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Speaker 2: To surbey me? Welcome to? I said, no gift, signed

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Speaker 2: Bridger Wineinger. We're in the backyard. What's going on? It's

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Speaker 2: out of what happened this morning? Well, I ordered a

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Speaker 2: now that I'm saying twenty six pieces allowed, That sounds

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Speaker 2: four pieces the bigger thing. I eventually I thought, I

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Speaker 2: I want. So look forward to future discussions about my

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Speaker 2: food storage. Let's get into the podcast. I adore today's guest.

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Speaker 2: He's so funny. It's Chris Parnell.

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Speaker 3: Chris.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to.

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Speaker 3: I said, no gift, Thanks Bridger, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Of course. How are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty well. And if you want to talk

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Speaker 3: about your food storage containers, I'm perfectly open with that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how much food storage in the fridge freezer

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Speaker 3: We do a decent amount, not tons, but usually there'll

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Speaker 3: that will go towards my older son's lunch the next day.

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, he's taking like a pasta lunch to school.

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Speaker 2: The shape is always you're mixing it up. I like

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Speaker 2: I just feel horrible. I feel horrible the entire flight.

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Speaker 3: I am reading Project Hail Mary.

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Speaker 3: It's a science fiction?

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Speaker 3: Well, or go see one in person. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 2: To And maybe your therapist has this in their back

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Speaker 2: ZocDoc is and I haven't used it in probably a

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Speaker 2: Right, And you may not have the personality or the

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Speaker 3: I can defend themselves and hypnotist I.

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Speaker 2: Will absolutely just rail on that.

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Speaker 3: You will tear them apart.

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Speaker 2: Watch out, hypnotists. If you get an invitation to this show,

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Speaker 2: it may lead to something else. But Chris, the other day, well,

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Speaker 2: look I've been looking forward to you bang on this Podcas. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I thought we'll have a nice time. Yeah, we'll discuss hypnotism,

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Speaker 2: what have you. And so I was a little surprised

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Speaker 2: other day I opened the door. There's a box waiting

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Speaker 2: I go over everything I've done on the internet recently.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't ordered my twenty six piece glassware set. There

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Speaker 3: A box there.

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Speaker 2: But I picked it up. I opened it and there

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I started piecing it together. I thought, oh,

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Speaker 2: Of course, then I start getting angrier and angrier. Blood

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Speaker 2: but I've had some time. It was a few days ago.

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Speaker 3: Ah? Yeah, it's a gift. I'm so sorry. I really apologized.

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Speaker 3: I just I didn't think you meant it when you

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Speaker 2: But who knows what'll happen if I open it? Should

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Speaker 3: I mean I think you probably should, But you know,

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Speaker 2: It's this cute little gray bag, and there is a

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Speaker 2: sorry Bridger, but I just couldn't follow the overly restrictive

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Speaker 2: find these useful from Chris Parnell interesting. Okay, so let's

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Speaker 2: dipe in that. Apparently these tells me there's more than

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Speaker 2: one thing in here. Oh, Honor Lisa is going to

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Speaker 2: hold the mic for me, bless your heart. Let's see

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Speaker 2: these bags continue to mystify me. How do you open?

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Speaker 3: You're almost there. There we go.

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Speaker 2: It's got like a spring mechanism. There's some tissue, some more. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're pulling it out. We're pulling it out. Multi Wait,

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Speaker 3: They are? They are shims.

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Speaker 2: What is a shim?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's something you use in construction carpentry. I think,

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, it was putting together a bookshelf for

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Speaker 3: Used a screwdriver. I've even got I've got a drill. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I've got a hammer drill.

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Speaker 3: A hammer drill is for going into very hard material

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Speaker 2: That's such a rarity.

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00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 3: I know, it was real.

441
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 2: No one has a basement in Los Angeles.

442
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: We yeah, it is a very rare thing. It was

443
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: a one story house, so it was nice to have

444
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: that little place for storage and our laundry.

445
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea why there are basements in

446
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: Is it California in general? I think it is.

447
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Do you mean some people have them,

448
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: because I've heard people say, yeah, we had a basement, but.

449
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: It's so rare.

450
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 3: It is definitely rare.

451
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: Like I growing up in Utah, everyone had a basement.

452
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh really, you're from Tennessee. Yeah, for their basements in Tennessee.

453
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 3: I didn't have any friends that had them. We never

454
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: had one.

455
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, So maybe I grew up in a basement

456
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: rich area compared to the rest of the country. Perhaps,

457
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: but it's it does seem like a commonplace thing for

458
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: a house. My guess with California is something to do

459
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: with earthquakes. Yeah, yeah, you don't want a big hole

460
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: under the house when it starts shaking. Maybe has something

461
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: to do with it.

462
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 3: That's a good guess.

463
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 2: But you've since moved on from a basement type home, yes,

464
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: And you are installing child.

465
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: Gates a long time ago.

466
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: A long time ago, you turned this into your little business,

467
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: kind of a side hustle, putting in child gates and

468
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: people's homes. So it seems like you do the occasional

469
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: project when one pops up. You're capable. I'm capable for me,

470
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: simply not. And you came over and I told you

471
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: earlier that the listener's probably furious to hear about this

472
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: because I have been talking about it NonStop. I've had

473
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: a flooding situation, and I, as a person, have nothing

474
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: to do to stop it except for just let the

475
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: water come in. But it has driven me now to

476
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: a point of it's almost compulsive for me. I go

477
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 2: back there every day and look for something to try

478
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: to fix it. While we're waiting for the professionals to come,

479
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: I'm drilling holes in walls. I'm cutting out pieces up

480
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: the drywall to no real end.

481
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: It's but you're doing it. That's handy.

482
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not handy. I feel like I'm just

483
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: creating more projects.

484
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like the drywall is going to have

485
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: to come out either way, right, so you're just moving

486
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: the I say this so long with four.

487
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: By four inch holes, I mean I am dreading mold.

488
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's a legitimate concer.

489
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: A mold situation could be really frightening.

490
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

491
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how serious mold affects you. I don't know.

492
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 3: I think it depends on how bad it is, you know, Right,

493
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: But it sounds like you've been proactive in terms of

494
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: sort of sort of releasing or opening up spaces that

495
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: might promote the growth of mold, right, right.

496
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: Have you ever had any type of water damage situation?

497
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we had we had a little bit

498
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 3: of a leak at our last house. Not terrible, but yeah,

499
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 3: we had to call a roofer out and fix that up. Okay,

500
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 3: that's something that was not something I was gonna try

501
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 3: on my own.

502
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's certainly like the well, I

503
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: guess there's probably a YouTube tutorial, but yeah, that's something

504
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: you really can't do unless you know exactly where the

505
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: spot is. And blah blah blah. But these shims, how

506
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 2: did they cross your mind?

507
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: You know? I was just looking online and I wanted

508
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: I was looking for something practical and not too expensive,

509
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: and you know, in the industrial tool section of this

510
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: particular website, I came across these and thought that's perfect.

511
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: And when you saw shims on the website, did you think, oh,

512
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 2: I know what that is or what is that?

513
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: I knew what it was. I did look up specifically

514
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: what they tended to be used for, and I was right.

515
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: I thought I knew, but I wanted to be able

516
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: to speak about it somewhat articulately, because I knew you'd

517
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 3: want me to tell you what they're.

518
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: Going for, right, right? So I wonder, do I just

519
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: leave these in my garage for a potential project? Do

520
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: I look around the house for a window that could

521
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: use some help.

522
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: You know. I think you have to be realistic with yourself.

523
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know if you were a handy kind of

524
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: guy around the house and would take on that kind

525
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: of a project. Sounds like you're not. And in that case,

526
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: you might want to give them away to someone or

527
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: take it out of the closet or something.

528
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: It'll be an interesting thing to drop off at a

529
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: thrift store. I don't quite uh, I don't know what

530
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: thrift stores turn away. I feel like they must turn

531
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: away some items.

532
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: Oh they do, they do. It's it's it's they're very

533
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: much more restrictive now.

534
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: I think, like, have you tried turning something in and

535
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: they've said no?

536
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know. I think the at least the one

537
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: that I go to in Outwater Village won't take electronics.

538
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: What Yeah, what's their their reasoning?

539
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: I think because there's a chance that it's just not

540
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 3: going to work and they don't want to deal with

541
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: testing it, you know, and then having somebody buy it

542
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: and then say this doesn't work.

543
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: Well, that feels like a gold mine.

544
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I guess most of the

545
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: electronics people are going to take in there are probably

546
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: maybe it's a TV or an old printer, and you

547
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 3: know who's who's gonna want?

548
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah I don't. I usually don't

549
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: get rid of electronics unless they're completely malfunctioning. Right, But

550
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: what about the hobbyists that go to the thrift stores

551
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: to fix the TVs? The and where are we supposed

552
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 2: to take them to the dump?

553
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: You know, I think you have to take to figure

554
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: out who's going to recycle them. You know, you have

555
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: to go to an electronics recycling I think best Buy

556
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 3: will take some of that stuff.

557
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: Oh is that true? I think so have a big bin.

558
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: You can just toss it in.

559
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 3: At least they used to. I don't think you can

560
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: take a plasma in or something like that. But it's

561
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: just too big.

562
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Well, I would encourage the listener to try load your

563
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: load the big TV in your car and drive however

564
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: long it takes to get to best Buy, drag it

565
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: through the parking lot and see what they say. You know,

566
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: you never know what's going to happen. And at the

567
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: very least it's a little experience at best Buy.

568
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it's they're quite heavy. I realize.

569
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't say it would be easy. No, definitely

570
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: would be an experience, and life is built on these

571
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: types of experiences, taking broken electronics to big box retailers,

572
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: this kind of thing. I worked at a best Buy

573
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three. Yeah, fascinating experience.

574
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: No. No, it was.

575
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: Standing behind a cash register trying to get people to

576
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: try entertainment weekly for six weeks. Trials of that sort

577
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: of thing. Trying to get people to buy a warranty

578
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: on a nine dollars CD.

579
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: Player add ons. You're trying to right, You're.

580
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Just trying to get as much money out of their

581
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: wallets as you possibly can. And I didn't. I just,

582
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, kind of backed away from the sales pressure

583
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: most of.

584
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 3: The time would have been the same way.

585
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: What am I getting out of it? Did you have

586
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: any memorable part time jobs?

587
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did. I had a few. I'm reminded of

588
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 3: a sales job that I had at a place called

589
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: Mid South Savings. I don't think it's probably around anymore.

590
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 3: But the point, the idea of it was that if

591
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: you bought a membership to this place, you could then

592
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: shop directly from these catalogs like getting and get wholesale prices. Okay,

593
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: so we had all these catalogs in there in this

594
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: one room that you could go into, if you'll remember.

595
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: So we'd basically take people around and sort of say

596
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: this is what you'd pay retail, this is what you'd

597
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: pay with us for this pool table, you know, and

598
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: it was like a thousand dollars membership, but if you

599
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: did my COUD you could pay in installments, but if

600
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: you bought it all at once, it was like two

601
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: hundred dollars off. And I think they got people in

602
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: they had I had a call center in back, which

603
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: I had originally applied to be in the call center,

604
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: but when the sales manager met me, so I know,

605
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: I think can use you on the floor here. So

606
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, sure, But I think people would

607
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 3: get called and say, do you you've won either a

608
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: VCR a free cruise, which of course was a timeshare, right,

609
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: But I remember one couple like sort of like we thought,

610
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: you know, we thought we wanted VCR here, we thought

611
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: we won a real thing, and I just had to apologize,

612
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: like I'm so sorry, I'm sorry.

613
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like you would run to the occasional

614
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: blow up from somebody that feels like their time has

615
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: been wasted.

616
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: Like I never got a blow okay, thankfully.

617
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the you've inconvenienced me, how dare you?

618
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Mostly mostly people are just like okay, I mean,

619
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: but you know, I got some people to sign up.

620
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: I definitely got okay, some sign signer uppers.

621
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to visualize this place. It's basically a

622
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: catalog library.

623
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like it was like a large office

624
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: with little separate offices on the side for each salesperson okay,

625
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: and there were sort of things on display that you

626
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: could show them and you know the difference between retail

627
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: versus wholesale pricing. And then yes, there was another room

628
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: with a bunch of catalogs in them.

629
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: This is such a fascinating business that can't possibly still exist.

630
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

631
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of a costco of catalogs. Essentially, you're paying

632
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: for the membership, although you don't pay a thousand dollars

633
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: to go to Costco. No, I feel like that's fifty

634
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: dollars or something.

635
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: Well, and it was also before the internet was as robotic ight, right.

636
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: Interesting. I've been to one of those timeshare presentations before,

637
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: which led to nothing free, big waste of time some

638
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: years and years ago, but it again kind of in

639
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: the realm of dragging your TV into Best Buy. It

640
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: was an experience getting to watch the videos about the

641
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: time shares and then the deep pressure the salespeople put

642
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: on you. I was going to say, how hard was

643
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: the cell oh inescapable? It's really one of those things

644
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: where they are not They will not let you go

645
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: until you basically are begging them to leave. Wow. And

646
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: at the time, I was probably eighteen or nineteen, I

647
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: can't imagine the salesperson like they're wasting their own time.

648
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: This is a child. How much money do you think

649
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: this person's willing to be able to offer you for the.

650
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: Maybe they think you came for money.

651
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe this little rich boy has shown up to

652
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: buy his time.

653
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: You get mom and dad to say, Mommy, I want

654
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: to time.

655
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: I wonder what the youngest timeshare owner is. I feel

656
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: like you've got to be hit your fifties before you

657
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: consider buying a time share.

658
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. I don't know. You know, I

659
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: knew a friend of a friend who I could call

660
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: a friend. I don't I'm not in touch with him now,

661
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: but he had a thing I guess it was a

662
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: timeshare esque but it was belonging to this organization where

663
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: you would get hotel rooms. You would get a stay

664
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: at this hotel and it can kind of move around you.

665
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: You had some ability to pick where it was okay.

666
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: So I got to go luckily on a few of

667
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: these trips. One was to Aruba. Oh, another one was

668
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: to I've forgotten the name of French island. But they

669
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: were lovely. It was fun.

670
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: You know, we scuba dot or well we snorkeled snorkel right. Yeah,

671
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: I think that's the secret with timeshares. You've just got

672
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: to find someone else in your life that has been

673
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: tricked and then you don't don't have like the lifelong obligation.

674
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: They have to use it, so they're like, well I

675
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: have to do it, you might as well come right.

676
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: But that is the other thing that I remember from

677
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: that timeshare presentation. It was truly like decades of your

678
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: life had to be the money had to be spent on.

679
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: It's like buying a home was really fascinating. How do

680
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: you do it in a sales situation when the salesperson's

681
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: after you?

682
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: How do I deal with that? Yeah? I try to

683
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: not get in those situations.

684
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: But you never know where they're going to come from.

685
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: You know. If I so rarely shop in person anymore, oh, right,

686
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: And if I do and I sense that a salesperson

687
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: has headed my way, I try to be nice but

688
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: also just not look at them, not give them any

689
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: indication that I want to interact with them. But sometimes

690
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: it can't be avoided, and I'll usually say I'm okay,

691
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, thank you.

692
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: Oh, so you're able to set up a boundary.

693
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: I try to.

694
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to avoid the situation because I can't

695
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: say no to anyone. Yeah, and then until the very

696
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: last minute, so they feel like they've got me on

697
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: the hook. They spend a lot of time with me,

698
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: and then I finally have to bail, and they're furious

699
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: that they wasted all this time on me.

700
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: Right. That's why I don't do it, because I would. Yeah,

701
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: I fear the same sort of reaction.

702
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: Right, But I guess that's their fault. They need a

703
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: salesperson's intuition to pick me out from a crowd. Well,

704
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: I think it's probably time to play a game. Okay,

705
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: I think we'll play a game called Gift or a Curse.

706
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: I need a number between Queen one and ten from

707
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: you seven. Okay, I have to do some light calculating

708
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: to get our game pieces. So right now you can

709
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: recommend something, promote something, talk to the listener in whatever

710
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: way you want.

711
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I do a podcast call. This job is

712
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: history also for Wondery, where we interview people from the past,

713
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: played by comic improv actors, usually about a job they

714
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: had that no longer exists, like a telephone operator, for instance.

715
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: Or one of the particularly surprising ones was a funeral clown,

716
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: which was a thing in ancient Greece or Rome where

717
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 3: they would someone would impersonate the person who had died

718
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: and it was a way of sort of paying homage

719
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: to them. But a very strange combination of things funeral

720
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: and clown. But yeah, it's a fun show to do.

721
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: And I and my producer Linda, we interview these people and.

722
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: That sounds incredible. Yeah, And who's doing Who's finding the jobs?

723
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: You know? It is the fantastic writing staff.

724
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: Wondering, Uh, you said a funeral clown.

725
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: Funeral clown?

726
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: Is that your favorite you've done so far.

727
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: In terms of just yeah, sort of the jarring juxtaposition

728
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: of those two ideas. Yes, I think so.

729
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you weren't didn't have the career you currently do.

730
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: Uh was there any like a childhood dream job other

731
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: than comedy, Well.

732
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: You know, I went. I like, at one point I

733
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: thought architecture was really cool. I mean, I still do,

734
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: but I thought about pursuing that and entomology and those

735
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 3: kind of things. When I was in high school, I

736
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: did take computer programming and I did seriously think of

737
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: that as a Okay, so it was kind of that

738
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: or acting because I was doing the plays and stuff

739
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: in my school, and I chose correctly, I think, because

740
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: I don't know that I have the feelings. It's worked

741
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: out so far, it's worked out all right. Well, enough

742
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 3: about you and your jobs. We've got a play a

743
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: gift to a curse. This is how we play. I'm

744
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: going to name three things.

745
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: You're going to tell me if there're a gift or

746
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: a curse and why, and then I'll tell you if

747
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: you're correct or not. There are correct answers. You can

748
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: lose the game, you can win the game. Okay, you

749
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: can have a middling performance at the game. It's up

750
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: really up to you.

751
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: And is this something that is that I perceive as

752
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: a gift or a curse, or that I think you would.

753
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: Well that I'm not going to reveal that. I just

754
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: want you to a gut reaction. However you feel like

755
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: playing the game, tell me if it's a gift or

756
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: a cursor why? I mean, probably your opinion, let's be honest. Okay,

757
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: This first one is a listener suggestion from someone named Roy.

758
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: Roy suggested gift or a curse? Commercials for a TV

759
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: show while you are watching that very show.

760
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: That's a curse. That's definitely a curse. Why Because it's

761
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: pointless if I'm taken the time to watch the show,

762
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: I don't need to see a commercial about the thing

763
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm watching. Bridger, come on, good.

764
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: Lord, Chris wrong. I love it. If I'm going to

765
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: be advertised to why not have a little extra boost

766
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: of this show in between? Or maybe we go to

767
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: commercial break and I forget the show I was watching.

768
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: It's a nice little reminder.

769
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: Do you have memory issues?

770
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: Not yet, but should the time come, these commercials will

771
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: be there waiting for me.

772
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: Fair enough.

773
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: It's also kind of a, you know, a fun little

774
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: surprise to say, oh, the app isn't working, the company

775
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: is falling apart, and they're advertising to me and they

776
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: already have me on the hook.

777
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: Oh gives you a position to judge from.

778
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I get to kind of be the critic for

779
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: a and I think that that's terrific. It's certainly a gift.

780
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear how wrong you were. Yeah, well, okay,

781
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: next one I don't. Next up is from my listener

782
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: named Brad, and Brad suggested gift to a curse in

783
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: visi line.

784
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 3: In visi line, I think I think that's probably a gift. Yeah. Why, well,

785
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: if you need your teeth aligned, probably less obtrusive and

786
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: less noticeable to do it that way as opposed to

787
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: conventional braces. Right, what do you think? I'm guessing I'm wrong.

788
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you're wrong. Okay, and I'm not doing this on purposely.

789
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: You're wrong invisil ligne. I see its benefits. I'm glad

790
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: it's helping people out. I wish it had been available

791
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: when I had braces. I don't think you should be

792
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: able to get in visile line until you're out of

793
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: high school. I think everyone else should have to be

794
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: dragged through traditional braces. Of course, with adults, let's get

795
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: the invisile line. Going an adult in braces we all

796
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: know is a different thing. Yeah, so the invisile line

797
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: is there to save the day. But unfortunately it's a

798
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: curse because it wasn't available to me, I say, and

799
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: that's a huge problem for everyone.

800
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: Right, you just can't see it as a benefit for others.

801
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 3: You can't.

802
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: It's all about you, basically. I mean, that's really what

803
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: it boils down.

804
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: To know yourself. That's that's something.

805
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: Uh, in visiline reach out. I'd like to have a

806
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: conversation with you. Okay, and now finally, Okay, so zero

807
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: so far, not a great performance, Okay, but you're trying,

808
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: and that's all we can ask for.

809
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm doing the best thing.

810
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: Uh. Finally, Lizzy. A listener named Lizzie has written in

811
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: and suggested gift to a curse preventative botox.

812
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 3: Preventative botox as opposed to non preventative. But I believe.

813
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: Basically what Lizzie's suggesting is you're getting it probably starting

814
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: in your twenties, and so your face is always botox.

815
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a curse. I'm going to count

816
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: that as a curse. Why, well, it seems unnecessary when

817
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: you're when you're young and relatively fresh faced, Why are

818
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: you going to prevent wrinkles that aren't even there yet?

819
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: And why do you want to go ahead and deaden

820
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: your face, you know, limit your ability to express yourself facially, right,

821
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 3: you know, I would say curse.

822
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: You get the point. I think it's a curse, and

823
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: it kind of goes along with this braces thing I'm

824
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: talking about. I don't think you need it as a

825
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: young person. I think you you should wait till you're

826
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: sixty and then get way too much and make it

827
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: very It should be very obvious. I don't think it

828
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: should be a slow boil. It should be Yeah, everybody knows,

829
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: and it's not working for you. Doing it ahead of

830
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: time as an absolute curse. Nobody should be allowed to

831
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: do that. You should have to get a license at sixty,

832
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: take a course, take your license down to whatever. Where

833
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: do you get botox? The Bowtox Center dermatologists dermatologists. Yeah,

834
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: that's probably the most professional thing, probably place you can

835
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: get it.

836
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: I got a facial not long ago. Oh I not

837
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: a facial chemical peel. That's what I got.

838
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: Was this your first time?

839
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: It was my first chemical pill.

840
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'm curious about that experience. What is it

841
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: and how did it feel and what were the results.

842
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: The results I think are good. It definitely made my

843
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: skin look better. But you know, you lie there and

844
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: they put acid on your face in patches. They started

845
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: with my forehead and then you give a pain scale.

846
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: Is like when when you get up to like eight

847
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: out of ten, then they they dab it off with

848
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 3: cold water and then they move on to a different

849
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: part of your face. At least this is how my

850
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: dermatologist did it.

851
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: And the pain scale is a little scary. Is there

852
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: a chance of going to far? Pain is very subjective?

853
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: Well, it's your scale. It's like what what you know

854
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: what pain is to you? And basically, you know, they

855
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: don't want it to go beyond what you feel comfortable facing.

856
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Okay. Was there a great deal of pain?

857
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, but very but manageable and because it was

858
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: you know, a limited period of time. Okay, Yeah, I'd

859
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: had another procedure done that I don't want to name

860
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: because I don't want to you know, put it down,

861
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: but it was it was more of an electronic sort

862
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: of thing across your face. Oh okay, it was very painful. Really, Yes,

863
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna die. I didn't think I

864
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: was going to die.

865
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: But how long did the procedure last?

866
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't that long, but it was, uh, it was

867
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: just it was I guess a lot of heat. I

868
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: don't know if it's just like electricity or lasers or

869
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: I think it's laser based maybe, Okay, on your face.

870
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: And afterwards, is your face do you look wild? Do

871
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: you look like somebody who's been through something?

872
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: A little bit after that, right after the chemical peel,

873
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: my skin was a little redder, but my wife said

874
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: she couldn't really notice. And then and then basically a

875
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: layer of your skin flakes off, right, like your face

876
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 3: is molting. And then and then you know, underneath you've

877
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: got fresher, newer.

878
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: When does the molting take place? Does it come as

879
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: a surprise, No.

880
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: You know, they should warn you about it. It's going

881
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 3: to probably started like three days, maybe three or four days,

882
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: and then progress.

883
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: And how long does it last?

884
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: For all of that had was done in probably in

885
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: a week, you know, maybe eight days.

886
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of like a severe sunburn. Yeah, exactly, okay, exactly,

887
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: very interesting. I've been very curious about it. I've always

888
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: wondered how painful it is, and well, you've got great skin.

889
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: Well I'm going to get it burned off. I'm as

890
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: soon as we hit stop on the recording, I'm going

891
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: to head to my dermatologists and demand throw some acid

892
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 2: on my face. No, I think that you know these

893
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: all these procedures are interesting, and some of them are

894
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: clearly snake oil, and then there are others which they

895
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: are proven results. Your face looks great, excellent skin, and

896
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: you you had again an experience I did. All that

897
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: truly matters.

898
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: I've got and I've got to you know, I've got

899
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: to mind my appearance.

900
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: We've all got a mind of our appearance. Well, look,

901
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: you got one out of three in the game.

902
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 3: I'm glad we agreed on something.

903
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: We agreed on something. It would have been it would

904
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: have been a sour feeling had you lost the entire thing.

905
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: That's happened with guests before and they've cut off ties.

906
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: I understand it. I mean, I thought I was going

907
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: to end up in that spot, and I was already

908
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: planning to never speak to you again.

909
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: We've I've got to answer a listener question. Okay, this

910
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: is called I said no emails people write into I

911
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: said no gifts at gmail dot com. Now, look, my

912
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: listeners are their lives are ragged, their lives are very bad,

913
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: and so they count on me to try to repair

914
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: some of these problems, usually social situations, gift giving, this

915
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: kind of thing. They write into the email. The listener

916
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: and I try to guide them towards some level of

917
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: keep them from drowning in life. Essentially, would you help me?

918
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: Sure, I'll do my best. Okay, let's probably fail, but.

919
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: I'll let's see here. Okay, this is deer bridge or

920
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: in tactless guest. Oh, just an immediate insult. You don't

921
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: like to hear that. My husband and I got married

922
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: in May of twenty twenty two, grants, I am already

923
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: thinking about gifts for our first anniversary. The traditional first

924
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: anniversary gift is paper, and I have a decent idea

925
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: for that. Oh, so it sounds like someone's written into

926
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: brag so far. My husband likes to collect cardboard coasters

927
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: from local breweries and brands. I was thinking I could

928
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: enlist friends and family to send me any cool ones

929
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: they encounter over the next several months and create some

930
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: sort of collage or something for him. Okay, so now

931
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: they're running out of ideas. It sounds like they've got

932
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: a spark of an idea, right. My conundrum is that

933
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: if I commit to a traditional paper gift for year one,

934
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: will I regret that in seven years for the wool

935
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: slash copper anniversary? Will I be emailing you in thirty

936
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: five years for a really great coral gift. Well, I

937
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: hope not. I don't want to hear from you ever again.

938
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: I would love your thoughts.

939
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 3: Nora, huh. Well, my first response to that is it's

940
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: sweet the idea of enlisting the aid of friends to

941
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: collect these coasters. But I would say, don't do it.

942
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: Don't bother people. Nobody wants to. Nobody wants to go

943
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: get coasters and send them to you to make a

944
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 3: gift for your husband. It's a sweet thought, but maybe

945
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: you got friends who are more generous than I am

946
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: by nature. But I wouldn't want to deal with that personally.

947
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: That does to me. It sounds almost worse than telling

948
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: them to go to the store and buy an item.

949
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: Because this is the thing that you have to like

950
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: start thinking about who gives away coasters that are interesting to.

951
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: Source it and then do you just steal it? Do

952
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: you ask for it?

953
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: Right? They're running all over town, and who knows. For

954
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: your anniversaries, this topic comes up a lot of like

955
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: the paper anniversary whatever. Have you ever done anything like that?

956
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean we do very simple. I mean like

957
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: one year it was wood and so I got her

958
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: just a little wooden like butterspoon meaningless. I don't think

959
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 3: she ever used it, but we try. We make a

960
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: half assed effort to sort of give a nod to that.

961
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: And are you also giving another gift or is it

962
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 2: just the wooden spoon?

963
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: No, No, it'll usually be a more.

964
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: There will be some other item that they actually can use.

965
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: Right.

966
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I believe in this at all.

967
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know who started it. But and this, like writing,

968
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 2: doing it for your entire life feels like a prison

969
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: to Oh yeah, absolutely, But getting back to this person,

970
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: I really feel like, no, just don't don't. Don't trap

971
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: yourself in this. Certainly don't drag a family member or

972
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: a friend.

973
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 3: Into it, or multiple friends. It sounds like.

974
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: There's nothing worse than getting an email where you're BC

975
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: Seed or C Seed that says hey everybody, yeah, and

976
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: then asks for some horrible favor, right that will just

977
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: haunt me for weeks. Yeah, eventually I just do the

978
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: worst job possible and then there's you know, some some

979
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: level of anger between me and the asker. So, Nora,

980
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: I think that's your answer right there, just you know,

981
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: buy him a new phone or something.

982
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: We like that more, ye appreciate it more. Unless you've

983
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: got a really great idea for another paper gift, that's

984
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: that's easy and you have fun with it, but don't

985
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: feel like it's going to trap you into that for

986
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: the rest of your life either.

987
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 2: Well, unless the husband really has this expectation. Uh well, yeah,

988
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: you know, and then it could it could threaten the marriage.

989
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: Should not do it would be it might be a

990
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 3: deal breaking, right.

991
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: Maybe that's all this marriage is built on, is this

992
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: husband's obsession with tradition. That's not a good sub You

993
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: don't want to find that out one you're in. No,

994
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: but we wish Nora the best of luck and congratulations

995
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: on the wedding. Nora. I don't know what to tell.

996
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: You happy anniversary in advance.

997
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, maybe she just prints out this email

998
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 2: and says, I tried. Yeah, that's a paper gift. Well,

999
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: we answered the question perfectly.

1000
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 3: We did.

1001
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: No one can say otherwise. And I now have these shifts. Oh,

1002
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: I was going to say shives. These shims. Actually this

1003
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: is basically the what could be carved into a shive,

1004
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 2: small wooden objects. I have my shims, which now provides

1005
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: some level of comfort in my life. Should you know,

1006
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: I won't have to worry about should the time come

1007
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: when I'm reframing a window that I'll have to run

1008
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: to home depot. No, they'll just be there waiting for me.

1009
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1010
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: I've had such a wonderful time with you here today.

1011
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Thank you.

1012
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: For coming and listener, the podcast is wrapping up. We're done.

1013
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: The audio will end at some point, and then, of

1014
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: course you've got to make your big decisions for the

1015
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: day or I don't know, you know, I don't know.

1016
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: I just don't have any idea what you need to

1017
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: do today, So you've got to make that decision. Thank

1018
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: you for being here. I love you, goodbye, I said.

1019
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by

1020
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: our dear friend Annalise Nilson and it's beautifully mixed by

1021
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: Leona SQUILATCHI and we couldn't do it without our guest

1022
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: booker Patrick Kottner. The theme song, of course, could only

1023
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: come from miracle worker Amy Man. You must follow the

1024
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: show on Instagram. At I said, no gifts. I don't

1025
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to

1026
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And

1027
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?

1028
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: And I invited you hear thought. I made myself perfectly clear.

1029
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come

1030
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: to me empty. And I said, no gifts, your own presences,

1031
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: presence in And I already had too much stuff, So

1032
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: how do you dare to surbey me?