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Speaker 1: It is a Wednesday. At is midweek. Great finishes in

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Speaker 1: college football last week, Joel Klatt about three minutes away,

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Speaker 1: got a feeling we're gonna get more this weekend. I

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Speaker 1: saw this Golden State lost their sixth consecutive road game.

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Speaker 1: They went to ok See. I've always felt like in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, you've got to because it's the smallest locker room,

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Speaker 1: so one bad apple or one bad relationship can screw up.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Joy and Pool Warrior thing a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, just screwed up the whole team. I mean

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Speaker 1: they talked about it when after he was traded to Washington,

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Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, screwed up the whole team. I always

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Speaker 1: feel like Oklahoma City last year, all young, all aspirational, unified,

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Speaker 1: Denver three years ago, all their star players. None of

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Speaker 1: them had a title, none of them had a chip Jokich, Murray,

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Speaker 1: Gordon Porter unified, Celtics Tatum, Jalen Brown unified. I never

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Speaker 1: feel like the Warriors now are unified. Old guys were,

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Speaker 1: Katie worked, Iguadala work, Jimmy Butler worked, Boget worked. Every

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Speaker 1: time they bring new guys in, there's a struggle because

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Speaker 1: it's not unified. Steph what thirty seven four titles, Draymond

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Speaker 1: thirty five ish four titles. Then you have Pods and Kaminga.

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Speaker 1: They're just trying to establish themselves. It's a totally different

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Speaker 1: timeline psychologically, physically, it just doesn't make any sense. It's

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Speaker 1: not a unified team. Steve Kerr is not a therapist,

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Speaker 1: he's a coach. And so Draymond Green was talking about

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Speaker 1: agendas after last night's loss.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody was committed to winning and doing that

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Speaker 2: anyway possible. Do you have to make those personal agenda

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Speaker 2: then you kind of got to get rid of your

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Speaker 1: Well, my argument would be is Pods and Kaminga. Do

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Speaker 1: they have agendas or are they just ambitious? There's a

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Speaker 1: fine line between having an agenda and being super ambitious,

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Speaker 1: and I just I don't. I never feel like the

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Speaker 1: young guys really ideally work with the old guys. With

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Speaker 1: the Warriors, it's always been a much easier place to

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Speaker 1: bring an old guy in, Iggy KD Butler. Butler worked

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Speaker 1: the first game. He literally worked instantly. KD worked instantly,

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Speaker 1: Iggy worked instantly. Young got Kaminga, I mean, what are

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Speaker 1: we on now? Year four? I mean, pods is year

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Speaker 1: what two?

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Speaker 1: Just doesn't feel like it's gonna work. And with that,

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt joins us off al Wild Wild Weekend. Oh so,

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Speaker 1: you know it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna be the first or second player in

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Speaker 1: a draft, they always say, just go pro. Okay, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I remember Matt Lioner years ago came back

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Speaker 1: to college. He was a top ten pick, and people said,

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Speaker 1: if your top top ten, just just go pro. You

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Speaker 1: lose a great left tackle or a coach. I'm watching

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Speaker 1: Mendoza for Indiana play big strong, huge arm, great in crisis.

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Speaker 1: Hard for me to not look at him and go,

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, I feel the same about Dante Moore.

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Speaker 1: But Mendoza has such a big arm that when you

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Speaker 5: I mean, listen there. It wasn't perfect. He struggled at

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Speaker 5: and Penn State did a great job defensively. That was

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Speaker 5: it difficult on him, but Mendoza made some big throws

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Speaker 5: You know that first play of that last drive, by

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Speaker 1: Big throw after big throw after big throw.

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Speaker 5: And every one of them was leveraged properly and inaccurately

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Speaker 5: they've made some incredible catches. The Becker catch was wild Cooper.

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Speaker 5: But to your question, yes, Mendoza is a pro. There's

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Speaker 1: To me, it's about are you ready? Are you ready?

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Speaker 5: Because what you see in the NFL. And I've brought

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Speaker 5: all started over thirty games. Well, Mendoza started two years

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Speaker 5: highly experienced. I value that a lot more than even

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Speaker 5: just these these few games of tape that Ty Simpson

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Speaker 5: work from a start's perspective. Now, that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 5: Mendoza is definitely going to be better than Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 5: It means that those two decisions for Mendoza, whether he

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Speaker 1: By the way, Dante Moore ugly game in Iowa made

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Speaker 1: twelve team college football bracket right now, you'd have Oregon

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Speaker 1: against Notre Dame. How do you view Dante Moore? Now,

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Speaker 1: they were missing a lot of so like Simpson, Like Simpson,

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Speaker 5: Like if I'm Dante More, if I was advising Dante Moore, hey,

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Speaker 5: What he did against Iowa was fantastic and similar to Mendozo,

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Speaker 5: by the way, he did that without a lot of receivers.

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Speaker 5: I think you were about to say that before he

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Speaker 5: But that's a team that's getting better. Their defense is

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Speaker 1: So I think this is interesting. So when the USC's

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Speaker 1: the big take was, oh, it's cold, good luck. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've seen USC beat Nebraska, I've seen Oregon beat Ohio

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Speaker 1: UCLA and USC hammer Michigan. Do you think we can

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Speaker 1: all take a deep breath now? Is that the whole

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Speaker 1: West Coast team can't compete in the snow. When I

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Speaker 1: Oregon this weekend. I don't I always thought it was overstated.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you think that whole West Coast team

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Speaker 5: If you asked me like, hey, Miami, you know, like

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Speaker 5: that very well. You know, I don't think USC plays

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Speaker 5: And I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I would disagree with you in this.

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Speaker 5: I still believe that that this game at its core

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Speaker 5: is about matchups. And for instance, Illinois was a bad

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Speaker 1: That's what that was a big issue.

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Speaker 5: When they played Notre Dame even Michigan, even though they

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Speaker 5: run the football. Well, well, they're they're welcoming a team,

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Speaker 5: granted it's at home where they've played better. What do

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Speaker 1: You see? This is a bad matchup for USC. The

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Speaker 1: get chunk plays. They've got levels of defense. Tips and

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Speaker 1: That's how they turn the ball over, create short fields.

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Speaker 1: They're six and a half point dogs. I think Iowa

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Speaker 1: I was looking at the college football bracket. Texas and

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Speaker 5: Regular season, right, So they would have to play one

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Speaker 5: of those teams in the champ game or maybe even Texas.

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Speaker 5: If Texas was able to get into the championship. To

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Speaker 5: good that earned their way into that position. Okay, last year,

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Speaker 5: we watched this playoff and we thought, after we watched it,

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Speaker 5: maybe Indiana shouldn't have been in.

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Speaker 1: Oh No, I mean that was a terrible I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: We got that from the atrocious commentary during the game

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Speaker 5: hear that when Ohio State was drilling Tennis and that

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Speaker 5: I don't know exactly where you were going at. You

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Speaker 5: be in last year. I will tell you this though.

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Speaker 5: Schedules in general need to be rethought within conferences, So

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Speaker 5: I will agree with your point that you're trying to

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Speaker 5: Is Ryan Day not the highest percentage winning coach in

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Speaker 5: I mean Collins, Sharon Moore is just a staff member.

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Speaker 1: But history says, even in the NFL, to go get

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying yeah, I'm not saying Michigan is not

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Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting when Joel Klatt says,

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Speaker 1: there andzep I swear he's back. So that's my take.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think San Francisco wants to relinquish mac

433
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Speaker 1: Jones because brock pretty has been banged up. But last

434
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Speaker 1: year the Seahawks are like, yeah, we're not going to

435
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Speaker 1: draft the guy with our top pick. Let's get let's

436
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Speaker 1: get Sam Darnold worked out pretty well. Minnesota's like, we'll

437
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Speaker 1: let Sam Donald go. We're gonna take the guy we drafted.

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Speaker 1: How's that working at the Colts are like, no, he

439
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Speaker 1: tried drafting guy Anthony Richardson, We're gonna go get a

440
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Speaker 1: guy in the league. Daniel Jones. You watch the Colts,

441
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Speaker 1: So the Colts of the Seahawks are like, we'll take

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Speaker 1: guys in the league, Tampa Bay, We'll take Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: guy in the league that's working out, okay, draft Now,

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Speaker 1: Mendoza is an a prospect, big, smart, strong. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't watch that last drive against Penn State on

446
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Speaker 1: the road. Those are great big boy Sunday throws. But

447
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: as Joel Klatt says, if Dante Moore doesn't come out,

448
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: none of these guys, nuss Meyer Simpson, these guys aren't

449
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Speaker 1: ready to come into the NFL and start. No way.

450
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Speaker 1: I think Dante Moore could if he got the right coach.

451
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Speaker 1: He'd flourish if he didn't need struggle. Mendoza, I think

452
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Speaker 1: is good enough to overcome some nonsense even if he

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Speaker 1: joins a You know, New Orleans got a bit of

454
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Speaker 1: a mess. But if you're not paying attention to mac Jones,

455
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Speaker 1: mac Jones is having an unbelievable you know, I always

456
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Speaker 1: thought mac Jones was, after the New England experience, kind

457
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Speaker 1: of a bridge guy. No, now I think he's a

458
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Speaker 1: franchise guy. I mean when he had Josh McDaniel's pro bowler.

459
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Speaker 1: Now Shanahan good B B plus, guy can spin it.

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Speaker 1: Jmck with the news. No, no, no turns.

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Speaker 3: This is the headline news.

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Speaker 6: These are troubled times, Colin.

463
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Speaker 7: For Green Bay Packers fans, they are very very upset

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Speaker 7: with mister Matt Lafleur.

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Speaker 6: The fans are outraged.

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Speaker 7: Back to back bad home losses where you the offense

467
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Speaker 7: just look ghastly. The media asked Lafloor if he felt

468
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Speaker 7: like he is coaching for his job. Yes, his job

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Speaker 7: the rest of the season.

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Speaker 8: I'll leave that for everybody else to de side. I'll

471
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Speaker 8: just focus on the day to day and trying to

472
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Speaker 8: do I feel like you're always coaching for everything in

473
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Speaker 8: this league. You know, it's just my mindset. That's always

474
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Speaker 8: been that way. You know, you can't ever exhale. You

475
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Speaker 8: got to always be pushing. And that's just my mindset.

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Speaker 8: So and that will be my mindset until they tell

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Speaker 8: me not to coach anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he'd be unemployed long. I think

479
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Speaker 1: he'd get a job real quick if somebody wanted to

480
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Speaker 1: let him do. Listen, they had a bad free agent signing.

481
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Speaker 1: They overpaid banks from San Francisco. That's been a bad

482
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Speaker 1: free agent signing. The Mikey deal was a good deal.

483
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Speaker 1: They are broken offensively. The scripted stuff doesn't work. The

484
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Speaker 1: run game doesn't work. They do have I think the

485
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Speaker 1: craft injury and the read injury are punitive, like it's

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Speaker 1: noticeably it hurts. But I think all this talk of

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Speaker 1: firing Matt Lafleur, I say, who have I compared Matt

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Speaker 1: Lafluur to. They No, Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Lincoln Riley Right, Okay, I just.

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Speaker 1: Had this conversation over the weekend. Matt Laflour and Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 1: You know they're smart. You know they win games. You

492
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Speaker 1: know they're great play designers. You know they're on the

493
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Speaker 1: right side of the ball in football today. You know

494
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Speaker 1: they're great play callers. Although Lafloor gets banged on that.

495
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Speaker 1: And by the way, they have a history of elevating

496
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Speaker 1: mat Aaron Rodgers got better, McCarthy left, Lafleour came in,

497
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Speaker 1: Aaron won MVP, and Lafleur, by the way, Jordan Love

498
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Speaker 1: was very good. I think a lot of this is

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Speaker 1: simply Jordan Love. When you take away his best tight

500
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Speaker 1: end and arguably his best receiver, and they can't run

501
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Speaker 1: the ball. You're asking him to win games. I think

502
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Speaker 1: Mahomes can do that, and Lamar and Josh can do that.

503
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Speaker 1: I don't think Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love are that

504
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Speaker 1: kind of guy. Suddenly the Eagles can't run. Jalen Hurts

505
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Speaker 1: isn't as good. Suddenly the Packers can't run that. Jordan

506
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Speaker 1: Love doesn't look as good. The Chargers have no run game,

507
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Speaker 1: no offensive line, and they're in a three game winning streak.

508
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Speaker 1: Because that's what an elite quarterback does. I think Jordan

509
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Speaker 1: Love we've overvalued him. He's probably closer to B plus

510
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: than he is A. And that's okay. But the idea

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Speaker 1: that Matt Laflour can't coach, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So a couple things here.

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Speaker 7: Number one, the interior of the offensive line of the

514
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Speaker 7: Packers is garbage.

515
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Speaker 6: I mean, by the way, their center just.

516
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Speaker 7: Went on ir today and I was reading some stuff,

517
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 7: he may be done for the season. That is terrible news.

518
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 7: They could not block Jalen Carter up the middle. Love

519
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 7: was struggling. He can handle pressure off the edges because

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Speaker 7: their tackles are good but their interior three are grading

521
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Speaker 7: out horribly, including your guy Banks. So if you're looking

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Speaker 7: to bet this weekend, the Giants do not get pressure

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Speaker 7: up the middle. They come off the edges. Packers will

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Speaker 7: be fine. I do wonder this Lafleur fire him stuff.

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Speaker 7: We have a mutual friend who's in the Midwest and

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Speaker 7: he was talking. He's like laughing at this time, like

527
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Speaker 7: this is goofy Colin. Two years ago, when the Chargers

528
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Speaker 7: fired their guy Stay, there was an obvious candidate, Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 7: Last year there was an obvious candidate Vrabel. There's no

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Speaker 7: obvious candidate this year. And I'm sorry to burst your

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Speaker 7: Lane Kiffin bubble. People are not firing their head coach

532
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Speaker 7: to go get Lane Kiffin. There's no slam dunk coordinator

533
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Speaker 7: or college football guy that is like, we gotta fire

534
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Speaker 7: our guy and go get him. That's part of the

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Speaker 7: reason I haven't said, like, let's get rid of Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 7: I don't think there's an anyone great on the market.

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Speaker 7: McCarthy's good. We would agree, they're not.

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Speaker 6: They're not bringing McCarthy back.

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Speaker 1: To Green Bay, right, So who are you getting if

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00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: you fire lafloor Well, Penn States found this out. They

541
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Speaker 1: fired James Franklin. It's like because of a losing streak.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well atally different.

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Speaker 6: They kind of had to.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he lost the locker room, he lost the booster,

545
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Speaker 7: he lost everybody.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I just look around.

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Speaker 7: Tell me who's the number one candidate if you have

548
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 7: a coaching opening in the NFL, And if you say

549
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 7: Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 1: We like Ladey. Mike McCarthy is the number one candidate.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well he ain't going back to Green Bay.

552
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Speaker 1: That's that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 6: So then so what do we doing. Are we firing

554
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Speaker 6: him for Jesse Minter of the Chargers?

555
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: We're not doing that.

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Speaker 7: Who are you going to get a retread like Nagi

557
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 7: or Vance Joseph Well, just so.

558
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Speaker 1: If you brought it, if you brought in the defensive coach,

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Speaker 1: he'd get rid of Jeff Hafley, who's been a home

560
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Speaker 1: run defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 7: Higher So there's just no great offensive guys out there now.

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Speaker 7: You could say, if you want to get real creative,

563
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Speaker 7: you know, I know Alabama and Kaylin de Boor had

564
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Speaker 7: some issues at the beginning. You know, the Alabama fans

565
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Speaker 7: after like the lost FSU. They were done with him

566
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 7: like that quickly. Kaylen de Boor is freaking good. Are

567
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 7: you watching Alabama? Ye yea sequencing everything about this. Kaylen

568
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 7: de Boor can coach in the pros, No question.

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Speaker 6: That's a guy I would consider.

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Speaker 7: And obviously Marcus Freedan, Yeah, I don't think Freeman's on

571
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Speaker 7: the market. Ryan Day is maybe interesting, but if you

572
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 7: talk to Klatt, there's no way Ryan Day's leaving.

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Speaker 6: Like right, I don't know anyways, All right, let's move

574
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Speaker 6: on to the next story.

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Speaker 7: The Philadelphia Eagles Colin are seven and two Tyler Seahawks

576
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Speaker 7: and rams for best record in the NFC ahead of

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Speaker 7: their matchup with the Lions. Nick Sirianni, how about this stat?

578
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Speaker 7: I this is staggering, Nick Sirianni, walk around, guy. Nick

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Speaker 7: Sirianni is fourth all time among NFL head coaches with

580
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Speaker 7: a seven to fourteen win percentage. Yeah, this is a

581
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Speaker 7: staggering stat. Guy Chamberlain, whoever that is probably when you

582
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Speaker 7: were watching football back in the day. We all know

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Speaker 7: John Madden, Lombardi, George Allen, Nick Sirianni.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that list is a great example. Outside

585
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Speaker 1: of Lombardi, and Madden. Is George Allen a top five

586
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Speaker 1: coach and I remember him well. Is Guy Chamberlain. I

587
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: don't know who that is. Yeah, So a lot of

588
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: it's situational. I mean, when we look at the greatest

589
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Speaker 1: coaches of all time, where's Bill Walsh, Yeah, Where's Belichick

590
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid? Yeah. So that's why I was, you know,

591
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Speaker 1: these these all time lists, be careful. I think he's

592
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: shown to be. Uh, he's a really good fit in Philly.

593
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Speaker 1: But I don't think it'd he lost the job. He'd

594
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Speaker 1: have a lot of job offers out there. I think

595
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Speaker 1: people think he works in Philly with Howie and Jeffrey

596
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Lorie and Jalen Hurts and the roster. I don't think

597
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: he's bad. He's better than I thought he would be.

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00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: But I think it's a it's a it's a collaborative

599
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Speaker 1: effort in Philly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and uh, you know, it certainly helps to get

601
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 7: Jalen Hurts obviously, who's been a slam dunk. And then

602
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 7: you know, trading for aj Brown, who we're going to

603
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Speaker 7: talk about in the next hour Colin just as a tease,

604
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Speaker 7: that's what they call it here in the industry. Final

605
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 7: story is the Vikings, and listen, I have strong thoughts

606
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 7: about this JJ McCarthy stuff.

607
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Speaker 2: Colin.

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00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: We got to dig into it here.

609
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 7: So remember last year Vikings winning every game with Sam Darnold, Right,

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Speaker 7: But JJ McCarthy, the young guy they drafted and Kevin

611
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 7: O'Connell loves him. You know, McCarthy's ad four starts and

612
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 7: he's got a lot of injuries, and you say he's

613
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 7: injury prone and slight. I saw him running around against

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Speaker 7: the Ravens and I was getting nervous because he's not

615
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 7: a big dude.

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Speaker 6: How about this?

617
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Speaker 7: An NFL analyst says, the Vikings have a game flow problem,

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Speaker 7: saying JJ is great on the scripted stuff, right, first

619
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Speaker 7: drive of the game that you plan all week and

620
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 7: map it out, but falls off.

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Speaker 6: A cliff after the first two he does.

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Speaker 1: It's not running the atom.

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Speaker 6: We've talked about this, right. Here's my thing.

624
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Speaker 7: The man is the youngest starting quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: He's about to have his fifth NFL start. Does it

626
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 6: not seem weird that.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's going after JJ McCarthy And is it because of

628
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 7: donald was good last year? Because Colin, you would I've

629
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 7: talked about this for years The way to build an

630
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 7: NFL team is on the rookie quarterback contract Sam Donald

631
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Speaker 7: at forty million. Great, sure, but it ended badly last year.

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Speaker 7: I would rather have JJ McCarthy on the rookie contract

633
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Speaker 7: and round out the roster. So I don't understand why

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Speaker 7: there's so much hate for McCarthy and people keep going

635
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Speaker 7: after him.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think four starts. I don't think there's hate.

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Speaker 1: I think there's cynicism. This is not college football, it's

638
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: pro And I said on Monday, right wrong. I could

639
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: be totally wrong on this. I didn't get it in college.

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00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't get it now. I think the best argument

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00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: for JJ McCarthy is the argument for Sam Darnold. When

642
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Sam came out of USC, he was twenty one. Okay,

643
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: when you're that young, you need really, really good coaches

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Speaker 1: to start. The difference is JJ McCarthy is super young

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Speaker 1: and does have that. So I'm going to be less

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Speaker 1: patient with JJ McCarthy. He had a great college coach

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Speaker 1: and has a really good NFL coach. Sam Darnold went

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Speaker 1: from below average college coach to a disaster head coach,

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Speaker 1: So I think your young argument absolutely legitimate. But the

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Speaker 1: difference is Sam went from bad to bad. The Vikings

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Speaker 1: have been well run my entire life. You can go

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Speaker 1: back to the seventies. They've always been a good franchise.

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell's web of average and Harbaugh is a great coach.

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Speaker 1: So JJ's gotten great coaching. And I get this, So

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Speaker 1: I the the age thing is real, but he got

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, elite left tackle,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Addison a division without a great defense before Micah

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Speaker 1: got to Green Bay, like he should be better than this.

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Speaker 6: Sar Darris Alas had some injuries than left tackle.

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Speaker 1: But he's a really good left tackle.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's excellent. I guess I just want.

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Speaker 7: I know, patience isn't a thing that we have in

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Speaker 7: society right now, but can we Is he a sample

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Speaker 7: size of I don't know, a season or two. No,

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Speaker 7: I mean people are willing to write off Michael Pennix already. No, No,

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Speaker 7: he hasn't looked great.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I've said with JJ McCarthy, I want us to play

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Speaker 1: him every snap the rest of the year, every snap.

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Speaker 1: This is not a bench him. It's like play JJ.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. My initial belief is he looks like Michigan

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy that he's kind of being carried. He's not caring,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I want to see.

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Speaker 7: I'll say this. I'll just put it on record. I

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Speaker 7: was bullish on the Vikings in the off season. I'm

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Speaker 7: buying JJ McCarthy's stock pennies on the dollar.

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Speaker 6: Give it to me.

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Speaker 7: I believe this is a potential Pro Bowl quarterback in

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Speaker 7: a year or two, and maybe all Pro within five years.

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Speaker 7: I'm really a believer in JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I like your stand.

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Speaker 7: I like where you know you're keeping your heels in sometimes.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you're all in on Caleb. We're going Midwest

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Speaker 7: on the show now, I mean as well, but find.

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Speaker 6: Another Midwest quarterback. I'm not taking Jordan Love all right.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 3: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 1: Lie, No, I did that earlier. I said, it's very difficult.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to spend somebody else's money. But if you

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Speaker 1: were a general manager, you were And I put down

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Speaker 1: the eleven quarterbacks in the NFL twenty five and under,

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Speaker 1: and I said pick three that you would write a

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Speaker 1: check for, knowing when you write the check, like if

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Speaker 1: you wrote it for Caleb Williams. You can't keep DJ Moore,

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Speaker 1: Joe Tooney, you can't. Drake May doesn't have a lot

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Speaker 1: of stars around him. The best players you know, Will Campbell,

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Speaker 1: Travan Henderson, Kyle Williams. They're all rookies, so you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have to make big changes there. But when I put

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Speaker 1: that list up an hour ago and I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: you got to pay three of them, Drake May's the

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Speaker 1: easy one. Of the other ten remaining I would pay today.

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Speaker 1: I would extend C. J. Stroud and Caleb Williams, and

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Speaker 1: their passer ratings hover around ninety, which is kind of

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Speaker 1: like C level quarterback play and I but those are

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Speaker 1: the three I would do. That's why what everybody bails

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Speaker 1: on bow Nicks. I'm like, Bo's durable, he never misses,

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Speaker 1: starts college or pro. He's excellent in college and pro

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and he wins a bunch of games.

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Speaker 1: He won a bunch of Oregon, he wins a bunch

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Speaker 1: of Denver. I mean, durable win games good in the

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Speaker 1: fourth You guys, can all you start looking at all

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks twenty five and hundred eight of them are

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Speaker 1: hurt all the time. Just a thought.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 3: and noon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 7: Saturday, it's a huge Fox College Hoops doubleheader. First, at seven,

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Speaker 7: it's an early season top ten showdown as number seven

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Speaker 7: BYU takes on third ranked Yukon. Then at nine down

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Speaker 7: Staley leads her second ranked South Carolina squad against number

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Speaker 7: eight USC as they battle to be the real sc

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Speaker 7: It all tips off Saturday, only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: There are three great college basketball players this year that

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Speaker 1: could go number one in most years. BYU has one

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Speaker 1: of them. Duke, one of the Boozer kids, Carlos Boozer's son.

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Speaker 1: He's got twins, but one of them's a stud. And

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Speaker 1: then the Darren Peterson at Kansas. Kansas isn't very good.

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Speaker 1: That kid looks like Kobe. I mean that kid is

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Speaker 1: so good. He is magic. He can shoot. Kid at

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Speaker 1: BYU not I don't know if he's a great perimeter

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Speaker 1: player yet Peterson, this kid at Kansas, wow. I mean

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Speaker 1: that kid is lightning quick, pull up, makes tough shots.

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Speaker 1: I know a coach the coached against him. I've watched

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Speaker 1: him and he is something else like Darren Peterson at Kansas.

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Speaker 1: Just go watch him. That's what Kobe looked like at

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Speaker 1: nineteen years old. I would imagine. Wow. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting. The nil in college football has changed two things.

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Speaker 1: One of them is, you know, Obama doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of money. Texas Tech has a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Oregon has a lot of money. BYU by the way,

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Speaker 1: they got money they can go buy players. Alabama doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of money. Ohio State was great before,

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Speaker 1: they're great now. They have both. But it's interesting. Urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer was talking about this. You're seeing all these new

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Speaker 1: schools get considered for the college football playoffs. Just ask

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Speaker 1: yourself why are they there? Because they can buy good players.

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Speaker 1: So your history does matter. High school recruiting does matter.

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Speaker 1: But urban Meyer talked about it last week. Some of

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Speaker 1: these schools you would have never thought five years ago

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Speaker 1: they could be top ten teams.

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Speaker 4: I think this is interesting.

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Speaker 7: Colin.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about out with the old Clemson, LSU, Penn State, Florida,

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Speaker 4: Florida State Wolverines that're kind of out and then in

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Speaker 4: how about this IU Ole, miss BYU, Texas Tech, Utah Bandy,

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Speaker 4: Georgia Tech, all with a shot for the college playoff

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Speaker 4: parody and college football has never been like this.

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. The nil's done. Some of these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks like Leonoris Sellers, who I would have no problem

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Speaker 1: drafting if I was the Rams late first round and

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Speaker 1: not planned for two years. He may just stay in college.

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Speaker 1: He's like twenty. So some of these college quarterbacks. Mendoz's

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Speaker 1: got to come out. He's too good at Indiana. He's

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Speaker 1: too good. He's gonna be the first quarterback taken. Dante Moore,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, could come out, but Oregon's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of money and they may pay him four million

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Speaker 1: bucks to stay. So the nil's done two things. It

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Speaker 1: is given some off brand or what you would call

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Speaker 1: smaller brand college football programs that have rich boosters a

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Speaker 1: chance to compete and get into the playoff. That's the

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Speaker 1: first thing. The second thing it's done is some of

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Speaker 1: these college quarterbacks. And I think this is good for

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Speaker 1: the kid and good for the NFL and good for college.

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Speaker 1: It's keeping them in school longer. If Dante Moore stays

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Speaker 1: in school at Oregon, he'll be the number one pick

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Speaker 1: next year. So instead of going to it, you know,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, he'll get in their fifteen starts,

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Speaker 1: but Mendoza's got to come out. But I've watched all

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Speaker 1: these college quarterbacks. The only three to me are first

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Speaker 1: rounders Mendoza, Dante More and the kid at South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: who I don't think is close to ready to start.

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Speaker 1: But if you're the Rams, you know, you get your

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, you get this kid, you send him for

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Speaker 1: two years. He gets very interesting. But we went into

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Speaker 1: the year thinking they were like eight guys a draft.

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Speaker 1: I think there are two guys I draft early in

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Speaker 1: the first one late. Everybody else feels second, third round.

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Speaker 1: Our three neckt