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Speaker 3: Fifteen Cuny twenty five, thirty thirty five, Horny Cony five

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Speaker 4: Black College Football World Standard. Oh my goodness, he stumbled

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Speaker 4: Don't you believe I'm not gonna table off the field tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's not the sage of the dog in the fight,

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Speaker 1: It's the sage of the fight in the doll.

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Speaker 3: What's up the general nation? Welcome to The Big Bets

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Speaker 3: on Campus Podcast presented by Bett MGM. This is a

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Speaker 3: special off season college football episode. I'm stucky in joining

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Speaker 3: me today. I'm a fellow BBS calls Colin Wilson and

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Speaker 3: Mike Calibers, who is celebrating the debut of his new book,

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Speaker 3: which I think a lot of you are going to

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Speaker 3: be excited to read and or gift Father's Day coming

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Speaker 3: up with seventy three Days by the Way to go

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Speaker 3: into a college football. But I'm excited to talk about

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Speaker 3: this book and then just talk a little bit about

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Speaker 3: college football and the greatest teams of all time because

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Speaker 3: the book is legendary bull deciding college football's Goat came out,

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Speaker 3: I believe last night officially to the public. Congratulations, Mike.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to tell before we get to some

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Speaker 3: questions then start debating this have a format that we'll

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Speaker 3: go through, but you want to just tell everyone where

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Speaker 3: and what format they can get the book?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: Legendary Bull, as you mentioned, came out on Monday night,

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Speaker 1: is available in paperback in E reader kindle version as

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Speaker 1: well as hardcover. You can just go over to Amazon

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Speaker 1: type in Legendary Bowl my name, it'll pop up. The

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Speaker 1: book itself was kind of this labor of love, as

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Speaker 1: many people in our audience, the overlap between loving and

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Speaker 1: betting on college football and playing the NCAA fourteen video game.

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Speaker 1: You know that it had been sunset, It had been

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Speaker 1: off the shelves for eleven years, and a big reason

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Speaker 1: why I got this project started was that eventually you

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Speaker 1: able to build this enormous file where I went through

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Speaker 1: every single team updated to the best team in school history,

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Speaker 1: and pretty soon I had sixteen thirty two, sixty four

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Speaker 1: and then see who would actually win, because this is

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Speaker 1: a debate that we all kind of have from time

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Speaker 1: to time. Whenever there's a Heisman season or an undefeated

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Speaker 1: fit in the history of the sport. Like the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Unlike a lot of professional leagues, this sport goes back

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Speaker 1: lot of multi generational arguments. And what I ended up

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Speaker 1: doing in terms of guardrails was I set every single

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Speaker 1: team from nineteen eighty onward. And a big reason for

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Speaker 1: by putting these sixty eight teams together, it's also an

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Speaker 1: invitation to debate. You know, your favorite team, your favorite

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Speaker 1: I think I have a book here if I put in,

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Speaker 1: entire revealed bracket. Every single one is just about undefeated

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Speaker 3: We will be back in July for our normal schedule.

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Speaker 3: We'll preview every single conference to get you ready for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, In terms of the research for the book, Colin,

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Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, Safeco Field started putting out roasted grasshoppers

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Speaker 1: A recent one was spicy beef tendon in New York

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Speaker 3: Let's get to this bracket again. You can go to

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Speaker 3: and look as we go through this Cabreys, Do you

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go through this in first our initial

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Speaker 3: UCF I think is overseeded. You gotta remember this is

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Speaker 3: but that that's my overseeded team twenty seventeen years you have.

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Speaker 3: ten they're overseeded. Sorry, McKenzie Milton was another quarterback that year,

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Speaker 2: Stealing my thunder because we're coming back to the Collie

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Speaker 2: Matrix National champions later overseeded for me. Cincinnati twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: and you say, what, they're a twelve seed and they

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Speaker 2: Look at the other twelve seeds ninety nine Wisconsin, ninety

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Speaker 2: I feel like I remember Stucky and I handicapping this game,

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Speaker 3: Quarterback, but it just wasn't there with Ritter so A. C.

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Speaker 1: Mean they're both half teams. That UCF team, You were correct.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to underseeded I'm going to throw

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get to our favorite first round matchup. That

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that we're going to do a snub section,

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Speaker 3: but all the pis led to points. It was insane.

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Speaker 3: Snub so com bought up two thousand and four Auburn.

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Speaker 3: You have to choose between teams other teams that jumped

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Speaker 3: out to me. By the way, No Arkansas, Colin, No

456
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Speaker 3: Arkansas on this bread.

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Speaker 1: That is a little next eight down there.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about it.

459
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Speaker 3: And so I also say, Colin, this is for you,

460
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Speaker 3: and I hate to bring this up, but for my

461
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Speaker 3: Ohio State future fourteen twenty fourteen TCU, Yes, who did

462
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 3: get job now they get jobbed again. He took I

463
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: think you took twenty ten TCU over them, right, yeah.

464
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 3: And then two thousand and eight Florida just I mean

465
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: that team was stacked and you went with another really

466
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Speaker 3: good Florida team. But there's no.

467
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Speaker 2: T BO, right we should say there's no tebo here.

468
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 2: We picked another Florida team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So no two thousand and eight Florida sore.

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Speaker 3: Any thoughts on any of.

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Speaker 1: Those, I'll start with the last one first. I think

472
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Speaker 1: it's absolutely a coin flip between ninety six and two

473
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. The Heisman winning quarterbacks who were incredibly

474
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Speaker 1: religious and pious. Check check on both sides. You have

475
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coaches Urban Meyer Steve Spurrier, you have

476
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: really salty defenses. I mean, Florida had so much depth

477
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Speaker 1: in ninety six that they were filtering in as a

478
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Speaker 1: situational pass rusher, the freak Javon curse. When you look

479
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Speaker 1: at what they had offensively, the advantage clearly for the

480
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Speaker 1: ninety six team as their receiving core having a killer

481
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: and ryde Al Anthony and Jaquiz Green. That is a

482
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: lot better than just the Percy Harvin show. Now, obviously

483
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: Percy Harvin was used like a queen on the chessboard.

484
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer moved him all over the place, set up

485
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: mismatches wherever he could, whether he was running out of

486
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: the backfield slot out wide. It was very close for me,

487
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: but the differences. As I mentioned before, they lose to

488
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Speaker 1: a really stacked Florida State team on the road in

489
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: a three point game at the end of the season,

490
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Speaker 1: whereas the twenty eight team loses to an old mist

491
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Speaker 1: team that was fine, yeah, yeah, losing at home. That

492
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: was the game that launched the famous speech from Tebow.

493
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: If I'm you know, needing to come up with a

494
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: tie breaker, that was it for me in that situation.

495
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Speaker 1: The twenty ten twenty fourteen TCU conversation. It's super close.

496
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Speaker 1: That TCU team in twenty ten also has Andy Dalton,

497
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: who I think you know because of his NFL career,

498
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: despite starting over one hundred games and going to the playoffs,

499
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: he was always kind of a game manager, a BB

500
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: plus player. He was a back to back Mountain West

501
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Speaker 1: Player of the Year, and he was somebody who really

502
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: handled the pressure and the big moments really well. And

503
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: going to the Rose Bowl and winning the way that

504
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: they did in their defense, playing the way they did,

505
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: and also neutralizing a guy like JJ Watt, I think

506
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: that proved that they were ready. They were beyond just

507
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: a BCS buster. They finished that year number two, whereas

508
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen team I still can't get out of

509
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: my mind giving up sixty one points to Arrival with

510
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: a chance to win the Big twelve title. I understand

511
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: that they got snubbed. They have every right to feel

512
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: that way. They go into the I believe it was

513
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: the Peach Bowl and just beat the brakes off Old Miss.

514
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: When you lose and you give up sixty one points,

515
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: that's a pretty glaring weakness to me. So once again,

516
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: another coin flip situation. But I went with the perfect

517
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: version of the twenty ten Gary Patterson squad.

518
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 3: And then how difficult was Auburn?

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Speaker 1: Auburn For me, it's a hard conversation because their two

520
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: best players in twenty ten were so transcendent in Cam

521
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: Newton and Nick Fairley, but the rest of the roster

522
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: it's just check marks across the board. For the two

523
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: thousand and four version, they were built in more of

524
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: the traditional SEC mindset, which is they were good everywhere,

525
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: they were deep everywhere. They didn't have these flaws. They

526
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: had the running game to lean on, and Jason Campbell was,

527
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, basically what an a minus college quarterback. He's

528
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: somebody who made it into the pros and was a

529
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: serviceable starter for a while, so it's not like he

530
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: was some tin can. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: when you look at how both Fairly and Newton took

532
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: over games, like, they don't win the national title unless

533
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: Fairley goes berserk and blows up the interior running game

534
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: for Oregon in the same way that Can bailed them

535
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: out earlier in the season when he went full Superman

536
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: on you know a lot of the defenses that they face,

537
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Speaker 1: So there's going to be Auburn fans who are going

538
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: to be mad about there's Auburn fans who are going

539
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: to stomp and gnash their teeth and say that if

540
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Speaker 1: they got a chance, they would have beat two thousand

541
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Speaker 1: and four USC. I don't think that they would have,

542
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of the differentiator for me

543
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: at the very end of it. Whereas Auburn got better

544
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: as the season went on, they were also able to

545
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: handle close games, which I think is interesting. Some of

546
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: these cases we talk about, like twenty thirteen Florida State,

547
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: they were running away from teams right up until the

548
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: National Title Game, so that was the first time that

549
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: they needed to play from behind and really had adversity.

550
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: That Auburn team faced it multiple times coming back in

551
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: the Camback Iron Bowl situation, as well as what they

552
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: needed to do in crunch time against the Ducks. So

553
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable going with twenty ten over two thousand

554
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Speaker 1: and four.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to the toughest region. I'm

556
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: gonna say I think for me, it is the I'm

557
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: gonna call it like the SEC. Because you have twenty nineteen.

558
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: LSU is your one seed. Your two seed is twenty

559
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 3: twenty Alabama, who you could argue could be a one seed.

560
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: Now they they get they don't get as much credit

561
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Speaker 3: because it was a COVID year, But because of that,

562
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: their schedule was all SEC teams. Their average margin of

563
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Speaker 3: victory was twenty nine. That team was dominant.

564
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Speaker 2: No bye weeks either.

565
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: Yep, no bye weeks. And I mean, you got to

566
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: remember that twenty twenty bamit team, which is better than

567
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. That twenty nineteen Bama team almost beat LSU

568
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: if you recall all the four Then because of this

569
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen LSU and the love they get and deservedly

570
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: so for Joe Burrow and that offense which is historically great,

571
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: the twenty eighteen Clemson team was I think one of

572
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: the most underrated champions of the past twenty is because

573
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Speaker 3: they get overshadowed by nineteen LSU and then you know,

574
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: to some extent Alabama and that year Alabama was considered

575
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: the best team all year, and then Clemson went out

576
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: beat him in the national title and then you know,

577
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: you have your four seed. You get another SEC team

578
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: in there in twenty ten Alabama, the five two thousand Oklahoma.

579
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Speaker 3: They don't get talked about enough really good staff and

580
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: I think they beat like five top ten teams in

581
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: the top eleven and then a six top twenty team.

582
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Speaker 3: That team is super underrated. Talked about that Arizona State

583
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: team is a nine. Yeah, the Pony Express is an eight.

584
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Speaker 3: But the top of that that uh, that region, Like

585
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: I could argue, I think you did a good job

586
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: with the one seeds, like it's they have to put

587
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: two thousand and one Miami, which will get to ninety

588
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Speaker 3: five Nebraska. But I wouldn't if you had like twenty

589
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: twenty Alabama or twenty eighteen Clemston as a as one

590
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: seed above or as one seat, I wouldn't think it

591
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: was obnoxious. So I think that's the toughest region countbu Yeah.

592
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Speaker 2: I mean for me, it was a toss up between

593
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Speaker 2: two of them, and I think you named the one

594
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: that I like the most. But I will throw a

595
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: shout out to the Rose Bowl. I'm sorry the Rose

596
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: Bowl bracket because the defenses are insane. We're talking twenty

597
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Speaker 2: one Georgia, twenty three Michigan. We've already talked about the

598
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: thirteen twenty thirteen Michigan State is in there. The ninety

599
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: one Washington team. From a defensive perspective, the Rose Bowl

600
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: bracket is ridiculously loaded with defenses, which is what you

601
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: need for the number one seed in there. But the

602
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: Sugar Bowl, like you mentioned, by far the toughest bracket

603
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: in here. Would you look at the offenses. It's not

604
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: the defenses as it makes this one because Clemson's eighteen

605
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: defense potentially has an argument to be made to be

606
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: the best ever. But the offenses in this bracket are

607
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: absolutely insane. The fourteen is two thousand and seven Hawaii

608
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: cult Brennan offense that made the Sugar Bowl. The three

609
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Speaker 2: seed is Clemson twenty eighteen, who we just mentioned for

610
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Speaker 2: the defense they had Trevor Lawrence and Travis Etn, who

611
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Speaker 2: I think Etn might be the best player that's ever

612
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: not playing quarterback in college football. The ten seed is

613
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four Colorado with Slash Cordell Stewart and Rashaun

614
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Speaker 2: Salam and the eighth seed is the Pony Express of

615
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Speaker 2: Eric Dickerson and Craig James. The offense in this bracket

616
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Speaker 2: is absolutely insane. Would I would watch stream? I would

617
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: pay to see all of these teams go up against

618
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Speaker 2: each other in this bracket.

619
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean you have Marshawn Lynch Aaron Rodgers

620
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: that we mentioned them as the they're the seventh.

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Speaker 1: Marsha I mean, this is kind of a Miami Hurricane situation.

622
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: Marshawn wasn't even the starter. He was basically spelling JJ

623
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Speaker 1: Arrington who ran for two thousand yards. So that offense

624
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: also just incredible. I'm glad that you guys are touching

625
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: on Clemson because for some reason for a team that

626
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Speaker 1: played just six years ago, maybe it's the Dabo hate,

627
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's people melding the teams together, them getting fed

628
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: into the wood chipper in twenty nineteen by LSU that, oh,

629
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Speaker 1: maybe they weren't as good. The twenty eighteen version was

630
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: super special because of their defensive line, the Power Rangers

631
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: they called themselves. They basically had top draft picks up

632
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: and down that d line, and that allowed them to

633
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: play so many exotic coverages, drop people, and use Isaiah

634
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Simmons all over the field as a linebacker, as a nickel,

635
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: as a safety. So I'm glad that you brought them

636
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Speaker 1: up because when I was setting up this tournament once

637
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Speaker 1: it was locked in the seeds and everything, it was like,

638
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: if they come out of this region, I'm not going

639
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: to blink, and I think that they could beat just

640
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: about anyone and also have the versatility because of that

641
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: D line to stop a running offense or a passing offense.

642
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily true even in some of the

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Speaker 1: elite defenses in this field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go to who we think a one or

645
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: two seed that we think is most likely to have

646
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Speaker 3: an early exit. Now, Calvaries won't spoil anything, but simulating this, well, no,

647
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Speaker 3: it's fixed. Has two thousand and seven Missouri with what

648
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Speaker 3: was that Chase Daniel, you know, advancing past Nebraska or

649
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: running the first round match with them beating Nebraska as

650
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: a Missouri Missouri guy, But I'm gonna say my one

651
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: or two that I think could get upset early, I'm

652
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: gonna go with USC. That team was incredible, incredibly fun

653
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: to watch. But who do you gotta play. You're playing

654
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: an option team first, just gonna grind the game down,

655
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: slow the possessions. Keenan Reynolds and that twenty fifteen Navy team,

656
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: I love them. And then you got the potentially the

657
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: magic of Boise State. That twenty ten Boise State team

658
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: in the second round if they beat Stanford in a

659
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: really good eight to nine game. So I'll throughout USC

660
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: just some some tricky potential teams in the first and

661
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: second round.

662
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go up to the

663
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Orange bo I'm gonna say the two thousand and one

664
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Speaker 2: Miami Florida team. They're number one seeded. Apologies to use

665
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: stuff because I know this isn't gonna sound well, but

666
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: because Ed Reid is on this defense and the narrative,

667
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: you know, the narrative is against Miami, so I think

668
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: I'll probably get some blowback here. But the Hurricanes. You know,

669
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: all all of our top seeds dominated their entire schedule,

670
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: and the Hurricanes did not, especially when they went on

671
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: the road. When you look at what Miami does these days,

672
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: when they go and play the pen Stripe Bowl and

673
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 2: they go up North, it's always a problem. It's been

674
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: a problem forever. Game three, they allowed pitt to score

675
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: twenty one points. This is, you know, game up north.

676
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: Game five, Florida State scored twenty seven, and Game eleven

677
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: they nearly lost to VA Tech and Lane Stadium. They

678
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: won twenty six to twenty four. So there were a

679
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 2: lot of areas, like if you look at these other

680
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: number one seeds, there's really no question they were going

681
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: to win some of their games. Miami had some close ones,

682
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: but you look at their bracket. You're gonna take on

683
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: Johnny Manzel in the second round and Mitchie Stadium, like

684
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: up in cold weather potentially, like are we going to

685
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: get a weather report here? So they're gonna send the

686
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: Hurricanes up north? And then after that eighty eight Notre

687
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Dame is here with Tony Rice and Ricky Waters and

688
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Rocket Ishmael an undefeated national title team and Notre Dame

689
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: awaiting in the round of sixteen. I just don't think

690
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: a team like Miami of two thousand and one can

691
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: make it through all this.

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Speaker 3: The pro the pros on my I mean Miami, yeah,

693
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: I mean maybe the quarterback play could have been better,

694
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: but just the amount of pros and depth that Miami had.

695
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: You know another team that I'll mentioned that fits that bill.

696
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: Besides some of the recent SEC teams, It's twenty thirteen

697
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: Florida State, which I believe every starter and their kicker

698
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: and punter started an NFL game. They scored seven hundred

699
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: and nine points, which was only six fewer than the

700
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen LSU team, which many regard as one of

701
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 3: the best offenses of all time, and they had one

702
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: fewer game. And it's even more impressive when you consider

703
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: it's a Jimbo Fisher team. They don't they don't play

704
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: at a fast pace, playing pretty slow pace. So that

705
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: team was loaded with pro talent calbarys and curious to

706
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: see who who would who would you nominate?

707
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: I may have to double check my notes, but I

708
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: believe the twenty thirteenth floor State team beat FBS opponents

709
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: by forty two points per game. That is up scene,

710
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: like beyond belief to be able to drop that many

711
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: fifty sixty point bombs on people. I like that you

712
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: guys picked both USC and Miami, and it's for very

713
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: similar reasons. When you go back, I think sometimes we

714
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: sugarcoat it. We have the rose colored glasses on and

715
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: we figure that, oh, it's that offense, it's Linery, it's Bush,

716
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: it's two Heisman winners. Eventually, they just crushed everybody. They

717
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: needed a fourth downstand in their own red zone against

718
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in the Coliseum to win twenty three seventeen.

719
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: That was a little bit more of their identity at

720
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: that point. Pete Carroll was a defensive coach that was

721
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: a much better version of their defense in four than

722
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't five. But also later in the season they

723
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: need a late interception to stave off a comeback attempt

724
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: from UCLA, who has nothing to write home about that

725
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: particular year. Then obviously they go to the Orange Bowl

726
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: and just dog walk Oklahoma, and I think that's the

727
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: lasting memory. So for them to get into a close

728
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: game with either our Jim Harbaugh coach Stanford team with

729
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: Andrew Luckez quarterback, or as you mentioned, that Michigan team

730
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty three, I don't think that would be

731
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: unreasonable at all. And then Miami, it is true that

732
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: they were playing a little bit more conservatively than they

733
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: should have. Offensively, they had Andre Johnson, they had Jeremy Shockey,

734
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: they had that running back room that was Portis and

735
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: Gore and McGahee. They should have been opening it up

736
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: and playing fast, but they didn't. They wanted to play slower.

737
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: And one tidbit from the book, if they had scored

738
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: zero offensive touchdowns the entire season, they still would have

739
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: gone eight and four that's how many special teams, defensive touchdowns, safeties,

740
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: blockfield goals, return for touchdowns. That's how many they scored

741
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: that year. So they always seemed to find a way.

742
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: So if I was going between the two, I think

743
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: i'd leaned two thousand and four USC.

744
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had that Etter Reid pick against in that

745
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: BC game when heped the boy, he ripped the ball away,

746
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: just another one of the awesome Ed Reid plays in

747
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: his legacy. Let's let's go to favorite first round matchup

748
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: for me. This was easy. This is I'm going six

749
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: eleven o seven West Virginia against who would have had

750
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: who potentially would have had a chance to play for

751
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: a national title if they didn't lose that game to

752
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: They think they were number two in the country. They'd

753
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: lost the West Virginia fans don't want to hear this,

754
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: but they lost to pit I think it was the

755
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: one hundredth edition of the backyard Brawl. I think they

756
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: lost the game like it was ugly. What was the

757
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: score of that game?

758
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: Thirteen to nine. Pat White got hurt. Yeah, Pat White

759
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: got hurt. Brown came in as their backup. Pat McAfee

760
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: missed a couple of chippy field goals. It was. It

761
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: was basically a perfect storm. And then rich Rod left,

762
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: I want to say, seventeen days later for his next job.

763
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: So the whole history of West Virginia football and potentially

764
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: the Big East could have been different if he doesn't

765
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: get hurt in that game and they win and go on,

766
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: because they probably would have won the national title. Oh seven,

767
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: that's how good they were offensively.

768
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pat White Slayton, but that offense was so fun,

769
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: the rich Rod spread taking on eight Texas Tech and

770
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 3: the goat Mike Leach Rip and his air raid with Graham, Harrol,

771
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: Crabtree and company. That that total would be sky high.

772
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: I also want to know the total LSU twenty nineteen

773
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: LSU versus twenty twenty Coastal Carolina. What's that total?

774
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: So the Coastal lower than Coastal slower.

775
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: Coastal is slow, but ls's scoring eighty.

776
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: And lshu's one weakness on defense. They couldn't stop the

777
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: run John Rice Plumbley and the ReBs ran for four

778
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: hundred yards against him. So who knows in that game?

779
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coastal will put up points. So yeah, but that

780
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: West Virginia Pat White led Ritrod Offense versus Texas Tech

781
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: and the leech Air Raid. That game would be super fun. Colin,

782
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: how w you This.

783
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: Is a very personal game for me. I'll try to

784
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: get through it here. When at the beginning of twenty eighteen,

785
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: when Stuck in I I started working with our five

786
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: star blue Chip producer Matt Mitchell, we had to come

787
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: up with some music. We had to come up with

788
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: some audio drops for the intro to this podcast. I said,

789
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: I only have one demand. I think it's the only

790
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: demand I've ever made my Action Network career, and that

791
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: is you were gonna go get Clint Sterner's fumble and

792
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: Stumble and you're gonna put it in this drop and

793
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: it is fantastic. So I'm gonna go with Cotton Bowl

794
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: bracket number four nineteen ninety eight, Tennessee taking on number

795
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: thirteen twenty fifteen. Houston, now Tennessee, won the national title

796
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight with t Martin, a year after

797
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning went to the NFL. But the critical junction

798
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: of that Tennessee season wasn't the national title or winning

799
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: the SEC. It was eight to o against Arkansas, who

800
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: was also eight to oh and kneel and the Razorbacks

801
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: held off peerless price Travis Henry. They were beating the

802
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: Bulls twenty four to twenty two with just a couple

803
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: minutes left in the game. Under two minutes, Sterner stumbles

804
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: fumbles Travis Henry with twenty eight seconds left. At some

805
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: point as a college football fan, for everybody out there,

806
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: the sport has found a way to put its teeth

807
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: into your veins and make you bleed and love it

808
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: and feel amazing highs and amazing lows. I went through

809
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: all of that in a span of ten minutes as

810
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: a twenty year old. I was hooked on this sport

811
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life because of Tennessee Arkansas

812
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight. So I would be happy to

813
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: watch this game where Greg Ward Junior, as a thirteen seed,

814
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: takes the field. He totaled seventeen touchdowns through the air

815
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 2: twenty one on the ground for the Cougars. They beat

816
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: seven ranked teams that season, including Florida State in the

817
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: Peach Bowl. I would love to see twenty fifteen Houston

818
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: upset nineteen ninety eight Tennessee, who is the nemesis of

819
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: my life?

820
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: Love it? I hope we insert that clip in there.

821
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: How about before we get to what we think is

822
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: going to happen and how this plays out, and we'll

823
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 3: do our final four. That's do two things. Let's number one,

824
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: let's do a Cinderella pick. I don't know what kind

825
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: of seed you're looking for here, but a team that

826
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: I think could make a run. That's not like a

827
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: top I'll say a top four seed. But feel free

828
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: to go wherever you want with this column, but I'm

829
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: gonna say nineteen eighty pit, Hail to Pitt. This is

830
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: a team. Every single starter on the offensive end, defensive

831
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: lines played in the NFL. I think they started in

832
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: the NFL. They had three d backs who started in

833
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 3: the NFL. Dan Marino is the quarterback. That's a team.

834
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: Four Hall of famers NFL Hall of famers on that team.

835
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: I believe that's a team that with the quarterback player

836
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: Marino there, they're playing the trenches. I think they can

837
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: hold up being from nineteen eighty and they could be

838
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: dangerous cow Cinderella.

839
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Speaker 2: Well, we've already mentioned the team, and sadly, I was

840
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: going to make this section sort of would you buy

841
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: this team? And that is this team is in the

842
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: Orange Bowl bracket. They have claimed a national championship with

843
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: McKenzie building a quarterback as Creege Griffin at linebacker, undefeated season,

844
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: almost all blowouts, four wins by a single touchdown, and

845
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: amazingly enough, their coach, Scott Frost, beat their current coach,

846
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: Gus Malzon, who's Theer's coach. So the reason I said

847
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: that they could be a Cinderella team is because I

848
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: believe we bet against them every single week and they

849
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: beat us every single week. Twenty seventeen Central Florida is

850
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: the most frustrating team I've ever tried to handicap in

851
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: my entire life. Soft schedule, Hurricanes knocking things out, a

852
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: gimmicky offense, and they never lost, and it infuriated me

853
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: more than anything. And I would think a win, two wins,

854
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: little sweet sixteen berth here, let's just continue the hate

855
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: that I have for the UCF twenty seventeen calling Matrix

856
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: national champions All.

857
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: Right, then, how about a team that is just as

858
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: you have a soft spot for that you you know,

859
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: you kind of were happy to see them in here,

860
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: you have some good memories on it. I'll start up,

861
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: I'll bring up twenty twelve NIU who got the play

862
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: in a BCS game, So they won the MAC Championship

863
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: and they ended up in the top I think it

864
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: would be in like the top sixteen, and they ended

865
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: up playing a BCS game. They should have went undefeated

866
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: in the regular season. This is Jordan Lynch team. Their

867
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: one loss was against Iowa. And ladies and gentlemen. Some

868
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: thing's never changed. So in twenty twelve, I think it

869
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: was an in soldier field. Northern Illinois started the season

870
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: against Iowa. They lost eighteen seventeen. Let me tell you

871
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: how this game went. This is every Iowa game ever.

872
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: And IU was up seventeen twelve late in the game.

873
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 3: And Iowa, by the way, I was statline this game.

874
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: They handed to the to bullock thirty times for one

875
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards. Their quarterback Vandenberg, James Vandenberg. He

876
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: threw a thirty three times for one hundred and twenty

877
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: nine yards. But the reason that NIU lost is iowall

878
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: punted late in the fourth quarter. Shocker, and it was

879
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: down at the one again another shocker, and then Northern

880
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: Illinois had a punt. It's a MAC team punting and

881
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: then I will got to start at like the twenty

882
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: yard line after the punt, and then they ended up

883
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: scoring on a run on third and nine, the most

884
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: Iowa game ever. And then they won by one, which

885
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: was then I use only lost. Now. I know you

886
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: can't make a run in this they're a MAC team,

887
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: but everyone knows my love for the Mac and Jordan

888
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: Lynch and that that Nebraska team Fraser Phillips screen, that'd

889
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: be some old school football playing that Northern Illinois team.

890
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: By the way, Northern Illinois. In that game, Jordan Lynch

891
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 3: finished six of sixteen for fifty yards throwing the ball

892
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: so and he ran. He obviously ran for over one

893
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: hundred as usually did. So I'm I'm glad that there

894
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: was a MAC team in here. Who will will be

895
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: a first round exit.

896
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, first soft spot for me. I'll go with two

897
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: thousand and seven Kansas. They are seated eleventh in the

898
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: in Bowl bracket. I think when you think of Kansas football, now,

899
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: you're thinking of Jalen Daniels, you're thinking of being you're

900
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: thinking of some crazy motion explosive plays. You're thinking of

901
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: Lance Leipold. And you know, even before he was there,

902
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: it was just an all offensive team in zero defense.

903
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: They've been zero defense forever. That twenty seven team. I

904
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: might be wrong about this, but I think they were

905
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: number one in total defense. I mean, they were way

906
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: up there making the Orange Bowl that and I thought

907
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: they were frauds. They lost to Missouri. Actually they got

908
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: whipped by Missouri. They had twenty one fourth quarter points

909
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: to make it look like that game was close. But

910
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: besides that game, they won the rest of the schedule,

911
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: even winning the Orange Bowl against Virginia Tech. That two

912
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: thousand and seven Kansas team was the best team they'd

913
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: had in decades. And boy, I heard a lot of it.

914
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of chatter from Kansas alums, but

915
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: we have not seen defense at Kansas like that since

916
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven.

917
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: Robys, do you have a soft spot for any one

918
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: specific team?

919
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

920
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven Hawaii. Half of their kickoffs came

921
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: at midnight or later Eastern They were always the break

922
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: glass in case of emergency gambling team. If you're having

923
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: a rough Saturday, you just loaded it up on a

924
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: rainbows over. Colt Brennan running the run and shoot of

925
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: June Jones to absolute perfection. And there was that energy

926
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: the whole year. If everything goes right, they can go

927
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: to a BCS Bowl. And they had to pull it

928
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: out of the fire multiple times, including their regular season

929
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: finale against the Washington Huskies. I believe they're down twenty

930
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: one to nothing on their home field, came back and won.

931
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: They had a classic on the mainland and against San

932
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: Jose State that they won in overtime. So many incredible

933
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: moments from that season, and like I said, you know,

934
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: sometimes these bowl games, for better or worse, can color

935
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: people's perception of them. They got crushed by a Georgia

936
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: team that was bloodthirsty in that Sugar Bowl, but the

937
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: rest of their season was magical, and I think it

938
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: meant so much clearly to the community, to the whole

939
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: state of Hawaii, and really to all the BCS busters,

940
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: the G five teams that would come after them. So

941
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: that was probably my favorite team. But yeah, they're Lambs

942
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: to the slaughter here in the first round against twenty

943
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: eighteen Clemson.

944
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: All right, before we get out of here, let's go

945
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: bracket by bracket, Colin, and we'll we'll go region by region,

946
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: I should say, and we'll say how we think it's

947
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: going to play out and then at the end we'll

948
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: give our champion. We'll start in the Cotton Bowl region.

949
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: Ninety five Nebraska is the one seed. Five Texas, who

950
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 3: was also loaded and played one of the most memorable

951
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: college football games of my lifetime, is the two seed.

952
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: By the way, we haven't even mentioned Penn State. That

953
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: ninety four Penn State team, who they then was not

954
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: the team that got jobbed, did not play in the

955
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 3: national title.

956
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Now they should have absolutely split the national title. They

957
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: went undefeated. They went to the Rose Bowl beat up

958
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: on the Ducks. But that was the first time that

959
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Tom Osborne could get a national championship, so both Poles

960
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: ended up voting for him. They had multiple Heisman fans,

961
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: right Kerry Collins and ka John Carter. They also had

962
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: Kyle Brady at tight end. Bobby Ingram won the very

963
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: first Blittanikoff Award. Defensively, they were a little bit more

964
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: in the middle of the pack, but they still had

965
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: some really good guys like Kim Herring in the secondary.

966
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: Their offensive line was loaded, So yeah, that team in

967
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: particular was by far Joepa's best offensive team. They were

968
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: the opposite of three yards and a cloud of dust.

969
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: They dropped bombs on people that entire season, and they

970
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: had a clutch moment playing against Simeon Rice and Hardy

971
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: in that Illinois defense. That was, I believe at the time,

972
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: right number one in the whole country. Ninety seven yard

973
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: game winning drive to come back. So that was showing

974
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: they were both really talented and super clutch when they

975
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: needed to be.

976
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, narrative game, a good narrative game, and would be

977
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: four Penn State versus ninety five Nebraska. But I'm gonna

978
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: stick with my upset pick. I'm kind of all chalk here,

979
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: so I'm going ninety e meancuse me, nineteen to eighty

980
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: pit and Dan Marino coming out of the Cotton Bowl

981
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: region and making it to the semis colin. How do

982
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: you see it playing out?

983
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Nobody, listen. If you're a gen Z or maybe a

984
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: millennial that just caught on to college football, that you

985
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: haven't seen anything like what that nineteen ninety five Nebraska

986
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: offense was running. Running the triple out of the eye

987
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: was the I mean, you needed more than a week

988
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: to prepare. I mean, this is worse than some of

989
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: the Army and Navy stuff that we see these days.

990
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: When Nebraska was doing back then, the drills, the decades

991
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: of work that they put into this offensive system, the

992
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: kind of recruits that they were looking for. Tommy Fraser,

993
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: quarterback Lawrence Phillips, and Almond Green running the triple out

994
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: of the eye was the most intimidating thing I've seen

995
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: on film. If you have not seen this, go to

996
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: YouTube and watch it. It is a joy.

997
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: Even teams too. Yes, I believe their offensive line didn't

998
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: allow a sack or get a holding call the entire season.

999
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: It was one holding call the entire year, which is

1000
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: wild running that often.

1001
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: I will save talking about the defense till we get

1002
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: to the final four, but the offense, this just is

1003
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: beauty poetry.

1004
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't go wrong with ninety five. The

1005
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: breas all right. Moving on to the Sugar Bowl region,

1006
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 3: this is the one that I said is the toughest

1007
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 3: by far. You know, ninety six Arizona State was my

1008
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: team that I said was underseated in their feisty But

1009
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: I do think LSU would make it to the quarters

1010
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: with that offense. But I'm going to take look twenty

1011
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: Bama verse eighteen Clemson, I think would be an absolute war.

1012
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: But I'm going to take maybe a small upste again,

1013
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: I'm going with twenty eighteen Clemson, and I think that

1014
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: they would beat twenty nineteen LSU. I was wrong on

1015
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: LSU plenty until the National Title, so LSU would probably

1016
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: win and cost me money if that game happened. But

1017
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: I think the difference would be Clemson's defense in that

1018
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: game get a few more stops. So I'm going eighteen

1019
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: Clemson coming out and going to the Final Four, and spoiler,

1020
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: I have them beating Pitt So I had them in

1021
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: the National title, calling you.

1022
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing. I'm on twenty eighteen Clemson, and everybody

1023
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: should know from this podcast that I believe I was

1024
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: trying to invite Trevor Lawrence order to my house for

1025
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: dinner every night, like I had so much money on

1026
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen Clemson that year. It made handicapping pretty easy.

1027
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: I think Travis etn was a cheat code. I would

1028
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: love to see him in the NCAA Foo Bowl video game.

1029
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm sad that that ten year gap missed him from

1030
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: a defensive perspective. I mean, you're talking Christian Wilkins Dexter

1031
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: Lawrence on that defensive interior. What's the one thing in

1032
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four that everybody wanted out of the transfer

1033
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: portal for college football this year. Defensive interior they are

1034
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: not around. You have that, you're usually the winner. That

1035
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: is the difference from breaking through the offensive line of Elis,

1036
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: which had problems a lot of the year. All those

1037
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: dumps off to Clyde Edwards, hilar that Joe Burrow would

1038
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: put in Clemson would be on top of that the

1039
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: Alabama offensive line. Same things with getting to Mac Jones.

1040
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to run. You're gonna have

1041
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: to be you know, slants all day, and then you're

1042
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: gonna have to deal with some of the guys that

1043
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: they had in the secondary. The Isaiah Simmons, where was

1044
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 2: he going to line up? I would love to see

1045
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: LSU's offense and you know Alabama's offense, try to figure

1046
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: out where Isaiah Simmons was along with this defensive line.

1047
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: So I think Clemson was the most complete team out

1048
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: of this bracket.

1049
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: All right, and then the Orange Bowl. Mind simple, it's

1050
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: I'm rolling with the you and all that protown and

1051
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: mainly Ed Reid would just find a way. I'm biased though, Colin,

1052
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: you have you having UCF come out of this region,

1053
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: out of the Orange.

1054
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: I say, there's plenty of upsets here, do it. No,

1055
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: there's plenty of upsets here. But I went with the

1056
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: two seeded Florida State. Twenty thirteen Jameis and Winston was

1057
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: absolutely out of control with explosive plays. Same thing in

1058
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: the NFL. Huge arm, just a hose for an arm.

1059
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: Accuracy didn't matter in Florida State, but it does in

1060
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: the NFL. But no, I had Florida State.

1061
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there would be some cast as bracket,

1062
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: but I do think it would be Miami versus Florida State.

1063
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: If I wasn't biased, I probably would pick Florida State.

1064
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: All right, Rose Bowl Region Final Region. Maybe this is

1065
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 3: some recency bias, but just how complete, deep, and dominant

1066
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 3: they are. I'm going with the two seed Georgia. Two

1067
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: one Georgia.

1068
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: This was tough for me because I believe twenty twenty

1069
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: one Georgia is greater than twenty twenty three Michigan, that

1070
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: national titles team that we just saw. I think the

1071
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: twenty one version of Georgia that beat them up in

1072
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: the semi finals would have beat them up again. So

1073
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: you pair them up with a USC team that was

1074
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: just historically good on offense. I went the other way.

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Speaker 2: I went with USC because of the invention of the

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Speaker 2: Bush push, which I think technically came next year at

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame, but because of the invention of the bush

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00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: push which the Philadelphia Eagles and the usage of it

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, like they're gonna have to make a

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Speaker 2: rule for it because it started with him and then

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Speaker 2: it took some sort of fifteen year gap before we

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00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: saw it again. I'm gonna go with the Trojans here

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Speaker 2: in the bush push.

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Speaker 3: To win, all right, So now we have colin. Your

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Speaker 3: final four is USC, Florida State, Clemson, and Nebraska. I'll

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Speaker 3: start with you. How's it playing out and who's winning

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Speaker 3: it all?

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Speaker 2: Nebraska is winning it all over Florida State. The defensive

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Speaker 2: line that they had from the Peter brothers, I mean,

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00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: they were absolutely out of control. You know, we're looking

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Speaker 2: at Jason Peter, Christian Peter and Grant Wistrom. Who might

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00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: be the best defensive edge out there. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you guys want to name another, but probably the

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00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: best defensive edge it's in this entire field. They would

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Speaker 2: absolutely dominate the offensive line. No matter which one that

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Speaker 2: they would face, I would have them over Florida State

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Speaker 2: and the finals, beating Clemson in the semis and beating

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Speaker 2: Florida State in the finals, which I think would be

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Speaker 2: an easier game than beating twenty eighteen Clemson in the

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Speaker 2: semi finals.

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Speaker 3: No shocker, hear, I have Miami winning it all over

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen Clemson. I believe Bill James has a metric

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Speaker 3: for measuring past historical college football teams is like Pythagoran

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Speaker 3: win percentage, And I think, for example, I think LSU

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Speaker 3: was at like eighty six percent that nineteen LSU TI

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Speaker 3: and Miami, which I think has the eyes, that was

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Speaker 3: like ninety seven point five. So there's some numbers that

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Speaker 3: back it up. I don't even have to go into

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Speaker 3: all the pro talent. So I'm going Miami over Clemson.

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Speaker 2: Now, you didn't have it in your bracket, and I

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Speaker 2: had it in mind. What would you do with my

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00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: champion ninety five Nebraska facing off against your Miami team

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Speaker 2: with that offense running the triple out of the eye

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Speaker 2: against that defense of the Hurricanes.

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Speaker 3: I'd had Miami winning, but it'll be close. That Nebraska

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00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: team it was damn good and damn dominant. I had

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Speaker 3: to come up with one. I didn't want to be

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Speaker 3: all chalks. That's why I picked that nineteen eighty pick.

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Speaker 3: Covery's any thoughts on our final fours and champions.

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Speaker 1: I really liked the teams that you picked, not being

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Speaker 1: super chucky. I agree with Nebraska in terms of not

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Speaker 1: only would they accomplish on offense, which was the answer

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Speaker 1: to the question what if you ran the option, which

1124
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: is a great equalizer with the best athletes available to

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Speaker 1: you and just an ironclad offensive line that move phoed everybody,

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Speaker 1: But the other part of it is what they did

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Speaker 1: on defense, because a lot of pushback is always a

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Speaker 1: team in the nineties and they think in Nebraska is

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Speaker 1: this slow, stodgy power football team. That's what they were

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Speaker 1: in the eighties. But reading interviews with Tom Osbourne, he

1131
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: took all of his recruiting cues from Jimmy Johnson. He

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00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: was like, I want a defense that looks like the

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00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes in the eighties. And it took him a

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Speaker 1: long time to get there, but by the mid nineties

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00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: he had enough speed at the second and third levels

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Speaker 1: of his defense to be able to compete and going

1137
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: up against the fun and gun Steve Spurrier's offense in

1138
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. They were harassing Danny Wirfel that entire game,

1139
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: receivers were catching passes, but they weren't getting yards after

1140
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Speaker 1: reception because the defense was so fast in the secondary.

1141
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: So I think that's what makes them compelling to beat

1142
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: any team in this field, all the way up to

1143
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: modern offenses like twenty nineteen LSU. The last thing I'll

1144
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: say a team that before I simulated it that I

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00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: didn't think truly got their flowers that we haven't touched

1146
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: on ninety one Washington. That defense was so physical and

1147
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: so fast. They were absolutely intimidating to the point of

1148
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: being able to stop the run, much like twenty one Georgia,

1149
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: but also having enough athletes in their secondary offensively, that's

1150
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: the part that will be interesting when you read the book,

1151
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: because they had Billy Joe Hobert, who was a fine

1152
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: starting quarterback you played in the NFL. They also had

1153
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: Mark Brunell coming off the bench because he was recovering

1154
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: from injury, but by the second half of the season

1155
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: he was ready to go. So they had the trigger men,

1156
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: and they had Mario Bailey at five foot seven, who

1157
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: was an All American at wide receiver. So don't sleep

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00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: on the Huskies, and please when you go through the

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00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: book that I think to me, the fun part is

1160
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: the deep dives on all the teams. If you're unfamiliar

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00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: with them, please check it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic read. I hope everyone grabs it and share

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: your thoughts with us on Twitter. These are always fun

1164
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: things to debate. One final question for Colin. Colin, what

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00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 3: are your thoughts on Mike putting in an eight and

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00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: four two thousand per New team over the eleven and

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00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: two twenty eleven Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: That Arkansas team was absolute fire. This was the hottest

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00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: version of a Bobby Patrino offense. Now, Ryan Mallett wasn't there,

1170
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: he had taken off of the NFL, and Tyler Wilson

1171
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: ran that offense perfectly. Booby Nile was still there. This

1172
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: is a team that just came off a Sugar Bowl

1173
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: loss Ohio State. They would have beat two thousand Perdue.

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00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: They would have smoked him before Bobby Patrino would have

1175
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: taken his next motorcycle ride down the Pig Trail after

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00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: here in Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: Mike, that Purdue team produced more pros than any Purdue

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Speaker 1: team ever, including the Mackie Award winner. They had Drew

1179
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: Brees a quarterback. But to put a finer point on

1180
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: the selection process, I now feel bad for the selection

1181
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: committee because of how difficult it can be. But essentially

1182
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: those at large teams, the teams that were on the

1183
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: bubble were more in that eleven seed line for me,

1184
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: and I was trying to add in a little bit

1185
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: of variety some of these G five teams, some of these,

1186
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, teams that maybe had one transcended player like

1187
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. But there were playing games Nevada with Colin

1188
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: Kaepernick playing against seven Kansas, So there's lots of opportunities

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 1: to kind of see how these teams would have matched

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00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: up against one another. And you mentioned to Colin, I

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: did put in the bubble the next team eight eight

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: teams out twenty eleven. Arkansas was on there, twenty nineteen, Minnesota,

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Western Michigan rowing the boat there with PJ.

1194
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: FLECKH three Miami with Ben Roethlisberger. OH one Fresno, one

1195
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: of the original teams. They landed on the cover of

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00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated with David Carr, ninety five Northwestern with Fitzgerald

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: at linebacker, eighty four UNLV with Randall Cunningham playing double

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Speaker 1: duty playing quarterback and punter, and then finally eighty three Illinois.

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Speaker 1: So there was lots of teams to consider, and I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to get into it with people on social because

1201
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: these arguments and resumes were really close across the board.

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00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that two thousand producteen. They did lose some close games,

1203
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: but they also got smoked by Jeff Smoker in Michigan State.

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00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: I think one of those weeks. Anyway, all right, good

1205
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 3: stop with.

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Speaker 2: Randall Cunningham your favorite player growing up, I mean, a

1207
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: dual quarterback punter. I mean, this is right up to

1208
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: Stucky Ali here he was.

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01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: I was a little too young to really be into

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: college football when he was at UNLV, but he would have. Yeah,

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01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: can cannot wait to already break down some of these

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01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: teams when we do our conference previews, including plenty of

1213
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: punter talk. June first is when I really start diving in,

1214
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: So I'm hard at work while Colin and I are

1215
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: breaking down all these teams. Mike has been breaking down

1216
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: the twenty eleven Oklahoma State Cowboys and other teams, So

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Speaker 3: make sure you go check out that book. But we'll

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Speaker 3: I'll be ready to roll for our conference previews. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for tuning in. Thanks to Colin and Mike for juning

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Speaker 3: for joining me, and one more plug for Mike's excellent book,

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Speaker 3: Legendary Bowl Deciding College Football's goat. Check it out on Amazon.

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