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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat, oh leaven on a jet plane.

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Speaker 2: We're going to the UK. Hello everyone, it is Monday,

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Speaker 2: the sixth of February twenty twenty three, and it is

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Speaker 2: time for Morning Combat. Hello. I am one half of

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Speaker 2: your hosting duel. My name is Luke Thomas. I joined

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Speaker 2: you from the capital of the status anitles right here

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Speaker 2: in Washington, DC, joined by my Connecticut brethren who somehow

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Speaker 2: for the first time. Woo, it's be sizzle. What's up? Man?

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Speaker 3: Hold out? I got to take a call. It's a

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Speaker 3: London calling. Okay. They need an award winning podcast host

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Speaker 3: to come out there, so you know I'll break through

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Speaker 3: my typical cultural ignorance and lack of world renowned travel

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Speaker 3: to do this. I'm fired the hell up, Luke. You've

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Speaker 3: had a couple of these moments where you've texted me.

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Speaker 3: I've had a few of those where I've just said, wait.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're supposed to act like this is business

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Speaker 3: as usual, but you know what, Luke, it just isn't okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we host this stupid show that all of

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it is very This is the dumbest

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Speaker 3: I hope you get kidnapped by some Indians, Luke, who

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Speaker 3: has revenge for refusing to honor your you know, your

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm PC. Do you like Indian food?

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Speaker 3: Wow? You just got out of that one quick.

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Speaker 2: Folks should know, they should know, and I mean this

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Speaker 2: Your overall record, BC, it's getting better, still still not great.

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Speaker 3: mattered here on CBS. I mean, it's crazy. Look if

427
00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,719
Speaker 3: somebody would have told you in twenty eleven when Fador

428
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,480
Speaker 3: lost three in a row was Strikeforce, where we all

429
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,320
Speaker 3: were kind of like, man, what a great run, but

430
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,160
Speaker 3: it's caught up to him. Would he still be fighting

431
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,600
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three and would it be a sad,

432
00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, disgusting event or could he still be fighting

433
00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,679
Speaker 3: on CBS in primetime and a title bout dude, Like,

434
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,920
Speaker 3: you know, you could have watched that rematch and been like, Okay,

435
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,280
Speaker 3: it's what we thought it was. Fador looked olden, you know,

436
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,919
Speaker 3: to a degree he did, because he is old. But

437
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,800
Speaker 3: him getting to this point, like his longevity has to

438
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 3: be factored in high when you when you're asked you

439
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 3: know what is Fador's legacy and why did he matter?

440
00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,520
Speaker 3: Look at all those legends around them, they all out

441
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 3: a long time before him, yet they have the respect

442
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 3: for the real one. And I can't echo it enough,

443
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 3: will you? And I were both asked a million times

444
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 3: on HQ leading up to this or wherever, you know

445
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 3: what is Fador's true you know legacy in that and

446
00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,160
Speaker 3: you know you're always gonna mention all the pride wins

447
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 3: and they matter. But the dude's still doing it. And

448
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,160
Speaker 3: he was ten and three in the last you know,

449
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen years since those three losses and strikeforce, so

450
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,199
Speaker 3: we really you know, it's wild to me that the

451
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 3: best fighter to never step foot in UFC, which for

452
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,119
Speaker 3: the longest period of time that this sport has been active,

453
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 3: has been the true top shelf major leagues of this

454
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 3: He's still in the discussion of greatest fighter.

455
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 2: Of all time.

456
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 3: That tells you a lot, Luke, you got to be

457
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,680
Speaker 3: great to be in that spot, right, have never fought

458
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 3: in the UFC, yet still still have a place at

459
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 3: the table in the argument of greatest fighter of all time.

460
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 3: That's Fador's legacy. Man, I mean, timeless and just classic,

461
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 3: represents the sport a true gentleman. Look I look obviously,

462
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 3: me interviewing him this this week was last week was

463
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 3: more about me, right, it was about me having that moment.

464
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 3: But in general the couple smiles and laughs. I got

465
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 3: that that I got out of him. You saw that

466
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 3: pop up a little bit here and there press conference,

467
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 3: and after the cage, he just he dropped the guard.

468
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 3: It was the end of the run and we got

469
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 3: to see a little bit of who the true man

470
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 3: is on the inside. And you know, I'm not saying

471
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 3: he's some mythological perfect man. And you know, I don't

472
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 3: know what his beliefs are because he doesn't often share them, Luke,

473
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 3: but what he does share, it's it's solid, it's wholesome,

474
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of you know, it's a throwback to what

475
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 3: got us into this sport. And the fact that he

476
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 3: could still do this at forty six and twenty twenty

477
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 3: three mind boggling. Mind boggling. Whether that matters to anybody,

478
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: whether that's just romance storytelling or not, you gotta be

479
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 3: humbled at that.

480
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 2: Certainly, the only thing that really stood out to MEBC.

481
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 2: I saw someone tweet us. I forget who it was,

482
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 2: so please forgive him cribbing their point. But it's a

483
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 2: it's a fairly accurate accurate one, which is, you know,

484
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 2: this is not like basket or excuse me, baseball, where

485
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: you get Jeter's retirement toward Remember every team he'd show

486
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 2: up to, like the Mariners or the whoever, and everyone

487
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 2: had a gift for him as he retired, you know,

488
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: like all of his foes would do that, and this

489
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: went on for the season, and Kobe had something similar

490
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: when he was alive, and those are fine. I'm not

491
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: backing on him, but like you just don't get those

492
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: in MMA. You don't get those hardly at all. In

493
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 2: combat sports, like retirement fights are usually the fight itself.

494
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: Pretty sad. We saw Frankie Edgar heist, right, we saw

495
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: a shogun Hua recently iced fad or same kind of thing.

496
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: You're not going to get like a celebratory oh my god,

497
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: big ko, big sub last heroic. Except mean, sometimes that happens,

498
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: but it's pretty rare. So that's why it's important for

499
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 2: the promoter to do something beyond that, to make the

500
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: retirement such as you can you know, telegraph those things

501
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 2: feel special and it's hard to do. It's not an

502
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: obvious kind of way to do it. But I thought

503
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: that building around this idea turned out to be in

504
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: the sense of honoring Fador pretty good. Having the folks

505
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: in the cage turned out to be like a really

506
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: nice picture and very symbolic. I think it made Fador

507
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: feel good. It made him feel special, you know. To me,

508
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: it's just they're not easy to do. And I know

509
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 2: the UFC tries, but I would like to see if

510
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 2: people continue to innovate to get something closer to what

511
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 2: we got here rather than the old well he got

512
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: stretched out see when we see you, you know, it

513
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: should be a little bit more. I would hope that

514
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: kind of thing.

515
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a that's one of the

516
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: qualities that Scott Coger brings. He seems to obviously be

517
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 3: a fighter friendly promoter, but seems to really respect history.

518
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: And I think you saw that in the overall presentation

519
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 3: of this card. And I'm here for that. I'm certainly here.

520
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: You know. Look, we could sit here and pick apart

521
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: Dana's missteps, and we do from time to time, but

522
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 3: his history of outwardly talking bad about fighters sometimes in

523
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 3: their absolute prime, and sort of constantly being a downer

524
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 3: in that regard. I mean, that's not always the best

525
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 3: look when when our heroes are on the way out.

526
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 3: So you're right, it is rare. I mean, even the

527
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 3: even the only comparison mma wise to if Fador had

528
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 3: gotten this done, if he had won and walked off,

529
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 3: would have been the GSP win. But even that one,

530
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: it was like he wasn't he wasn't necessarily planning on

531
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: retiring now. He wasn't gonna go with Dana's agreed plan

532
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: and fight Luke Krockold next or whoever was next in

533
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: line and actually defend that title. But you know, it

534
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: took a while for him to officially retire, and even

535
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: right now, it seems like just be still trying to

536
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: find that one perfect landing. We don't have exits like this,

537
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: you know, win or lose, where we are clapping on

538
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 3: the way out, you know, I mean, I get, I mean,

539
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 3: I guess we got a close UFC proximity of that

540
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: seeing Shogun Hu in Brazil get that fight, But you know,

541
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: did that fight matter much? You know, I'd love to

542
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: see more aging stars go out on their own terms

543
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: and matchups. They can win preferably against other aging fighters,

544
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 3: and so you can have this rare sort of victory

545
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 3: tour thing that you're talking about. This sport doesn't typically

546
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: support that or produce that, but it is possible, all right.

547
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: Point number two BC, let's talk about the co main event.

548
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: Johnny Evelyn defeats Anatoly Tokov fifty forty five and then

549
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: two forty nine forty six. Is you could probably argue

550
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: that Tokov won the first round maybe I think that's

551
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: how I had it. But after that it was the

552
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: Johnny Eblin show. Although he had to rally past certain

553
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: bad points early in the I think second even third rounds,

554
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: but he did it and he put it on him.

555
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: BC start with you here again. Most impressive thing about

556
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: Eblin's victory from Saturday.

557
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: Is what the combination of his cardio and poise. Without question,

558
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: I knew Johnny Evlin was very good twelve and zero

559
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: coming in fresh off the destruction of Musaci, but I

560
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: had my doubts. I had to see it, and I

561
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: think in the first two rounds Tokoff at least showed

562
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 3: why I picked him for the upset. He showed an

563
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: ability to keep his back largely off the bat right.

564
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: His wrestling defense in the first two rounds was great,

565
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: and when he was able to get into a technical

566
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: striking battle with Eblin, Tokoff kind of had the edge.

567
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: You could have given him the first round, as you mentioned,

568
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: and I thought he was leading that second round pretty

569
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 3: well until Eblin rallied at the end. But Luke, the

570
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: reason why that you have championship rounds and that more

571
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: is required in title fights are exactly what Eblin ended

572
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 3: up showing beginning in that third round, his constant pressure

573
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: in his never ending gas tank. I mean, look, he

574
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: showed that Tokeoff is a very good fighter, not ready

575
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: for prime time fully at this level. And now I

576
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: have to go, Okay, I knew you know Eblin was

577
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: very good coming in. Look he may be great. He

578
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: might be a fighter who's coming together right now in

579
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: his absolute I'm beating pride and showing us how great

580
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: he can be because he outworked Musasi in just about

581
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 3: every category. Now he does this to a guy who

582
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: coming in, who had a seven to zero records since

583
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: coming to Belltour and had a lot of strengths and abilities.

584
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: Here to either cancel out Eblin potentially or maybe even

585
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: come over the top and win it. Yet, Johnny Evlin's

586
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: combination of confidence and ploise which don't really equal the

587
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: amount of experience he actually has, mixed with his ability

588
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: to weaponize that cardio and wrestling once he was able

589
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: to capitalize on a fading tokeoff in terms of stamina,

590
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: he doesn't give you another chance, like the fight is over.

591
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 3: This was two and a half rounds into the championship

592
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 3: rounds of full on absolute domination. So what am I

593
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: impressed with That? He doesn't buckle Johnny Eblin and when

594
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: he finds the ad manage there when he starts is

595
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: to be able to go downhill against you. He absolutely

596
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: smothers and dominates you. So I'm humbled by seeing that.

597
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: I picked against him because I needed to see more.

598
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: He showed it to me. He showed it to me.

599
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: Luke absolutely legit and somebody that Bellator should be outwardly

600
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: aggressively promoting because he seems to be the goods here.

601
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think he's great. I think he's

602
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: a very good fighter. I believe personally that Johnny Eblin

603
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: is among all weight class champions and major organizations, arguably

604
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: the most unheralded in terms of how good he is

605
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: versus the acclaim he gets for being that good. There's

606
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: an enormous gap between them. And something I've said before,

607
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: but I really want to reiterate it here on this

608
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: Monday Show, the guy just doesn't get credit for what

609
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: he deserves. Now, I'm not gonna I don't think the

610
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: comparison fully works BC, and there are a lot of differences,

611
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: but to me, like a guy like Eblin kind of

612
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of some of the better

613
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: versions to an extent, to an extent of Chris Widman. Now,

614
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: Widman was a little bit different. He had much more

615
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: submission savvy as in terms of like things he could

616
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: weave into his game that we hadn't really seen that

617
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: from Evelyn, you know. And I think eblin striking is

618
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: good but still a work in progress, so it's not

619
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: quite the same. But in terms of a guy a

620
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: big physical one, any fiver who's got a gas tank

621
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: for days, who can wrestle you consistently and by the way,

622
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: in all different kinds of positions and then can mix

623
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: that with forward pressure, can actually do some striking, so

624
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to constantly go to the wrestling. Dude,

625
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: he didn't really go to the wrestling in this fight.

626
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: So what B see the third round? Really, I mean

627
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't really a big part of his game until

628
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: much later in the fight. That shows you he was

629
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: able to get a lot of the work done he

630
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: needed to just on the feet. And so you know,

631
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: there's a question B see of like how well would

632
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: he do against the very best in the UFC. I

633
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 2: think he's probably top five. It's hard to know how

634
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: much further he is beyond that. You could imagine because

635
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: of his wrestling he would give Izzy or Podta a

636
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: tough time, but I think Whittaker is probably a nightmare

637
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: matchup for him. There's a question of like how a

638
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: guy like who's like a similar version of him but

639
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: not quite like a Marvin Vtory would do or a

640
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: Strickland who's got like very good takedown defense. So there's

641
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: some questions here about like matchup dependent how far would

642
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: he go? But to MEBC, he's a top five guy

643
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: in overall in the in the in the broader expansion

644
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: of one hundred and eighty five fighters, and I think Saturday,

645
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: seems like might be one of the first times people

646
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: come around to that fact.

647
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like my questions were essentially, you know, what if

648
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: a fight isn't going his way, what if he's locked

649
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: into the type of technical battle that is could potentially

650
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: expose that his striking is not up to the same

651
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: level of his wrestling. But the poise he showed in

652
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: navigating those opening two rounds against Tokoff when at times

653
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: it was leaning to the strength of toke Off because

654
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: Tokoff was able to stuff those takedowns early. Man, That's

655
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: that's championship level poise right there. And he made some

656
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: very key adjustments and like I said, picked up on

657
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: Tokeoff starting to gas out, and you know, he played

658
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: a big hand in gas in attempting to gas toke

659
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: Off out by fighting at such a high pace. I mean, look,

660
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: you use that term weaponized cardio a lot, and even

661
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: at the high level, there can be differences between cardio

662
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 3: and fighters. There are levels to this game. And you know,

663
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: I still haven't seen somebody who can shut off his

664
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: wrestling for five rounds. We've seen it now for two.

665
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: What happens, you know, can somebody match him for five

666
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: rounds on that level, you better be willing cardial wise

667
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: to go through hell to do that, and in this case,

668
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 3: he broke toke off and having that superpowered skill that

669
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: can make up for any other deficiencies or holes in

670
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: your game without question.

671
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: Also, I got to say, I'm not sure who like

672
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: is a good matchup for him at one hundred and

673
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: eighty five pounds. I want to pull up the Belator

674
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: middleweight rankings if I can be seen, because I'm just

675
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: looking around. I'm not really sure exactly who'd be a

676
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: good fight for him. So he already beat Musase, next

677
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: would be Fabian Edwards. I still would favor Eblin. There

678
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: took off, he just beat Salter, he already beat Rosta's

679
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: coming up and looks like Hercules but only it still

680
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have a ton of fights left or yet, excuse me.

681
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: And then after that's Aaron Jeffrey Austin Vanderford, Lorenz Larkin

682
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: is interesting at still being ranked at middleway, but obviously

683
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: his last fight was at welterweight, and then Romero Cotton. Dude,

684
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Eblin's got a real threat in that

685
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: top ten.

686
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, is Luke Rockold coming over Luke, because no,

687
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: I don't you know he even sure?

688
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: That's a.

689
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: Eblin had mentioned that that he expects the possibility of

690
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: Musasi and Edwards fighting for the spot and he'd be,

691
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: you know, down for a fight in the winner both

692
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: of those. But you're right at this moment unless some

693
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: of those names on the bottom end can start making

694
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: a run and put some wins together. Look, I don't

695
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: think we've heard the last from Austin Vanderford still, despite

696
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: how disastrous that one fight went against Gaggard Musasi in

697
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: his step up moment. But yeah, right now, Eblin looking

698
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: pretty pretty pretty damn good, Luke. I mean this this

699
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: was it to get the co main events status on CBS.

700
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: In this type of showcase, what else could he have

701
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: done short of stopping toke off. I mean, he was

702
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic in this one.

703
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: That to me was one thing that I still think

704
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: is a bit of an issue for him, the lack

705
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: of excuse me, the lack of the submission game.

706
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 3: Sure, excuse me, get that age. I know you've been

707
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: lying for a while. I mean, just just just join

708
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: the revolution, please, It could.

709
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: Change it though. That's that's bong Water. I just coughed up.

710
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Let's be very real about that. I feel fine, I'm

711
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: good to go. But what I was gonna say was

712
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: you got me off my track. Be see what the

713
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: hell was I talking about?

714
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: Now we're talking about Ebn's got to be able.

715
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: To Oh yeah, the lack of finishing is still something

716
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: for him to work on. Now. It was nice that

717
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: he had the cardio to go the full five and

718
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: then to punctuate it with that amazing souplex. That was great.

719
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: I mean that was great, But I think to really

720
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: get to the next level, and potentially if he does this,

721
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: he can move up to two o five, the finishing

722
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: got to really put in a little bit more of

723
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: a way to introduce danger and not just control into

724
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: some of these bouts. You know, that's me nitpicking. I'm

725
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: very much nitpicking. But I do think he's got another

726
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: gear to hit. I guess the point I'm trying to make.

727
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 2: And this was a great This was a great showcase

728
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: in terms of how he's getting there. But I don't

729
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: think he's done. I think he's actually got some improvement

730
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 2: that's still left ahead of him. And that's a scary prospect.

731
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: If you're belltor one five or for sure.

732
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: Look we got breaking news. Do you care about it

733
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: at all?

734
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: It depends on what it is? Tell me all right?

735
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: Per release. In a tweet from Marcury Mundy of ESPN,

736
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: Tim Simpson has left Paradigm Sports to start his own

737
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: MMA management group called Chosen Advisory Group. He will retain

738
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: Israel Atasignia, Leon Edwards, Yeri, Prohatska, Casey, O'Neil, Mohammad Makayev,

739
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: Jack Dela, Madelena, Jackermanson and others. And he has also

740
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: Tim Simpson today signed Max Holloway, whose former manager Chris

741
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: Daggett recently stepped away. So if you care about the

742
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: positioning wise of the power managers in this game, that

743
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: seems to be a power move Tim Simpsons just made.

744
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Tim, who have had some work with I have liked,

745
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: I liked him. Tim is so far has proven to

746
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: me to be uh definitely one of the better managers

747
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: in the game. I'd be curious to know what the

748
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: story is about him going out on his own though.

749
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: What's it called Chosen Advisory Group?

750
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: Yes, chosen, not not chosen like the villain and from

751
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: Karate Kid Part two, Luke more like cho sen.

752
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, chosen as in like the Frozen Chosen, like the Battle.

753
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: Of the Irian War. I think Mark is saying that

754
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: the news was first reported by Ariels, so whoever had

755
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: it first. There you go, but interesting news here. I

756
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: can't wait to see the latest MMAI video reacting to this,

757
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

758
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: Than very good. All right, let's go to point number

759
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: three here. BC. It opened the show and you knew

760
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: what you were going to get. You were gonna get

761
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: like just absolute chaos, and you got something pretty close

762
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: to that. Brennan Ward and the comeback continues. Now his

763
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: third fight since basically getting his comeback. This was the

764
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: first like real opponent he had, and this was the

765
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: first one on a big stage, I think, even outside

766
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: of Connecticut. So here he is. He fights Sabajo Massi ANDBC.

767
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: He looked a little bit flustered early, but put it

768
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: on him, proved to be the more superior power puncher,

769
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: it seemed to me, and then was able to really

770
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: just kind of close the show with overwhelming force and

771
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: ground and pound. How did Brennan Ward look to you?

772
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: He looked incredible and it was a little nerve wracking

773
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: in that first round because I think the lack in

774
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: striking technique and overall skills looked a little bit wider

775
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 3: than I thought it would come in I pick Holmasi

776
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: to win. We all assumed it would be a brawl.

777
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: But when Ward started getting lit up early got hit

778
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: with those flying knees, you know, I wondered if this

779
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: was too high of a move up, you know, if

780
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: the two comeback wins last year were too low in

781
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: terms of getting his feedback. This was the big league

782
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: now and it was on CBS, no less. But you

783
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: look back at how bat shit crazy that first round was.

784
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: They both suffered two cuts to their face swelling, they

785
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: both landed big jumping knees. Ward had a big rally,

786
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: and at the end of the first I did not

787
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: expect that he was going to be able to drag

788
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: Homasi that deep into a war to the level where

789
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: Harmasi started falling apart and Ward only got better that

790
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: more tired Homasi got. That shows you that, deep down,

791
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: dark inside, here's a man separate from the MMA who

792
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 3: has come back, you know, almost legitimately from death right

793
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: like as he went as far down that road of

794
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: severe hard drug abuse and legal issues that you possibly could.

795
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: We talked at nauseum about how he really hadn't trained

796
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: much throughout his whole career, always in top level shape

797
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: though it's just sort of how he is coming from

798
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: that amateur wrestling background. But this was a massive step

799
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: up in showing poise all that stuff that could lead him.

800
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: I know he called for a title shot immediately after.

801
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: You know, look, he's still putting things back together, but

802
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: he's going to be a problem look for some elite

803
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: fighters because of that will and if and if they can,

804
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: if they can, you know, if they're not able to

805
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: stop him from making it a war. Holmasi seemed willing, right,

806
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: he loves that, that's what he does. But if you

807
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: can't stop Brennan Ward from getting you into a crazy fight,

808
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: he might he might just break you down. Because he

809
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: showed an extreme level of stamina, will you know, punch

810
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: resistance too, huge shots got cut pretty badly and when

811
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: he stopped Homasi with that, with that high kick and

812
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: the punches afterwards, Man, he still looks like he can

813
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: go another three hard rounds. That that that can be

814
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: a tough super Oh you know, I mean I was

815
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: talking about Edwins Eblin's ability to weaponize his cardio. It's

816
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: not necessarily the same meaning for Ward, he kind of

817
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: needs you to get into a war with him. But

818
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: if you can't stop him from doing that, he could

819
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: be a problem for some high level guys, even if

820
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: that pure skill and technical gap is still a work

821
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: in progress.

822
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean thirty four with missing all that time,

823
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: you know, you do have to have I think, just

824
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: fairly some managed expectations. I'm not that he necessarily has to,

825
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: but as observers, you know, I think it's reasonable to

826
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: be like, well, I don't know how far this can go,

827
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: but let's see what we can get. But the reason

828
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: why I like this one is because he did face

829
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: a little bit of an adversity. He looked a little

830
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: bit rusty and behind the eight ball a little bit

831
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 2: when it started to your point, he had that hunched

832
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: over stance. He was getting eaten alive with some of

833
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: those jumping switch knees. That was a problem. He got

834
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: bloodied up early, he got his eye messed up a

835
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: little bit early, and then when he began to settle

836
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: into it and the pressure began to build, and then

837
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: he was able to execute while Homasi was, you know,

838
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: his defense was basically collapsing as he was getting pushed

839
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: back over time and again. Remember the other part to

840
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: Holmasi was throwing these big hooks missing and Ward was

841
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: able to get the back. Slow the fight down, make

842
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: good decisions, slow Homasi down, has a flurry at the

843
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: end of the first and then comes back and puts

844
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: it on him in the second. Dude, that's just good

845
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: judgment from Brendan Ward. Right, Like, the fight's gonna it's

846
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: getting a little bit chaotic. I'm getting touched up a

847
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: little bit. Let's take advantage of some broader techniques. Let's

848
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: put the fight on my terms. Let's slow it down

849
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: a little bit, just taking some of the If you're

850
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: gonna have chaos, have chaos upon your initiation, not theirs.

851
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: And he wasn't quite getting that. By draining Homasi a

852
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: little bit, he switched the dynamic a little bit and

853
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: he was able to take over. That's just good work. Now.

854
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: To answer the question about how far he can go,

855
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. We see, I really don't know. This

856
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: told me that he's definitely not gonna be stuck fighting

857
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: guys who have no name, who they can put him

858
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: on Mohegan Sun cards because he's from Connecticut, they can

859
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: he can do certainly a lot more than that. He's

860
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: been talking about title fights. I don't know if Belletore's

861
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: gonna look at this necessarily and think we should put

862
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: him in a welterweight title fight. Maybe they will. I

863
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: tend to think, you Probab has to be one or

864
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: two more guys, but I do think it is possible

865
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: this year he could get one. I think based on

866
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: what he showed poise decision making a little bit rusty

867
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: but then answered the challenge. Yeah, he could potentially do

868
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: some serious things in this welterweight division in twenty twenty three.

869
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: I think that's on the table.

870
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if he wants to take up

871
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: us the middle cushion on the room service diaries, coach

872
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: one day, Luke and tell us that the long story

873
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: to come back here, I'm you know, I'll get my

874
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: popcorn ready for I don't know if we can call

875
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 3: him the King of Connecticut just yet, but a high

876
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: prince in that royal court. You know what I'm saying,

877
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: Meet Glover, Brennan, Chalkmanden Hall. You know the all this apathy.

878
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: You know, all the ct MMA guys with CTE, we're all,

879
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: we're all gonna come together.

880
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah quickly. We do have to talk about the ratings.

881
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're gonna talk about slap ratings on TBS,

882
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: we have to be candidate about the ratings for Belotore

883
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: because also the ratings are always a big part of it, right,

884
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: we don't know if there's gonna be more of these

885
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: or not, and if they are, what the threshold is

886
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: and it got Coker talked about it with are Hajwane

887
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: prior to the event about what the a reasonable threshold

888
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: would look like. Now we don't have full and complete

889
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: numbers for two reasons. One, we only have nine to eleven.

890
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: We don't have any sense of what happened after the

891
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock broadcast. We will get some of those numbers tonight,

892
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: so this numbers is going to go up also. B See,

893
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: this is the real X factor. I just don't know

894
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: how streaming is going to impact it as well, where

895
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: you have fair amount plus and blah blah blah. But

896
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: that being said, ratings are not great. We just have

897
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: to be candid about that. In fact of the one

898
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: two three six MMA events that have ever aired on CBS.

899
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: Given the caveats I already mentioned keeping that up there,

900
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: this is the lowest rated of them all. Now again,

901
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: I think the numbers are going to go up, but

902
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to match.

903
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: I mean that that element is not a surprise that

904
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: it would be the lowest rating of all, given how

905
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: far the template has changed in terms of streaming versus

906
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: traditional cable and all of that. But you did hear

907
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: Scott Cocker tel Ariel that you know, he considered a

908
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: major win the potential of three million viewers. If right

909
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: now it's looking like it's hovering around one million, and

910
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: you know, it's certainly a disappointing in light of that,

911
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: But you do have to ask yourself, what is the

912
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: new baseline? You know, we don't know what donut CBS. No,

913
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: we don't know what CBS was looking for toward the

914
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: idea of doing this more often for big events, maybe

915
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: bringing back boxing. You know, they had huge success ratings

916
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: wise with the Porter Thurman and Thurmo Garcia fights that

917
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: aired in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen on Big CBS.

918
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: Obviously US being you know, big paramount guys, we hope

919
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: for good things moving forward, and I think if you're

920
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: a combat sports fan, you would want Bellator to have

921
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 3: the access here for big time events like this. But yeah, look,

922
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 3: it's it's hard to really know in this day and age.

923
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, And well, those numbers can they change

924
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: dramatically once the streaming numbers come in, once the post

925
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: eleven PM numbers come in.

926
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: So it came and it came in the nine to

927
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock slot Fast Nationals, which is like your overnight numbers.

928
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: They came in at nine hundred and twenty a k.

929
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: I think when you get past eleven o'clock it's definitely

930
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: going to go past a million at a bare minimum,

931
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: and then with the streaming, it's hard to say. Could

932
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: do a million five two, I don't think there's probably

933
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: two million totals, so maybe a million five at the

934
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: highest something like that. We'll have to see and then

935
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 2: we'll update folks and we get the more accurate numbers.

936
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: Just for clarification. By the way, of the six events

937
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: that ever aired on CBS for MMA, four of them

938
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: were either headlined by Fade or or Kimbo Slice, so

939
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: elidicx CY Primetime with Kimbo Slice did four point eight

940
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: five million, eliticx Y Unfinished Business which did not have

941
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: him was two point six. Then you bring him back

942
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: for elitex Heat four point five million, Kimbo Slice a

943
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: goddamn ratings, Oh no, drug or not. Then Strikeforce Fat

944
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: or Rogers was at four point zero four million, Strikeforce Nashville, which,

945
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: of course we all know the story, They're two point

946
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: nine million, and then Beltre two ninety again overnight, this

947
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: will go up, but it stands at nine hundred and

948
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: twenty eight. K I mean, I don't The other ones

949
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: felt bigger, Like these cultural moments were like, oh my god,

950
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: MMA is going to be on CBS. In the case

951
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: of you know, either fad Ors or you typically or

952
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: Kimbo Slice headlining, it was a really big deal. Everyone

953
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: was kind of paying attention. And in this one because

954
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: the age, we're just in a different time with the

955
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: MMA's relationship to broader society. It's, you know, they it

956
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same This used to be like a

957
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: punk rock move to put MMA on television, and now

958
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: it's sort of just another sporting move. It's kind of

959
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: a good way transitioned up to that extent. I will say,

960
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: I just I didn't see it on CBS A ton

961
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: of promotion for this. I don't know if I missed it.

962
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was other programming from the

963
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: previous week leading up to this. And I also don't

964
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: know if this is going to reach the threshold where

965
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: they will do subsequent shows. But not a great number

966
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: if we can go, well.

967
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: We got to see what the peak number is because

968
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: you have the average across the whole broadcast, and then

969
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: you have the peak. So you mentioned that strikeforce Fador

970
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 3: versus Brett Rodgers, which was the last big one, right

971
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: Nashville was the one after that that shut the deal down,

972
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: but the last big one that peaked at you know,

973
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: nearly five and a half. So let's see how high

974
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: that peak actually was. But yeah, lower than the expectations

975
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: that were expected. I still think a worthy gamble from Coker,

976
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: but I think tie to this news Luke. A lot

977
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: of people dming me saying, you guys better talk about this.

978
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: What do you make of the fact that the California

979
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: Athletic Commission did release the purses and on paper it's

980
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: what one hundred thousand for Baitar one hundred and fifty

981
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: thousand for Fador, But the obvious after the fact expectations

982
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: are that they will both make seven to eight ten

983
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: times more than that, based on a lot of things,

984
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: including Bonus' sponsors all that the world. There was some

985
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: kickback from people saying, Okay, if you guys are going

986
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: to criticize that practice by UFC to post small and

987
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: then behind the scenes give a you know, a certain

988
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: discretionary amount, is this the same case for this card

989
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: by Belgian.

990
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why people keep bringing this up,

991
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 2: but they keep bringing this up. Guys. Here's how this works.

992
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: And we've been over this a million times. I don't

993
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: know why we have to keep coming back to this.

994
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say, but by the way, I

995
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: think it was one hundred for Fador and one fifty

996
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: for Beader. Let's double check that. But I believe that's

997
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: how it went. Guys. We know from court documents that

998
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: Bellator gives about forty six slash forty seven percent of

999
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: their annual revenue to fighters. This is what they can offer, right,

1000
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: this is what they can offer. Now, maybe there's more

1001
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: on the back end that we don't know about with

1002
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: fade or you know, who knows how he gets paid.

1003
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: I have a very strong suspicion it's probably not just

1004
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: one hundred K. But to the point you're raising, like

1005
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: which UFC would we draw the same distinctions? This is

1006
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: the difference. The difference is that Bellator doesn't have any

1007
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: other money to give. So what you see the fighters

1008
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: get is literally them maxing it out in terms of

1009
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: their annual budgets basically every time. So if it ends

1010
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: up being less than a UFC card or not in

1011
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: keeping with what you might imagine, those are fine criticisms

1012
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: to make. Then my response is going to be where

1013
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: would you like the money to come from? In the

1014
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: total amount of their budget, they're giving away forty seven percent,

1015
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: They're just there, just isn't much left.

1016
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 3: So right, But isn't the spirit of that criticism from

1017
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: UFC fans who feel we are too harsh on the

1018
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: UFCS every move that it's the same practice that they

1019
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: would do of under report the total.

1020
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh it might be sure, It might be if I

1021
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: don't know if it is, But if it is sure,

1022
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: then it's you know, it's all part of the same

1023
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 2: industry practice in which case it's you.

1024
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: Know, you know, there's there's no chance fad Or agreed

1025
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: to one hundred. It's very very.

1026
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: Difficult for me to believe that. It's very difficult for

1027
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: me to believe. But if you're but if you're just

1028
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: wondering about Beltore payouts, to be like, oh my god,

1029
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: these guys on belt like on the prelimit card they're

1030
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: making like five and five. It's like again, one more time,

1031
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: we're What we're asking for is for the UFC to

1032
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: share a greater a greater percentage of their overall revenue,

1033
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: to put it more in line with what you might

1034
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: see in other professional sports. Belatore already does that. We

1035
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: know that, we have, we have evidence of it. We

1036
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: have proof now whether they're doing the same kinds of

1037
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: promoter tricks like you know, to your point of hiding

1038
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: it here and you know bonus there. Yes, none of

1039
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: that is great, and that's a big problem. I just

1040
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: want to be clear about the overall numbers belt who

1041
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: are sharing forty seven percent. I just don't know what

1042
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: else you could ask them to do, right.

1043
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, something, Yeah, I know, I mean I don't love

1044
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: the practice. Whether this is Scott Cooker doing the old

1045
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: UFC trick or not of trying to underreport, so others

1046
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: don't know and you know, but like there's no chance

1047
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: they fought for just that number. I mean, you know,

1048
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: I don't I don't love that.

1049
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: Practice, Luca, No, I don't love that practice. Who knows

1050
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: how fator gets paid to like how much of with sponsors.

1051
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: Or right Russian TV. I mean, there could be a

1052
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: lot of elements.

1053
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different elements to that. He didn't

1054
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: fight for one hundred k. But to your point, and

1055
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: also like we should just say any promoter engaging in

1056
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: practice of like show and win for example, like it

1057
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: shouldn't be that way. It should just be what your

1058
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: purse is. You're already slotted to pay them anyway. So

1059
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: let's just be very clear about that. I'm just I'm

1060
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: more speak any of those need to go away, whether

1061
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: it's Belto or pfl UFC. I'm more speaking of what

1062
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: do they have? What do they share? Belatore is more

1063
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: or less maxed out in that sense.

1064
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: That's all quasi related, Luke, did you see that Jake

1065
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: Paul said publicly he would be willing to box KSI

1066
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: at the end of this year, but only if they

1067
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: both agreed to a winner take all, where literally the

1068
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: loser would not get a single dollar for taking the

1069
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: fight and competing in it.

1070
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: I did not see that.

1071
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: Do you care about that?

1072
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: No, not even a little. All right, be see, let's

1073
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: switch gears to UFC if we can. So it was

1074
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: announced after Friday show, because why would it be before that.

1075
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor and Michael Chandler are going to be the

1076
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: next coaches on The Ultimate Fighter. Now I'm not sure

1077
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: exactly when that starts. It is roughly expected that whatever

1078
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: fight between them will take place in either the third

1079
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: or fourth quarter of this year. You saw it, came

1080
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: in and be like, well, he hasn't reentered the testing pool,

1081
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: And I'm always like whenever I see you saw to

1082
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: try and like regulate what Connor's doing. It reminds me

1083
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: of that scene from which Batman was it where it's

1084
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: with Bain and he turns around to that jimoke and

1085
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: he goes, do you think you are are you? He goes,

1086
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: do you think you are in charge? Do you feel

1087
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: in charge? You know that whole bit, It's like you

1088
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: do you feel like you're in charge? Here? I'm fucking

1089
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: up the story, but you know what I'm talking about. BC.

1090
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this choices for the Ultimate Fighter US

1091
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: coaches we talked about that a little bit when they

1092
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: mentioned Tony, and also is this the right move for

1093
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor.

1094
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: It's an interesting one. It does make me wonder did

1095
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 3: we just fall for And we're finding out here from

1096
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: our great staff that the Ultimate Fighter series is scheduled

1097
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: here to air May thirtieth to August fifteenth, so this

1098
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: will be all summer with the fight afterwards as you said,

1099
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: and Connor will have to in theory, undergo six months

1100
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: of testing. I just wonder, like, was that Tony Ferguson

1101
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: just tweeting it out to bring some attention on himself

1102
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 3: or what was the deal of that was that floated

1103
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: out to put pressure on either Connor or Chandler to

1104
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 3: give in either way, it's a big move here. I've

1105
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: said it before, I'll say it once more to put

1106
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: tough now. Dannis did everything he could to keep it alive.

1107
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 3: Now it's on ESPN. Now you get to put Connor

1108
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: McGregor back in it when he's been you know, away

1109
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: from the sport for so long. Once again, it's a

1110
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: smart move. It's big business. I am a little surprised

1111
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: about the matchup though. I'm just because to me, this

1112
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: is a fight, yes, that Connor can win without question,

1113
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: but based on recent history of both of them, to me,

1114
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: this feels like a fight that Michael Chandler can win,

1115
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: should win, and will win. But Luke, when I saw

1116
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: you know, we always get those emails from the various

1117
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: overseas betting accounts that want to give you like the

1118
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: first line, dude, the first line on McGregor versus Chandler

1119
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: is McGregor as the favorite, as is the updated line

1120
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 3: as well. He's an even bigger favorite. I think minus

1121
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: one forty around there. I'm very surprised by that.

1122
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1123
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: Dana did say Saturday night afterwards after the UFC card

1124
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: that you know, he doesn't know any details surrounding this fight,

1125
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: which I think is really weird when he's the boss. Anyway,

1126
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: Ariel Hawane did report from his sources that this will

1127
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: be a welterweight contest, which I guess again makes sense.

1128
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: Connor gets to call the shots on things like this.

1129
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: But Luke, what am I missing here from the idea

1130
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: that there's way more questions regarding Connor in so many

1131
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 3: categories as it pertains to fighting Chandler that I love

1132
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: this choice for the to make tough matter again, to

1133
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: do a long term build for a big pay per

1134
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: view fight, which this will and should be. But they're

1135
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: a tough ass fight for Connor McGregor because it will

1136
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: be a war. And even though that might facilitate more

1137
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: opportunities for him to win rather than putting him in there,

1138
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: let's say, against a wrestler who's going to drag him down. Dude,

1139
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: this is the kind of stuff that Michael Chandler does

1140
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: on the regular against the most elite fighters in the world,

1141
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: and either wins or, like he did against Charlie Olivera,

1142
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 3: comes that close to winning. It's gonna be a tough

1143
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: ass test for Connor. What am I missing betting? Odds wise?

1144
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: Connor, if he's at all the way he once was,

1145
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: is a sniper and would be able to pick off Chandler,

1146
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: I think at various points. But like I also had

1147
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: a rock Chin.

1148
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: But I've been the last of the Mohicans until very

1149
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: recently to believe that that can still magically create that

1150
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: guy back in the lab again and have that same

1151
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: mixture of drive with whatever's left of as athleticism, and

1152
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: the fact that he does take long periods of time

1153
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: off since the Eddie Alvarez fight, where it's hard to

1154
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: stay crisp. Michael Chandler's in the cage, you know, like

1155
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: clockwork every couple of months, right, and he puts on

1156
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: these barn burners. That to me, there's a very uphill

1157
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: battle for this version of Connor. But I like the boldness.

1158
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 3: I like that they're not giving him a supposed easy

1159
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: way out of Tony, even though you can justify it

1160
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: like the Cowboy comeback fight. This is gonna be a

1161
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: big event. It's gonna matter, it's gonna be dramatic as shit.

1162
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: But they are asking a lot of Connor here, so

1163
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: it's put up or shut up in terms of his future.

1164
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: I actually like this for Connor a lot. Obviously does

1165
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: great things for the Ultimate Fighter. In terms of viewership,

1166
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 2: that to me doesn't really matter one way or the other.

1167
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: But I think he gives you a window into like

1168
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: whatever kind of gives you a little bit of a

1169
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: window anyway, and to whatever kind of state Connor's in.

1170
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: It gets the fan base warmed up. By him because

1171
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: he's been gone for some along and there's been a

1172
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: lot of really bad headlines around him, or at least

1173
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: controversial ones anyway related to both USADA as well as

1174
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: any alleged criminal activity outside of the cage. And it's

1175
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: just been a very very strange time. And even that

1176
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: last fight with Pourier was strange, and his old attitude

1177
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: was strange. There's been a lot of you know, strangeness

1178
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: and distance between himself and the actual game. Right, this

1179
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: kind of gets him a soft landing into the game.

1180
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: It boosts the ratings of the Ultimate Fighter, it gives

1181
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: fans a chance to reconnect with him, and anything else

1182
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: that goes into it. Plus it's going to promote the fight,

1183
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: at least in terms of all the digital assets you

1184
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 2: can create, all the promotional material that's going to create.

1185
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: It does a lot for an eventual fight with Chandler.

1186
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: I want to point out something Folks being like, oh, well,

1187
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: why would UFC two eighty four need to be promoted

1188
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: outside of the actual fight week, which of course starts

1189
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: today or whenever, And it's like, well, this just shows

1190
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: you when they actually plan. Yes, the Ultimate Fighter takes

1191
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: care of a lot of that on its own as

1192
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: the ultimate fighter. But it just goes to show you

1193
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: when the UFC wants to really promote a fight and

1194
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: get very much ahead of it to give it a

1195
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: lot of promotion in the lead time far outside of

1196
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: fight week, they can and they do. They can and

1197
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: they do. It's a great example of it. Different circumstances

1198
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: obviously because of the vehicle of reintroduction, but it won't

1199
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: just be that that promotes the fight. There'll be a

1200
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: ton of other stuff far outside of fight week that

1201
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: does the job as well be seen. I just want

1202
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: to be clear, like with the UFC, they have a

1203
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: very very capable promotional machine. When they want to use it,

1204
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 2: they're wisely using it here. I think it'll be good.

1205
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: Now, look here's the deal. Connor McGregor wins it. And

1206
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: look it's not lost on me style wise, why Connor

1207
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 3: could be confident or even even though I don't agree

1208
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 3: with the lines, I mean, I get how you described

1209
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 3: of why Connor's in this fight and has an opportunity

1210
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: if he wins it, Luke, I mean, dude, he might

1211
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: be fighting for the lightweight title next. That's just how

1212
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 3: that works. But the choosing of pure company man Chandler

1213
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: here to get this type of big opportunity. Is there

1214
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: any element in your eyes that UFC is worried based

1215
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: on Connor's legal issues, based on the fact that you know,

1216
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: it's getting harder and harder to believe the idea that

1217
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: he can go into the phone booth and come back

1218
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 3: out as super mystic back again. Is this a slight,

1219
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: subtle cash out of him at the very top level.

1220
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: Or no, I don't think so cash out. No, I

1221
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't they be more banking on him having like a rebound.

1222
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: Isn't this whole idea to rebound him?

1223
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: Well? I mean you just so. My point was, you

1224
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: just as easily could have gone Tony and it we

1225
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: would have accepted it. Oh, I could have gone a

1226
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 3: veteran like RDA. And I'm not saying that's an easy

1227
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: fight for Connor either, But you're going to the very

1228
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: dangerous ass Chandler, who I know does lose against the

1229
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: super elites. But dude, he fought his ass off against

1230
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: Pourier in defeat, fought his ass off against OLDI Rivera

1231
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 3: as dangerous as shit could wrestle if he wants to.

1232
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: I mean, as much as we talk about, Hey, if

1233
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: Connor wins, anything's possible matchmaking wise, what happens if Chandler

1234
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: wins this one off at Walter.

1235
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: Wait here, Yeah, now that's a problem. That's a problem

1236
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: for Connor. If Chandler wins, unless they win spectacularly, right like,

1237
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: because his wins have been, for the most part pretty

1238
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: goddamn spectacular, that would be a real problem for him.

1239
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: But the truth but it's like it's it's risk reward

1240
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 2: right like the other side. If McGregor gets the win

1241
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: and gets the stoppage, and he would imagine if he

1242
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: wins it would be via stoppage, then you know Connor's

1243
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he launches right back to the front of

1244
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: the division. Because Chandler is a volatile opponent, but he's

1245
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 2: a credible one, he's an exciting one, and we're coming

1246
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: off the Ultimate Fighter. All this would do is put

1247
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: Connor back in a great slot. I know your point,

1248
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: he's tougher than Tony. Maybe Connor wanted a tougher fight, honestly,

1249
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't think it's that tough. And I also,

1250
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: I just want to point out one more time, if

1251
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: Connor's striking is even close to what it was once before.

1252
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: That is a big problem for a guy like Chandler

1253
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: who likes to blitz in and make these big, sweeping motions.

1254
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: A guy like Connor typically typically has eaten those guys

1255
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: for breakfast. It'll be interesting to see if the old content.

1256
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 3: Different time though. I'd be worried about Connor's guest tank

1257
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: if this thing goes you know, a round and a

1258
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: half of batshit craziness. But love the fight. Let's not

1259
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: miss out on that. Really, love the two personalities and

1260
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: what that could mean for tough a vehicle. I try

1261
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 3: to avoid on the most part because it just doesn't

1262
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: entertain me. But I'm I'm gonna be front row for this. Look,

1263
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be fired up. So wow, big opportunities here.

1264
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: I mean, look, worst case scenario with a win for Connor,

1265
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: he could get a poorier trilogy if he really wants

1266
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: or is it at this point are we talking about

1267
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: a fourth fight Luke if he really wanted it?

1268
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1269
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: Or he could he could get a title shot in

1270
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: multiple divisions. I mean, you never know, same thing with

1271
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, how damaging would a knockout loss be?

1272
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: Though I guess it would depend in some levels of

1273
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: what he looked like leading up.

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Speaker 2: It'd be bad. It'd be bad. It'd be very bad.

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Speaker 2: By the way, my friend R. J. Clifford, who is

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Speaker 2: a producer for the some of the stuff that UFC

1277
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Speaker 2: does for their Way In show, he's a host that

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00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: a serious exam as well. He made a point on

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Speaker 2: Twitter I thought was excellent. He writes, quote, Michael Chandler

1280
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Speaker 2: has gotten more out of his two years in UFC

1281
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: then most fighters get in two decades. A title shot,

1282
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: five pay per view appearances against marquee opponents, a tough

1283
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: coaching stick, and then the golden ticket against Connor. I mean,

1284
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Speaker 2: you want to talk about maximizing your time in the UFC.

1285
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: And I made this point on Twitter, and of course

1286
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: Twitter is a place where reading comprehension goes to die.

1287
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Speaker 2: I've noticed that it doesn't really matter what you tweet.

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: People decide what they think it means, even if it

1289
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: bears no relationship to what you actually write, and then

1290
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 2: they have issues with that. But the point I wanted

1291
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: to make me see was that you saw this a

1292
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: lot ten twelve years ago where guys who were in

1293
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: sengoku dream ifl you know you name it well, WC

1294
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 2: got bought out. But you know Bellatour at the time,

1295
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: guys like Alvarez, Hector Lombard when he came over, guys

1296
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: who had already built up a name that were in

1297
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: another organization that the UFC wanted to acquire, they would

1298
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: often get better deals than their contemporaries, who had to

1299
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: put together like enormous wind streaks to reach a commensurate

1300
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: level inside of UFA. They didn't have to do all that,

1301
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: and they typically got better contracts in the end. Now,

1302
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: certainly Michael Chandler has done the most to make himself

1303
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: attractive to the UFC for these fights and for these opportunities.

1304
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: But it just sort of goes to show it is

1305
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: often better to be acquired by the UFC in terms

1306
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: of all the things that might be available to you.

1307
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: Right you have some leverage, they want it. They're going

1308
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: to bring up a little bit more of the brinkstruck

1309
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: to get you or other opportunities, versus just being a

1310
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: homegrown guy who has to fight his way to the top.

1311
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: If Chandler had to fight his way to the top,

1312
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: does he get at age thirty four, I'm going to

1313
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: read you these hooker OLIVERA. Gaichie, Ferguson Poirier, and then

1314
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor. I have to tell you I don't think

1315
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: he does well.

1316
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 3: You have to add the asterisk of I mean, he

1317
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: didn't just come in with a company man quickest way

1318
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: to Dani's Hart mentality. He's doubled and tripled down on it.

1319
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 3: He was willing to go to Abu Dhabi on day

1320
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: one to serve as the backup for a title fight.

1321
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: He was willing to take on any big name and

1322
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: go out there gone. I mean, he's you could argue,

1323
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: if you look, he's fighting in a style that's just

1324
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: not always the smartest in direct correlation to his odds

1325
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: of winning. Yet he's willing to be that guy here

1326
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: for a good time, not a long time. And what

1327
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: you know, it's a tight rope to walk in terms

1328
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: of having enough of a winning record coming out of

1329
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: crazy fights like that to keep getting opportunities. But he's

1330
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 3: been everything Dana White could have dreamed of and then some.

1331
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: So it seems like a special case scenario when making

1332
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: a point like that. But I do get your point. Look,

1333
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Speaker 3: you know what's interesting.

1334
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Speaker 2: But the reason I make the point is because it's

1335
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: backed up by facts. I mean, people want to gloss

1336
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: over and make it be about like all the great

1337
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: work Chandler has done. I'm not taking that away from him.

1338
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: Chandler has done great work. But if you just examined

1339
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: the guys who got cherry picked from other organizations and

1340
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: look at their contemporaries who are already in UFC, and

1341
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: then examine their contracts, they were almost universally it was

1342
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: much better to be acquired, to get to the front

1343
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: of the line without having to fight your way through

1344
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: it the whole way. And I'm just saying, Jess Chandler

1345
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: has more than done what he was asked of, sure,

1346
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: but also coming at at age thirty four, the way

1347
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: he did it put him at the front of the

1348
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: pack without having to do a lot of other things

1349
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: that his contemporaries had to do.

1350
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: It reminds me at twenty thirteen when I was at

1351
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: ESPN and doing big stuff and first started realizing that

1352
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: I can't pay my rent, and somebody important told me, Hey,

1353
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: they're never gonna pay you because you came up with them.

1354
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to leave and one day come back

1355
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: if you had told And that's that's how business works

1356
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. Look, you made a

1357
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: comment about Twitter being such a Twitter is like the

1358
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: last place I feel like you should be because it's

1359
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: got to be just constant disappointment. Because when I examine

1360
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 3: you know, closely, our friendship Luke, and the times that

1361
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 3: I've you know, touched a nerve or hit the wrong

1362
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: button and you've been really pissed off. The purest you

1363
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: ever get pissed off at me is not an inappropriate joke,

1364
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: not miscalculating, you know, Colombian stereotypes. It's when you feel

1365
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: like I feel like you are making an argument in

1366
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: bad faith. You tend to lose your shit at me,

1367
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: even when it's not warranted. That's all you get all

1368
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: day on Twitter.

1369
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the thing is for me, it's like,

1370
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: I don't like any person, over the course of a

1371
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: year is going to have, let's say, on the show

1372
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: like this, a thousand opinions and half are going to

1373
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,479
Speaker 2: be right and half are going to be wrong. That's

1374
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: that's humanity. You can't get around it. So I accept

1375
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: that in the course of doing this job, you are

1376
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: going to say and do wrong things. And I understand

1377
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: that what I What I just cannot tolerate is people

1378
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: not understanding what I am saying because in many cases

1379
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: they don't want to, in other cases they have poor

1380
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: reading comprehension skills, and then deciding that my point is

1381
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: actually something that I'm in no way arguing, in no

1382
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: way advocating, and then going to battle over that, and

1383
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: then you know, being ugly about it afterwards, like I'm

1384
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: not even I'm not even arguing anything you're saying. It's like,

1385
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, let me be wrong about what it

1386
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: is I'm actually saying and I can accept that. What

1387
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: I cannot accept is bad faith and or you know

1388
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: all the other persure that comes with far away.

1389
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: Are you from turning the comments off on your Twitter?

1390
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: No, I don't not at all. I don't care about that.

1391
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: But because you've got tough, thick skin, because you're half Armenian.

1392
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: No, I mean people are gonna have people are gonna

1393
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: say listen, I've recognized that listen. Okay, We're in an

1394
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: industry with people who are hopelessly lost, by and large

1395
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: right hopelessly lost, and so I don't imagine that the

1396
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: role that I'm going to serve with the time that

1397
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: I have in this industry is going to be grand

1398
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: in any kind of way, or that I'm going to

1399
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: be especially convincing to a bunch of people who are

1400
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: desperately lost. But what I do think is possible is

1401
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: to at least introduce ideas that otherwise potentially would not

1402
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: get introduced, or to give advocacy to opinions that maybe

1403
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: get lost or otherwise just not a part of the conversation.

1404
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: So that's I fully expect disagreement. It is only that's

1405
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: the only inevitability with Twitter. The only thing that I

1406
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: ask is that if there's going to be disagreement, just

1407
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: make it about what I'm actually saying and not about

1408
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: what I'm not actually saying. I think that's pretty fair,

1409
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: but tough to do. Apparently tough to do it. Also

1410
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: do this so many people in this fucking industry are stupid,

1411
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: Like I don't care about their opinions like they have

1412
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: they have they you know, these people have been like

1413
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate's great, Like I don't. Your opinion is shit,

1414
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not interested in convincing you. You're not

1415
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: very bright, so what do I care? I would rather

1416
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: just put out the information to the world than If

1417
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: people find it valuable, great, If they don't, that's great.

1418
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: Just be honest about what it is I'm saying and

1419
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: not all right?

1420
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: You see sometimes so sometimes people in this industry make

1421
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 3: say things that make sense. Did you see on Instagram

1422
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: that they asked Jamal Hill a lightning round of questions,

1423
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: including who he thinks the best looking UFC fighter was.

1424
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 2: I did not what did he say?

1425
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: He said? Warrior princess?

1426
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: Who's that?

1427
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, maybe great championship minds think of

1428
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: life like.

1429
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: Who is that? Who's the Warrior Princess?

1430
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 3: SHYANV Listmas, shianv Listmas?

1431
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, do you have your pants on? I'm

1432
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: just curious.

1433
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: I was just relaying information I learned on Instagram, Luke,

1434
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: which is what I do on a daily basis here

1435
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 3: as a journalist.

1436
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, all right, last but not LEAVESB see.

1437
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: I guess it's great news if you're Sergey Spivac. Everyone

1438
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: else I don't know. Derek Lewis is now one in

1439
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: four I believe in his last five. He was submitted

1440
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: in the first round by Saragai Spivac BC. I would

1441
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: like to know your overall impression I watched the fight

1442
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: again this morning, and do Derek Lewis got Big Brother

1443
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 2: like he got thrown around the octagon by Sergei Spivac.

1444
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: What is your biggest takeaway from this fight?

1445
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 3: It's over? I know, Dana White said afterwards that don't worry.

1446
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis is fine. I love him and you know,

1447
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 3: and yes you should. You should love a guy who's

1448
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 3: got a great personality as the most knockouts, right, and

1449
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 3: I think in UFC history and fights in such a

1450
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: straightforward and fun style, but his run of main eventing cards,

1451
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 3: in my opinion, and fighting either elite or guys who

1452
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: are trying to join that elite pool, it's over because

1453
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: how many more times can you see a flat performance,

1454
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 3: an implosion or in this you know, or just straight domination.

1455
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I I was fooled. It seems whether

1456
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 3: that picture that that got me all excited about Derek

1457
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 3: taking this fight super serious was doctored or real or not.

1458
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 3: But what you saw in there, you said, big Brother,

1459
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: I just saw a flat, non inspired you know. This

1460
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 3: is not a shot at Sergey Spivak, who's put together

1461
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: a very good wind streak. This is just the realization

1462
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 3: that this beloved fighter in his late thirties who has

1463
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 3: now lost one like four or five and I think

1464
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 3: been stopped in all of them. It's this was not

1465
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 3: a performance in which he went out on a shield,

1466
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 3: willing to throw big shots and he just got got

1467
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: that that has happened in this run. This was just flat, straight,

1468
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: one sided domination. Derek showed enough light life to get

1469
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: up off the canvas after be taken down early, but

1470
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 3: never able to create separation. And Luke, even the TapouT,

1471
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 3: which you know, it's it's hard for me right to

1472
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 3: criticize any fighter in a choke on the ground, but

1473
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 3: the tap out just seemed like, all right, you got me.

1474
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 3: So the idea of me, even me big Derek lewis

1475
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: fan over here being fooled into. No, this is the time,

1476
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: you know where he's gonna put it back all together.

1477
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 3: Humpty Dumpty's not. You know, you can't do it, Luke,

1478
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: you can't do it. And I love him. Maybe he

1479
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 3: fights out a few more times against up and coming

1480
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: heavyweights on the way up. Maybe he scores another big knockout,

1481
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 3: because when you got that type of power, that's what

1482
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 3: he can do. But I think it might even I

1483
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 3: think it's more mental than physical at this point. I

1484
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: just don't think he has the same level of focus,

1485
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 3: drive and desire that it's certain flashes he showed right

1486
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: even rallying against Volkov in a fight he was losing

1487
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 3: every single second until he wasn't like that was a

1488
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: different Derek Lewis than the one we see now. And

1489
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: even though there's a collection of knockouts in succession, it's

1490
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: not due to a lack of chin. I just don't

1491
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 3: think the fire is there anymore and he can't relight it.

1492
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 3: And I don't know how the UFC can continue to

1493
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: present him as a featured fighter anymore with this amount

1494
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 3: of performances that kind of all look the same. Different elements,

1495
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: different opponents, different ways they ended, but they kind of

1496
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 3: all look the same. And you know, I'm saying that

1497
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: from a guy who loves and respects Derek Lewis's you know,

1498
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: potential and upside. But to me, Luke, it's over.

1499
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: I'll say this BC. I agree that he looked a

1500
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: little listless and lifeless. You know, the way he just

1501
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: got thrown around was just really surprising to me. Like

1502
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: Derek Lewis is typically like not the best grappler or wrestler,

1503
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: but certainly sturdy as a physical presence, and he's been

1504
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: taking down It's not even exactly what I'm saying, but

1505
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: if you have to go back and watch, he just

1506
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: gets like literally like like return to the mat over

1507
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: and over again by a guy who was just like

1508
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: kind of dominating him again. The whole fight was three

1509
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: minutes and five seconds. I just feel like I echo

1510
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: most of what you're saying. The only thing I would

1511
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: add bec where I don't really disagree with what you're saying,

1512
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: but I want to add this part. I do think

1513
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: we should take a second look at this point at

1514
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: Sarah Gay Spibeck. If you haven't already, it's probably time.

1515
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 4: BC.

1516
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: He's just twenty eight years old. By the way, I

1517
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: think tomorrow February seventh is the Black Beast's birthday, so

1518
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: he's thirty eight tomorrow kind of getting up there. But

1519
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: in terms of Sarah Gay Spivak, he's just twenty eight

1520
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: years old. He is now with extreme couture. He's gotten

1521
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: a lot better BC, and I love the way he's

1522
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: able to punch his way into the clinch and from

1523
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: there he can manhandle people he tried to outside trip

1524
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: almost like a like a tay toochie and then went

1525
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 2: the other direction with a with a with a throw,

1526
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: which was just beautiful. He's great from scarf. He was

1527
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: able to get good ground and palate, and by not

1528
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: wasting energy trying to hold down the big fellow kind

1529
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: of let him get to his base and then just

1530
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: unloading and then when he was halfway there, tearing him

1531
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: back down again. Dude, it was just a really well

1532
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 2: executed game plan that had an arm triangle. To get

1533
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: it so fast like that is very difficult to achieve,

1534
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: even if you're I grant that, like I didn't see

1535
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: the most resistance I've ever seen from Dereck Lewis. But

1536
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 2: I just want to point out I think everything you're

1537
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: saying about Derek Lewis as a potential headliner and the

1538
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 2: state of his career not great. At the same time,

1539
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 2: let's not lose out of the fact that Spivak is

1540
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: young and getting way better way quicker. I think we

1541
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 2: also have to acknowledge that.

1542
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 3: I agree with that, and in the run he's put together,

1543
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 3: having won six of his last seven, the only loss

1544
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 3: being stopped by aspinall early. But he recovered from that

1545
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: very nicely and coming back. He's well rounded, he's very confident,

1546
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 3: very young. He just turned twenty eight in January. We normally,

1547
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 3: you know, even in the UFC heavyweight division, don't always

1548
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 3: see guys fully coming to their full potential until earlier

1549
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 3: mid thirties. Are you looking at the potential of an

1550
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 3: all sergey super showdown to find out which one of

1551
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 3: those two guys, Pavlovich or Spivak is coming and which

1552
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 3: one's going? You like that type of matchmaking. Hey, we

1553
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 3: got these two red hot surgeys here, let's make them

1554
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: fight each other.

1555
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: You could do that, You could do that. This is

1556
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: the problem with Spivak's win, Like this is the best

1557
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: win of his career, and this is the best he's

1558
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: ever looked, But because Lewis also looked a little lifeless,

1559
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 2: I don't Here's what I will say. I came out

1560
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: of this fight to myself thinking, wow, Spivak, he looked great,

1561
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: He looked really good. But I didn't think of an

1562
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: obvious matchup next. It didn't necessarily like click, like oh,

1563
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: he'd look that'd be a great fight there, and that

1564
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 2: one would be interesting, and that would be talking It

1565
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 2: sounds like you feel differently. I just didn't have a

1566
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: strong feeling about who would be a great pair for

1567
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 2: him next.

1568
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 3: His last loss before this streak of wenty one six

1569
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 3: of seven was a decision loss to Marchine ty Burro,

1570
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 3: who you know look good enough against blog boy Ivanoff

1571
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 3: on the same card, Luke, I wonder if you run

1572
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 3: that rematch back going, Okay, this is one of the

1573
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 3: rear guys who's beaten Spevac in this promotion and Tybera, look, Luke,

1574
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: you know he's a he's a tough ass out. I mean,

1575
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 3: he's that guy you gotta beat to to prove that

1576
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 3: you're truly coming. So I wonder if that's the better

1577
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 3: matchup here as we sort of sort this.

1578
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 2: Out, truly just coming.

1579
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what that's what Who said that?

1580
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 2: Uh?

1581
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,440
Speaker 3: Sabahu Masi said that he had planned on doing.

1582
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: Lots of jizzy all right, So we'll see what happens

1583
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 2: with with with what's next. But uh, that's our top

1584
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: five PC. There you have it. I believe we don't

1585
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 2: have any other ads, So it's time for DMS from

1586
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 2: dogs BC.

1587
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 3: The digity dog of that he hawt to that absolute bullshit.

1588
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 3: All right, we got we got mail viewers, I think viewers.

1589
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: All RIGHTBC from at Big Underscore Max sixty nine. I mean,

1590
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: can you imagine putting that on your resume? Big what's

1591
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 2: your Instagram handle? Big Mac sixty nine?

1592
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: Dude is a triple underscore? You see that, Luke, just

1593
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 3: to separate him from the other Big Mac sixty nine

1594
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 3: that are out there.

1595
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, you know what's great about that name? It

1596
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: just flows so easily, very easy to find. Great name.

1597
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: All right? Is there a fighter at any division that

1598
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: you guys recommend should move up or down? In wait,

1599
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: Johnny Eblin might explore two oh five at some point.

1600
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy.

1601
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: I don't think that's crazy. He seems to have good

1602
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: size in that regard. Where are you on the idea?

1603
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: I mean? Aljamain Sertin is a defending champion in the

1604
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 3: UFC's you know, deepest weight class, but there has been

1605
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: some some sprinkling of talk that an eventual move up

1606
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 3: to featherweight could be good for him. Do you think

1607
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 3: that's that he could thrive there?

1608
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: Maybe? What about Max Holloway to one to fifty five?

1609
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?

1610
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 3: Well? I mean, you know, some of that is dependent

1611
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: upon what happens in the Arnold Allen matchup, but it's

1612
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 3: I mean, like, how much do we hold against Max

1613
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 3: the when he came up for air in a big

1614
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 3: moment against Dustin Pooria in which he fought his ass

1615
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 3: off at two thirty six and it was a, you know,

1616
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 3: one of the best fights we've seen in these modern times,

1617
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 3: but did not have the fire power at his preferred

1618
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 3: style to one up a guy who could match him

1619
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 3: and had, you know, bigger arsenal. How does Max off

1620
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 3: set as he's aging into his thirties, not having finishing

1621
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: power at one forty five? Can he be a volume

1622
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 3: guy and where you're down, Luke, can he be Can

1623
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: he be more of a ground specials? Max has a

1624
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 3: good ass ground game, but he doesn't lean on it. Right.

1625
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think on fifty five

1626
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 2: is a great place for him. Again, I get we

1627
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: have to see what happens this coming weekend. We're all

1628
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: getting on flights after this, but the reality is Number

1629
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: one versus Number two is gonna be fighting on Saturday,

1630
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 2: and if Volkanowski wins, He's like, I'm gonna defend both

1631
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 2: come on, get the fuck out of here. No, you're not, like,

1632
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: that's just not real. It's not realistic. It's not I know,

1633
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: he is like not lying to the audience. He probably

1634
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: believes he can, but it's just not real. So we'll

1635
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:18,560
Speaker 2: have to see. I don't have a great answer on

1636
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: like who desperately needs to go up or down because

1637
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: no one's like cutting insane amounts of weight like they

1638
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 2: used to or you know what I mean, it's not

1639
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: as obvious as a candidate for it as there once was.

1640
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 2: But all right from at PJ. Hayes seven B see

1641
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: what path would you recommend an MMA prospect take to

1642
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: make the most money in their career?

1643
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 3: Only fans become friends with the Neelk boys, show up

1644
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: on their shows, you get Dana's attention, fight like a

1645
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: badass out of hell, right, a bad out of hell?

1646
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 3: Excuse me? And uh I mean huh yeah, I mean, look,

1647
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 3: you got to market You're You're right, only fans was

1648
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 3: a good comment. You've got to be I mean, you

1649
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 3: know what, how's Patty able to just dance in markets himself?

1650
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 3: Extremely well? Right that he's sort of living on the

1651
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 3: edge in his fight game and getting fat between fights.

1652
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 3: I mean, marketing and finding a financial outlet for that

1653
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 3: is huge, considering that UFC tends to as you get

1654
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 3: in there, cut down on your outside interests, you know,

1655
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 3: for in terms of sponsors and all that that you

1656
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: can bring with you. But I mean it's hard, Luke,

1657
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 3: because would you say the majority of fighters are coming

1658
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 3: through the factory of the Dana White Contender series and

1659
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 3: starting at very low salaries.

1660
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 2: Purposely, let me just tell you it's almost impossible to

1661
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 2: make money in MMA, Like in terms of the amount

1662
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,520
Speaker 2: of people who try promoters, media fighters anyone. It's extremely

1663
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: difficult to make money in this industry. So, first of all,

1664
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 2: what would I recommend? Recommend that if you actually want

1665
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: to make money, don't fight MMA, first of all, because

1666
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 2: unless you're really good and you can get to the

1667
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 2: pay per view side of things, I just don't know

1668
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 2: how that's going to be for you. But I will

1669
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: go back and say one thing BC. We made it

1670
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: before about Michael Chandler and everything else. Again, you go

1671
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: back to Hector Lombard Alvarez, all the guys who got

1672
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: recruited when they were already established names that the hardcores

1673
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: knew that the UFC had to go and pull and

1674
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 2: not Connor who whipped Cage Warriors UFC where he was

1675
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 2: kind of graduating. Yes, going from belt Wore the UFC

1676
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: is a bit of a graduation, but Alvarez was already

1677
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 2: king of the undergrounds. He already had underground, He already

1678
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: had a bunch of belts and so forth. So getting

1679
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: those people like much more senior level, if you can

1680
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 2: get recruited and sign in that way, you can probably

1681
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: get more money. And I would look at someone like

1682
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: aj McKee. Aj McKee is going to get a fair

1683
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: amount of money that he probably would not have necessarily

1684
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: gotten in UFC. And if he eventually signs with him

1685
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: at some point, because he's still, like I think, well

1686
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: under thirty, if he signs with him at some point,

1687
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: he might get a really sweetheart deal and then jump

1688
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: right into pay per view. That could be something. That

1689
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 2: could be something. So, you know, finding ways to make

1690
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 2: yourself attractive to be acquired. But just like I'm going

1691
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: to bite down on the mouthpiece and I'm going to

1692
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: do all the grunt work that no one wants, no

1693
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: one else wants to because I take pride, you know,

1694
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: in my work, habits, in my in my you know,

1695
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 2: commitment to the grind. That's great, that that's noble. That

1696
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: shit ain't going to get you paid. It's not going

1697
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: to get you paid. You have to be very very

1698
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 2: good and you have to be acquired as like some

1699
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: kind of you know, valuable attraction.

1700
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 3: So just or just show your hog on OnlyFans.

1701
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: You can and stop doing this, Like, I mean.

1702
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: Look, what do you think of this movement? We we

1703
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 3: tend to think of it more for female fighters, but

1704
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 3: like you hear a female fighters talk about it, you know,

1705
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 3: and they talk about it from a standpoint of like,

1706
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 3: you know, my body is like an artistic statement. I'm

1707
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 3: proud of it. I want to show it. And also

1708
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 3: the reality of when I do this and only fans,

1709
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 3: I'm I can afford to not have a full time job.

1710
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 3: Now I can train full time at a high level.

1711
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: But what does that say about this industry that that's

1712
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 3: becoming like part of the job, part of the deal.

1713
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: Dude, I've been telling you this, Like you talk to

1714
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 2: media members, I don't know how many are happy with

1715
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 2: their job. You talk to a lot of fighters, I

1716
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 2: don't know how many are happy with their job. You

1717
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: talk to promoters, except like the most successful ones, I

1718
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: don't know how happy they are with their jobs. Like

1719
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: we're happy with our job. We have the best job

1720
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: maybe in the industry. So I want to be clear,

1721
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: like we're extremely lucky. But that's just my point, Like, dude,

1722
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 2: this is not a great industry to work it. It's

1723
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: not like it's actually not great because there are very

1724
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: few jobs. Very few of them pay well. And that's

1725
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: true in any direction that you look. Yes, you see

1726
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: all the big cases of people who have done really well,

1727
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 2: and that's it kind of warps your perspective, but the vast,

1728
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 2: vast majority aren't going to make very much doing it, don't.

1729
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 2: And by the way, to your point about OnlyFans, I

1730
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 2: don't think it's worth clutching your pearls over like, oh,

1731
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: you know, women might be showing skin or even doing

1732
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 2: more than that on OnlyFans. Life short, dude, if you

1733
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: can get some money and get some breathing room in

1734
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: the dude, life is hard enough just making it through

1735
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 2: the day. Just making it through the day is so difficult.

1736
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 2: And then to put together a year and then ten

1737
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 2: and then twenty, it's fucking hard. And if you have kids,

1738
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: it's even harder, and if you don't have a lot

1739
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: of money, it's fucking insanely hard. So you can show

1740
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 2: your and whatever else and you can get some cash,

1741
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: go do it.

1742
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 3: I'm not showing my do it, Okay, I have certain

1743
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 3: I have some limitations and standards. I'm not judging those

1744
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 3: who do. But I'm not I'm not showing it all right.

1745
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 2: I just feel like I understand your point, Like, what

1746
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: does it say that they have to do that because

1747
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 2: they think can't get a fighter purse? But my response

1748
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 2: would be, I don't know how much money there is

1749
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: in the industry. More generally, even if you had a better,

1750
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: more equitable conditions, it would be better, but it still

1751
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 2: would be winners and losers in a very stark kind

1752
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: of way. And more to the point, dude, life is

1753
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: hard and it is short. Get fucking paid. Just get paid.

1754
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean, well, the UFC is Look, there's a lot

1755
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 3: of great right now. We're in a good time for

1756
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 3: the sport, the health of it. I mean, there's there's

1757
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 3: some legit. There's a lot of MMA organizations that are

1758
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 3: above the regional level, maybe not quite competing head to

1759
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: head with the UFC. But but have their own niche

1760
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: have large TV deals, have EXPO and all that, with

1761
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 3: UFC being considered still the extreme elite, but also the

1762
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 3: one that tends to pay you not not as favorably,

1763
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 3: at least compared to the overall financial gain of the company.

1764
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 3: Like at what point does that truly embolden the free

1765
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 3: agent market where you can use that against UFC, you

1766
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like there's a certain you know,

1767
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 3: Francis is a big free agent, Na Diaz can get money.

1768
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: Probably all want to go box because there's no one

1769
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 2: until the industry is changed by force of law Ali

1770
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: Act unionization, you are going to have a real hard

1771
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: time getting paid in the industry period. Like it's just

1772
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 2: going to be very very very very difficult. Some will

1773
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 2: some will do really well, Like Honor is going to

1774
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: do really well. Francis even if he stayed in the UFC,

1775
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 2: would have done really well. Right, he would have made

1776
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: ten million. That's a lot of money. But as long

1777
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 2: as this is the whole point, he can't go to

1778
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 2: any other organization and find other dance partners who he

1779
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: can make a lot of money with because the history

1780
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: is so concentrated on one side, and so even if

1781
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 2: you get someone like a bellator who pays sub but

1782
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: close to fifty percent of their overall revenues to the

1783
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: fighter pay, that's still not as much of a pool

1784
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 2: as it would be for someone else like the UFC,

1785
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: given the control they have over the industry. So, you know,

1786
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: I just keep saying it, like, what's going to have

1787
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 2: change in the dynamics for fighters to get paid? More?

1788
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: Force of law? Force of law? Anything else won't do shit.

1789
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: That's it, okay? At Abernathy, do you guys think the

1790
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: reason we haven't heard about Kolbe fighting anytime soon is

1791
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: his lawsuit against Masvitol. He writes, I would assume if

1792
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 2: he is claiming a brain injury, it would hurt his

1793
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: case by taking a fight, and the more time off

1794
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 2: is more compensation he can get. I'm told that that

1795
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 2: may not be in play anymore, or that there's all

1796
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: kinds of weird ways in which that could be ammudicated

1797
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 2: and it's not necessarily relevant. I don't know the law

1798
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: in Florida, nor do I know the ins and outs

1799
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: of that case, B see, but I think we'll probably

1800
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: see him in twenty twenty three.

1801
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 3: No, I still feel like it's it's dependent upon how

1802
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 3: these matchups play out, and he just wants to kind

1803
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 3: of see from a distance here because he would be

1804
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 3: a very fresh title challenger for Leon Edwards, and he's

1805
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 3: coming off of a pay per view win. So why

1806
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: throw yourself back in the pool and have to fight

1807
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,759
Speaker 3: a you know Tamai Evert or shav Got or whoever?

1808
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: You know, Belala, Sean Brady all those guys when he

1809
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: feels like he's at a certain level of fame where

1810
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 3: he can just get the opportunity. But I don't understand

1811
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 3: the legal implications here of why this would keep him out, Luke,

1812
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 3: is he so?

1813
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 2: So the idea would be right, So the idea would

1814
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, there's a criminal aspect to what Jorge

1815
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 2: allegedly did, there's also a civil component there as well,

1816
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 2: And so if you're claiming that that you suffered a

1817
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,440
Speaker 2: brain injury such that you are entitled to financial compensation,

1818
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 2: Now again, I did not know the law. I'm not

1819
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: a lawyer. I believe the thinking is that if you

1820
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 2: actually did suffer a brain injury, how could you then

1821
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 2: resume a fighting career where you're now building upon this

1822
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: professed and alleged brain injury. How does that square sort

1823
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: of the implication. But the law is tricky. I don't

1824
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 2: really know what it demands.

1825
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 3: We need people on call, like you know, the NFL broadcast,

1826
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 3: they'll have like former head of officials up in a

1827
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 3: studio booth somewhere we can go. We need like John

1828
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 3: s Nash, you know, on call at the moment, Like

1829
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 3: we're like, I don't know what that means for legal

1830
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 3: or fighter pay. Oh, let's call John, right, I mean,

1831
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 3: can you think we could do that? We'll get a

1832
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 3: couple of strawweights on call to Luke just to sort

1833
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 3: some shit out.

1834
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: Put him on put him on speed speed dial. Yeah,

1835
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 2: we do need vertagent. I have friends who are attorneys,

1836
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: But then every time you talk to him, it's like, well,

1837
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: I practice this very particular kind of law. I don't

1838
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: really know what it means for that one. I'm like,

1839
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: didn't you pass the fucking bar man? Can't you just

1840
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 2: can't you just tell me? But they never seem to

1841
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: be able to. All Right, from a friend of the

1842
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: show at telvin Key, Papa b C.

1843
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, you recognize why he's on right there, b C.

1844
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: We have a big week, right, so we're flying out today,

1845
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: and then we have to come back Friday. Then there's Showtime.

1846
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: We have to cover boxing on Saturday. Then after we

1847
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 2: cover Showtime boxing, I have to cover UFC two eighty

1848
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 2: four that night, right, and then the next day is

1849
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. So he's asking, who do you guys

1850
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 2: have winning in the Super Bowl? The Eagles or the

1851
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: chiefs BC. You got to read on this one.

1852
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 3: No, this this has been the calendar year that I

1853
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 3: would say I was the least following NFL and mainstream

1854
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 3: sports because my entire life is my family, this show,

1855
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 3: Luke and Fist fighting.

1856
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: So I don't have a sat Fist family.

1857
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 3: Yes I don't. Yeah, I don't have a great read

1858
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 3: on this bowl here, Luke. I mean, you know, I've

1859
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 3: only missed one Super Bowl, going back to Super Bowl

1860
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 3: twenty one, nineteen eighty seven January, and that was the

1861
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 3: one the Patriot I guess the first Patriots Giants won

1862
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 3: because my kids were born the day before, so I

1863
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: didn't watch that because they had like surgeries that day.

1864
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: Like you know, screw Tom Brady. I got life to

1865
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 3: deal with here, But you know I I do come

1866
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 3: back for the damn bowle Luke, all right, you know

1867
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 3: I could probably beat most in all time Super Bowl trivia.

1868
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 3: But no, I don't know who's gonna win. This is

1869
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 3: Mahomes have a healthy ankle. I don't know where who's

1870
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 3: the Eagles quarterback Nick Foles? Where are we at right now?

1871
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts who bawled out this year?

1872
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, you know.

1873
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I don't know who's gonna win. I mean,

1874
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: hasn't Mahomes like thrown a bunch of picks in his

1875
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: two Super Bowl appearances, like four fucking picks?

1876
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 3: So I don't know, But I'm sure real NFL fans

1877
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 3: love this breakdown we're giving.

1878
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 2: They love it. I'll just say this, I don't really

1879
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 2: like either team, but like the Chiefs fan base, they

1880
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,839
Speaker 2: used to be great upstarts and now they're arrogant Dix

1881
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: and so for that reason, even though you know Philly

1882
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,520
Speaker 2: fans are, I mean, they're just known as absolute fucking scoundrels,

1883
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna say even I have

1884
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,879
Speaker 2: no idea who's gonna win. I'll root for the Eagles

1885
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 2: this time. I'll cheer for the Eagles, and they're not

1886
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,440
Speaker 2: supposed to because their NFC East rivals, but the Commanders

1887
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 2: are just I just sold.

1888
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 3: Both teams play well, Luke, and they're really happy with

1889
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:00,839
Speaker 3: their performance.

1890
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm not. You know what I'm gonna do during the

1891
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: super Bowl. Nothing.

1892
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 3: I hope somebody shows them during the super Bowl. Yeah,

1893
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's about it, all right,

1894
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 3: that's it. You know what I do. Tune into and

1895
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 3: my my wife and kids make fun of me. You

1896
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 3: never watched, like, no, the halftime like Puppy Bowl or

1897
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 3: the Kitten One, Luke when they're like, you know, like

1898
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 3: tackling each other and playing with the yarn and stuff

1899
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 3: like that. You know, maybe I'm an absolute weirdo, but

1900
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 3: that makes me really happy watching that BC.

1901
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: I think I have this right, but I could be wrong.

1902
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: Who is the super Bowl halftime show this year?

1903
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

1904
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 2: I think it's Rihanna.

1905
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 3: I think, yes, Luke, Long Island. Luke and Gaffer come

1906
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 3: from last but not.

1907
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 2: Least we see from at MJ dot heath Over under

1908
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 2: four and a half the number of Brian's jokes that

1909
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 2: Luke no cells in front of a live London audience.

1910
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 2: So I'm taking the over on that. I'm taking the

1911
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: over huge on that.

1912
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, I expect that no cell from you,

1913
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 3: but you know, I'm looking to see if if I'm

1914
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 3: big in the UK. You know, I'm looking to see

1915
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 3: if my material just just sticks to people just you know,

1916
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 3: just yeah.

1917
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: Are you gonna do? You know you of course you're

1918
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 2: going to do traditional Brian Campbell where you walk into

1919
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 2: a room loudly and then fill it with yourself so

1920
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: that no one else can have any room in that way.

1921
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 3: Well, I would you confirm that I had some pretty

1922
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 3: strong ideas for this show that you know, certain people

1923
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 3: got very got very conservative about.

1924
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 2: Our BC wanted to have I can't even explain this

1925
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 2: to you. BC thought that what we were doing was

1926
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 2: like that we had the production staff of American Idol.

1927
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,799
Speaker 2: You know, we could do all of these crazy things

1928
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 2: on set, and they're like, we can't really do any

1929
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 2: of this shit. And he wanted staff whose job it

1930
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 2: is to like hold cameras to then like be part

1931
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: of the show, and like they were all like, we're

1932
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 2: not fucking doing this.

1933
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. You know, you want to

1934
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 3: do a really good live show, or you want to

1935
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 3: do the best live show anyone's ever considered on a

1936
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 3: podcast scale that that makes other corners of the globe go,

1937
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 3: damn we need we need MK. We don't want them,

1938
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 3: we need them. Luke, Okay, I'm not looking. I'm not

1939
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 3: looking to tickle the rim. Luke. Okay, I'm going. I'm

1940
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 3: looking to you know, I'm looking to call to you

1941
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean.

1942
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: Right, a couple of digits and just have fun with it,

1943
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 2: all right, BC, that is it for our top five.

1944
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 2: It is time now for BC's take it away.

1945
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I scovered the globe yesterday, Luke. For the good,

1946
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 3: the bad, the ugly, the high, the low, the in between,

1947
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 3: all that real bullshit we talk about here in combat

1948
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 3: sports and beyond. It's viral videos. It's fun. It's called

1949
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 3: have you seen this? Sh oh god ow ow oh

1950
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 3: oh uh. Yeah, we're gonna do this. We got some

1951
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 3: boxing to get to, but let's start an MMA Belatoor

1952
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 3: two ninety from Inglewood. Here is the slow motion highlight

1953
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 3: of Lorenz Larkin helbowing mucommt Birkham off Luke Nasty Nasty

1954
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 3: bowling for super Nasty.

1955
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 2: You can't really see it from this clip, but he

1956
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: actually turns him and gets him to stop, which is

1957
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: all he needs to then fire that right elbow over

1958
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:57,719
Speaker 2: the top. It's pretty great.

1959
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 3: He's seven and zero with one no contest in his

1960
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 3: last eight since losing his first two belator fights that

1961
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier, and he's done it over two divisions,

1962
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 3: thirty six years old. Still got it, Still got it

1963
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 3: right now.

1964
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 2: Okay, look, he looked great.

1965
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 3: He looked great, absolutely, and you mentioned Johnny Eblin in

1966
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 3: round five took an exhausted anatotally took off and sent

1967
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 3: him to Suplex City with old brock lesnar over there.

1968
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 3: Let's get a replay of that. This was gnarly.

1969
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, picks him up, bah damn. Just a great punctuating

1970
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 2: moment in round five, and then he runs this one down.

1971
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 2: Does he the knee tap? Couldn't quite get it, but

1972
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: great job by a Johnny Eblin, really great job.

1973
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 3: We mentioned Brennan Ward got into that war with Homasi.

1974
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 3: Here's the finish with that high kick in round two.

1975
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 3: Just great stuff. He almost had he almost had Homasi

1976
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 3: turning the wrong way. That's how you know somebody's you know,

1977
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 3: ready to go.

1978
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: Luke, Yeah, dude, he was. I'll say this first fight

1979
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: back on CBS. The guy was covered in blood, perfect.

1980
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 3: Perfect gentlemen, We're on national television, gentleman. Yes, yes, Gus,

1981
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 3: we know, we know, we know. Indeed, Brennan Ward not

1982
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 3: only got the big KO win but got the creepiest

1983
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 3: hug attempt of all time afterwards from j CVD.

1984
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Field hug Field hug Field hog weird hug and

1985
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 2: then they're good.

1986
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 3: I can't believe Jean Claude gave or v D right, Luke,

1987
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 3: I mean, look at this guy. Looks like an old

1988
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: pos right. Look at that hair.

1989
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: JCVD is the man. Don't get me wrong, I love him,

1990
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: but what's up with the hair? Just combing it forward

1991
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: halfway till it was got the lebron haircut there, you

1992
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1993
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 3: So they didn't know if they shore, they didn't know

1994
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,879
Speaker 3: if they're hugging, kissing high five, and it was very awkward.

1995
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 3: But I was told by people to look up John

1996
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 3: Claude Van Dam's attempt at hugging fad Or back in

1997
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 3: the Pride day. So let's flash back, Luke. Here's what

1998
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 3: we got back in the day. That's decent, kind of creepy,

1999
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 3: but look at that face from John cl oh boy, Okay,

2000
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 3: do you see that face at the end, Luke, that's

2001
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 3: the I just want to make love to you.

2002
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 2: That's a man who's got Casey and Jojo singing love

2003
01:29:58,479 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 2: songs in his head.

2004
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 3: All his life. Luke, He's just he's been waiting for

2005
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 3: a man like fad Or. I mean I have two

2006
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:08,480
Speaker 3: to be fair, you know, all right? Uh Luke? Heavyweight

2007
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 3: Ali Issaiev had a fight, sucked, fought to a draw

2008
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 3: with Steve Mahwer. Even though big Steve got full mount,

2009
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 3: he couldn't finish him off. But did you see Ali's

2010
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: corner nearly came to blows. Explain this to me.

2011
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, we don't know what it's about. But

2012
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: the dude with the first of all, these guys just

2013
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: have gandolf beards, the one to get the hat backwards,

2014
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: and then this dude in the front. They're having some

2015
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: kind of disagreement. Then they stand and then this woman

2016
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 2: comes over her she's with the commission first of all,

2017
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 2: like tough lady by the way, getting in between two

2018
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: weird ass corners. But they're just yelling and you know

2019
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 2: whatever fucking language, and we don't know what it's about.

2020
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 3: You think he was like, in my culture, we don't

2021
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 3: respect authority from women. I hope not, Luke, I hope not.

2022
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope not. I'll just say yeah, I hope.

2023
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 3: All right, let's let's move on before we get in trouble. Hey,

2024
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 3: UFC from the Apex Luke. This went on at three

2025
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 3: a m. Somebody must have been lonely. Hey, let's play

2026
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 3: some sound. Here's bantamweight Rinya Nakamura Kao won ing Tashiomi

2027
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 3: Kazama in a real breakthrough moment here. Let's let's listen

2028
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 3: to see.

2029
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 2: That's what makes it crazybody.

2030
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: Not mura.

2031
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 2: Zoom sucks and I can't hear anything, but.

2032
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah that the sound tends to get swallowed in zoom.

2033
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 3: But dude, Nakamura of all the Korean fighters that had

2034
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 3: done the reality show with UFC and we're looking to

2035
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 3: make a splash hair, dude, he made a huge one.

2036
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 3: You got to give him that.

2037
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 2: His last name is Knakamura. Yes, yeah, so he's Japanese.

2038
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 3: Then you're right, You're right, chins Ke Nakamura, the famous wrestler.

2039
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 3: But was he on that Korean show or am I

2040
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 3: the road?

2041
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 2: He might have been, Yes, I think he might Okay,

2042
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: I think.

2043
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 3: That's the reference I was making, which is why his

2044
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 3: shorts were like of the Dana White Contender series kind,

2045
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 3: not the UFC Venom deal kind.

2046
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 2: So there by the way, I haven't watched it yet,

2047
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: but I saw like the ads or it popped up

2048
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 2: I open them Netflix, and you know how like it'll

2049
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 2: play the trailer for a show if you just leave

2050
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 2: it like covered on whatever it is on the cursor

2051
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 2: and the show physical one hundred. Have you seen it? No,

2052
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 2: So it's some kind of like I think Japanese game

2053
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: show and they brought it. I don't know the premise fully,

2054
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 2: but I know they open up it looked like the

2055
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Squid Games and they open up this room and it's

2056
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 2: like all of these people who are like insanely fit,

2057
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 2: all like either Japanese or you know, I don't know

2058
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 2: all their ethnicities, but certainly I did see this. One

2059
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 2: of the contestants on the game show is Yoshihiro a Kayama,

2060
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 2: Sexy Yama, and they all go there. All the dudes

2061
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: have to take off their shirts and they're all fucking yoked.

2062
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 2: Sexy Aama was not the only yoked one. He was

2063
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 2: he had competition.

2064
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 3: Look I apologize. I've been shaken because I got to

2065
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 3: take a whiz, so the microphone's been bumping, and our

2066
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 3: producers told me, like, people are probably mad at me,

2067
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 3: but all good, moving forward, here we go. I gotta

2068
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 3: see that. If Sexyama's in a reality show, I got

2069
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 3: to see it. Luke, all right, I've been I've been

2070
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 3: caught up on season two of The White Lotus. Does

2071
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 3: any show make elite white people more unlikable than that one? Luke,

2072
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 3: that's a fantastic they are.

2073
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just the whites that are unlikable in

2074
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 2: that show. That's the good part about it. Just about

2075
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: everybody is.

2076
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, let's go back of the UFC octagon. Here's

2077
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,759
Speaker 3: Flyway Tatsura Tyra with a submission in the first round.

2078
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 3: This is the opening fight of the night against heyesus Aguilar.

2079
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 3: That was gnarly. Luke.

2080
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a weird one because they're both repped

2081
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,520
Speaker 2: by the same management company.

2082
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 3: And Jason House.

2083
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well I think it's Iridium, right, and uh

2084
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: so they're both repped by Iridium and Tyra was a

2085
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 2: minus twelve fifty favorite. I think plus seven to fifty

2086
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 2: plus eight to fifty four Aguilar. I don't know why

2087
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 2: a file like that would get booked if they have

2088
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 2: the same manager, but you think they were cashing the wonders.

2089
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 3: Never sees in this punishing him for something he got

2090
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 3: punished in that one, Luke, tough to see. Uh, let's

2091
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 3: listen to this, Luke. Jean Young Lee had a big

2092
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 3: win on this card, and he's got a fucking plan

2093
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 3: for what he's gonna do after a split decision win

2094
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 3: over Yiza speak English.

2095
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: I have a plan.

2096
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 3: Then you get next Topuria, next mex to Bokski.

2097
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 2: That's my fucking plan.

2098
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy's great, dude.

2099
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 3: How good is that for?

2100
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 2: First?

2101
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 3: I love the balls of being like, here's my plan,

2102
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna beat this guy then all the way

2103
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 3: and then I'm taking the title from Volkanowski. But to

2104
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 3: hammer it home with that's my fucking plan. It's like, yeah,

2105
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 3: you're damn right. It is yeah, and not in.

2106
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 2: Your native language. It's tough. Good for him, It's.

2107
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 3: Tough, well done. Jong Young Lee is his name. I'm

2108
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 3: gonna be watching him moving forward. Hey, let's catch up

2109
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 3: on some other MMA violence from around the globe. Luke,

2110
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 3: let's go to Shootou Brazil. Here's six foot four welterweight

2111
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 3: Jose Enrique Susa sending Alan Silva to the Land of

2112
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 3: the ghost but he called him on first watch this.

2113
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 2: Bopee dude.

2114
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 3: Was that a front kick to the face. Damn. I

2115
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 3: love that He called him forward too. He's like, come

2116
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 3: get this smoke. It's here for you, bro.

2117
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. You notice he chased along the fence line. He

2118
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 2: didn't corner him. See he's chasing. He's not cornering him

2119
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 2: off and cutting the cage off. He just runs right

2120
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,759
Speaker 2: into it. Like anytime. Here's a rule of thumb, anytime

2121
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 2: you see someone not cutting them off, but then following

2122
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 2: them around the cage, like they're both along the fence

2123
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 2: line running that way. Like per Doom versus Miochich. The

2124
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 2: person doing the pursuing is gonna see the land of

2125
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 2: wind and ghosts. It's going to happen.

2126
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right about that, Like like Kimbo versus

2127
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 3: Seth Petrozzelli.

2128
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 2: Luke, it's a little different, but you know a little different.

2129
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to fame Mma. Here's Alan Kwazinski. I

2130
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 3: think he's a Polish fellow. Luke with a uh, that's

2131
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 3: the best running front kick Ko, I've ever seen your thoughts, Lucas.

2132
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 2: That's nuts, my lord. See it again, he's pumped.

2133
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 3: Look at all those advertisements on them or those just

2134
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 3: bad tats. I can't figure it.

2135
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Out by combination of column A column be there, all right,

2136
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 2: got a lot of him celebrating. Let's see the let's

2137
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 2: see the let's.

2138
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 3: See, let's see the shot. Look at this dude, good lord, Luke,

2139
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 3: you don't see that successfully pulled off too often in

2140
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 3: elite circles.

2141
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 2: That's nice, damn all right.

2142
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 3: Hey, also at Shootau Brazil. How about heavyweight kleeber Sin

2143
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 3: Tavares in a title fight for the heavyweight strap against

2144
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,879
Speaker 3: Andre Vieta. Look at this finish, and look how fired

2145
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 3: up your guy is with salt and pepper to boot here,

2146
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 3: just bleed right.

2147
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 2: That's gonna be you getting off the plane in Dallas.

2148
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 3: That guy loves it in the crowd. Yeah, but look

2149
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 3: at it. First of all, great knockout, then he walked

2150
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 3: over him, then he laid on him. Yeah, that's your

2151
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 3: new heavyweight champion right there. I got badass.

2152
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: He looks like a dude who's seen some shit. I'll

2153
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 2: say that.

2154
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, look remember that time mislam Maha, you have

2155
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 3: accused Dana White of not properly promoting Saturday's UFC two

2156
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 3: eighty four card in Perth. He might be onto something.

2157
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 3: Let's go to Dana from Saturday night.

2158
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 4: When you have the number one versus number two pound

2159
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 4: for pound guy guys in the world fighting each other,

2160
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 4: like you said in their prime, it never It's never happened.

2161
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 4: If you think of all the fights that we've done

2162
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,879
Speaker 4: in the UFC. So you know when you talk about legacy,

2163
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 4: if Volkanovsky could pull this off, it's obviously massive. And

2164
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 4: if if you know, yeah, you can pull it off,

2165
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 4: it's you know, he's on his way to building an

2166
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 4: incredible legacy.

2167
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 3: Look, who's the heat that he's talking about. I didn't

2168
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 3: I didn't catch.

2169
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: That, no clue, couldn't couldn't figure it out.

2170
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 3: Is that slap Jesus he was he was thinking of.

2171
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 3: Look I couldn't, I couldn't get it.

2172
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I mean, here's the thing, like in

2173
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 2: the defensive Dana, like you know, the older I get

2174
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 2: like our brains can't have the recall that they used

2175
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 2: to either candidly, you know how many times with the

2176
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 2: show like what's the guy's name.

2177
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, to Suarez. We butchered that a few times.

2178
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few times. So like where we're we're not

2179
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 2: or not, you know, it's not it's in fairness to him.

2180
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 2: Like at you know, midnight or one in the morning

2181
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 2: and you're having a hard time doing the recall on

2182
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 2: the other on the other side, you see the optics

2183
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: not great, not great.

2184
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 3: Not great at all. And thank you for all those

2185
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 3: times you put pay per views late on the East Coast, Luke,

2186
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,799
Speaker 3: because that's what we're like trying to write our deadline stories.

2187
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 3: We're like, what's that guy again that just fought? I'm

2188
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, there you go, all right, Hey, Luke,

2189
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 3: Dana will not he won't do that, right, He'll do

2190
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 3: anything for love, but he won't promote two eighty four

2191
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 3: on the level that Islam wants. You know what else

2192
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 3: Dana won't do, Luke, high flying, dangerous attempts like this

2193
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 3: guy this ain't why am I cliffs? But check that out?

2194
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 2: Well he's I guess he's stuck the landing. Well, I mean,

2195
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 2: I just can't believe that he's WHITEBC.

2196
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 3: It's dude, look at that is that parkore over power

2197
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 3: lines That's why.

2198
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but I just know

2199
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 2: this dude's dying early. I mean, yeah, he's not gonna

2200
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: live to see forty, right, Like.

2201
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 3: What a way to go out though, doing what he loves, Luke.

2202
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not that noble, not that all right.

2203
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 3: Look remember that scene in Half Baked where Dave Chappelle

2204
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:10,799
Speaker 3: walks in on his uh on his girlfriend Mary Jane,

2205
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 3: and she's got weed and he's like.

2206
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 2: You smoke.

2207
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 3: We could have been hanging out from the beginning, but

2208
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 3: it was really a trap. It was like an intervention.

2209
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,679
Speaker 3: This video got me feeling the same thing. Hey, Aerol Hawani,

2210
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: we could have been hanging out since the beginning. Bro

2211
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 3: we smoke with Ariel before him and haw Yeah Hall

2212
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 3: smokes marijuana. No, no, we smoke smoke. That this argument,

2213
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 3: there's still a few of us that don't like it.

2214
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 2: I would have. We're sober guys, so yeah, we've been

2215
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 2: like all three of us are we've lost our license

2216
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 2: to smoke marijuana.

2217
01:39:53,680 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 3: That was really you know, you know that side we smoked.

2218
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 2: We smoke. God, I'm glad I didn't enounciate that word.

2219
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 3: You know, common misconception there, Luke I was like, man,

2220
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 3: we could have been we could have been bros with

2221
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 3: this guy for a long time.

2222
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 2: I can confirm I have never smoked with every whole wrning.

2223
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 2: I can confirm that. Okay, okay, I have also not

2224
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 2: smoked with him.

2225
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 3: Would you rather smoke with Chail or Steve O?

2226
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 2: Neither? I mean, that's a nightmare blood rotation.

2227
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I.

2228
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 2: Think I think they're both. But like, here's the thing.

2229
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 2: It's like, I think they're both. I loved you, we

2230
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 2: had you on the show. Like Chill's great. I don't

2231
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 2: know Sivo, but he seems like he's a peaceful due

2232
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 2: these you know, there's nothing wrong with either of them.

2233
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I want to like do

2234
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 2: drugs with them. That's a different kind of consideration, you know.

2235
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,719
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. Look, let's hit boxing from the weekend.

2236
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 3: We got a lot of high points here. Let's go

2237
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 3: to the theater at Madison Square Garden in the Hulu

2238
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,959
Speaker 3: Theater one hundred and twenty six pounds undisputed championship. Amanda

2239
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 3: Serrano and Erica Cruz went blood and guts for ten rounds.

2240
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 3: Here's a little sampling of the action between them.

2241
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this this fight had like most

2242
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 2: punches thrown in a women's title fight in history.

2243
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 3: It was wild, this fight.

2244
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 2: Something insane, these two getting after it.

2245
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 3: Cruz got a cut on on our hairline from a headbutt,

2246
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 3: but then we weren't sure at the end of this

2247
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 3: fight if Serrano was cut her it was Cruise's blood

2248
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 3: all over her. But Luke, here's the final sequence in

2249
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,719
Speaker 3: round ten. I mean they went start to finish balls out.

2250
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 3: I give a lot of respect to both ladies.

2251
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: I mean she's literally Cruz is just square, bent over

2252
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 2: forward and just winging these those esac Cruz punches. You

2253
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about.

2254
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, let's chat about this fight for

2255
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 3: a second. You could take that video down there, Luke,

2256
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 3: San I'll get end up getting somewhat wide scores. Two

2257
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 3: of them were eight rounds to two, which I didn't

2258
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 3: fully agree with. I thought there's a solid four rounds

2259
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 3: you can give Cruise. But did you end up watching

2260
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,799
Speaker 3: this fight? What'd you think about Soronald's performance overall?

2261
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 2: I thought I thought she was not as dominant I

2262
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 2: did watch. I thought she was not as dominant as

2263
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 2: I thought she was going to be. I agree that

2264
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 2: she won, not as comfortable. I basically share your concerns.

2265
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,799
Speaker 2: I didn't think that the scorecards really reflected how accurate

2266
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 2: it was. Also, Cruise is a tough opponent, but not

2267
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 2: the same as Katie Taylor, so I don't want to

2268
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 2: read too much into it either way. Tough opponent for Serrano,

2269
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 2: but she she got a job done. She was the

2270
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 2: deserving victor, and there's no controversy. Yeah, but hard to

2271
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 2: know about how much it might mean for a rematch. Right.

2272
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 3: Well, look, I wasn't sure watching it live if this

2273
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 3: was her slowing down or if it was just sort

2274
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 3: of a I didn't love Toronto style. So basically, in

2275
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 3: the first half of the fight, Cruse Sronald's not used

2276
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 3: to fighting South pass. She said as much coming in,

2277
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 3: and you got to give Cruz credit. She ducked her

2278
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 3: head down and just threw the same kind of a

2279
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 3: three punch combination over and over again. But it made

2280
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 3: it hard for her to get countered. She was landing

2281
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 3: to the body. Then she started landing some pretty big

2282
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 3: hooks against Serrano, where it felt like Amanda just wanted

2283
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 3: to stand in there, go go punch her punch, you know,

2284
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 3: Walmano e Womano, Luke, and and see what happens. And

2285
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 3: it really even though Serrano hurt Cruise in round six

2286
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 3: and kind of visibly wobbled her, I feel like she

2287
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 3: really won the fight from round seven through nine by

2288
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 3: actually listening to her corner jabbing from distance, landing combos

2289
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 3: from distance. It was almost as if she got learned

2290
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 3: into a brawl, figured hey, I'm comfortable doing this when

2291
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, if she stayed on that course, she may

2292
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 3: have lost this fight. I mean, look, the judges ended

2293
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 3: up kind of doing this wide in the end, but

2294
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 3: that key strategical change I think was really what won

2295
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 3: it for So I don't think she's necessarily getting too

2296
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 3: old or anything like that, but she had someone in

2297
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 3: front of her who was a little bit awkward and

2298
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 3: was not willing to go away. I give Erica Cruz

2299
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 3: a ton of credit. You know, it was Mexico versus

2300
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico, and she she showed out in this one.

2301
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 3: Depite the loss, well the victory, Luke, we'd wondered when

2302
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 3: we're going to do this big rematch. They announced it

2303
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 3: right after the fight March, sorry, May twentieth. It'll be

2304
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 3: on his own it'll be somewhere in Ireland. We don't

2305
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 3: know the venue yet, but Katie Taylor was ringside, she

2306
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 3: came in the ring and here we are Luke must

2307
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 3: See TV. The arguably the greatest women's fight of all

2308
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 3: time is going to get a rebooking Your thoughts.

2309
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 2: Pictures amazing with all the belts. I hope they make

2310
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 2: it in Croke Park. I hope they make it soon.

2311
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 2: Cannot wait, cannot wait again. My only complaint is I

2312
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 2: think the rules are bs in terms of two minute

2313
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 2: rounds and they don't do twelve. They only do ten.

2314
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 2: I hate that part, but okay that aside, those are

2315
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 2: commission choices and I just got to say, I don't

2316
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,879
Speaker 2: know what on earth anyone could hate about this rematch,

2317
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 2: especially if they put it in Croke Park. Historic, historic

2318
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 2: meeting between two all time greats and women's boxing. So

2319
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 2: love it.

2320
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,799
Speaker 3: This is going to be the first time in boxing history. Granted,

2321
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 3: the four belt era is only what twenty twenty five

2322
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 3: years old, but this is the first time a four

2323
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 3: belt undisputed champion, which Taylor is at lightweight, will be

2324
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 3: welcoming a challenger who's also a reigning four belt undisputed champion,

2325
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 3: of which Serrano is at featherweight, Gonna move up two

2326
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 3: weight divisions again to take on Taylor, and look if

2327
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 3: it was three minutes per round, Yeah, I feel like

2328
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 3: that benefits Serrano, who did have Taylor hurt at you know,

2329
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 3: particularly one big time in the mid rounds of that

2330
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:28,679
Speaker 3: first fight. You wonder if she's got that additional minute,

2331
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 3: could could she have stopped her?

2332
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 2: Dropping her changes a lot. But until we do it, yeah,

2333
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 2: it's like I don't know what to say, you know.

2334
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, Friday night, Glendale, Arizona. Dude, we got some

2335
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 3: people calling an instant classic. It was theater. It was

2336
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Navarette moving up to a third weeight division fighting

2337
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 3: for a vacant title at one thirty and Liam Wilson

2338
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 3: of Australia would not go away. Here's the round four

2339
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 3: knockdown which created that long count controversy afterwards.

2340
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he hit him after his gloves touched the canvas,

2341
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 2: but okay, whatever, and then this is how it ended.

2342
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 2: As you can see, I was here from the caption again.

2343
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:11,799
Speaker 2: On that knockdown, Navarette eventually got twenty seven seconds twenty

2344
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 2: seven seconds to recover by happenstance do you believe BC

2345
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 2: that he dropped the mouthpiece on purpose because he might?

2346
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 2: It would be a very veteran move to do that.

2347
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be, and we've certainly seen it done

2348
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 3: correctly in the past to buy yourself some big time

2349
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 3: corrales against Castillo in the first fight. Even though he

2350
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 3: ended up getting penalized when he did the second time,

2351
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 3: the point didn't matter in the long run because he

2352
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 3: rallied for the knockout victory. We've seen people get just

2353
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 3: straight up penalized for it in the past. But yes,

2354
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 3: I do think that was the case, but I don't

2355
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 3: cry the same level of controversy at all. Now, look

2356
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 3: when you watch a video that has a timerund it

2357
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 3: that Dan Kenobio tweeted out, did he get twenty seven seconds? Yes?

2358
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,640
Speaker 3: But here's why I don't think it was actually controversial.

2359
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 3: Navarette got to his feet in about two and a

2360
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,640
Speaker 3: half seconds. He was never not going to beat the

2361
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 3: eight count. Was it per refereeing? No, But what the

2362
01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 3: referee does have to do in these circumstances is get

2363
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 3: the mouthpiece back in. It's not like the referee went

2364
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 3: and got it rinsed off. He shoved it right back

2365
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 3: in Navaretti's mouth, And if you're a referee in the

2366
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 3: modern days, you do have to kind of look at them,

2367
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 3: watch them take a side step. Sometimes you see the referees,

2368
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 3: you know, call them forward. He did have to in

2369
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 3: the moment, just make sure Navaretti was okay. But what

2370
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 3: are you going to say about the heart of both guys,

2371
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,760
Speaker 3: Luke Liam Wilson in this big moment. He was a

2372
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 3: late replacement opponent. Dude, he's fought his ass off. Man,

2373
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 3: do you think Navaretti can compete in this weight division,

2374
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 3: because there are questions of that after this performance.

2375
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, we need to see him against someone else.

2376
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 2: But I think I don't know how. It's not even

2377
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 2: his punching power that I have or his ability to

2378
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 2: hurt opponents and put him away. I necessarily have a

2379
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 2: question about his sturdiness against them. I think is certainly

2380
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 2: a question here.

2381
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, big performance from Leam Wilson in defeat, and

2382
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 3: I do have questions. If you know, not Rete's Crafty's awkward,

2383
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 3: but once he figured out how to land that punch

2384
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 3: from distance at the tenor of the fight kind of changed.

2385
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,719
Speaker 3: But I don't know if he's got big time power

2386
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:11,680
Speaker 3: at this weight class to really move people. It took

2387
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,719
Speaker 3: him a while to wear Wilson down. On this undercard,

2388
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:20,440
Speaker 3: US Olympic medallist Richard Torres Junior continued his unbeaten start. Luke, Unfortunately,

2389
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 3: he's fighting kind of cans, but he's crushing them right now.

2390
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 2: He's crushing them. He's crushing him. It's the early part

2391
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:27,640
Speaker 2: of his career and he's got a little bit of

2392
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 2: a claim, so they're putting him in fights that everyone's

2393
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 2: gonna be like, always crushing cans. He's so new, he's

2394
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 2: supposed to be. This is how the game works. When

2395
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 2: you're like a decent prospect on your way up, they

2396
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 2: give you fights that are increasingly difficult, but ones that

2397
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 2: you're supposed to win up until about fifteen twenty fights

2398
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 2: in or whatever it ends up being, and then you

2399
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:48,640
Speaker 2: get the really tough ones. We're supposed to get the

2400
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 2: tough ones. So yeah, he's beating up the dudes he's

2401
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 2: supposed to beat up, but BC he is hurting them.

2402
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 2: These boys can't get much to them.

2403
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,639
Speaker 3: Get that uppercut, that's beautiful from a South Paul heavyweight.

2404
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 3: That's a good looking punch right there. Let's not for

2405
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 3: get about Alicia Bomgardner Luke. She was in the co

2406
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,759
Speaker 3: main event on his own below Serrano, in her own

2407
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 3: undisputed championship fight at one thirty. Her opponent came in.

2408
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,680
Speaker 3: I forgot the chicks name. I forgot the fighter's name. Look,

2409
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 3: I just called her a chick too. What a double

2410
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 3: embarrassment by me, A strong fighter who came in and

2411
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,559
Speaker 3: address Luke. But once they actually touched gloves and let

2412
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 3: it go, dude, Bob Gartner's power, her timing, her footwork.

2413
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 3: This was a very impressive performance. Two knockdowns and then

2414
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 3: the eventual stoppage.

2415
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 2: She looked great bomb Gardner, and then, by the way,

2416
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,879
Speaker 2: was shitting on MICHAELA. Mayer and her post fight comments.

2417
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,759
Speaker 2: She has turned into a star attraction in women's boxing,

2418
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 2: and it's no accident. She's great.

2419
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 3: So she's at one thirty where she's now the undisputed champion.

2420
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 3: She's got Tony Harrison as her trainer, so she's really

2421
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 3: making some big gains here. I wonder, Luke. I still wonder.

2422
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 3: Obviously the rematch with Mayor will be big eventually when

2423
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 3: it happens, but with Serrano and Taylor having that big

2424
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 3: rematch at thirty five. This is one thirty. Could Bombgartner

2425
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 3: be a long range you know opponent for either one

2426
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 3: or short short opponent in terms of making big fights.

2427
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 3: It's something to watch because she's really made some big

2428
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 3: gains in a short period of time. Alicia Bong Thunder. Oh,

2429
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 3: let's go to some random fails here. You know, that's

2430
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 3: what we do. Were you a big double Dutch guy

2431
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 3: as a kid.

2432
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,639
Speaker 2: Luke, All the kids in my class were, but no.

2433
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 3: People forget, before video games got really good, we would

2434
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 3: go outside with a with with some weird ass giant

2435
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 3: jump ropes and do stuff like this, Luke. I just

2436
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 3: didn't have you know, fatality endings like this guy. Well

2437
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't really going flips. Yeah, it's just.

2438
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,439
Speaker 2: That he gets, I mean he gets, he gets like,

2439
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 2: there's no way that was gonna work without your feet

2440
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 2: getting tangled, Like what are you doing?

2441
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:42,560
Speaker 3: No? All right, let's go to the basketball court. You

2442
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 3: ever see these high school cheerleaders, Luke. They can flip

2443
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,839
Speaker 3: all the way across the arena like blindly. It's crazy.

2444
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're insane athletes. Look at this, she's kind of

2445
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 2: headed in the raw direction.

2446
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 3: Oh the crowd loves it too. Look, the crowd loves

2447
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 3: it after she gets hit.

2448
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bacy, I want to see that in an

2449
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 2: MMA fight with someone just flip all the way over

2450
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 2: to the side and the other person's so dumbfounded they

2451
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 2: just get hit. Any way.

2452
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, once Michelle Paneda washes out of the UFC down

2453
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:13,679
Speaker 3: the road, Luke, it does like the regional circus circuit.

2454
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 3: He's going to be doing moves like that.

2455
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 2: There's no question. I love it all right.

2456
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,879
Speaker 3: Finally, our other fails from the champagne bottle. This happens,

2457
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 3: It happens.

2458
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 2: Do people not know how to take off champagne? Oh,

2459
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 2: she's just gonna get She's gonna eat it. Huh yeah,

2460
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,599
Speaker 2: there you go. There it is. Oh boy, do people

2461
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 2: not know how to take it off?

2462
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:34,719
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I kind of get the feeling.

2463
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 3: That's not the first time that's happened to her, maybe

2464
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:37,719
Speaker 3: the first time with an actual bottle.

2465
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 2: But my family is no longer in the bottle of

2466
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 2: wine business, but they were for some time, and so

2467
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert. I want to be very clear

2468
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 2: about that. They are, but one of the things that

2469
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 2: they showed me was how to take off. Whenever you

2470
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 2: have any cork like this, you typically once you should

2471
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 2: have a hand on the thing, once you undo the

2472
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 2: little metal piece that holds the cork, and then get

2473
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 2: a towel and then slowly turn it and as you do,

2474
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 2: actually it'll it'll naturally four it's way out. But when

2475
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 2: you just pop it open like that, that's when it

2476
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 2: fucking giz is everywhere. So you know.

2477
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 3: That you and I are really good at this podcasting game,

2478
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 3: as evidenced by where we'll be Wednesday night. All right,

2479
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 3: King's Court or King's Kings something one of the kings

2480
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 3: is there, King's Place, King's Cross, King's Cross. You ever

2481
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 3: come across somebody in a regular nine to five who's

2482
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 3: just a master at what they do and and you realize, look,

2483
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 3: they've they've they've perfected the art. Check out this guy

2484
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:36,839
Speaker 3: at the movie theater. Now, you know, do I question

2485
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 3: whether that's actually butter on there? Sometimes based on his hygiene, maybe,

2486
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 3: but this is elite level skills right here.

2487
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I'm gonna say. At first, I

2488
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 2: thought he was just doing the Tom Cruise cocktail shit

2489
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 2: where I'm just moving around for no good reason, just

2490
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,600
Speaker 2: to add some dramatic flare, and I'm taking longer to

2491
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:56,639
Speaker 2: make the popcorn, and ordinarily I would, but he's making

2492
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 2: the butter go in stages on the popcorn rock.

2493
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 3: He knows what he's doing here.

2494
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 2: And then by the way he spins it like and

2495
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 2: you see the popcorn come up as he spins it,

2496
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 2: which kind of washes it through all of the popcorn.

2497
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 2: I gotta say ten out of ten for the big

2498
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:12,639
Speaker 2: fella here, ten out of ten.

2499
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 3: Big win, big win for the fat fella. But not

2500
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 3: all fat guys take wins on this in this UH segment, Luke,

2501
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:23,000
Speaker 3: let's let's go to the Arctic, let's go to Russia.

2502
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 3: What give it his gross?

2503
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 2: Why don't you get a concussion with that hypothermia?

2504
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 3: He go, there you go, it's a package deal, Luke.

2505
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 3: That's great, great work by that guy. Hey, it's it's

2506
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,760
Speaker 3: time for a grandson of the Greatest update, Luke. Nico

2507
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 3: Ali Walsh scored a decision victory on the undercart of

2508
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 3: this top rank card. People seem to be still mixed

2509
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 3: on his growth potential as a fighter. But he's posing,

2510
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 3: posing like he's Johnny Walker there. Remember when they held

2511
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 3: up Johnny Walker and his junk was out front, Luke.

2512
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 2: That was good. This is how BC sits on the

2513
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:09,639
Speaker 2: New York City subway right here.

2514
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I want the world to see what I've got

2515
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 3: going on there. It is yep. But that's not the

2516
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 3: only grandson of the greatest who's making some rounds on

2517
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 3: the internet. Did you see Layla Ali posted a picture

2518
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 3: of her son who looks exactly like a young Cassius Clay.

2519
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 2: Jesus, Wow he does, wow.

2520
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 3: Wow, amazing.

2521
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the other ones all have like Ali in

2522
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 2: their name, but then they bear no resemblance to him. This,

2523
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 2: this this young fellow does, isn't his data?

2524
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 3: Curtis Conway, the x NFL receiver, I couldn't tell you,

2525
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 3: all right, I think that might be true. So he's

2526
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 3: probably you know, great jeans, Luke, great gens.

2527
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 2: Where are all the elderly people falling off skateboards? I'm

2528
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 2: really disappointed with his best.

2529
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 3: Let's play a new game. It's called does this guy fuck? Luke.

2530
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 3: I'll play the video. You tell me if this guy fucks.

2531
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:58,080
Speaker 3: All Right, there we go, let's go to the dance floor.

2532
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:03,880
Speaker 2: Oh, he's fucking. I don't know what he's fucking, but

2533
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 2: he's fucking Oh.

2534
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 3: Boy, look at this. Look at that fancy footwork. Wow

2535
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 3: are those high heels too? Wow?

2536
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 2: This is me waiting outside the ship or when someone's

2537
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 2: in there and I have to.

2538
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 3: Go all right? And uh, what are they? What are

2539
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 3: they asking us? What is gaff asking us?

2540
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 2: Is that Maren? I don't know what the fuck that means? Yeah?

2541
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is either, but thank you, Jeff. Oh,

2542
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 3: let's go to the this uh this orchestra Martin? Oh,

2543
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 3: Martin there asking if that's Martin? You know the last

2544
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 3: Scout show.

2545
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 2: Look, the last Scout show. No, that's not him.

2546
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,839
Speaker 3: All right, Uh, let's go to the to the orchestra.

2547
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 3: Here is this guy, f Luke.

2548
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 2: He does, is the answer. But probably two very gross sexual.

2549
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 3: Partners very quickly too.

2550
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 2: I could bet. Can you imagine this dude kissing when

2551
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 2: he gets all horned up? No, he is, he is

2552
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 2: probably so gross, Luke.

2553
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 3: You and I are big fans of the all country

2554
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 3: band called the Drive By Truckers. They produced a Smithbell

2555
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 3: love them you ever hear of drive By Lovers?

2556
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 2: Okay, just crash and fucking do just just just right

2557
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 2: into the drink there, please?

2558
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:17,879
Speaker 3: Who's driving?

2559
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 2: Luke, I mean, what the what it just run them

2560
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 2: over on the road. You have my permission, It's okay.

2561
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 2: Not everyone has to live BC. Not everyone. It's not

2562
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 2: for everybody.

2563
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 3: Hey, let's go to the pool party. Inevitably someone takes

2564
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 3: a big fall and it gets messy. Let's check out this.

2565
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 2: Party and they're.

2566
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 3: I don't think that was planned.

2567
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 2: She twists her ankle, pants is the guy, and then

2568
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 2: sends him into the drink. Yeah, you can leave now,

2569
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 2: you can leave now, Luke.

2570
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 3: Anytime I show you a video of Lex Padata in

2571
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 3: real life, he looks scarier and scarier, whether it's dressing

2572
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 3: up like indigenous people in Brazil or this video in

2573
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 3: Dubai of Alex walking.

2574
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 2: With a drugged up lion.

2575
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 3: Probably probably no, no, no.

2576
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 2: Not probably definitely, You're not gonna be able to walk

2577
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:16,720
Speaker 2: this lion without some level of trenk in his bloodstream.

2578
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 2: Unfortunate that we saw who do we see? We saw

2579
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 2: Charles Lavera do this too. Apparently all these people go

2580
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:25,400
Speaker 2: to Dubai and then meet animals are not supposed to

2581
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 2: meet guys. You're not supposed to know lions and tigers.

2582
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a thing we are aware of.

2583
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 3: But if you're rather, would you rather they go to

2584
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 3: bag of Van's place?

2585
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 2: Luke, is he in jail or not?

2586
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 3: Not yet? I don't think Joe exotic is Joe exotic

2587
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 3: has been tweeting a lot of pro Dana White tweets lately.

2588
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 3: Do you think he's trying to get pardoned through that relationship?

2589
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 2: How would he get pardoned by Dana White?

2590
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:50,879
Speaker 3: Dana has friends in high places, Luke.

2591
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, I don't know. I'm also a president can

2592
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 2: only overturn federal convictions, not state gotcha.

2593
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 3: Thank you for that update from Washington. Hey, let's go

2594
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,480
Speaker 3: to rate that tat. Here's the UFC fighter, Dan Egay.

2595
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 3: Your thoughts on his new ink.

2596
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 2: Please be good. It's pretty good. Who is that? I'm

2597
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 2: not sure? All right, it's not bad. It's not bad.

2598
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 3: Okay, the upper part seems unfinished. It's still purple.

2599
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I got to say, there's some parts that

2600
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:24,480
Speaker 2: look like there needs some touching up. But it's a

2601
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 2: little dark at the wrist. But otherwise actually there's oh wait,

2602
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 2: don't know, so he's getting the whole sleeve done. See

2603
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 2: it's a little dark. You're gonna have to wait until

2604
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 2: it lightens up a little bit.

2605
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:38,760
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, it's coming together nicely though, Dan e Gay,

2606
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 3: well done their fifty k Dan Egay. Finally, Luke, let's

2607
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 3: go to the marathon. I don't expect you to ever

2608
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 3: run one, Luke, but if you did, I would be

2609
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 3: this guy cheering you on.

2610
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:55,240
Speaker 2: Is that a bomb?

2611
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 3: Yes, it is with a lighter.

2612
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:00,800
Speaker 2: That's great.

2613
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:04,360
Speaker 3: Oh that's good stuff.

2614
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:06,640
Speaker 2: How do you not stop and hit that on the way.

2615
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm busially trying to make my time. I'm

2616
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 2: trying to get baked. Fuck y'all. Yeah.

2617
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 3: They have a one of the best road races ever, Lucas.

2618
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 3: This one called the Litchfield Hills Road Race in Litchfield, Connecticut.

2619
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 3: Seven miles in the last mile is straight uphill, and

2620
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:26,040
Speaker 3: they actually have an ambulance halfway up parked just because

2621
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 3: because people collapse on the way up because it's so hot.

2622
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 3: They have this stretch of it. So it's one of

2623
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 3: those like hometown races where every time you turn the

2624
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 3: corner there's another like rock band in the front yard

2625
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 3: of someone's house playing, and you know, you wave to them.

2626
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 3: You go through the woods and you come around the

2627
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:42,000
Speaker 3: corner and they got these dudes with a keg and

2628
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:43,800
Speaker 3: they got filled cups, just handing them out to you.

2629
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, man, but this takes it

2630
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:46,400
Speaker 3: to a new level.

2631
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's nice. I could get by with that.

2632
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 2: I could get by with that. But all right, that

2633
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 2: was the longest race you ever ran.

2634
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:58,280
Speaker 3: I've done, Uh ten k's are what those are? Six

2635
01:59:58,320 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 3: point four miles. I've done a lot of ten k

2636
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 3: I've done that race that I just mentioned, which was

2637
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 3: seven point one. And I was marathon training in the

2638
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:10,440
Speaker 3: fall of twenty fifteen and I ended up quitting training

2639
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 3: because I got the job at ESPN, So like, I'm sorry,

2640
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 3: not twenty fifteen, two thousand and five. I got the

2641
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 3: job offer from ESPN, and I was like, what do

2642
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 3: I do? What do I do? I chose the career path,

2643
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:22,880
Speaker 3: But luke, I was I was building up on my

2644
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:24,600
Speaker 3: long runs, and I was to the point where every

2645
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:27,560
Speaker 3: Saturday I was running fourteen to fifteen miles.

2646
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,760
Speaker 2: That's a lot of point. Yeah, the most I've done

2647
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 2: ten k's and then the most ever did in one

2648
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:33,800
Speaker 2: go was nine miles. I'm not a big runner. I

2649
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 2: hated it, and I had that was a I don't know.

2650
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 2: If you don't know what this is, that's what that

2651
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:39,240
Speaker 2: was a boots and utes run, boots and utes where

2652
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:41,320
Speaker 2: you actually have to wear your combat boots and pants

2653
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 2: when you run. This was at twenty nine palms, So that's.

2654
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, not Oh god, dude, that's that's the hell.

2655
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:49,360
Speaker 2: In torture that I had. The I'm not even doing

2656
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 2: a bit. I had the worst shin splints of my

2657
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 2: fucking life after that run. It was terrible, terrible. I've

2658
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:58,000
Speaker 2: always hated running. It sucks.

2659
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:01,520
Speaker 3: I love running, I'm but I'm the most inconsistent runner

2660
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 3: of anyone who loves running ever. Meaning when I can

2661
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 3: get myself into it, Luke, I'm all the hell in

2662
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:10,000
Speaker 3: I will. I will run until I die, meaning like

2663
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:12,280
Speaker 3: I'll give all in a race, Luke. You know I

2664
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 3: ran people forget this, Luke. If I've done one thing

2665
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:18,440
Speaker 3: well athletically in my life. At age twenty seven, I

2666
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 3: ran a mile race in five fifty six and I

2667
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 3: was really.

2668
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:24,040
Speaker 2: Proud of that. That's that's really good.

2669
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I collapsed at the finish line and had to

2670
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 3: be like almost resuscitated, but it was a great moment.

2671
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 2: I had a coronary and died and they had to

2672
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:31,960
Speaker 2: resuscitate me in.

2673
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 3: That's the thing, Luke.

2674
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,800
Speaker 2: Like a Motley Crewe guitar player.

2675
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:37,600
Speaker 3: You know, when I'm passionate about something, Luke, I'm willing

2676
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:40,000
Speaker 3: to die doing it right, Which is which takes us

2677
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 3: to London.

2678
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,960
Speaker 2: When I've had a sub seven minute mile at my

2679
02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 2: very best, I've never had a sub six never, never, never.

2680
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That's pretty good, all right, B See,

2681
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 2: that is it for us today.

2682
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:52,920
Speaker 3: So I show ever in the US, Luke.

2683
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, but certainly this week BC. That

2684
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:57,920
Speaker 2: is it for us today. So here's how this is

2685
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 2: going to go. We're on a jet plane tonight, all

2686
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:02,280
Speaker 2: various different ones. I will see you in the UK

2687
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:03,640
Speaker 2: tomorrow tomorrow.

2688
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 3: I'll leave like right now, Luke, Okay, I know I wanna.

2689
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:07,200
Speaker 2: Wrap it up. I'm gonna wrap it up. And so

2690
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 2: we'll have Wednesday, We're gonna have an episode where it'll

2691
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:14,120
Speaker 2: be the UFC two eighty four pregame preview with Chuck Mindenhole.

2692
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 2: That'll be out Wednesday, and then the episode we record

2693
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,200
Speaker 2: at night for the Big Pod Live Festival that'll be

2694
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 2: Friday show. So Dan Hardy will be there with us.

2695
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:26,600
Speaker 2: There's just a handful of tickets left if you want

2696
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:29,000
Speaker 2: to get them, come be a part of the experience.

2697
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,000
Speaker 2: We see any final thoughts before we wrap it up here.

2698
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:32,880
Speaker 3: I got I've got to pee my pants. But thank

2699
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,800
Speaker 3: you for everybody for supporting us, for voting us as

2700
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,360
Speaker 3: best podcast so we can do this ridiculous live show.

2701
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:41,360
Speaker 3: Thank you to everybody's gonna show up the jan six Scouser,

2702
02:02:41,480 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 3: all these people that are showing up for us. Luke,

2703
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna show out for you. We're gonna absolutely bring it.

2704
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:48,680
Speaker 3: You can watch this episode on Friday that we're gonna

2705
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 3: film Wednesday night. We got some good room service diaries

2706
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,000
Speaker 3: scheduled for the next few days in London, so be

2707
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 3: on the lookout for that great content. What a time,

2708
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:00,240
Speaker 3: What a time to be alive. I got to ope

2709
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:01,480
Speaker 3: my pants. Look, I'm so sorry.

2710
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:03,280
Speaker 2: All right, you go do that. I'll take us out

2711
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:05,560
Speaker 2: of here. So reminder, showtime dot com is the label

2712
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:07,520
Speaker 2: that pays. You can go to showtime dot com get

2713
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Speaker 2: a thirty day free trial. If you like it, you

2714
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,560
Speaker 2: can keep it. If not, you can bounce reach the show.

2715
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:15,200
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2717
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Speaker 2: all of your merch London merch or otherwise. It is

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2719
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2720
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Speaker 2: are listening on the audio portion of the podcast. That

2721
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:31,680
Speaker 2: is it. That is it. The next time you see us,

2722
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:36,160
Speaker 2: we will be in London, England. So for Brian Campbell, Malka, Showtime,

2723
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:39,800
Speaker 2: CBS Sports and everyone else involved. My name is Luke Thomas.

2724
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:42,160
Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next time, and until then, may all

2725
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:43,600
Speaker 2: of your gains be loyal