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Speaker 2: Now we have an update on an update. Last hour

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Speaker 2: It's not about money, John, It's about trying to prevent

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Speaker 1: Need all the airlines need pilots. They're hiring drug addicts now, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: Well you got you. I mean, we're been doing the

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Speaker 2: Lou Shapiro because FBF s BF was found guilty. Sam

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Speaker 1: You're a classic set of left wing professor phonies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So you think about it. Now, you could go into

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Speaker 1: Right because they will not put the mental patients and

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Speaker 2: They won't do it, but care Court is coming. John

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Speaker 1: How many will how many of these guys? I think

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Speaker 1: Why am I taking this pill? It's because you're really crazy. No,

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Speaker 2: defense attorney about Sam Bankman freed. He was found guilty

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Speaker 2: prison sentence for his crimes. That's next. Johnny Ken KFI

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Speaker 2: So now we're gonna visit the big story from last night,

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Speaker 1: Lol, welcome, How are you hey?

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Speaker 3: Good to be back with you guys. Good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: All right, So the basics, as I understood the case

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty good summary of it. And obviously

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Speaker 1: Yeah. FTX was supposed to be almost like a bank

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Speaker 3: Right, and they would get a return on their investment.

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Speaker 2: And how is this different than and I'm pretty naive

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Speaker 3: Good question. The difference is, when we put money into

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Speaker 3: Look, it's the kind of case that there was no

435
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Speaker 3: deal to be made because any deal would have set

436
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Speaker 3: him up for numerous years in prison given the loss amount,

437
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Speaker 3: and that's what the United States Federal Sendencing guidelines really

438
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Speaker 3: goes by. So for them, there really wasn't much to

439
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Speaker 3: lose by going to trial putting it out there. The

440
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Speaker 3: idea was that it wasn't intentional, that you he's young,

441
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Speaker 3: that he made mistakes, that he was in over his head.

442
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Speaker 3: That was the best they had to go with, and

443
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Speaker 3: that's what they rolled with. The jury obviously didn't go

444
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Speaker 3: with it in the end.

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Speaker 2: And I guess did other FTX employees cooperate here to

446
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Speaker 2: make this tougher for Sam Bankuin freed?

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when all your close friends and colleagues crumble around you,

448
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Speaker 3: it certainly not only takes a legal hit on it,

449
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Speaker 3: but also an emotional hit. And he was basically last

450
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Speaker 3: man standing here on an island on his own so

451
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Speaker 3: it was just dying as flow debt. The whole trial,

452
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Speaker 3: it was sort of a foregone conclusion. But you know,

453
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Speaker 3: in the back of your mind, you're like, well, let's

454
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Speaker 3: see what they got. Maybe there's maybe he's more sympathetic

455
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Speaker 3: are compassionate than most people think. But as we see

456
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Speaker 3: in the end, the jury was very quick to condict

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Speaker 3: only a few hours, over multiple counts and over a

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Speaker 3: long trial.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these were his longtime friends, his girlfriend, they

460
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Speaker 1: all live together, they were all romantically involved with each other,

461
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Speaker 1: and they all drop the hammer on them to stay

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Speaker 1: out of federal prison, or at least stay out from

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Speaker 1: a long sentence.

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Speaker 3: Well with most people don't even know this, but the

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Speaker 3: big difference between state prosecution, which is more people are

466
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Speaker 3: familiar with than federal. This is a federal case, and

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Speaker 3: the federal law actually codify snitching. Under Section five K

468
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Speaker 3: one of the Sentencing Guideline Manual. It says that somebody

469
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Speaker 3: who cooperates with the government can get a lighter sentence,

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Speaker 3: so it is encouraged and oftentimes in federal cases that's

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Speaker 3: what the defendants are left to do, and that's what

472
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Speaker 3: they did in this case to save their skin and

473
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Speaker 3: we'll see what they get at their sentencing versus banks

474
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Speaker 3: and Free.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Wall Street Journal says that they'll probably appeal

476
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Speaker 2: this and one of the bases for their appeal that

477
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Speaker 2: they weren't allowed to present to Jura's testimony that bankmin

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Speaker 2: Freed relied on the blessing of lawyers to make some

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Speaker 2: of his business decisions. Do you think there's any grounds

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Speaker 2: to that?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, it's all commonly known as the advice of

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Speaker 3: countful defense. And when they tried explaining it to the

483
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Speaker 3: judge and bankman Freed even took the stand at what point,

484
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Speaker 3: not in the presence of the jury, to articulate what

485
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Speaker 3: he would testify to. The trial judge felt that it

486
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Speaker 3: did not meet the standard of adviceive counsel, though what

487
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Speaker 3: he said was not specific enough to meet that, so

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Speaker 3: that's why he didn't let them argue it. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's going to be very fruitful on appeal, because

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Speaker 3: the trial judge did do a thorough analysis of it

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Speaker 3: in making that rule.

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Speaker 1: Well, because this case was simple, I mean, obviously the

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Speaker 1: jury understood it. I wondered, because there's no way to

494
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Speaker 1: watch all the details of a case like this, I

495
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Speaker 1: wondered if it got so complex the average juror just

496
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Speaker 1: all flew over his head, right, But as you laid

497
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Speaker 1: out the case, it was pretty simple. People were putting

498
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Speaker 1: their money. They had no expectation that bankman Freed would

499
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Speaker 1: start betting with that money on other cryptocurrencies, and then

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Speaker 1: he lost it and he couldn't pay it back to

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Speaker 1: the original depositors. So it's not hard to understand what

502
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Speaker 1: went on here.

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Speaker 3: He broke the laws right and even right, and apparently

504
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Speaker 3: when Bateman Friedy was testifying you, we said that jurors

505
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Speaker 3: were even laughing and looking at each other during some

506
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Speaker 3: of it answering the question. So, like you said, it

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Speaker 3: just it's almost like he never had a shot going

508
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Speaker 3: into this thing as much there for him talking.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be hard to promote yourself as a

510
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Speaker 1: genius for years, make billions of dollars because you're a

511
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Speaker 1: genius and people trust you, and then when you get

512
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Speaker 1: caught say oh, I was very naive in and experienced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look that's what happened almost to Elizabeth Holmes

514
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Speaker 3: in a little bit right. I mean, she also went

515
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Speaker 3: to trial and she tried to argue that I had

516
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Speaker 3: this dream my intentions were good. I never meant for

517
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Speaker 3: people to lose money, and the jury there as well

518
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Speaker 3: convicted her. So this argument of you know, high profile

519
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Speaker 3: individual that built up these kinds of companies to say

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Speaker 3: I didn't mean for this to happen, it's just not

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Speaker 3: going to fly with the jury because of lost amount

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Speaker 3: to investors.

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Speaker 1: Is that ever a real defense? I didn't intend to

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Speaker 1: do this. I didn't understand that. I thought it matters

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Speaker 1: whether the crime happened or not, not what you intended.

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Speaker 3: Well, there is a criminal intent element in every charge.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's specific intent, sometimes it's general intent, but there

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Speaker 3: has to be some intent otherwise it's called strict liability.

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Speaker 3: And this wasn't a strict liability case. All they have

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Speaker 3: to show was that he did things that he misrepresented

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Speaker 3: to the investors. Whether he intended for them to lose

532
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Speaker 3: money or not really doesn't matter. It's just did he

533
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Speaker 3: intentionally do things that he didn't say he was doing,

534
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Speaker 3: and the jury said he did, and that's where he

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Speaker 3: is today.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 2: What about these parents, Joseph Bankman and Barbara Freed. They

538
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Speaker 2: apparently benefited from all this with real estate and gifts.

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Speaker 3: Uh right, So the federal government will definitely be doing

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Speaker 3: tracing to see where all this money went and if

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Speaker 3: they benefited any way from it. The government house these

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Speaker 3: powers to do what's called acid force, for sure, and

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Speaker 3: they can initiate of the those proceedings separately from the

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Speaker 3: criminal one.

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Speaker 2: But Sam Bankman freed, I see here month story, faces

546
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Speaker 2: up to one hundred years possibly in prison as a maximum.

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Speaker 1: What's the realistic sense?

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Speaker 3: So that's that's a very interesting question because this judge

549
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: is going to have a difficult time sendencing him. On

550
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Speaker 3: one hand, he's facing all these years, so much money

551
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: was lost to investors, and on the other hand, you

552
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: have an individual as no criminal record, it's very bright,

553
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: had a future, and you know, how do you strike

554
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: the right balance not to over punish but not under punished.

555
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Speaker 3: I think he's definitely looking at somewhere in the eight

556
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Speaker 3: to ten year mark. How much more, I'm not sure?

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Speaker 2: All right, lu thank you so much for your input.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You got a gentleman.

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Speaker 2: How a nice lookin criminal defense Attorney Luke Shapiro on

561
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Speaker 2: the Sam Bankman freed story. The founder of FTX found guilty,

562
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Speaker 2: So you know, howman, what else.

563
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Speaker 1: Was a big part of Sam Bankman Freed's scam, and

564
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Speaker 1: a lot of journalists fell for this, and politicians. He

565
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Speaker 1: was part of this movement called effective altruism that he

566
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Speaker 1: wanted to make money in order to give it away

567
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Speaker 1: and have some positive effect on the world. So he

568
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Speaker 1: just gave he was making the money and then one

569
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Speaker 1: day he was going to do all this good. And

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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of sappy you know, political type people

571
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Speaker 1: and journalists and lefty progressive types who want to believe

572
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Speaker 1: that could be I want to believe that really human

573
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Speaker 1: beings are onebody.

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Speaker 2: That altruistic that's right.

575
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Speaker 1: And so that's how he snowed people. He got so

576
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: many glowing magazine articles, so many glowing newspaper articles and

577
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Speaker 1: television segments on him.

578
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Speaker 2: He's the executive of the future that we need.

579
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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated how a guy like that snows everybody with

580
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Speaker 1: his BS. I mean, this is a pretty basic crime.

581
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Speaker 1: He took other people's money, bet with it and lost it.

582
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says he if they spent on technology startups,

583
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Speaker 2: Bahama's real estate, political donations and as you just mentioned,

584
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Speaker 2: sitable contribution.

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Speaker 1: And the reason he was in the Bahamas was it

586
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Speaker 1: was it was yes to avoid yeah, because the regulations

587
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: were so loose there. In fact, his dad suggested the Bahamas.

588
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: His dad was up to his neck in this and

589
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Speaker 1: so you know, his dad and mom are complete phony hypocrites.

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Speaker 1: He was a phony hypocrite for people swooned because effective altruism, Oh,

591
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Speaker 1: how wonderful, how lovely. Not just another greedy billionaire, except

592
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Speaker 1: he was living a high life. He was another greedy billionaire.

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Speaker 1: And he just figured he was so smart he'd be

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Speaker 1: able to out fox everybody. And you know, if if

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Speaker 1: he got caught, he was going to just talk his

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Speaker 1: way out of it. And he was a celebrity now.

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Speaker 1: He was also one of the greatest donors to the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. He was like he was. He was one

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Speaker 1: of the top two or three donors overall to Joe

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll go on forever. Did you hear how they

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Speaker 2: I heard part of the story, right.

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Speaker 1: It's a really cool story. So John Lennon had all

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Speaker 1: these demo tapes that he made back in the nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 1: But he was still alive, and they had a couple

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Speaker 1: there was, but they unearthed this one. Well. They had

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Speaker 1: nineties too, but there was a problem with the recording

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Speaker 1: because Lennon's piano playing was overwhelming his voice and there

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Speaker 1: wasn't anything they could do about it the way it

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Speaker 1: was recorded. But with artificial intelligence they were able to

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Speaker 1: extract his voice from the piano. And they already had

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Speaker 1: George Harrison's guitar work from their mid nineties attempt to

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Speaker 1: make a song out of this, and now in current

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Speaker 1: all together.

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Speaker 2: So is Paul McCartney's part on this record knew or

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Speaker 2: is this also audio from the seventies?

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Speaker 1: No, it's new. Only only Lennon's is from the seventies.

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Speaker 1: It was his song that he first one of the

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Speaker 1: George Harrison is long dead too. George Harrison his guitar

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Speaker 1: work was in the mid nineties for this song, but

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Speaker 1: they couldn't work out the problem with Lenin's vocal. And

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Speaker 1: now with artificial intelligence they were able to solve that puzzle.

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Speaker 1: And now they added McCartney and ring our stars work

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Speaker 1: to it, and you have now and then the name

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Speaker 1: of this song.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the other day, you know, the usual

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Speaker 2: Conway show coming on. He talks to us at the

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Speaker 2: uber eats Grubhub guy. Remember he said that, right, and

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Speaker 2: I distinctly said no, no. And here's a good reason

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Speaker 2: why this Utah story. We get the report from ABC

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Speaker 2: four in Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 7: We are hearing from a man who claims he ordered

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Speaker 7: a milkshake on grubhub but got a cup full of

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Speaker 7: urine instead. Caleb Wood saying that he ordered a Chick

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Speaker 7: fil A sandwich, fries, and a milkshake.

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Speaker 1: Through grub pub.

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Speaker 7: Well, when he started eating his meal, he put the

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Speaker 7: straw in his cup and says he took a sip

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Speaker 7: and immediately realized he had gotten a cup of warm urine.

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Speaker 4: No, did you confuse the cups because like, dude, this

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Speaker 4: is a it's half full of meat.

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Speaker 7: What going on to say? The driver admitted that he

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Speaker 7: works long hours and doesn't take bathroom breaks, so he

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Speaker 7: urinates in a cup. Would saying Grubhub took four days

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Speaker 7: to get back to him after he reported.

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Speaker 3: The incident, refunded a portion of the order.

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Speaker 1: I think it costs like twenty five bucks, and they

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Speaker 1: refunded eighteen bucks the actual cost of the food.

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Speaker 3: They didn't refund like the delivery feed order stand that

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Speaker 3: I gave readything like that.

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Speaker 7: ABC four reached out to Grubhub as well for a response,

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Speaker 7: and in a statement they responded with saying, in part,

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Speaker 7: this is unacceptable and we have absolutely no tolerance for

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Speaker 7: this or any type of misconduct on Grubhub. We took

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Speaker 7: immediate action with the driver and ended his contract with us.

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Speaker 1: Why why didn't they return the seven dollars delivery chart?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really seven dollars to deliver a cup of urine?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I mean? Plus he spent almost thirty bucks on just

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Speaker 2: what fries in a shake? And a Yeah, there a

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Speaker 2: chicken sandwich in there, it says a meal, So maybe

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Speaker 2: there's a chicken sandwich.

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Speaker 1: All right? The guy has to pee in a cup, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, under pressure to get to each delivery, all right,

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Speaker 2: but they don't have time to find a bathroom.

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Speaker 1: But why did he deliver it? Deliver what the cup

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Speaker 1: of urine? Why didn't he leave it in the car?

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Speaker 2: Didn't you listen to the story closely? No, there's two

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Speaker 2: cups in front of him. One is the man's drink

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Speaker 2: and one is the cup of urine, the milkshake versus

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Speaker 2: the urine. He picked up the urine cup by mistake

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Speaker 2: and walked up to the door. Can't tell a milkshake

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Speaker 2: from warm urine. The milkshake is cold, it had been

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Speaker 2: a long day. The cup of urine was from the

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Speaker 2: same restaurant as the milkshake too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just as a styrofoam cup a milkshake styrofoam, right,

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Speaker 2: doesn't that make things? They don't?

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Speaker 1: The fel so hot when milkshakes usually come in tall

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Speaker 1: cups and they're cold.

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Speaker 2: You did this on purpose as a prank. See if

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Speaker 2: the sky drinks my pea unless unless he was on mushrooms,

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: Said he was tired, and if it was a cup

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Speaker 1: of lemonade, I could see. But I'm not buying this

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Speaker 1: that it was a mistake.

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Speaker 2: I had to have a place in the car where

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Speaker 2: a pea cup goes far away from the place where

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Speaker 2: the food delivery.

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Speaker 1: Why would you pay thirty bucks for a cheat?

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Speaker 2: That's why I can't believe. I don't use these because

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Speaker 2: you know what they do. Though door da ash, you

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Speaker 2: breached all of them. They offer you all sorts of

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Speaker 2: discounts because they realized that this whole delivery business can

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Speaker 2: be expensive when you think about it, Because you got

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Speaker 2: to pay the tip and you got to pay the

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Speaker 2: delivery charge. So they often offer you deals. That's how

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Speaker 2: they get people to know. If you go to certain

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Speaker 2: restaurants and do this delivery, give it twenty percent.

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Speaker 1: Off or something. A couple of times I looked at

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Speaker 1: doing this. I got to the final price and it

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Speaker 1: was double. I thought, your kids did this, don't they?

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Speaker 1: My kids do it? Yeah, I don't, though. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've occasionally had a slice of pizza if somebody else

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Speaker 1: ordered it, but I have not done my own order

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Speaker 1: for delivery in years. Because it was after that French

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Speaker 1: fries story came out. I think it was Dann Goldstein's story,

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Speaker 1: the guy eating the French fries, guy eating the French fries.

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Speaker 1: That that story alone said I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 2: That's nothing compared to this, because the one that got

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Speaker 2: me was the guy that apparently was caught on video

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Speaker 2: at the ring doorbell camera taking a sip out of

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Speaker 2: the guy's milkshick before he handed it over.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't like that either, that too. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I've met some of these guys at the door when

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Speaker 1: they deliver my son's stuff. It's like, I mean, but we.

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Speaker 5: Don't really know what's going on behind you know, in

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Speaker 5: the kitchens either, which grosses me up.

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Speaker 2: You gotta just forget that. And it's really nothing you

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Speaker 2: could do.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to pay an extra service charge for it, and.

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Speaker 2: I don't I've probably eaten a plate of boogers, but

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Speaker 2: I tried to think about it.

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Speaker 1: And I hate having to check the pizza for unwanted top.

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Speaker 2: Oh, come jeez, anything in mind?

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Speaker 1: Specifically? Are you sure this is sauce sage? J oh no,

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Speaker 1: is this really the best thing you put on there?

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Speaker 1: Disgusting guys. Just ranch all right, We've had our fun,

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Speaker 1: we got We're just playing Grosch the Girl Out and

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Speaker 1: you welcome back to eighth grade.

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Speaker 2: And we're on the three o'clock hour on Friday, so

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Speaker 2: we'll get a visit from the Moistline people at three twenty.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the show, around three point fifty,

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