1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, This is Chuck and welcome to this weekend's 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know Selects episode. This one I picked 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: out How the m p a A Works from June 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: just a few years ago, and I picked this one because, well, 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of because I'm doing my new show Movie Crush, 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: where I talked to people about their favorite all time movie, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: and my new episodes called Mini Crushes where I don't 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: have a guest, but it's just Nolan High in here 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: kind of rapping about stuff, recommendations and calling Facebook questions 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and it just kind of got 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: me thinking along the lines of movies in This episode 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: on the Motion Picture Association of America was a really 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: good one. And if you are just confused by the 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: mp A what they do, this will clear it all 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: up for you. So please to enjoy How the mp 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: a A Works. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: House Stuff Works dot com. M Hey, and welcome to 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry. 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: But where's wal though right over there apparently, and I 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: wish people could hear in between stuff. I think Jerry 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: was recording that last one. Oh yeah, I think so. 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: She used to give us a neat little outtakes, but 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: she doesn't do that anymore. Those days are long gone. 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: They exist in the vault though. How you doing not good? No? No, 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with me. I am off today. 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Out of your game. Yeah, it's weird. Well, I think 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: this is the perfect podcast to set you straight. Why 28 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: because it's something that we both have some passion about against. Yeah. 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: I think anybody who's seen um the documentary this film 30 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: is not yet rated, that would be uh very difficult 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to not be persuade, didn't to feel strongly about the 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: m p a A and its practices. Yeah, and at 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: least how they do things. But we're going to try 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: to be objective. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: up front, I have no problem with rating of films 36 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: content so parents can decide whether or not it's appropriate. 37 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: It's valuable, but I think there are ways to do 38 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: it that I don't think the mp A does. Yes, 39 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: So how how I just wanted to float that early on. Okay, 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: I think that was probably smart. Okay, Um, I don't 41 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: have kids, so I don't really whatever, But I mean 42 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: I can understand the value of that kind of thing. Yeah, 43 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: but it gives you an idea of Like I like 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: having an idea what I'm about to see too. I 45 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: feel like I can tell just from watching a trailer 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: previusing a movie poster. I'm pretty um, I'm pretty intuitive 47 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to the marketing techniques of movies. Yeah, 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: but I think like being a film nerd, it's like, 49 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: is the New Uh? Is the New Avengers movie gonna 50 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: be rated R? That really tells you something. It won't be. No, 51 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: it never would be, because PG thirteen is the the 52 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: h that's the strike zone these days. It really is. 53 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Apparently PG thirteen movies pull in more money than all 54 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: other ratings combined. And it's a relatively new phenomenon. You 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: want to talk about its origin, let's do it. So 56 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: back in a man named Steven Spielberg had two movies out. 57 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: Who Steven Spielberg right? Uh? He directed one, Indiana Jones 58 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: and The Temporary Doom, and he produced another, Gremlins, and 59 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: both of them caught. He caught a lot of heat 60 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: from both of them. Sure, Indiana Jones for the heart 61 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: removal scene specifically, Yeah, but also the snake, the live 62 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: snake at the feast thing, yea, all the snake babies, 63 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the eyeballs, all that stuff. Uh. And then with Gremlins, 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: it was just downright terrifying in a lot of different places, 65 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: especially if you're a kid. And the reason he caught 66 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: heat was because both of those movies were rated PG. 67 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: And so, uh, Spielberg went to the m p a A, 68 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: the Motion Picture Association of America, and said, let's do 69 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: something about this because he's clearly aren't our movies, but 70 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: they apparently aren't PG movies either, so maybe we should 71 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: come with something in between. And PG thirteen was born. Yeah, 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: and this was before he had all this way in 73 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: the world. He was influential, but it wasn't like Spielberg today, 74 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: who could have just waved his wand and made it happen. Yeah, 75 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: but I think even at the time he was important. 76 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: He Yeah, there were very few directors at that time 77 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: who could have gotten something like that done too. But um, 78 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: so that's where PG thirteen came from. And uh that, 79 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: like you said, that's the strike zone now. And the 80 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: reason why is because that is the kind of movie 81 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: that caters to um, young teenage boys who apparently are 82 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: the most successful at getting girls to go to movies 83 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: with them. So if you can get a movie rated 84 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: PG thirteen, you're going to make a bunch of money. 85 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Plus it makes sense, it's right there in the middle. Yeah, 86 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: you know. But the problem is it's become a means 87 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: of almost advertising that rating rather than cautioning parents. It's 88 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: a way of attracting the audience. It's like, this isn't 89 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: some kids PG movie. This is as close to an 90 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: OUR movie as you can get in Yeah, and I 91 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: think filmmakers try to achieve that rating, um by either 92 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: scaling back their our rated movie, or juicing up their 93 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: PG movie or adding more violence. Apparently PG thirteen movies 94 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: are um have tripled in violence over the last like 95 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: a few decades, and um they now have, according to 96 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: one study, more violence than there are rated counterparts in 97 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: different kinds of violence that you didn't used to see. Yeah, 98 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: you know. Um, all right, I guess we should go 99 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: back in time a little bit. Let's is it way 100 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: back machine? Sure, let's go. Let's go a way back 101 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: in time in Hollywood. All right. It's Hollywood and Vine 102 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: is a viable intersection in Hollywood at the time, unlike now, 103 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: although people are gonna say no, they built that area 104 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: back up. Yeah. Uh, And that is when the m 105 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: p A was born in the early nineteen twenties. And 106 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: at the time it was up to local authorities or 107 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: your state or your municipality to either stamps something as 108 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: moral or immoral. Um, there were no ratings on movies. 109 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: And thanks to a guy named Will Hayes who was 110 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: the first president of the m p A, he installed 111 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: the Haze Code and said, um, you're either going to 112 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: pass or fail. It's either gonna be stamped demorl or moral. Right. 113 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: And the reason Will Hayes, who is the m p 114 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: a A president, came up with the Haze Code, which 115 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: was really extensive. It was like if you, uh, if 116 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: you talk about the government, it always has to be good. Uh, 117 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: sexuality has to be like repressed, and just basically how 118 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: you think about all movies from like the thirties and forties, 119 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: squeaky clean. Basically like the division between good and evil 120 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: is very clearly defined that the good guy always wins. 121 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: And if you didn't fall into that Haze code, like 122 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: you said, your movie would be stamped immoral. But the 123 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: whole reason he came up with this code was because 124 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: local municipalities could pass their own obscenity laws and that 125 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: could be bad for business. So then not even get 126 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: your film exhibited. Um. So remember we're in the A c. 127 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: L U episode where we're talking about that one Um, 128 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: that one movie that New York just the Catholic said no, 129 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: you can't show that here, and the A C. L 130 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: You went to work getting getting the Catholics beaten in court, right, 131 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: even though it was just a bad movie something to 132 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: do with well, I mean it did, but it shouldn't 133 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: have been shown because it was so terrible. Was it bad? 134 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't remember. Yeah, I mean it was supposed to 135 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: be not very good. Um, but it happened like that 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: kind of thing happened a lot like local, local town 137 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: said no, we're not going to show that movie. So 138 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: Hayes figured out if if Hollywood policed itself, then they 139 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: could control what, you know, what movies came out, and 140 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: therefore everybody could make a bunch of money. That's right, 141 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: and that's the point of the n p A. There 142 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: the lobbying arm of six major Hollywood studios there there, 143 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: they work for them. Yeah, well yeah, that's one way 144 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: to say it. But they and it's just those six too, 145 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: isn't it. Uh well, yeah, I mean you. There's definitely 146 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: an argument. These days the independent filmmakers have a much 147 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: rougher time with the m B a UM, but most 148 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: of the indies too, are eventually distributed by the majors. Anyway, 149 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: I got you. You know what I'm saying. Uh So, 150 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: flash forward a bit in our way back machine to 151 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Things changed a little bit after World 152 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: War Two and people, I guess the easiest way to 153 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: say is people loosen up a little bit and didn't 154 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: mind certain elements in their entertainment any longer. Yes, A 155 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: big example this article uses Frank Sinatra got an Oscar 156 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: nomination for playing a heroin Addict and the Man with 157 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: a Golden Arm. And that couldn't happen in the nineties. No, 158 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: millions of people hadn't died in World War two yet, 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: that's right. I imagine that kind of loosens you up 160 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: as far as the seeing Chris words and stuff in 161 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: movies goes. Yeah, like that's not a big deal, Like 162 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: World War two is a big deal. Get your haunches 163 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: down exactly. That was the that was the big one, 164 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: the big first crack to the Hayes Code. Uh, and 165 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: then there were I think that you said he won 166 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: an oscar, right, Yeah, it was a really good movie, 167 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: and that kind of opened the floodgate, so that by 168 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: the end of the fifties you've got some like a 169 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: hot and Tony Curtis and Jack Lemon are dressed like 170 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: women hitting on Marilyn Monroe and um. At that point, 171 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: it was pretty obvious the Hayes Code was dead. Yeah, 172 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't passing the code, but they were 173 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: still getting released. So once something is subverted like that, 174 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: it's it's dead in the water, right, So there was 175 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: a that was fine for a little while. I think 176 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: the Hayes Code just kind of fell to the wayside 177 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: and people were releasing movies without any kind of moral 178 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: or immoral stamp. But the rating system as we understand 179 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: it today hadn't come about yet, so it's kind of 180 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: a limbo period until and a store owner in New 181 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: York with the last name of Ginsburg got busted for 182 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: selling nudy mags to sixteen year old boys, and he 183 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: took it all the way to the Supreme Court saying, 184 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: you can't can't say anything about this there's federal laws 185 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: about obscenity, not local laws in the Supreme Court that 186 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: you know what, we really think it's up the local 187 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: municipalities to decide what they want their miners exposed to 188 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: or not. That got Hollywood's attention because all of a sudden, 189 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: local municipalities could decide whether or not they wanted to 190 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: show movies to minors or not, so that what was 191 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: old became new again. And Jack Valenti, who was in 192 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: charge of the m p a A, said we need 193 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: another system of self another self policing system, and he 194 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: came up with the rating system that that we have today. 195 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: Yeah and he uh, I mean Jack Valenti was the 196 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: head of the NBA for close to forty years, and 197 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: he initially the intention was to stop censorship because he 198 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: feared that the movies were going to start being censored locally. 199 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: And so I think the the origins of the m 200 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: p a's rating system. We're we're arts centered, art center, 201 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: but also money centered, because again, if you have if 202 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: you have town A showing the movie, but Towns B 203 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: through L deciding that the movie is obscene and not 204 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: showing it, then you're losing that money and be through L. 205 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: So what Valenti came up with was this idea that 206 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: let us tell you what is appropriate for minors or 207 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: not what movie is, and we'll just make a simple 208 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: rating system g pg R or X the old X 209 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: and triple X, which wasn't even formally a rating, it 210 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: was just a marketing tool. Yeah. Yeah, because three x's 211 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: that's like whoa. I wonder if anybody ever came out 212 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: with one with four X or double X even yeah, 213 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: like we cut out that one part so X. Uh. Yeah. Christian, 214 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: our colleague here wrote a great blog post about the 215 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: former X rated movie. Is that right? Yeah, let's to 216 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: check that out. It's good for brain stuff, for stuff 217 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: of genius on the brain stuff blog earlier this year. 218 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: And you actually recommended it on your blog the X rating, 219 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah the best remember this week? Yeah, I remember recommending 220 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: one of his things. I just don't remember that one. 221 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: It's good. I thought about asking him in here, but 222 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: then I thought, yeah, we got it. Um so yeah, 223 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: back then it was G through X and um. Well 224 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: we'll talk about you know how that changed maybe after 225 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: this message break. All right, so no longer do we 226 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: have X rated movies. Now we have something I guess 227 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: we should just go through what these ratings mean today 228 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen. So you've got your G. She's 229 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: always been G. General audience. Anyone can see it. Yes, 230 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: and that's your your family cartoon that kids love and 231 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: parents are forced to go to. Right. Then you've got PG. 232 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: Um that means no drug use. Um, maybe a little violence, 233 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: because as will learn, the m p A has less 234 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: problems with violence and more problems with language and sex. 235 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: Huge criticism, huge criticism. Uh, PG thirteen, which we've you know, 236 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: kind of been through. Um. Then you've got your R 237 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: and that is no one under seven. This is a 238 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: suggestion that no one ever seventeen be admitted without a parent. 239 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: And uh, these aren't laws, though, that's one thing. It's 240 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: supportant to point out those are suggestions. And then theaters 241 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: have policies. Yes, it's let's kind of dig into that. 242 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: So none of this is legally binding. None of them 243 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: are anything more than recommendations. They're basically saying that this 244 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: movie has X amount of profanity or x amount of nudity, 245 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: or lacks any drug use or something like that. And 246 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: so for what the m p a A thinks the 247 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: average moral compass of the average American thinks about these 248 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: different things like sex, drugs, nudity, all that stuff. This 249 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,359 Speaker 1: movie falls into this rating. And again it's not enforceable. 250 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: You don't even need to have a rating to release 251 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: a movie. But if you want to get your movie 252 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: in theaters, there's basically no theater chain out there right now, 253 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: no major theater chain out there right now that will 254 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: show an unrated movie. Yeah, it's a completely voluntary system 255 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: to submit your film to the m p A ratings board. 256 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: But it's de fact though, but you have to do it. Yeah, 257 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: that's the rub is that they say it's voluntary, but 258 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: you actually have to pay a fee to submit your 259 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: movie if you ever want to have it shown in theaters, 260 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: right and the fee is anywhere from like twenty five 261 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: dollars for a big budget movie to seven fifty dollars 262 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: for a short um. And so you're you submit your movie. Well, 263 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: we'll get into it in a second. Let's talk some 264 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: more about the rest of the ratings. Yeah, well there's 265 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: only one more and that's n C seventeen, which replaced 266 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: X and that means, uh, this is and it basically 267 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: means that it's for adults on me and you should 268 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: not come in if you're under eighteen, right and also 269 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: means these days as foreign or about lesbian or gays. Exactly. Yeah, 270 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: not fully, but sure it's pretty close. Yeah. Um. And 271 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: NC seventeen. The first movie to come out with that 272 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: was Henry and June. Yeah, not to be confused with 273 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: Benny and June. Uh. And it basically sunk that movie 274 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: because everybody was like, oh, this is X now right 275 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: n C seventeen. If you jumble it all together, it 276 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: looks like X. And the whole reason they came up 277 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: with NC seventeen was to replace X because X was 278 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: associated exclusively with pornography in the minds of movie goers. Yeah, exactly. Um. Alright, 279 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: so let's get into this. The actual ratings board. There's 280 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: the m p a A, and then working for the 281 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: m p A is the Classification and Ratings Administration CARA, 282 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: and uh. CARRA doesn't say whether your movie stinks or not. 283 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: Carras eight to thirteen people, and they're called raiders, and 284 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: they are overseen by senior Raider and they sit down 285 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: and watch these movies and take copious notes on what 286 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: they think based on their standards. Is Uh, I don't 287 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: want to say offensive, but just noteworthy, Like maybe they're 288 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: not offended, but they think the average mom and Sheboygan 289 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: might be offended. Right, supposedly, but which is a kind 290 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: of a thing because the whole rating system, as you 291 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: just kind of pointed out, is a subjective, totally subjective. 292 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: They supposedly. Uh. Here, here's the other rub is it's 293 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: all secret, right. You can you can find out of 294 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: federal judges name and address, but you can't find out 295 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: who a raider is for your films. It's all conducted 296 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: in private. None of the stuff is released. And that's 297 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 1: one of the big rubs in that documentary and with 298 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: filmmakers in general, is it's all, you know, done behind 299 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: closed doors. There's never any explanations provided. These people are 300 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: supposed to have kids between ages of five and seventeen, 301 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: but many of them do not, right, either have kids 302 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: at all or have kids that are older than eighteen. Um, 303 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: it basically frees them up from any accountability. Yeah, to 304 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: do this all in private and in secrecy. And until 305 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: that movie, um By Kirby, what is Kirby's last name? 306 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: Henry and June No, No, the the documentary, Oh yeah, 307 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: this film is not yet right, and yeah when until 308 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: Kirby Dicks, um, this film is not yet rated came out, 309 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: like all of this stuff was just conjection, conjecture and 310 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: Hollywood legend. He was the first one to really basically 311 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: he tailed these people, tailed them to lunch to find 312 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: out who they were and eaves drop on them and 313 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: like did some digging and found like these anonymous people 314 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: did not fall into the requirements that the m p 315 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: A said they did, and so not only was it 316 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: in secret, it was it was fraudulent. Basically, this rating system, 317 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: so according to the standards, you submit your film, this 318 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: group of people, this anonymous group of people, watch it, 319 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: they rate it, and then they come together and vote 320 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: on a rating, and then they passed. There there um 321 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: vote along to a senior rat who talks to the 322 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: movies distributor or director or producer says, here's the rating, 323 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: here's why we rated it like this, and then you 324 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: you're faced with a choice. You can accept the rating. 325 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: You can edit your film as per the uh C 326 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: A r a S recommendations. Take out these bad words, 327 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: cut the sex scene a little early, leave all the violence, yeah, um, 328 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: or you can reject the rating and just release your 329 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: movie is unrated, which, well, you can try to release it, 330 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: but since no one will show it, it's really sort 331 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: of a misnomer, right, But it's because, I mean increasingly 332 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: a thing again, you need the rating to get your 333 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: movie shown in movie theaters. But what happens if you 334 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: don't care if your movie comes out in theaters, video 335 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: on demand, yeah, or just releasing it to the internet. Now, 336 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm curious about that. How that's going to change the landscape. Well, 337 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: right now, it's a huge threat to the m p 338 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: a A because all of the power they wield is 339 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: found in this rating system. And if for theaters, yes, 340 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: if no one's going to theaters, then the m p 341 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: a A A loses all of that power, which is a 342 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: big deal, especially now because the m p A is 343 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: needed more than ever as a lobbying group because of 344 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: online piracy, which we'll talk about some more. So it's 345 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: a very precarious time for the m p A right now, 346 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: and it's a terrible time for them to be under 347 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: as much scrutiny and public attack and critique as they are. 348 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: So it's I mean, they got spears sticking out every 349 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: which way, and their trunk is flailing in their honking. 350 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: That is true. One thing I should point out I 351 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: said it is that there's no accountability. That's what the 352 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: n p A says. It's the good thing about the 353 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: secrecy is that it frees them up. That anonymity does. 354 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: It frees them up from accountability. Um, I just don't agree, right, Okay, 355 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: So the uh, if you want to appeal there there 356 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: was apparently a change made in response to Kirby Dick's movie. Um, 357 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: the documentary before if you were appealing your rating, which 358 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: is very difficult. Um, almost never was done and you 359 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: never want that's for sure, right, And when you were appealing, 360 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: you couldn't reference any other film. It was totally done 361 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: in a vacuum, which is pretty preposterous. Yeah, Like that's 362 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: the only way to be able to sell us. Like, 363 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: wait a minute, if you said this about this, then 364 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: why not this for my movie? Which meant that there 365 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: was no real standard, yeah that that you could point to, 366 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: or there were standards you could point to, they just 367 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't be considered. Yeah, or at the very least, if 368 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: they do have written standards, they don't release them, so 369 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: you don't even know what they are. Right. So, Um, 370 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: the m p a A is Uh, they've got their 371 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: rating system, they've got the appeals process, which was also 372 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: in secret, unless that's changed, right I think. I think 373 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: the appeals board not only was the appeals board and secret, 374 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: but they weren't even just raiders. They were people from 375 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: the industry, right, and the Theater Owners Association exactly, whereas 376 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: the people who were raiders are supposedly unaffiliated with the 377 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: movie industry and are just like average ordinary parents representing uh, Europe, 378 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Middle America. We'll just call it, even though I think 379 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: that's insulting. The thing is, though, is a lot of 380 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: people criticize the mp A and say, these raiders are 381 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: UM really representing the six major studios who rake in 382 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: the ten point nine billion dollars made in the United 383 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: States UM in theaters alone, just ticket sales, not DVD 384 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: or anything like that. UM. And that's what the m 385 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: p a A does in addition to rating. They are, 386 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: like we said, the lobby arm for these six studios, 387 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: that's right, And they I guess we should talk about 388 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: piracy now, huh. That's one of their other big besides 389 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: from rating movies, they are heavy in the lobby against 390 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: UM well, especially now with online piracy because the digital 391 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: distribution network is uh, it seems like the way forward 392 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: as far as distribution goes, right, Like it's the future. 393 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: It's not the future, it's the present and the future. 394 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: And the m p A has a they're accused of 395 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: UM basically trying to quell new technology. Yeah, by just 396 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: saying like, well, let's just keep people from peer to 397 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: peer file sharing in total so that they can't steal movies. 398 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: In part UM and if you go back to the 399 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: early eighties, Jack Valenti was known to have UM railed 400 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: and lobbied against the legality of VCRs. UM people are 401 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: just gonna be recording things and handing them out to 402 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: their friends exactly, So there was a The n p 403 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: A is a long history of basically like just doing 404 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: anything at Canada stifle innovation in order to protect the 405 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: profits of these big movie studios. The other problem with 406 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: them lobbying UM in favor of the six movie studios 407 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: is that they inherently have a conflict of interest against 408 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: the studios that are not part of these six that 409 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: they represent, but whose movies they still rate. So they've 410 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: been accused of UM more scrupulously or scrutinously rating the 411 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: movies of rival studios or foreign studios when assigning a rating. Well, 412 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: and that's why filmmakers call consistently for transparency. It's it's 413 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there are many filmmakers out there saying 414 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: there should be no rating, we should just maybe some 415 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: like a large Fontier, you know, verna Hertzog. They're probably 416 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: no way things at all, But I think they just 417 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: want transparency, like open it up and let everyone know 418 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: how this is all done, who these people are, and 419 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: give us an idea on what in the world we're 420 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: submitting to voluntarily, quote unquote. Pretty interesting. So you were 421 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: talking about online piracy um and with digital distribution being 422 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: a big deal now, the m p AS needed more 423 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: than ever because they have to lobby Congress to fight 424 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: online piracy at a time when more and more people 425 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: are distributing online and going around the m p a A. 426 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: So it's losing its power, but it needs its power 427 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: more than ever. So, like we said, it's a precarious 428 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: time for the m p a A. And they tried 429 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: a few things. They were successful with the uh what 430 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: was the first one in two thousand, the Digital No 431 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which basically that up until 432 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: then it wasn't a federal crime to share movies on 433 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: peer to peer networks. That one did it, and they 434 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: got that passed. The m p a A lobbied and 435 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: got that passed. They've cracked out on camcorder recording, yea. 436 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: Like when you're in New York City and someone has 437 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: a brand new copy of Godzilla on a video cassette 438 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: for you, it's because, if you've seen Seinfeld, someone went 439 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: and set in that theater with a camera recorder and 440 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: just made a stupid, awful quality pirated version. Yeah, and 441 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: it says that those are the most common. I guess 442 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: I kind of believe that they're also the worst quality. 443 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: Like sometimes people will like get up and move in 444 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: front of the camera, like to go to the bathroom 445 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: or something, and yeah, it's I've never seen one, but 446 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: I think they're terrible. Um much. I don't want to say. 447 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: More common, but probably more common these days are like 448 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: copies of screeners, Like they send out DVDs to everybody 449 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: who's members of the Academy to vote on move these 450 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: and so. Around Oscar time or before Oscar time, it 451 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: seems like the Internet gets flooded with way more high 452 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: quality copies of these major movies that are up for awards. Yeah, 453 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: I think now they have, um, thanks to the n 454 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: p A, have something coded to your name now on 455 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: your copy, so like they'll know who leaked it or whatever. 456 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: I think so, but I'm not surprised by that. Um. Apparently, 457 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: if you want to show uh Frozen at your church, yeah, 458 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: you better have a public performance license because it is 459 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: illegal to show a movie outside of your home. Yeah, 460 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: that surprised me. But there are a lot of especially 461 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: in the summertime, a lot of community screenings, like every 462 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: city now has uh. You know, Atlanta shows them in uh. 463 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: I think at Oakland Cemetery, some other places in New York. 464 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: They have them all over the place. And technically, yeah, 465 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: they're supposed to have a license to do so, I'm 466 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: sure they do the big ones. Yeah, the big ones, 467 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure due. But like at your COMMUNNY pool when 468 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: you want to show E T and Uh, the Feds 469 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: could come kick the gate down around the pool. I 470 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: bet they don't love HBO these days because you know, 471 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: HBO go um people steal that. They're just like, hey, dude, 472 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: what's your log in? And HBO came out and there, like, 473 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: who cares people are watching it? Yeah, go watch a 474 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: True Detective. Maybe you'll sign up for HBO because you 475 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: liked it, or maybe you'll just support the show period 476 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: on social media, even though you're getting it for free. 477 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: Like we're making enough money basically, yes, And that's something 478 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: that a lot of people say, you know, film industry, 479 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: we don't really feel that bad for you, Sean Austin 480 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: sit down, because you guys made ten point nine billion 481 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: dollars in America in ticket sales alone in two thousand thirteen. 482 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: We don't feel that bad about this whole conundrum that 483 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: the m p a a Is facing here the voices 484 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: or yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I don't think I knew that. 485 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah he was. I can't remember that. There was like 486 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: a whole um kind of push an anti piracy pushed 487 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: a few years back, and he was the face of it, 488 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, and he looked really mad about 489 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: things too. But um, speaking of piracy, I remember there 490 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: was a story that came out recently. It was if 491 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: you think about it at first, it's like wow wow, 492 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: But then if if you really kind of lend lended 493 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: some thought, it's really disturbing. Um, there were there was 494 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: a report of prisoners at a prison being shown pirated movies, 495 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: and some of the prisoners were there for pirating movies, 496 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: and I like, really think about the injustice behind that, Like, 497 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: that's just crazy town. Imagine if you've been like selling 498 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: counterfeit first and you go to prison and all of 499 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: the all the guards are wearing counterfeit for co would 500 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: be pretty swing in prison. It would be weird, but 501 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: it would also be unjust. Yeah, yeah, true. But in 502 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: relation to this is just more and more widespread every day. 503 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: It feels like it's it's a losing battle. I think 504 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: that the m p A is fighting right now. Well, 505 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: I think I read somewhere today that they think they 506 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: might release a few of the Raiders names per film, 507 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: not all like thirteen. But I need to look up that. 508 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Look that up again, because that I don't know. I 509 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: don't see the while releasing a three out of thirteen names, 510 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: does anybody any good? It does zero good? Uh? And 511 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: speaking of doing zero good? Um, the this there's kind 512 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: of a new attachment to the rating system that they 513 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: have now. It's called check the box, and um it's 514 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: it's basically a brief description of why a movie is 515 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: like PG. Thirteen, so it'll say like intense sci fi 516 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: action or something like that, or yeah, that kind of thing. Um. 517 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: And some critics of the m p a A say 518 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: it's just basically like shooting a laser beam into like 519 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: a fifteen year old boy's brain, like brief nudity. Come 520 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: see it PG thirteen. Check that out, kid, Um. And 521 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are looking at it 522 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: like it's it's just kind of a disingenuous advertisement, cynical advertisement, 523 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: because the the m p a A is accused of 524 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: not regulating or even potentially directly marketing to kids under 525 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: the age of the movies that are being advertised. So 526 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: like you're seeing a lot of ads for like R 527 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: rated movies on websites that are like very popular among 528 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: like the seventeen and undercrowd. Um, there's a lot of 529 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: tie ins for PG thirteen movies with like kids toys 530 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: for kids who are under who are under thirteen. Um. 531 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: And so there's like this idea that there's the m 532 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: p a A is supposedly serving America's moral moral compasses, 533 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: but really at the same time they're undermining that morality 534 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: that they're supposedly defending. By marketing and exploiting kids. Yeah, 535 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: that'd be like a cigarette company having a cartoon animal 536 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: as their mascot. Can you imagine the weird? Uh? Well, 537 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: one thing about the the subjectivity of it and the 538 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: fact that it is a closed book, and they filmmakers 539 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: and even know, you know what, how to tailor their 540 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: movie to achieve a certain rating, I mean to within 541 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: a certain degree. But they've learned how to manipulate it 542 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: because there is no set standard by if you watch 543 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: that film is not irrated. And you've heard plenty of 544 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: stories over the years about filmmakers intentionally putting in things 545 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: that they never intend to be in the final movie 546 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: just to sort of distract from some of the other things. 547 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: So they'll shoot something kind of really outrageous, uh, to 548 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: get the m p A's Raiders haunches up and what 549 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: they were never going to keep that part anyway. So 550 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: they're subverting the system because there is no set standard, 551 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: and they're just the stuff they want to keep in 552 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: is comparatively exactly more palatable. And if you don't have 553 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: the set standard, where you can go and I wonder 554 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: what those sheets look like on the interior, you know, 555 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's the great mystery. Surely they have their 556 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: own interior standards. They're not just like watch it and 557 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: see what you think. Well, they have group discussions. To man, 558 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to sit out on those, so the uh 559 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: I read. Another criticism of the m p A is 560 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: that the difference between PG thirteen movies and our movies 561 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: these days is the profanity and the sexuality. Um, that 562 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: they're similar in violence, if not more violent in PG 563 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: thirteen movies, and that this is kind of messed up 564 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: that the m p a A has very little problem 565 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: with violence, but when it comes to bad words or 566 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: sexuality of almost any nature except for women being objectified 567 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: and men being gratified. Um, then the m p a 568 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: A suddenly puckers up. Well, yeah, and any a woman 569 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: a cheating receiving sexual gratification or homosexual couple n Yeah, 570 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: virtually like guaranteed or depending on how they do it, 571 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: are if it's coming out of like one of the 572 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: major studios. So in other words, a man can receive 573 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: pleasure from a woman, and of course it's scrutinized somewhat, 574 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: because any kind of sex is more heavily scrutinized than violence. 575 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: But if a woman does like you said, or if 576 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: it's a gay couple, it's all over so homophobic, misogynistic, 577 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: do you decide right? And um fetishistic of violence, you know, yeah. 578 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: Like here's one example. There's a great article called don't 579 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: expect any major changes to the n p A rating System, 580 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: and it's basically Chris Dodd, who's the new head and 581 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: the gang, digging in and saying, you know what, we 582 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: talked to your average parents and we pull them and 583 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: this is what they want. Um. But they released none 584 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: of those studies released, none of those conversations released. Um. 585 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: A movie like Filomena, which you saw, was rated to 586 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: our Yeah. It was about a lady looking for a 587 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: long lost son. It was so far from an our movie. 588 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. Yeah. But it had a couple of 589 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: F bombs in it. Um, So they cut those out 590 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: and they bring it to a PG thirteen. You might think, 591 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: who cares cut up the F bombs make it PG thirteen. 592 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: But there's something bigger going on here, you know. Yeah, 593 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: there's a great A V Club article about, um, how 594 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: just totally out of step. A lot of the ratings 595 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: are and they have fifteen movies listed and basically talk 596 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: about their ratings. Um, like the first one they talk 597 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: about once that romantic. Um, it wasn't like a romantic comedy, wasn't. No, 598 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: I would say it was a sweet just a modern 599 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: day romance told through music. It wasn't a musical, but 600 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of musical numbers. Highly inoffensive love story. Yeah, 601 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: very sweet movie. Uh, it had the same rating as 602 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: hostile to just basically torture porn. They both got the 603 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: same rating. Yeah should we should read this first line 604 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: from the A B Club. In early summer of two 605 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: thousand seven, two films were released with R ratings. One 606 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: featured a scene where a naked woman is suspended from 607 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: a ceiling while another naked woman slashes her with a 608 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: scythe and base in her blood. The other featured to 609 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: Dublin musicians singing songs together, falling in love and opting 610 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 1: not to act on it, like there was never any 611 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: sex scene. They didn't even get together. Really. They're both rated. 612 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: Are both rated are because of profanity Rushmore rated R 613 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: for the scene at the end whether Max is putting 614 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: on the play the Vietnam play, and there is a 615 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: shot of a couple of little kids looking at on 616 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: on the set. There's some Playboy centerfolds up in the 617 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: locker like on the Vietnam set, and these it shows 618 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: these little kids like looking at those like a twelve 619 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: year old would probably do an for that, got an 620 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: R for that happiness. Todd Solins one of my favorite 621 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: movies of all time. Yeah. Uh, they tried to give 622 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: it an n C seventeen rating, and he said, you 623 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: know what, I'm not cutting anything. You can just go 624 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: take a long walk off a short pier, is what 625 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: I think he famously said to them. And uh, he 626 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: released his movie as unrated. Really, yep, I don't think 627 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: I knew that the way to go, Todd Solins. Or 628 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: if you're looking at some serious homophobia, um, the great 629 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: N nine movie A Longtime Companion features no real sex 630 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: acts at all, nothing explicit. Um. In fact, the A 631 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: B Club says it could show on network TV today 632 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: with just a few alterations. Um, but it was about 633 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: a gay couple and uh so I got an n 634 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: C seventeen. Yeah. There's something called Afternoon Delight, which was 635 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: a um a movie about a woman who hires a 636 00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: gigelow and apparently is heavy on the The woman receiving 637 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: sexual gratification. It got an R rating despite and it 638 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: got an R rating after apparently the director cut a 639 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: lot of stuff out and the director said, what the 640 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: hey after um Wolf of Wall Street came out, like 641 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: have you seen this movie with like some very graphic 642 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: apparent sex scenes between a man and a woman. But 643 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio is the one enjoying it the most, So 644 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: it's fine. It's an our, right, blue is the warmest color. Yeah. 645 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: Last year that a teenage lesbian love story and got 646 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of attention, And there were some theaters that allowed, uh, 647 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: high school age kids to go see that anyway, because again, 648 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: this is in law, it's not binding. It's up to 649 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: the theaters. Yeah, it's just so strange that such a 650 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: small group of people have such influence on such a 651 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: large industry. And yeah, the more you dig into it, 652 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: the more conflicts of interest arise, and the more r 653 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: trary the standards become, the more blood boiling it is. 654 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: I highly recommend you go read some stuff like rated 655 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: R for ridiculous by Kirby Dick his Little uh his 656 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: Little um op ed about the m P A a 657 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: UM that one u s news and World Report article 658 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: you wrote or suggested was good. I wish I wrote 659 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: it had you been Uh, there would have been used correctly. 660 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: How did they misuse it? What? Yeah, I know, and 661 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 1: that's terrible. Uh So the mp A will defend themselves 662 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: and they say that there's no such bias and that 663 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: we all these objectionable scenes are rated on the graphic 664 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: quality and how graphic it is. Um But if you 665 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: just look at the you'd have to be a dummy 666 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: nut to see these correlations. And the fact that they 667 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: don't seem to care that much about violence in this 668 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: age where I don't know, does it influence people to 669 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: go shoot up a school? Who knows? Did you see 670 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: that John Oliver quote that's a going around, Yes, but 671 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: what was it? It's like somebody unsuccessfully tries to carry 672 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: a bomb onto a plane in their shoe. We all 673 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: take our shoes off. There's like thirty something school shootings 674 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: after Columbine and absolutely nothing's changed. Or the onion article 675 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: that's going around two now is this is something that 676 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: can't be prevented, says the only country where this kind 677 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: of thing happens all the time, something like that. I'm paraphrasing. Oh, Yeah, 678 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: that's the onion. Yeah, good stuff. Np A. Keep keep 679 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: doing the fighting, the good fight. Yeah good check out, Like, 680 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: just go start reading up on it. It's funny how 681 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: much we just take this stuff for granted, but when 682 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: just start digging just slightly beneath the surface at the 683 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: very least. See this film is not yet rated. It's 684 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,240 Speaker 1: really good, um, really engrossing. And you know, for every 685 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: hundred documentaries that come out, what five of them are 686 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: like really great? Most of them are pretty good Summer terror. Well, 687 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: so any really good one is worth seeing just in 688 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: and of itself. Agreed. Uh. If you want to learn 689 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 1: more about the m p a A, type those letters 690 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: into the search part house to works dot Com and 691 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: I said, search parts, it's time for listener mail. Uh. 692 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this wild Parrots um. Josh mentioned in 693 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: the Tattoo podcasts that he had heard parrots like to 694 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: hang together wind free, and I wanted to burst in 695 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 1: the podcast booth and tell you about the wild parrots 696 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: of San Francisco. I'm not gonna get into it except 697 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: to say that over the course of my life, the 698 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: parrots in San Francisco were sort of living legend that 699 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 1: one would occasionally get the privilege of spotting now and then. However, 700 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: about three years ago, I moved in with my aunt 701 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: in the little San Francisco suburb of Brisbane, and apparently 702 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: the famous flocks of parrots were also making their home there. 703 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: Since it was warmer unless windy. Uh, these parrots were 704 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: often hanging right outside my bedroom window, which is pretty amazing. 705 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, she says, amusing. I say it's amazing, 706 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: but also somewhat annoying, especially since my first son was 707 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: just a little guy then and a very light sleeper. 708 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: And these suckers are loud, That is true, they are 709 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: very loud. Also, guys, I'm sending you the link to 710 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: watch the preview of the two thousand three documentary The 711 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: Wild Parents of Telegraph Hill. So I didn't know there 712 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: was a documentary. I've heard that. I've heard of that before, 713 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: I never knew what it was about. Amy. I will 714 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: check that out. Thank you, thank you for writing it. Yeah, 715 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Amy. Uh. 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