1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: I am Rashaan McDonald, the host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass, 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: where we encourage people to stop reading other people's success 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: stories and. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Start planning their own. Listen up as I interview entrepreneurs. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: From around the country, talk to celebrities and ask them 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: how they are running their companies, and speak with dog 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: profits who are making a difference in their local communities. Now, 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: sit back and listen as we unlock the secrets to 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: their success. 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: On Money Making Conversations Masterclass. 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald's host the weekly Money Making Conversation 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: Masterclass show. The interviews and information that this show provides 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: off for everyone. It's time to stop reading other people's 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: success stories and start living your own. 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: Now. 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: If you want to be a guest on my show, 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: Money Making Conversation Master Class, please visit our website, Moneymakingconversations 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: dot com and click to be a guest. But if 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: you're an entrepreneur, nonprofit, have a product, motivational speaker, and influencer, 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: I want you on my shelf. 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: Now let's get started. 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: My next guest Rose from inconstration to receiving the President's 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: Lifetime Achieving Award She built her company in the cleaning 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: industry and also provides architectural and construction camps inspire the 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: next generational architects and builders through design experiences. Let's hear 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: our story and the inspiration that changed her life. Please 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: walk with the Money Making Conversation Masterclass. Robin Donaldson. How 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: you doing, Robin? 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: I am amazing, I am amazing. 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: Well, Robin, I've talked to you offline and you got 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: a lot of energy. So I gonna get that same 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: energy today because you went I'm amazing. I was kind 34 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: of low key effecting that. There you go, now, Robert, 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: where you based at? 36 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: I'm in Tampa, Florida, born and raised. Down in Tampa, Florida, 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: born and raised. 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: Tell me about your life growing up That nothing a 39 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: consolation for it, just a part when you grew up. 40 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Any potential college in your life. Talk about your life 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: as a teenager. 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: Well, my life as a teenager was really sheltered. So 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: I grew up in a very strict religious household and 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: education was not something that was even really spoke of, right, 45 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: And so for me, I went to a trade school 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: where I learned industrial electricity. And so that is really 47 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 3: where the love of construction came from as a result 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: of me graduating. I did have an opportunity to attend 49 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: Georgia Tech because I was the first female to complete 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: that program. However, again my mom, she was very religious, 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: and they did not believe in going off to college. 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: She felt that, you know, a trade was sufficient and 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: that I needed to get to work. 54 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: So trade versus going to Georgia Tech. 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: I didn't go off to college. I just got a 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: job locally with the Electrical Fund and that's where I learned, 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: you know, more hands on about industrial electricity. After a 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: couple of jobs, I decided I didn't like being out 59 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: in the sun, thank you and so, and actually I 60 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 3: had at a temple right right, and I'm talking about 61 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: being in it in small quarters. It was that was 62 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: not what I wanted to do for a long term, right, 63 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: So I changed my focus to being a hairstylist. And 64 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: so I had got my license for cosmetology and for barbering, 65 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: and for a while I was doing hair and that 66 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: was until I got connected with my kid's father. Actually 67 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons how I landed up in jail. 68 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: Now, you coming to this relationship, when did your values 69 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: changed the land to you being incarcerated. 70 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: Was it easy money? 71 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: Was it the thought process that hey, I was just 72 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: gonna do it for a little. 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: Bit and get out talk to his Robin. 74 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 3: Well, in order for you to understand, I'm and have 75 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: to back it up, let's back it off, do so 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: because I was in such a restrictive household, right, Okay, 77 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: the moment I graduated, I had my certificate in one 78 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: hand and I had my luggage in the next. I 79 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: had to give him away. And so from that I 80 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: ran to the arms of an older guy and he 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: happened to be a drug dealer, and things just really 82 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: spiraled out. I mean from me selling drugs from hell 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 3: to using drugs to make an stupid decisions in the 84 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: way of using my account to harbor money to write checks. 85 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: So I was just really running from one situation to 86 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: the other, and being with that my kid's father, I 87 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: was involved with a lot of illegal activity that's finally 88 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: caught up to me and as a result, I did 89 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: go to prison. 90 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Now, how many children did you have at the 91 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: time when you went to prison. 92 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: I had two kids and I was pregnant with one. 93 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: Now, when you say the word drug dealer, that's such 94 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: a broad word. 95 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: You know. 96 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: You could say that people who are these pharmaceutical companies 97 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: are drug dealers the way because they got to pay 98 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: out these money. 99 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: But you are more along the lines of the street. 100 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: What type of drugs were you guys selling crack cocaine? 101 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: And you are a user? 102 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: Yes? 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: I was. 104 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: At one point, did you not say to yourself, very smart, 105 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: young lady, this is not good. 106 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: I was a that smart thing. It was BookSmart, but 107 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: street smart. I had no idea. I was looking for love. 108 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: I was looking for a father figure, and that is 109 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: what I received. 110 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: And so you are. I'm pretty sure you're a mentor. 111 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: How do you feel when you communicating your story to 112 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: young ladies who you don't want to see go down 113 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: the same path you and Don Robin? 114 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: How do you connect with. 115 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: Them by keeping it real? At one time, I was shamed. 116 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: I was shamed to tell my story and then also 117 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: to talk about all of the mental variable abuse that 118 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: I had to undergo just the just in the name 119 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: of love, Like I really did some crazy things like 120 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 3: from the abuse. I thought that was his way of 121 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 3: showing me that he loved me, to the point that 122 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: I would instigate an argument so he can whoop my behind. 123 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: Now that ain't that stupid? 124 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: No, Now, when you got incarcerated, you say you were 125 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: pregnant at two children. 126 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: Okay, so before I got incarcerated, Before because I had 127 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: to turn myself in, I was eccluding the authorities until 128 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: I had my daughter because I did not want to 129 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: have my daughter in the penitentiary. So after I gave 130 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: birth and I was cleared, I turned myself in. 131 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: Now you have your child, you turned yourself in. How 132 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: many years were you incarcerated? Five five years? Which that through? 133 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: Did you get out early through probation or you did 134 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: the entire sentence. 135 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: I did the entire sentence. 136 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: Now I have to asked the question, did you learn 137 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: anything while you were in prison? 138 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: That's what it all changed. 139 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: Talk to me. 140 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: I had time to think, I had time to explore. 141 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: I had an opportunity to advance my education. 142 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Well a while in prison. 143 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: While in prison. 144 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: When you say advance your education, tell us about what 145 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: level of education you advanced too. 146 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: Associate degrees. So for me, president was very hard, and 147 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in concern and I 148 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: made the best use of confinement. I'm confined for twenty 149 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: three hours, I go out for a hour. My time 150 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: my days was meditating and learning. Then I had guards. 151 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: We became very very close, and a couple of them 152 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: they were attending their local community college, and I would 153 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: assist them with their books. In return, I'm able to 154 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: read their books, you know. So if I'm going to 155 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: help tutor you on business law, well guess what I 156 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: know business law. 157 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: Now I'm talking to Robin Donaldson. 158 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: She went from incarceration to be honored by the President 159 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: with a Lifetime Achievement award, and all she does camps, 160 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: mentoring camps for use in architecture and instruction design in 161 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: the area of Tampa, Florida. She not only turned her 162 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: life around, but now she's turning other young people's lives around. 163 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: And she's really tell her story. 164 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: That's why she's on Money Making Conversation Master Last Day 165 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: to tell her story. She's not trying to hide her situation. 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: She's trying to convey from authentic matter that you don't 167 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: want to live the life that she lived. But if 168 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 2: you live this life, you can't turn your life around. 169 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: And that's the story I want to tell on the shoulderday, Robin, 170 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 2: you turning your life around. Now when you got out 171 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: of prison, you learned a lot while you were in prison. 172 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: Robin was there steps as you were seeing you, they 173 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: come up prepared for the exit. 174 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: Well, at the time, I didn't really have an exit plan. 175 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: And the exit plan came when I learned how to 176 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 3: strip in buff floors in prison at the highest level, 177 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: I mean the floor's glass, right, So what I did 178 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: I took that knowledge. 179 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: Did they ask you to do that or you just 180 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: stepped it up? 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: Okay? So you want to get back to that story, okay, because. 182 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Why are you doing it at this level? But I 183 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: know you could have just done it at this level. 184 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: Okay, So you want to know the story story because 185 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: I again I frequent confined it a lot, right, And 186 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: it was one incident where I was allowed to be 187 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: released to the compound and the Wharton had stopped me, 188 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: he said, MS Doc and McDonald's. And you have a 189 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: problem with, you know, instigating things on the compound, He said, 190 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: I got I got a solution for you. While everybody's sweep, 191 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to put you on third shift. You go 192 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: stripping wax the administrator build it right, all right? So 193 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: again that is where I learned how to strip wax 194 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 3: and buff floors like no other. 195 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: On the third shift. 196 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: On the third shift when everybody was sleep, when the 197 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: cor pound was open, then hours sleep. 198 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: So he saw your true gift was to stop you 199 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: from having personal contact and put you to work when 200 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: everybody else was sleep and when everybody would up, you 201 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: were asleep. Yes, sir, Now, as you came out, because 202 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: I mentioned in your intro you have you have a 203 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: cleaning bit. But when you come out, we know that's 204 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: not an easy accent. You know you have three children 205 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: out there. Way to know you what was the man 206 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: of your life at that point? Was he still in 207 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: your life? 208 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: He was doing time as well? 209 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? 210 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: So you came out by yourself basically, how did you 211 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: start getting those feet and putting those feet down on 212 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: that concrete and start walking forward like you know you 213 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 2: belong there? 214 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Talk to me, Robin. 215 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 3: So what happened was I was able to get on 216 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: work release. It was six months prior to my release state. 217 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 3: They allowed me to go to a work release program 218 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 3: where I would be local, not in prison. It's a 219 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: halfway house. 220 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: It's transitioning there. 221 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: You go a transitioning house and one of the requirements 222 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: is you had to have a job. And so right 223 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: up the street there was a homewood Suites by Hilton, 224 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: right and I applied, and that's where I learned how 225 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: to clean at the highest level. Hilton is by far 226 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: one of the cleanest chains that I know. And again, 227 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 3: learning how to clean at the highest level, plus knowing 228 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: how to strip wax and buff at the highest level, 229 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: it only made sense for me to be a cleaning service. 230 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: Reason I liked listening to you because that's to say, 231 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: that's a smile on your face, because that means you 232 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: good at it. You know, it's always great to be 233 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: good at something. You know, I'm gonna take the word out. 234 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: I'm not saying good. 235 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: She's smiling because she's great at it. 236 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 2: Because she uses the word highest level, she's never used 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: to work, I'm undermining her talents. 238 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: And I apologize. She keuld use the word. 239 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: I learned at the highest level. I buff at the 240 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: highest level. So those skills you recognize were different from 241 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: everybody else because you put in more effort. Are you 242 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: just naturally talented at it? 243 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: Well, see, it's part of a bigger plan. When I 244 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: came home, I said, I opened the cleaning service but 245 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: the ultimate goal was to be into the construction industry. 246 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: That has been the overarching goal. And what better way 247 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: to get into the construction industry is by cleaning the 248 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: construction trailers. I mean, because that's where all the decision 249 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: makers are, that's where all action happens. And so I 250 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: started cleaning trailers. Then I developed relationships, and then they 251 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: had me doing final clean, post construction clean. Now they 252 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: haven't me cleaning their whole extablishment. 253 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 4: Please don't go anywhere, We'll be right back with more 254 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 4: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making 255 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: Conversations Masterclass hosted by Rashan McDonald. 256 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: And from that, that is how I was able to 257 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: secure the contract for the Temple Convention Center. 258 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: Congratulations. 259 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: I had three shifts, three ships with sixty five employees, 260 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: and then from that I was selected by the NFL 261 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: as the premium cleaning company for the Super Bowl in Temple, Florida. 262 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: They liked the job that I did so well they 263 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: called me back for the NFL kickoff. From that, I 264 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: was on the news Channel thirteen. I get a phone call. 265 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: Somebody said, I'm calling from Home Depot. I want to 266 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: make you a distributor. I said them, I'm getting pranked 267 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: something right now, Like, how did you get my number? 268 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: He said, I saw you on the news and we 269 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: wanted to follow the money trail. And as a result 270 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: of that, I'm a distributor from home depot. So now 271 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: all of the clients that I cleaned for now I 272 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: supplied them with their supplies and their paper products. And 273 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: then I took it a step further because I am 274 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: a minority, and so I had contracts with the City 275 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: of Tampa, Mafit Cancer Center, and USF providing them with supplies. 276 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: Now, Robin, first of all, you've been incarcerated five years, 277 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: how do you get past that? Because I'm sure there's 278 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: a trust factor that people a stereotype. You're black, owner drugs, 279 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: incarcerated five years. How do you start getting past those 280 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: negative points that stopped a lot of people. 281 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: I start with it, like I don't I don't tiptoe 282 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: around it. I mean, that is not a selling point, 283 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: but it's nothing that I'm ashamed of either. Right, So, 284 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: for for a long time, I would never use my 285 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: government name because I didn't want anyone doing any type 286 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: of research that I don't care. This is who I 287 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: am right. And it was one superintendent who told me something. 288 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: He says, Robin, that's what you were, not who you are. 289 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: And he said, there is nobody walking, even breathing, that 290 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: does not have a family member or have been affected 291 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: by such. But you are a sterling example of what 292 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: you could, what you were, what you could be. And 293 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: I took it for what it was. And so again 294 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: I have no problem introducing myself as inmate four seven, five, 295 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: nine to eleven, because that's not who I am today. 296 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: And if you want to stick to what I was 297 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: when maybe we're not, we don't need to work together. 298 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: And that's just how it is. 299 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: Because I'm a novice here. When I start, I know 300 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: nothing about the cleaning industry. How do you get recognized 301 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: or how do you bid on jobs as a cleaning 302 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: company and get it well? 303 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: As of today, I no longer have to bid, But 304 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: I'll answer that question for it. 305 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: Was something else. 306 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: You know, you know that that was a moment that 307 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: right you say, you're talking to Rawber, I don't bid. 308 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: They come to me when you were in your beating days, roping. 309 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's go bedding day, Let's go back, Let's 310 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: go back let's go back in. 311 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: Your beating days. How are you securing jobs? 312 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: And as an rn P, they call a request for 313 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: proposed Right, what does that? 314 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: What does that look like? What did you have to submit? 315 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: So I start before the RFP ever comes out, So, 316 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: to be very frank, it's like playing chess instead of 317 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: playing checkers. When an RP hits the streets, right, you 318 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: have to maybe a month to respond, depending on the 319 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: scope of work. I don't I don't want to. I 320 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 3: don't wait for those opportunities. I know first of all, 321 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 3: I have a goal. I have a plan as to 322 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: who I would like to work with and the type 323 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 3: of work that I want to do. So I study 324 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 3: those individuals. I understand what the forecast looks like for them, 325 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: and I'm going to go ahead and develop the relationships. 326 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: So when opportunities do arise, my name Renewed Construction Services 327 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: is the first one on your tongue. You're going to 328 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: notify me. And then also I attend events in understanding 329 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: again the forecast of a found uh projects and again 330 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 3: cultivating those relationships. And that's how I am able to 331 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: secure most of the contracts. But I think that something 332 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: else that I learned in prison. And it's the art 333 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 3: of collaboration because one thing I do, I do not 334 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: play small. However, I understand my limitations and my strengths. 335 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 3: So one thing that I have done is other smaller 336 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: construction companies that are looking to scale, I will respond 337 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: to a large RFP that would require me collaborating with 338 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: smaller pets, right, and so now they have an opportunity 339 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: to put on their resume that they have done or 340 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 3: as a part of a project of such magnitude. And 341 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: that's the classic example of what I did. Just past 342 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: two months ago, we had the opportunity for to clean 343 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: Yankee Stadium, the Styry Brenner Stadium here locally in Tampa, 344 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 3: and I was yes, and that was a large contract 345 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 3: and I was able to bring three other smaller contractors 346 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 3: and collaborating together. Now they didn't have all of their insurances, 347 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 3: which was okay because I brought them up undermind wing. 348 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 3: And so now when we're looking for larger opportunities, this 349 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: is a collaboration effort. 350 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: Cool. 351 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: Now being at your you've been blessed, how do you 352 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: share those blessings with the young people in the community. 353 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: Deal every time I can, I can get the ear 354 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: of a youth. I impart something from Nugget. However, either 355 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: the focus or the majority of the impact would be 356 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: through the nonprofit which is called STEM Exposure. You know. 357 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 3: STEM Exposure is a non a nonprofit whose mission is 358 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: to expose black girls to unrepresent in its STEM careers 359 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: as it relates to architecture, construction, beauty sports. I could 360 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: honestly say that after I did start my business, I 361 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 3: had a mentor and my mentor, her name is Ann 362 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: mcmill down in South Florida. She's an amazing individual. She 363 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: took me around the country and exposed me to different 364 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: fastest though construction until I found my calling. And that 365 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: is the same thing that I do to others. Basically, 366 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 3: I encourage people to bring their talents to the construction industry. Right, so, 367 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: whatever it is you're good at it, let's see how 368 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: it applies to the construction industry. And then from that, 369 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: I also teach the construction trades. So it's all about 370 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 3: whether you are a third through twelfth grader or you 371 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: are an adult. I'm going to inspire you one way 372 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: or the other. 373 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: You rose from a conservation to getting the President's Lifetime 374 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: Achievement award. Now, it wasn't about getting the contract for 375 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 2: an NFL, the Tampa or the Tampa Convention Center, all 376 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: your legacies that you created. It's about those kids that 377 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: you're changing, those girls who you were inspiring to pursue 378 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: stam opportunities. That's what makes you special. When you got 379 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: the President's Award, did you understand that? 380 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: I don't think you understand that, Lusha the same to 381 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: see that locked me up was the same agency that 382 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: gave me a Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award, And I'm a 383 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: posed on that one. 384 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: No Poles keep speaking because there was pain and fear 385 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: there was tied to that agency. Now there was celebration 386 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: and hope there was tied to that same agency. That's 387 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: why I don't have to pause because I know or 388 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: you go out the front door, sometimes going out that 389 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: back door, it's the same house, pbsolutely. That's why I 390 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: wanted to interview you because see, we all got these 391 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 2: stories out here. 392 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: Because your story is daring. Their movie. 393 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm just let you know that darn that movie now, 394 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: cause you're because you were combative in jail and you 395 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: know you didn't get along with nobody. They had to 396 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: put you in confinement all the time. That means that 397 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 2: you didn't talk to nobody, couldn't nobody tell you nothing. 398 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: You were just robbing, hard headed dogs, that's who you were. 399 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: But somebody saw something in you put you on that 400 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: third shift and the rest is history. 401 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: Rest is history. 402 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: So what's the future for Robin? 403 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: Well, remember I told you in the beginning, the whole 404 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 3: the over archering goal was to be a contractor, and 405 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: you know, start my construction company. And I am glad 406 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: to say that twenty nineteen is when actually we started 407 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 3: the construction company. And I always knew what it was 408 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: going to be, so I named it as such, Renewed 409 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 3: Construction Services. We are licensed roofers, we are licensed contractors 410 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: and architectural desires. 411 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: Now I can pause. Now I'm pausing, not because you 412 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: know you got that little smirk. 413 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna tell you if I wish I was live, 414 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: it's the only inview I would done about life. I 415 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 2: wish our lives like yeo, I five hug. And because 416 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: you're just so calm about it, because but you know 417 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: the hard work being put in place, When would you celebrate, 418 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: Robin or you've not at the finish line. 419 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 3: Yet, Well, I celebrate all the time. I celebrate my 420 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: little wins. But I'm gonna tell you which one it 421 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: had the most impact. Okay, when I was able to 422 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 3: put my bills on auto pay, Yes, let me know 423 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: that I was doing. 424 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: Something which is very smart, by the way. 425 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: And you know it's a piece of piece. He's like, 426 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 3: I don't have to even think about my bills like 427 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 3: that gives me space to think about other creative things 428 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: that I need to do. But that was again something 429 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: that I struggled with, you know, Robin Paul to pay Peter, 430 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: not knowing how I was going to but to now 431 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: know that I can financially sustain myself not have to worry. 432 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: Hey, Robert, you have a foundation. Can we tell everybody 433 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: how they can find your foundation? 434 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: Stem Exposure ww dot, stem S t E m x 435 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: p O s U r E dot org. I have 436 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: wanted to mention that there's two opportunities if you are 437 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: one local. We are hosting an amazing timely summer camp, 438 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: the Science of Survival. Because we live here in the 439 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay area and we were impacted by three hurricanes 440 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: back to back. We're hosting our architectural camp where we're 441 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: going to introduce architecture, AI, engineering and construction. And then 442 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 3: also we're going to have a global camp. I didn't 443 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: make mention of the Global camp, but our global camp 444 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: where we were in ten countries in four different time zones. 445 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: And so we're going to host a camp the last 446 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: week in July for the Global Architectural Camp. So anyone 447 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: who wants to participate again is virtual and it will 448 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: be an amazing opportunity because we will have different students 449 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: from different parts of the country, different parts of the 450 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: world collaborating together. And again you can find more information 451 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: on our. 452 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: Website stem exposure dot com. 453 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: Yes, drop the E in exposure. 454 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Cool. Now, what about your business? 455 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: If you wus just want to go down there and 456 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: see this great business and learn more about you, Robert Donaldson, 457 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: tell us your website that. 458 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: Would be ww dot renew Construction Services dot com. 459 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: Would it be renewed r E W R U R 460 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: E N E W. There you go, my friend. I 461 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 2: know you were recommended to come on my shall. I've 462 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: never had a guest like you on Mishelle, which is 463 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: always a new experience for me, which is good for 464 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: me because there's so many paths in life that people 465 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: deal with to be successful or to achieve happiness. I'm 466 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: seeing both happiness and success, and more importantly, to be 467 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 2: recognized by the President of the United States for a 468 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: lifetime achievement of war, for the work that you're doing 469 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: in the community and how you turned your life around 470 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: and became becoming an AX paying hiring individual. Just recognized 471 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 2: from the n to the Center of Tampa. Congratulations, Robin, 472 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. This has been another edition of 473 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: Money Making Conversation Masterclass posted by me Rushaun McDonald. Thank 474 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: you to our guests on the show today and thank 475 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: you for listening to audience now. If you want to 476 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: listen to any episode I want to be a guest 477 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: on the show, visit Moneymaking Conversations dot com. Our social 478 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: media handle is money Making Conversation. Join us next week 479 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: and remember to always leave with your gifts. 480 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Keep winning.