WEBVTT - #369 - Vic Mensa 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.160 What's going on y'all? This is Vic Mensa and I'm 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.440 on a bootleg cav podcast. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.840 Bootleg CAB podcast special guests in here, my guy. His 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.640 new album is coming out September fifteenth. I can't even 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.919 believe that this is only your second album full length, yeah, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:23.280 which is crazy, because Jesus, it's been a long journey, man, 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:24.200 Vic Mensis here. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:25.960 Peace, peace, Thank you for having me. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.400 Yes, sir man, it is kind of crazy to think, like, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.559 I know you just did like the internet tape in 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:34.280 its entirety with chance. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.720 Was it two shows you did? Second show is in 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:39.639 la or September twenty. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.000 One, Okay, so that's still coming. How many years ago 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:44.200 is that? Ten years now? 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.279 It was ten years this year, crazy, September thirtieth will 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.880 be the ten year. How are you feeling right now? Though? 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:51.040 Man? 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.360 You've had feeling good, Man, feeling good. I'm feeling super blessed. Man. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:59.640 It's just grateful, inspired, motivated, a lot of clarity focused. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:00.720 You know what I'm saying. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.280 You've had one of the more interesting journeys in rap. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.839 You've been obviously you know, a part of an amazing 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.080 group that I feel like kind of kicked down the 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.640 doors of a lot of what you know, that early 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:15.560 Chicago wave that you and Chance were a part of. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.880 Shot the kids these days fast forward. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.640 Because it was on tour with Asher Roth. Was that 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:22.360 when I first. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.040 Yeah, when I first met you, you guys came in 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:25.960 freestyle at the radio. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.440 It was that Phoenix. That was the middle of the 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.480 night too. It's like after after the show, Yeah, Phoenix, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:33.520 we was mobbed up. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.440 Yeah, who else was there was a Chuck English? 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:42.040 Chuck English was there too? Maybe Buddy, I old Buddy 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.360 was on the tour, but from l A, Yeah, Buddy dude, 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:47.240 I don't know if he was. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.280 I didn't even know about him back then. So that's 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:51.400 crazy because I. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.760 Come to think of it like he was definitely with us, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.120 and I don't think I all the way put it 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.639 together later down the line, when I reconnected with Buddy 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.560 in the studio with Pharrell, you know, because he was 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.520 signing for real for sometime and but I had first 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.240 gotten a normal tour with Asher, he was just like, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.840 you know, they're crazy young homie, know, I mean always 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:16.959 smoking and crip walking. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.720 I think was that the Paps and Jazz tour? 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.120 That was Paps and Jazz shout to shout out to 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:25.799 Asher Roth, that's my boy, man. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.600 Great guy. But you just had such a crazy journey, man. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:33.640 I mean, you know, obviously to only have like you 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.240 have to meet classic bodies of work, but to like 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.440 actually think, like damn, you really only have two full 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.960 length albums, like this is your second one coming out 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.600 on the fifteenth. Why Victor? 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.799 And why why now? I called it Victor because it's 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.440 a very personal album and I think it represents me, 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.200 like as a human being, and that's that's me before nicknames, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.639 you know what I'm saying. And I had a revelation 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.600 about my name when I was doing Mushrooms in the 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.760 Woods Amazing, always a great time. You know. I took 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.760 my moms to do Mushrooms in the Woods Amazing recently. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.959 That was fire nice. And I had a revelation about 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.600 my name just in that, Like I realized, man, it's 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.960 so much in a name, and oftentimes the names that 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.680 were given almost predict the lives that we lead. You know. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.440 I was named Victor in honor of my most famous 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.600 ancestor on my father's side. My father's from Ghana. My 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.880 entire family lives over there, and the most famous ancestor 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.600 in his lineage. His name brotem Noma from you know, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.840 many centuries ago, and he fought against British invasion into Africa. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.880 And I was named victor in honor of his victories. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.320 And I was sitting there in the woods and I'm 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.440 just thinking about it, and I was realizing, man like, 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.440 he fought for freedom all those hundreds of years ago 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:07.360 and I was just named that and fast forward here 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.040 I am like freeing people from prison and helping get 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.760 people off death row. And it was almost like just 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.320 a revelation that this path was laid out for me. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:22.280 And I think even in reflecting upon the ups and downs, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.760 the struggles, the fight, you know what I mean, just 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:31.520 a sense of perseverance is that like I'm programmed to win. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.560 I'm programmed to live through things because I am victor. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.280 I'm the victor, you know what I'm saying. But to 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.239 be the victor, you have to have a fight. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:41.880 You got to have a fight to win, you know 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:42.160 what I mean. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.000 You have to have a fight to win. And I 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.240 would characterize, you know, my time in music and the 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.880 music industry much in that way, you know what I mean? 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.599 It has been a battle. I think our first battle though, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:00.200 as human beings is with ourselfs, you know, so eight 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.280 and coming into music, predating me meeting Bootleg keV when 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.880 I was a teenager, you know, that battle with myself 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.560 on that tour. I was seventeen. Jesus Christ. I have 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:10.880 more of a beer than than that. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.719 Sure, a lot more hairy, scruffy. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.560 Yeah, for real, I don't think I've changed my clothes 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:22.400 that whole tour like crazy. It's on YouTube watching, yeah, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.680 you know, predating all those things that battle with self existed, 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.159 and I think coming into music, I say that whatever 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.200 you got going on is just going to be magnified, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.240 you know what I'm saying. So the talent, the genius, 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:44.760 the charisma, the creativity magnified. Also the insecurities, you know, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:51.560 the depression, the addiction, like the addictive personality, all those things, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.960 it's just magnified. And coming in to this industry that 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.200 is so doggy dog chew you up and spit you out. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:04.440 For sure, I think everything was just everything was just magnified. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.240 So it's really been a fight. But I named the 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.920 album that because the album is like really a story 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:14.640 of redemption and me expressing a lot of gratitude for 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.560 being able to live through that fight because a lot 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.200 of young rappers don't get that chance. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.599 I was gonna say, did you have like because I 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.679 feel like so not just artists, but specifically artists because 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.000 you guys are under a lot of public scrutiny. But 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.160 did you because you're You're so much more than an artist, right, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.320 And sometimes fans will just look at you through like 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.440 the music lens as opposed to like who you are 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:37.960 as a human being? Right? And I think a lot 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.560 of us get so wrapped up and associating our identity 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:43.320 with our refreession. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:44.080 Right. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.000 And there's some people are like, well, what are you 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.919 if your profession goes away? What are you if radio 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.760 goes away? What are you if hip hop goes away? 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.279 Did you have like a hard time getting because you 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.920 had a lot of eyes on you in terms of 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.719 like the you know what I'm saying, Kanye Co signs 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.360 the Rockefeller shit that you know, was there a point 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.520 in time where you like kind of came to like, yo, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.480 I got to kind of like remember who I am 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.640 and separate who vic Men's is and what who like 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.240 hip hop sies me as and who I am as 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:17.000 like a human being? 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.120 You know, what I'm saying, I think that's a constant 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:24.440 thing is to recognize that my identity as a human 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:29.120 being and as like a spiritual being is not the 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.760 same as my Instagram right, right, right, right right. I'm saying, like, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.600 this thing does not represent me in totality, and I 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.840 think that our propensity as people that live in a 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.920 public eye can be to place all weight in that. 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.760 But type of music I make and the art I 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:56.480 create that I strive to create isn't something that's based 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:02.080 on fame or clout or money or you know, anything 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.240 like that. That's never been my north star. I mean, 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.240 that's never been why I started to do this. I 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:15.040 think oftentimes in today's hip hop, especially like it's a 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.440 means to an end, you know what I mean, people 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.360 are like, man, I wanted to do this because I 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.560 saw they was rich. I wanted to get rich, right, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.280 you know, which is great, But that was never and 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.920 has never been my mo That was never why I 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.480 started doing this. You know, I was inspired to do 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:36.320 this because the way Common talked on records spoke to me. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.640 It gave me perspective about myself, you know, I mean, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:44.400 the way Tupac talked on record helped me through tough shit, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.480 you know, as a child and as a man, and 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.439 those are the reasons why I started to do this. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:57.120 So getting in that position, you know, to be there 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:03.280 with the people that I idolized coming into this. Although that's 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:09.160 amazing and that's like a dream come true, that's still 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.240 not the main reason why I ever did this. But 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.880 you could get caught up in that though. I was 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.839 out of a convo with no Idea the other day. Man, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.680 you know, he was like, He's like, yeah, you got 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.280 tossed into the motherfucking like the whirlwind. No, you know 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:27.200 what I mean, jay Z Beyonce in the mix of that. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.040 But like I said, it's like you still got that 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.880 magnifying glass on everything that was there before, you know. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.680 So something I've been exploring in this album and speaking 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.600 about a lot is the power of my words and 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.240 the power of my thoughts, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.640 And from the time when I was five years old, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.720 I found a notebook that was full of suicidal writings, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.600 you know from me that you wrote that I wrote 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.280 when I was five years old, And so I kind 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:05.040 of always had a certain programming towards depression, and you know, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:12.200 those things will inevitably, if allowed to fester, come to pass, 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.800 you know. So at the same time as I always 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.199 wanted to be great, you know, I always was feeding 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:25.240 this voice in my head that wanted to destroy me 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.839 at the same time. So even though I achieved greatness, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:36.000 I still had no sense of how to calm down 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.600 that innate urge for self destruction that was in there, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.120 you know. So I could be, you know, on a 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:45.679 tour with jay Z, you know what I mean, in 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.960 front of thirty thousand people a night, and still be 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.120 like depressed, you know what I mean, and not living 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.200 in the moment, not living in the moment, not knowing 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.760 how right, and being like I never even thought it 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.959 was possible to impact act those thoughts, you know what 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.480 I'm saying. So a lot of the things I think 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.719 that people might have seen, you know, and the behaviors 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:15.720 that what happening simultaneously, that was just the manifestation of 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.480 that other side of my brain, that voice in my head. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.600 I think a lot of people experience, like, man, you 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.880 don't deserve this, you know what I mean, you might 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.200 you're not worth it. In imposter syndrome, that's a real thing. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.760 You could be really who you think you are, have 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.000 a voice in your head telling you that you don't 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.600 deserve to be here real, you know what I mean? 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.600 And I was experiencing that shit constantly, So I think 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:47.559 in many ways I had to experience the culmination of 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.200 all of that and all the controversy and the drama 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:56.840 and you know, being ostracized and outcasted to really get 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.080 the moment to reflect and understand like, okay, so here 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:06.400 I am. I have been blessed immensely in that I 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.320 ain't have to die behind this, you know. So now 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:15.040 let me reapproach this with intention. Let me not just 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.920 let my mind say whatever it want to say all 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:25.760 day long and be beefing with this person and outwardly 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:31.319 expressing whatever frustration I'm feeling internally through all these other things, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.080 because it ain't about that, you know what I mean. Man, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.680 About that policeman get up today shoot a nigga with 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.520 his hand in his hoodie. Man, he probably having a 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.280 bad day in his own you know what I mean. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:49.360 But he's finding someone else that he might perceive as 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.680 being the problem to express whatever problems he has going 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:54.480 on with himself. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.320 Do you feel like a lot of your conflicts were 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.360 similar in terms of you kind of dealing with whatever 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.040 you were going through by maybe lashing out at certain 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.360 individuals or think. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.960 I think it was always complex, you know. I think 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.560 I've been dealing with a lot since I was a 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.760 child identified that I've also been very politically minded, for sure, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.440 and I've also stood on what I believe in, and 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:27.200 the combination of those created a lot of conflicts. I mean, 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.600 if you look back at all these different conflicts, ninety 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.640 percent of the time, controversies, whatever it is, they were 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.560 rooted in some principle. You know that I felt I 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.960 was standing on that most oftentimes, if you were to 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.120 write it down would be something that people would agree with, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.319 they'd be like, yeah, but if you just write down 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.040 the issue and the stance the position. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.360 I remember, I remember very vividly, like when X was alive, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.439 I kind of remember why you took the stance you took, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.120 And I wasn't mad at it because I think it 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.440 was like because some of the allegations that he had 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.360 against him, And I was like, I mean, I get it, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.600 you know what I'm saying. But I think in retrospect, obviously, 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.360 you know, not every battle is your battle and. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:06.920 This is what I came to learn, really, and what 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.440 I came to understand is that like, not all truths 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.360 need to be told all the time, and the judgment 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.160 is for god, you know what I mean. But I 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:18.360 don't think I've recognized and through that situation was able 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:23.440 to learn was that judge not lest you be judged, condemned, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.320 not less you be condemned. You know, point a finger, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.200 you got three fingers pointing back at you. And also 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.920 your message is sometimes less important than your delivery. My 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.640 message was so often lost in my delivery delivery because 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.800 I'm coming from a brash, like Chicago perspective when I'm like, 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.000 I don't give a fuck the ship true, you know 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.160 what I mean, tell me it ain't true. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.800 Or you also force people at that point. I feel 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.360 like there was some certain pointance in times when you 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.600 kind of like force people to kind of whether it's fans, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.080 people to kind of just choose sides. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.400 And that's tough for people, you know what I'm saying. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:04.440 And it's also it it's also like eventually all the 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.160 bickering and beef and whatever it's about a lot of 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.280 a lot of it would boil down to you see 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.280 two fools arguing from a distance. Kid, tell who is who? Right? 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.280 You know what I mean? And if I'm just getting 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.440 into it with this person and this person funs with them, 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.080 so now they're into it with me, and I'm into 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.280 it with them. Now I'm in It's like now, it 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.800 just adds up that people just think I'm combative. I 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.160 would come down sometimes and sit down in the interview 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.040 and I'll be me and you know me, I'm kind, 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.480 I'm cool, I'm funny, I'm nice, and people be like, man, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.120 I'm so surprised. How cool you all thought. I just 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.840 want to come in here and try to punch somebody 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.520 in the face. And I'm like, okay, I need to 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.760 change my behavior because people are mis understanding. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.960 People are gonna get They're gonna they're gonna create the 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.960 narratives that, you know, from whatever information they have that's 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.520 out there, and not not enough. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.680 People are and the thing is too headlines. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.440 That's how they come up with their narratives. They see 0:15:58.440 --> 0:15:59.600 the headlines and they're. 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.400 Like this, talk me a lot. You know, people don't research. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.880 There's so much information out there, you know what I mean, 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.840 There's so many things that we're being bombarded with constantly 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.520 that It's like people ain't going to check sources and 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.200 see what was really said. They're seeing a headline, maybe 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.040 a couple images, and they're like, cool, Okay, I guess 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.680 person is associated with that word, that action, whatever it is. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.400 You know, move on, Oh, I see it again. This 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.080 person is now associated with that one. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.440 I see it happening so much, especially nowadays, it's like 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.800 it's just crazy, Like when it comes to politics, when 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.000 it comes to artists, it's like people just have their 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.320 mind made up over whatever blips they see on their algorithm. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.200 On ignapshot. Just the headline, that's what That's what most 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.600 people use to formulate their opinions. And so I think 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:53.320 it's like, you know, gotta be intentional at this point 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:58.880 in time, Like how do I make all my interactions 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.120 to the best my ability represent me as a human 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.439 being in totality, right, you know what I'm saying? And 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.080 how do I stand for the things I believe in 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.680 without having a stand against everyone, you know what I mean? 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.240 Like it's not really necessary for sure. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.000 I think it's crazy too because just from like a 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.439 fans perspective, being like such a big fan of you 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.080 early and chance really early, like to see you guys 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.480 reconcile after all those years where I just feel like 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.000 they were like years lost of like of like peak 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.159 like greatness, you know what I'm saying. And it was 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.640 just dope to see you guys. You doing internet tape, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:36.680 He's doing acid rap. 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:38.359 You know. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.520 I think you guys are both so important to Chicago 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.760 until a lot of these kids in the last decades. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.720 So for you, was it like a for you guys 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.280 to kind of put whatever issues you had behind you 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.240 and move forward with positivity and you know, I mean 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:52.880 kind of pick up where you guys left off, because 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.760 you guys kind of came into this shit like literally he. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.120 Definitely did before the shit even you know what I mean, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:02.760 like age fourteen. You know what I'm saying, before rap 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.320 was anything more than a dream. And I think like 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.600 when he came to visit me in Ghana and you know, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.320 we started to build this festival and really just that 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.960 moment in Africa, like that return. I think that really 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:22.880 just helped to solidify cement our relationship, our friendship as men, 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.840 you know what I mean, Like the things that we 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.800 went through ups and downs as boys, you know what 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.639 I meaning? Like just that happens. Brothers fight, you know 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.720 what I'm saying, And don't let you get rich and 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.120 famous and be super young, you know what I mean. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.760 Like that's that could be a recipe for disaster. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.120 And to be fair, both of you guys had kind 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:49.560 of like meteoric quick rises in terms of like from 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.960 being like kind of like mixtape underground blog darlings to 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.280 being like what the fuck, like You're you're with Rockefeller 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.359 or you're with rock Nation and he's you know, I mean, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.040 acid just kind of changed things. Yeah, it just got 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.399 got crazy quick with both of your guys. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.000 Yeah, shit got crazy real quick, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.720 And I really can't stress enough though, like how much 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.200 of a blessing it is to be able to learn 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.360 from those things and grow from them. Man, Like that's 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.840 something I speak about a lot in this album. It 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:28.000 was like two years ago, I believe Juice World Day, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:33.520 and I was in the studio with Bongo Bongo by 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.640 the way, he's the executive producer of this album, and 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.800 we're in La but I'm looking at social media things 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.520 of Juice World Day and I was just overtaken by 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:49.240 a sense of gratitude because I'm looking at them, considering 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:54.840 the factors that led into that situation, and just realizing 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.199 that a lot of young artists don't get the chance 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.400 to evolve, to evolve and learn, you know what I mean, 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.800 And we're all oftentimes so caught up in the romanticize 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.200 and the drugs, and you know. 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.560 Like we never got to see the juice real, like 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:14.800 he didn't even have chance to mature, and like we 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.160 like he was a kid, people forget like he's like, actually. 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.879 Really what happens with so many artists though, you know 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:20.400 what I'm saying. 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.680 It's like like even X, like we didn't we don't 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.600 sex have that, you know, because I feel like he 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:26.560 was moving a lot of positivity before he died, you know, 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:27.720 and I was like, damn, we didn't even get to 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.000 really see his like legacy play out, like him really 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.600 growing up, and and like you know what I mean. 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.320 Like it's really a blessing. It's just a blessing. Like 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.600 I can't overstate that, because a lot of young artists 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:44.440 don't get that chance to like stumble, fall and get 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.560 up and learn from it, you know what I'm saying. 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.520 And it's almost like being a hip hop artist is 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.719 like an endangered species sometimes, like being a young rapper. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.480 You know already, being a young black man is a 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:02.160 target on your back. Being a young rapper is magnified tenfold. 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.920 And you know, all I could all I could really 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:10.560 do is really try to express the lessons that I've 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.440 learned through all of the tumultuous time. 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.440 And you were literally throwing in the in the world right. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.479 In the mix, you know. But it's a big blessing though, 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.280 you know what I mean. Even starting this album, Like 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:29.720 beginning this album is when I've really turned things around mentally, 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.040 you know what I mean, Like cut out all the 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.159 drink and all the drugs everything, like went sober, just 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.159 got focused layers of focus to a point where I 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.640 feel like I've been clearing my spirit out and transforming 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.480 my energy. So I really feel I feel limitless. I 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:52.840 feel like I've been gifted to achieve magnanimous things at 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.879 a very young age, and now I'm gifted once again 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.880 to take it first further, you know what I mean, 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:05.760 take it further with intention and from a from a 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.640 place of clarity and focus. 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.040 Yeah, I mean, I think I think you can, Like 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:13.880 have you ever reached out to any of these young 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.600 artists and just like, hey, I see what you're doing, 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:18.399 like you know, or maybe try to give them some 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.880 advice because you've, like you said, you've kind of been 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.399 You've you've you've had to live through what it's like 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:29.000 to be like thrown in the middle of this machine 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:31.040 that is the music industry. It'll eat you up, it'll 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.600 spit you out, and it'll you know, it'll stop answering 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.439 your calls, you know what I'm saying, Like, if you 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.840 see somebody making mistakes, whether there's somebody close to you 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.240 or like, do you reach out, do you try to 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.040 give them any advice? Or is it really not your place? 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.280 You feel? Like? You know, I think I just try 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:51.120 to lead by example and let my actions speak for 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.920 me at this point in time, you know, And if 0:22:54.960 --> 0:23:00.240 I can inspire or influence somebody with something I'll say 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:04.080 on a podcast with Bootleg Cab or something I say 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.399 on a record of just something that they see me. 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.879 Do you know Vic Mensa does this for the homeless 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:14.840 in Chicago or you know xyz Freeze somebody from prison. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:18.200 I'm like, man, let let me let my actions, you know, 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.520 speak for themselves, because in the midst of in the 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:26.720 midst of so many things that we've discussed. It's also 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:34.879 like just this mountain of positive impacts I've left on 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.560 the planet, which was has always been the conflicting thing 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.560 that I had to realize, Like you can't have it 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:44.320 both ways, Like you can't have it constantly in beef 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:48.560 and drama and getting locked up for this and still 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.439 be giving away a million point five dollars worth of 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.840 shoes in the trenches in Chicago, sleeping underneath the viaduct 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.320 in the dead of winter to raise money for the 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.600 homeless build and water facilities in Africa. I mean, like 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.280 I let those things speak for themselves. But it's not 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:08.720 a lot of people in the history of hip hop 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:14.719 that have at this stage like had the level of 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.119 impact on people in a humanitarian sense and that I have. 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.360 Also, that's not the ship that for whatever reason, will 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.280 get that's not viral. It's not going viral, bro. 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.280 But that's the human nature though, is like sit and 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.040 turn on news right now, you know what I mean, Like. 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:33.080 There's nothing positive on the. 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.840 There's nothing about because bad news travels fast. It's all 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.560 de vice. People shot here to people overdosed on and all. 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:47.480 You know, Ukraine is being bombed because bad news travels fast, 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:51.359 and we're in a culture and a moment in society 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:58.600 that prioritizes sensationalism because it's all about the Internet, you know, 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:06.720 and it's all about impressions, engagement, likes, comments, and you 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:11.040 get a lot more likes and comments on arguments, controversies 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:16.000 and thing and fear than you do on like love. 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:19.639 And that's kind of like our whole news consumption cycle 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.440 is like it's just fear driven, like just like what 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.679 do we got? What are we gonna be scared about today? 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:25.640 You know what I'm saying. 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:27.200 For Really, it's all feel mongling. 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.960 Like even COVID showed us that more than anything, because 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:32.280 like we were all just like watching like at home, 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.840 just watching CNN, and they would just have like the 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.639 death numbers just it's like a ticker at the bottom, 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.760 like it was an NBA score or something. I don't 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:42.600 think we really realized like damn, like that like like 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.040 that was a really I was like fucking freaked out 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:46.440 to go outside, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:47.960 Like, And you know. 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:51.520 A lot of us got it and survived, a lot 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.879 of us passed away. I had COVID like twice. At 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.919 least I might've had it twice too. You know, I 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.760 had COVID before we even knew what COVID was. I know, 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:02.600 I had a lot of homies who were like right 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:03.800 around December. 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:07.040 January, December, they were up. I was in bed for 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.600 like days. I just it was like a fever dream. 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.120 I just remember like rolling around in bed for days, 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.760 you know, didn't even get up to eat. Yeah, no, 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:16.200 for sure. 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.080 All right, we got to stop the interview real quick. 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.879 Tell you about our folks at my Bookie, our partners 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:21.520 at my Bookie. 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:21.639 Man. 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:25.800 Listen, football season is approaching. It is preseason right now. 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.440 I can feel it. 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So was it last year you did the 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:02.960 ice protest show? 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:06.040 Oh no, that was a few years back. Man. 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.120 Was that did you end up going because I know 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:09.720 you did something downtown LA, but did you end up 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:11.400 going to like the border you were doing like a 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.520 show outside of the border in San Diego, right. 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.760 Yeah, yeah, And I went to Mexico, so you were, 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.080 but I went to uh yeah, I went to TJ 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:25.280 and I went to an actual like ice detention facility 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.440 and performed outside of it on a truck. I was 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.240 gonna say it was on a truck, right, Yeah. 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.960 I've never seen that. And I DJ in San Diego 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:34.400 all the time and I go get all my medicine 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.280 from Tijuana. So I know how crazy that border, especially 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.920 because what year was this was this twenty twenty nineteen 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:45.000 maybe Yeah, that border during the Trump years was fucking 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:49.040 raz It was crazy. There were so many people, yeah, 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.240 like nuts. And I think when we went over there 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:56.320 to get in like one of the what was the 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.640 big like immigrant like uh there, like there's a lot 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.400 of people trying to seek asylum in the US and 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.120 they were stopped at in tij One and. 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.720 To a lot of African people that was African that 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.440 I didn't until I went there. Yeah, I mean just 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:14.400 the way that they were running that situation was just 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.440 like super inhumane. And I was really surprised to see 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.560 so many African people, like West African people. I think 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.400 they were from like Cameroon or Congo. There was some 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.360 French speaking Africans, and it was like, you know, hundreds 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.600 upon hundreds of people, and the way that they would 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.320 get contacted was like they get to the front of 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.920 this line of thousands of people and then they give 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.640 them a number on a piece of paper and then 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.760 they call that number sometime within the next month, like 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.480 weeks on weeks, and you literally have to be within 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.400 earshot to hear. 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:56.080 Your number called at the border at the border, so 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.000 you kind of have to just hang out there for. 0:30:58.080 --> 0:30:59.280 Months like to proceed. 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:01.280 So we're going to sleep on the sidewalk. 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.520 Exactly what they were doing. It was like it was gross. 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.840 Definitely see the way that they were treating human beings. 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.720 Like I was, I was really taken aback by that. 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.640 But that's also in the midst of like all the 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:17.000 things happen with the kids in the detention facilities. 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:22.800 Yeah, I just cages blankets that were like like metallic 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.920 aluminum foil, and I think a lot of that stuff 0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.840 is still going on right now. It's definitely still going on, yeah, 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.960 Because I mean, you know, I was I'm definitely a 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:35.120 fuck Donald Trump type of guy, but I think a 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.040 lot of that ship was going on before him too. 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.440 And after and after. I'm not making any excuses for 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.840 him in particular, but you know what I'm saying, the 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.600 hypocrisy of like American oppression doesn't begin or end with 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.400 Donald Trump. Donald Trump is just the one to put 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.840 it on Front Street. He said, this is actually what 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.520 I'm on. I'm paying all my niggas, I'm here for 0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:00.840 the bag straight like that. Fuck y'all, this is what 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.000 presidents had been doing. But he just told you, just 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.120 said what he was on. 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.560 You know, he just let y'all know what was going. 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.600 Down, said what he was on. That's why you know. 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.880 It's crazy too, because like I've been like a lifelong, 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.400 like you know, liberal Democrat guy, like you know, I 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:20.360 voted for Joe Biden, But this last fucking few years, 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.080 I just been like, I just don't know where we 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.760 go from here, Like I don't know, like, how do 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.120 you feel about this next presidential election, because it really 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.960 feels like somehow we're gonna end up with the same 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:33.719 two guys, And I don't know if either of them 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.360 are great for our country. And I just don't know 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:40.760 neither of them. No, they're definitively terrible. Joe Biden has 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.160 been a terrible president, and I voted for him. He 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.440 just hasn't been great. But the guy before him was 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.760 terrible for his own reasons, terrible for the racial division, 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.040 the normalization of a lot of things. 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.080 Like him getting locked up and having that hard as 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:55.600 a mugshot too. I think that only helps his case. 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.360 Bro. I'm like, it's gonna be a Griselda album cover 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.560 event like West Side Gun's next album might be the. 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:05.880 Trump much Unfortunately, that's only help in his case. 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.880 That's what I'm telling I'm like, Yo, these guys, if 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:12.000 they're gonna go all in, they better make sure because 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:13.480 if he don't go to jail, he's gonna be the 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:14.000 next president. 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.479 He can't even run. He can run from jail, and 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:16.920 he will. 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.120 But I think he'll lose the primary because I think 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:19.680 there's enough. 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.440 I think he'll lose, but you'll be there's I can't 0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.920 call it, yeah, you never know, Okay, call it. I 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:30.760 mean like Joe Biden too, I'm not gonna forget that. 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.080 Joe Biden is responsible for the nineteen ninety. 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:36.800 Four crime crime, people creators. 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.680 And the system of mass and conserration. As we know, 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:40.280 it is millions. 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.440 He also nipped the HPCU bill that was supposed to 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.640 fund a lot of the HBCUs. That was I think 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:50.680 I think Trump put that through. Yeah, Biden is listen, man. 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.360 That's why I'm like, I don't know where what do 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:52.680 we do? 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:52.920 Do we? 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:54.920 I'm like I told everybody else. I was just talking 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:59.280 to my wife's mom and I said, if it's Trump 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.520 versus Biden, or if it's like the Santas versus Biden, 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.440 I'm just going to vote Corner West and fucking sleep. 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:11.800 While it was no Cornell, what corn West and Kanye 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.560 West ran on a double bill. 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.640 Shout out to Kanye, who was definitely just getting blown 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:19.280 in the middle of a boat in Italy. 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.799 And that's what That's what That's what we thought it was, right, Okay, Okay, 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:29.359 I didn't see that part. I didn't see that part. Yeah, 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.440 this next this next election, I can't call him. Man. 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.840 I don't know if I would vote for Biden again. 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.879 I mean, honestly, I think that it's always a lesser 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.640 of two evils situation, but sometimes it's hard to really 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.319 determine what the less of the two evils are a 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.360 lot of the guys. The guys want Trump because he 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:48.759 gave him PPP loans, but. 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.160 The was going crazy. 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.560 Shows you how simple niggas be. Man, It's like you 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.359 dangle that carrot in front of him, gave him them 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.279 p P P loans, and you know they they want 0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:59.160 him back for real. 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.920 It is crazy because a lot of my homies, who 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.040 you know, like, I think he's gonna do well with 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:13.000 black males in a collection because a lot of my 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.120 boys are like, man, we're fucking with Trump, and I'm 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:15.960 like really. 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:20.040 Like, yeah, I mean I think overall he won't, you 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:20.919 know what I'm saying, Like. 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:23.040 No, overall, but I think compared to like whatever he 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:23.800 did last. 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.400 Time, yeah, he might get like that two percent, you 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.800 know what I mean. But in mass he's not gonna 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.400 get the black folk. I mean, like, black people are 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.759 not stupid. Some of the guys are very greedy. But 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.160 in mass he won't get the black folk. But he's 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.680 not relying on that, He's not leaning on that. His 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.799 base is just as fired up as they ever been. 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.640 I wonder at this point how it escalates, because the 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:53.680 last escalation was was them trying to destroy their own capitals, like, 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.920 which is crazy. I'm like, I don't claim this. 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.000 Yeah, how are you supposed to be patriotic? 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.080 This is the thing you love? You don't want that 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.040 runs around with the American flag on your pickup truck 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:05.960 and you know your jacket in. 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.040 This is what I tell everybody. I'm like, yo, anytime, 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.680 like if if you know, Like I had to kind 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.120 of come to a realization in the middle of his 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:17.759 presidency because I was to the point where, like, if 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:19.440 I found out you were like a trumper, I just 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:20.759 couldn't talk to you, and I'd like. 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:24.080 Family that way. I had family members that he got 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.279 that way, right, he got that way. I'll still be 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:27.319 trying to get past that. 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.440 So I had to kind of come to the realization that, like, Okay, 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.440 not everybody who voted for this guy is a bad person, 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:38.080 right right. But then I'm like, okay, but if you're 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.560 out here with a fucking MAGA flag on. 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.400 Your trucks, pretty brazy. 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.200 That's that's just a crazy, like that's some cult shit. 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.560 It'd be like if somebody like I'd judge the same 0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:49.600 type of human being if there was a giant Joe 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.680 Biden flag on your truck, I'd be like, yo, are 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:56.400 we going to be that fanatical about any particular politician. 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.920 Not everybody who drinks the kool Lead is the devil. 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.960 But I've had to come to a place where I 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:07.960 can recognize that just because someone is conservative or might 0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:14.360 be racist or prejudiced, that it doesn't serve me to 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.239 judge them and be upset with them for it. Like 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.680 I was in this Russian like spa the other day 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.760 in Chicago, got the amazing It's got the hottest suna, 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.359 the coldest cold plunge. 0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.480 And it's hard to find a spa in LA with 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:30.279 the cold plunge and. 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:35.120 The cold plunge is so crazy. But you know, the dude, 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.200 he's got a racist vibe to him. You know, I 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.400 can pick up on it. And then I went in 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.080 most recently and I saw he had the he had 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:50.160 conservative news channel just playing in the common area, and 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:55.240 I'm like, okay, I properly interpreted, you know, this guy's energy. 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.640 But at the same time, it's like, man, that's between 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:00.959 him and God. Man. I was leaving mosque one time 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.600 and I seen two brothers on the corner talking. There 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.560 was a bunch of Nigerian guys who were loudly debating 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.120 something as Nigerians do. And one of them was like, man, 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:13.680 I'm Nigerian. Brothers. They be deep man. And the other 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:17.160 one was like, man, but they be racist. And then 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.000 the first one was like, that's between them and our law. 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.920 And I thought that was so deep because there are 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.520 a lot of misunderstandings between us as black people and 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.879 Africans that I see both sides of it. Because I'm 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:33.560 gonna end and I'm Black American. There's a lot of 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:35.080 racism that goes both ways. 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.399 I don't think a lot of people are hip to that. 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:39.960 That that's a thing that exists. 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:43.840 Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that's a reality. But that 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:49.480 exists for us wherever we go. There's psychological propaganda that's 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:54.440 used to devalue Black Americans. It's used to devalue Black Africans. 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.480 That's used to pit them against each other because the 0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.200 moment in time when we realize that we have a 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.719 unified front, we have a common enemy, it would be 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.799 too dangerous and too powerful. I mean, that's why Martin 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.840 Luther King was killed. That's why you know Malcolm X. 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.520 Once he started to move away from a black separatism 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.319 mind state and embrace people of other cultures, things get 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.799 really dangerous. Same thing for Martin Luther King. Once he's 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:23.920 moved his focus from the March on Washington to Poor 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:28.480 People's Movement, then he gets smoked because when you put 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:30.560 those dots together, you connect those dots, then you get 0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.280 a red dot on your head. That's how it goes. 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.520 But for me, I had to realize, like, Okay, this 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.960 dude might be racist. Yes, he might be looking at 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:42.160 me with a certain prejudice. I can interpret it. That's 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.640 between him and God. Like, as long as he doesn't 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.319 try me, what does it have to project that on 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.560 to you? You know he's projecting it. But as long 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.600 as it's not impeding my ability to do what I 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.600 have to do, what does it have to do? What 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:56.879 does it have to do with me? So I feel 0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:00.120 the same way about trump Ism at this point. Lot 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:04.120 of people that maybe drinking that kool aid and caught 0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:09.640 up in either the hateful ideology or rhetoric and racism 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:13.520 and anti Semitism and a mixture of the two. But 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.720 that's between them and God. I'm not walking around mad like, right, 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.319 I see you you fuck with Trump and now I'm 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.560 like fuck you. Yeah, I mean, I'm not doing that 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:26.000 just it's. 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.600 Not worth What do you think is like the answer, 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.320 because like you said, it's always a lesser too evils conversation. 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.920 And to me, it's like, to me, like trying to 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:39.160 figure out how to break up the two parties is 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:40.719 you know, cause I look at like with like like 0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:44.520 when Bernie was running in twenty was it twenty twenty, Yeah, 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:47.360 and he he won the first two or three primaries, 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.520 and then once Biden went South Carolina, all the other 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.080 DNC people just dropped out and it was like all 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.440 the energy was behind Biden changed the election. But like 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.120 for me, it's like no matter what, whether you're Democrat, 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:02.640 you're Republican, both parties are extremely corrupt. Both parties are 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.120 in bed with special interest groups, a lot of the 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.279 same special interest groups, you know what I'm saying. And 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:10.719 that's why I was like, man, if I vote third party, 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:12.239 a lot of people say I've don't my vote away, 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.319 But I'm like, at least it's like the beginning of 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:18.800 like trying to like maybe it's three percent this time, 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.800 maybe in formal years it's twelve percent vote third party. 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.279 Like to me, like trying to figure out a way 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.080 to get out of that two party system is like 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.040 got to be the answer eventually. 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.319 I don't know if the answer can be found in capitalism. 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.800 You can't dismantle the master's house using the master's tools, 0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.440 and the power structure of this nation was built on 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.680 the literal backs of people that look like me, right, 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:45.120 and I can't see how our liberation, our freedom is 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.600 going to be reliant or dependent upon them finding a conscience, 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.399 you know what I mean. I think the answer has 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.000 to be in collectivizing our power. The ANSWER's got to 0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.680 be in the artists putting their heads together and putting 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:03.000 aside their differences, unifying and to restructure what the economics 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.880 of our communities look like, and the athletes refusing to 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:10.040 play ball until they get ownership, collectivizing their power and 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.920 reinvesting that into their communities. Our communities aren't going to 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.759 get the boost that they need and stop being exploited 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:21.560 or oppressed because the Democrats decide so, or because the 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.680 Democrats split into and. 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:25.919 It starts at the ground level. 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.640 For shit, it's got to be among the people, man, 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.440 It's like, that's that's how power arises from the people. 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.319 It's not going to be top down. That doesn't make 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.200 sense to me, because they all eat off us. That's 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:39.200 why I don't consider myself a Democrat or you know, 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:43.319 anything like that, because I know that the Democrats are 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.920 just as responsible for putting my nigga James and jail 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.400 as the Republicans. They wrote the law too, they actually 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.000 are the ones that put the law into effect, and 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.640 they're in the White House now that shit is still 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:58.120 reverberating through our community. So I don't consider myself as 0:42:58.160 --> 0:42:59.719 a part of them, But that doesn't mean that I 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:03.439 don't take value from the things that they do well 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:07.200 and the intervention of socialist policies into it. And I 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:10.760 think Bernie was a great and has been a greatne 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.919 uh you know, idiator in a political space to really 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:17.879 push some necessary things forward. A dude like Bernie, he's 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.600 so ill because his receipts is there, you know. 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.320 His whole life, his receipts, he's been pushing them. 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:28.440 He getting locked up with the black people in the sixties, 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:30.319 you know, chained to it, and. 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.319 He's still going and like pulling up a killer Mike 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:35.120 to Amazon warehouses and like, you know what I'm saying. 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.279 That type of dude I stand behind. It's not a 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:37.960 party or. 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.440 One hundred percent. That's how I felt because I was like, Yo, 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.040 who's like the consistent, Like who's just a good guy? 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.520 Like to me, I thought Bernie was like obviously a 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.319 good person who's never like kind of straight away from 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.719 his mission, you know what I mean. So shout out 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:56.080 to Bernie Man for you as somebody who is an activist, 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.880 as somebody who's done so much for your community. Would 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.960 you ever consider getting into the political space locally? 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:09.000 No, not a chance, Man, Never, No, definitely not. I'm 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.880 political twenty years from now. I'm politically minded, but I 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.919 would not want to be a politician. That's not where 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:17.360 my heart is at. You know what I mean. I 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:21.600 think politicians by nature have to lie too much. And 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.480 I think we all know that. You know, I don't 0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:27.880 be hold of my tongue like that. Hey, but that 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.680 might work in your favor, But there's so much lying 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.680 and compromising with people's lives that comes along with politics, 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.799 and you just have to accept that. Like, you can 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:43.360 be the most values driven, progressively minded politician, but in 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.640 order to be effective and get things done, you got 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.719 to cut the deal with the FOP. And that's not me. 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.400 I'm not cutting the deal with the Fraternal Order of Police. 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.719 I'm not doing it, you know. I don't want to 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.279 be in that position because that's just not that's not me, 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:59.520 you know. So people ask me what I ever step 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:00.040 into pol. 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.200 I never would, never would consider it. 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.360 No, I wouldn't even think about it. I think you 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.520 could be Maryor in Chicago. Man, I don't want to 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:07.880 be mayored. 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:08.680 What was the last Maryor? 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.000 Is it Lori Lightfoot shout out to Brandon Johnson. Oh, 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:12.680 that's my boy. Is he the new mayor? He's the 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:13.520 new mayor and. 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.920 The previous mayor. She was a hilarious person to watch online. 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.200 Her suits were really she was like mean. 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.000 Yo, there was that there was Did you ever see that? 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.000 There was like the interaction between her and some like 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:26.560 some guy on YELP. 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:28.200 I ain't see that. 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:29.839 It was so funny. 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:33.279 She just wasn't She didn't have a constituency and she 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.279 wasn't open to addressing what was really going on. Like 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:39.120 when she had a conversation set up with me, she 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.920 found out, you know that I was very critical of 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:43.440 the police. 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:45.359 That's her name, right, Lori l floryd Life. 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.800 Yeah, she found out it was so critical of the police, 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.160 and so she just canceled the conversation because she wasn't 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:55.280 willing to like actually discuss what's going on in the city. 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:56.960 You know what I mean. Chicago is a city with 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.520 so many harsh realities that it's like, how could we 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.319 ever move forward if we don't face those realities. I 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.320 think we have a lot of subcultures and ideas and 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.520 all culture that are destroying us too, like op culture. 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.719 The idea of OPS is one way that we've been 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:17.359 brainwashed in Chicago and in every hood and in rap 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:23.000 music to believe that we are innately against or enemies 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.440 of ourselves. It's almost like we're staring in the mirror 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.440 pointing the gun at ourselves because we've been taught that 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.319 you're from this block, I'm from this block. You would 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.920 inherit that we are ops, we are enemies, and so 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.160 we romanticize it. But I think in many ways we've 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:42.680 been misled and it's just a manifestation of our own 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.200 self hatred. We've been taught to hate ourselves, and so 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.040 we turn it into you, my op, even though you 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:52.000 look just like me and you're from the same circumstances 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.760 as me, but you're from a different block two streets away. 0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:00.360 We don't own these projects, we don't own these Section 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.839 eight houses, we don't own these vacant lots, we don't 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.080 own these liquor stores, we don't own these gas stations, 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.200 but we die for them every day. It doesn't make sense. 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:12.839 There's so much mis education and misinformation. So I'm saying 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:17.440 we need to dispel and dissipate the whole op culture, 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:18.360 the whole idea. 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.000 It's exhausting, man, And I'm like a you know me, 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.200 I'm a huge hip hop head, but like, I am 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:28.800 so disconnected from so much of the politics in that world. 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:31.080 I know there's other platforms that are notable that like 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.080 dive more into that shit. And I'm just like, like, 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.200 when a guy from Chicago comes on my show, like 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:38.040 I don't usually I don't know what the fuck. 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.240 I'm not even interested in talking about any of that stuff. 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.440 But that's good, bro, That's good because a lot of 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:48.040 people like man, a lot of guys I see the interviews, 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:52.320 and you know, they they like just try to stand 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:58.360 on that and try to force these artists to speak 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:02.200 about their ops or who they've bickered with and who 0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.799 they have beef with and then if they don't want to, 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:09.400 you know, like either take a fence or you know. 0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:13.920 It's like I think that the role of a journalist 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:18.880 or a steward of culture as you are and people 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.480 that are your contemporaries, is one that has to be 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:25.000 treated with a lot of respect and a lot of reverence, man, 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:29.120 because there's so much influence and it's like this music 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:33.879 that we make that we aspire to rise from out 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.239 of the gutter with and we put our heart and 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.600 our soul into it, and oftentimes it's a reflection of 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:43.520 good and bad everything that's around us. Man, it can 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:47.640 bring a lot a lot of murder behind it. And 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.879 it's the people that sit in that seat that can 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:56.759 either help us to transcend and express, you know, what 0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.000 is important to us and what's valuable to us, or 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.560 try to chain us to where we came from. And 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.560 it's like, man, I know it's clickbait, I know it helps. 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:06.600 Yeah, I means yeah yeah. To me, it's like yo, 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:10.320 there's real like lives on the line dying from this stuff. 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:11.560 To me, it's like I got to be able to 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:12.560 why do you want me to talk about it? 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:13.719 And why do you want me to talk about it 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.360 on record. That's the thing I think is crazy about 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:20.359 hip hop is like I think that we've reached an 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:26.960 era and an age when snitching on yourself and self 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:33.160 incrimination to all time people encouraging you to incriminate yourself 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:35.560 is at an all time How you get on here 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:39.279 and they want you to give a detailed account of 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.520 what crimes you've committed. 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.040 I don't have to stop artists in the interview sometimes, 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:48.360 and I don't have to hit them with the allegedly allegedly, yeah, 0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:51.080 allegedly because like I'm like, allegedly whatever. 0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.920 It's such a catch twenty two though, because we've seen 0:49:55.040 --> 0:50:00.720 that those things go viral. So if you're young artists 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.800 or a young nigga in the street aspiring to be 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:07.839 an artist and you see somebody catch a murder and 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.480 that skyrocket their. 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.480 Career, yeah, that can keep your career up if you 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:13.120 came about it, or you. 0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:17.319 Can really excite somebody to think, Okay, well maybe this 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:20.080 is a way that I can change my life, my 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:24.040 family's life, because it's working for being on front street 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:28.120 about some street ship or going to do some street ship, 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:31.360 making the music about it for sure, and the record 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:32.680 labels profit from it, So. 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.759 You're you're incentivized to do that because it's good for 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:40.359 your career what was your life. It's not good for 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:41.200 the bigger picture. 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:42.920 But you know what was super wild to me, man 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:45.680 was like realizing that everywhere is not like this, like 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.160 not even in hip hop, you know, being in South Africa, 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:55.560 which is also a pretty violent, explosive place in its ways, 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:59.600 but learning that their hip hop scene is like that 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.399 doesn't fuel your career, that doesn't help you. Then you're 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:05.120 seeing it's harder to market, and I was like, it's 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:08.640 crazy because it's the opposite in America. It's like, if 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:13.919 you're stamped and your criminal history is volidified, then this 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:15.360 can be the main. 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.719 It can give you a career. But I do but 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:20.960 I do think it also puts a ceiling on you 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.880 because there are certain like like shit rolling loud, Like 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:28.120 now you know they'll they'll not book an artist because 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.000 the hip hop police of New York is on their ass. 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:32.520 You know, some of these droll guys in New York 0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:34.719 that have issues. And my whole approach to the whole 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:38.359 situation is like I've had very few situations where I've 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.840 had any sort of conversations that were like beef driven 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.600 and if it ever gets brought up, it'd be because 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.480 like there was two there's two guys from Jacksonville that 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:50.600 have like Jacksonville's crazy and I in our interview because 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:51.920 I know both of them. I know both of the 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:54.799 guys Fulio and Young and Ace, And the only time 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.400 we touched on the subject was like, how do you 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.520 guys like squash this because you guys are from the 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:03.000 same city, Like, is there a way to ever put 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:05.400 this behind you guys and set an example? 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:05.960 You know what I mean? 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.719 Like that that that you guys could be bigger than 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.080 whatever has already happened, Because I think that's really the 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:15.000 hardest thing is like one convincing artist that like, yes, 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:18.600 when you're on YouTube and the algorithm is feeding you 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:21.760 these weird ass hood documentaries that these faceless. 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:24.120 YouTube make so strange that shit is. 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:28.560 So there's a whole mega micro economy on YouTube of 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:34.840 faceless YouTube creators that just do hood commentary, street beef. 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:38.279 It's crazyrew, it's insane. You don't know what these guys 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:38.759 look like. 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:41.080 Maybe somewhere in Utah. 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:44.360 You don't know what they look like. They're making millions DONI. 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:46.160 They're making millions. 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.040 Dollars off the shit. It's real shit. It's like hip 0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:52.600 hop is in that way like trauma porn for people 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.480 outside of our community. You know, we don't need to 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:57.640 sit and watch that because that's going on in our 0:52:57.680 --> 0:52:58.160 real lives. 0:52:58.200 --> 0:52:59.920 But like you said, if you're an artist and like 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.200 you're trying to get a buzz, it's like almost like, well, 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.719 how do I make people give a fuck? And well, 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:06.600 I know that this is what people will care about, 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:08.920 but then there's real life consequences to that. You might 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:10.479 lose your life, your friend might lose your life. 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:11.440 You know. 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.960 To me, it's like, yo, how do we try to 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.440 get passed? Because, like you said, the op culture, to me, 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:18.640 it's like a cloud over hip hop the last like 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.240 five years. That's just like, oh, it's just too much 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.120 sometimes man, Like I'm exhausted by it. 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:26.279 Bro. Like, I just feel like we as black men 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:32.400 have to normalize conflict resolution. We have to normalize peacemaking. 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:35.480 We have to normalize letting things go. Letting things go 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.600 is the important We have to recognize that oftentimes the 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:42.319 real strength, the real power, is in letting something go. 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.040 That's much more difficult I had to learn that it 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.759 takes a lot more out of me to let it 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:51.920 go than it does for me to take it to 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:54.719 a violent space, because that's the way I. 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.120 And you're carrying conflict with you at all times, use 0:53:57.960 --> 0:53:58.840 you don't even realize it. 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:02.200 I had a situation in Chicago where, you know, something 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:06.120 from my past came back and someone that had robbed 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:10.360 me and was very close to me and you know, 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:16.120 ultimately popped back up with like a real disrespectful, aggressive 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:24.239 attitude and approach. And in that moment, I decided to 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:28.960 give it absolutely no power to respond, not at all. 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:32.279 So when he was as close to me as you 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:36.000 are now telling me what he gonna do, see me 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:40.000 here there, I just said, man, God bless you. Bro 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:44.400 got up and left, you know, started to hit my phone. 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:48.600 I said, God bless you blocked it. Move on, hit 0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:52.719 me from different numbers. But what I learned was in 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:58.120 exercising that restraint, which was so difficult for me, and 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:01.600 putting it to a space of God and prayer and 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:05.920 just letting it go, the situation fell a part of 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:09.440 its own weight so much more easily than if I 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:13.520 had engaged it in a violent way. But we're not 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:19.719 taught that that conflict resolution and nonviolent conflict resolution is 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:24.400 ultimately more beneficial because a lot of times in the 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:27.080 past I will handle something differently and I would go 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.719 handle it in a violent way. And now look, next 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.120 thing you know boutleg KFC is me on TV with 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:38.080 a gun case because I'm in a spiral of revenge paranoia. 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:42.080 I'm keeping this on me all the time because somebody 0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:45.680 might come and retaliate for something that I've done. I 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:49.960 can't create the right way because you're always when you 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:50.800 got beef with. 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:55.200 Like this my studios, it's a subconscious shit because you're 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.640 always on like kind of your guard's always up. 0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:00.160 Well, that's the thing that we experience, man, is it's 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:04.280 like we live in a constant state of survival mode 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:09.120 and the brain reacts to that like we're in the 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:13.640 wild at fear of lions attacking us. Are Amygdala is 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:17.160 responsible for the cortisol that keeps us in fight or 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:22.440 flight mode, and in our communities, in our neighborhoods, we're 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.200 always in fight of flight mode because you're always ready 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.800 to either kill or be killed. 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You know I've been on a extra security 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.040 list for a lot of years. 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:06.080 Okay, so then you already you already were flagged kind of. 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:08.760 I was flagged since the time I was like nineteen. 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:13.920 But you know it's funny because I was actually I 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:17.000 was cutting my anti depressants cold turkey. I've been on 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.400 fifteen anti depressant medications. 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:22.880 You were medicated pretty simply since I was age. 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:27.520 I've been on a Lexa, Prozoloft, defectsor well butrim, prozac, 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:30.760 you name it, probably about ten to fifteen medicines over 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:34.640 a span of about ten to fifteen years. And I 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:37.320 realized that those medicines were making my mental health worse 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:40.160 if I stopped taking the medicine. They were making me 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:43.800 suicidal at times when I wasn't that when I began 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.680 taking the medicine. So I said that those are very bad. 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:50.200 So I decided I'm gonna cut the medicine basically cold 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:55.800 turkey and replace it with microdocin like a non psychoactive, 1:00:56.040 --> 1:01:00.720 very small doca mushrooms. And I figured, man, going to Ghana, 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:03.840 this would be the perfect time. You know, I'll be 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.600 in a more beautiful environment, in a more peaceful place, 1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:10.120 and it'd be a great time. And you're going out 1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:12.880 there for your festival. This was the year before that. 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:15.840 This was the year before that, but we were laying 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:19.280 the groundwork for the festival. And yeah, you know I 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:21.560 had all these micro does things because I reached out 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:24.840 to different companies to send me stuff. They sent me 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:26.680 way more than I asked for. I threw it in 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:30.040 a bag, was bringing it back with me, and you know, 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:32.960 boom got slammed and I'm all over the news and 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:35.440 x y Z. But you know what was ill about 1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:39.680 it was like I was so deep in my meditation 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:42.600 at the time. I was used to meditating for hours 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:46.000 on end. So the moment I realized I'm getting locked up, 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:50.160 I didn't start stressing. I started meditating. I'm just I'm 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:53.080 like in a cell like, oh you know what I'm saying, 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:57.240 And mentally I was light years away. I was back 1:01:57.280 --> 1:02:01.000 on the beach in Ghana, and I was like manifesting 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:05.680 my freedom and just my blessing from the moment when 1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:08.000 it started to go left. So when they called me 1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:09.920 and they're like, okay, the lawyer is going to be 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.240 twenty k just to start a retainer. You want the 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:15.160 good win or do you want to you know, cheap 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:16.960 a lawyer, I said, man, just give me the lawyer, 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:21.040 you know, because I told myself, I thank God that 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:23.000 this money has been returned to me in a perfect time, 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:25.680 in a perfect way. And the day I got out 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:30.320 was a Wednesday. Thursday. Dj Oreo brought me to come 1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:34.320 and do a club performance at Tower in Chicago, handed 1:02:34.360 --> 1:02:38.400 me twenty thousand dollars cash. The next day, I was like, oh, 1:02:38.480 --> 1:02:41.439 this shit really work. You know. Whatever I was trying 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:45.400 to do before and you know, trying to scam this 1:02:45.760 --> 1:02:48.600 and trap that, you know what I mean, I could 1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:53.040 just move in an upright way with intention and with 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:56.920 a positive energy and the universe that give me that shit, 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:58.680 you know what I mean. I don't have to ppp 1:02:58.920 --> 1:02:59.960 that shit, you know what I mean. 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:03.280 App the boys was eating bro I was gonna say, 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:06.520 would you say shrooms? Because I'm a big shroom guy. 1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:07.200 I love shroom. 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:09.720 I think that you know, I know it. I think 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:14.240 in organ year that therapy for therapeutic purposes there's like 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:19.680 full legalization. They're they're doing like psilocybin therapy in organ 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:20.800 for like people with PTS. 1:03:20.800 --> 1:03:23.280 Well, that's basically the way I do it now. You know, 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:27.600 I'm sober except for the psychedelic stuff, and I use 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:31.480 it in a healing capacity like its original purpose, like 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:36.880 an indigenous medicine. So I peeped those psychological clinical trials 1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:40.760 that they're doing, and it's about an eighth adjusted for 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:44.920 your body masks, and they'll put you in a in 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:47.600 a room like basically a hospital room with like the 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:52.280 my mask and ambient music in your ears. And that's 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:55.600 the way I started doing the shrooms. And I'll be 1:03:55.680 --> 1:03:57.760 either in a dark room with an eye mask and 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:03.800 the earplugs or ambient music and just go into my mind, 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:05.400 you know what I mean, and use it to like 1:04:05.920 --> 1:04:12.160 deconstruct a lot of the fear and just like negative 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:18.480 emotions and confusion that naturally comes from living the way 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:18.960 we live. 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:21.800 Yeah, I think what people don't understand is like if 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:25.080 you eat trooms with intent, you'll get something out of it. Now, 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:26.880 if you're partying and you're like, I want to eat 1:04:26.880 --> 1:04:28.720 some fucking trooms at the club, you're gonna get that 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:29.240 out of it too. 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:31.520 You also might freak out. You might freak out. But 1:04:31.640 --> 1:04:33.800 that's what I realized too, is like, since I started 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:36.320 to treat it in the way that I treat it, like, 1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:39.800 with respect and reverence, I don't have bad trips right 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:42.200 because I'm not running from anything. I'm not just taking 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:44.960 this to try to have just a jolly old time. 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:46.240 I'm taking it because you. 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:47.080 Want to confront something. 1:04:47.160 --> 1:04:49.360 I want to confront something, and I wanted to reveal 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:53.040 things to me. So there's not really such a thing 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:56.640 as a bad trip if I'm not afraid to confront 1:04:57.080 --> 1:05:00.960 whatever is coming, and if I'm not trying to dictate 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:03.240 the way that this would work. Like, my problem with 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:05.920 mushrooms in the past when I was a kid was 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:10.439 that I started to lean on them as a crutch creatively, 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:12.680 and I got to a point where I felt like 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:18.120 I had to use mushrooms to make dope music. That's 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:20.920 when it stopped working. That's when I started having bad trips. 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:22.600 So that's when I moved on. 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:25.360 Because you're using it as a crutch for something and 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:27.200 it's not. That's not what it's supposed. 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:29.160 To be for. And for me, that had that had 1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:32.520 an expiration date each time. I remember right when the 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:35.680 mushrooms started to not work. So then I did some 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:39.680 MOLLI and wrote an amazing song, you know, and I 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:41.800 was like, Okay, this is my new crutch, and that 1:05:41.880 --> 1:05:47.400 stopped working, started snoring. Adderall that stopped working, started doing coke. 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:49.280 Yeah you know what I mean. That never worked in 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:49.960 the first place. 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:52.400 Yeah, I've never done cocaine. 1:05:51.960 --> 1:05:54.200 But I mean, you're not missing out on That's what 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:54.760 I've heard. Though. 1:05:55.760 --> 1:05:57.320 You know, it's crazy to addall shit. I don't think 1:05:57.320 --> 1:05:59.160 a lot of people talk about it, but like yo, man, 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:02.200 in the music industry, that creative industry, adderall is running 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:04.280 rampant because a lot of these guys who have to 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:07.760 stay up at it, engineer, a lot of dudes, they 1:06:07.840 --> 1:06:11.000 kind of depend as Adderall as a crutch because it 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:13.040 really is like it keeps. I mean, you could speak 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:14.720 to it, you've done it. I heard it's kind of 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:17.840 like what's that Bradley Cooper movie where he takes the 1:06:18.000 --> 1:06:20.000 limitless limitless? I heard it's like a like a like 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:22.040 a limitless type of situation, because if you want to 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:24.800 get a bunch of shit done, you know, I got homies, 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:28.120 so edit a whole fucking complex music video and like 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:30.400 one night because they're off of an adderall. But like 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:33.040 I feel like a lot of creatives are depending on 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:33.720 that right now. 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.520 All that shit just doesn't work forever. It's the thing, 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:40.880 and it fries your neural pathways. 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:42.000 And like you're gonna burn out on that ship. 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:45.320 That's what I mean. The colmdown is crazy, from the 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:48.040 Mali to the adderall, which are really two sides of 1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:53.400 the same coin. It's an amphetamines, it's synthetic serotonin. It's 1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:56.480 pumping your brain full of dopamine and feel good chemicals. 1:06:57.640 --> 1:07:00.760 But when you're off the drugs, now your body's not 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.080 able to produce those things in the same way. So 1:07:03.120 --> 1:07:06.560 you get what they call suicide Tuesday, and you just 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:11.840 be mad depressed because you've used all the serotonin and 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:16.000 it's just not sustainable. Like, so I started to seek 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:20.360 out natural ways to spike my serotonin. So I got 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:24.680 deeply into meditation, because when you meditate, that makes your 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:29.880 serotonin levels spike like thirty percent. You know, crazy massages 1:07:29.960 --> 1:07:33.360 give you serotonin. Spending time in nature. 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:36.040 Have you done the deprivation tank in the water. 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:37.480 Yeah, I did that a while back. 1:07:37.760 --> 1:07:40.520 I heard if you do that, like you could kind 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:42.480 of like trip balls low key, if you're in there 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:43.280 long enough, just with. 1:07:43.240 --> 1:07:46.200 Nothing, you can straight trip off breathing. Yeah, I'd be 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:49.120 doing like deep breath work, you know what I mean. 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:51.680 There's one I do call the whim Hoff breathing method, 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:55.600 and like you know, it's a lot of deep breath 1:07:55.680 --> 1:07:57.960 and then you hold your breath. You do that for 1:07:58.000 --> 1:08:01.480 thirty minutes, like you'd be high, Like you could trip 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:06.360 with absolutely nothing, just off your breath. 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:09.440 Have you fucked with ayahuasca at all? 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:15.080 Hella hella, hella, hella. Fuck with that shit. Yeah, I've been. 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:18.599 I've been doing ayahuasca since twenty sixteen. 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:21.799 You're going to do you? Have you have a shaman? 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:24.960 Like? Yeah? Almost every year. I got a few shimen 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:29.439 that I shamans shamen. Yeah, yeah, I got a feueral. 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:35.040 I think it's shamans. Yeah. I've been doing ayahuascar since 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:38.560 twenty sixteen, so I think I've probably done like about 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:44.519 seven or eight ceremonies by this time, and that has 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:47.960 been super impactful for me. Yeah. 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:50.840 I know people who's done it like a weekend and 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:53.400 it just like changed their whole trajectory of life and 1:08:53.439 --> 1:08:57.120 like they got rid of habits like immediately almost Like. 1:08:57.120 --> 1:08:59.320 I think that has been super impactful for me, going 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:04.800 sober show and just like developing a new mindset and 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:08.559 like mastering my thoughts. 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:11.000 I want to do that, and I'm really I mean, 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:12.920 I have access to d MT. I'm just scared to 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:14.479 do it. I'm just like, I don't know. If I 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:18.479 just hear about I heard t shirt is crazy. It's 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:19.400 like fifteen minutes. 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:22.599 Yeah, it's quick, man. I did. I did one called 1:09:22.600 --> 1:09:26.240 the five M e O d MT. It's called the Toad. 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:29.800 Yeah, that's that's the ship Mike Tyson talks about. Is 1:09:29.840 --> 1:09:31.040 that the ship you have to freebase? 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:35.280 That's what you could call it. It doesn't look too different. 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:39.120 It looks it looks crackheadish for sure, but I heard 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:40.759 it's like crack cattish. 1:09:40.800 --> 1:09:42.519 Yo. It was ill. So I'm gonna tell you the truth. 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:47.080 The last time I did the Toad, I was already 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:48.840 kind of primed for the experience because it was my 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:52.400 second time and I was in a good mind frame 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:54.800 as opposed to like a depressed place. I'm sure it 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:59.439 changes you. So the moment when I inhaled it, you 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:02.719 blast off. But from the jump, I was telling myself, 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:05.479 I'm releasing myself from fear. I am releasing myself from fear. 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:07.800 I'm releasing myself from fear. And I just had this 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:13.160 blissful experience where I really communicated with my grandmother, who 1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:16.960 I never spoke to with words because she didn't speak English. 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:20.240 She was in Ghana and she spoke twee. I didn't 1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:23.880 speak twee. So this was probably the first conversation conversation 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:29.479 I've had with her. And she told me that I 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:34.120 should not be inspired by her fear, but by her love. 1:10:34.240 --> 1:10:38.160 And it was deep to me because I'm not directly 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:42.080 descended from slaves in America, so it didn't click to 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:46.320 me until she told me, like, yes, I carried fear 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:49.680 and I gave you fear. I was enslaved, We were enslaved, 1:10:49.800 --> 1:10:53.719 we were dominated and oppressed, you know, as African people. 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:55.840 But when you think of me, do you think of 1:10:55.880 --> 1:10:58.559 my fear or do you think of my love? And 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:02.240 that was it's so pivotal to me, not only because 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:05.000 I felt like I was having a conversation with my 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:08.519 grandmother that I could never speak to, but also because 1:11:09.120 --> 1:11:12.000 it gave me context that a lot of the fear 1:11:12.560 --> 1:11:16.200 I've carried in my life predates me, is not just me. 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:19.640 Like we're walking around with generational trauma. You know, there 1:11:19.680 --> 1:11:23.640 are things that happen in your bloodline before you that 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:27.080 are passed down to you. So now the question is 1:11:27.600 --> 1:11:30.160 how are you going to deal with it? You know 1:11:30.160 --> 1:11:33.799 what I mean? Are you going to unconsciously be guided 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:37.800 by the fear in your trauma bloodline or are you 1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:40.760 going to learn to identify it and to transcend it. 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:45.120 So the toad helped me to work towards transcending it. 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:49.040 Yeah, I've had people tell me my boy John John 1:11:49.120 --> 1:11:51.519 said he lived like a six month. 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:53.360 Life in that fifteen minutes. 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:56.599 No, he said, He's like, Bro, I had a girlfriend, 1:11:57.240 --> 1:11:59.360 I went to a job in job. 1:12:00.320 --> 1:12:02.639 I was like, and when he told me, what did 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:04.200 that nigga do? Hey? 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:06.200 When he told me that, I was like, yeah, I don't. 1:12:06.320 --> 1:12:08.120 I don't think I want to do that, gang. 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:10.360 I think I'm good like I want to do it. 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:15.680 My ship was a proper fifteen minutes like yeah, yeah, 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:17.240 that's just like kind of rock and. 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:20.760 Yeah, fucking crazy. I was gonna ask you, uh talk 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.200 about just like obviously you know you got the Black 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:25.599 Star Festival which is in Africa, which is dope. 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:26.639 That's you in Chance. 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:31.120 Right, Yeah what what what inspired you to do that? 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:34.520 Man? You know it was really being on the podcast 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:37.960 in South Africa, Okay, and I'm talking to these dudes. 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:41.920 They got a dope platform called Sobring podcasts. Hip hop heads. 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:46.160 They know everything, bro, they're knowing versus from when I 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:49.040 first met you. Yeah, kids, these days music, you know 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.639 what I mean? All my Ship, all Chance Ship, Shoey perp, 1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:55.120 Like I haven't heard that game for a while, my 1:12:55.280 --> 1:12:59.320 click my uh. You know, all the people that come 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:03.200 up at the same they're knowing all the music. And 1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:07.040 it just struck me, like, how is it that we 1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:11.719 don't come and perform for these people, like and they're 1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:14.880 huge fans of the music, they love the culture. You know, 1:13:15.200 --> 1:13:17.720 there's got to be something that can be done about this, 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:22.639 because world tours happen. But he thinks that the kids 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:26.680 in Ghana and Nigeria and South Africa are oblivious to 1:13:26.720 --> 1:13:30.200 the fact that they're never on the list. That's real, 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:32.200 you know what I mean. You call it a world tour. 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:34.720 People go to Germany, people go to Brazil. 1:13:34.560 --> 1:13:38.200 But you're leaving out a whole continent that not only is, 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:41.880 you know, the birthplace of black people, and hip hop 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:46.120 music is the most ubiquitous form of communication. Black art 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:49.200 form is taken a world by storm, and you know, 1:13:49.280 --> 1:13:53.240 we're often just completely out of touch with an entire 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:57.000 continent of people. So that's when I just started thinking about, Yo, 1:13:57.040 --> 1:13:59.880 there's got to be a way that we could bring 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:03.639 the black artists to come and perform for the fans 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:09.160 in Africa and to meet the land and experience the 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:12.519 continent for real. And it's going to take favors, it's 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:16.720 going to take friends, it's going to take mission and 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:21.240 people buying in to that mission. But it's doable. And 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:25.040 when Chance came to visit me in Ghana, I just 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:26.599 started to kick it to him and he was just 1:14:27.240 --> 1:14:31.920 immediately on the same wavelength and in that same mind frame, 1:14:32.120 --> 1:14:33.639 and it happened quickly. 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:36.439 That's dope, man. We'll look The album's coming up September fifteen. 1:14:36.439 --> 1:14:40.720 September fifteenth Victor album Any Features, Yeah, you got on 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:42.120 the album. 1:14:42.439 --> 1:14:46.760 You know one that I'm really excited about is Jay Electronica. 1:14:46.880 --> 1:14:50.040 Ooh, shout out to jail elect He gave me a 1:14:50.200 --> 1:14:52.960 crazy verse. I bet. I mean, I don't know if 1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:55.720 he's ever not given someone a crazy verse. It's be 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:57.400 hard to it'd be really hard for him to wrap. 1:14:58.160 --> 1:14:59.519 Like he can't do it. 1:14:59.640 --> 1:15:04.280 Yeah, like yeah, shout out to Jay elect Yo. It's crazy. Uh, 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:07.280 I just I was just having this conversation with somebody 1:15:07.280 --> 1:15:10.320 and I just educated somebody on crucial conflict. 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:14.680 That's crazy because we're working on sample and crucial conflict. 1:15:14.360 --> 1:15:17.679 Right, you guys sampled telling him these days. 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:20.400 We used to play. We used to play that. 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:22.680 That fucking Traphouse rock album when they used to come 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:26.200 out with us, like I would have Cold Hart was 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:28.920 it never never was in the group. I remember I 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:30.520 used to know all the wild Style. 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:34.439 Wild Style. Yeah, that's shown it was. 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:34.800 It was. 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:37.080 It was really cold Heart and Kelo that would that 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:37.880 would rock with us. 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:39.800 Shout to the Final Tick a classic album. 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:42.839 Yo. They would come out and crowdsurfer. When we were seventeen, 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:45.720 they come out with us at the Metro in Chicago, 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:49.880 be crowdsurfing. These guys like Keilo is a big guy, 1:15:50.120 --> 1:15:52.640 two hundred plus pounds. You know, CrowdSurf. 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:54.880 I remember those guys with their leather overalls on the 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:57.240 cover of that album, and I had the bookletud them 1:15:57.280 --> 1:16:00.800 guys is legends, So also shout trying to do or die? 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:04.439 To do or Die also another very undoing appreciated legends 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:08.679 both West Side of Chicago. You know, legends that brought 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:11.240 a style just to the world. 1:16:11.520 --> 1:16:13.800 Have you chopped it up with Twitch? I know Twist 1:16:13.880 --> 1:16:15.720 is doing like it was a Twist about a week ago, 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:16.679 he's doing a lot of Twister. 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:19.000 Came out at the APT Oh Dope, Well. 1:16:18.880 --> 1:16:21.080 I know he's like doing a lot in the like 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:24.160 trying to like properly show people how to use guns 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:27.160 in Chicago, do it the legal way so that it 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:29.439 is dope super dope man. Well, look, go get the 1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:32.519 album on the fifteenth. I can't believe it's your second album. 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:35.719 I mean technically it's like you're like sixth right, fifth 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:39.280 CPS and all this internet tape we're not considering an album. 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:42.400 Basically is hey, shout out to this guy for people 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:44.640 who don't know, I did a mixtape called Empire Business 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:50.000 and you gave me orange Soda before Orange Juice. I 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:51.720 didn't My graphic designer fucked that up. 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:53.519 So was it? Because I was trying to remember the 1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:56.960 other day, I was like, was it me or was 1:16:56.960 --> 1:16:57.240 it you? 1:16:57.439 --> 1:16:59.920 I don't remember. I just remember when I put the artwork. 1:17:00.000 --> 1:17:01.880 If you hit me, you're like, it's Orange Soda, bro, 1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:03.640 So it must have been. But it was on my 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:05.880 shit like well before it in. 1:17:05.960 --> 1:17:08.120 That tape drop. Yeah it was. That was like before 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:11.280 it came out. Yeah, shouts to man, Damn, that's crazy. 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:14.320 I didn't even remember that. Yes, and then semtexs put 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:17.640 it on like BBC Radio. 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:21.600 Classic Classic record. I appreciate you pulling up the alas. 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:23.519 Man, my god, that's love. 1:17:23.600 --> 1:17:25.519 Boom fire. Hey, what up? 1:17:25.520 --> 1:17:25.720 Man? 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:28.559 You just watched another episode of the blueleg Cap podcast, 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:31.559 brought to you by Hardan. Baby. Shout out to the 1:17:31.560 --> 1:17:35.080 family at Hard Dean. Don't forget. 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