1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we cut 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: through the noise to get to the heart of what 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: matters the biggest issues facing our country today. We've got 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Jennifer Say on the show. She is president and founder 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of xx x y Athletics. She's also a former Levi's executive. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: We found her on the show before she found herself 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: in a little bit of hot water, speaking out against 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: lockdowns and school closures. Well, now she's entered the fray again. 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: She's become a leading voice in the fight for fairness 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: in women's sports. That's the emphasis, the whole basis of 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: her company, XXXY, to keep men out of women's sports. 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: We'll talk about our companies dear Nike campaign which went viral, 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: obviously calling out Nike for not protecting women's sports, and 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: of course, as her background as an elite gymnast, we'll 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: talk to her about Simone Biles, who decided to go 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: after Riley Gains. I'm sure you guys all saw that 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: Twitter exchange. She called Riley a bully. Even you know, 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: criticized Riley's appearance. So why the hell is Simone Biles 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: getting involved in this? Why isn't she protecting women's sports. 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: As Jennifer out that and then from Minnesota to California, 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: we're seeing blue states across the country at odds with 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: the Trump administration doubling down on men and women's sports. 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: I'll get her take on that and so much more. 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for Jennifer Say, President and founder of 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: xx X Y Athletics. 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: Well, Jennifer Say, it's great to have you on. 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: I ran into you recently, which was great to see 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: you and see You're in my mind. So I was like, 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: I've got to get you on after the Simone Biles 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff going on. So I was like, 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: I've got to have you on the show. So I 32 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time. 33 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: Happy to be here. Thank you for having me. 34 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: So, you know, Jennifer, I had you on previously when 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: we were talking about you know, you took a stand 36 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: during COVID about school closures and you ended up, you know, 37 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: put your job in jeopardy as an executive Levi Strauss 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: and Company. You've now entered the fray again on another 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, controversial issue, which you know, really if you 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: think about either of these issues, they shouldn't be controversial. Yet, 41 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, here we are as a society. But you 42 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: started a clothing company focused on men and women's sports 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: and keeping men out of women's sports. But we're basically 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: just preserving women's sports for women. Wh I get involved 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: in this fight, I'm. 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: A glutton for punishment. 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Well we think, we think like so I respect it. 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, you skipped my first sort of 49 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: internet flogging, which was long time ago, at the beginning 50 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: of social media. In two thousand and eight, I was 51 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: actually the first former elite gymnast to speak out about 52 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 3: the abuse that happens in gymnastics. I was twenty years 53 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: out of the sport and still suffering from the you know, 54 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: emotional and physical abuse, and I wrote a book about 55 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: it called Choked Up. And you would think now in hindsight, 56 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: that people would have wanted to know about that, but 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: that certainly was not the response I got. And I 58 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: was harassed and bullied by all the sport governing bodies, 59 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: which it. 60 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: Relates to what I'm going to tell you. Now. 61 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: You know, these governing bodies they're not They are not 62 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: in it to protect the athletes. They never have been, 63 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: and they won't do the right thing unless their hand 64 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: is forced and I think we're seeing that now. And 65 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: you see the wide range of governing bodies, from the 66 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: US Olympic Committee to the individual sport governing bodies which 67 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: allow males to compete in women's sports, to the NCAA, 68 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: which has a really pathetic toothless policy in place. They 69 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: just won't they won't. They're they're sort of catering to 70 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: sponsors and sponsorship dollars, and you know, the loudest most, 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: the loudest bullies really, and the irony in this situation, 72 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: as far as you know women's sports is concerned, is 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: the loudest bullies are the minority, but they're effective bullies 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: and they keep the majority of the eighty percent silent. 75 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: And that's why I wanted to start. 76 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: The brand, because you know, I have a long history 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: of brand building twenty three years at Levi's. I was 78 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: a former elite athlete who's been out spoken and about 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 3: the protection and empowerment and female athletes. And I looked 80 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: around with all the other brands who claim to protect 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: women and claim to champion women, but they do nothing 82 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: of the sort. 83 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: They actually treat them with astonishing disregards. 84 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: So I figured, you know, I don't mind saying true 85 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: but controversial things. And I think a brand can help 86 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: make it cool to stand. 87 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Up and protect women. 88 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: So that's really my goal is to influence the culture, 89 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: because I think the legislation and the politics, you know, 90 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: are downstream from culture, but we've been losing the cultural battle. 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: So I want to contribute to turning that around. 92 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: So real quick, I want to set back to your 93 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: first entry into here, being a Glutton of punishment A 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: And you're talked up the autobiography because you also were 95 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: one of the producers of Athlete, a, a documentary on 96 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: about Larry Nasar, that that scandal at USA Gymnastics. It 97 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: won an Emmy for in twenty twenty four Outstanding Investigative Documentary. 98 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: But why would you be why would you get in 99 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: trouble for that? 100 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: Why is it second? 101 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, because this is a guy who was charged 102 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: with sexually assaulting at least two hundred and sixty five 103 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: young women and girls. This is someone who was sentenced 104 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: to sixty years in federal president This is someone who 105 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: pled guilty to possession of child pornography, who you know, 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: was then sentenced to an additional forty to one hundred 107 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: and seventy years in the Michigan Department of Corrections. I mean, 108 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: the list goes on. Yeah, this guy did to young 109 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: girls and women, So why the hell would that be 110 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: controversial for you stand out there, Well, you would. 111 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: Think that it wouldn't be Lisa. But this was two 112 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: thousand and eight. It was before the Me Too movement. 113 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: And to be clear, I didn't write about Nasar. I 114 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: didn't know Nassar. He started right when I was leaving 115 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 3: the sport as a quote unquote doctor for USA Gymnastics. 116 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: We overlapped by one year, but I never met him. 117 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: I wrote about the national team coach who took Team 118 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: USA to the Olympics in Los Angeles in nineteen eighty four, 119 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: who was a serial sexual creditor. He was a very 120 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: well respected coach. You weren't supposed to say these things. 121 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: And again I'm going to take you back. It was 122 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: before me Too. You weren't supposed to listen to women. 123 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: Certainly weren't supposed to listen to these little girls, which 124 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: you know, we were like little wind up, you know, 125 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: wind us up, go do the thing, keep your mouth shut, 126 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: be obedient. 127 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: You know. Further, the party. 128 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: Line about USA Gymnastics being you know, this factory of 129 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: happy little pixie gymnasts. 130 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: You weren't supposed to talk about it, and I talked 131 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: about it. 132 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: And you know what the reason I did it was 133 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: because I was suffering. Twenty years later, I was almost 134 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: forty years old and I was still struggling. I was 135 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: this successful person, I was a mom too kids, successful 136 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: in the corporate arena, and yet the fact that I'd 137 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: endured this intense physical and emotional abuse for over ten 138 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: years in the sport, I struggled with anxiety, depression, very 139 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 3: low self esteem. And you know, I really wrote the 140 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: book not to be a whistleblower, but to try to 141 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: make sense of it for myself and to try to 142 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: expose the issue to protect other young girls doing the sport. 143 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: I didn't want them to have to go through what 144 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,119 Speaker 3: I'd gone through. And it was a long haul because 145 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: right when I wrote the book, I mean, the wider community, 146 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: like regular people sort of read it and looked at 147 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: and said, yeah, that seems feasible that could be going 148 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: on in the sport. But the pr campaign against me 149 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: by the US Olympic Committee, USA Gymnastics, and you know, 150 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: my own teammates from both teams and. 151 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 2: My private club. 152 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: It's like, this is going to relate if we talk 153 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: about Simo. But you are you are You come up 154 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: in the sport to be seen and not heard. You 155 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: must be obedient. It's a it's a subjective sport. If 156 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: you if you are disobedient, you won't make the team, 157 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: You'll get kicked off. I you know, all of these 158 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: girls who grew up to become women, they were still 159 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: sort of seeking the. 160 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: Approval of their abusers, of their coaches, and. 161 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: So I was, you know, threatening to expose the reality 162 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: of sport, and they didn't want any part of it. 163 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 2: But I think about this a lot. 164 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: If they had, If USA Gymnastics had investigated my claims 165 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: in the book, and I talked a lot about my 166 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: personal coaches who abused in plain sight on the competition floor, 167 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: if they had investigated those claims instead of villain I, 168 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: you know, villifying me, hundreds of victims would have been saved. 169 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: Over one hundred Naser victims would have been saved. 170 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: But they were already covering up his abuse at that time. 171 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: And so that is one of the things I thought about. 172 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: I was like, they're going so hard after me, they 173 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: have something even bigger they're hiding. I didn't know it 174 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 3: was Naser, but I tell you the Donna Peters story. 175 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: He was the Olympic team coach I spoke about that 176 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: was that kind of rock the gymnastics world. He's now 177 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: banned from the sport. 178 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: I mean, he raked Olympic level athletes. 179 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: We've got more with Jennifer, but first folks were saying 180 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: something truly disturbing. Anti Semitism is on the rise around 181 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: the world, and sadly right here in America, schools being targeted, 182 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: synagogues threatened, families living in fear. It's something we hoped 183 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: we never see again in our lifetime. 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Is it I f 201 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: TJ dot org or called a eight four a eight 202 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: I s c J. Now did you get any apologies 203 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: when the NASAR stuff came out? 204 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: Now? What happened? 205 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: And you know you don't find this sort of amusing 206 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: is a lot Well, first of all, you know a 207 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: lot of when when the NASA story was being broken, 208 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 3: it was really not well known athletes that were doing it. 209 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: It wasn't the simobiles and the alley raisements of the world, 210 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 3: and they were just dragged across the internet. I mean, 211 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: these young women. 212 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: I watched it. I'm fuld on social media. 213 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: I knew it was coming because I've been speaking with 214 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: the journalists who were breaking the story and they you know, 215 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 3: all the typical tropes you hear, the accusations of sexual 216 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: assault survivor. You know, she was a slut, it was 217 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: what what was she wearing? Kind of criticism. You know, 218 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 3: these are not reliable narrators, These are terrible women. She 219 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: wasn't a good gymnast, like all this stupid stuff. And 220 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: then within a week or two weeks there were fifty 221 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: credible claims and it kept growing, so then it became 222 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: too big to ignore. But a lot of the young 223 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: women who supported that you didn't even know who I 224 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: was from ten years earlier. But the ones who had 225 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: really tried to kind of take me down for saying 226 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: they just pretended overnight they'd always supported me. I mean, 227 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 3: it was just like total amnesia, no apologies. 228 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: That kind of leads us too. Oh my god, Simone Biles, 229 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm you know, need more coffee. But anyways kind of 230 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: gets to her, you know, with this latest attack against 231 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: Riley Gaines, who we all know and I know you know, 232 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: and she's been a part of your company as well 233 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: and protecting women's sports, and so she went after Riley 234 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: even made it personal, like basically said she looked like 235 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: a dude. Yeah, called her a bully for trying to 236 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: stand up for women, you know, so that basically we 237 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: should be standing up for these men and women's sports. 238 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: Why do you think she decided to attack Riley and like, 239 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, why not protect women's sports. 240 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a conundrum. I gotta say, No one can 241 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: figure it out. She doesn't really post on Twitter much 242 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: and yet she went on his chair against Riley. 243 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: It's unusual. 244 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: A lot of people are speculating it wasn't her, but 245 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: at this point she's not disavaliant. In fact, she's retweeted herself. 246 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: So I think she stands by it. You know, I 247 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: would go back to the mindset of a young gymnast, 248 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 3: which is that of an approval seeker. And I think 249 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 3: in her circles this you know, in ours, she got dragged, 250 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: but in her own circle, I think she's gotten tons 251 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: of you know, applause. If you look in you know, 252 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: gymnastics circles, people are cheering for her and they're hoping 253 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: she does me next. So, you know, I think it 254 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 3: was an approval seeking tactic, and I think she didn't 255 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 3: think about it much. 256 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: I think it was impetuous and I. 257 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: Think she everyone she knows agrees with her, and so 258 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: she was probably surprised by the backlash. 259 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: I think what'sonic. 260 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: There's several things ironic about it is, you know, she's 261 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: been this champion of body positivity and yet, as you mentioned, 262 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: she body shamed Riley for looking manly because she's muscular, 263 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: which is, you know, absurd. Who's more muscular than Amone Biles. 264 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 3: Riley is a totally normal sized woman for an actual woman. 265 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: She's small as a swimmer. So that was just ridiculous 266 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: and mean spirited. I mean, the whole thing was me 267 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: and spirited, mean spirited. 268 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: It's also at odds with the brand that she represents, Athleta, 269 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: whose tagline is the Power of She and all they 270 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: do is talk about empowering women and body positivity. So, 271 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 3: you know, direct conflict with Athleta. 272 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: It just it's puzzling. She could have said nothing. 273 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 3: But it also showed very little understanding of the conflict 274 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: within this you know movement, because she suggested that Riley 275 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: advocate for a third category the quote unquote trans advocates 276 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: the trans people. They don't want a third category. They've 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: rejected it. USA Swimming tried it, no one signed up. 278 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: They insist on being validated as actual women. They insist 279 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: on invading our sports in our spaces, So her recommendation 280 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: is actually considered quote unquote transphobic. 281 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: By the activist class. So you know, her post also 282 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: showed that she doesn't. 283 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: Really know very much about this debate and this conflict, 284 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: which Riley obviously doesn't and I do as well. So 285 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: the whole thing was just it was like an unprovoked, 286 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: unforced error. She didn't need to say anything. I mean, 287 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: I wish she'd say something and she'd be on our side. 288 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: And you know, people have dug up all tweets at 289 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: this point showing that she does actually understand that men 290 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: and women are different. 291 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: And I know people in. 292 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: Her circle that know her who are scratching their heads 293 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: about this as well. 294 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: Is she tweet out pro I think it was like 295 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen or something, some tweet about how like good 296 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: thing men don't play against us, we would lose our 297 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, So it's like, clearly she's just like we'd 298 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: lose all over metal. So clearly, you know, she understands 299 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: that men and women are built differently. To your point, 300 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: and I get your point, and I think it's a 301 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: good one that maybe in her you know, immediate circle, 302 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: like it's a pat on the back, you know, like 303 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: you're so brave whatever, whatever. But that being said, bigger picture, 304 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: with the majority of Americans, they're with us on this issue. 305 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: And even if you look at liberal states like California, 306 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: there was a twenty twenty five pole by the non 307 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: partisan Public Policy Institute of California finding that found that 308 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: sixty five percent of likely Californy voters support requiring athletes 309 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: to compete based off of their biological sex rather than gender. 310 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: And this is a liberal state of California where sixty 311 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: five percent of voters agree with what we're talking about. 312 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: And obviously California has you know, been a point of 313 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: controversy with Aby Hernandez, a sixteen year old man competing 314 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: in track and field, the spark title my investigation by 315 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, you know, et cetera, et cetera. 316 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: But like she's going against an issue where even in 317 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: liberal states the majority of Americans are on her side. 318 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: She is I doubt she knew that going in, Like 319 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: I said, she clearly was not well burst in the 320 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: issue and the sort of you know, the conflict and 321 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: the data, I mean. 322 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: I don't think she knew any of it. 323 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: She just it was a very impetuous thing to curry 324 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: favor with her fans, and she got it from her brands. 325 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: There's a lot of you know, go girl type clapping 326 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: from her fans. I just don't think she anticipated or 327 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: even knew that the vast majority of Americans agree with us. 328 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: She had no idea. I don't think she's I mean, 329 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 2: I'm not. 330 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: Look, you grew up an athlete and you're training five, six, 331 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: seven hours a day. 332 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: You're not reading the newspaper. I just don't think. 333 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: She's probably well versed in the issue at all. She 334 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: clearly isn't, and I don't think she anticipated it. 335 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: It was it was a dumb move. And I will 336 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: say this one other thing. 337 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: I will say, though, despite the fact that eighty percent 338 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: of Americans agree with us, it's you know, close to 339 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: seventy percent of even Democrats, it doesn't feel like it 340 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: at least that when you're out here talking about it, 341 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: because the vast majority are still silent because of how 342 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: punitive the minority is and how bullying they are. And 343 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: you know, the other side kind of owns the legacy 344 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: media and they own the major institutions, and they own 345 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: the sport governing bodies and the universities. 346 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: And so it's easy to think. 347 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: That our position is the minority position, and when it 348 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: is not. Because so many people don't say anything. 349 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: You've got to take a quick break. More at Jennifer 350 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: on the other side. One thing that frustrates me is like, 351 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: there's a danger here, right. We've already seen athletes get injured. 352 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: We just saw Peyton McNabb, who attended President Trump's joint 353 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: address to Congress, who suffered major injuries, injuries as a 354 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: volleyball player. We saw, you know, a Massachusetts player had 355 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: her teeth knocked out. A field hockey player had her 356 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: teeth knocked out. I mean, I played field hockey, lacrosse 357 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: in high school. You know, I was on the Olympic 358 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: development program for field hockey, and I mean I've been 359 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: hitting the hall the head before the field hockey bault. 360 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: One time it knocked me to my knees. That's how 361 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: hard I got hit. So I can't imagine at you know, 362 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: any sort of increased force at the hands of a man. 363 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: So I think one thing that frustrates me is like, 364 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: there's no not as much conversation about the danger and 365 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: putting men out there, you know, or even you look 366 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: at this Champlain Park, you know, winning the Minnesota State 367 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: High school softball championship with a male pitcher. I mean 368 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: like if he hit a woman, that's going to do 369 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: a lot more damage than if you get hit by 370 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, another woman. So I mean, what do you 371 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: make about that in terms of just inherent danger that 372 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: this is presenting women? 373 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. 374 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: There's absolutely danger, not just in full uh you know, 375 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: in combat sports, which is ridiculous. You know, like we 376 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 3: saw at the Olympics over the summer with a monic leef. 377 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 3: You know, results of that sexcess thing have now been 378 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: made public. He is, in fact a man, as we 379 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: knew all along that he's not trans I understand that. 380 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: But the same issue as at play, and then a 381 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 3: male was competing on. 382 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: The biggest stage. 383 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 3: In sports, and so the championship the gold model from 384 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: a woman. That's incredibly dangerous obviously in a combat sport. 385 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: And then you have contact sports like what you're describing, 386 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: whether it's you know, volleyball, even soccer is high contact basketball, 387 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 3: it is incredibly danger Durissmen are bigger and stronger, and 388 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: I really am terrified that. 389 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: What is going to end this or put us on 390 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: a different. 391 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: Path at least is a very serious injury to a woman. Now, 392 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: these injuries are brushed off, you know, they even brush 393 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: off Peyton's injury, which is a permanent. 394 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: Brain damage. I mean, she cannot participate in sports in college, 395 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: she has trouble with memory, she has all kinds of 396 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: cognitive challenges that she didn't have before the injury. But 397 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: of course they brush it off as well. Sports are dangerous. 398 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: They are dangerous, but we have. 399 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: An obligation, the governing bodies have an obligation to make 400 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: them as safe as is possible because there is already 401 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: inherent danger. And I'll tell you a brief story. I 402 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: competed on the world stage. I was at World Championships 403 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five and I broke my femur. And 404 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 3: there was a rule at the time that a coach 405 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: could not be on the podium when you know, quote 406 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: unquote spot an athlete, you know, in case if. 407 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: They fell, et cetera. They changed the rule just days 408 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: after my injury. 409 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 3: Because you know, while I would have still fallen, I 410 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: wouldn't have had this devastating. 411 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: Injury, breaking my femur in half. 412 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: So it's the governing body's obligation to make the sports 413 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: as safe as is possible, and they're. 414 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: Not doing that. 415 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: I don't understand why it's not more of a focus. 416 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 3: But I don't understand why more people aren't just standing 417 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: up and saying this is ridiculous. I mean, the fact 418 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: is the eighty percent stood up. 419 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: It would change now. 420 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: The fact is if Nike said something and they Wade 421 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: and the biggest name in sports, bigger than the NFL 422 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: and the NBA, if they said, you know what, it's 423 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 3: not fair. Women deserve their own sports, it would be 424 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 3: over tomorrow. 425 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: You took on Nike in an ad with xxx Y 426 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: Dear Nike campaign. Why'd you decide to take on Nike? 427 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: And what was the reaction to that? 428 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: That's been I think our most viral ad to date, 429 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: or at least the second most viral. The reason I 430 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: did is because I think they are the epitome of 431 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: woke capitalism. The hypocrisy, furthered by this brands is astonishing 432 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 3: to me. They pretend to champion women and empower female athletes, 433 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: and they treat them with such this regard and those 434 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 3: have been very public instances, and they treat their own female. 435 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: Employees with terrible disregard as well. 436 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: There was a scandal about the way female executives have 437 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: been harassed. 438 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 2: There was the Alison Felix scandal. 439 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 3: And then the Mary Caine scandal, who was a young 440 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: runner in their running program who was abused mentally and 441 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: physically to the point of suicidality. And of course Alison Felix, 442 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 3: her contract was not renewed when when she became pregnant 443 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: and she was you know, world champion, Olympic champion runner. 444 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 3: So I just it just rankles me that they can 445 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: make money off of pretending to champion women while putting 446 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 3: Dylan mulvaney another instance, you know, in a running bra 447 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 3: a non athlete with no boobs. 448 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: To market their products. 449 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 3: They just they treat women terribly, and yet the public 450 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: seems to buy this idea that they empower women. And 451 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: I wanted to expose that and the response was fantastic. 452 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we generated with no paid media, 453 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: close to twenty million views. 454 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: That is amazing and obviously, you know, great attention to 455 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: your brand and then also more importantly to the broader 456 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: issue of protecting women's sports. Before we go, what do 457 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: you hope to accomplish with. 458 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: Your company? Well, it's two both. 459 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I want to influence this conversation. I want 460 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: to make it cool to stand up and say men 461 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: and women are different, and women deserve their own sports 462 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: and spaces. I also want to empower female athletes. I 463 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: want us to be the only brand that actually does 464 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: it and doesn't just pretend to do it. 465 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: But in order to be. 466 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: An effective advocate, I need to be financially successful as well. 467 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: And I need to make amazing product and I need 468 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: people to want to wear it and buy it and 469 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: be part of that grassroots movement. So you know, I 470 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: want to empower female athletes and build a very successful, 471 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 3: profitable business. 472 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: Both of those things. 473 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like you're on your way already, Jennifer Say. 474 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: It was great to run into you recently and also 475 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: just great to have you on the show. I appreciate 476 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: your time, appreciate what you're doing. 477 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Lisa, thanks for having me those. 478 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer Say, founder and president of xx x Y. We 479 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it for coming on the show. Appreciate you guys 480 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: at home for listening. Every Tuesday and Thursday, but you 481 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week until next time.