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Speaker 2: My adopted parents hid heirlooms from my biological family. They

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Speaker 1: That's like, I hope it should be criminal to withhold this.

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Speaker 2: See how they like it. Ye, folks, that's the end

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Speaker 1: Indeed, my cousin stole expensive toys from me, so I

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Speaker 1: This entire thing is so infuriating and ridiculous, and five

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have a real informed tape. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: Stole your Littlest Pet Shop. I understand that this was

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Speaker 2: But this is ridiculous. She tricked you into having her over,

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Speaker 1: already gone, when in reality, it's just hidden somewhere away

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00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: from me until she makes the sale. Remember when I

438
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: said my cousin is a nurse, Well, she's a night

439
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 1: shift nurse and she works every weeknight. I know this

440
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: is her schedule because she told me as much when

441
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: she came to visit. So I decided to just wait,

442
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: wait until I knew for certain she was at work,

443
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 1: which was last night. I went to her parents' house.

444
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: She lives with them, and I told them honestly that

445
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: Victoria had something of mine and I needed to grab

446
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,959
Speaker 1: it real quick. My aunt and uncle had no problem

447
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 1: letting me go to Victoria's room, which told me they

448
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 1: didn't know about the situation with the toy. I go

449
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 1: to her room and sitting in a pile on her desk,

450
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: beside shipping packages are several LPs toys she had taken

451
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: from my home. Ah.

452
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna be like, oh, she's she's

453
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: got a whole business.

454
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: She was like, well, if I take one, I gotta

455
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: take you more.

456
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 2: They're gonna be lonely.

457
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: I gotta make it worth though, Oh my god, not

458
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 1: just the one cat. She took six of them. These

459
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: specific toys may have initially belonged to her, but they

460
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: were mine now. She had given them to me, and

461
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 1: I was the one who decided not to trash them

462
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: over the years. I grabbed every single one of them

463
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: and stuck them in my purse, hugged my aunt and

464
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: uncle goodbye, then went to the car. I took a

465
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: picture with them in my hand, sent it to her.

466
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: Then added, you're not my family if you think stealing

467
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: from me is okay, you're not welcome at my house again.

468
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty great mic drop mode.

469
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you had broken into the thousand for

470
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: a second. You didn't. You're on an uncle let you in? Yes,

471
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: and then she took back what she stole from you. Okay.

472
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: Storytime categorically does not endris be and ease. No, we

473
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: do endorris be and bees, though, yes, get you some,

474
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 1: get you some grub at a nice cour and we

475
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: also d and d, which we should do on this show.

476
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 2: We should should.

477
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: I cried for a minute, then collected myself before driving home.

478
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: I called my fiance on the way, and he told

479
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,719
Speaker 1: me he was so proud of me for standing up

480
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: for myself. I didn't hear from Victoria the entire night,

481
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: and the anticipation made me such an anxious mess that

482
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't even sleep. Really, I knew Victoria was going

483
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: to be off the clock at five am, and only

484
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: then would she see my text. The phone buzzing is

485
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: what woke our whole family this morning. The buzzing wouldn't stop,

486
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: so I turned my phone off and everyone went back

487
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: to sleep. I honestly wish I had gotten up this

488
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: morning to address things, because now her brothers and parents

489
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: are texting me. They're calling me a thief and saying,

490
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: how could you manipulate us like that yesterday?

491
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: That's so funny, that's so funny. Wow, maybe you should

492
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: ask your daughter that.

493
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting manipulated by your own daughter right now,

494
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: because she's making it sound like she didn't steal those

495
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: from op. Yeah.

496
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: I think that you need to, like post all of

497
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: the messages that you got from your cousin, like the

498
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: ones where she saw your post, like the posts that

499
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: you guys that you share. Her message is about wanting

500
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: to meet up her, then taking your stuff, then posting

501
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: them on.

502
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: eBay, and again emphasizing that if she just would have

503
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: asked me, I would have given them to her immediately,

504
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: but she stole them from me.

505
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, from your child.

506
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: I didn't manipulate anyone. I told them she had something

507
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: of mine, because she did. She's telling me she's taking

508
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: me to small claims court over this because apparently someone

509
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: already bought it and now she has to refund them.

510
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: Y'all advice, please, I don't have any more energy to

511
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: deal with this today. I just want to shut down mentally.

512
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: Does she have an actual case against me in small

513
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: claims if there are pictures of her as a kid

514
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: playing with these update This crap is bonanosas, let's get

515
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: into it. It took me a while to come back

516
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: and write this because it took me a while to

517
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: respond to my family member's bombardment. I don't like confrontation,

518
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: but the mama bear in me overrides that, and as

519
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: many of you in the comments pointed out, just steal

520
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: from me. She stole from my baby. You're a baby thief.

521
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: Baby thief.

522
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: A well, that sounds like you stole the baby, baby thief.

523
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: And, like many of you.

524
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: Also commented and suggested, I sent a link for the

525
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: original thread to my aunt and uncle and their sons

526
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: and simply told them she was manipulating all of them

527
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: and it was their choice whether or not to believe me,

528
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: and my cousins knowing their sister, jumped to my side

529
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: without hesitation. Nice, nice noise. Put it all in that

530
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: nice because that's noise noice. My aunt's texts after reading

531
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: the post, whereas follows Katie, I'm horrified and sick beyond

532
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: belief over this I'm so sorry. Believe me, she's going

533
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: to be sorry too.

534
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

535
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: Another one. I should check to see if a degree

536
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: is even real. No level is too low. Apparently when

537
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: it comes to lying to family.

538
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: A Wow, she really switched up.

539
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: Oh she neither was the proof.

540
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like, I'm so sorry, Katie. My daughter is Liah.

541
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: Well, so'll be sorry. Did she not remember sending you

542
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: all of those things?

543
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: Did she not think?

544
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: Did anything come to light? No? I effing loved my

545
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: aunt and had a feeling she'd listen. Honestly, the rift

546
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: between my aunt and Victoria began when I started telling

547
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 1: said aunt everything Victoria was lying about while we were

548
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: still kids. It made her parents crack down, and looking

549
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: at it now, it's why she resents me and never

550
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: cared to fix things. She never considered growing or getting

551
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: better as a human being. She just became a better liar.

552
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: And it's gross. Victoria.

553
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: You're gross. You're gross, Victoria.

554
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: You you Her first text to me after seeing my

555
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: photo was as fellows, I already sold it, and you

556
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: know I've been struggling financially. Like I literally sat there

557
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: and told you how hard my life has been. All

558
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: night and you could have offered to give them back

559
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: to me. I sat there hoping you would. But you'll

560
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: be effing stingy and keep a million of these little

561
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: things that your daughter is just gonna lose. Like, be

562
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: so real right now, you're going to make a case

563
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: out of six when you have like fifty.

564
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: So like.

565
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: Just like brain dead, she's almost there is the thing

566
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: that's getting me. Yeah, she's like I wanted them and

567
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: I sat there just hoping that you would give them

568
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: to me. Hey, you know what's better than just sitting

569
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: there just hoping ask? Yeah, you have to use your

570
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: mouth and ask.

571
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: Excuse your big girl words? Yeah, how is O B

572
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: supposed to know that they were worth money?

573
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: Her second text was as follows, you know their mine

574
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: and you're being a bee?

575
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

576
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: Her third text, you never offered to give them back

577
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: over the years, and I thought maybe you had finally

578
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: effing matured after all this time. Having a kid Now

579
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: didn't change anything.

580
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: Did it?

581
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Her fourth text, you would have said no if I'd

582
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: asked too, because that's just the kind of person you are.

583
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: That was just so unnecessarily hateful and untrue and stung

584
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: probably the most of all of her texts. The final

585
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: text was court can settle this if you really want

586
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: to say, we aren't family anymore. I understand that she's

587
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: embarrassed that she's been caught, and that's why she's hostile.

588
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: Maybe a small part is her devastation about the ruined relationship,

589
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: but who knows. My aunt texted this morning and invited

590
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: me and my daughter over for Monday afternoon and promised

591
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: Victoria won't be there. She wants to discuss all of

592
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: this in person. I don't know what's gonna happen to Victoria,

593
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: but I should know by then. Would you guys like

594
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: a final update on this?

595
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: Yes? Hello?

596
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes please, yes, yes yes, And there is an edit.

597
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: I forgot to add her last text after her family

598
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: flipped on her, she sent only one. All you've ever

599
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: done is ruined my life. She's so dramatic. I will

600
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: respond to her eventually. I'll include it if you guys

601
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: actually want an update, and there's a second one.

602
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: They literally do. I want it more than anything. I

603
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: want it.

604
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: I want it more than the two hundred and fifty

605
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: dollars Littlest Pet Shop cat that sticks its tongue out.

606
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: I literally know exactly what cat she's talking about too.

607
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: I think that was the thing.

608
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: I think that was the one I found on eBay.

609
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have seen I've played with that cat. I

610
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: don't think I had it myself, but my friend had it.

611
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: She had like a toll of little pus shops.

612
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: Shout out to all the LPs super fans out there.

613
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: Update number two.

614
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: The LPs two okay, storytime pipeline needs to be studied.

615
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

616
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: This final update is being shared with my uncle's blessing

617
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: because a lot of wild details have been revealed to

618
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: me about Kleptoria, and now I'm even more furious on

619
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: my aunt and uncle's behalf. Oh no, she's been a thief.

620
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: She's been a faith for a long time.

621
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: That's so funny. I was like Kleptoria, and it was

622
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: like Cleptoria.

623
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a new D and D character, Captia, Kleptoria,

624
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: don't steal from the bar maidens.

625
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: Drop it. I can't help it, can help it.

626
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm Kleptoria. We know my daughter and I followed up

627
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: with my aunt like she requested and went to their house.

628
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: My family is toy knit. This wasn't unusual for them

629
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: to ask me over like some of you were worrying

630
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: about in the comments. I visit extended family a lot.

631
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: My uncle hugged my daughter and me when we arrived

632
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: and told us we were always welcome over and he

633
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: was sorry. They have grandkids from their eldest son, so

634
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: my daughter was able to play with toys and watch

635
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Bluie over there while we talked. First, we discussed the

636
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: lies she initially told them all. Her claim was I

637
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: had stolen these toys behind her back when we were kids,

638
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: and I had denied it for years, only for her

639
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: to see them again. With the rest of my other

640
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: toys and the photos I shared on Facebook. She told

641
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: them I refused to return the toys and it was

642
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: her right to take back stolen property. My uncle then

643
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: said that statement was pretty ironic, considering how pissed she

644
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: is that I've reclaimed my stolen property. I asked them

645
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: how they knew I was the one being honest, and

646
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: they told me when she was confronted about the Reddit post,

647
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: she went ballistic. Victoria is notorious for becoming hostile when

648
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: she's caught being dishonest, and they said her reaction was

649
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: all the proof they needed. Dude, imagine being read like

650
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: a book.

651
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: They like, Ah, you know Kleptoria. She always gets mad. Yeah,

652
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: been cut.

653
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh we're on chapter one. You got caught stealing again?

654
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: A book five of Kleptoria. The tales of the Chronicles

655
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: of Kleptoria always start the same way. She got caught again. Uh.

656
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: I asked how Victoria was doing. Both of them hesitated

657
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: at that, like they were deciding who was going to

658
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: tell the story. My aunt ended up leaving the room

659
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: and went to make food. He told me she was

660
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: getting removed from the home, but it wasn't because of this.

661
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: This was just the final straw for them, and they

662
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: were letting the rest of the family know what kind

663
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: of faif she really was. It turned out Victoria stole

664
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: a few thousand from my aunt and uncle first in

665
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: her final years at college. As my uncle explained it,

666
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Victoria wanted people to think she was from a rich

667
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: family that could afford her tuition as well as vacation

668
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: over the summer, which at that point she had one

669
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: year left. I remember the photos on Facebook from this trip.

670
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: She went with three girls that I don't even think

671
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: talk to her anymore, and her ex boyfriend. A lot

672
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: of money that was meant for college books, boarding, food,

673
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: et cetera. Was being spent on this boy and other

674
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: ridiculousness so she could continued this rich person lie. And

675
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: she was going to keep this lie to herself if

676
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: they hadn't begun asking questions about the discrepancies. They told

677
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: her she could live with them to save her money

678
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: so that she could pay them back faster. They made

679
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: it clear they were going to hold her to it.

680
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: They weren't going to let her party like she was

681
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: a free woman until she paid them back, and if

682
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: she wanted to fix the relationship.

683
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: Between them, this was her only option.

684
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: She stole from me because she was trying to get

685
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: back to the party lifestyle faster.

686
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: So she's not even in need.

687
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: She's just like in debt for stealing from stealing from

688
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: her parents. So now she's like, I'll pay that debt

689
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: by stealing from my cousin. It's like when you get

690
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: a loan and then you get another loan to pay off.

691
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: The first loan. Bad idea.

692
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: You get the third loan, pay off all three loans

693
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: with the fourth. You keep doing that and you get

694
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: that fifth loan and now you've swimming in it. My

695
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: aunt came back into the room and asked, she hasn't

696
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: texted you, has she? You have every right to press

697
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: charges against her for this. I told her, if she

698
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: had half a brain, she would stop digging herself deeper

699
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and to leave you alone. Honestly, that made me cry again.

700
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I told them I was sorry about all the stress

701
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: and that I haven't been sleeping well all week because

702
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: of this, and that I never meant for them to

703
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: get dragged into it or for it to turn into

704
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: something like this.

705
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: It was a therapeutic visit and I'm glad we cleared

706
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: the air.

707
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: But hearing that she's being, you know, removed from the house,

708
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: does it make me feel good after all of this.

709
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: I just hope she can finally learn and grow after

710
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: all of it. A life full of burnt Bridges sounds

711
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: pretty lonely to me. Thank you so much everyone for

712
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: taking time out of all of your lives for me

713
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: on here. I'm just a frazzled stay at home mom

714
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: that loves the legend of Zelda. My life is never

715
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: this interesting. Don't steal from your don't steal from your friends,

716
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: don't steal from your family.

717
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: I don't steal folks from the people in your life.

718
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: Edits, there's some new information. I had no desire to

719
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: press charges and potentially get her fired. I just wanted

720
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: this situation to go away. But a lot of people

721
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: pointed out that she could be stealing from patience. How

722
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: because she's a night nurse.

723
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: But how like, oh like, there's stuff by.

724
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: The sleepy sleepy babies. I asked her brothers to look

725
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: through the selling groups on Facebook she had joined since

726
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm now blocked, and they found a watch and a

727
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: necklace she sold that both very likely did not belong

728
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: to her, but there's no definitive evidence. The last thing

729
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: I need is vengeful Victoria with nothing left to lose,

730
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: coming through my back door to fight me, because I

731
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: could see her doing that, especially if she's unemployed. She's

732
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: gonna have all that time on her hands. Yeah, this

733
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: is causing me excessive anxiety, but I don't want her

734
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: praying on hospital patients.

735
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: I'll make a report with police this afternoon, and that is.

736
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: The end of that story.

737
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: Dang man, Oh my, your cousin's Gray. Gray.

738
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think you're You're definitely in the

739
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: right to do that, because to be amage of people

740
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: in the most vulnerable states.

741
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely like she has a responsibility as a nurse, as

742
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: a healthcare professional, and she is absolutely violating that trust.

743
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: If she's willing to steal from her family, she's willing

744
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: to steal from anybody. True, and guess what, you go

745
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: to jail for being a thief.

746
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: Sam.

747
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Here, we're gonna get back to the stories, but here's

748
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: three of it's bad from our sponsors.

749
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 2: I found a hidden folder on my girlfriend's hard drive

750
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: full of her stepsister.

751
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm hacking the stepsister mainframe.

752
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: Been with my girlfriend for eighteen months now. It's been

753
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: really smooth sailing so far. We have similar hobbies but

754
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: different enough jobs that I always love coming over slash

755
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: me going to hers and talking about our days. I

756
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: could honestly sit and listen to this girl for hours.

757
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: She's incredibly funny, insanely smart, so gorgeous, and I'm constantly

758
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: gobsmacked that she wants to be with me. That's why

759
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: this this is so hard. It's come out of left

760
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: field and I have no idea what to do. By

761
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: the way this comes from, please help me, and if

762
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: you want to spit your own stories, go to the

763
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: r slash Okay, storytime separate it, so we don't live

764
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: together right now, but we are only about fifteen minutes apart,

765
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: and the majority of our nights we are with each other.

766
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 2: The other night, girlfriend left her hard drive at mine.

767
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: She keeps lots of TV shows movies on it, and

768
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: she brought it over to watch something with me. She

769
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: obviously forgot in the morning when she left. I had

770
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: a day free and wanted to watch something. She's really

771
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: into sci fi stuff and has tried to get me

772
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: to watch some shows, but it just isn't my thing.

773
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: But I thought i'd surprise her and try to get

774
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: into one of her favorites so we could watch it together.

775
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: I was looking at a bunch of shows Firefly, Doctor Who,

776
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: Star Trek, etcetera. To try to find one that looked manageable.

777
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: I didn't want to commit to something with a million

778
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: seasons like Doctor Who apparently has. I decided on Firefly

779
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: for those who don't know, it's just a season long.

780
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: But in all the video files there was a folder

781
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: that was one just titled ugh, which obviously is such

782
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: a weird folder name, I assume, and it was corner

783
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: or something. But when I went into it, there were

784
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: just masses and masses of photos, videos, screenshots of texts

785
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: from my girlfriend's stepsister. What the F I honestly thought

786
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: I was dreaming going through all this junk. I have

787
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: no idea what's going on. It looks so dodgy right

788
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: that she has obviously hidden this folder and moved all

789
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: of the photos of stepsister into here instead of on

790
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: iPhoto or something. At first, I had such dread, like

791
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: she must be cheating on me with her stepsister, Like

792
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: we're living in some effing porner. What's your first thought, buddy,

793
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: that was your first thought? How much corner you watching it?

794
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: But speaks more to you. But the photos are all

795
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: pretty innocent from what I've seen, just day to day stuff.

796
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: There's some weirder ones, like photos of stepsister napping on

797
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: the couch or swimming in the pool, sunbathing, like they

798
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 2: make me think she didn't know they were being taken.

799
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: But at the same time, she's taken similar photos of

800
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: me and our friends but shown them to me slash

801
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: them later, just messing around on her phone. And there's

802
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: photos of the sister just around the house and her

803
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: undies and a T shirt. Again, if I saw that

804
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: on my girlfriend's phone. I wouldn't pay much attention, but

805
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: now I don't know. Is that a weird photo to

806
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: have of a sibling. Those techs aren't sexy or anything.

807
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: Mostly they're from stepsister saying stuff like I don't know

808
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: what I do without you. No one makes me laugh

809
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: like this. This girl at work makes me think of you.

810
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: I already love her, et cetera. Like if I saw

811
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: them on my girlfriend's phone in the convo, I wouldn't

812
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: think anything of it. It's the fact that she screenshot

813
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: of them and save them to this weird folder that

814
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: freaks me out. The backstory is my girlfriend and her stepsister.

815
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: I've been living together since my girlfriend was like nine

816
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: or ten and the sister was thirteen or fourteen. I

817
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: know my girlfriend worships her sister, and look, it's for

818
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: a good reason. The sister is super charming, beautiful, and

819
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: really successful in her field of work. She is for

820
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: sure the whole package, and I definitely get a bit

821
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: giggly when she's around. She's just that sort of girl.

822
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: I never thought my girlfriend's feelings for her went any

823
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: further than being platonic until now. Though I don't think

824
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: they're having an affair. The sister is engaged and really

825
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: in love with a guy she has said she identifies

826
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: as straight. My girlfriend has always been pretty judgmental and

827
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: negative of the future brother in law, but I chalked

828
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: that up to just being protective. Now I don't know

829
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: is she jealous?

830
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: What do I do?

831
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: I have no idea how to bring this out with

832
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: my girlfriend again. I feel like the only evidence I

833
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: have that something shifty is going on is that she

834
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: took the time to move every photo and video regarding

835
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: the sister into a folder that has clearly been hidden.

836
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: There is nothing in the folder that is weird apart

837
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: from the sheer amount of stuff in there. It's over

838
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: seven thousand files. Girlfriend is not a photographer, aside from

839
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: the casual social media stuff. I'm sorry, this is all

840
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: over the place. I need smelp. Please tell me what

841
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: your take is. Thanks, And there is an update.

842
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: This guy is this guy saying that these are obviously

843
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: hidden just because they're on a hard drive. Hard drive, Yeah,

844
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: in a folder, saying I'm I found immediately that was

845
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: not hidden.

846
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: Like unless he well, okay, two scenarios here. One he's

847
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: saying it's obviously hidden because it was on a hard

848
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: drive with all of her other movies or two. He

849
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: spent time searching through things, which is kind of weird

850
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 2: on his end that he was like digging through files. Yeah,

851
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude. You asked like, what do you want?

852
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: What should I do?

853
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: It's like do nothing, Like you've now come across some

854
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: weird piece of information that it's like something could be strange,

855
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: maybe between her and her stepsister. If you bring anything up,

856
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: you look like an absolute free and so I don't know.

857
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: I think maybe just like observe closely.

858
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, a few people hit me up for an update.

859
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: From all the comments, I got the sense that I

860
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: was hugely overreacting. Yes, good, I'm glad you got that.

861
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: I'm an anxious person who can jump to the worst

862
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: case scenario a lot of the times. It's something I'm

863
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: really trying to work on because I don't like that

864
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: side of myself. That's really why I came here to

865
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: get another opinion before talking to my girlfriend, and you

866
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: all slapped some sense into me. So thank you for that.

867
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: So my girlfriend came over that night and I decided

868
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: to follow people's advice and just talk to her about it.

869
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: Honestly and be completely upfront. I said, I wanted to

870
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: surprised you by getting into Firefly, so I went onto

871
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: your hard drive to get it and read it. My

872
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: heart just broke. She was excited and wanted to put

873
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: it right on so we could watch it together. I

874
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: knew then that what I thought had happened didn't. She

875
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: obviously didn't make the connection with the folder being hidden

876
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: in her Firefly folders and was just mean to watch

877
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: the show with me. That little reaction just made me

878
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: feel so relieved. It's hard to explain, but I knew

879
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: then that there was no way she was hiding this

880
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: big secret, and she obviously didn't have any shame or

881
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: embarrassment around the hidden folder because she didn't even remember

882
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: that the folder was in there. So I just said

883
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: that I had accidentally found the folder of her stepsister, Lizzie,

884
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: the one called Uugh. I asked why she had made it.

885
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: Her face just fell and she was quiet for a bit,

886
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: and then she told me the whole story. So I

887
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: had noticed my girlfriend had been quiet and a bit

888
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: sad recently, but she's been working a lot, and I

889
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: just assumed she was super tired, But no like a

890
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: few of you guests. She had a big fight with Lizzie.

891
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, a high school friend, Gina of

892
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: my girlfriend, got in contact with her on Facebook. Gina

893
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: is fairly religious and goes to church a lot. Gina

894
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: said she didn't want to make waves in my girlfriend's family,

895
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: but wanted to let her know the guy Lizzie is marrying,

896
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: John is well known in the Christian community in our

897
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: area for being involved in those Attracted the Same genders

898
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: conversion workshops and seminars. Gina wanted to make sure my

899
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: girlfriend was okay and seemed to think maybe she had

900
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: accepted John's work out of some internalized homeow negativity. My

901
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: girlfriend and I did not know that John did stuff

902
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: like that. I only knew that he was a therapist

903
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: and that he went to church, and my girlfriend said

904
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: he had only ever been introduced like that to her.

905
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: She said she was pretty sure her parents didn't know either,

906
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: as they have always been loving and accepting of her

907
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: and would be outraged over John's line of work. She

908
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: was worried that John has been lying to Lizzie as well,

909
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 2: and contacted Lizzie to tell her what she had heard

910
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: from Gena obviously it didn't go well. Lizzie was very

911
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: defensive and basically just kept telling my girlfriend that John's

912
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: beliefs were his beliefs and Lizzie had no right to

913
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: make any assumptions over it. It was clear Lizzie knew

914
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: what John was doing and was completely fine with it,

915
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: and was hiding it threw a mission from her family.

916
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: My girlfriend cried and cried through telling me this. As

917
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: I said in my last post, Lizzie was such a

918
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: hero to my girlfriend and she loves her so much,

919
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: so this acceptance is such a betrayal. I think that's

920
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: why she didn't tell me when it first happened and

921
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: when she hid those files. She just didn't want to

922
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: have to deal with it, because Lizzie hurt her so

923
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: much by not caring what John does for therapy, these

924
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: workshops focus on telling queer kids and adults of how

925
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: wrong and perverted they are and basically force them back

926
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 2: into the closet. They focus on scaring parents into cutting

927
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: support off from their queer children and use all these horrible,

928
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: horrible tactics to basically force these people to hide their identities.

929
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: So she said she just couldn't stand having all those

930
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: reminders of Lizzie scattered throughout her computer, so she ended

931
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: up just putting them all into one folder and hiding it.

932
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: I guess uugh means ugh, I don't want to deal

933
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: with this right now. We're sort of at a loss

934
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: of what to do now. I'm obviously just trying to

935
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: give my girlfriend as much support as I can, because

936
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: everything is her decision now. Lizzie doesn't seem willing to

937
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: see that what her fiance has dedicated his life to

938
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: is so painful for her sister. My girlfriend doesn't know

939
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: whether to tell her parents. On one hand, it's going

940
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: to be horrible, painful, awkward as balls to have family

941
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: dinner with his future brother in law who thinks that

942
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: her and me are defective, and my girlfriend is pretty

943
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: sure both her parents, including her stepdad, would do what

944
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: they can to protect her from John. On the other hand,

945
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: she loves Lizzie so much and doesn't want to force

946
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: her away from her family. It's not Lizzie's profession, and

947
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: John has never been out right nasty to my girlfriend.

948
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: It's still in motion, but I want to let you

949
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: guys know what happens since my last post. I'm obviously

950
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: relieved my girlfriend doesn't have feelings for Lizzie, but this

951
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: is still heartbreaking in a different way. It's horrible to

952
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: see my girlfriend so upset, and I'm just trying to

953
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: give her as much love and care as humanly possible.

954
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: I'm excited for tonight because I borrowed a projector from

955
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: my friend and I'm going to set it up so

956
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: we can watch Firefly on the wall of my living room. Yay,

957
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: that's the positive. I'm going to make us a big

958
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: blanket for it and order pizza so we can snuggle

959
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: and watch TV all night. Thank you all again. It

960
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: means the world old to me that you all took

961
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: time out of your lives to offer advice to me

962
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 2: and edit. Thank you everyone for such an outpouring of support.

963
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: My girlfriend and I had a big talk last night

964
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: and she's going to tell her parents. It's likely they

965
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: will find out at some point anyway, and it isn't

966
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: fair that my girlfriend should feel uncomfortable with her own family.

967
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: And to the people who are saying that John must

968
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: be queer, please think about what you're saying and how

969
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: offensive it is. Yes, there have been instances were intensely

970
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: closet officery. People are hiding same sex attraction, but they

971
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: are in the minority. If I came to you saying

972
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: my girlfriend was black and her sister was marrying a

973
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: plan member, no one would be saying, oh, he just

974
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: wants to be black. Some people are just table. That

975
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: was my example. I really want to say. Yeah.

976
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, if someone was yes that contact God,

977
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: would you then tell your family that your husband's in

978
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: the clan?

979
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, you would probably avoid that guy in the

980
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: first place. Yep, yep, yp yep. Hey y'all, it's John

981
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: Ogi host here.

982
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to the stories, but here's a

983
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: quick three minute break from as for more sponsors. I

984
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: refuse to adopt my daughter half sister because I just can't.

985
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: She's just not cool enough. Doesn't even like the color purple.

986
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: My husband and I adopted my daughter, Sofia live female,

987
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: three years ago. What Sophia is biologically my half sister.

988
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: My father and his wife passed away very suddenly, leaving

989
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: behind Sophia and his wife's other daughter, Hannah, aged nine.

990
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: By the way, this comes from user ear Clear thirty

991
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: seven twenty three, and if you want to submit your

992
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: own stories, go to the r slash Okay Storytime stub

993
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: bred It. Hannah is currently in the care system. She

994
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: lives in a group home that is equipped for her knees.

995
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Try to get the girls together every couple of weeks

996
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: for supervised visits. Sofia has always been aware that she

997
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: has adopted, which normally happened with their maternal grandmother, who

998
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll call Laurie. Laurie has been combative with us since

999
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: we met her because she thought it was wrong for

1000
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: us not to adopt Hannah as well as Sofia, even

1001
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: though she is well aware of why it wasn't the

1002
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: right choice for our family. All this to say, when

1003
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I say I think I know where Hannah has been

1004
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: getting certain ideas, I am pretty certain. Hannah has always

1005
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: made little comments about living with us. One day, she

1006
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: used to say one day when Sophia lived together, or

1007
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: a reference the girls sharing a room, or talk about

1008
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: pets she wants when she can move home. You've always

1009
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: tried to play this off so as not to upset her,

1010
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: and I really figured she would grow out of it.

1011
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Her social workers said she definitely would grow out of it,

1012
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: but it never happened. Nowadays, she makes comments about being

1013
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: good so she can come with us, and makes an

1014
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: over the top effort show off her achievements when where

1015
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: they're on visit. She even started being disparaging about anything

1016
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: Sophia does and constantly one ups her. It's really sad

1017
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: to see and no one listens when I say that

1018
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: someone needs to stop feeding into all this.

1019
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: You're also leading in to you. You can be the

1020
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: change you want to see in the world.

1021
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: I know they all want her to behave, but Laurie

1022
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: is constantly validating her saying this stuff, and I hate it.

1023
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: The social worker just says it's good that Hannah's making

1024
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: strides with her behavior. This just seems cruel and manipulative,

1025
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: like they're letting this carrot dangle in front of this

1026
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: kid so that they can benefit without thinking what this

1027
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: will do to her. So a month ago we were

1028
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: out and Hannah once again said brought up that she

1029
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: wants a horse if she comes to live with us.

1030
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: Lorie smiled and said that would be really nice, but

1031
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: she'll have to be a good girl to get a horse,

1032
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: and I just looked at her, like what the f

1033
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: I told Hannah that she wouldn't be able to live

1034
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: with us because she was very loved at the home

1035
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: where she is and they take really good care of her,

1036
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: and that we couldn't do enough of a good job

1037
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: at that. Hannah didn't really seem to understand what I

1038
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: was saying, but she didn't hug us goodbye like normal

1039
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: when we dropped her back. When we picked her up

1040
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: the last two times to go out, she was really

1041
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: quiet and sullen and didn't want to do anything. She

1042
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't play or take part in anything we did, and

1043
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 1: according to Lorie, Hannah has been acting up at home

1044
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: and school as well. She's blaming me. I take the

1045
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: blame for this chain, I get it, but I still

1046
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: feel like ultimately someone needed to have that conversation with Hannah,

1047
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: because how long was she meant to believe she could

1048
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: earn being adopted and how bad was it going to

1049
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: be to come to the realization in however many years

1050
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: that everyone had lied to her. But I'm also worried

1051
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: that I've damaged things, because if Hannah stops wanting to

1052
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: see Sophia, I'll have ruined their relationship. And I'm not

1053
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: a trained profession I maybe didn't say it in the

1054
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: right way. Her social worker didn't think it was a problem,

1055
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: so maybe I should have left it. I feel crappy

1056
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: about it, even though I don't think I was wrong

1057
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: in intentions?

1058
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: Am I the A hole?

1059
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: Edit? Why didn't we adopt Hannah? Hannah has medical and

1060
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: psychological complexities as a result of her early life that

1061
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: are not insignificant. We are not equipped financially, materially, or

1062
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: emotionally to provide the care she needs and deserves. Why

1063
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: doesn't Laurie have custody of Hannah? Laurie has health issues

1064
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: and lives in a senior community. She cannot take care

1065
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: of Hannah full time. I am I the a whole?

1066
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: Has no consensus, but OPE is voted not the A whole.

1067
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: Relvin comments, Ohpi's clarifying her relationship with her father and

1068
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: his wife before their passings, and if Sophia understands she's

1069
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: adopted OPI says, Firstly, I never met Hannah's mother. My

1070
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: father was absent in my life for many years where

1071
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: they got together because he was a regular user and

1072
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: a bad person. I saw him very rarely, and even

1073
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: then it was mostly because he was begging me for something.

1074
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: He was not in my life.

1075
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: I only met Sophia after he passed away. Yes, Sophia

1076
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: knows she's adopted. She doesn't know that my dad was

1077
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: her dad, but she knows we are related, but not

1078
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: her biological parent. And yes, if Sophia wasn't my half sister,

1079
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have adopted her because we never planned to adopt.

1080
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: We planned to have a biological child, but Sofia came

1081
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: into our lives and the plan change. That's not a gotcha.

1082
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up my whole life planning to adopt.

1083
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: How would this situation have come about if she wasn't

1084
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: related to me. So we didn't choose not to adopt

1085
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Hannah because of some misplaced hatred for a woman we

1086
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: never met. We chose not to adopt her because we

1087
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: were not financially or emotionally equipped to give her the

1088
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: care she needs. And that goes for every other child

1089
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: on earth that we haven't adopted in life. It's your

1090
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: job to know what you can take on. Ope explains

1091
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: her conversations with the social worker about Sofia and Hannah

1092
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: having chances of being adopted together. Op said, the social

1093
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: worker told me repeatedly that they had almost no chance

1094
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: of being placed together. Sofia had a very good chance

1095
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: of adoption and Hannah didn't. They were going to place

1096
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: them separately after a period of time so that Sofia

1097
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: could get adopted. If it wasn't us, it was probably

1098
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: going to be someone else, someone else after a period

1099
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: of trauma for her. If they said they were definitely

1100
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: going to keep them together, maybe we'd have chosen differently.

1101
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: But I still think we give our daughter a great

1102
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: life and our good parents to her. We have her

1103
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: checking with a child psychologist, and we're doing our best.

1104
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: Where is Hannah's biological father? Why isn't he stepping up?

1105
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: Ope says, I don't know where her father is. I

1106
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: never met her mother or inquired about her biological father.

1107
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: OHP clarifies details on how Hannah was placed at the

1108
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: group home instead of a foster home. Op says, I

1109
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: didn't choose to send her to the care home. They

1110
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: have a shortage of appropriate foster homes for her, and

1111
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: that's where they placed her. I had no say in

1112
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: that or what level of support she had. Sure Sophia

1113
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: could have been living with Hannah, most likely in the

1114
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: same group home if as an adult she thinks that

1115
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: would have been better for her. I'll take the blame

1116
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: for that. I don't agree, but that will be up

1117
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: to her. Taking in Hannah is not an.

1118
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: Option for us.

1119
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: You don't have the resources materially or emotionally or within

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00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: our lifestyle to provide care for her. Taking on more

1121
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: than you can handle it does no good for anyone,

1122
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: least of all for our daughter, whose quality of life

1123
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: would take a Nosedie commenter says, honestly, just get a

1124
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: child psychologist for your daughter and work this out professionally. Clearly,

1125
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: the social worker and Laurie are more interested in being

1126
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: Hannah's behavior right, even with lies. Being told to be

1127
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: good to get a place in your home is so cruel.

1128
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: It also may not be good for Hannah to see

1129
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: her sister get the happily ever after that she won't get.

1130
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes we need to let kids act out so they

1131
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: can process their emotion I think you need to pull

1132
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: back and focus on your daughter and what's good for her,

1133
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: not the a hole op says. Sophia has regular check

1134
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: ins with the child psychologists. We're not doing them weekly

1135
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: anymore because that's not what she's advised. But if she

1136
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: spots any issues, we can definitely increase, and there's an

1137
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: update Hie. Not sure if anyone wanted this update, but

1138
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: I hate reading posts that don't have an update, so

1139
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm updating for anyone who might feel the same. First

1140
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: of all, thank you to everyone who gave helpful advice

1141
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: and who was genuine in their responses. After reading everything,

1142
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: I still think I was probably a little bit of

1143
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: an a hole to spring that comment on Hannah like that.

1144
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: My frustration got the better of me and I can't

1145
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: put the genie back in the bottle, but I'll always

1146
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: regret it. That being said, I still also think it's

1147
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: best that she knows. I spoke to the child psychologists

1148
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: that Sophia sees, and she said that there was no

1149
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: reason to cut contact between the girls and that it's

1150
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: all always recommended unless in cases of actual abuse. So

1151
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: we've continued to visit. However, as some people suggested, we've

1152
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: now stopped doing them with Lori or me involved. The

1153
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: girls now see each other at Hannah's group home and

1154
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: a care worker is able to supervise the visits. I'm

1155
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: not sure if in the long run this is how

1156
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: we will do things, because I'm not entirely comfortable with it.

1157
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: But I think it's better that the girls have as

1158
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: an independent a relationship as possible.

1159
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 2: Really unfortunate for Hannah to be in this place where

1160
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: your sibling has been adopted, but you are projected to

1161
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: kind of never be adopted because of her age and

1162
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: because of the extra care that she requires. But I

1163
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: think in any situation where adoption, foster care, like any

1164
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: sort of that stuff is involved, I think honesty with

1165
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: kids is like super important. Obviously you want to give

1166
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: that honesty in age appropriate way, But I think that

1167
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: lying to them or giving them false hope does not

1168
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: help at all.

1169
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you actually can't do this with twins,

1170
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: or maybe that's at birth. I don't know.

1171
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: It's hard.

1172
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: I feel like they're information we probably still don't have.

1173
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: Being a social worker has got to be so rough, dude.

1174
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: Imagine like you have to play by the playbook of lie.

1175
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: Do the worst, most painful lie to say to this

1176
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: child that thinks they're going to eventually get adopted from

1177
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: good behavior. That's insane. Yeah, just because you want them

1178
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: to behave a certain well no, I think it's the

1179
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: thought is like, well, eventually they'll just get over it

1180
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: and then well, nobody. We never even have to have

1181
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: that other shoe drop. Yes, she'll move on, but I

1182
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: think also her.

1183
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: Point is, oh, well, this kid will never have a

1184
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: tantrum if she thinks that, like it's like Santa, Like

1185
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: they're using you know, adoption like Santa.

1186
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: Well, let's finish this story. As for Lorie, we're cutting

1187
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: down on contact with her. I know she's Sofia's grandmother

1188
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: and I don't doubt that she loves her, but she

1189
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: hasn't been a constructive influence so far, especially when we

1190
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: told her about the visiting plan going forward, so we're

1191
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: keeping her at arm's length. They'll see Sophia if she wants,

1192
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: but at our convenience and with the understanding that she

1193
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: will be more respectful. I'm not sure what else to include,

1194
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: as it's not been a very explosive conclusion to the issue,

1195
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: but I think things have worked out for the best.

1196
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: Thank you again to everyone who provided feedback. We have

1197
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: some relevant comments. Number one seems like you found a

1198
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: good solution. You should, of course ask Sofia after the

1199
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: visit how it went and all that. Ohpi says she's

1200
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: been twice and she had a good time overall, There's

1201
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: a couple of things that she wasn't used to, but

1202
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: nothing that a kid wouldn't experience in kindergarten. It's just

1203
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: a different environment. We're going to keep checking in with her.

1204
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: Comment two says, does Sofia want to visit Hannah? Does

1205
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: she enjoy these visits? And does Hannah want Sophia to visit?

1206
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: OHP says, Sofia likes visiting Hannah. I wouldn't say it's

1207
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: something she talks or thinks about in between visits, but

1208
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: she knows it's part of her routine. She's happy to go.

1209
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: I guess it's like seeing a cousin. You don't necessarily

1210
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: miss them or beg to see them, but you have

1211
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: fun when you're together. Hannah seemed to be happy to

1212
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: see Sofia. From what I've observed, Hannah experiences certain delays.

1213
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: Does she and Sophia are not too far apart in

1214
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: interest or development? I know that may not always be

1215
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: the case as Hannah gets older and the age gap

1216
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: may become more pronounced, but for now it seems to work.

1217
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: The plan.

1218
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: If Hannah gets older and starts to resent Sofia out

1219
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: of jealousy, OHP says, Unfortunately, that's not in our control.

1220
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: If contact between the girl starts to become a negative experience,

1221
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: and we will revisit that with guidance from our child psychologists.

1222
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: Will Opi and her husband be able to adopt Hannah

1223
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: at some point in the future, Opie says, time will

1224
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: not change the fact that we're not able to provide

1225
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: her with the home and care that she needs, and

1226
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: that is the end of that story.