1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hi everyone, welcome to like the zillion 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast this week, because after this one we 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: have another one. So today, right now, today I'm with 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: the beautiful Serene, and then in a couple hours I'm 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: gonna be with Clayton and Susie, So stay tuned for 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: that episode. But hello, Serene, let's talk about this finale. Um, 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: after watching the past two weeks, back, the two weeks 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: that you weren't a part of in real life, what 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: are your feelings about everything? Are you glad you were 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: eliminated when you were That's the million dollar question, right, Yeah, 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: I kind of left before everything hit the fan, and 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, I was so sad and heartbroken at the time, 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: and obviously time helped with that. But UM, yeah, I'm 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: glad I wasn't there. When did you feel recovered from 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: the heartbreak? Um? You know, maybe like a month after 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: I had left, Um, a month and a half. Um, 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: I had a lot of time to reflect and think. 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm a teacher and so I didn't come back teaching 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: until the next semester started, and so I had some 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: time off. Okay, Well, during your hometown. Everyone fell in 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: love with your brother. He's awesome. There was like chance 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: that we should have him be the next Bachelor. How 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: did he take that last week two weeks ago? Oh 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: my goodness. He is like still so shocked with everything. Um, 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: he is just excited to be here. He was last night. 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: He was with me last night too, So it's a 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: whole new world. I'm a little more used to it 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: at this point than he is. But oh, it would 30 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: be so fun. Okay, I'm gonna plant an idea that's 31 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: probably already in the producer's heads, but I want to 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: put it out there to the public. Why don't you 33 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: bring him to Bachelor in Paradise with you? Like I 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: brought my sister to Bachelor in Paradise. It's been done before. 35 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Um, yeah, he's a good time. He's 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: a good time. So we're doing this. He's my brother, 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: and so I'm like, I don't know, I don't know, 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, I'm trying to let 39 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: him live in his moment and of his own experiences too, 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: so you can have separate experiences in Paradise. Right, I'm like, 41 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't want you to see me kiss anyone the 42 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: palm tree, right exactly? Okay, Well, Um, overall, how would 43 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: you say your your bachelor experience has been and and 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: are you willing to do Paradise? Yeah? I actually had 45 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: a really good experience. You know, aside from it being 46 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: really hard leaving at the time and feeling like I 47 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: didn't have what I needed in that in those moments leaving, um, 48 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: it ended up being a really good experience. I learned 49 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: so much about myself. You know, so many friends that 50 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, we've gone through this crazy experience together. No 51 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: one else really understands like what we just went through, 52 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: and so we're all really tighten it. Um. So it 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: was a wonderful experience. Would do it again? Um, I 54 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: honestly would love to go to Paradise. Um. I am 55 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: still you know, single and still wanting to find my guy, 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: and you know, there are some cuties out there, so 57 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm just hopeful and excited that I'll get to be there. 58 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: You can't say there are some cuties without naming who 59 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: you think is cute. Oh god, on see, I shot 60 00:03:54,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: myself in this. Um. Yeah, I'm mean there are multiple. 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: It's just hard though, because I'm so big on personality 62 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: that I don't want to say anything and then be 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: like glued to it because I feel like, you know, 64 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I can think someone's attractive and then meet them and 65 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: then it's just like not the vibe, you know what 66 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: I mean? So big on personalities, So it's I don't know, 67 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to say, but there there are 68 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: a couple. Okay, well that's a great way of getting 69 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: out of answering that question. I'll give you one more chance. 70 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: Who do you think it's cute? Now? It's okay, I 71 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: already put you on the spot. It's fine, it's fine, 72 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: We'll we'll find out soon enough. I'm sure who you're into. 73 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: Who you ask the producers that you want to be there, 74 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: And there's a whole other season of guys that you'll 75 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: get to choose from. When you see your friends Gabby 76 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: and Rachel become bachelorette, and then you'll get their quote 77 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: quote rejects. How okay, how do you feel about Gabby 78 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: and Rachel both being Bachelorette? I need to give my 79 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: little two cents on this. Ever since Caitlin and Um 80 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: and britt we're you know, seven years ago both chosen 81 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, I thought this is how that season was 82 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: going to go. When I initially heard two bachelorettes, I 83 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, they'll like date together. It will 84 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: be like, oh, group date with Gabby, a group date 85 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: with Rachel. That's very much the way that Joe Millionaire 86 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: went this year. I wonder if they were inspired by that. Okay, 87 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: so I said that sounds a cool idea, and then 88 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: they ended up having to choose, you know, between Caitlin 89 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: and Britt and then that was like not so cool. 90 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: But ever since I had you know, not just me, 91 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: but like that idea was planted that two girls could 92 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: date the group at the same time. I thought they 93 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: should do that. So I'm really excited, and I think 94 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: like Rachel and Gabby are both very likable. I think 95 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: we would be sad for the other one if they 96 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: didn't get the opportunity. So back to my question for you, 97 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: how do you feel about your I'm assuming two friends 98 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: becoming the bachelorette together. I love them both so much, 99 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: and I don't think that there was a better scenario. 100 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Like at all, um, I hadn't thought about the chance 101 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: of their being two of them, just because we had 102 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: to last the last two seasons, so I wasn't really sure, 103 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: like what that minute here about it, But I'm so 104 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: happy for both of them. They so deserve it. They 105 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: are both like the kindest, most funny women. They're gonna 106 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: be entertaining to watch. And you know, I'm here for 107 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the love stories to like it's living in the house 108 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: with him. I fell in love with them, you know, 109 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: So I think it will be so easy for the 110 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: audience to do the same, for thirty men to do 111 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: the same. They're both incredible. It is going to be 112 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: so interesting to watch. I wonder how it's going to work. 113 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: I did not watch Joe Millionaire, but I've heard about it. 114 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: But you know, I've seen the tweets of people being 115 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: like that would be interesting, um, and now it's happening. 116 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: So do they have similar taste in men? Do we 117 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: know their type outside of Clayton? I, you know, I 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: think that they're so different in every way. Yeah, they 119 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: really are both obviously dated Clayton and so, and you 120 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: know they had they were both really invested in their 121 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: relationships with him, and so I think there might be 122 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of crossing over. But they have the 123 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: same type. I can already foresee. It's ord they're gonna 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: both like one guy. He's gonna well, they're like gonna 125 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: be really invested in one guy. And I'm sure like 126 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: they'll each have like a couple, you know, individually, but 127 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: then there's gonna be this one guy who both of 128 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: them want to take the top three, and then he's 129 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: gonna say I love them both. Yeah, but like that's 130 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: so it's crazy to think though, like are they going 131 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: to have to pick like for hometowns, like or the 132 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: guys going to have to pick who they go with? 133 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: Or can they go with both or like I'm sure 134 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: they're going to kind of make it up as they go. 135 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: Whatever is the most dramatic scenario. They'll probably go. Yeah, 136 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, wild to think about. Craziness. All right, seriously, 137 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: so many It's gonna keep each week interesting and I 138 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: love that. We definitely need something fresh. I'm excited. I 139 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: think they're going to get a boost in viewers because 140 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: of it. Let's take a quick break and we will 141 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: go through this finale straight through. All right. Let's start 142 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: with Clayton Um talking to Susie. Basically she comes to 143 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: his room or I guess Jesse comes to Susie's room 144 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: and is like, so, Clayton really wants to be with you, basically, 145 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: and then she knocks on the door. She says hello 146 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: quickly to his parents, pulls him aside, and that's when 147 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: he's basically like, I'm going I just want to be 148 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: with you. I love you the most again, right, you 149 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: know I still love you the most. And then she's 150 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: he basically says in that moment, I'm going to dump 151 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: the other girls because like I want to be with you. 152 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: Even if it turns out that you don't want to 153 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: be with me, I'm gonna let you go and linger 154 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: this over and um yeah, but my decisions made like 155 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: it's you or nothing. So then he goes and he 156 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: breaks up with the other girls together. What are your 157 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: thoughts on this? Why does he do everything together? Why 158 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: are all these big moments together. I have to say, 159 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: like Caitlin Bristow and I were talking a little bit yesterday, 160 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: it just seems like, you know, the poor guy was 161 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: very had no backbone with like production suggestions. I honestly like, 162 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: I have no clue because I never would have done that. 163 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: And I know it's easy to say that having not 164 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: been in his shoes. But I just I can't imagine 165 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: the scenario of breaking up with people in a group 166 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: like that. Um I mean I even thought like telling 167 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: you know them you love them in a group together, 168 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: even though he had said it like separately, I wouldn't 169 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: have done that either, because in turn you end up 170 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: having to have two separate conversations. Anyway, Um, I was 171 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: so like that was what I was in the most 172 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: shocked by. I mean, I think pretty much every I think, yeah, 173 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: that was the moment that was the most jaw dropping. 174 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, I saw him wanting to be 175 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: with Susie and like, you know, like trying to pursue 176 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: that all the way. But I didn't foresee this group 177 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: break up. I think, you know, and I think no 178 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: matter what it was going to be, you know, it 179 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: already turned into a mess. It was going to be heartbreaking, 180 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: um for whoever. And that was going to be hard 181 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: decision and uncomfortable decision for him. But at the same time, 182 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: like I get it, like follow your heart, like if 183 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: you feel sick, like you can't choose the other two, 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: Like I get it, But the breaking up with them 185 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: at the same time thing was what I was the 186 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: most jarred by. Um I it was really hard to watch. 187 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: And then it's like, Okay, you're leaving with someone to 188 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: go check on them, and then leaving someone there. I 189 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: just thought that there should have been like two separate conversations. 190 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's for me to say like what I 191 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: would have done, but like, I'm not the Bachelor, but 192 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: like that I didn't agree with that, and that was 193 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: it was really hard to watch. Yeah, we've seen similar 194 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: situations where the Bachelor, the lead would ever go and 195 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: breaks up with multiple people at this point in the 196 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: cool competition process process, and it's always them like knocking 197 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: on separate doors. So very very bizarre. And it's and 198 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: when people I'm assuming when people say, like the way 199 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: that he treated like there's lots of comments online being 200 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: like I can't believe the way that he treated Gabby 201 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: in Rachel. What's your take on that? Because my take 202 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: is the fact that he's doing this in a group 203 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: setting and like not treating them like with a lot 204 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: of empathy I think. But like, I think people need 205 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: to realize this is something that Caitlin and I were 206 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: talking about yesterday. This is still the process, This is 207 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: still the Bachelor process, we still eliminate people down to 208 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: the person that we want to be with. And I 209 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: think that like somewhere along the way in the past 210 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: couple of weeks that was muddled and maybe in again, 211 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: like guys, I keep referencing the Caitlin conversation, but we 212 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: didn't really break this down. I think that possibly that's 213 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: because we're rooting for these girls harder than we're rooting 214 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: for Clayton. And that's probably because we didn't really know Clayton, 215 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: because you know, we didn't get attached to him on 216 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: a previous season. So here we are knowing the girls 217 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: just as much as him, And I think that people 218 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: are kind of forgetting that this is the bachelor process, 219 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: like he has to dump people in order to be 220 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: with the person who wants to be with. Yeah, I know, 221 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: so true. There is something I've been thinking about also though, 222 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: like as far as like you know, empathy and like 223 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: thinking things through. He didn't go to hometowns, he didn't 224 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: go to fantasy suites. Yeah, that's that's the thing. He 225 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: doesn't know how that feels, how it feels, um, you know, 226 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: I'm sure he had an idea of like how invested 227 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: they both were, like you could see it in his 228 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: face when he talked to them, But um, yeah, I 229 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: mean I think it was just you know, it's his 230 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: first time doing this and so he wasn't really you know, 231 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: I think at the time he thought he was doing 232 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: the best thing. Um. I really have to wonder with him, 233 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, deciding to go in there in a group, 234 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: like did we all know that he was just going 235 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: to go break up with them together or did anybody 236 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: say maybe we should have separate conversations or was he like, no, 237 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: this is how I want to do it. I don't know, 238 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: He's like, I want to rub the band right off. 239 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't want you this twice, like he had to 240 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: have two separate conversations anyways, So, um, I don't know. 241 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: It's so tough and it's I that was like the 242 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: hardest part for me to watch, especially like them both 243 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: being my friends and like, you know, convincing Gabby to 244 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: stay like she wanted to leave, And like my issue 245 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: is that too, that there's the issue is like just 246 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: begging for her to stay, saying that like staying is 247 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: a testament to the relationship. That's like a whole different 248 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: thing though, because then you get to like the elimination 249 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: of it all, Like that is part of the process. 250 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: Like when I got broken up with my whole thing 251 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: was I'm not mad you're breaking up with me. I'm 252 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: mad that like I feel like you're not really giving 253 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: me answers. That's where I remember you saying that, and 254 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, I think for them it 255 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: was probably similar a lot more painful because you know 256 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: they did have that intimate time and like hours on 257 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: end together with like no interruption. But like it's just 258 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: it's so tough to think about, like not like being 259 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: addressed in a group so often. It kind of like 260 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: do not feel like an individual? Yeah, well I'm thinking yeah, 261 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: I just like Gabby says, you know, you took two 262 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: days away from me that I could have been with 263 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: my friends and family. And I totally see that side 264 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: where it's like you dragged me on for another two 265 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: days after begging me to stay. That's so messed up. 266 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: But ag'in to play Devil's Out Avoca. It's kind of 267 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: the process. It's like you need the yeah, you need 268 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: like the amount of days that you need to make 269 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: the decision. I still love Gab. I love the way 270 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: that Gabby handled herself in that moment. She just was 271 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: like no, Bis, she was like, no, yeah, I don't 272 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: really want to hear it from you. You're like, you're 273 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm over I'm really over this. I think they handled 274 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: this brig up exactly how we imagined, which was basically 275 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: how they didn't last. The previous night's episode, Rachel extremely emotional, 276 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: just like would do anything to stay with him, and 277 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: then Gabby just being like nah, goodbye. She just I 278 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: feel like she really knew her worth. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Um. 279 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: I knew Rachel was going to be a little harder 280 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: to watch just because I know Rachel. Um. I knew 281 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: Gabby would probably have a different ever reaction. Um, I 282 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: was trying to think. I'm like, how would I react 283 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: in this situation? And I feel like I would have 284 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: been a little more like Gabby. So that's awesome. Caitlin 285 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: and I were saying, we wish we could be Gabby, 286 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: but we know we'd be Rachel. I know I would 287 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: be Rachel, justly Rachel. Behind the scenes. I like, I 288 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: don't know if you saw my face when I left, 289 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I was stone cold, and then I got I cried 290 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: as soon as I walked into the hose. Well good 291 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: through you. I love that you're able to keep the 292 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: poise and then break down. That is an admirable quality 293 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: I wish I had. Oh no, I wasn't trying, Like 294 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I was just shocked, so like I didn't hit you. 295 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: Then I was extended a little like Piste at the 296 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: same time. Um yeah, it was. It was. I knew 297 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: Rachel was going to be really hard to watch, Like 298 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: I had tears in my eyes. I'm like trying to 299 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: like suck them back into my eyeballs, like watching last night. 300 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Um yeah, but I I mean I know, ultimately, you know, 301 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: it comes down to the decision. It comes down to 302 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: the process, and like if Susie was still there, and 303 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: Susie ended up meeting the family even briefly, and that's 304 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: what he decided he wanted. I don't think either of 305 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: them had an issue with that being his choice. It 306 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: was just like the way that he got to that 307 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: choice and the way he navigated the decisions, like prior 308 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: to that, what was what like that was what was 309 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: so hurtful? I think, um, because like no one wants 310 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: to be chosen just because someone else isn't there, and 311 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: they both made that, you know, and I think just 312 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: like the process that, like the actual process that was chosen, 313 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: like the path that was chosen to get there, is 314 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: what was so tough to watch and just so hard 315 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: for both of them, you know, a little synopsis of 316 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: Gabby and Clayton on stage together with Jesse Um. Gabby 317 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: tells Clayton that watching it back makes her feel super misled. 318 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: She said she wasn't given all the information, especially when 319 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: she was deciding whether she wanted to leave or not. 320 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: And she said, that's what hurts the most. She feels betrayed. 321 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: And he said, there's nothing, um, I can do more 322 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: than apologize. And he says, watching it back, you know, 323 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: he wished he could have handled it differently and didn't 324 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: have any bad intentions. When she says that she wasn't 325 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: given all the information, is that the fact that what? What? 326 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: Is that? What? What didn't she say? I guess I 327 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: guess that he loved that. He said, yeah, he forgot 328 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: to tell them. I love you both, but I love 329 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: Susie the most. That's that's a big missing part. Yeah, 330 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: I think you know, even watching you know, the Fantasy 331 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: suitet dates. By the end of each of them I 332 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: was like, they each think they're the one, right, definitely 333 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: think they're the one, which is like, you know, I 334 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: assume part of the normal experience. Yeah, if you've been, 335 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: if you're hold I love you in the fantasy suite, 336 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: you're pretty sure that you're the one. Yeah. Yeah. So um, 337 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know exactly what she meant 338 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: by that. I mean there was a lot of information 339 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: left out there was you know, I think he was 340 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: so focused on trying to keep them there that he 341 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: was just sharing, you know, like I don't want you 342 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: to leave, like I want to see this through with you. 343 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: But then the other side of that was I guess 344 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: he wasn't being like fully transparent about like his other feelings, 345 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: like yeah, I'm shattered Susie's gone, but like I still 346 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: want to explore this with you. But like in his 347 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: mind he was like, oh my goodness, this might be 348 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: like over for me. I guess, I guess. But maybe 349 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: am I like giving him too much credit and thinking that, 350 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: like it maybe didn't dawn on him that he wanted 351 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: to go after Susie until after the two met his family. 352 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: I think he did, but he was so mad when 353 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: she had that conversation with him at the end of 354 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: their date, like that kind of blinded his view of 355 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: like what you really wanted, and he was like reacting, 356 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: I think to that and just trying to move on 357 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: from that. Like you see him shut the door and 358 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: he's like everything happens for a reason. Um, And so 359 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: I think maybe his mind changed or maybe he thought 360 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: differently in that moment, but it was just like a 361 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: rush of emotions and like his true feelings of like okay, 362 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: like I do love you the most, We're still there. Yeah, 363 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: like he needed time to soften a little bit, right right, Yeah, okay. 364 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: So then one other last thing about Gabby and Clayton 365 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: up on stage together. Um, Clayton says, I want you 366 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: to know that I did have love for all of you. 367 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: And then Gabby says, when you say love someone, you're 368 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: you're assuming responsibility to love them and to care for them, 369 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: and you didn't do any of those things. What do 370 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: you think about him actually truly being in love and 371 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: using Like I I kind of I agree with her. 372 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: I was I was talking to yesterday. I really think 373 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: that he was in lust with all of them and 374 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: was just getting really confused because it didn't really seem 375 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: like love, especially when we see the behavior. I don't know, 376 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: and it's like, I've never been in love with multiple 377 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: people at once. I've never thought I was in love 378 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: with multi multiple people at once. So it's hard to 379 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: imagine like where he's coming from with that. And like 380 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting too when Gabby, you know, 381 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: said I do think I could fall in love with 382 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: more than one person. Yeah, She's like, I might just 383 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: like navigate it differently or something. I can't believe these 384 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: girls are totally going to be haunted by this. There's 385 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: gonna be multiple loves in this upcoming season. Yeah, um yeah. 386 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: But I think I think my issue was more of 387 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: I had love for both of you. It's like you're 388 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: still putting them in a group when you're having a 389 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 1: singular conversation. And I was like, again, but I do 390 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: think he deeply cared for them. I mean, and I'm 391 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: saying that too because I left right before all of this, 392 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: like I felt like he maybe could love me too, 393 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: and so I think it's just he had like a 394 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: wild experience and like wasn't prepared for all of that. 395 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't, I can't, even like I think, 396 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, falling in love and being in love are 397 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: different things. I get confused on you know, he said 398 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: he was in love or falling in love to who 399 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: or what? Like, I get confused about all of that. 400 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: I think he said he loved them both and he 401 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: was falling in love with both of them, but so 402 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: many different ways of saying it. On The Bachelor, Yeah, yeah, 403 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: I think you know, to be in love with someone 404 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: like that, you would be a little more I don't know, 405 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: respect their boundaries at that time. You know, someone says 406 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm done, like there's still multiple people there and like 407 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: you're fighting for all of them. Like I think that 408 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: there was love there, but like what that looks like 409 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: for him, Like I don't know. Rachel something about like 410 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: she didn't know what his definition of love was, Like 411 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't, I have no clue, Like I'm confused as 412 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: the rest of us by all of this. Um, yeah, 413 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: well you know the man, So that makes me feel 414 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: like I can listen to your opinion with like a 415 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: little bit more strength. Yeah, yeah, for sure, And I 416 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: think I was. I was blindsided and confused when I 417 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: left too, So uh it's yeah, I don't know. Well, 418 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: he's been getting so much criticism. UM, I got to 419 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: know from you, somebody who actually knows him. Do you 420 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: do you watch these episodes and you're like, oh, I'm 421 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: so glad I dodged this bullet Or do you have 422 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: more empathy than you think the average viewer does. It's 423 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of both, because I think I think 424 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: knowing him, I expected a little bit better navigation of 425 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: some of these situations. And you know, like being someone 426 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: who said like I was in love with him, like 427 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: I felt like I knew him well enough to feel safe, 428 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: and I think kind of off. That's where Gabby was 429 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: coming from with that comment, And I would have hoped 430 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: that he would have never done something like that to me. Um. 431 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: And so I can see where the girls are coming from. 432 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: But also I have a lot of empathy for him, 433 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: because you know, this is his first time doing this, 434 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: and like, he didn't make it to these parts of 435 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: Michelle's season, and you know, I was thrown right into 436 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: it immediately, um, as soon as he got home. And 437 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: so I do have a lot of empathy for him. Umm. 438 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: They're like so many different moving parts, multiple people. UM. 439 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: I know that he had strong feelings for a lot 440 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: of people. And so it's just I think watching him 441 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: navigate it for the first time, like as someone that 442 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: knows him, and you know, I had gotten over it 443 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: and gotten my closure, like you know before the show 444 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: started airing, So it was more of hoping that he 445 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: did it to the best of his ability, because like 446 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: you know, you always care for someone and like you 447 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: know that the shoes that he's in, he's getting so 448 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: much criticism and like so much like unnecessary hate. So 449 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of both for me, Like 450 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad I wasn't there. I do think everything happens 451 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: for a reason. Um, seeing like more now like I'm 452 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: for sure like oh, there's no way that was ever 453 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: like the person and for me, But at the time, 454 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: like I do know him, I do like care for 455 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: his well being and his mental health, and like I do, 456 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: like you know, I was it was hard sitting there 457 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: at the women until all and hearing some of the 458 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: stuff that was being said too, And you know, it 459 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: sucks when some of it's true and like some of 460 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: it's like warranted. It doesn't make it feel any better 461 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: to like watch someone just be repeatedly like kind of 462 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: harped on for the same things, but like you know, 463 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: he is accepting of his um reactions and you know 464 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: how he's like navigated through all of this and he's 465 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: like learning from it. And I think that's like you 466 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: can ask from him. Yes, all said and done. You 467 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: know that is totally true. And like he said last night, 468 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: he was like, I have learned more in like the 469 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: past five months than basically ever before. Five years is 470 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: five years in five months? Okay, thank you for the 471 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: exact quote. Um, So I gotta know your take on 472 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: the way that he spoke as Susie last week, because 473 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: that's what I really can't get over when I see 474 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: the two of them together Now, I'm like, how did 475 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: she get over that? If I can't get over that? Yeah, 476 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean it was hard like watching that, Like he said, 477 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: he didn't know who he was looking at, and my mouth, 478 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: I don't know where you are at because like I 479 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: dated him too, like I was two, and I was 480 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: like who is that? Like I didn't know there, and 481 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: so that was like really scary, you know, knowing that 482 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: you can go through this process, I can get that 483 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: far and like not see you know, there's a dark 484 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: start something that they might need to work on. Too, 485 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, no, that was tough. And Susie is 486 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: an absolute angel. She's so calm while spoken. She was 487 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: like my roommate the entire time. So proud of how 488 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: she handled herself through that. Um, I don't know how 489 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: I would have been, but I think she was incredible 490 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: and um really proud of her for that. But yeah, no, 491 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: that was insane to watch. Like, I was super uncomfortable 492 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: with it and super shocked. I had no idea that 493 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: that was coming, you know. I was like, Okay, maybe 494 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: it's a disagreement, maybe it's a fight, but those words 495 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: were they were so hurtful. Um, it was. It was 496 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: really hard to watch for sure. All Right, well, I 497 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: want to talk to you more about Susie and Clayton 498 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: and their relationship. We got to take a quick break, 499 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that right after this. If you 500 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: missed it, we had Caitlin Bristow on the podcast yesterday. 501 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: I go check out the episode. We had so much fun. 502 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: As you probably heard, I've been referencing the conversation a 503 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: zillion times. We had some poignant thoughts on this season 504 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: of the Bachelor to our listeners, are like a nice 505 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: glass of wine, like Caitlin like or two or three 506 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: your whole bottle all good? Um uh, if you like that, 507 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: if you like one, you like The Bachelor, and you 508 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: like embarrassing stories. Check out Caitlin's podcast Off the Vine. 509 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: Whether that's talking about the importance of self care, letting 510 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: go of shame, the comparison game, the comparison game we 511 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: all feel that um or the hardships of feeling misunderstood. 512 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: Caitlin isn't holding back. She's talking about all of that 513 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: stuff every Tuesday and Thursday. Get ready, as the co 514 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: host of the Bachelorette takes us through her wild world 515 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: of dance, vino, the Bachelor, celeb friends, more vino, and 516 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: anything else that comes into her life, like her new fiance, Oh, 517 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: Jason Tarctic. What a cute couple they are. So she's 518 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: gonna talk about all this stuff and you're gonna get 519 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: some good laughs, you're gonna get some unfiltered advice, and 520 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: more importantly, you're gonna find ways to empower pe pool 521 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: because Caitlin does a great job empowering people. Um, and 522 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna get fueled by some liquid courage. It's a 523 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: celebration of life backstage behind the social media curtain, listened 524 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: to Off the Vine wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Serene, 525 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: when did you find out that Clayton and Susie were 526 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: rekindling things? Because you say that you guys are roommates, 527 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: so you must have a relationship outside of the Bachelor 528 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: bubble as well, Right, Um, I didn't never really ask 529 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: any questions because I didn't want it to know, um 530 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: with any of the top three. So I found out 531 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: like this week. Okay, I'm so confused. You guys, we 532 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: knew everything. We had this big Bachelor message and we 533 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: were just like blah blah blah blah blah, Like I 534 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: knew the entire way that this is going to unfold 535 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: the season when I was on the show, and now 536 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: you tell me this. And then Jill because she's from 537 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: Rhode Island and then we hang out. She's like best 538 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: friends of the Rachel and I asked her just a 539 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: couple of days ago. I was like, so like, but 540 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, like what happens with Rachel? Right, And she's like, no, 541 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: I really don't, like what do you mean? Like why 542 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: are you guys asking these things? Like good for you? 543 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: You're watching like fans, and I like that. Well, there was, 544 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: Like I mean, honestly, there was so much love between 545 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: all of us that we were all I think everyone 546 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: was so respecting of everyone is respectful. It just really 547 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: feels respectful. Like the top four of us didn't even 548 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: get added to like the big group chat until like 549 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: way after everyone else because people were kind of like 550 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: scared of it. Are you okay? Like do you fuck? Like? 551 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't know? Um, yeah, And I think for me, 552 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know like if I asked someone like, am 553 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: I asking someone to like spill the beans on their 554 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: heartbreak and maybe they're not ready to talk about it yet, 555 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: I've had no clue. Well, you guys were right. The 556 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 1: way that everything ended for these girls was scary. You know, 557 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: it's something that they wouldn't want to talk about with 558 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: the group for a while. Glad I didn't cry because 559 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: all right, Well, then this week when you found out 560 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: that they were together, what were your thoughts, especially since 561 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: you found this out while you're watching this happen on TV, 562 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: Because if you're like the average fan, I think we're 563 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: all like, really, Susie, are you sure? Yeah? That's the 564 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: thing is like I like knowing Susie and like being 565 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: so close with her, like I trust her judgment and 566 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: like her decision making, and like I know that she 567 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: will stand up for herself through and through. I know 568 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: that the conversations that they will have had to have, 569 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, before all of this, you know, within the 570 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: couple of months, had to have been you know, big 571 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: enough for them to be together right now. You know, 572 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: was able to state her piece and like calmly leave 573 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: and then even after that, still having the feelings that 574 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: she had for him, even though they were a little 575 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: different than his. You know, I felt like her feelings 576 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: were maybe a little jaded at that point. You know. 577 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: Just that was like my interpretation of it is, it's 578 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: like you don't want like this magical moment, like a 579 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: proposal starting of forever, to be meddled by like everything 580 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: that we just went through. And I think the way 581 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: that she said that was, you know, she has such 582 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: a way with words, like she's so good at expressing herself, 583 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: and um, I think knowing her the conversations that they 584 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: will have had in private up to this point, I 585 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: think that you know, she's making an educated decision for herself. Um, 586 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I haven't had a chance 587 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: to talk to her since then, and I can't wait 588 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: to coloring it, you know a little more of the details, 589 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: since you know, we were so close in the house 590 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: and everything. But um, you know, I think if after 591 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: all this, she's decided, you know, to reach out to him. 592 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: They said that she reached out to him, you know, 593 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: she decided to reach out to him, and they had 594 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: those conversations. She did say it sounded like they had 595 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: been like working on building a new foundation, and I 596 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: was like, okay, girl, like snaps for you, like there, 597 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: it sounds like they're thinking things through, um and they've 598 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: really had like the time to talk a lot of 599 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: this stuff out. I think we were all shocked by it. 600 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like I think 601 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: they're both just doing like what they want to do, 602 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: like their heart desires, you know what. They came into 603 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: this for um and you know, they didn't leave like engaged, 604 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: and so I think it's good that they're like dating 605 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: and like trying to navigate this as like a normal couple. Now. Yeah, 606 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: my biggest question for them, and I'm interviewing them like 607 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: about an hour, is Susie, how did you get from 608 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: being at that altar and saying you're not my person. 609 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't even love you enough to date you, or 610 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: I don't even like basically like I don't even like 611 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: you enough to date you. I know, I know we 612 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: skipped over that part a little bit happening last night 613 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: that I just know to where you are now to 614 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: d ming him right, like I really want to know, 615 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: like what happened in your head? And it wasn't just that, 616 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: it wasn't just like you know, I discovered you're not 617 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: my person. It's also the whole conversation that they had 618 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: last week where it's like I won't be able to 619 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: get over the hump of you saying like have you 620 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: sleeping with other people? And was saying I love you? 621 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: So it's like all these things, it's like, Susie, how 622 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: did you get over and just d m M yeah, 623 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: I think you like the timing of I think the 624 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: sleeping with other people and saying I love you too 625 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: multiple people. I think it was more timing thing of 626 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: like don't want to get engaged to you. Two days 627 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: after that happened, like, well do you think that that 628 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: was really an engagement thing? Like he did pull out 629 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: the ring, which was kind of he but he probably 630 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: shook the core I did. He pulled out that ring. 631 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: I was like, God, I hope there's not a camera 632 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: on my face right now because I'm shocked. Um, the 633 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: whole scene was awkward. Okay. When they were like going 634 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: to meet up to like have this final conversation, I 635 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: thought it would be like on a bench in Iceland, 636 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, in like a cute cafe, and well, no, 637 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: it was a full blown Bachelor finale rose ceremony. It 638 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: was stunning in there. She whore the big gown, he 639 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: had the ring in his pocket, Like, I just was 640 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: not expecting this, And I wonder if Susie was expecting that, 641 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: because that would have thrown me off and made me 642 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: so much more nervous. I mean, she had to have 643 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: expected it. Did you see what she looked like? But 644 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: he looked like she was ready to get married right there, 645 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: like Donny, like she had to, like she had to know, 646 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: you're right. The dress, It's like, I don't know like that. 647 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: I was literally thinking about that too, Like she got ready, 648 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: like looks gorgeous, like dressed to the nines, Like what 649 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: was she thinking was going to happen? I can't wait 650 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: to listen to what to y'all's conversation. Thank you for 651 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: adding that question now to my list. I didn't even 652 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: think like she had to put that gown on, so 653 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: she definitely expected to look like a final rose ceremony, 654 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: which just adds the pressure to the conversation. It's like 655 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: at an altar, I'm going to tell this man no, 656 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, there could have been a chance 657 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: that she thought like, Okay, he's just gonna like offer 658 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: me the rose, like, but he had a ring in 659 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: his pocket, Like I had no clue. I think that 660 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 1: was really just to get the Neil Lane name in there. Yeah, 661 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: shout out to Lane though we love him, he's so great. Yeah. Literally, 662 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: Jesse was like, clear is about to pull the biggest 663 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: hail Mary, And I was like boom ring, And I 664 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's not what I thought was gonna happen. 665 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: You know what question I've got to ask them, Um, 666 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: why did she say on the live show I would 667 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: have to be the one proposing. I don't know. I 668 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: think she was. That's just six Susie. She's just like 669 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: it just sounds just like blurted something and it honestly, 670 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: like the biggest personality biggest goofball wild person like, so 671 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: I think she's like, oh, this is madman, Like I 672 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: might be the one to propose, Like I don't know, Okay, alright, 673 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: that's cute. I feel I felt like that maybe didn't 674 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,959 Speaker 1: carry as much weight as some people were thinking before. 675 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: I don't think. Okay, okay, so it won't be seeing 676 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: Susie be like being a modern woman, and we might 677 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: former Miss Virginia proposes to Clayton Eckert. All right, so 678 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: let's just talk briefly about something that I that we 679 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: kind of skipped over, and that was Rachel and Clayton's 680 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: sit down on the stage. My biggest takeaway from that 681 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: moment is just like how she's just like you never 682 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: loved us, Like, you know, I just don't believe I 683 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: don't believe you. That was the big line. I don't 684 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: believe you. And then we see her dad sitting there 685 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: like you know, Tony soprano. He I mean, come on, dude, 686 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: He's like, there's no way that he's not forcing himself 687 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: to have that much of a straight face. I think 688 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: it's natural, you really, It's like, oh, I don't think 689 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: she's worried about the cameras looking at him or or America. 690 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: But it's such a straight face. It almost looks like acting. 691 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: He's like the security guard in the front row of 692 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: a concert contest. Yeah, so funny. Anything. Do you do 693 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: you feel like that stood out to you other than 694 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: that moment or she said like you never loved us? Yeah, 695 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think I'm really proud of Rachel 696 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: for like standing up for herself. And that was something 697 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: I kind of saw coming because you know, with one person, 698 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: they were a little more angry up front, and then 699 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: they had you know, Gabby had a conversation with him 700 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: and has had a lot more time to like think about, 701 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, what she wanted to say and stuff like that, 702 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: because she said so much of it in the moment um. 703 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: And then with Rachel, like I've definitely been Rachel in 704 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: a situation before where you're so emotional at first and 705 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: then you're like angry later you actually like, you know, 706 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: your your vision is like foggy, you know, with all 707 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: of this emotion, and then like like what was that? 708 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think you try to put yourself 709 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: in those shoes, and I think that's what Rachel did. 710 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: She loved him so much that she couldn't imagine doing 711 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: the things that he did. And so to her, the 712 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: answer is, you weren't in love with us, um, But 713 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: I think like love looks different to everyone. And that's 714 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: also something she said, is she's like, I don't even 715 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: know what like your definition of love is after this, Yeah, 716 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: and he continues to stand by, you know, the stand 717 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: by the fact that he he did love them. He 718 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: says that she was the first person he said I 719 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: love you too in six years And she says, was 720 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: it to sleep with me? With me open element? Odd? Yeah, yeah, 721 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: it does not expect that one from her. But I 722 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: think he was just living in the moment and he 723 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: wasn't thinking like, he wasn't thinking things through. I think 724 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: he just he took experience all of this very literally 725 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: and experience stall of it. Yeah. Yeah, could you imagine 726 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: being her dad and there's just like all this sex talk. No, no, 727 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: I was like across from him and like pet him. 728 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: He was like looking at the floor a lot of 729 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: the time, like he didn't like you can tell him 730 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: he didn't want to watch some of it. Every time 731 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: his baby girl was on the screen though, every time 732 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: she was on the screen, his eyes were so well. 733 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: I think we all hope to see more of him 734 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,959 Speaker 1: and Gabby's grandfather as part of the season. We don't 735 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: want to just see them at hometowns. We want to 736 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: see them throughout. It's Tony and Grandpa totally. Is his 737 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: name really Tony? I think so. I think it is, Yeah, 738 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: Tony Tony. Yes, that's awesome, Serene. Before I let you go, 739 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: let's talk about Jesse Palmer coming back as host for 740 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: the next season. How did you like him as host 741 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: and how was he in her life? Jesse is so kind, 742 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: he's so incredible, like so comforting. I remember being sent 743 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: home and he did that thing, he put his hands 744 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 1: together and he's like, Serene, it's time to see. There 745 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: could not have been a more comforting person to say 746 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: those words. I just remember kind of thinking like can 747 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: I hug you? He is so sweet, But there's something 748 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: so you're right comforting about him, Like I can't put 749 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: it up. He's just really easy to talk to you. 750 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: He's really comfortable to be around. Yeah. No, he's incredible. 751 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: He's so nice and he's definitely um very hands on, 752 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: like he actually talked to us. He wasn't just like 753 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: a host I mean I don't know like how the 754 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: other hosts were, but like, uh, he wasn't just a 755 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 1: host that showed up when it was time to show up. 756 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: Like I would see him around the hotel and he'd 757 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: be like, hey, he's done, what's up? Like, but you've 758 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: been up to Like he's just a very nice guy 759 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: like through um, so love that for him. I think 760 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: he'll do great. I also think, you know, with what 761 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: Rachel and Gabby went through, like he was there for that, 762 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 1: you know, so they're comfortable with him and that is 763 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: every Yes, yes, that's a good, good point. Alright, Sriene, 764 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: you have been a fantastic guest, a fantastic Bachelor contestant, 765 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: and we really hope to see you getting with one 766 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: of those cuties in Paradise. Clayton is rooting for you 767 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: to do you do here last week that he said 768 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: you're like the one person that he just is really 769 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: looking forward to finding love in Paradise, you know, if 770 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: you so choose to, that's so nice. And you know 771 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: he knows some of them, so I'm like, do you 772 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: know something I don't like? Spill the beans, Clayton, okid, 773 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure, you'll get word from Susie soon enough. 774 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks so much for being here. By. 775 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 1: Oh wait, this is how we have to sign off. 776 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: Ben would be so disappointed if I decided to just 777 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: say bye, okay, this is how we do it. I've 778 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: been Ashley, oh and I've been set yeay, awesome. We're 779 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: so proud of people when they get the hang of it. 780 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why too long. No, it didn't. It's 781 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. It's just something that's stuck. By followed 782 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 1: the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I 783 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.