1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: What's that apple bed? And I'm pretty sure it's dead. 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: He's coming this way. Wait a minute, half said Cyras 3 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: J flens. 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: E. Please, oh hey boo, how are you today? It's 5 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: me ros dress Falas the bargain beIN Beauty, but also 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: your paranormal hostess. I'm ghosted the show you're already listening to. 7 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Now. 8 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: I want to talk today about hometown urban legends of 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: the paranormal variety. Now, if you have one to share, 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: you already know what to do. Just leave me five 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: stars on Apple Podcasts, and then right in the review 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: your hometown urban legend or ghost story, and I want 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: to read it on the air if it's a real 14 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: show stopper. But if you don't have one, you can 15 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: also give me five stars. I love asking people to 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: tell me urban legends because I think every town in 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: the world has them. It's usually something like, oh, there's 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: this street where if you put your car in neutral, 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: the little children of the Fire from nineteen. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: Sixty two will push the car up there. 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: It's usually something like that, or you know, if you're 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: living in Mexico. I love hearing those because I know 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: that there's some freaky shit that goes out and down there. 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: I have a relative that told me that there's, uh, 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: when he was a kid, that there's this this village 26 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: legend of a gorgeous woman in a cloak that people 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: would see walking around and then if you got close 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: enough to. 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: Her, she actually has the face of a pig. 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: Winkink. Well, I'm gonna share a story about my hometown. 31 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm from Grand Rapids, Michigan. You know, like most Mexican people, 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 2: we're the only pig faced lady I saw as a 33 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: kid was me growing up. I knew the urban legend 34 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: of the Aida Witch. There's this, uh, this little suburb 35 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: outside of Grand Rapets called Aida and there's this super 36 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: dark wooded area on the outskirts of the town that 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: there's a very it's a very small street. Uh. It's 38 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: really spooky. It's like, you know, you go at nighttime 39 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: and it's like this country road and the trees feel 40 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: like they're kind of caving in on your car, like 41 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: from above, and you can't really see anything in front 42 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: of you. It's definitely when you turn on your your 43 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: what do you, I don't know cars, you know, when 44 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: you turn on the lights and it's like extra b 45 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: your extra your super brightes? Is that what it's called 46 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: super rights? I don't know anything about, you know, because 47 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: it's dark and spooky. And then there's this cemetery that's 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: out there called Finley Cemetery, and that's where it's reported 49 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: that there's this woman in white that people see walking 50 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: down the road. And I've actually I've heard a few 51 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: stories of her getting inside of the car and then 52 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're like, so where are you 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: going tonight? And then she's gone. So it's a really 54 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: popular place to go when you're like a high schooler. 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: I used to go all the time. But here's the 56 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: urban legend. Who is the Ada Witch? Okay, here's the story. 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: A married woman was having an affair. Now, according to lore, 58 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: her husband suspected the infidelity, so one day he decided 59 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: to follow her into the woods inside Seedman Park. What 60 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: the hell did you think was happening in a place 61 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: called Seedman Park? He caught her in a little tryst 62 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: with her lover, became angry, confronted them, and killed her 63 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: straight off. The two men were fighting, they ended up 64 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: causing enough injuries between the both of them that legend 65 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: states they both died as well. So this area is 66 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: pretty residential. There used to be hunting grounds there before. 67 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: There was a bunch of houses, and hunters reported hearing 68 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: people fighting in the woods and taps on their shoulder. 69 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: Now here's an article I found from the local news 70 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: channel wzz M thirteen. Ada resident Julie Wiley experienced a sighting. 71 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: I was driving home from work heading down Bailey Street, 72 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: said Wiley. I was coming up the crest of the 73 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: hill and all of a sudden, I see a woman 74 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: sitting in the middle of the street. She had a long, 75 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: flowing blue dress on. She was sitting there waving her arms, 76 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: and the words coming out of her mouth to me 77 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: looked like she was asking help me, help me. Why 78 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: she was asking it, though, help me, help me. Now 79 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: it's been said for years and years that all three 80 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: of those people, the woman, her side guy, and her husband, 81 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: were all buried in the cemetery, and that the witch's 82 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: tombstone was actually still standing. The Ada witch herself. Now, 83 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: it was said that her name was Sarah McMillan. And 84 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: I remember for years going out there as a kid 85 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: and in high school, and we'd all try to find 86 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: where's the aid of Witch's gravestone. It's Sarah McMillan. It's 87 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: a really popular place where, like, at least when I 88 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: was in high school, underage drinking would happen and then 89 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: all the kids would go down there, and then there'd 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: always be this one girl that would be like, you, guys, 91 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: something just touched me. It really touched me. And then 92 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: we'd all run and then there'd be Mike's Hard lemonade 93 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: and Natty Ice cans everywhere. So it turns out that 94 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: that woman, Sarah McMillan, she wasn't even the ad of 95 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: witch at all. There was a woman named Nicole Bray 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: who's a co author of a book called Ghosts of 97 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: Grand Rapids. She really did some deep diving and digging, 98 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: and she found out that that was actually a mother 99 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: of two died of typhoid fever, and people for some 100 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: reason just saw her tombstone because it looked old. It 101 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: was from eighteen seventy and they said, oh, that must 102 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: be the aid of witch, which I would be pissed 103 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: if I died of typhoid fever. And then people told 104 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: everyone that I was a witch for all eternity. So 105 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: I want to squash that rumor. It is not Sarah McMillan. 106 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: We don't know who the aid of Witch is. Honestly, 107 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: who knows if she even was a witch. Who knows 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: if that story even happened. It doesn't even sound like 109 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 2: there was that story. I mean, a lot of research 110 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: has been done, so it might just be an urban legend. 111 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: But I do know from going out there lots of 112 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: people taking photos and catching weird mist like things. 113 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: Ps. 114 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: This was when I was in high school, so no 115 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: one was vaping at the time, and they caught all 116 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: this mist on the cameras, and you know, people say 117 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: that this woman appears, so who is she? Who knows? 118 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: It is a cemetery, so I can see where there 119 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: could be some spirits lurking around. One more thing I 120 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: will say about Nicole Bray, the author of Ghosts of 121 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: Grand Rappets. 122 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: It was really sweet of her. 123 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: She put out some feelers to get a new headstone 124 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: for Sarah, the woman that we thought was the ad 125 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: of Witch, because people kept knocking it down and taking 126 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: pieces of the tombstone and selling it on eBay. Oh 127 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: you could buy a piece of the aid of Witch's gravestone. 128 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: So now she has a brand new one and I'm 129 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: sure it's gorgeous. So if you're ever at Finley Cemetery, 130 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: go pay your respects to this poor woman. Sarah McMillan. 131 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: That is not the Ada Witch. So yeah, that's one 132 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: of my urban legends from my hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. 133 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Tell me yours. 134 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 2: And on with the show, you guys, I am here 135 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: with Kyle Heirs of the Never Seen It Podcast. So 136 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: your podcast, it is where you have comedians that have 137 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: never seen a movie. They write their own script. 138 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: For write a script of what they think it is 139 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: or what they wish it was, but they've never seen it. 140 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm the perfect candidate for the show because I've never 141 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: seen anything. Are you the kind of person that watches? 142 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: I miss almost everything. I had. The thing that kind 143 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: of prompted it was I have a huge blind spot 144 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: from growing up and we just never went to the 145 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: movies or had cable. We'd have like some we never 146 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: had movie stuff. And for what reason, I don't know. 147 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: Just I grew up in Missouri and they just kind 148 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: of wasn't. I think neither of my parents had it 149 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: growing up, and so I just I have a brother 150 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: who is ten years younger than I am, I'm thirty, 151 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: he's about to be twenty, and I just saw a 152 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: picture of him as a baby. So in two thousand 153 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: and we had a thirteen inch console TV, like a 154 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: wooden sided, like it looks like the TV they would 155 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: have in a Christmas story or something like that. Old right, 156 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: And so I'm like, well, this is why I didn't 157 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 3: see anything. Is our TV was from nineteen sixty five. 158 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: In two thousand, I think my parents just got a 159 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: high definition TV this calendar year. 160 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations to them. 161 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big year for them. 162 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: Well those are so much easier to steal than those 163 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: old ones. 164 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: Old ones are. It was furniture first and television second, exactly. 165 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: That's really what I think what they sold you was 166 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: it all. It seems like like Don Draper tricked my 167 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: parents into buying this TV or something. 168 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: I literally don't watch anything, which is like what I'm saying, like, 169 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: never seen it in the story of my life. And 170 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: I live here in Hollywood where everybody sees everything. 171 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: It feels like people see so many movies here. 172 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: I don't. 173 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: They'll go see movie, They'll go make a point of 174 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: seeing a movie opening night. I had never heard of. 175 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: I just Yeah, I watch really bad comedies, documentaries and 176 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: horror movies and that's it. I've never seen a single 177 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: Harry Potter movie. Yeah, I've never seen Star Wars. I've 178 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: never seen a superhero. I've seen the Superhero movie with 179 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: Michelle Pfeiffer, the Batman one, but I've never seen anything 180 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: like superhero. 181 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: Movies are almost just what movies are now. It's either 182 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: that's almost like a like a document and it would 183 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: be a genre of movie. Superhero is almost that prevalent. 184 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: It's most of them. 185 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: That's what that that whole thing missed me because when 186 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: I was a child growing up in the nineties, all 187 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: the other little boys loved Pokemon, superheroes, Harry Potter and 188 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: basically that, and I would be on the playground and 189 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: just like this is so like, I just want to 190 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: be an adult. I've been talking to these kids. 191 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: Oh did you hear about the. 192 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: Latest and the OJ verdict? 193 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: You hear? 194 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: Now? 195 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: I'm like talking and they're like they have nothing to 196 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: say to me, and I'm like, I just can't wait 197 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: till I'm an adult and I'll never have to hear 198 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: about Pokemon or Harry Potter. 199 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: Somehow We'll still be talking about the OJ Verdict though. 200 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: We're still talking about that. 201 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: And it turns out all the adults my age, all 202 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: they care about is Pokemon Go and Harry Potter Land 203 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: at Universal Studios. 204 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: But to help you out, there is a lot of 205 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: OJ content still. There's documentaries, there's mini series. It's just 206 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: then the what do you see? 207 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: You like? 208 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: The OJ cinematic Universe, the OJU. I guess we could 209 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: call it, we call it juice. I don't I remember 210 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: about the OJ Verdict. Was my second grade teacher yelling 211 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: at us about it. It's distinctly all Asso stated with 212 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: Miss Simmons's. It's a very Miss Simmons things to do. 213 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: So where'd you grow up? 214 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: I grew up in Missouri in a town called Lake 215 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: tap Wingo. It's very it's like eight hundred. 216 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: That's like the most fun city name for like the 217 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: most dark sounding state ever. 218 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: Missouri is a bizarre state. 219 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds like misery. It does sound like 220 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: and then where you're from, Lake Tech. 221 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: I think I have the hat on right now that 222 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: this is you know how visuals play on a podcast? Yeah, 223 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: gave me this hat for doing stand up there and 224 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: this hat makes it look like Lake tap Wingo died 225 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, but it was just like 226 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: the seventy fifth anniversary of the city or year, but 227 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: it looks like it like died in nine to eleven 228 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 3: or something, and they're like recipes Lake tap Wingo. 229 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: Yes, it's you know, a haunted place. 230 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: Kind of a haunt I kind of I describe Missouri 231 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: to people as like probably a season of Cereal eventually, 232 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. All of it is a 233 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: true crime podcast about to happen all the time. There's 234 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: just weird faux religious tones everywhere, and with that sort 235 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: of follows like a lot of belief in ghost and 236 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: belief in paranormal and or belief in nothing so like 237 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: a pretty Christian, very Bible belty when it suits them 238 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: sort of thing. Not as it's just a little different 239 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: than the South, and it's a little different than other 240 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: places in the Midwest. It's just kind of got this 241 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: weird overlap and it has It's a state that's been 242 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: around as far as people living there a lot longer 243 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 3: than the state. Just bizarre lore around the state and 244 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 3: things like that. But it's just interesting. It touches a 245 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: lot of states. It's easy to get around. 246 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so I know that this is all I know 247 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: about your paranormal experiences. You have made trips, a trip 248 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: trips to the stoll Stole. 249 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: Cancel, Kansas. Yes. Yeah. When I was in high school, 250 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 3: in my latter high school years, which is how I'll 251 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: start my worst novel, I was a ghost hunter. I 252 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: got into like paranormal investigating really and it all started. 253 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: Did you have the equipment? 254 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 3: We had some of the equipment, and mostly like access 255 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: to equipment. I guess if you want to figure out 256 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 3: kind of where I'm from, you could get ghost hunting 257 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: equipment at a library. That's where I grew up. That's 258 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: probably a kind of good way to describe it is books, 259 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: not as much, but ghost hunting. You know, you could 260 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: get this stuff and you had access to it through 261 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: whatever av programs the mid Continental Public Library had with them, 262 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: And I was kind of interested in paranormal things. Life 263 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: circumstances brought me thinking about it more often, and I 264 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: started getting into it. And it was at kind of 265 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: the time where more fun ghost hunting programming also existed 266 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 3: on TV, where now there's ghost hunting shows. They take it, 267 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: but there's be like fear on MTV and where I 268 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: remember the cameras were facing them. They played that Godsmack 269 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: song and got everyone excited to go God yeah, And 270 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: so I started being there was there's always the folk 271 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: tales that that sort of exist through high school and 272 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: especially early Internet. Seemed to be everyone always thinks like 273 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: when they were everything was perfect when they were a 274 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: kid or whatever. But and so I don't mean to 275 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: be sounding like that, but it was very easy for 276 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: tales to spread when the Internet was You're on like 277 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: a GeoCities dot com slash Haunted Missouri or a zanga 278 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: for like you know what I mean, like zanga someone 279 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: like giving e props to a ghost children. 280 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: You never experienced zanga, right, But what was it. 281 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: Was like a MySpace journal. 282 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could have your own song on there, right. 283 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: Your music? 284 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: What was your song? 285 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: Mine was probably Coheed and Cambria. 286 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: Cam another word I have not heard another two. 287 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: You're really thrown it back. 288 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: Those words in that order. People interesting feelings. It was 289 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: so we would you could really find enough information to 290 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: get interested in ghost stuff. 291 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: And I remember I remember going to a lot of 292 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: web pages about ghosts, a lot of centered text with 293 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: a patterned tile background possible comic sands, right yeah. 294 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and then your scroll and they're like one 295 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: little gift of sort of moving of a ghost. 296 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: And it was such a skeleton. 297 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: If people don't know, the movie Space Jam has a 298 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: very funny website that's still up that they haven't updated 299 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: since the movie came out. Oh and you can go 300 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: look at space and that's kind of how all. It 301 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: really makes you feel like old. You like, hover over 302 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: a link and it turns into a basketball and this stuff. 303 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: Why did we develop the dumbest parts of the internet 304 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: to work first? And so we would go to these 305 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: sites and and and look up haunted places in Missouri 306 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: and we would get very interested in them, and then 307 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: haunted places around I grew close to Kansas City, so 308 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: that's right on the border of Kansas and Missouri, and 309 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: kind of go explore around these places. I remember early 310 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: we went to one where so it would tell you 311 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: these you know, you park your car, you leave your 312 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: lights off, and then your car you'll feel your car 313 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: shake and then there'll be handprints on the back of 314 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: your cars like this. 315 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: Many towns have that story exactly. 316 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: That one seems to be like something sort of like 317 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: that put. 318 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: Some powder on the on the back of your car, 319 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: and you'll see little baby fingers. 320 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 321 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: It definitely won't be your hands from when you put 322 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: it there, it'll be. And so there were a lot 323 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: of those and then we, you know, my friends and 324 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: I were interested and we started reading about places around 325 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: Missouri and I legitimately had and on my wall and 326 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: still own a Missouri Kansas border map with sticky notes, 327 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 3: almost like a conspiracy theorist map of the twenty most 328 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: haunted places circa Missouri Kansas border, okay, and was like, 329 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: we're going to go to all of them, and so 330 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: we would kind of look them up and see which 331 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: ones had the better stories versus which ones kind of 332 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: seemed like not worth the time. A lot of insane asylums, 333 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: a lot of this broken building used to be a 334 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: hospital or something like that, and you would. 335 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: Actually go to those places, Yeah, yeah, we would. 336 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: We would write them all. We kind of like rank 337 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 3: and wanted to make our way through through all of them. 338 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: And so you're doing like a little bit of like 339 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: a distance versus how scary we think it'll be, Like 340 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 3: we're not going to drive eight hours to do the 341 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: hands on the bumper, but we'll drive three hours for 342 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: an insane asylum. Hell yeah, And lots of times you 343 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: get there and it's just a rubble. And so we 344 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: had a little bit of equipment, all night vision cameras, 345 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: EVE record basically just recording audio. 346 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: Did you have the MTV fear camera? 347 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: No, no, no, we weren't. Bank Viacom didn't reply to 348 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: any emails unfortunately. 349 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: But godsmack did We'll give you prompted. Yeah. 350 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: They were like, we'll play live at the Insane Aside 351 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 3: if you want, I live here and. 352 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna be there next week. 353 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: And then number one on all these these lists were 354 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: and this is probably the sixth or seventh place we 355 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: went to was the Stole Cemetery in Stall, Kansas, which 356 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: is listed as one of these the gateways to Hell, right, 357 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: And so there's this belief in in hyper Christian wings 358 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: of that there's actual physical entrances to Hell where uh, 359 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: anyone who's tryed like, if you're coming to Earth from Hell, 360 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: you come from one of these blah blah blah blah blah. 361 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, they say there's seven gateways to Hell. Yes, so 362 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: we know one, where are the others? There's the Burbank 363 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: Town Center mall for real. 364 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna say, I didn't. 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know any of the other ones marshalls. 366 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: Have you ever been there? 367 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: It is this time, my ex wife's house, my mother's house. 368 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: The biggest thing for us with this place is we 369 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: found out that the Benedict who was the pope at 370 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: the time, would not fly over any of them, and 371 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: so that gave it a lot of validity, even though 372 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: he was a Nazi. So maybe we should be listening 373 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 3: to his flight paths or whatever. 374 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't he the one that was like, I'm good, I'm. 375 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 3: Out of see who retired? 376 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah the door not really. 377 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: No one who wants to retire to Venezuela who's one 378 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: hundred should be allowed to. 379 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: Uh. 380 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: And so but this is a big It gives a 381 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: lot of validity, you like, and you read God, this 382 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 3: says the Popo flyer stole. It's got to be so serious. 383 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: And it's a very small town. It's like twenty people live. 384 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: No one lives there, it's nothing. And we look it 385 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 3: up and it's maybe an hour and fifteen minutes from 386 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: where we want to go or from where we live. 387 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 3: And so we had this routine where we would always 388 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: go very late on weeknights because you want to minimize 389 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 3: the amount of people that'll be around, right, so you 390 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: want to be there at two three in the morning 391 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: on a weeknight because that's the least chance of everyone 392 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 3: has the same internet. We did some weekend things and 393 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: you sometimes another car would roll up or something like that, 394 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: and so you kind of want to make sure you're 395 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: doing these things when no one else will be around, 396 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: and so we would always meet an all carpool from 397 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: the same McDonald's. It's just very it's you know, the 398 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: biggest thing happening in Blue Springs, Missouri is the McDonald's. 399 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: And we would carpool there and someone would drive and 400 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: we'll try and leave people's names out. And so we 401 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 3: decided it's like a Wednesday night and we're like, we're 402 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: going to go to stole. This is like the thing 403 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: that we've kind of been waiting to do. At this point. 404 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: My belief in ghosts is hyper one way or the 405 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: other depending on recent things. So I very much will 406 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 3: be like this is all a farce. You go and 407 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: you see what you want to see, and you convince 408 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: yourself of these things or I'm very much like I 409 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: see ghosts just kind of depending on what mood I'm in. 410 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 3: I'm in like a malleable emotional state at the time anyways, 411 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 3: let alone just being a high school kid and being 412 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: like hormone rageing crazy, and so I'm I at this 413 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: I probably am pretty sure I have seen ghosts at 414 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 3: this point. So I'm going in with that sort of 415 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: open mindset. 416 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 2: But like, what experiences were you using where you drawing 417 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: from that you might have seen a ghost before. 418 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: So when I was in this is a case a 419 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 3: little bit heavier of a but that's okay. When I 420 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: was in a year before that or so, my best 421 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 3: friend killed himself and it was like a very weird 422 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: situation and like that also it was super kooky, and 423 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: it was like, since it weird situations, I so trivializing, 424 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 3: but it was it kind of like left me feeling 425 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: it was a point where I was quasi like living 426 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: over where he was and someone I saw every day 427 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: and our families were very close, and then like everything 428 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: surrounding it kind of left me like emotionally drained and 429 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: unsure how to deal with it because I was a kid, 430 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: and I don't I think I like unfairly had expectations 431 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 3: my parents were how to help me with it. I 432 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 3: was very resentful towards my other friends in high school 433 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: because I feel like we all sort of let it happen. 434 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: And I was also very like upset about fallout of it. 435 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 3: Counseling and like things like that all felt very fake. 436 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: And it's it messed with my sleep schedule very much, 437 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: and I was having like nightmares every night, and I 438 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: saw I was very tired, and I was very strung out, 439 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: and I was very sad and alone. And then sometimes 440 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: I would have of dreams that sort of bled into 441 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: reality and I would see him. I would see my 442 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: friend Brett, and and I would be awake and certain 443 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: it was a ghost or some sort of ghosts. Sounds 444 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: almost like too funny, you know what I mean? Yeah, 445 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: but like some sort of iteration of something where I 446 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 3: could interact with him. And I've had conversations with him 447 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: before and still not even you know, still within this year. 448 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: It's something that pops up every once in a while 449 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: if I'm like a stressed out or if I'm like 450 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 3: just if something's happening and I can't quite get myself together. 451 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: It seems like something that'll come back when my sleep 452 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: starts to you know what I mean? And and then 453 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 3: I started it. See, it just seems so real. And 454 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 3: I will go and I would visit where he was buried, 455 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: and and I would see him there and I would 456 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: see like, uh, I would have conversations and it sounds 457 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: very we dumb to say out loud, do you know 458 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 3: what I mean? 459 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: No, No, no, I I totally get what you're saying. Yeah, 460 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: I have that as well. 461 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have. 462 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: A grandmother that is, I have a couple of grandmothers 463 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: that are like come in, they come into my life. 464 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: In certain times, they'll they'll kind of appear, the presence 465 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: will be known. 466 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even, I guess. And before without a 467 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 3: tangenting too far from our stole trip, I what it 468 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: is now, I'm in some weird place where everyone is 469 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: very certain about how they feel about everything. I'm just 470 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: kind of in a place where even I use the 471 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: idea of like what a ghost is or something like 472 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 3: that is like whatever iteration of him that is that 473 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: I can interact with, even if it's something that's let's say, 474 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: on a complete non believer side, it's a thing that 475 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: exists only in my brain as a way of coping. 476 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: I'm not ruling out the idea that whatever happens you 477 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: after you die allows you to exist in and out 478 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: of someone like that to communicate with them, you know 479 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: what I mean. I don't have the answers for these things, 480 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: so I'm still very open to the idea whatever science 481 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: wants to label something can still be as a result 482 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: of some non scientific thing. So that led me into 483 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: this whole like ghost thing. That kind of moved me 484 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 3: into it, and we started. 485 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: Uh So that's when after that experience is when the 486 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: paranormal research and stuff started. 487 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: So you start a whole. 488 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 3: Right, and so you start at least having interest in 489 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: it and then not I would say, like minded people, 490 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 3: but then you meet the people who are like ghost 491 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: onners you're like, well, like minded is not the term. 492 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: To use for each other, but an experience like that 493 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: can lead you to believe that there is more existence 494 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: after after death, or you know, it opens your mind 495 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: to so many possibilities. 496 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would always try and be not deprecating 497 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: or negative about it, but just sort of accepting and 498 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 3: positive and happy that he's around in whatever way that 499 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 3: he's around and it's tough, and it's it's it's but yeah, 500 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 3: it definitely led me into like the people go hunt 501 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: for and it was probably out of like, let me 502 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: try and get my friend on videotape, you know what 503 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: I mean, let me try and get something here, because 504 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: a lot of the early things were taking this equipment 505 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 3: down to that cemetery in where he's at and roaming 506 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: around and having a few bizarre uh encounters. I don't 507 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: want to, yeah, I don't want to start telling stories 508 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 3: inside of stories or anything like that and and lose 509 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 3: every one. So we'll get back to what we were 510 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: talking about. 511 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: The uh. 512 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: Well, one time I do remember, it's a very like 513 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: UH when I was so I was at the cemetery 514 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: in Blue Springs where where my friend is buried, and 515 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: walking around trying to just kind of like feel things, 516 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: and it was just like, you know, it's just there, 517 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: super late at night with a couple of friends, and 518 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 3: then someone kept yelling to stop. Someone's like stop, stop, stop, stop, 519 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: and I hadn't didn't recognize any voice or anything, and 520 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: so I'm like, okay, okay, and so I stopped thinking 521 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: it's like one of my friends yelling at me, but not. 522 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: And wherever I was standing, and I and and I 523 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: sort of like got my bearings. And where I was 524 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: was right where my grandfather is buried. It was like 525 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: and so I just sort of like gathered my composure. 526 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 3: And I had never it had been a long time 527 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: since I had visited where he was buried, and had 528 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: never even associated that he was in the same cemetery. 529 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: Like you could have told me it was a different city. 530 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 2: You heard you heard someone say, stop, it wasn't one 531 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: of your friends. 532 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 3: It wasn't. I just assumed it was, but it was not. 533 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: No one was around. And then I just sort of 534 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: got my bearings. And then there is you know, Mueller, and 535 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: the dates all add up, and that's it's my mother's father. 536 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: And and I was just like, I mean, maybe I'm 537 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: reading into this thing. Maybe it's something you know. It's 538 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: then you start to wonder where what I'm you know, 539 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. And it's still sort of just like 540 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 3: a vague thing in my head. And so so I'm 541 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 3: very interested in these things. I start getting more into it. 542 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 3: You start noticing around where I grew up there's like 543 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 3: old Victorian houses that they used to do these experiments 544 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: on people, and you wonder what's real, you wonder what's 545 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: not real. We go to a lot of these places, 546 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: and most of my reactions leaving the places are I 547 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: could get what I want. This will reaffirm my believe 548 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 3: either way. If I think there are ghosts, I will 549 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: find them here. If I don't, I won't. You know, 550 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: there's answers for everything on either side, and so we 551 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 3: decided to go to Stoll. Stole is the big thing. 552 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 3: Stole is sort of what all of these sites referenced, 553 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, Missouri, Kansas, there's this place, there's 554 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 3: this place, and you have to go to Stole. There. 555 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 3: People aren't allowed there anymore. Radio stations used to try 556 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: and do stuff there on Halloween and the city kicks 557 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: everyone out. They're like, if you're gonna go, you have 558 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 3: to be super careful. The people there hate this, They 559 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 3: hate that people just come walk around and look for 560 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: this because a small town, and so like, you have 561 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: to have to go. The people will call the cops immediately. 562 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: You can't do anything. And so we're like, let's go. 563 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: We're gonna go. We're gonna go on some weeknight. We 564 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: go very late, we meet and this McDonald's and it 565 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: is downpouring, downpouring to like, if it rains as much 566 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, people don't go to work. Well that's 567 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 3: not saying that much. But if it is anything, it 568 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: is downpouring. 569 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: It is. 570 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: It is. You can't hear people in the same car, 571 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: it's raining so low. And so we decide, we're like, well, 572 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: do we even want to do this? It's raining so hard. 573 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: And then someone who's in the group is like, it's 574 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: better because no one will be there. 575 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, yes, there's that. And then there's also part of 576 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: the lore is that there's a an old church instilled. 577 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: Do you know about this? 578 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: Is this part of the story, there is an old 579 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: there's the yea, well that there's. 580 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: An old church that the roof kind of no longer 581 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: exists and it doesn't rain, it doesn't get wet inside 582 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: of it. 583 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: Oh no, we this, We want to go for this 584 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 3: exact church. And so we decide to go and it's 585 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: it's it is. It is a good idea if you're 586 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: going to trespass, to do it as late, during as 587 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: inclement as weather that you can ham just from a 588 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 3: practicality standpoint, And so we decide so we're like, let's go. 589 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 3: It's pretty close to a straight shot down I seventy 590 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: west for us, just ahead into Kansas, and then you 591 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: get off and you kind of just divert until highways 592 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: get smaller and small once more. And so we're driving 593 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: and it's about thirty thirty five minutes in where we 594 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 3: start to get into Kansas. No one's out. It's some 595 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: trucks in us some middle of the night. And we 596 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: start to get to a toll. And so you get 597 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: into Kansa, you get to a toll. I wish everything 598 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: didn't rhyme. It really makes it sound like a folk 599 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 3: tale when everything rhymes and you pay, and we get 600 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: to the toll, we pay it and and we drive through. 601 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 3: And then after we get through the toll, you know 602 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 3: when it's fifty lanes and it gets down to one 603 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: after a toll, someone gets right behind us, and it's 604 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: like very bright, and we don't know if their brights 605 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: are on or if it's just rain because everything headlights 606 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: amplify the lights so much. And so we're just commenting 607 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: on this, we're talking, we're goofing off, and then we 608 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: get to the exit to start to head towards stall. 609 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: I mean it still small enough where it's not the 610 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: city on the exit, do you know what I mean, 611 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: it's like just an exit. Yeah, and then you gotta 612 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 3: go and you gotta eventually, I imagine there's one sign 613 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: and this is maybe we're using a garment, you know 614 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: what I mean? 615 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: This is there like Tom to. 616 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: Right, someone's Tom Tom someone the parents have a subscription 617 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: to Tom Tom to help us get there. 618 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: So a garment or a Tom Tom. They were a 619 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: GPS device because we didn't have him in our phones 620 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: at the time, which I still have mine because I 621 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: don't know if I feel like, oh I just might 622 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: need it one day. 623 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only maps. This is what it was, 624 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: satellite maps, but it was everything when it came out. Yeah, 625 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: this follows me when I turn exactly, and I still 626 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: to this day. My dad hand writes directions to people 627 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: because he doesn't have a cell phone, and so he's 628 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: very much like you could be driving to Los Angeles 629 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 3: from Kansas City and my dad would be like, okay, well, 630 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: first you're gonna when you leave the house take a right, 631 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 3: oh my god. And then you're gonna do a couple 632 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: more right, and then a left, and then you're on 633 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: that road for thirty one hours and then a left 634 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 3: and that he'll describe it to you, and he'll pull 635 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 3: out a piece of paper and flip it over and 636 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: draw you like, okay, here, you'll get to Denver. Here, 637 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 3: like he'll drop the whole line for a ten hour 638 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: drive and then when you get to Denver, there's a 639 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 3: huge tree on the exit and you're gonna take a left. 640 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: Wow. 641 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 3: And he just he just doesn't he does, he just 642 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: doesn't think. And sometimes now Hubec, you can put in 643 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 3: your phone right like he's like sarcastically burning my phone. 644 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: Like my phone doesn't care if you don't like it. 645 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 3: It loves it. And so so we would we probably 646 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: drew the directions down, I would imagine, just based on 647 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: everyone's based on the class system that we were all 648 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: coming from. I don't know. We might have had a garment, 649 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: but probably map quest and then wrote down the map 650 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: quest results, of course. And so we get off. So 651 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: we go and we're driving, and we go to get 652 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 3: off at this exit, and that car that was following 653 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: us gets off at the same eggsit. 654 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god. And it's not the kind of situation. 655 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: And there's only one lane, so they can't pass or. 656 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 3: Right, Well, they could have passed us on the interstate, 657 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: but we're all both just kind of cruising. It's raining 658 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 3: so hard. No one's speeding. We're all going basically the 659 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: speed of semi trucks. So everyone's in it's a two 660 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 3: lane interstate, but everyone's in the right lane because it's 661 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 3: raining so hard. And then we get off, and then 662 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 3: this person gets off and they're close enough to us 663 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: where we're like, oh, the car's getting off. You notice 664 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: there's nothing happening. Yeah, and you you don't rational, you know, 665 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: in your head, you're like, they're probably just you don't 666 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: your first thought isn't we're being followed? Sure, your first 667 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 3: thought is they're probably your first that's nothing. And then 668 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: you notice they're still behind you. You're like, that guy 669 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: got off too, what's up with that? So you drive 670 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: maybe five ten more minutes, taking some turns. This car 671 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,239 Speaker 3: is still behind us. 672 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I hate that. 673 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: You're taking a lamp, taking a right, they're still behind us. 674 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: Everything's getting a little smaller, right or near less and 675 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 3: less stuff. There's no longer even gas stations. This is nowhere. 676 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: We're in nowhere. It's Kansas. The whole thing is almost nowhere. 677 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: And we're driving and we get onto the turn to 678 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: go into where you'll finally see like a stall sign. 679 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 3: It's not even like welcome, it's just like still pop 680 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: eighty whatever. And we turn in and this car follows 681 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: us again. And so now we're starting to think they're 682 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 3: following us, and so we're like, well, if they're following 683 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 3: do we what do we do? Do we do? We 684 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 3: drive and circle you turn to see if they're following 685 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 3: do we go? And then someone wants to be brave 686 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 3: and they're like, just go. They're not. There's four of us, 687 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Or whatever. It's like 688 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 3: just go. And so we drive and we drive and 689 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: we drive, and they're still following us. They're still following us. 690 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: They're still following us. And so then when you get 691 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: this into the actual area where the Stoll Cemetery is, 692 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 3: so it's kind of on a hill and up around 693 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 3: the corner of the cemetery. My hands aren't gonna play 694 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 3: on the podcast, but they'll help you. Uh So, when 695 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: we're driving on this side, the cemetery comes up on 696 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 3: a little bit of a hill and the church you're 697 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 3: talking about is around the edge, just on the far 698 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: side of the cemetery, which is just then next to 699 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: the woods and a lake, and so it's a little 700 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 3: isolated thing that broken churches up there across the street. 701 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 3: There's a church. 702 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a new church in the new church church. 703 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. And also another brick building which is just a 704 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 3: little ways down from the church but basically adjacent to it, 705 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: which is a fire department. 706 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: And it's like a real working I. 707 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 3: Don't know whatever Stole would have. I'm sure the county 708 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 3: probably does most of stuff, sure, And just the building 709 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 3: out there. And so we're pulling up and we kind 710 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 3: of see it, like there's a cemetery, the cemetery on 711 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 3: the right, and so we were like, all right, we'll 712 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 3: just pull into this church. And here we start thinking involved, 713 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: like what's our rationale here? If this person maybe they're 714 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 3: from here and they know what you know what I mean, 715 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 3: they're tired of us? 716 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: Now, Like how many miles or so at this point 717 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: were these people? 718 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: Have we gone on the same path as this PERSONA thirty. 719 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so scary. 720 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 3: Okay, it's enough to where you you will it is 721 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: and it's not like, you're driving thirty miles to the 722 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 3: beach where a bunch of people go to the beach 723 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 3: every day. 724 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so during the rain at night. 725 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 3: During the rain at night, it's to something in the 726 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 3: morning probably, And so we decide to pull into this 727 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 3: church and we so we pull the car into the church. 728 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 3: We're in like a floord escape, right, and we park 729 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 3: on the far side of the parking lot under like 730 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: a little bit of some tree cover, blah blah blah. 731 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 3: And we're like, Okay, what's our what's our story? And 732 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 3: what will we do if this guy is following us? 733 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 3: And then the car following us does turn into the 734 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 3: same church parking lot and parks on the opposite side 735 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: of the parking lot of us, the side closest to 736 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 3: the street, closest to the cemetery. And so now we're like, 737 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 3: they're following you know, I mean, they are following us. 738 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: What are we going to do? Initial thought is they 739 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 3: live here and are tired of people coming here for this, 740 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: and so they're gonna tell us to not do this. 741 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: But how would they have known from thirty miles away? 742 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. That's kind of that's the other that's 743 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 3: the back and forth is like, well they could maybe 744 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 3: they were going home to the area and saw that 745 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 3: we were going here and saw Missouri plates, and we're like, god, 746 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 3: damn it. Some kids blah blah blah, like kinda you know, 747 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 3: went a little bit out of their way to come 748 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: stop us from doing this. 749 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 2: What kind of car was this? 750 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 3: They're in? Like a minivan? 751 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 2: Oh the nothing good happened. 752 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, no one's ever been a minivan away from success. Yeah, 753 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 3: everyone's been a minivan away from roots, from planting roots, 754 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 3: not the show. And uh and so we uh, we 755 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 3: sit there for I couldn't tell you five minutes or 756 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 3: six hours a long time, but it feels however long 757 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 3: it is, it feels like a long time. I'm deciding 758 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. I'm like, well, what if we 759 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 3: just leave. We haven't done anything illegal. What if we 760 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 3: tell them we were lost? What if we tell them 761 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 3: we were just turning around? But then he pulled him 762 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 3: behind us and freaked us out. And eventually, once someone 763 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 3: just wants to be is like, let's just go. They're 764 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 3: probably just here to do what we're doing. Maybe they'll 765 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: come with us, And we're like, oh, wait, for some reason, 766 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 3: that made sense. 767 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 2: Okay. 768 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 3: We're like, yeah, they're definitely also here to hunt ghosts. Yeah, 769 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 3: And so we just get out of the car. It 770 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 3: is pouring. We're no umbrellas, like just like hats and 771 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 3: you know, I probably in a trash bag that I 772 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 3: cut a head hole in. 773 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a classic like you're at a Gallagher Company. 774 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 3: Eat everywhere is the splash shown for me at this point. 775 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 3: And we get to to we have to walk by 776 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 3: the minivan to go to get up the little walkway 777 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 3: to go in the cemetery. And so we walk by 778 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: then van kind of trying to stare straight forward, and 779 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 3: I glance over and there's just someone in the driver's 780 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 3: seat with the hood up, like not the like a 781 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 3: hoodie hood up. Oh okay, and they don't look at us. 782 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 3: They stay staring straight forward. We just cross the street, 783 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 3: we go up, we start to get in the cemetery, 784 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,959 Speaker 3: and then we're just like you kinda you forget about 785 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 3: the looming situation that is this person in this car, 786 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: and we start actually doing what we're trying to do. 787 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 3: And so no audio reader is going to be that 788 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 3: great because it's pouring rain and we're taking some night 789 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 3: vision video and we're mostly exploring around and there's very 790 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: old graves. This is an interesting cemetery, but it's just 791 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 3: a cemetery. And then we find the church. Well, we 792 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 3: find the church. It is caved in, it is raining 793 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 3: in it. We don't want to get too far in 794 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 3: it because it's kind of a little bit of a 795 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 3: build up with like a rock area. And then because 796 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 3: there's all this mythos of like it was it was 797 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 3: a Satanic church and that it got struck by lightning 798 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 3: at some point, and so it is just it's a 799 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 3: caved in church. No one wants to go in. It's 800 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 3: a little dangerous, and it's it's like caved pretty far 801 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 3: like into a pretty far down. So we kind of 802 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 3: explore around this church. There's a big circle path around 803 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 3: the entire cemetery, and then a little bit of like 804 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 3: how cemetery paths work, which are mostly just beaten down 805 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 3: footpaths in between graves. And then we're trying to find 806 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 3: if what a literal gateway to Hell is. And so 807 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 3: we've been told and read that there is like there 808 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 3: is a space that is this for whatever reason, there's 809 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 3: a space that is the actual gateway to Hell, and 810 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 3: you can look and you can find it. And so 811 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 3: we're roaming around. It's very dark. You don't even you know, 812 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 3: we have flashlights, but you're trying not to use the flashlights, 813 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 3: and there's a couple of street lights, so it's not impossible. 814 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 3: And eventually someone finds what we think is is the 815 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 3: gateway to Hell that is at Stoll Cemetery. And it's 816 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 3: sort of just a little bit of an enclave down 817 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 3: into the earth. And then you go down and it's 818 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 3: half the size of the studio we're in now, right, 819 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 3: so it's like eight by eight maybe, and it's just 820 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 3: like a dirt space down not completely underground, but in 821 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 3: a cemetery. 822 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 2: Well you guys went down there. 823 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: Yes, it's just you. 824 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 3: Can just kind of like a little hill into it. 825 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 826 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 3: And so it's kind of creepy at the time. It 827 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 3: is very creepy at the time. I'm also like, is raining. 828 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 3: We probably don't want to, but are. 829 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 2: You sure It wasn't like where they were going to 830 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 2: bury someone or it. 831 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,479 Speaker 3: Was a little more established than that, right, It wasn't 832 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 3: like a grave, but it was a thing you can 833 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 3: enter and a couple of you could be in it 834 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 3: at the same time, and so we walk around, we 835 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 3: take whatever it video and nasty. It's pretty nasty at 836 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 3: that point. And then you also start to realize like, uh, 837 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: you're kind of on the side of bodies now instead 838 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 3: of being on top of and that's that's very creepy feeling. 839 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 3: And so we don't spend a lot of time there. 840 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 3: We don't want it's disgusting. We're disgusting. We get up 841 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 3: when we start to walk back around, and then this 842 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 3: is when it gets like unexplainable. 843 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm already creeped out. 844 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 3: We start to explore around a little bit more and 845 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 3: it borders some woods, right, and so you're kind of 846 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 3: the back wall, i'll call it, of the cemetery of 847 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 3: the far side is woods. And we're walking along and 848 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 3: it's very quiet, and then we're all no one's talking, 849 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 3: just kind of calm. And then as clear as I can, 850 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 3: hear something and as anyone anyone, and I cannot explain it, 851 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 3: you hear wait for me, I'm right here, and it's 852 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 3: none of us, and no one said. We all turned 853 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 3: because we all looked at each other. It's none of 854 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: our voices and none of us. We didn't know and 855 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 3: you just heard it. It maybe the wool, maybe the wood, 856 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 3: maybe the woods, but like right there, right right now, 857 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 3: almost like someone's entering your group. And then and wait, 858 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 3: and then we took off. 859 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I thought this was gonna be a 860 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: fun show. 861 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: So we left. 862 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 3: We ran, we ran, we ran downhill, we left the cemetery, 863 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,439 Speaker 3: We ran across the street. We get into our car, 864 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 3: we get ready to leave. Once we got back into 865 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 3: the parking lot, the guy in the minivan got out 866 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 3: of his minivan. He went around to the back of 867 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 3: the minivan. He opens a hatch, he grabs whatever, a 868 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 3: bag something out of the minivan, something like two hand 869 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 3: sized thing, and he takes off up through the cemetery 870 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 3: into the woods. And we just left. What the voice was, 871 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 3: I mean, the voice was a woman's voice that we heard, 872 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 3: and we didn't know what to So we leave. We 873 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 3: don't want to be there anymore. I don't even want 874 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 3: to be there now. And we leave and we're driving 875 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 3: back and says anything. We get back and get back. 876 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 3: A few weeks go by, right, some time passes and 877 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 3: we're all in high school and we come into class 878 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 3: one day and one of the friends I was with 879 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 3: us comes up and he has this like article from 880 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 3: a newspaper and he's like, look at what happened here? 881 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 3: And they found a body around the outskirts of the lake, 882 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 3: right next to the stole cemetery. Timing wise would line 883 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 3: up from when we were there. Didn't know where it 884 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 3: came from, just someone they thought might have died on 885 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 3: their own. 886 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 2: What yeah, so what is your theory do you think 887 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 2: that that man had a body in his. 888 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 3: Well, we were curious. It was not a body sized 889 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 3: thing that he pulled out of his van. The only 890 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 3: way I could describe it as like one of those 891 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 3: bags of pool queue would come in. You ever see 892 00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 3: someone carrying around the room? 893 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 2: Not at all? 894 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 3: Uh uh, I'll google it though, yeah yeah, or I 895 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 3: don't really know how like a bowt what a bow 896 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 3: and arrow would be. I don't want to imply it 897 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 3: a bow and arrow, but like something that size. Okay, 898 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 3: so it freaks out. Maybe if a shovel you unscrewed 899 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 3: a shovel in half? Maybe a shovel. Well there's and 900 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 3: so we decide we want to go back. No, a 901 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 3: little bit of time has passed, but what did they 902 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 3: you know? Who died? Like there was no information. It 903 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 3: was a very small thing. It wasn't like it. It 904 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 3: wasn't like they were looking for a murderer. They had 905 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 3: no information. They just found someone. And we just said 906 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 3: to go back. And we drive back once again, like 907 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 3: late at night one night, to go back to Stole. 908 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 3: And we get there. It's not rain or anything. It's 909 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 3: and we were driving down the road in between the 910 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 3: church and the cemetery and then we see there's some 911 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 3: people sitting out in front of this brick building and 912 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 3: the one next to the church, and there's people sitting 913 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 3: out there and it's late two same time, even driving. 914 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 2: The car and not raining though not raining, and as. 915 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 3: We're driving, one of the guys walks right in the 916 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,959 Speaker 3: middle of the street and then he puts his hand 917 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 3: up to stop the car. And we're just like, do 918 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 3: not stop, Like that's just in the car, like do 919 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,320 Speaker 3: not stop. And he's like holding his hand up to 920 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 3: stop the car, like do do not stop. And so 921 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,879 Speaker 3: my friend just bolts around him and and we even 922 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 3: have to find a back way out, and we decid 923 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,919 Speaker 3: we didn't investigate what was happening there because we didn't 924 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 3: want to talk to that guy. Nothing from talking to 925 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 3: whoever that guy was who just walked in right extract 926 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 3: that man with no fear of death or at least 927 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 3: getting hit by a car. 928 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,240 Speaker 1: And it was even alive. 929 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 3: Still, I don't know. And that's kind of and and 930 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 3: and and not a lot has really been you know, 931 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 3: I've done a little bit of like trying to find 932 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 3: out what happened, and and it it's all a little scrubbed, 933 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 3: and it's all very. 934 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 2: Vague, the death or the body, and then all of. 935 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 3: It and and kind of just disappears. And the voice 936 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 3: I could just I mean, if I heard it, if 937 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 3: that person was here, I could tell you it was her. 938 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 3: Even if there were twenty people here who sounded like her, 939 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,919 Speaker 3: I could be right there if I heard that specific voice. 940 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 3: It's very distinct in my head still, and we never 941 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 3: stole his sense, sort of like revamped the cemetery in 942 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 3: an effort to keep people from going there, and it, 943 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if you can renovate Hell. 944 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 3: It sounds like some sort of Gordon Ramsey kitchen show. 945 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: And uh, because it be Kabitha's Hell take exactly. 946 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 3: Oh Hell Flippers, it's just two guys try to flip 947 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 3: Hell and resell it. I think it's just because it, 948 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 3: with the rise and spread of information on the internet, 949 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 3: became probably overrun, and then people start trying to do 950 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,359 Speaker 3: things like radio station there on. Like Halloween, we're outside still, 951 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 3: let's go hassle these people. 952 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 2: I've read a lot about them about Halloween, in particular, 953 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 2: because the part of the lore is, let's see, I 954 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 2: wrote some of this down. The devil appears in the cemetery. 955 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 2: The devil himself or herself, I don't want a gender. 956 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,720 Speaker 2: I don't know what the devil identifies as in twenty eighteen, 957 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, so the devil appears in the cemetery two 958 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 2: times a year, the spring equinox and Halloween. So those 959 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 2: are like big nights in the area, and they always 960 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,320 Speaker 2: people always get shut down by the cops and by locals. 961 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 2: But apparently the devil is visiting a witch that was 962 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 2: buried there. And there's actually a tombstone that no one 963 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 2: really knows who it is, but it has the word witticch, 964 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 2: which is witty teach. 965 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 3: I'm sure we probably went in with that information, and 966 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 3: sure it just never all a sudden became a blur 967 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,479 Speaker 3: pretty quickly in my head. 968 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,720 Speaker 2: Okay, here's a little story that I read online. Okay. 969 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 2: One story told of two men who were visiting Stole 970 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,800 Speaker 2: Cemetery one night and became frightened when a strong wind 971 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 2: began blowing out of nowhere. They ran back to their car, 972 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 2: only to find that the vehicle had been moved to 973 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 2: the other side of the highway and was now facing 974 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 2: in the opposite direction. Another man claimed to experience this 975 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 2: same anomalous wind, but inside of the church rather than 976 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,280 Speaker 2: in the graveyard. He claimed that the sinister air current 977 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 2: air current knocked him to the floor and would not 978 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 2: allow him to move for some time. Incidentally, it is 979 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 2: inside the same church where they where witnesses say no 980 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 2: rain will fall, even though the crumbling building has no roof. 981 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe someone went into that. It looked hazardous. 982 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know when. This website that I went 983 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 2: to was very much those early web page situations, So 984 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't know how long. 985 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 3: Ago that was a big draw was wanting to go 986 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 3: to that, and we just were like, for safety's sake, 987 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,280 Speaker 3: we're not gonna climb up the edge of a wall. 988 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: Well, good thing your car was still where you parked it. 989 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it sounds like our car was parked where 990 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 3: cars got moved to. Oh, because I could see where 991 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 3: they probably parked if it crossed the highway. Ambitious of 992 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 3: them to call the highway if it crossed the if 993 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 3: it crossed which I guess it is the highwayway. Yeah, 994 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 3: I would see where someone would try and park in 995 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 3: the drive of the actual cemetery. We just didn't want 996 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 3: the car to be visible there, you know what I mean? 997 00:50:50,160 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, EVP h evly Okay, Well, we do a little 998 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:09,240 Speaker 2: game here on Ghosted called EVPs or ev please okay, 999 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 2: basically what the game is because I find typically on 1000 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 2: YouTube people's EVPs electronic voice phenomenon that they have recorded, 1001 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,799 Speaker 2: so essentially they believe they've recorded ghost voices. Now we've 1002 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 2: all seen it on these TV shows. It'll be like 1003 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 2: they're like, oh no, he just said I'm thirsty or whatever, 1004 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,400 Speaker 2: and a lot of times that you can't. It doesn't 1005 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 2: sound like. 1006 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 3: You said, I'm for sure a ghost. Put me on TV. 1007 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,839 Speaker 2: You put me on TV with my break I rerab 1008 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 2: my headshot. 1009 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: Uh So. 1010 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 2: This was uploaded by a YouTuber named Bunny Roquette. You're 1011 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 2: gonna first hear some leaves crackling, and I want you 1012 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 2: to tell me what you think. This first evpiece says 1013 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 2: we're gonna. 1014 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:06,720 Speaker 4: Do it again. It's really quick, got it. 1015 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,280 Speaker 3: It almost sounds like get fucked to me for a second. 1016 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 2: I definitely said you can definitely hear get get ye, 1017 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 2: I can hear get the. 1018 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 3: Get the or get my dad is kind of what 1019 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 3: I heard. I don't mean to project on it. 1020 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 2: I hear get the wand the wand. 1021 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 3: Let me Yeah okay, I heard, well yeah, yeah, get 1022 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 3: the I definitely hear the get the. It also sounds 1023 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 3: very urgent. 1024 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,479 Speaker 2: Yes. 1025 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:35,760 Speaker 1: Well. 1026 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 2: It is believed by this YouTuber that they're either saying 1027 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 2: get the wall or hit the wall. Now. It's funny 1028 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 2: because this YouTuber says that they were actually talking about 1029 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 2: this little wall that they noticed that somebody made out 1030 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,920 Speaker 2: of bricks. So that's why they believe they might have said. 1031 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,319 Speaker 3: It was something that stood out. 1032 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just. 1033 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 1: Talking about it, Okay, okay, okay, yeah, I like, uh. 1034 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, once you have the context to it, you're okay, sure, I'm. 1035 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 2: Here with now this one. Uh. This was recorded after 1036 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 2: the YouTuber had just talked about The YouTuber says that 1037 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 2: they got a feeling of urgency, like they needed to 1038 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 2: just get out of there. Yeah, and then they heard this. 1039 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 3: That was so quiet it sounded like help me though 1040 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 3: I still here. 1041 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 2: Helped me me too, and that's what the YouTuber thinks 1042 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 2: they said. So they're like, okay, I'm getting out of here. 1043 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 2: And then they heard someone say help me wait one 1044 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 2: more time. 1045 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:42,479 Speaker 1: See. 1046 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 3: These are the ones where I hear something like this 1047 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,399 Speaker 3: and I'm like people who claim that this is only 1048 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 3: the wind, I'm like, this is fucking Is this the 1049 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 3: genie from Aladdin making this wind? Because that's not the wind. 1050 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,400 Speaker 3: That's something. 1051 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,400 Speaker 2: Maybe it was the genie from Aladdin. 1052 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,840 Speaker 3: Well that is Will Smith's non blue version. Okay, oh 1053 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 3: yeah I heard about that. Okay, that sounded like help 1054 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 3: me though, that's what they believe it said. 1055 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 2: So spooky? 1056 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: Was that? 1057 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 2: Were those the voices that that hurt that said what 1058 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 2: you heard it was? 1059 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 3: It was no, it was clearly like this. Those those 1060 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 3: were both tone toneless, you know what I mean? I 1061 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 3: whispers this was someone uh mad they were being ignored. 1062 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 2: Or just terrified. 1063 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:29,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1064 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 3: I thought it would be more fun. In my head, 1065 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 3: the story is more fun, But then when I tell it, 1066 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,879 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, it's mostly not as fun. It's kind 1067 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 3: of scary. 1068 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,839 Speaker 2: No, it is fun, but it's very scary. Yeah, it's 1069 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 2: fun to be scared. 1070 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,840 Speaker 3: It's it is. It is the Yeah, it is the 1071 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 3: fun to be scared thing. 1072 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 2: And I just don't like poking fun or anything at 1073 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,919 Speaker 2: like a gateway to help. I did make a couple 1074 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,880 Speaker 2: of jokes, yeah, the gateway to help. But there's something 1075 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,800 Speaker 2: about such a sinister place like this that it scares 1076 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 2: me so much to like to make fun. 1077 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,880 Speaker 3: And I used to be in a more cynical place 1078 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,799 Speaker 3: in my head of like why would there specifically be 1079 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,319 Speaker 3: like Stole is so like it with Christ? And then 1080 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 3: I just the older I get, the and the more 1081 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 3: I'm okay with not having to have a definitive answer 1082 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 3: for everything, the more I'm just like, well, there's a 1083 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 3: reason there's so much overlap in the folklore of all humans. 1084 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,320 Speaker 3: People from all over the world before you could communicate, 1085 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,479 Speaker 3: all over the world had similar experiences as far as lore, 1086 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:37,800 Speaker 3: similar spiritual experiences, similar monstrous experiences. So this is probably 1087 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 3: just a place where something happens and it's being attributed 1088 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,359 Speaker 3: and projected into Catholicism or whatever, right, but it is 1089 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 3: maybe those specifics aren't where it is. But there's a 1090 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:58,919 Speaker 3: reason that places like this existed and superseded any specifics. 1091 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,800 Speaker 2: Well, and it from what it seems like, it doesn't 1092 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,279 Speaker 2: seem like good, right, you know, whether it is the 1093 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,080 Speaker 2: devil themselves or not it is. 1094 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,240 Speaker 3: Or h the devil. 1095 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it. 1096 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,879 Speaker 3: Was very much generally the vibe was very creepy and 1097 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:22,880 Speaker 3: just existing there, and then everything else that happened circumstantial 1098 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 3: or because of just amplified it, I guess. 1099 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1100 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,800 Speaker 2: And the thought that people live there. 1101 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,400 Speaker 3: It's truly weird place to invest in real estate, right. 1102 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 2: And there's it says online that there's people that live 1103 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 2: there and they hate people visiting, and there's lots of 1104 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,280 Speaker 2: theories that they're not even of this earth. 1105 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,040 Speaker 3: There's also some I know people for a long time 1106 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 3: believed everyone who lived there was a Satanist masking as 1107 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,359 Speaker 3: someone else. Like and then sometimes I'm like, yo, just move. 1108 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,719 Speaker 3: I mean, I know that you can't always just move, 1109 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 3: but it's like how you settle down and stole it. 1110 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,359 Speaker 3: It's not like there's anything to draw you here. It's 1111 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:02,880 Speaker 3: not work. 1112 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 2: I don't know how this is work at McDonald's, but 1113 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,759 Speaker 2: there's McDonald's in every town. You can transfer. 1114 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,839 Speaker 3: I don't want one hundred miles from Stoll where people 1115 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 3: park before they drive to Stole. You can work at 1116 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 3: that one which chapel roade in I seventy. It's always hiring. 1117 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 1: Well. 1118 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being tell people where they 1119 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 2: can find you in and all that stuff. 1120 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 3: I'm just kind of Kyle Ayers across everything. Kyle than 1121 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 3: a Y E R S. So jumped on most of 1122 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 3: those handles pretty early. So That's where I'm. 1123 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 2: At, spooky. Thank you so much for listening. As always, 1124 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,720 Speaker 2: I want to hear your ghost stories. So here's how 1125 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 2: you can get them to me. Please write a review. 1126 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 2: Give me five stars first, so or I'm not reading 1127 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,480 Speaker 2: your story. You gotta give me five stars first if 1128 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,520 Speaker 2: you like the show. If you didn't like the show, 1129 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 2: you wouldn't care about me reading. So anyway, give me 1130 00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 2: five stars. Please on Apple podcasts, on Stitcher, on Himalaya 1131 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 2: or anywhere that podcasts are found in any place, you 1132 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 2: could give me a fabulous rating. And I want to 1133 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,480 Speaker 2: read your story on the air in a future episode. Also, 1134 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 2: if you have had an EVP experience, if you have 1135 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 2: captured the voice of a ghost, send it to me 1136 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 2: at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. Be sure 1137 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,240 Speaker 2: to tell me a little bit of a backstory and 1138 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 2: what you think the ghost said, and me and my 1139 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 2: guests will try to figure out if that's true or not. 1140 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 2: Please help my childhood dream come true of becoming an 1141 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:42,240 Speaker 2: Instagram celebrity by following me at Roz dres Falise on Instagram. 1142 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 2: I'm also on Twitter. I have a Facebook page. You 1143 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 2: can find out some live appearances on there as well. 1144 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 2: I love you all so much, Thank you for listening, 1145 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 2: both living people and dead people. You mean the world 1146 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 2: to me. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, 1147 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:08,240 Speaker 2: don't haunt me Gamebye.