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Speaker 1: Welcome into Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the

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Speaker 1: Road Forward. Thanks for joining us. The controversy surrounding former

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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden's mental capacity picking up serious traction and

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Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to find out who all

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Speaker 1: was involved and who was running the country. Anti Summitism

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Speaker 1: continues to show its ugly head this past week in Boulder, Colorado,

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Speaker 1: according to the FBI, an Egyptian man in the United

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Speaker 1: States illegally yelled three Palestine and he used makeshift flamethrowers

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Speaker 1: or firebombs at a pro Israel group. Eight people were

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Speaker 1: injured in the attack. And by the way, that attack

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Speaker 1: comes shortly after the fatal shooting in Washington of two

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Speaker 1: Israeli embassy workers. In the midst of all this, Trump's

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Speaker 1: approval rating is soaring fifty four percent right now, on

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Speaker 1: the heels of his trip to the Middle East and

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Speaker 1: his push to have no tax on tips and no

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Speaker 1: tax on social Security. And don't forget Dad coming up

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Speaker 1: on Father's Day next week, next weekend, Dad's.

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Speaker 2: They matter more than you know.

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Speaker 1: There's always a word of hope and encouragement for you

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Speaker 1: and as you love, especially in these challenging times. I'm

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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Clinton, President of the American Association of Christian Councils.

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Speaker 1: I'll be your host our special guest joining us this week.

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Speaker 1: He's lead pastor of Pathway Church.

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Speaker 2: In Mobile, Alabama. Travis Johnson is back.

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Speaker 1: He's president and CEO of NRB, the National Religious Broadcasters.

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Speaker 1: Troy Miller is back. He's the CEO of Waterstone. Ken

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Speaker 1: Harrison is back with us and he is the founder

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Speaker 1: of Fathers in the Field. John Smith Baker.

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Speaker 2: Is back with us. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Christ Love me Sworthy for.

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Speaker 1: The controversy surrounding former President Joe Biden's metal capacity while

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Speaker 1: president deepens and real how leaders in the White House

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Speaker 1: hid and lied to the American people about his cognitive capacity.

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Speaker 1: And the big question again is who was running the country.

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Speaker 1: We're going to find out. Some think again that scandal

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Speaker 1: is bigger than Watergate. And shocking attacks on Christians in

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Speaker 1: Seattle by left wing radicals Antifa throwing water balloons some

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Speaker 1: say filled with urine bottles and sticks.

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Speaker 2: It's still in the news.

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Speaker 1: The results. Twenty three people were arrested. Seattle's mayor again

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Speaker 1: sided with the violent radicals and said that Christian that

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Speaker 1: Christian event was led by extremists, a radicals. Can you

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Speaker 1: believe that people of faith are pushing back? You know why,

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Speaker 1: because this is a serious religious liberty issue. Anti Semitism

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Speaker 1: continues to show its ugly head this past week in Boulder, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: According to the FBI, an Egyptian man in the United

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Speaker 1: States illegally yelled three Palestine and he used makeshift flamethrowers

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Speaker 1: or firebombs toward a pro Israel group.

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Speaker 2: Eight people were injured.

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Speaker 1: Attach comes shortly after the fatal shooting in Washington of

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Speaker 1: two Israeli embassy workers, and fear continues to grow more

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Speaker 1: and more as actual violence emerged from radical and dangerous

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants. President Trump is approval rating in the midst

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Speaker 1: of all this is soaring fifty four percent now, right

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Speaker 1: on the heels of his trip to the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: and is pushed to have no tax on tips or

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Speaker 1: on social security. And here we are making our way

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Speaker 1: toward Father's Day next weekend, which is significant.

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Speaker 2: Men are waking up.

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Speaker 1: They're tired of being dismissed and branded for toxic masculinity.

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Speaker 1: They're turning to faith, understanding strong for such a time

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Speaker 1: as this, I love Evisians, chapter six, verse four from

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Speaker 1: the Bible, it says, fathers or dads, don't provoke your

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Speaker 1: kids to wrath to anger, but bring them up in

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Speaker 1: the discipline and instruction.

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Speaker 4: Of the Lord.

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Speaker 1: Hey, get ready as we jump head first into our

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Speaker 1: discussion today with our guests here on Sunday, The Road Forward.

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Speaker 2: As always, we're on.

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Speaker 1: Many platforms, but if you're up on social media to

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Speaker 1: what's happening here on our broadcast The Road Forward. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to pray and we're going to get started. God,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your goodness and grace. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: this privilege. Use it for your glory. God, be in

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Speaker 1: the midst of all that's going on in our homes,

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Speaker 1: our country and more, help us to turn to you

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Speaker 1: and find our hope and strengthen you in Jesus' name.

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Speaker 2: Amen, let's get started.

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Speaker 2: Join US now is Travis Johnson.

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Speaker 1: He's lead pastor of Pathway Church, CEO of People for

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Speaker 1: Care and Learning, and founder of by a Tree Change

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Speaker 1: of Life. He's a member of the National Faith Advisory Board.

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Speaker 1: Pastor Travis Johnson, always great to see you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me.

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Speaker 6: It's always good to be with you. Doctor Clinton. Great

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Speaker 6: to be real America's voice rode forward.

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Speaker 2: Travis.

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Speaker 1: We were up in Washington this week and we had

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Speaker 1: a great time up there. It's pretty exciting. It's fun

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Speaker 1: to see God moving in special ways and to interact

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Speaker 1: with faith leaders coming in from all over the country,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 6: It sure is. And you know, I love the work

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Speaker 6: that we're doing. But it's not just about taking the mountain.

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Speaker 6: It's also who you take to the mountain or who

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Speaker 6: you go to the mountain with. And so I'm so

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Speaker 6: thankful for brothers and sisters that are in the same

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Speaker 6: fight and doing the same work.

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Speaker 1: At Travis, I wanted to talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: cultural issues, things that are out there, popping on social

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Speaker 1: media and more. I wanted to open up with President

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Speaker 1: Biden and his whole mental capacity. That scandal is picking

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Speaker 1: up steam. It's amazing to me but people are talking

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Speaker 1: more about I mean, how media helped hide this, how

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Speaker 1: the White House basically was lying about it. And the

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Speaker 1: big question was who's running the country? Travis, just your

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Speaker 1: take on this whole thing.

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Speaker 6: And I think first it's it's a challenge to each

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Speaker 6: one of us, if we're leaders. Trust is an important thing,

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Speaker 6: or integrity or character, and you know, when you're undermining

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Speaker 6: the integrity and character of our foundations, that's a major

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Speaker 6: issue for America and for you know, various political perspectives.

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Speaker 6: But it was it was clear, very clear to the

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Speaker 6: American people that what was happening in the Biden administration

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Speaker 6: was not you know, really being led by President Biden.

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Speaker 6: You could see it was very visible just on the

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Speaker 6: curated TV, television, televised you know, social media captures what

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Speaker 6: was happening. And the Biden administration makes you wonder about

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Speaker 6: the auto pen makes you want about the commutations, It

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Speaker 6: makes you wonder about a lot of things. Who was actually,

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Speaker 6: you know, pushing the button on the autopin What are

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Speaker 6: the ramifications of that?

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Speaker 6: You know, America, we are representative nation, you know, or

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Speaker 6: constitutional republic. We voted for a particular person. He was

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Speaker 6: asleep at the wheel, somebody else was running things.

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Speaker 2: Travis.

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Speaker 1: Sit in the midst of it, you begin to realize

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Speaker 1: it was pretty scandalous, and no wonder they kept going

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Speaker 1: kind of cascading off the cliff. They were willing to

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Speaker 1: if you will, and to keep control power was It

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Speaker 1: was nothing but a power grab, that's all it was.

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Speaker 6: Out It's sad to watch. It was sad to watch,

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Speaker 6: regardless of your political perspective. There's something about the office

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Speaker 6: the most powerful nation in the world, and to see

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Speaker 6: that weakness being propped up, the physical frailty, you know,

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Speaker 6: not not only that, but just the humanity of the

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Speaker 6: whole situation was really it was a real downgrade for

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Speaker 6: a country and for trust in our country.

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Speaker 1: Jevis, a lot of people miss saying America is back.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trump calls it the Golden Age of America.

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Speaker 1: We're going to say faith is back. It's pretty exciting

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Speaker 1: to see everything that's happening coming out of Washington and

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Speaker 1: the play up there. But Travis, I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: your thought on what's happening across the country, especially in

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Speaker 1: our churches. It seems like people are coming back to church.

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Speaker 1: It seems like people are flocking to events, faith based

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Speaker 1: events and more. But interesting research talking about religion or

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Speaker 1: faith is back in an upswing, and they're talking about

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Speaker 2: Into faith, and people are debating it left and right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, faith is back in style. Family is back in style,

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Speaker 6: freedom is back in style. These are not things we

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Speaker 6: should apologize for. These are the building blocks of society.

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Speaker 6: When the family is undone, when there are organizations that

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Speaker 6: I see with young men, just in anecdotal ways in

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Speaker 6: for things even that are traditional. So traditional family is important,

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Speaker 6: has produced that. Really, plus I think a sovereign move

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Speaker 6: get married, young men want to have children, and so

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Speaker 6: afraid of their masculinity who God has called them to be.

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Speaker 6: Be distinctly a godly man. Into our young women, be

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Speaker 6: distinctly godly and feminine. It's nothing weak about that. There's

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Speaker 6: nothing overbearing about being a man. They're complementary. It's a

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Speaker 6: seeing there, and I'm seeing that young men are lifting

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Speaker 6: their hands and their hearts in worship unashamed. It's some

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Speaker 6: of the most unapologetic voices that I have ever seen

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Speaker 6: in my church. Right now has been absolutely revolutionary. We

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Speaker 6: see it in the numbers. We see it in the

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Speaker 6: UK church attendance has fallen off the cliff. The only

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Speaker 6: place that it's really strong is in senior adults and

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Speaker 6: in young men, and that young demographic is skyrocketing. There's

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Speaker 6: literally revival taking place in that demographic in the UK

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Speaker 6: is also happening here in the US.

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Speaker 2: Travish.

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Speaker 1: We're coming up on Father's Day next weekend, and the

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Speaker 1: research out there about Dad and his influence is huge

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Speaker 1: I mean when dad is home actively engaged with his kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's all kinds of benefit from mental health,

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Speaker 1: the cognitive abilities, to feeling stronger in your male and

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Speaker 1: female identities, and you name it, Travis. At what we're finding,

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Speaker 1: too is a lot of young dads are stepping up

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Speaker 2: Troy, Always great to see you. Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Troy and rightfully dividing the word of truth. People are

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Speaker 1: Surey, a lot of people are wondering about Christian media.

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Speaker 1: But Troy, ever since you've taken over, a lot of

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Speaker 2: Joyce Now is Ken Harrison.

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Speaker 1: He currently serves as the CEO of Waterstones, an organization

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Speaker 1: a speaker author, appeared on numerous media outlets, including Fox News,

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Speaker 1: Ken Welcome, Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, well, the most important one I've been on

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Speaker 8: as your show. Tim Of course, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Ken, Glad to have you back too.

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Speaker 1: Hey, So we get started, Ken, A lot of people

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Speaker 1: are saying America's back.

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Speaker 2: Trump calls it the Golden Age of America.

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Speaker 1: But Ken, what's interesting in the middle of all those conversations,

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Speaker 1: people are saying this faith is back. Something's happening across

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Speaker 1: the nation. People believe the seeds of revival are being sown.

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Speaker 1: But Ken, the research that's coming out on men, and

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Speaker 1: I know you have a real heart for men. Young

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Speaker 1: men in particular, seem like they're turning on fire for God. Ken,

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Speaker 1: is it true? What are you saying?

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing?

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Speaker 8: You know what's funny? So two points on that.

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Speaker 9: The first one is a little bit of a correction

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Speaker 9: to the church. Yes, America is back. Yes, faith is back.

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Speaker 9: And if we think it's Donald Trump that's going to

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Speaker 9: bring us back and keep us.

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Speaker 8: Back, we're desperately wrong.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that movement's great, and you and I both very

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Speaker 9: supportive of it. But we have got to take this

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Speaker 9: and make it a faith based, christ based thing, not

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Speaker 9: a political based thing. This is a spiritual problem, not

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Speaker 9: a political one, and we're getting a respite right now.

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Speaker 9: But man, we got to stay about Christ. And so

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Speaker 9: that's the first part of that. The second is, I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, this younger generation was built with the everybody

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Speaker 9: gets a trophy mentality. You know, we're playing soccer and

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Speaker 9: nobody knows who won, and everybody gets a trophy, and

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Speaker 9: every little boy out there, they're six or seven years old,

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Speaker 9: are going well. Now, the score was twelve to eight

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Speaker 9: and I scored three goals and Johnny score two. That

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Speaker 9: means I'm better than Johnny and we won. And those

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Speaker 9: kids have kind of grown up with this idea that

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Speaker 9: adults are boneheads.

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Speaker 8: And now they're sort of going in.

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Speaker 9: And now those same adults who have kind of abandoned

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Speaker 9: traditional values, I don't trust them and where can I look?

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Speaker 9: And I think they're returning back to nuts just Christ,

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Speaker 9: but I think a fundamentalist attitude. They're coming back to

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Speaker 9: the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church. They're tired of our

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Speaker 9: generations flip flops and skinny jeans church, and they're looking

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Speaker 9: for tradition and something that really has a reverence for God.

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Speaker 9: And man, I applaud all of that, because I do

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Speaker 9: think we've gone a little bit too far with our

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Speaker 9: lack of reverence in the church today we sort of

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Speaker 9: show up sloppy and with a cup of coffee and

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Speaker 9: leave early. And I think this is a great movement

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Speaker 9: all around. It's being out led by young men who voted,

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Speaker 9: by the way, the same Trump thing I just talked about,

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Speaker 9: massively high percentages of young men voted for this Republican

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Speaker 9: ticket compared to the other demographics.

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Speaker 1: We often hear conversations about lost boy syndrome, this crisis

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Speaker 1: around our boys and Ken in the midst I want

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Speaker 1: you to talk about it. Jonathan Hate wrote the book

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Speaker 1: The Anxious Generation Inside of He talked about play based

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Speaker 1: childhood and phone based childhood and that kids are getting lost,

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Speaker 1: and boys in particular are getting lost in the virtual world.

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Speaker 2: They're not outside, they're.

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Speaker 1: Living up in here and they're trying to do that

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Speaker 1: competitive piece and all that in virtual worlds, etc.

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Speaker 2: But it's locking them up.

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Speaker 1: Look, you got thirty year olds sitting spending how many

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Speaker 1: hours a day playing video games and more. Ken talk

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Speaker 1: to us about the migration here of moving into manhood.

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Speaker 1: You hear what I'm saying and taking our rightful place,

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Speaker 1: taking back some ground.

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Speaker 2: Because we've given up ground. We've got to get ground back.

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Speaker 9: Here at the risk of being misunderstood. We have to

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Speaker 9: get away from being a feminized society. I didn't say

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Speaker 9: feminine society. It's a feminize which is sort of the negative.

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Speaker 8: Of that term.

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Speaker 9: People learn in pain. You must go through pain to

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Speaker 9: learn it. Even says in Hebrews that Jesus learned obedience

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Speaker 9: to his father through suffering. So if I want to

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Speaker 9: get in shape, I will experience the pain of buying

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Speaker 9: sore lifting weights and not eating the potato chips and

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Speaker 9: steady eating the apple.

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Speaker 8: Everything.

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Speaker 9: If I wone learned Spanish, I gotta study Spanish. Everything

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Speaker 9: has to do with being uncomfortable. The thing about mothers

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Speaker 9: is mothers want their kids to be comfortable. And actually

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Speaker 9: it's way safer if you're a mom to have little

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Speaker 9: Johnny in their playing video games, because if he's playing

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Speaker 9: video games, he's not going to get hurt. The problem

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Speaker 9: is boys only learn by getting hurt. Boys learn by

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Speaker 9: playing football in the street and in baseball, and they

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Speaker 9: get in fist fights. And you know, I felt you

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Speaker 9: know you didn't, and then there's a fistfight. Little Johnny

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Speaker 9: comes on with a black eye. Those are the things

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Speaker 9: that make boys into men. Doesn't sound right, but it's

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Speaker 9: just it is how it's always been. And we have

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Speaker 9: had a generation almost all societies in the United States

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Speaker 9: society up until the eighties, young men joined the military,

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Speaker 9: so they got to be seventeen or so, and most

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Speaker 9: especially middle class, lower class.

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Speaker 8: You know, I went to the Marine Corps.

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Speaker 9: You went and you learned how to be a man

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Speaker 9: at seventeen, even if you didn't have a dad, because

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Speaker 9: you had a drill instructor and you got to check

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Speaker 9: and you learn how to write bills, and you learn

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Speaker 9: how to be a man, and then you went to

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Speaker 9: college when you're a little bit more mature. Now we

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Speaker 9: have mothers doing everything they can to protect little Johnny.

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Speaker 9: They don't realize as they're creating a spineless mass of genes.

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Speaker 9: And then he goes off to college at seventeen.

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Speaker 8: Full of.

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Speaker 9: You know, his sexual drive and all that immaturity that

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Speaker 9: comes out. And so if you're a single mom and

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Speaker 9: you're watching this, you have to have men in your

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Speaker 9: son's life, godly men. And if you don't you need

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Speaker 9: to sometimes get rid of that women's instinct to say, Johnny,

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Speaker 9: go play, go outside, and if he gets smacked in

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Speaker 9: that's a bummer, But little Johnny's learning how to be

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Speaker 9: a man. We've got to get to that point because

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Speaker 9: most of us who are men realize that is what

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Speaker 9: made us. I mean, I think of all the times

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Speaker 9: I came home beat up, my mom crying and my

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Speaker 8: Yeah? All right, you know that's how I became. I became.

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Speaker 8: It is what we all went through.

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Speaker 1: Ken I think a lot of that's spilled over into

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Speaker 1: your more recent book.

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Speaker 2: A Daring Faith in a Cowardly World.

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Speaker 1: Then you're challenging Christians to also step up, step in,

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Speaker 1: be bold, don't be timid, be strong for christ that's

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Speaker 1: what you want them to be. Ken I, we're out

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Speaker 1: of time. But if people want to learn more about you,

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Speaker 1: where can they go? Maybe pick up a copy of

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Speaker 1: your book?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Kenarharrison dot Com as the website, and now that

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Speaker 9: we'd pick up the books, especially, you know, if you're

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Speaker 9: if you're looking for a book that'll teach your young

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Speaker 9: son to be a man, or your daughter what a

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Speaker 9: man looks like during faith in that cowardly world, excuse me,

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Speaker 9: Rise of the Serving Kings. There's lots of LAPD cop stories

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Speaker 9: as an l a cop, and during faith in a

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Speaker 9: cowardly real world really goes into all the crowns of

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Speaker 9: awards will win from Christ after we're saved through good works,

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Speaker 9: which sounds weird, but I'm telling you we were saved

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Speaker 9: reward those who are about his business.

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Speaker 2: Ken Harrison, thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I couldn't agree more. I mean, you know, the

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Speaker 3: compounding impact on followless homes and then this technology revolution

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Speaker 3: we call it, you know, it's almost a de evolution,

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Speaker 3: if you will. But I agree with that sentiment you

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Speaker 3: just said about that phone base versus play base. Another

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Speaker 3: way I've heard it is, you know, we don't have

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Speaker 3: a ad H problem, we have an ODH outdoor deficit problem.

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Speaker 3: I think boys, especially with their adventure spirit, there's they're

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Speaker 3: meant to be outside. They're meant to explore, take risk,

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Speaker 3: get hurt, break their arm, and that all helps grow

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Speaker 3: a boy into a man.

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Speaker 2: John with it.

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Speaker 1: You know, culture hasts sent that message about toxic masculinity

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Speaker 1: over the last how many years, and men men are

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Speaker 1: sick of it, by the way, They're tired of being

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Speaker 1: told they're toxic. I believe that there's toxic behavior, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think masculinity is toxic. If anything, we need

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Speaker 1: masculinity in this culture. Your take on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: speak all around the nation, I talk all the time.

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Speaker 3: I said, the concept of toxic masculinity is just not true. Again,

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Speaker 3: they're trying to reframe words, redescribe words, and masculinity is

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Speaker 3: a gift from God.

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Speaker 8: It's a gift.

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Speaker 3: It's a gift to the world, it's a gift to

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Speaker 3: the nation, it's a gift to women, and it's certainly

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Speaker 3: a gift to children. So this whole concept of toxic

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Speaker 3: maxculinity is just another way to destroy, discourage, beat down men.

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Speaker 1: And so John, when you think then about the virtual world.

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Speaker 1: If men are empty, they're locked up like in cages

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Speaker 1: almost boys are, you know, sitting in classrooms all day long,

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Speaker 1: and they can't do much. The next thing, you're right,

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Speaker 1: they do is they drift into these worlds and then

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Speaker 1: they're getting inundated with porn hub and all kinds of

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Speaker 1: things coming at them, and they've got to make decisions.

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Speaker 1: And well, i'll tell you what. It sets men up

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Speaker 1: for a real, real mess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they're being inundated with things that can

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Speaker 3: pacify them, things that can, what they believe, soothe their

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Speaker 3: pain and hurt through addiction and that addiction can be

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Speaker 3: through pornography, can be through drugs, and alcohol, can be

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Speaker 3: through chasing women, and it can be workaholicism. And sadly,

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Speaker 3: the church is being overwhelmed with all these symptoms and

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Speaker 3: the root cause of it really is the breakup of

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Speaker 3: the family, the hurt and woundedness of these boys and girls,

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Speaker 3: and really the father not being in the home. In fact,

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Speaker 3: few researches, it just came out with a statistic and

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Speaker 3: some research and said that the US has the largest

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Speaker 3: in the world of children being raised and single parent

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Speaker 3: homes in the world. Yeah, so we're up against it.

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Speaker 1: John, talk to us about fatherlessness. What have you learned

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Speaker 1: through the years. You've spent a lot of time with

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Speaker 1: children who've grown up in those kind of homes. But John,

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Speaker 1: you also there's some backwater here. There's a story narrative.

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Speaker 1: You understand that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean the hurt is real, the setbacks real,

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Speaker 3: and the hill to climb to dig out of the

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Speaker 3: hole when you grow up follow us is real. But

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Speaker 3: praise God, there is hope and there's victory in Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we get to share with these boys.

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Speaker 3: The Ministry of Followers in the field gets to translate

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Speaker 3: the gospel and to a follow us boy's language so

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Speaker 3: he can it can pierce all our hurt and callouss

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Speaker 3: around his heart, and he gets to hear for the

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Speaker 3: first time that there's a father out there, a heavenly

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Speaker 3: father that will never leave her forsake them, and really

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Speaker 3: to go on this journey we call it the forgiveness journey,

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Speaker 3: and end of the day, they have to realize that

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Speaker 3: they're sinners too. They need forgiveness, just like their father

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Speaker 3: sinned against them about leaving the home and breaking up

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Speaker 3: the family. So really it's like everyone, we're all fatherless.

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Speaker 3: We all need to be adopted in God's family, and

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Speaker 3: so we can spend attorney with them. So the path

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Speaker 3: is the same, it's just different for follow those boys.

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Speaker 1: John, you wrote a book called Men Enough to Forgive You,

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Speaker 1: and I've talked about it a couple of times. I

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Speaker 1: wanted you to share the heart of it, because at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, somewhere in this journey, if

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Speaker 1: you're fatherless, you've got to You've got to go do

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Speaker 1: that kind of business. But John, what does it look

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Speaker 1: like to let it go?

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Speaker 2: Move on?

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people think forgiveness, Uh, it

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Speaker 1: means that I'm saying it's okay, what happened, John, You

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Speaker 1: know that it gets complicated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: Well, the first big principle is you have to realize

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Speaker 3: that reconciliation is different than forgiveness. Forgiveness is a command

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Speaker 3: by God Almighty. And you know us our flesh, we

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Speaker 3: want to we want to pound of it, you know.

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Speaker 8: When somebody wrongs us.

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Speaker 3: But Manough to Give is geared towards men that have

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Speaker 3: graduated in adulthood that are still dealing with this father

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Speaker 3: with this deep, deep hurt inside them, and they have addictions,

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Speaker 3: they have hurt anger or anger issues, and their marriage.

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Speaker 3: It's a hard thing to get over. So Manough to

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Speaker 3: Forgive is geared for that for men's study or individual study.

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Speaker 3: I encourage you to check it out at manenough to

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Speaker 3: Forgive dot com. But it it goes right to the

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Speaker 3: part of things that men need to hear. We can't

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Speaker 3: excuse it away. It is a It is a big issue.

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Speaker 3: But praise God, there there's a path to restoration and

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Speaker 3: healing and you can be the man God intended you

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Speaker 3: to be.

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Speaker 8: That's the encouraging side.

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Speaker 1: John, do you remember the day when you finally let

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Speaker 1: it go with your dad whole issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it brings back great joy because

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Speaker 3: through all the hurt and pain, when I heard the

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Speaker 3: heavenly Father, I gave up all my sins so easily,

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Speaker 3: my earthly, fleshy sins. But I heard the Heavenly Father

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Speaker 3: say to me, John, now you need to forgive your

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Speaker 3: earthly father for abandoning you. And that's a sin that

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Speaker 3: I told myself every day that I wasn't going to do.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't going to forgive. But when I did, obviously

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Speaker 3: being confronted with the Holy Being, Obviously I know how

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Speaker 3: to describe it now, but I didn't at the time.

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Speaker 3: But when I finally said, when I relented, and when

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Speaker 3: I repented of sin unforgiveness, that's when I felt clean.

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Speaker 3: That's when I felt restored. That's when I knew I

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Speaker 3: was born again and the spirit came to live inside me.

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Speaker 3: But I always describe it my soul could finally breathe.

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Speaker 1: Wow, John, You're taking that message to our boys around

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Speaker 1: the country who don't have a dad. People learn more

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Speaker 1: about you again, John, John Smith Baker and fathers in

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Speaker 1: the field, the ministry that's in churches some thirty states

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Speaker 1: across the country, over five hundred churches now John working.

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Speaker 3: They go yeah, fathers in the Field dot com and

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Speaker 3: send us a message as a button on their click

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Speaker 3: and roll my church or of your single mom help

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Speaker 3: my son and we'll get things started on your behalf

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Speaker 3: and we'll fight to the bitter end to help your son.

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Speaker 1: Fathers in the Field dot com. Josh Smith Baker always

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Speaker 1: great to see you, my friend. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: God bless you, and thanks for all the work you do.

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Speaker 7: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 7: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 7: part of your life.

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Speaker 2: And closing.

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Speaker 1: These are unprecedented times, challenging times, lots going on, some good,

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Speaker 1: some bad. But I know this God's in control and

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Speaker 1: I really believe God's at work. I hope you're pressing

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Speaker 1: close to Him in his heart. Know this that God

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Speaker 1: loves you and that he wants to be in your life.

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Speaker 1: I hope, our hope, our strength, it comes from the Lord.

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Speaker 1: Here's an encouraging verse again from the Bible as we

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Speaker 1: look to Father's Day Visions, Chapter six, verse for fathers dads.

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Speaker 1: Don't provoke your children to anger, but bring them up

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Speaker 1: in the nurture and admonition or the discipline and instruction

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Speaker 1: of the Lord. I hope you know that you can

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Speaker 1: look to God for wisdom and direction again in your

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Speaker 1: everyday life. Let me also say I've learned as a

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Speaker 1: professional counselor that it's normal to have concern, maybe some

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Speaker 1: fear or worry, especially when life's not the way it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be, when your wheels are coming off your bus.

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Speaker 1: But I've also learned too that if you're not careful,

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Speaker 1: it can begin to consume you, control you. It's easy

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Speaker 1: to lose perspective. For some, they feel like they've lost hope.

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Speaker 1: Some may even feel like life would be better off

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Speaker 1: without them. I say this every week. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to live like that. Simply taking a step reaching out

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Speaker 1: for help it's often the gateway to a new day

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Speaker 1: and a new youth. Every week people tell me they're

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Speaker 1: doing that very thing. They're reaching out for help or hope.

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Speaker 1: And if you are someone you love is struggling to

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Speaker 1: do that, there are wonderful counsels and pastors who care

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Speaker 1: you can help you find the hope and maybe the answers.

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Speaker 1: You're looking for wonderful resources out there. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: connect you with some of those. You can learn more

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Speaker 1: at our website at AACC dot net that's AACC dot net.

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Speaker 1: Or if you're looking for a mental health provider, a

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Speaker 1: counselor a coach, go up on a new website christiancareconnect

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Speaker 1: dot com christiancareconnect dot com. If you don't have a

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Speaker 1: personal relationship with God in Christ, you can do that

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Speaker 1: right now by asking Him to come into your life.

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Speaker 1: You can ask him to forgive you of your sin

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Speaker 1: and become your Lord and savior. All you have to

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Speaker 1: do is simply prayer, prayer from your heart to God's heart,

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Speaker 1: something like this. You could pray it right now, Lord Jesus,

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Speaker 1: I need you. I know that I'm broken. I'm a sinner.

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Speaker 1: I've broken your laws, but I believe you died for

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Speaker 1: my sins. I turn from them and invite you to

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Speaker 1: come into my heart and life. I want to trust

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Speaker 1: you and follow you as my Lord and savior. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for loving me, Thank you for giving your life

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Speaker 1: for me. Thank you for the gift of grace and forgiveness,

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Speaker 1: and the gift of eternal life. I pray all this

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Speaker 1: in Jesus's name. You know what the Bible says, Romans

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Speaker 1: ten to nine says is if you confess with your

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Speaker 1: mouth that Jesus is Lord, and you believe in your

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Speaker 1: heart that God raised him from the dead, you will

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Speaker 1: be saved.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you will be saved.

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Speaker 1: The best thing you can do now is go and

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Speaker 1: serve God, tell others about Him, and I believe this,

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Speaker 1: He'll give you the strength to do it. If you're

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Speaker 1: struggling with hopelessness, maybe it's so dark and you are

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Speaker 1: struggling even to pray or anything like that. Maybe thoughts

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Speaker 1: about harming yourself. I hope you'll pick up the phone

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Speaker 1: and call the suicide hotline. That number is nine eight

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Speaker 1: eight nine eight eight. That's the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, maybe God's gifted you with a heart

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