Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jack Katie and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3: All of this comes as it is really unclear where
Speaker 3: diplomatic efforts to end this war now stand. Secretary of
Speaker 3: State Marco Rubio told lawmakers yesterday that a deal quote
Speaker 3: could happen today, it could happen tomorrow, it could happen
Speaker 3: next week, but he cautioned there's no guarantee that it
Speaker 3: would be acceptable to the Senate or the American people.
Speaker 3: And the President was asked in an interview about the
Speaker 3: weeks of whiplash and why he seems to be changing
Speaker 3: his stance on Iran so often, Trump saying, quote, it's
Speaker 3: just the way I am.
Speaker 2: That's a funny thing to say.
Speaker 4: Donald Jay was on the Miranda Divine podcast. We're going
Speaker 4: to play you a couple of clips of the heck
Speaker 4: up in a couple of minutes, including a minute or
Speaker 4: so including being asked about his alleged obscenity laced.
Speaker 2: Call with bb Net Yahoo. But she said, you're crazy.
Speaker 4: You'd be in jail if it wasn't for Mela, is
Speaker 4: there a rift between the two sides.
Speaker 5: And again pointing out that each president, like four or
Speaker 5: five presidents have had that relationship with BB Netanyahu and
Speaker 5: had that sort of conversation with him, so it's not unique.
Speaker 5: Yeah at times.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 4: The US and Iran exchanged heavy fire overnight after the
Speaker 4: US struck an empty oil tanker that it said was
Speaker 4: attempting to breach the blockade. That set off a string
Speaker 4: of attacks by both sides, with their on firing ballistic
Speaker 4: missiles at US bases and later launching drones that struck
Speaker 4: Kuwait's airport, leaving one person dead and temporarily suspending air traffic.
Speaker 4: But despite the heavy fire, US Central Command said Tuesday
Speaker 4: night that the tenuous ceasefire.
Speaker 2: Was still ongoing.
Speaker 5: Man, the fact that these other countries have held back
Speaker 5: is really something. Iraq has been hit. So seven, eight,
Speaker 5: nine different countries have been hit by Iranian rockets and
Speaker 5: missiles and have mostly held back. Yeah, yeah, mostly, although
Speaker 5: we are finding out the EUA has been much more
Speaker 5: active than was previously understood. Uh So that's what happened
Speaker 5: to most recently. Let's let's get to Miranda, Divine and
Speaker 5: Trump and see what they had to say.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Axios reported that you had a phone call with BB Netanya,
Speaker 1: who's the Prime Minister of Israel, in which you were
Speaker 1: angry with him. You said, are you effing crazy? What
Speaker 1: are you efing doing? I helped you stay out of jail.
Speaker 1: Is that true? Did you speak to him in those tides?
Speaker 1: Did I always say angry? I was a little bit
Speaker 1: perturbed at his uh constantly fighting with Lebanon.
Speaker 6: You know, at some point, as would be be, we
Speaker 6: got to step this, we gotta stap it. But I
Speaker 6: have a very good relationship with and well done well together.
Speaker 6: He always says we could never have done it, but
Speaker 6: everybody knows that we could have never done it without
Speaker 6: the United States.
Speaker 2: But we've I've worked very well together. I like bab
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a little troubled by that whole You're constantly
Speaker 4: fighting with Lebanon.
Speaker 2: He's fighting with Hespelaea, which is.
Speaker 4: An armed political party that Lebanon would pay whatever it
Speaker 4: took to get rid of if they possibly could. It's
Speaker 4: a long and complex story, but yeah, that was a
Speaker 4: little troubling. I don't know if he truly misunderstood it,
Speaker 4: or if he was just kind of shorthanding it next.
Speaker 1: Clip, And are your tactics where you say something and
Speaker 1: then change it and then do a piece deal and
Speaker 1: then break the seas.
Speaker 2: Fire or whatever?
Speaker 1: Is that all about trying to keep the Iranians off balance?
Speaker 1: Are you sort of messaging to them? No, because people
Speaker 1: at home sometimes I think you're anxious and confused.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 6: It's good if they're confused and the Iranians are confused.
Speaker 5: I don't think the people at home are paying attention,
Speaker 5: is what I think.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: I'm looking up at TV NBC News leading the hour
Speaker 5: with it, but I don't think the average person is
Speaker 5: thinking much more than oh, it's still going on, gas
Speaker 5: is still expensive the end.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, scanning my memory banks to think about when anybody's
Speaker 4: brought it up to me in real life recently, I
Speaker 4: can't come up with anything well, and it still ends
Speaker 4: up being evening newscasts often like the fourth story after
Speaker 4: weather and a video of a guy getting knocked down
Speaker 4: by a deer, and you know whatever else they I
Speaker 4: do enjoy a good deer knocking down, and so let's
Speaker 4: move on to other fair since perhaps this is not
Speaker 4: fair that people care about it anyway, I did.
Speaker 2: Want to mention this.
Speaker 5: I watched a little Marco Rubio testifying before Congress yesterday,
Speaker 5: and they lean a lot on that whole we've destroyed
Speaker 5: the Iranian navy. You're overlooking that their navy is at
Speaker 5: the bottom of the sea. Ran no longer has a navy.
Speaker 5: And I didn't even think of it until some other
Speaker 5: pundit I like pointed it out. Whoever talked about the
Speaker 5: Iranian navy or was worried about the Iranian navy? How
Speaker 5: big a role in world politics was the Iranian navy.
Speaker 5: Uh So, it's a little bit of a headfake to
Speaker 5: me to keep bragging about we've sunked their navy.
Speaker 2: All right, they've.
Speaker 4: Got those those fast boats, those harassing boats.
Speaker 5: But yeah, issue, you didn't launch this saying we've got
Speaker 5: to do something about the Iranian navy and nobody's willing
Speaker 5: to do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right right. Ah, So what you're about to hear
Speaker 4: is restraint. There's a lot of talk that Marco clearly
Speaker 4: now has the edge for twenty twenty eight. I hope
Speaker 4: so that Trump and company have had to arrange advents
Speaker 4: in easy with the social media. Stop doing that. They're
Speaker 4: getting a little annoyed with them. That's all I'm going
Speaker 4: to say. I'm going to move on. I find this
Speaker 4: so interesting. Ultra processed food is the new sitting, which
Speaker 4: was the new smoking apparently, or sitting around and eating
Speaker 4: ultra processed food is certainly the new like smoking two
Speaker 4: cigarettes at once of health.
Speaker 2: There is a new.
Speaker 5: Study sitting and smoking, yes, while eating a bag of doritos. Oh,
Speaker 5: you're as good as dead, practically committing suicide, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: just throw yourself off a cliff and save the rest
Speaker 5: of us the trouble. So I approach these studies with caution.
Speaker 4: Because in some questions of health, it's difficult to tease
Speaker 4: out one variable. As if you paid attention in high
Speaker 4: school science class, you know that's the scientific method. You
Speaker 4: can't introduce three variables and then guess at which one
Speaker 4: did want. And if you are a coke snorton, you know,
Speaker 4: motorcycle racer who eats ultra processed foods, and those people
Speaker 4: tend to die sooner, you can't tell me. Hip it's
Speaker 4: the ultra process foods, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I'll just get to the study. Eating a diet
Speaker 4: high in ultra processed foods is associated with a serious
Speaker 4: increased risk of dementia, according to new research, adding to
Speaker 4: the growing list of health problems linked to such packaged
Speaker 4: foods as packaged cookies, hot dogs, and chips, and I
Speaker 4: also mentioned bacon.
Speaker 2: I love hot dogs.
Speaker 5: Bacon, Yes, bacon, aw man, I.
Speaker 4: Can say bacon as many times as you like.
Speaker 2: It's a the least buddy.
Speaker 5: I don't put bacon in the same category normally. In
Speaker 5: my mind, is like a bag of Doritos ultra processed food.
Speaker 4: The study involved more than fifty three hundred US adults
Speaker 4: age fifty and older followed them for almost nine years
Speaker 4: on average.
Speaker 2: The researchers from.
Speaker 4: The HARVD tv Chan School of Public Health and other
Speaker 4: institutions aimed a home in on the impact of ultra
Speaker 4: processed foods by accounting for range of other factors that
Speaker 4: affect health, including education, income, smoking, physical activity, and alcohol use,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: These results to add to a body of scientific evidence
Speaker 4: linking diets high in ultra processed foods to health problems
Speaker 4: including obesity, cardiovascular disease, type two diabetes.
Speaker 2: And more.
Speaker 5: How about the bacon like they that they have at
Speaker 5: the butcher counter? You know, it's not in the plastic packaging.
Speaker 5: Is that different or is that the same thing? You know,
Speaker 5: they don't really drill down into bacon.
Speaker 4: I know, it's like smoked and cured and salted and
Speaker 4: whatever else. I've got to admit, I think of that
Speaker 4: very differently as you're saying that, say a pack of chips,
Speaker 4: oreos horrendous pizza puff thingy ye that you heat.
Speaker 2: But it's all lists matter.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to eat any I'm not going to
Speaker 5: eat one stick less of bacon the rest of my
Speaker 5: life because of this.
Speaker 2: So well, I even don't discuss it.
Speaker 4: But you'll forget you made that vow so you might
Speaker 4: stop eating bacon, So who knows?
Speaker 2: Who knows because of my dementia from eating processed food exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of self correcting in a bizarre and
Speaker 4: tragic way.
Speaker 2: So okay.
Speaker 4: They think one likely explanation for the link between ultra
Speaker 4: processed foods and dementia is that diets high income are
Speaker 4: associated with obesity, type two diabetes, and cardiovascular disease, and
Speaker 4: those illnesses raise the risk of dementia.
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you could argue that I mean, because look,
Speaker 4: don't we all have our principles in general, but we
Speaker 4: have cheats.
Speaker 2: Sure, and your cheat is bacon.
Speaker 4: Fine, you're not gonna guzzle down pizza puffs, but by God,
Speaker 4: when you have an eggs, you're gonna have a little bacon.
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Speaker 5: We've got a number of things we need to get
Speaker 5: to today, including a couple of stories around AI. They're
Speaker 5: dang dang interesting uh in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: But Scott Pelly getting fired from sixty minutes just pompous
Speaker 5: ass hat. So anything bad happening in his life makes
Speaker 5: me somewhat happier.
Speaker 4: Because that sort of problem. Okay, I'll say it out loud.
Speaker 4: Tom Petty right here, I'm working with laz.
Speaker 2: This is terrible. What's that? What's that? Ready's petty? Oh,
Speaker 2: terrible petty. Yes, here's petty. You're Tom Petty. Okay, here's
Speaker 2: the pettiest petty. That's petty. Since Tom Petty, it's the
Speaker 2: same world. Terrible. Yeah, say I'm fired.
Speaker 5: Yes, you're fired, Scott.
Speaker 2: Nobody likes you. You want me to go more on
Speaker 2: that and other stuff all the way. Stay here.
Speaker 5: It's disappointing to find out that Scott Pelly if sixty
Speaker 5: Minutes has been fired. Oh I'm sorry, I'm all wrong.
Speaker 5: It wasn't disappointing. I was very happy about it because
Speaker 5: I found him insufferable. It's funny that the last interview
Speaker 5: that aired with Scott Pelley on sixty Minutes was the
Speaker 5: one he did with Ben Sass, Remember, and I liked
Speaker 5: that topic of stuff. Ben Sas said, but it came
Speaker 5: in the next morning on Monday and said, that was
Speaker 5: the most pompous Scott Pelly there's ever been.
Speaker 2: I mean that one was.
Speaker 5: That was him taking it to like an snl skit
Speaker 5: level of leaned back in his chair and that look
Speaker 5: on his face of smugness and wisdom and the glasses
Speaker 5: in his teeth. I mean, he is just such an
Speaker 5: act in his slow voice. But that matters to you,
Speaker 5: doesn't it. Mister Sas just oh God, nobody's ever been
Speaker 5: more pleased with themselves than Scott Pelly. And apparently he
Speaker 5: thought he could big time the new boss at sixty
Speaker 5: Minutes when they had that big meeting the other day
Speaker 5: and lecture him when he walked in the room and
Speaker 5: the boss said, all right, you're not gonna embarrass me
Speaker 5: in front of these people. It ain't gonna work. Enjoy
Speaker 5: the Bagels got up and left and then fired him.
Speaker 5: Twenty four hours later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, As the new executive producer was introducing himself and
Speaker 4: launching into look, I have so much respect for the
Speaker 4: show and all of you.
Speaker 2: This is going to be collaborative. I want your voices,
Speaker 2: Scott Pelly said, ah, I must interrupt.
Speaker 4: You're punk who's never done anything, and your boss has
Speaker 4: no qualifications either, and she's trying to murder.
Speaker 2: The show, and I hate all of you.
Speaker 4: Well, in spite of that, Bilton Nick Bilton reached out
Speaker 4: to Pelly and said, look, we got to get together
Speaker 4: and talk. And Pelly essentially said to me, I have
Speaker 4: nothing to say to you, and so they sk candmy, they.
Speaker 2: Poop candom well immediately.
Speaker 5: And what was the line he had in the meeting
Speaker 5: to the guy, I'm curious as to why you would
Speaker 5: come somewhere nobody wants you.
Speaker 2: Yes, f you, I would think, is the new boss.
Speaker 5: Pelly was making five million dollars a year just for
Speaker 5: the sixty minutes program. Back when he used to be
Speaker 5: the anchor, he was ten to fifteen million dollars a
Speaker 5: year is rumored, so he's made a lot of money
Speaker 5: in his life, so it could be just a in
Speaker 5: his defense, I guess, and I find him an an
Speaker 5: annoying human being, even though I'm a big sixty minutes fan.
Speaker 5: It could have been a just you know, I don't
Speaker 5: I'm not changing the way I do things, and if
Speaker 5: you think I am, you're wrong. And I got plenty
Speaker 5: of money. And he probably thinks other networks are just
Speaker 5: looking to grab him as quick as they can because
Speaker 5: he thinks the Scott Pelly brand is ratings gold.
Speaker 2: I think he's about to find out different on that,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 4: In his subsequent note to Pelly built and called Pelly's
Speaker 4: behavior at Monday's meeting a performative display of hostility, which
Speaker 4: I think is a good line. And one of the
Speaker 4: I think was Sharon ALFONSI, you also got canned, said
Speaker 4: something absolutely hilarious, although it really does demonstrate and you know,
Speaker 4: I try to take, you know, not an attack attack,
Speaker 4: attacked posture all the time, because I've come to realize
Speaker 4: that bubbled people don't know that they're bubbled, and they
Speaker 4: have a completely different reality and you can't attack them
Speaker 4: out of it. You've got to help them understand how
Speaker 4: bubbled they are. But Sharon Alfonsi said something about how
Speaker 4: Barry Weiss is now interject political point of view into
Speaker 4: their reporting.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, And I thought, good lord, wow, you.
Speaker 4: Are in the middle of the forest and can't see
Speaker 4: the trees or something.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 5: It has been in my lifetime diminishing because all the media,
Speaker 5: entire media landscape has been changing rapidly as we all know.
Speaker 5: But it has been in my lifetime probably the most
Speaker 5: important news outlet in the world. I mean, it has
Speaker 5: broken so many stories or been the conversation piece of
Speaker 5: so many big stories the next Monday morning for all
Speaker 5: of our politics, like my whole adult life. And you know,
Speaker 5: they went out of their way to try to ruin it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I still thought it was really good.
Speaker 2: Often.
Speaker 5: Mark Alpern writing, and Mark Alpern has really been in
Speaker 5: the news business because his dad was big in government
Speaker 5: and he's been in the news business his whole life.
Speaker 5: He wrote, it's impossible to overstate the arrogance of those
Speaker 5: who have worked for sixty minutes over the years, even
Speaker 5: as the program's bias and reduced quality have been on
Speaker 5: vivid display. He also said there are a lot more
Speaker 5: beats to play out on this story, including how the
Speaker 5: rest of the program staff decides to play things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody, I suppose could rebold right right sure.
Speaker 4: A final note on this, Nick Bilton's dismissal letter to
Speaker 4: Scott Pelly was remarkably gentlemanly and emphasized again that he says,
Speaker 4: I've devoted my career to While I'm new to Sixty Minutes,
Speaker 4: I've devoted my career to investigative journalism and storytelling. I
Speaker 4: started this job excited to collaborate and benefit from the
Speaker 4: wisdom and experience of the Sixty Minutes veterans, with you
Speaker 4: among them. For that reason, one of the first things
Speaker 4: I did in my new role was to call you
Speaker 4: and invite you to dinner. He got the middle finger
Speaker 4: every single time they hold the meeting. Yesterday, you hijacked
Speaker 4: my first meeting with staff to disparage me, my qualifications,
Speaker 4: and my intentions with remarkable incivility and contempt. I welcome
Speaker 4: a diversity viewpoints and respectful debate among the team, but
Speaker 4: this was nothing of the sort. Yesterday's performative display of
Speaker 4: hostility and acted in front of the staff instead of
Speaker 4: in a civil private conversation, demonstrating that you have no
Speaker 4: interest in contributing to the future success of the show,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. Uh, and then he says, I
Speaker 4: therefore write on behalf of CBS News Ink to inform
Speaker 4: you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause,
Speaker 4: effective immediately and closed as your formal termination letter.
Speaker 5: Why wouldn't Scott Pelly, as the biggest deal at the
Speaker 5: biggest news program left in television news, why wouldn't he
Speaker 5: let it play out, like get to a point of
Speaker 5: tension on some story where he thinks, no, I think
Speaker 5: this should be left in, and Barry Weiss or whoever's
Speaker 5: you know under her says, I think it should be
Speaker 5: taken out and then maybe make a stand over that
Speaker 5: that you could support, perhaps publicly say they didn't want
Speaker 5: me to tell you this. Why wouldn't you do that
Speaker 5: as opposed to do the whole big time him at
Speaker 5: the meaning thing. Well, he says, you're a day.
Speaker 4: The changes are entirely to curry favor with the Trump administration,
Speaker 4: and they're throwing sixty minutes away. Yeah, man, evidence instructed
Speaker 4: me to inject falsehoods and bias into a politically sensitive story.
Speaker 2: Give us some example of that.
Speaker 4: Scott Pelly, Well, he considers any perspective to the right
Speaker 4: of Bernie Sanders to be injecting politics.
Speaker 5: I still think it'd be to his benefit to give specifics.
Speaker 2: To Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 7: The New York Knicks are going to the NBA Finals
Speaker 7: for the first time in twenty seven years, and I
Speaker 7: think I can speak for the whole city when I
Speaker 7: say it's so gratifying to finally see something go well
Speaker 7: for Timothy Shalloman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of Witch, they say this is going to
Speaker 5: be the most expensive ticket in New York history. Now,
Speaker 5: of course there's always adjusting for inflation, but it might
Speaker 5: be just true, flat out. If there's a Game six,
Speaker 5: which would be at home in New York, they expect
Speaker 5: those seats, the Tim Schalloway seats to be a seven
Speaker 5: figures Wait a minute, a million, No, oh, million dollars
Speaker 5: at least for a seat, even if you're even if
Speaker 5: you're Tim shallow May, John Stewart, Chris rock Rich do
Speaker 5: you drop a million dollars for a Game six, sixth
Speaker 5: next seat?
Speaker 1: I don't care if.
Speaker 2: I'm Elon musk rich Well, and I would.
Speaker 5: I've said this many times over the years. I would
Speaker 5: love to know how that whole thing works. I don't
Speaker 5: know if they if that's the way that works anyway,
Speaker 5: or if the Knick's organization, or the or the network,
Speaker 5: or there's all kinds of people that benefit from those
Speaker 5: celebrities being there rather than anonymous businessmen who might be
Speaker 5: as rich as Timothy shallow May but you've never heard
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 2: You don't want those guys in the front row. No, No,
Speaker 2: some guy in shipping.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that doesn't make you more money or or make
Speaker 5: it more exciting anyways. Watching some New York media this morning,
Speaker 5: but you know media I was watching this morning because
Speaker 5: it's all practically all New York, uh, and them talking
Speaker 5: about how it's the most sports excitement in that city
Speaker 5: in many decades, partially because he got Yankees, man, you
Speaker 5: got Giants, Jets. There's only one really NBA basketball team
Speaker 5: that anybody pays attention to, and that the city's just
Speaker 5: on fire for this whole thing. So it's going to
Speaker 5: be highly annoying. And I just can't wait for Wendy
Speaker 5: to go in there and drag them around the court
Speaker 5: in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm hoping happens.
Speaker 4: Wow, very vengeful again, Petty again, Michael, You notice that
Speaker 4: a theme is emerging. Other people's pain is Jack's joy, schadenfreude,
Speaker 4: New York Media's pain.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely my joy. Million dollars for a seat, we'll see.
Speaker 4: I'm an NHL guy. I've been watching the Stanley Club
Speaker 4: Cup playoffs, including the finals, in which my beloved Carolina
Speaker 4: Hurricanes I've been like the biggest fan of the world
Speaker 4: for maybe a year.
Speaker 2: Lost to the Las Vegas Golden Knights.
Speaker 4: Vegas what hockey Golden Knights, their logos and embarrassment.
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
Speaker 5: I didn't know either one of those teams existed. I've
Speaker 5: heard the informed that the the Hurricane go ahead. I've
Speaker 5: heard of the Canadian teams. I've heard of all these
Speaker 5: American teams. Have you heard of the Chicago Blackhawks. I
Speaker 5: haven't heard of the league for some time.
Speaker 4: Yes, Speaking of which, I heard on the telecast last
Speaker 4: night that the the Carolina Hurricanes the last one the
Speaker 4: Stanley Cup in two thousand and six, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, there's been a Carolina hockey team for.
Speaker 2: Twenty I couldn't have told you that, And they won
Speaker 2: the Stanley cup. Well, it's insane getting old anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So late in the show, we had the breaking
Speaker 5: news that Donald Trump signed an executive order around ai
Speaker 5: an a O, around a an EO, around ao AI.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. Why do you even try?
Speaker 5: I don't know why I try. It's a test of
Speaker 5: my brain and I fail every single time. Anyway, executive
Speaker 5: order about artifical.
Speaker 4: You got to take that test where you got banana,
Speaker 4: elephant train, school bus train, right.
Speaker 2: I passed it. I scored. They never said I'm not
Speaker 2: sure I would pass it.
Speaker 5: And it's it's a much watered down version of something
Speaker 5: they had proposed like six eight weeks ago, but it's
Speaker 5: still the federal gulp saying yeah, you do some big
Speaker 5: advancement in your whole AI thing. You got to run
Speaker 5: it by us first, and we take a look at
Speaker 5: it and see if we think it's okay.
Speaker 2: Which is one very very vague.
Speaker 5: In two, who's gonna decide who in the federal government
Speaker 5: is gonna look at what Sam Altman, Elon musk Emodi
Speaker 5: or or you know those people came up with and
Speaker 5: say I like it, good job, or no, I don't
Speaker 5: tweak this over here?
Speaker 2: And then it will be ex exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's almost hilarious, and it's it's statutorily it's
Speaker 4: just what are you even?
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 4: What are you doing? So you got to run new
Speaker 4: AI systems past the White House? That's not a thing.
Speaker 5: As the kids say, well, right, and as as I
Speaker 5: said yesterday, there's like eight people in the world that
Speaker 5: understand how this stuff works, and they ain't in the
Speaker 5: federal government.
Speaker 2: And they only kind of understand it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're kind of guessing, not kind of very
Speaker 5: much guessing themselves. So who knows where that leads?
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 5: Neil Ferguson's piece out today AI is the most dangerous
Speaker 5: arms race in history is pretty interesting. The unfolding history
Speaker 5: of artificial intelligence has now arrived at what may be
Speaker 5: its most dangerous moment.
Speaker 4: Writes mister Ferguson, the historian. We may be charming Scottish accent.
Speaker 5: We may be hurtling toward the most dangerous arms race
Speaker 5: in history, and we're doing so when the leadership of
Speaker 5: the competitors in this race is, to say the least,
Speaker 5: of mixed quality. The chief executives of the most important
Speaker 5: companies include at least one with a record of duplicity.
Speaker 5: Is he talking about Altman? Probably scam Altman and at
Speaker 5: least two egomaniacs.
Speaker 2: That would be at least two.
Speaker 5: I think there's more than that, but that's probably Elon
Speaker 5: And are you emotive?
Speaker 2: Probably? I don't know if.
Speaker 5: You could be one of the giants of AI without
Speaker 5: being an egomaniac. So the Google guy bitch Eye, I
Speaker 5: don't know, or or Zuckerberg, like I said, I'm not
Speaker 5: sure you could be one of these people without being
Speaker 5: an egomaniac. So I don't see that as much of
Speaker 5: a slam. Meanwhile, the President of the United States is
Speaker 5: a former real estate developer and really reality TV star,
Speaker 5: roughly half of whose public utterances are mere bluffs. And
Speaker 5: the leader of the People's Republic of China is a
Speaker 5: Marxist Leninist who aspires to eclipse Mau as a dictator.
Speaker 5: That is all true, and usually I don't like the
Speaker 5: shots at Trump for being a reality TV star or whatever,
Speaker 5: but he's no expert in AI, and practically nobody is,
Speaker 5: as I've already said, So.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting moment.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, the most dangerous arms race in human history.
Speaker 4: As we're chatting about last hour it's partly because it's
Speaker 4: such a squishy, ever changing thing to get your arms around.
Speaker 4: People could comprehend a terrible new bomb that would cause
Speaker 4: more destruction than any previous bomb has. You can come
Speaker 4: to that, But we don't even know what it's going
Speaker 4: to be, what it will control, as you pointed out,
Speaker 4: how many people it will put out of work, what
Speaker 4: sort of political unrest that will cause, what sort of
Speaker 4: economic shocks around the globe.
Speaker 2: Nobody even knows what it.
Speaker 5: Is, right, and there's no agreement among the smartest people.
Speaker 5: I watch all the YouTube videos and listen to the
Speaker 5: podcasts and read this stuff written by the smartest people
Speaker 5: about this stuff in the world, and they are not
Speaker 5: in agreement at all as to when this is happening
Speaker 5: or how big a deal it is. But I can
Speaker 5: lay out what worst case scenario is that AI begins
Speaker 5: to learn on its own and decides to take over
Speaker 5: the world or a country. Now, if you believe that
Speaker 5: the Communist Chinese Party can take over a country which
Speaker 5: it has and run a surveillance state to keep people
Speaker 5: in line, it's not a leap to think that an
Speaker 5: AI could do that, Right, Why could the Chinese Communist
Speaker 5: Party run by you know, a fairly small number of
Speaker 5: people not as smart as AI. Why could they take
Speaker 5: over a whole country and run it and keep people
Speaker 5: in line and keep power but AI couldn't. There's no
Speaker 5: reason to think that, or certainly the one obvious inevitable
Speaker 5: is that people will use AI to accomplish the same thing,
Speaker 5: and both are horrifying outcomes. Interestingly enough, New York Times
Speaker 5: had a story the other day about how China is
Speaker 5: now using AI to predict who might be a threat
Speaker 5: to the Communist Party in the future.
Speaker 4: They can now recognize the kernels of unrevolutionary thought well
Speaker 4: among young people or young professionals, and think, all right,
Speaker 4: put him on the list, which he said, He said
Speaker 4: it made a wise ass comment about whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which might be accurate or might not be accurate
Speaker 5: at all, But it doesn't matter to them. They're still
Speaker 5: going to drag you out of your home and put
Speaker 5: you in a prison.
Speaker 4: No, there's no cost to dragging you out of your
Speaker 4: home and been killing you or putting you in a prison,
Speaker 4: because they've got complete control.
Speaker 2: Some of the experts, and again, they're all guessing.
Speaker 5: Every single one of them from elon down is absolutely guessing.
Speaker 2: On this stuff.
Speaker 5: But some of the guessing by the experts is that
Speaker 5: China is way more afraid of this than we are.
Speaker 5: That if you're a totalitarian state, you're more feel more
Speaker 5: threatened by AI somehow.
Speaker 2: Taking your place than an open democracy.
Speaker 4: Well, my final thought on this, then i'll give you
Speaker 4: the last word, is that what Bill O'Reilly used to say, Yep,
Speaker 4: I'll give you the.
Speaker 2: Last word right before body language segment.
Speaker 4: My last word is a reminder that I read you
Speaker 4: a bit of a note from Alert listener Paolo yesterday,
Speaker 4: who said, look, all this stuff is true, but there's
Speaker 4: no opting out correct. Trying to restrict the growth of
Speaker 4: human knowledge and technology through history is it's laughable.
Speaker 2: I hope this doesn't happen.
Speaker 5: And depending on who you ask, it's like a twenty
Speaker 5: percent chance of it happening or a seventy five percent
Speaker 5: chance of happening, which either one of those is way
Speaker 5: too high that in the next couple of years, the
Speaker 5: world wakes up one day and realizes AI is doing
Speaker 5: its own thing now, and we're just gonna have to
Speaker 5: sit back and watch because we have no ability to
Speaker 5: stop it or control it in any way.
Speaker 2: It is it is hijacked its own servers. It is gotten.
Speaker 5: It's gotten, It's come up with a way to get
Speaker 5: its own electrical.
Speaker 2: Power as much as it needs.
Speaker 5: It's just doing everything on its own and the world
Speaker 5: is just going to watch and see what it decides
Speaker 5: to do. That is a absolutely on the table as
Speaker 5: a possibility, like.
Speaker 2: Within a couple of years.
Speaker 4: This doesn't count as me violating my last word thing
Speaker 4: because that was really intriguing.
Speaker 2: That's opened up a new area of discussion.
Speaker 4: Will there be towns, counties, states, countries that say that
Speaker 4: finally do what I been begging them to do. They'll
Speaker 4: unplug the Internet. They will go retro techno retro to
Speaker 4: the point that nothing's connected to the Internet.
Speaker 2: There's no AI.
Speaker 4: They will become like the semi whatever you know, pre AI,
Speaker 4: however you want to describe it.
Speaker 5: So the only way to out of self defense, right,
Speaker 5: and so the only way to take that over would
Speaker 5: be to actually storm the beaches with robots on boats or.
Speaker 2: Bomb them or something.
Speaker 4: And if and this is the stuff of science fiction,
Speaker 4: I wish I was ambitious and brilliant enough to write
Speaker 4: it because I'm so intrigued by the idea. But if,
Speaker 4: if you know, the United States of wherever declares that, look,
Speaker 4: we're just we're out. We're going to go back to
Speaker 4: the old ways. We're of no threat to AI Antonia. Okay,
Speaker 4: we we we we We're just going to do our
Speaker 4: own thing over here.
Speaker 2: Let's coexist.
Speaker 4: Would AI say no, that's not compatible with our brilliant
Speaker 4: AI world plan. Can't have dissenters like that. Sorry, we
Speaker 4: got to snow. Who knows.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance of no, not at all.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any.
Speaker 5: Chance of coming up with some sort of arms agreement
Speaker 5: like we did with the Soviet Union, which a lot
Speaker 5: of people didn't think that'd be possible, where we both recognized, look,
Speaker 5: we don't either one of us really want to blow
Speaker 5: up the world. So how about we come up with
Speaker 5: some agreement like you know Reagan and Gorbachev did, limiting
Speaker 5: the number or you know, allowing some communication back and forth,
Speaker 5: something like that, where we and China both said, look,
Speaker 5: you're more afraid of it than we are, and we're
Speaker 5: afraid of it. So let's how about let's agree AI
Speaker 5: is only allowed to work on medical stuff or this
Speaker 5: or that, there's not going to be any just let
Speaker 5: it go out there artificial general intelligence.
Speaker 2: Is there any chance of coming up with guidelines.
Speaker 4: Like that, Yes, there absolutely is, but it's a little
Speaker 4: more complicated because of the difficulty of verifying compliance.
Speaker 2: We're talking about people tiptapping.
Speaker 4: Away on a keyboard somewhere that might say yeah, right, right,
Speaker 4: the beast, and then it might be unleashed in ways
Speaker 4: that people don't even recognize for days, weeks, years, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 5: Plus I limited it to the United States and China,
Speaker 5: like the United States and the Soviet Union, which you
Speaker 5: could do it with nuclear weapons, because some super smart
Speaker 5: guy living in rural Alabama was not gonna build a
Speaker 5: nuclear arsenal. But some super smart guy living in Alabama
Speaker 5: could use AI just as much as a Chinese could.
Speaker 5: So right, that is the difference. Okay, I'm back to
Speaker 5: We're Doomed.
Speaker 4: Next segment a follow up believe it or not, on
Speaker 4: the Scott Pelley firing thing, I'm going to rope Thomas
Speaker 4: soel In and Ben's sass also Alabama redistricting, all in
Speaker 4: one delicious stew of enttormation.
Speaker 5: I promised to stop talking about it after one more
Speaker 5: thirty second comment. Go ahead, it's good it's so possible
Speaker 5: that in our lifetimes we're all having the conversation.
Speaker 2: Of why did we let this happen?
Speaker 5: Around AI? I mean, it's just so up ended the
Speaker 5: world that just like everybody on the planet is saying,
Speaker 5: how in the hell did human beings allow this to happen?
Speaker 4: And then the Joe Keetties of the conversation would say, well,
Speaker 4: there is no stop in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how are we going to stop it? Oh? We
Speaker 2: could have passed regulations? What about China?
Speaker 4: And then I'll go back to skinning the squirrel that
Speaker 4: I successfully speared to eat from a dinner because all
Speaker 4: of the world's financial institutions, all the digital ones have
Speaker 4: been emptied of their cash.
Speaker 5: Just waiting for an AI robot to come anesthetize you and.
Speaker 2: Harvest your organs.
Speaker 4: Trying to catch a cockroach to get a few calories.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what a tap of a shy? Exactly
Speaker 5: the question what the world will be saying. It's like
Speaker 5: when Hovil yelled up to the sky. The whole world
Speaker 5: will be saying, what a tap of aya shity? All right? More,
Speaker 5: all the ways there.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty tell me to put my phone down
Speaker 2: and stop doom scrolling. You're doom scrolling right now, aren't you?
Speaker 2: And what were you supposed to be doing?
Speaker 5: Anyway?
Speaker 2: Let me guess something productive and you were going to
Speaker 2: do it? To get right to it? What is said?
Speaker 2: You said? Just let me look on my phone.
Speaker 1: There's born And then they turned to two minutes, two minutes,
Speaker 1: turnt to forty forty minutes, turnt to sixty sixty minutes, turn.
Speaker 2: Out, stop, tells? What's out your flow? What's out your flow? Down?
Speaker 2: If you play? And tell you you just want to
Speaker 2: shield so you won't retend your mus that round but
Speaker 2: you can't. But last of the drying, he went, okay,
Speaker 2: that's a fashion. Second, that's a califight. I right up right,
Speaker 2: it's ours.
Speaker 3: This I was a lot on my life, losing your
Speaker 3: foul past your time to drive?
Speaker 2: Don't you work? Don't you want to start? Don't you
Speaker 2: want to go.
Speaker 6: Out to play?
Speaker 2: Bottot do stop down slow? What's outre foul? Puts down?
Speaker 2: Ja fowl dough You got this.
Speaker 5: Latest worldwide numbers out just came out. I heard them
Speaker 5: talking about a non PR, so I looked it up.
Speaker 5: Today gen Z millennials lead the pack and staring at
Speaker 5: their phone. This is mindlessly scrolling. They're not counting the
Speaker 5: amount of time you like, are doing something like specific
Speaker 5: mindlessly scrolling four and a half to five hours.
Speaker 2: A day for gen z and millennials, just mining for
Speaker 2: that dopamine hit.
Speaker 5: For just average people, if you add up the hours
Speaker 5: per day and then hours per week, you come up
Speaker 5: with thirty full days per year, thirty full twenty four
Speaker 5: hour days, an entire month of your waking and sleeping
Speaker 5: time just looking at your phone, just scrolling for something
Speaker 5: interesting because you're so bored with your own thoughts, I guess,
Speaker 5: or looking at the sky or your kids, or you're so.
Speaker 4: Addicted to the the next thing might be great. The
Speaker 4: next thing might be great. Dopamine hit. It's all about that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's all about that. We're all crack monkeys in a lab.
Speaker 4: So I'll follow up on the Scott Pelly discussion, which
Speaker 4: if you missed it, God bless you, you've missed it forever. Nope,
Speaker 4: you can subscribe to our podcast Armstrong and Getty on
Speaker 4: demand and get it. Scott Pelly and Sharon el Ponsi's
Speaker 4: griping about how they're now injecting politics into sixty minutes
Speaker 4: is a great example one of several of one of
Speaker 4: my favorite Thomas soilisms, which you pointed out. When people
Speaker 4: get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination
Speaker 4: and they're so bubbled injecting a little centrism or a
Speaker 4: little you know, the other side of the aisle actually
Speaker 4: has a counter argument. Maybe we got to include that.
Speaker 4: Seems like injecting policies. Yeah, that's a truism, that thing
Speaker 4: right there. I don't know if that's what's happening here, though.
Speaker 4: I think they they think they're hitting it down the middle.
Speaker 2: I think they actually think that.
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's it precisely what Thomas Soel meant. When
Speaker 4: you get used to one side or preferential treatment, correcting
Speaker 4: it seems like an outrage because you're used to that.
Speaker 2: It's like putting other examples, but no time, it's like putting.
Speaker 5: The porno books in the library and then when we
Speaker 5: try to get them out book banning.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alabama's are redistricting now. They used to be perverting
Speaker 4: the Voting Rights Act to make sure there's a black
Speaker 4: two black districts. We've got to have two black districts.
Speaker 4: Then the Supreme Court said no, we don't. That's not
Speaker 4: the law of the land, but it seems like discrimination.
Speaker 2: Now we're only halfway done.
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