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Speaker 2: E. Please, oh hey boo, how are you today? It's
Speaker 2: me ros dress Falas the bargain beIN Beauty, but also
Speaker 2: your paranormal hostess. I'm ghosted the show you're already listening to.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I want to talk today about hometown urban legends of
Speaker 2: the paranormal variety. Now, if you have one to share,
Speaker 2: you already know what to do. Just leave me five
Speaker 2: stars on Apple Podcasts, and then right in the review
Speaker 2: your hometown urban legend or ghost story, and I want
Speaker 2: to read it on the air if it's a real
Speaker 2: show stopper. But if you don't have one, you can
Speaker 2: also give me five stars. I love asking people to
Speaker 2: tell me urban legends because I think every town in
Speaker 2: the world has them. It's usually something like, oh, there's
Speaker 2: this street where if you put your car in neutral,
Speaker 2: the little children of the Fire from nineteen.
Speaker 1: Sixty two will push the car up there.
Speaker 2: It's usually something like that, or you know, if you're
Speaker 2: living in Mexico. I love hearing those because I know
Speaker 2: that there's some freaky shit that goes out and down there.
Speaker 2: I have a relative that told me that there's, uh,
Speaker 2: when he was a kid, that there's this this village
Speaker 2: legend of a gorgeous woman in a cloak that people
Speaker 2: would see walking around and then if you got close
Speaker 2: enough to.
Speaker 1: Her, she actually has the face of a pig.
Speaker 2: Winkink. Well, I'm gonna share a story about my hometown.
Speaker 2: I'm from Grand Rapids, Michigan. You know, like most Mexican people,
Speaker 2: we're the only pig faced lady I saw as a
Speaker 2: kid was me growing up. I knew the urban legend
Speaker 2: of the Aida Witch. There's this, uh, this little suburb
Speaker 2: outside of Grand Rapets called Aida and there's this super
Speaker 2: dark wooded area on the outskirts of the town that
Speaker 2: there's a very it's a very small street. Uh. It's
Speaker 2: really spooky. It's like, you know, you go at nighttime
Speaker 2: and it's like this country road and the trees feel
Speaker 2: like they're kind of caving in on your car, like
Speaker 2: from above, and you can't really see anything in front
Speaker 2: of you. It's definitely when you turn on your your
Speaker 2: what do you, I don't know cars, you know, when
Speaker 2: you turn on the lights and it's like extra b
Speaker 2: your extra your super brightes? Is that what it's called
Speaker 2: super rights? I don't know anything about, you know, because
Speaker 2: it's dark and spooky. And then there's this cemetery that's
Speaker 2: out there called Finley Cemetery, and that's where it's reported
Speaker 2: that there's this woman in white that people see walking
Speaker 2: down the road. And I've actually I've heard a few
Speaker 2: stories of her getting inside of the car and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're like, so where are you
Speaker 2: going tonight? And then she's gone. So it's a really
Speaker 2: popular place to go when you're like a high schooler.
Speaker 2: I used to go all the time. But here's the
Speaker 2: urban legend. Who is the Ada Witch? Okay, here's the story.
Speaker 2: A married woman was having an affair. Now, according to lore,
Speaker 2: her husband suspected the infidelity, so one day he decided
Speaker 2: to follow her into the woods inside Seedman Park. What
Speaker 2: the hell did you think was happening in a place
Speaker 2: called Seedman Park? He caught her in a little tryst
Speaker 2: with her lover, became angry, confronted them, and killed her
Speaker 2: straight off. The two men were fighting, they ended up
Speaker 2: causing enough injuries between the both of them that legend
Speaker 2: states they both died as well. So this area is
Speaker 2: pretty residential. There used to be hunting grounds there before.
Speaker 2: There was a bunch of houses, and hunters reported hearing
Speaker 2: people fighting in the woods and taps on their shoulder.
Speaker 2: Now here's an article I found from the local news
Speaker 2: channel wzz M thirteen. Ada resident Julie Wiley experienced a sighting.
Speaker 2: I was driving home from work heading down Bailey Street,
Speaker 2: said Wiley. I was coming up the crest of the
Speaker 2: hill and all of a sudden, I see a woman
Speaker 2: sitting in the middle of the street. She had a long,
Speaker 2: flowing blue dress on. She was sitting there waving her arms,
Speaker 2: and the words coming out of her mouth to me
Speaker 2: looked like she was asking help me, help me. Why
Speaker 2: she was asking it, though, help me, help me. Now
Speaker 2: it's been said for years and years that all three
Speaker 2: of those people, the woman, her side guy, and her husband,
Speaker 2: were all buried in the cemetery, and that the witch's
Speaker 2: tombstone was actually still standing. The Ada witch herself. Now,
Speaker 2: it was said that her name was Sarah McMillan. And
Speaker 2: I remember for years going out there as a kid
Speaker 2: and in high school, and we'd all try to find
Speaker 2: where's the aid of Witch's gravestone. It's Sarah McMillan. It's
Speaker 2: a really popular place where, like, at least when I
Speaker 2: was in high school, underage drinking would happen and then
Speaker 2: all the kids would go down there, and then there'd
Speaker 2: always be this one girl that would be like, you, guys,
Speaker 2: something just touched me. It really touched me. And then
Speaker 2: we'd all run and then there'd be Mike's Hard lemonade
Speaker 2: and Natty Ice cans everywhere. So it turns out that
Speaker 2: that woman, Sarah McMillan, she wasn't even the ad of
Speaker 2: witch at all. There was a woman named Nicole Bray
Speaker 2: who's a co author of a book called Ghosts of
Speaker 2: Grand Rapids. She really did some deep diving and digging,
Speaker 2: and she found out that that was actually a mother
Speaker 2: of two died of typhoid fever, and people for some
Speaker 2: reason just saw her tombstone because it looked old. It
Speaker 2: was from eighteen seventy and they said, oh, that must
Speaker 2: be the aid of witch, which I would be pissed
Speaker 2: if I died of typhoid fever. And then people told
Speaker 2: everyone that I was a witch for all eternity. So
Speaker 2: I want to squash that rumor. It is not Sarah McMillan.
Speaker 2: We don't know who the aid of Witch is. Honestly,
Speaker 2: who knows if she even was a witch. Who knows
Speaker 2: if that story even happened. It doesn't even sound like
Speaker 2: there was that story. I mean, a lot of research
Speaker 2: has been done, so it might just be an urban legend.
Speaker 2: But I do know from going out there lots of
Speaker 2: people taking photos and catching weird mist like things.
Speaker 1: Ps.
Speaker 2: This was when I was in high school, so no
Speaker 2: one was vaping at the time, and they caught all
Speaker 2: this mist on the cameras, and you know, people say
Speaker 2: that this woman appears, so who is she? Who knows?
Speaker 2: It is a cemetery, so I can see where there
Speaker 2: could be some spirits lurking around. One more thing I
Speaker 2: will say about Nicole Bray, the author of Ghosts of
Speaker 2: Grand Rappets.
Speaker 1: It was really sweet of her.
Speaker 2: She put out some feelers to get a new headstone
Speaker 2: for Sarah, the woman that we thought was the ad
Speaker 2: of Witch, because people kept knocking it down and taking
Speaker 2: pieces of the tombstone and selling it on eBay. Oh
Speaker 2: you could buy a piece of the aid of Witch's gravestone.
Speaker 2: So now she has a brand new one and I'm
Speaker 2: sure it's gorgeous. So if you're ever at Finley Cemetery,
Speaker 2: go pay your respects to this poor woman. Sarah McMillan.
Speaker 2: That is not the Ada Witch. So yeah, that's one
Speaker 2: of my urban legends from my hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Speaker 1: Tell me yours.
Speaker 2: And on with the show, you guys, I am here
Speaker 2: with Kyle Heirs of the Never Seen It Podcast. So
Speaker 2: your podcast, it is where you have comedians that have
Speaker 2: never seen a movie. They write their own script.
Speaker 3: For write a script of what they think it is
Speaker 3: or what they wish it was, but they've never seen it.
Speaker 2: I'm the perfect candidate for the show because I've never
Speaker 2: seen anything. Are you the kind of person that watches?
Speaker 3: I miss almost everything. I had. The thing that kind
Speaker 3: of prompted it was I have a huge blind spot
Speaker 3: from growing up and we just never went to the
Speaker 3: movies or had cable. We'd have like some we never
Speaker 3: had movie stuff. And for what reason, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Just I grew up in Missouri and they just kind
Speaker 3: of wasn't. I think neither of my parents had it
Speaker 3: growing up, and so I just I have a brother
Speaker 3: who is ten years younger than I am, I'm thirty,
Speaker 3: he's about to be twenty, and I just saw a
Speaker 3: picture of him as a baby. So in two thousand
Speaker 3: and we had a thirteen inch console TV, like a
Speaker 3: wooden sided, like it looks like the TV they would
Speaker 3: have in a Christmas story or something like that. Old right,
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, well, this is why I didn't
Speaker 3: see anything. Is our TV was from nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 3: In two thousand, I think my parents just got a
Speaker 3: high definition TV this calendar year.
Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations to them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big year for them.
Speaker 2: Well those are so much easier to steal than those
Speaker 2: old ones.
Speaker 3: Old ones are. It was furniture first and television second, exactly.
Speaker 3: That's really what I think what they sold you was
Speaker 3: it all. It seems like like Don Draper tricked my
Speaker 3: parents into buying this TV or something.
Speaker 2: I literally don't watch anything, which is like what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: never seen it in the story of my life. And
Speaker 2: I live here in Hollywood where everybody sees everything.
Speaker 3: It feels like people see so many movies here.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: They'll go see movie, They'll go make a point of
Speaker 3: seeing a movie opening night. I had never heard of.
Speaker 2: I just Yeah, I watch really bad comedies, documentaries and
Speaker 2: horror movies and that's it. I've never seen a single
Speaker 2: Harry Potter movie. Yeah, I've never seen Star Wars. I've
Speaker 2: never seen a superhero. I've seen the Superhero movie with
Speaker 2: Michelle Pfeiffer, the Batman one, but I've never seen anything
Speaker 2: like superhero.
Speaker 3: Movies are almost just what movies are now. It's either
Speaker 3: that's almost like a like a document and it would
Speaker 3: be a genre of movie. Superhero is almost that prevalent.
Speaker 3: It's most of them.
Speaker 2: That's what that that whole thing missed me because when
Speaker 2: I was a child growing up in the nineties, all
Speaker 2: the other little boys loved Pokemon, superheroes, Harry Potter and
Speaker 2: basically that, and I would be on the playground and
Speaker 2: just like this is so like, I just want to
Speaker 2: be an adult. I've been talking to these kids.
Speaker 1: Oh did you hear about the.
Speaker 2: Latest and the OJ verdict?
Speaker 1: You hear?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I'm like talking and they're like they have nothing to
Speaker 2: say to me, and I'm like, I just can't wait
Speaker 2: till I'm an adult and I'll never have to hear
Speaker 2: about Pokemon or Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: Somehow We'll still be talking about the OJ Verdict though.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about that.
Speaker 2: And it turns out all the adults my age, all
Speaker 2: they care about is Pokemon Go and Harry Potter Land
Speaker 2: at Universal Studios.
Speaker 3: But to help you out, there is a lot of
Speaker 3: OJ content still. There's documentaries, there's mini series. It's just
Speaker 3: then the what do you see?
Speaker 2: You like?
Speaker 3: The OJ cinematic Universe, the OJU. I guess we could
Speaker 3: call it, we call it juice. I don't I remember
Speaker 3: about the OJ Verdict. Was my second grade teacher yelling
Speaker 3: at us about it. It's distinctly all Asso stated with
Speaker 3: Miss Simmons's. It's a very Miss Simmons things to do.
Speaker 1: So where'd you grow up?
Speaker 3: I grew up in Missouri in a town called Lake
Speaker 3: tap Wingo. It's very it's like eight hundred.
Speaker 2: That's like the most fun city name for like the
Speaker 2: most dark sounding state ever.
Speaker 3: Missouri is a bizarre state.
Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds like misery. It does sound like
Speaker 2: and then where you're from, Lake Tech.
Speaker 3: I think I have the hat on right now that
Speaker 3: this is you know how visuals play on a podcast? Yeah,
Speaker 3: gave me this hat for doing stand up there and
Speaker 3: this hat makes it look like Lake tap Wingo died
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, but it was just like
Speaker 3: the seventy fifth anniversary of the city or year, but
Speaker 3: it looks like it like died in nine to eleven
Speaker 3: or something, and they're like recipes Lake tap Wingo.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's you know, a haunted place.
Speaker 3: Kind of a haunt I kind of I describe Missouri
Speaker 3: to people as like probably a season of Cereal eventually,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. All of it is a
Speaker 3: true crime podcast about to happen all the time. There's
Speaker 3: just weird faux religious tones everywhere, and with that sort
Speaker 3: of follows like a lot of belief in ghost and
Speaker 3: belief in paranormal and or belief in nothing so like
Speaker 3: a pretty Christian, very Bible belty when it suits them
Speaker 3: sort of thing. Not as it's just a little different
Speaker 3: than the South, and it's a little different than other
Speaker 3: places in the Midwest. It's just kind of got this
Speaker 3: weird overlap and it has It's a state that's been
Speaker 3: around as far as people living there a lot longer
Speaker 3: than the state. Just bizarre lore around the state and
Speaker 3: things like that. But it's just interesting. It touches a
Speaker 3: lot of states. It's easy to get around.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I know that this is all I know
Speaker 2: about your paranormal experiences. You have made trips, a trip
Speaker 2: trips to the stoll Stole.
Speaker 3: Cancel, Kansas. Yes. Yeah. When I was in high school,
Speaker 3: in my latter high school years, which is how I'll
Speaker 3: start my worst novel, I was a ghost hunter. I
Speaker 3: got into like paranormal investigating really and it all started.
Speaker 2: Did you have the equipment?
Speaker 3: We had some of the equipment, and mostly like access
Speaker 3: to equipment. I guess if you want to figure out
Speaker 3: kind of where I'm from, you could get ghost hunting
Speaker 3: equipment at a library. That's where I grew up. That's
Speaker 3: probably a kind of good way to describe it is books,
Speaker 3: not as much, but ghost hunting. You know, you could
Speaker 3: get this stuff and you had access to it through
Speaker 3: whatever av programs the mid Continental Public Library had with them,
Speaker 3: And I was kind of interested in paranormal things. Life
Speaker 3: circumstances brought me thinking about it more often, and I
Speaker 3: started getting into it. And it was at kind of
Speaker 3: the time where more fun ghost hunting programming also existed
Speaker 3: on TV, where now there's ghost hunting shows. They take it,
Speaker 3: but there's be like fear on MTV and where I
Speaker 3: remember the cameras were facing them. They played that Godsmack
Speaker 3: song and got everyone excited to go God yeah, And
Speaker 3: so I started being there was there's always the folk
Speaker 3: tales that that sort of exist through high school and
Speaker 3: especially early Internet. Seemed to be everyone always thinks like
Speaker 3: when they were everything was perfect when they were a
Speaker 3: kid or whatever. But and so I don't mean to
Speaker 3: be sounding like that, but it was very easy for
Speaker 3: tales to spread when the Internet was You're on like
Speaker 3: a GeoCities dot com slash Haunted Missouri or a zanga
Speaker 3: for like you know what I mean, like zanga someone
Speaker 3: like giving e props to a ghost children.
Speaker 2: You never experienced zanga, right, But what was it.
Speaker 3: Was like a MySpace journal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could have your own song on there, right.
Speaker 3: Your music?
Speaker 2: What was your song?
Speaker 3: Mine was probably Coheed and Cambria.
Speaker 2: Cam another word I have not heard another two.
Speaker 1: You're really thrown it back.
Speaker 3: Those words in that order. People interesting feelings. It was
Speaker 3: so we would you could really find enough information to
Speaker 3: get interested in ghost stuff.
Speaker 2: And I remember I remember going to a lot of
Speaker 2: web pages about ghosts, a lot of centered text with
Speaker 2: a patterned tile background possible comic sands, right yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and then your scroll and they're like one
Speaker 3: little gift of sort of moving of a ghost.
Speaker 1: And it was such a skeleton.
Speaker 3: If people don't know, the movie Space Jam has a
Speaker 3: very funny website that's still up that they haven't updated
Speaker 3: since the movie came out. Oh and you can go
Speaker 3: look at space and that's kind of how all. It
Speaker 3: really makes you feel like old. You like, hover over
Speaker 3: a link and it turns into a basketball and this stuff.
Speaker 3: Why did we develop the dumbest parts of the internet
Speaker 3: to work first? And so we would go to these
Speaker 3: sites and and and look up haunted places in Missouri
Speaker 3: and we would get very interested in them, and then
Speaker 3: haunted places around I grew close to Kansas City, so
Speaker 3: that's right on the border of Kansas and Missouri, and
Speaker 3: kind of go explore around these places. I remember early
Speaker 3: we went to one where so it would tell you
Speaker 3: these you know, you park your car, you leave your
Speaker 3: lights off, and then your car you'll feel your car
Speaker 3: shake and then there'll be handprints on the back of
Speaker 3: your cars like this.
Speaker 2: Many towns have that story exactly.
Speaker 3: That one seems to be like something sort of like
Speaker 3: that put.
Speaker 2: Some powder on the on the back of your car,
Speaker 2: and you'll see little baby fingers.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: It definitely won't be your hands from when you put
Speaker 3: it there, it'll be. And so there were a lot
Speaker 3: of those and then we, you know, my friends and
Speaker 3: I were interested and we started reading about places around
Speaker 3: Missouri and I legitimately had and on my wall and
Speaker 3: still own a Missouri Kansas border map with sticky notes,
Speaker 3: almost like a conspiracy theorist map of the twenty most
Speaker 3: haunted places circa Missouri Kansas border, okay, and was like,
Speaker 3: we're going to go to all of them, and so
Speaker 3: we would kind of look them up and see which
Speaker 3: ones had the better stories versus which ones kind of
Speaker 3: seemed like not worth the time. A lot of insane asylums,
Speaker 3: a lot of this broken building used to be a
Speaker 3: hospital or something like that, and you would.
Speaker 2: Actually go to those places, Yeah, yeah, we would.
Speaker 3: We would write them all. We kind of like rank
Speaker 3: and wanted to make our way through through all of them.
Speaker 3: And so you're doing like a little bit of like
Speaker 3: a distance versus how scary we think it'll be, Like
Speaker 3: we're not going to drive eight hours to do the
Speaker 3: hands on the bumper, but we'll drive three hours for
Speaker 3: an insane asylum. Hell yeah, And lots of times you
Speaker 3: get there and it's just a rubble. And so we
Speaker 3: had a little bit of equipment, all night vision cameras,
Speaker 3: EVE record basically just recording audio.
Speaker 2: Did you have the MTV fear camera?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, we weren't. Bank Viacom didn't reply to
Speaker 3: any emails unfortunately.
Speaker 2: But godsmack did We'll give you prompted. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They were like, we'll play live at the Insane Aside
Speaker 3: if you want, I live here and.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be there next week.
Speaker 3: And then number one on all these these lists were
Speaker 3: and this is probably the sixth or seventh place we
Speaker 3: went to was the Stole Cemetery in Stall, Kansas, which
Speaker 3: is listed as one of these the gateways to Hell, right,
Speaker 3: And so there's this belief in in hyper Christian wings
Speaker 3: of that there's actual physical entrances to Hell where uh,
Speaker 3: anyone who's tryed like, if you're coming to Earth from Hell,
Speaker 3: you come from one of these blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say there's seven gateways to Hell. Yes, so
Speaker 2: we know one, where are the others? There's the Burbank
Speaker 2: Town Center mall for real.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna say, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know any of the other ones marshalls.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been there?
Speaker 1: It is this time, my ex wife's house, my mother's house.
Speaker 3: The biggest thing for us with this place is we
Speaker 3: found out that the Benedict who was the pope at
Speaker 3: the time, would not fly over any of them, and
Speaker 3: so that gave it a lot of validity, even though
Speaker 3: he was a Nazi. So maybe we should be listening
Speaker 3: to his flight paths or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't he the one that was like, I'm good, I'm.
Speaker 3: Out of see who retired?
Speaker 2: Yeah the door not really.
Speaker 3: No one who wants to retire to Venezuela who's one
Speaker 3: hundred should be allowed to.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so but this is a big It gives a
Speaker 3: lot of validity, you like, and you read God, this
Speaker 3: says the Popo flyer stole. It's got to be so serious.
Speaker 2: And it's a very small town. It's like twenty people live.
Speaker 3: No one lives there, it's nothing. And we look it
Speaker 3: up and it's maybe an hour and fifteen minutes from
Speaker 3: where we want to go or from where we live.
Speaker 3: And so we had this routine where we would always
Speaker 3: go very late on weeknights because you want to minimize
Speaker 3: the amount of people that'll be around, right, so you
Speaker 3: want to be there at two three in the morning
Speaker 3: on a weeknight because that's the least chance of everyone
Speaker 3: has the same internet. We did some weekend things and
Speaker 3: you sometimes another car would roll up or something like that,
Speaker 3: and so you kind of want to make sure you're
Speaker 3: doing these things when no one else will be around,
Speaker 3: and so we would always meet an all carpool from
Speaker 3: the same McDonald's. It's just very it's you know, the
Speaker 3: biggest thing happening in Blue Springs, Missouri is the McDonald's.
Speaker 3: And we would carpool there and someone would drive and
Speaker 3: we'll try and leave people's names out. And so we
Speaker 3: decided it's like a Wednesday night and we're like, we're
Speaker 3: going to go to stole. This is like the thing
Speaker 3: that we've kind of been waiting to do. At this point.
Speaker 3: My belief in ghosts is hyper one way or the
Speaker 3: other depending on recent things. So I very much will
Speaker 3: be like this is all a farce. You go and
Speaker 3: you see what you want to see, and you convince
Speaker 3: yourself of these things or I'm very much like I
Speaker 3: see ghosts just kind of depending on what mood I'm in.
Speaker 3: I'm in like a malleable emotional state at the time anyways,
Speaker 3: let alone just being a high school kid and being
Speaker 3: like hormone rageing crazy, and so I'm I at this
Speaker 3: I probably am pretty sure I have seen ghosts at
Speaker 3: this point. So I'm going in with that sort of
Speaker 3: open mindset.
Speaker 2: But like, what experiences were you using where you drawing
Speaker 2: from that you might have seen a ghost before.
Speaker 3: So when I was in this is a case a
Speaker 3: little bit heavier of a but that's okay. When I
Speaker 3: was in a year before that or so, my best
Speaker 3: friend killed himself and it was like a very weird
Speaker 3: situation and like that also it was super kooky, and
Speaker 3: it was like, since it weird situations, I so trivializing,
Speaker 3: but it was it kind of like left me feeling
Speaker 3: it was a point where I was quasi like living
Speaker 3: over where he was and someone I saw every day
Speaker 3: and our families were very close, and then like everything
Speaker 3: surrounding it kind of left me like emotionally drained and
Speaker 3: unsure how to deal with it because I was a kid,
Speaker 3: and I don't I think I like unfairly had expectations
Speaker 3: my parents were how to help me with it. I
Speaker 3: was very resentful towards my other friends in high school
Speaker 3: because I feel like we all sort of let it happen.
Speaker 3: And I was also very like upset about fallout of it.
Speaker 3: Counseling and like things like that all felt very fake.
Speaker 3: And it's it messed with my sleep schedule very much,
Speaker 3: and I was having like nightmares every night, and I
Speaker 3: saw I was very tired, and I was very strung out,
Speaker 3: and I was very sad and alone. And then sometimes
Speaker 3: I would have of dreams that sort of bled into
Speaker 3: reality and I would see him. I would see my
Speaker 3: friend Brett, and and I would be awake and certain
Speaker 3: it was a ghost or some sort of ghosts. Sounds
Speaker 3: almost like too funny, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like some sort of iteration of something where I
Speaker 3: could interact with him. And I've had conversations with him
Speaker 3: before and still not even you know, still within this year.
Speaker 3: It's something that pops up every once in a while
Speaker 3: if I'm like a stressed out or if I'm like
Speaker 3: just if something's happening and I can't quite get myself together.
Speaker 3: It seems like something that'll come back when my sleep
Speaker 3: starts to you know what I mean? And and then
Speaker 3: I started it. See, it just seems so real. And
Speaker 3: I will go and I would visit where he was buried,
Speaker 3: and and I would see him there and I would
Speaker 3: see like, uh, I would have conversations and it sounds
Speaker 3: very we dumb to say out loud, do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, No, no, I I totally get what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: A grandmother that is, I have a couple of grandmothers
Speaker 2: that are like come in, they come into my life.
Speaker 2: In certain times, they'll they'll kind of appear, the presence
Speaker 2: will be known.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even, I guess. And before without a
Speaker 3: tangenting too far from our stole trip, I what it
Speaker 3: is now, I'm in some weird place where everyone is
Speaker 3: very certain about how they feel about everything. I'm just
Speaker 3: kind of in a place where even I use the
Speaker 3: idea of like what a ghost is or something like
Speaker 3: that is like whatever iteration of him that is that
Speaker 3: I can interact with, even if it's something that's let's say,
Speaker 3: on a complete non believer side, it's a thing that
Speaker 3: exists only in my brain as a way of coping.
Speaker 3: I'm not ruling out the idea that whatever happens you
Speaker 3: after you die allows you to exist in and out
Speaker 3: of someone like that to communicate with them, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. I don't have the answers for these things,
Speaker 3: so I'm still very open to the idea whatever science
Speaker 3: wants to label something can still be as a result
Speaker 3: of some non scientific thing. So that led me into
Speaker 3: this whole like ghost thing. That kind of moved me
Speaker 3: into it, and we started.
Speaker 2: Uh So that's when after that experience is when the
Speaker 2: paranormal research and stuff started.
Speaker 1: So you start a whole.
Speaker 3: Right, and so you start at least having interest in
Speaker 3: it and then not I would say, like minded people,
Speaker 3: but then you meet the people who are like ghost
Speaker 3: onners you're like, well, like minded is not the term.
Speaker 2: To use for each other, but an experience like that
Speaker 2: can lead you to believe that there is more existence
Speaker 2: after after death, or you know, it opens your mind
Speaker 2: to so many possibilities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would always try and be not deprecating
Speaker 3: or negative about it, but just sort of accepting and
Speaker 3: positive and happy that he's around in whatever way that
Speaker 3: he's around and it's tough, and it's it's it's but yeah,
Speaker 3: it definitely led me into like the people go hunt
Speaker 3: for and it was probably out of like, let me
Speaker 3: try and get my friend on videotape, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, let me try and get something here, because
Speaker 3: a lot of the early things were taking this equipment
Speaker 3: down to that cemetery in where he's at and roaming
Speaker 3: around and having a few bizarre uh encounters. I don't
Speaker 3: want to, yeah, I don't want to start telling stories
Speaker 3: inside of stories or anything like that and and lose
Speaker 3: every one. So we'll get back to what we were
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 2: The uh.
Speaker 3: Well, one time I do remember, it's a very like
Speaker 3: UH when I was so I was at the cemetery
Speaker 3: in Blue Springs where where my friend is buried, and
Speaker 3: walking around trying to just kind of like feel things,
Speaker 3: and it was just like, you know, it's just there,
Speaker 3: super late at night with a couple of friends, and
Speaker 3: then someone kept yelling to stop. Someone's like stop, stop, stop, stop,
Speaker 3: and I hadn't didn't recognize any voice or anything, and
Speaker 3: so I'm like, okay, okay, and so I stopped thinking
Speaker 3: it's like one of my friends yelling at me, but not.
Speaker 3: And wherever I was standing, and I and and I
Speaker 3: sort of like got my bearings. And where I was
Speaker 3: was right where my grandfather is buried. It was like
Speaker 3: and so I just sort of like gathered my composure.
Speaker 3: And I had never it had been a long time
Speaker 3: since I had visited where he was buried, and had
Speaker 3: never even associated that he was in the same cemetery.
Speaker 3: Like you could have told me it was a different city.
Speaker 2: You heard you heard someone say, stop, it wasn't one
Speaker 2: of your friends.
Speaker 3: It wasn't. I just assumed it was, but it was not.
Speaker 3: No one was around. And then I just sort of
Speaker 3: got my bearings. And then there is you know, Mueller, and
Speaker 3: the dates all add up, and that's it's my mother's father.
Speaker 3: And and I was just like, I mean, maybe I'm
Speaker 3: reading into this thing. Maybe it's something you know. It's
Speaker 3: then you start to wonder where what I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. And it's still sort of just like
Speaker 3: a vague thing in my head. And so so I'm
Speaker 3: very interested in these things. I start getting more into it.
Speaker 3: You start noticing around where I grew up there's like
Speaker 3: old Victorian houses that they used to do these experiments
Speaker 3: on people, and you wonder what's real, you wonder what's
Speaker 3: not real. We go to a lot of these places,
Speaker 3: and most of my reactions leaving the places are I
Speaker 3: could get what I want. This will reaffirm my believe
Speaker 3: either way. If I think there are ghosts, I will
Speaker 3: find them here. If I don't, I won't. You know,
Speaker 3: there's answers for everything on either side, and so we
Speaker 3: decided to go to Stoll. Stole is the big thing.
Speaker 3: Stole is sort of what all of these sites referenced,
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, Missouri, Kansas, there's this place, there's
Speaker 3: this place, and you have to go to Stole. There.
Speaker 3: People aren't allowed there anymore. Radio stations used to try
Speaker 3: and do stuff there on Halloween and the city kicks
Speaker 3: everyone out. They're like, if you're gonna go, you have
Speaker 3: to be super careful. The people there hate this, They
Speaker 3: hate that people just come walk around and look for
Speaker 3: this because a small town, and so like, you have
Speaker 3: to have to go. The people will call the cops immediately.
Speaker 3: You can't do anything. And so we're like, let's go.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go. We're gonna go on some weeknight. We
Speaker 3: go very late, we meet and this McDonald's and it
Speaker 3: is downpouring, downpouring to like, if it rains as much
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, people don't go to work. Well that's
Speaker 3: not saying that much. But if it is anything, it
Speaker 3: is downpouring.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: It is. You can't hear people in the same car,
Speaker 3: it's raining so low. And so we decide, we're like, well,
Speaker 3: do we even want to do this? It's raining so hard.
Speaker 3: And then someone who's in the group is like, it's
Speaker 3: better because no one will be there.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, there's that. And then there's also part of
Speaker 2: the lore is that there's a an old church instilled.
Speaker 2: Do you know about this?
Speaker 3: Is this part of the story, there is an old
Speaker 3: there's the yea, well that there's.
Speaker 2: An old church that the roof kind of no longer
Speaker 2: exists and it doesn't rain, it doesn't get wet inside
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, we this, We want to go for this
Speaker 3: exact church. And so we decide to go and it's
Speaker 3: it's it is. It is a good idea if you're
Speaker 3: going to trespass, to do it as late, during as
Speaker 3: inclement as weather that you can ham just from a
Speaker 3: practicality standpoint, And so we decide so we're like, let's go.
Speaker 3: It's pretty close to a straight shot down I seventy
Speaker 3: west for us, just ahead into Kansas, and then you
Speaker 3: get off and you kind of just divert until highways
Speaker 3: get smaller and small once more. And so we're driving
Speaker 3: and it's about thirty thirty five minutes in where we
Speaker 3: start to get into Kansas. No one's out. It's some
Speaker 3: trucks in us some middle of the night. And we
Speaker 3: start to get to a toll. And so you get
Speaker 3: into Kansa, you get to a toll. I wish everything
Speaker 3: didn't rhyme. It really makes it sound like a folk
Speaker 3: tale when everything rhymes and you pay, and we get
Speaker 3: to the toll, we pay it and and we drive through.
Speaker 3: And then after we get through the toll, you know
Speaker 3: when it's fifty lanes and it gets down to one
Speaker 3: after a toll, someone gets right behind us, and it's
Speaker 3: like very bright, and we don't know if their brights
Speaker 3: are on or if it's just rain because everything headlights
Speaker 3: amplify the lights so much. And so we're just commenting
Speaker 3: on this, we're talking, we're goofing off, and then we
Speaker 3: get to the exit to start to head towards stall.
Speaker 3: I mean it still small enough where it's not the
Speaker 3: city on the exit, do you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like just an exit. Yeah, and then you gotta
Speaker 3: go and you gotta eventually, I imagine there's one sign
Speaker 3: and this is maybe we're using a garment, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: This is there like Tom to.
Speaker 3: Right, someone's Tom Tom someone the parents have a subscription
Speaker 3: to Tom Tom to help us get there.
Speaker 2: So a garment or a Tom Tom. They were a
Speaker 2: GPS device because we didn't have him in our phones
Speaker 2: at the time, which I still have mine because I
Speaker 2: don't know if I feel like, oh I just might
Speaker 2: need it one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only maps. This is what it was,
Speaker 3: satellite maps, but it was everything when it came out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this follows me when I turn exactly, and I still
Speaker 3: to this day. My dad hand writes directions to people
Speaker 3: because he doesn't have a cell phone, and so he's
Speaker 3: very much like you could be driving to Los Angeles
Speaker 3: from Kansas City and my dad would be like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: first you're gonna when you leave the house take a right,
Speaker 3: oh my god. And then you're gonna do a couple
Speaker 3: more right, and then a left, and then you're on
Speaker 3: that road for thirty one hours and then a left
Speaker 3: and that he'll describe it to you, and he'll pull
Speaker 3: out a piece of paper and flip it over and
Speaker 3: draw you like, okay, here, you'll get to Denver. Here,
Speaker 3: like he'll drop the whole line for a ten hour
Speaker 3: drive and then when you get to Denver, there's a
Speaker 3: huge tree on the exit and you're gonna take a left.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And he just he just doesn't he does, he just
Speaker 3: doesn't think. And sometimes now Hubec, you can put in
Speaker 3: your phone right like he's like sarcastically burning my phone.
Speaker 3: Like my phone doesn't care if you don't like it.
Speaker 3: It loves it. And so so we would we probably
Speaker 3: drew the directions down, I would imagine, just based on
Speaker 3: everyone's based on the class system that we were all
Speaker 3: coming from. I don't know. We might have had a garment,
Speaker 3: but probably map quest and then wrote down the map
Speaker 3: quest results, of course. And so we get off. So
Speaker 3: we go and we're driving, and we go to get
Speaker 3: off at this exit, and that car that was following
Speaker 3: us gets off at the same eggsit.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And it's not the kind of situation.
Speaker 2: And there's only one lane, so they can't pass or.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, they could have passed us on the interstate,
Speaker 3: but we're all both just kind of cruising. It's raining
Speaker 3: so hard. No one's speeding. We're all going basically the
Speaker 3: speed of semi trucks. So everyone's in it's a two
Speaker 3: lane interstate, but everyone's in the right lane because it's
Speaker 3: raining so hard. And then we get off, and then
Speaker 3: this person gets off and they're close enough to us
Speaker 3: where we're like, oh, the car's getting off. You notice
Speaker 3: there's nothing happening. Yeah, and you you don't rational, you know,
Speaker 3: in your head, you're like, they're probably just you don't
Speaker 3: your first thought isn't we're being followed? Sure, your first
Speaker 3: thought is they're probably your first that's nothing. And then
Speaker 3: you notice they're still behind you. You're like, that guy
Speaker 3: got off too, what's up with that? So you drive
Speaker 3: maybe five ten more minutes, taking some turns. This car
Speaker 3: is still behind us.
Speaker 2: Oh, I hate that.
Speaker 3: You're taking a lamp, taking a right, they're still behind us.
Speaker 3: Everything's getting a little smaller, right or near less and
Speaker 3: less stuff. There's no longer even gas stations. This is nowhere.
Speaker 3: We're in nowhere. It's Kansas. The whole thing is almost nowhere.
Speaker 3: And we're driving and we get onto the turn to
Speaker 3: go into where you'll finally see like a stall sign.
Speaker 3: It's not even like welcome, it's just like still pop
Speaker 3: eighty whatever. And we turn in and this car follows
Speaker 3: us again. And so now we're starting to think they're
Speaker 3: following us, and so we're like, well, if they're following
Speaker 3: do we what do we do? Do we do? We
Speaker 3: drive and circle you turn to see if they're following
Speaker 3: do we go? And then someone wants to be brave
Speaker 3: and they're like, just go. They're not. There's four of us,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Or whatever. It's like
Speaker 3: just go. And so we drive and we drive and
Speaker 3: we drive, and they're still following us. They're still following us.
Speaker 3: They're still following us. And so then when you get
Speaker 3: this into the actual area where the Stoll Cemetery is,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of on a hill and up around
Speaker 3: the corner of the cemetery. My hands aren't gonna play
Speaker 3: on the podcast, but they'll help you. Uh So, when
Speaker 3: we're driving on this side, the cemetery comes up on
Speaker 3: a little bit of a hill and the church you're
Speaker 3: talking about is around the edge, just on the far
Speaker 3: side of the cemetery, which is just then next to
Speaker 3: the woods and a lake, and so it's a little
Speaker 3: isolated thing that broken churches up there across the street.
Speaker 3: There's a church.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a new church in the new church church.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also another brick building which is just a
Speaker 3: little ways down from the church but basically adjacent to it,
Speaker 3: which is a fire department.
Speaker 2: And it's like a real working I.
Speaker 3: Don't know whatever Stole would have. I'm sure the county
Speaker 3: probably does most of stuff, sure, And just the building
Speaker 3: out there. And so we're pulling up and we kind
Speaker 3: of see it, like there's a cemetery, the cemetery on
Speaker 3: the right, and so we were like, all right, we'll
Speaker 3: just pull into this church. And here we start thinking involved,
Speaker 3: like what's our rationale here? If this person maybe they're
Speaker 3: from here and they know what you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: they're tired of us?
Speaker 2: Now, Like how many miles or so at this point
Speaker 2: were these people?
Speaker 3: Have we gone on the same path as this PERSONA thirty.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so scary.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's enough to where you you will it is
Speaker 3: and it's not like, you're driving thirty miles to the
Speaker 3: beach where a bunch of people go to the beach
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so during the rain at night.
Speaker 3: During the rain at night, it's to something in the
Speaker 3: morning probably, And so we decide to pull into this
Speaker 3: church and we so we pull the car into the church.
Speaker 3: We're in like a floord escape, right, and we park
Speaker 3: on the far side of the parking lot under like
Speaker 3: a little bit of some tree cover, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And we're like, Okay, what's our what's our story? And
Speaker 3: what will we do if this guy is following us?
Speaker 3: And then the car following us does turn into the
Speaker 3: same church parking lot and parks on the opposite side
Speaker 3: of the parking lot of us, the side closest to
Speaker 3: the street, closest to the cemetery. And so now we're like,
Speaker 3: they're following you know, I mean, they are following us.
Speaker 3: What are we going to do? Initial thought is they
Speaker 3: live here and are tired of people coming here for this,
Speaker 3: and so they're gonna tell us to not do this.
Speaker 2: But how would they have known from thirty miles away?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. That's kind of that's the other that's
Speaker 3: the back and forth is like, well they could maybe
Speaker 3: they were going home to the area and saw that
Speaker 3: we were going here and saw Missouri plates, and we're like, god,
Speaker 3: damn it. Some kids blah blah blah, like kinda you know,
Speaker 3: went a little bit out of their way to come
Speaker 3: stop us from doing this.
Speaker 2: What kind of car was this?
Speaker 3: They're in? Like a minivan?
Speaker 2: Oh the nothing good happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one's ever been a minivan away from success. Yeah,
Speaker 3: everyone's been a minivan away from roots, from planting roots,
Speaker 3: not the show. And uh and so we uh, we
Speaker 3: sit there for I couldn't tell you five minutes or
Speaker 3: six hours a long time, but it feels however long
Speaker 3: it is, it feels like a long time. I'm deciding
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. I'm like, well, what if we
Speaker 3: just leave. We haven't done anything illegal. What if we
Speaker 3: tell them we were lost? What if we tell them
Speaker 3: we were just turning around? But then he pulled him
Speaker 3: behind us and freaked us out. And eventually, once someone
Speaker 3: just wants to be is like, let's just go. They're
Speaker 3: probably just here to do what we're doing. Maybe they'll
Speaker 3: come with us, And we're like, oh, wait, for some reason,
Speaker 3: that made sense.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: We're like, yeah, they're definitely also here to hunt ghosts. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so we just get out of the car. It
Speaker 3: is pouring. We're no umbrellas, like just like hats and
Speaker 3: you know, I probably in a trash bag that I
Speaker 3: cut a head hole in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a classic like you're at a Gallagher Company.
Speaker 3: Eat everywhere is the splash shown for me at this point.
Speaker 3: And we get to to we have to walk by
Speaker 3: the minivan to go to get up the little walkway
Speaker 3: to go in the cemetery. And so we walk by
Speaker 3: then van kind of trying to stare straight forward, and
Speaker 3: I glance over and there's just someone in the driver's
Speaker 3: seat with the hood up, like not the like a
Speaker 3: hoodie hood up. Oh okay, and they don't look at us.
Speaker 3: They stay staring straight forward. We just cross the street,
Speaker 3: we go up, we start to get in the cemetery,
Speaker 3: and then we're just like you kinda you forget about
Speaker 3: the looming situation that is this person in this car,
Speaker 3: and we start actually doing what we're trying to do.
Speaker 3: And so no audio reader is going to be that
Speaker 3: great because it's pouring rain and we're taking some night
Speaker 3: vision video and we're mostly exploring around and there's very
Speaker 3: old graves. This is an interesting cemetery, but it's just
Speaker 3: a cemetery. And then we find the church. Well, we
Speaker 3: find the church. It is caved in, it is raining
Speaker 3: in it. We don't want to get too far in
Speaker 3: it because it's kind of a little bit of a
Speaker 3: build up with like a rock area. And then because
Speaker 3: there's all this mythos of like it was it was
Speaker 3: a Satanic church and that it got struck by lightning
Speaker 3: at some point, and so it is just it's a
Speaker 3: caved in church. No one wants to go in. It's
Speaker 3: a little dangerous, and it's it's like caved pretty far
Speaker 3: like into a pretty far down. So we kind of
Speaker 3: explore around this church. There's a big circle path around
Speaker 3: the entire cemetery, and then a little bit of like
Speaker 3: how cemetery paths work, which are mostly just beaten down
Speaker 3: footpaths in between graves. And then we're trying to find
Speaker 3: if what a literal gateway to Hell is. And so
Speaker 3: we've been told and read that there is like there
Speaker 3: is a space that is this for whatever reason, there's
Speaker 3: a space that is the actual gateway to Hell, and
Speaker 3: you can look and you can find it. And so
Speaker 3: we're roaming around. It's very dark. You don't even you know,
Speaker 3: we have flashlights, but you're trying not to use the flashlights,
Speaker 3: and there's a couple of street lights, so it's not impossible.
Speaker 3: And eventually someone finds what we think is is the
Speaker 3: gateway to Hell that is at Stoll Cemetery. And it's
Speaker 3: sort of just a little bit of an enclave down
Speaker 3: into the earth. And then you go down and it's
Speaker 3: half the size of the studio we're in now, right,
Speaker 3: so it's like eight by eight maybe, and it's just
Speaker 3: like a dirt space down not completely underground, but in
Speaker 3: a cemetery.
Speaker 2: Well you guys went down there.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's just you.
Speaker 3: Can just kind of like a little hill into it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And so it's kind of creepy at the time. It
Speaker 3: is very creepy at the time. I'm also like, is raining.
Speaker 3: We probably don't want to, but are.
Speaker 2: You sure It wasn't like where they were going to
Speaker 2: bury someone or it.
Speaker 3: Was a little more established than that, right, It wasn't
Speaker 3: like a grave, but it was a thing you can
Speaker 3: enter and a couple of you could be in it
Speaker 3: at the same time, and so we walk around, we
Speaker 3: take whatever it video and nasty. It's pretty nasty at
Speaker 3: that point. And then you also start to realize like, uh,
Speaker 3: you're kind of on the side of bodies now instead
Speaker 3: of being on top of and that's that's very creepy feeling.
Speaker 3: And so we don't spend a lot of time there.
Speaker 3: We don't want it's disgusting. We're disgusting. We get up
Speaker 3: when we start to walk back around, and then this
Speaker 3: is when it gets like unexplainable.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm already creeped out.
Speaker 3: We start to explore around a little bit more and
Speaker 3: it borders some woods, right, and so you're kind of
Speaker 3: the back wall, i'll call it, of the cemetery of
Speaker 3: the far side is woods. And we're walking along and
Speaker 3: it's very quiet, and then we're all no one's talking,
Speaker 3: just kind of calm. And then as clear as I can,
Speaker 3: hear something and as anyone anyone, and I cannot explain it,
Speaker 3: you hear wait for me, I'm right here, and it's
Speaker 3: none of us, and no one said. We all turned
Speaker 3: because we all looked at each other. It's none of
Speaker 3: our voices and none of us. We didn't know and
Speaker 3: you just heard it. It maybe the wool, maybe the wood,
Speaker 3: maybe the woods, but like right there, right right now,
Speaker 3: almost like someone's entering your group. And then and wait,
Speaker 3: and then we took off.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I thought this was gonna be a
Speaker 2: fun show.
Speaker 1: So we left.
Speaker 3: We ran, we ran, we ran downhill, we left the cemetery,
Speaker 3: We ran across the street. We get into our car,
Speaker 3: we get ready to leave. Once we got back into
Speaker 3: the parking lot, the guy in the minivan got out
Speaker 3: of his minivan. He went around to the back of
Speaker 3: the minivan. He opens a hatch, he grabs whatever, a
Speaker 3: bag something out of the minivan, something like two hand
Speaker 3: sized thing, and he takes off up through the cemetery
Speaker 3: into the woods. And we just left. What the voice was,
Speaker 3: I mean, the voice was a woman's voice that we heard,
Speaker 3: and we didn't know what to So we leave. We
Speaker 3: don't want to be there anymore. I don't even want
Speaker 3: to be there now. And we leave and we're driving
Speaker 3: back and says anything. We get back and get back.
Speaker 3: A few weeks go by, right, some time passes and
Speaker 3: we're all in high school and we come into class
Speaker 3: one day and one of the friends I was with
Speaker 3: us comes up and he has this like article from
Speaker 3: a newspaper and he's like, look at what happened here?
Speaker 3: And they found a body around the outskirts of the lake,
Speaker 3: right next to the stole cemetery. Timing wise would line
Speaker 3: up from when we were there. Didn't know where it
Speaker 3: came from, just someone they thought might have died on
Speaker 3: their own.
Speaker 2: What yeah, so what is your theory do you think
Speaker 2: that that man had a body in his.
Speaker 3: Well, we were curious. It was not a body sized
Speaker 3: thing that he pulled out of his van. The only
Speaker 3: way I could describe it as like one of those
Speaker 3: bags of pool queue would come in. You ever see
Speaker 3: someone carrying around the room?
Speaker 2: Not at all?
Speaker 3: Uh uh, I'll google it though, yeah yeah, or I
Speaker 3: don't really know how like a bowt what a bow
Speaker 3: and arrow would be. I don't want to imply it
Speaker 3: a bow and arrow, but like something that size. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it freaks out. Maybe if a shovel you unscrewed
Speaker 3: a shovel in half? Maybe a shovel. Well there's and
Speaker 3: so we decide we want to go back. No, a
Speaker 3: little bit of time has passed, but what did they
Speaker 3: you know? Who died? Like there was no information. It
Speaker 3: was a very small thing. It wasn't like it. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like they were looking for a murderer. They had
Speaker 3: no information. They just found someone. And we just said
Speaker 3: to go back. And we drive back once again, like
Speaker 3: late at night one night, to go back to Stole.
Speaker 3: And we get there. It's not rain or anything. It's
Speaker 3: and we were driving down the road in between the
Speaker 3: church and the cemetery and then we see there's some
Speaker 3: people sitting out in front of this brick building and
Speaker 3: the one next to the church, and there's people sitting
Speaker 3: out there and it's late two same time, even driving.
Speaker 2: The car and not raining though not raining, and as.
Speaker 3: We're driving, one of the guys walks right in the
Speaker 3: middle of the street and then he puts his hand
Speaker 3: up to stop the car. And we're just like, do
Speaker 3: not stop, Like that's just in the car, like do
Speaker 3: not stop. And he's like holding his hand up to
Speaker 3: stop the car, like do do not stop. And so
Speaker 3: my friend just bolts around him and and we even
Speaker 3: have to find a back way out, and we decid
Speaker 3: we didn't investigate what was happening there because we didn't
Speaker 3: want to talk to that guy. Nothing from talking to
Speaker 3: whoever that guy was who just walked in right extract
Speaker 3: that man with no fear of death or at least
Speaker 3: getting hit by a car.
Speaker 1: And it was even alive.
Speaker 3: Still, I don't know. And that's kind of and and
Speaker 3: and and not a lot has really been you know,
Speaker 3: I've done a little bit of like trying to find
Speaker 3: out what happened, and and it it's all a little scrubbed,
Speaker 3: and it's all very.
Speaker 2: Vague, the death or the body, and then all of.
Speaker 3: It and and kind of just disappears. And the voice
Speaker 3: I could just I mean, if I heard it, if
Speaker 3: that person was here, I could tell you it was her.
Speaker 3: Even if there were twenty people here who sounded like her,
Speaker 3: I could be right there if I heard that specific voice.
Speaker 3: It's very distinct in my head still, and we never
Speaker 3: stole his sense, sort of like revamped the cemetery in
Speaker 3: an effort to keep people from going there, and it,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if you can renovate Hell.
Speaker 3: It sounds like some sort of Gordon Ramsey kitchen show.
Speaker 1: And uh, because it be Kabitha's Hell take exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh Hell Flippers, it's just two guys try to flip
Speaker 3: Hell and resell it. I think it's just because it,
Speaker 3: with the rise and spread of information on the internet,
Speaker 3: became probably overrun, and then people start trying to do
Speaker 3: things like radio station there on. Like Halloween, we're outside still,
Speaker 3: let's go hassle these people.
Speaker 2: I've read a lot about them about Halloween, in particular,
Speaker 2: because the part of the lore is, let's see, I
Speaker 2: wrote some of this down. The devil appears in the cemetery.
Speaker 2: The devil himself or herself, I don't want a gender.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the devil identifies as in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, so the devil appears in the cemetery two
Speaker 2: times a year, the spring equinox and Halloween. So those
Speaker 2: are like big nights in the area, and they always
Speaker 2: people always get shut down by the cops and by locals.
Speaker 2: But apparently the devil is visiting a witch that was
Speaker 2: buried there. And there's actually a tombstone that no one
Speaker 2: really knows who it is, but it has the word witticch,
Speaker 2: which is witty teach.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we probably went in with that information, and
Speaker 3: sure it just never all a sudden became a blur
Speaker 3: pretty quickly in my head.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's a little story that I read online. Okay.
Speaker 2: One story told of two men who were visiting Stole
Speaker 2: Cemetery one night and became frightened when a strong wind
Speaker 2: began blowing out of nowhere. They ran back to their car,
Speaker 2: only to find that the vehicle had been moved to
Speaker 2: the other side of the highway and was now facing
Speaker 2: in the opposite direction. Another man claimed to experience this
Speaker 2: same anomalous wind, but inside of the church rather than
Speaker 2: in the graveyard. He claimed that the sinister air current
Speaker 2: air current knocked him to the floor and would not
Speaker 2: allow him to move for some time. Incidentally, it is
Speaker 2: inside the same church where they where witnesses say no
Speaker 2: rain will fall, even though the crumbling building has no roof.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe someone went into that. It looked hazardous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know when. This website that I went
Speaker 2: to was very much those early web page situations, So
Speaker 2: I don't know how long.
Speaker 3: Ago that was a big draw was wanting to go
Speaker 3: to that, and we just were like, for safety's sake,
Speaker 3: we're not gonna climb up the edge of a wall.
Speaker 1: Well, good thing your car was still where you parked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it sounds like our car was parked where
Speaker 3: cars got moved to. Oh, because I could see where
Speaker 3: they probably parked if it crossed the highway. Ambitious of
Speaker 3: them to call the highway if it crossed the if
Speaker 3: it crossed which I guess it is the highwayway. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would see where someone would try and park in
Speaker 3: the drive of the actual cemetery. We just didn't want
Speaker 3: the car to be visible there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, EVP h evly Okay, Well, we do a little
Speaker 2: game here on Ghosted called EVPs or ev please okay,
Speaker 2: basically what the game is because I find typically on
Speaker 2: YouTube people's EVPs electronic voice phenomenon that they have recorded,
Speaker 2: so essentially they believe they've recorded ghost voices. Now we've
Speaker 2: all seen it on these TV shows. It'll be like
Speaker 2: they're like, oh no, he just said I'm thirsty or whatever,
Speaker 2: and a lot of times that you can't. It doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like.
Speaker 3: You said, I'm for sure a ghost. Put me on TV.
Speaker 2: You put me on TV with my break I rerab
Speaker 2: my headshot.
Speaker 1: Uh So.
Speaker 2: This was uploaded by a YouTuber named Bunny Roquette. You're
Speaker 2: gonna first hear some leaves crackling, and I want you
Speaker 2: to tell me what you think. This first evpiece says
Speaker 2: we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Do it again. It's really quick, got it.
Speaker 3: It almost sounds like get fucked to me for a second.
Speaker 2: I definitely said you can definitely hear get get ye,
Speaker 2: I can hear get the.
Speaker 3: Get the or get my dad is kind of what
Speaker 3: I heard. I don't mean to project on it.
Speaker 2: I hear get the wand the wand.
Speaker 3: Let me Yeah okay, I heard, well yeah, yeah, get
Speaker 3: the I definitely hear the get the. It also sounds
Speaker 3: very urgent.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: It is believed by this YouTuber that they're either saying
Speaker 2: get the wall or hit the wall. Now. It's funny
Speaker 2: because this YouTuber says that they were actually talking about
Speaker 2: this little wall that they noticed that somebody made out
Speaker 2: of bricks. So that's why they believe they might have said.
Speaker 3: It was something that stood out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just.
Speaker 1: Talking about it, Okay, okay, okay, yeah, I like, uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once you have the context to it, you're okay, sure, I'm.
Speaker 2: Here with now this one. Uh. This was recorded after
Speaker 2: the YouTuber had just talked about The YouTuber says that
Speaker 2: they got a feeling of urgency, like they needed to
Speaker 2: just get out of there. Yeah, and then they heard this.
Speaker 3: That was so quiet it sounded like help me though
Speaker 3: I still here.
Speaker 2: Helped me me too, and that's what the YouTuber thinks
Speaker 2: they said. So they're like, okay, I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 2: And then they heard someone say help me wait one
Speaker 2: more time.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: These are the ones where I hear something like this
Speaker 3: and I'm like people who claim that this is only
Speaker 3: the wind, I'm like, this is fucking Is this the
Speaker 3: genie from Aladdin making this wind? Because that's not the wind.
Speaker 3: That's something.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the genie from Aladdin.
Speaker 3: Well that is Will Smith's non blue version. Okay, oh
Speaker 3: yeah I heard about that. Okay, that sounded like help
Speaker 3: me though, that's what they believe it said.
Speaker 2: So spooky?
Speaker 1: Was that?
Speaker 2: Were those the voices that that hurt that said what
Speaker 2: you heard it was?
Speaker 3: It was no, it was clearly like this. Those those
Speaker 3: were both tone toneless, you know what I mean? I
Speaker 3: whispers this was someone uh mad they were being ignored.
Speaker 2: Or just terrified.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it would be more fun. In my head,
Speaker 3: the story is more fun, But then when I tell it,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, it's mostly not as fun. It's kind
Speaker 3: of scary.
Speaker 2: No, it is fun, but it's very scary. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: fun to be scared.
Speaker 3: It's it is. It is the Yeah, it is the
Speaker 3: fun to be scared thing.
Speaker 2: And I just don't like poking fun or anything at
Speaker 2: like a gateway to help. I did make a couple
Speaker 2: of jokes, yeah, the gateway to help. But there's something
Speaker 2: about such a sinister place like this that it scares
Speaker 2: me so much to like to make fun.
Speaker 3: And I used to be in a more cynical place
Speaker 3: in my head of like why would there specifically be
Speaker 3: like Stole is so like it with Christ? And then
Speaker 3: I just the older I get, the and the more
Speaker 3: I'm okay with not having to have a definitive answer
Speaker 3: for everything, the more I'm just like, well, there's a
Speaker 3: reason there's so much overlap in the folklore of all humans.
Speaker 3: People from all over the world before you could communicate,
Speaker 3: all over the world had similar experiences as far as lore,
Speaker 3: similar spiritual experiences, similar monstrous experiences. So this is probably
Speaker 3: just a place where something happens and it's being attributed
Speaker 3: and projected into Catholicism or whatever, right, but it is
Speaker 3: maybe those specifics aren't where it is. But there's a
Speaker 3: reason that places like this existed and superseded any specifics.
Speaker 2: Well, and it from what it seems like, it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like good, right, you know, whether it is the
Speaker 2: devil themselves or not it is.
Speaker 3: Or h the devil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Was very much generally the vibe was very creepy and
Speaker 3: just existing there, and then everything else that happened circumstantial
Speaker 3: or because of just amplified it, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thought that people live there.
Speaker 3: It's truly weird place to invest in real estate, right.
Speaker 2: And there's it says online that there's people that live
Speaker 2: there and they hate people visiting, and there's lots of
Speaker 2: theories that they're not even of this earth.
Speaker 3: There's also some I know people for a long time
Speaker 3: believed everyone who lived there was a Satanist masking as
Speaker 3: someone else. Like and then sometimes I'm like, yo, just move.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that you can't always just move,
Speaker 3: but it's like how you settle down and stole it.
Speaker 3: It's not like there's anything to draw you here. It's
Speaker 3: not work.
Speaker 2: I don't know how this is work at McDonald's, but
Speaker 2: there's McDonald's in every town. You can transfer.
Speaker 3: I don't want one hundred miles from Stoll where people
Speaker 3: park before they drive to Stole. You can work at
Speaker 3: that one which chapel roade in I seventy. It's always hiring.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being tell people where they
Speaker 2: can find you in and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of Kyle Ayers across everything. Kyle than
Speaker 3: a Y E R S. So jumped on most of
Speaker 3: those handles pretty early. So That's where I'm.
Speaker 2: At, spooky. Thank you so much for listening. As always,
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Speaker 2: both living people and dead people. You mean the world
Speaker 2: to me. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,
Speaker 2: don't haunt me Gamebye.