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Speaker 4: Welcome to off the cop my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 4: Today's guest is a little different for us, but I

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Speaker 3: He's great a conversation.

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Speaker 4: I first came across him some years ago when Barstool

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Speaker 3: Just got it. I got it right away.

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Speaker 4: And it's founder, Dave Portnoy, grew up on the South Shore,

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Speaker 4: off like Gangbusters. Well, that guy, Kevin Clancy, maybe you

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Speaker 4: know him as KFC, is my guest today and I'm

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Speaker 4: It's great content. Welcome to off the cop, Kevin Clancy.

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Speaker 1: What a great introduction that was. That's a great plug.

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Speaker 1: Well done.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I do this for a living.

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Speaker 1: Says, usually people say terrible things about me on the internet.

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Speaker 4: I think you're fantastic at what you do, and you

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Speaker 4: But I came up through journalism at Corner University, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm giving you my very fluffy resume. New York Times,

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Speaker 2: And that's a job. And I remember telling my family

448
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Speaker 2: that and my mom.

449
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Speaker 1: I did tell my mom, I said, I it's covering sports,

450
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Speaker 1: but it's a very irreverent, like humorous guy's way not

451
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Speaker 1: for you. So you probably should just avoid it, and

452
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Speaker 1: she ay, she's like, never consumed a thing. My dad,

453
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Speaker 1: on the other hand, I tell them the sports and

454
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Speaker 1: he's not really a sports guy.

455
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Speaker 2: I get all my sports fandom from my mom, not

456
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Speaker 2: my dad.

457
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Speaker 1: Okay, And so maybe I don't know, six months or

458
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Speaker 1: a year, however long it was. We're at like a

459
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Speaker 1: family event and he leans over to me and he goes,

460
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Speaker 1: that is not a sports blog.

461
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 2: So similar vibes now with the kids.

462
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Speaker 1: Like I remember, uh, I dropped my daughter off to school.

463
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Speaker 1: This is they were young there, like two year it's

464
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Speaker 1: like pre k you know, yeah, and the teacher says

465
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Speaker 1: to me a drop off line. She was like, I

466
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Speaker 1: just want you to know I'm a really big fan

467
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Speaker 1: of your videos. Oh my god, which is great. But

468
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,479
Speaker 1: the day before I had posted a video about Odell Beckham,

469
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,400
Speaker 1: a Giants wide receiver, and some despicable things he had

470
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Speaker 1: done in his private life.

471
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Speaker 2: And I was like, she saw that video. There's no

472
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Speaker 2: way around that.

473
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Speaker 4: So but the pickup line is something man, because I

474
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Speaker 4: get it too, you know, like, well, shit, what did

475
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 4: I just say that?

476
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Speaker 3: They're going to be you know, right mad about or whatever?

477
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Speaker 1: Like and especially I've been diving into politics a little bit,

478
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 1: and I know that there are going to be some

479
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: people who hate me automatically from what I say, and

480
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: some people embrace me right away.

481
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Speaker 2: So I try to, I really try to just.

482
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Speaker 1: Like separate church and state on that one, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: just go into it like I'm a dad, I'm just here.

484
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Speaker 3: Right, just like, yeah, we're the same, right.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has on one leg at a time.

486
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Speaker 4: I want to talk more about your career, but first, like,

487
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Speaker 4: take me back, what kind of kid were you?

488
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Speaker 2: I played a lot.

489
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Speaker 1: I did play a lot of sports, which is very

490
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Speaker 1: funny for people to to hear now because I had

491
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Speaker 1: a bunch of surgeries and injuries, and then I became

492
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Speaker 1: a like totally sedentary blogger. So when we at barstool

493
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Speaker 1: we started to do these like athletic challenges or games.

494
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Speaker 1: I was so slow and so bad at them, and

495
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Speaker 1: they were like, this guy covers sports, and I was like,

496
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Speaker 1: I know, I swear to god. I used to not

497
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Speaker 1: very good, you know, played high school basketball and stuff

498
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Speaker 1: like that, and I did grow up like sports camps

499
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Speaker 1: and sports leagues and all year round, so that was

500
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Speaker 1: a big part of it, but also very nerdy, like

501
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: I played magic. The gathering is like a fantasy card game,

502
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 1: Marvel before it became Marvel, like all that stuff. So

503
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Speaker 1: I always had a little bit of like what you

504
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Speaker 1: see today is like a little bit nerdy, a little

505
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Speaker 1: bit sports, definite, television and pop culture and entertainment. So

506
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: it really it's kind of what you see is what

507
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Speaker 1: you get, even from a young age.

508
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Speaker 2: And then I would say I went to college.

509
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Speaker 1: I went to Fordham, which in my opinion has the

510
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Speaker 1: best sports communication program out there.

511
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Speaker 2: Maybe Syracuse some people would say.

512
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Speaker 1: But yeah, in Fordham you get to if you work

513
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Speaker 1: for the radio, you're covering the Jets, the Giants, the Knicks,

514
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Speaker 1: the Yankees, the Mets. So I worked there for a

515
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Speaker 1: little bit and I did have aspirations of being like

516
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Speaker 1: an actual sports broadcaster analyst.

517
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Speaker 2: Very quickly realized you make no.

518
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Speaker 1: Money, right and the if you want an on air spot, like,

519
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Speaker 1: there's four of them and they're yeah. So I did

520
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Speaker 1: start out trying to do that, went down a different route,

521
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Speaker 1: just doing like generic finance for money.

522
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Speaker 2: But then when I came.

523
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Speaker 1: Back into media, I was sort of like, this wasn't

524
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Speaker 1: the plan, but I do have a little bit of

525
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Speaker 1: experience here and it was almost like a muscle memory,

526
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Speaker 1: like I was able to kind of just dive back in.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I had learned very briefly at the radio

528
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Speaker 2: at Fordham.

529
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Speaker 1: So it was not by design, but when I look

530
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Speaker 1: at it, the way I grew up and some of

531
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Speaker 1: the choices I made did kind of build towards this.

532
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I assume the like, were you at a

533
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Speaker 4: time were you a Deloitte?

534
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Speaker 1: Yes?

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah, out of college you went to delutteh.

536
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Speaker 4: Yeah, was there a time you were sort of in

537
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Speaker 4: both worlds, like working at Deloitte, right, And I imagine

538
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Speaker 4: there came a time where you were like, I'm ready

539
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Speaker 4: to leave your desk job and do this full time.

540
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Speaker 3: But that's scary too.

541
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Speaker 2: I've been there very so we started.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so I went to Deloitte and that's

543
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Speaker 1: where I learned about barstool. My coworker, Gil was his name.

544
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: He showed me all the blogs. He's like, here's what

545
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: I read when I'm miserable at work, and barstool was

546
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: one of the fell in love with it and I

547
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Speaker 1: started my own website.

548
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Speaker 2: It's a very similar vein to barstool.

549
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Speaker 1: It was like similar humor and the only thing I

550
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Speaker 1: added was like there was always a nostalgia to remember

551
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Speaker 1: the nineties type of vibe.

552
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Speaker 3: Hmmm.

553
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Speaker 1: And I just was strictly doing that for fun because

554
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Speaker 1: I was like, I just need a release and an outlet.

555
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: Yet because I suck it. I was.

556
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Speaker 1: I hated it, and I was so bad at being

557
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Speaker 1: accountant and to boot I started working in eight seven

558
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Speaker 1: o eight into nine, so, and I was working at

559
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Speaker 1: Delloyd doing collateralized debt obligations. It was quite literally the

560
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Speaker 1: exact moment the country went into an economic depression. Yeah,

561
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Speaker 1: and I was working on the investments causing the depression.

562
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Speaker 1: And I was like, and when I started, it was

563
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Speaker 1: we were still good, like for two months, and then

564
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Speaker 1: I went down and I was like, did I cause

565
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Speaker 1: the downfall his economy? Because I don't know what I'm

566
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: doing due coincidental sou so anyway, that all kind of

567
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Speaker 1: coincides with Dave puts up a blog saying I want

568
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Speaker 1: to find a New York City writer, and I was like,

569
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Speaker 1: I make good money, I got benefits, I've had all

570
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Speaker 1: these surgeries.

571
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Speaker 2: I can't mess with this.

572
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Speaker 1: My friends at the time started to really despite how

573
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Speaker 1: much they hated it, they were like, it is pretty

574
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Speaker 1: funny you are at this like.

575
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Speaker 2: And so they said, you know, send send it into Dave.

576
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Speaker 1: And when I emailed him, as my memory serves, he

577
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Speaker 1: said something back to the effect of like, I've already

578
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Speaker 1: seen this. Somebody's already sent me your website. I've been

579
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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on it. And that's when I was like, oh, okay,

580
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: this is real. And so we kind of auditioned over

581
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: that summer. This is summer of nine, and he narrows

582
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Speaker 1: it down to me and one other guy, Keith Markovich.

583
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Speaker 2: You might remember him, Kate Marco, right.

584
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Speaker 1: He said, I can't decide between you two, so split

585
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Speaker 1: the job, split the money, and you can keep your

586
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Speaker 1: old job.

587
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Speaker 2: That was perfect for me.

588
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Speaker 3: Oh that's what you wanted.

589
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Speaker 2: I didn't have to give up anything.

590
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Speaker 1: And my job at Deloitte was very unique in that

591
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Speaker 1: we used to get all of our work for the

592
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Speaker 1: month up front and they said, as long as you

593
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Speaker 1: get this done, we don't care. So I would work

594
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Speaker 1: late work, weekends, whatever, sometimes sitting at my desk, not

595
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: doing Deloit work, just doing blog work because I'll get

596
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Speaker 1: it done later.

597
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Speaker 2: So it kind of was the perfect storm.

598
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Speaker 1: Although one one quick aside is the second day I

599
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Speaker 1: officially started doing Barstool, our firewall picked up the back

600
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: end admin part of the dashboard of the blog, so

601
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: I couldn't access the website.

602
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: So like on day two I was like, well that's it,

603
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: Like there goes the dream.

604
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: And the guy Keith was nice enough to say, email

605
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Speaker 1: me your blogs and I will cut and paste them in.

606
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Speaker 1: Oh my reason I have the job because I probably

607
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Speaker 1: would have said, you know, I don't.

608
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Speaker 2: I don't think I can risk this yet. Yes, that

609
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: was a lucky break.

610
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: And then for like two years I did the accounting

611
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: job and the barstool job. Yeah. I always joke it's

612
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: like Batman and Bruce Wayne or Walter White in high school,

613
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: like this dual life. And then Barstool started to grow

614
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: and everybody started to pick up more responsibility and it

615
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: was like, we can't really cover you as a part

616
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Speaker 1: time guy anymore. And it basically was like time, you know,

617
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Speaker 1: it's time to shit or get off the pot, Like, yeah,

618
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Speaker 1: built all this up, do you really wanted to just

619
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Speaker 1: like fade away?

620
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Speaker 2: And by that point Deloitte was ready to Deloitt was

621
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Speaker 2: trying to Dlight was trying to move me.

622
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Speaker 1: They were like, we're going to move you to a

623
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Speaker 1: consulting group because we think you'll have more success. At

624
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Speaker 1: this point, I wanted to get fired. I wanted the

625
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Speaker 1: seventh I wanted the Cobra benefits.

626
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I.

627
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: Dug in and they were like, if you don't move departments,

628
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Speaker 1: you're going to get fired.

629
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Speaker 2: And I was like great, and they were like, what

630
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: is going on here?

631
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

632
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Speaker 2: I eventually get fired.

633
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Speaker 1: I get my way to get a little bit severance,

634
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Speaker 1: and then I went full time and I never looked back.

635
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Speaker 1: But that that early. I think a big part of

636
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Speaker 1: my relatability and some of the success I had was

637
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: I was writing a series called Cubicle Chronicles, and it

638
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: was like.

639
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: This is life in the cubes, right.

640
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: It would email me their war stories and horror stories,

641
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Speaker 1: and I could relate.

642
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: To it because I was doing it, you know.

643
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

644
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: It made me a very much like every everyman kind

645
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Speaker 2: of character.

646
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was obvious.

647
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Speaker 2: It worked. It really worked. So I got lucky.

648
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Speaker 1: I wish I could tell you I was one of

649
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Speaker 1: those guys who, like I jumped with no safety net,

650
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Speaker 1: but I didn't.

651
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Speaker 2: I kind of planned it so that it all overlapped

652
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Speaker 2: and was.

653
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the same. I was working at the

654
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Speaker 4: New York Times, and I wasn't.

655
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Speaker 3: It was a great job.

656
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Speaker 4: I got benefits and all that, but I wasn't being

657
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Speaker 4: published the way I wanted to.

658
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Speaker 3: And so I wrote a book and I started.

659
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Speaker 4: Doing like politics and stuff outside of the Times while

660
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Speaker 4: working at the Times. And sometimes I'd like my coworker

661
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 4: would be like, did I.

662
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: Just see you? Like, did you just go do a

663
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Speaker 3: Fox hit on your lunch break? I'm like, yeah, yeah

664
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Speaker 3: he did.

665
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember I was writing the blog I had.

666
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Speaker 1: I had a blog, the blog before Barsool that Dave

667
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: noticed I had up on my screen and the title

668
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: of that was this silly phrase me and my friends

669
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Speaker 1: used to say, Well, we just say for sure not

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Speaker 1: instead of no, hey, can you give me a beer?

671
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Speaker 1: For sure? It was a stupid and I said it

672
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: so much. And then he saw the banner on my computer.

673
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: He looked over my shoulder and he goes, what is that?

674
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, we gotta go to lunch, like

675
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: come with me, and I named everything. So I had

676
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: one friend at work who was in on a deal. Yeah.

677
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: When I got the email that I got the job

678
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: at Barstool, I told him and we stood up in

679
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: the cubes and we hugged and I was like, this.

680
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: Is the best.

681
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: It was like me like getting out of a bad neighborhood,

682
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: Like ially know.

683
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 3: What you mean.

684
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I waited for severance too, Like I waited because

685
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 4: I'm I'm not risk taker when it comes to my career.

686
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: I'm real smart and careful.

687
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is that I say.

688
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: I tell people, I wish I could tell you I

689
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: took the leap, Yeah, but I don't. I kind of

690
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: like that. I was like I kind of gamed the

691
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: system until it.

692
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: Worked out totally right, saying you know.

693
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Speaker 1: If it was like a mom and pop like I'm

694
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: screwing over one guy to write it was fucking a deloitt.

695
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: It was like this massive you know, they can they

696
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: can handle it, they can afford it.

697
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: So I felt the same way I imagine Barstool was and.

698
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 3: Maybe still is.

699
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: But like was very fun and exciting in the beginning

700
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: as you're building it. And I've I've worked in that

701
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: kind of environment. I've worked at a startup and it's

702
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: so fun and you feel like a kid and you're

703
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: all kids like running around making this thing happen.

704
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: And then at least in my case.

705
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: Like especially as it gets more successful, it becomes more corporate,

706
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 4: it turns into a real job, Like did you go

707
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: through any of that at barstool when you were building.

708
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: Totally It was also like in the beginning and for

709
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: a decent amount of time, probably like six of us,

710
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: and then it grew to like eight or ten, but like,

711
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: still I knew everyone personally. I hung out with everyone

712
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: with friends or this friendly you know. And then it's

713
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: like we hire a corporate team and this, yeah, and

714
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: different demographics and now there's younger people and there's girls,

715
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: and there's you know, it's like I just.

716
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: Don't relate to this anymore.

717
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, it went from like fun to and then

718
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, money gets involved, and yeah, egos get involved.

719
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: And we were always I think part of the reason

720
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: why Barstool really succeeded. But one of the things I

721
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: don't like about it is we were very competitive. It

722
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: was like probably bordering on or if not fully into

723
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: toxic territory where it was like we're all on the

724
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: same team. And it kind of starts out as I

725
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: want to be the funniest, I want to be the

726
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: first to that story. Yeah, my shit to go viral

727
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: more than yours, but it's all in the name of

728
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: like we're all succeeding because of it, you know.

729
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: Huh.

730
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: Then it starts to especially in the social media era,

731
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: where fans start to give you feedback and people are

732
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: taking sides and they like this person and not that person,

733
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: and so you can't help but take things personal.

734
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: And it gets a little bit messy.

735
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Speaker 1: And then yeah, I have kids, and like Dave doesn't

736
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: like things where you just start to naturally grow apart.

737
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: So I think that competitiveness and that edge is kind.

738
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Speaker 2: Of what you know, it's like a sports team.

739
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: It's like we want to win, but I want to

740
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: be the starling team, right, So that that, you know,

741
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: was it was a shift for sure that that kind

742
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: of changed changed the vibe of and so ultimately I.

743
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: Liked the competition. I think it was a big piece

744
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: of it.

745
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: But there's also this element of me that wishes we

746
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: were like entourage, like we were like this family of brods.

747
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: We all hung out and like lived together and like

748
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: new families and we supported each other. Instead it was

749
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: like beef and we'll go at each other and that'll

750
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: raise the steaks. But like, couldn't we have done that?

751
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: As friends. Maybe we couldn't have I don't know, maybe

752
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: that's right path we had to take.

753
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Speaker 4: One Barstool had, has had continues to have kind of

754
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: thrives on controversies and you weather them in various ways.

755
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: Are you the kind of person who loves to be

756
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: in the news for like all the wrong reasons or

757
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: does that make you anxious?

758
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no. There was a time where it

759
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: was like, no such thing as bad publicity. Yeah, all

760
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: news is good news. Going viral is the name of

761
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: the game right now. And like especially Barstool was very combative,

762
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: like we would argue, like when we started, it was

763
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: a lot of newspapers who were like, ugh, bloggers, and

764
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: we were like, you guys are dinosaurs and you're going

765
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: to be extinct and you don't even see it coming.

766
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: And they thought of us as like the hacks, you know,

767
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: And then it happened across and we were like, told

768
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: you so. And it used to be like this person

769
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: would tweet tweet something at me and I would write

770
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: a whole blog responding and where you know, it was

771
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: like rappers beefing, but it was like blog beef, you know,

772
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: And it was fun in the beginning and now I'm like,

773
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: especially once you get big enough, there's like people start

774
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: to sue you and say certain things. So like when

775
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: it was fun and games in the Wild West, I

776
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of like to mix it up at barstool. We

777
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: call it in the mud. Like I lived in the mud.

778
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: I had mud gills, I could breathe in the mud. Yes.

779
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, I just want to tell some jokes, makes.

780
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: It money and get out unscathed.

781
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: I know, if somebody, if there's like a real reason

782
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: I need to defend myself, I'm all about it. But

783
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: it's just like I was making a joke, I offended

784
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: this person. Now I'm going viral and everyone's calling me

785
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: this that or the other. I'm like, uh, total anxiety, don't.

786
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: Want to know. I am.

787
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: I had such an appetite for it when I was young,

788
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 4: younger in politics, like beefing with people and fighting with

789
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: people and taking them on on Twitter and like, no,

790
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: all that, I have zero appetite for now.

791
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: I remember when Francis went through.

792
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: With Francis went through, Yeah, okay, and maybe you can

793
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: you can you can tell our audience, But like I

794
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: had anxiety for.

795
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: It was bad, but it was it was it was

796
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: timing that really sucked. Like he wrote, he wrote, like

797
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: what you know, ultimately ended up being an insensitive blog,

798
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: which we all did like a million times, you know,

799
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: but in this case, I meant it was a story

800
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: about like it was a missing what was presumed to

801
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: be a missing girl, and then there was activity on

802
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: her social media accounts and he was kind of joking

803
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: like she's fine, she's like on Instagram, and then like

804
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: an hour later, news comes out that she had been murdered.

805
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: And so it looked like this blog was written making

806
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: fun of this tragedy. And while it was like insensitive

807
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: to begin with, it was just a bad break of

808
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: like how the story ended that made him look really bad,

809
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: and Dave ultimately had to fire him because it was

810
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: just like a bad look for the company. He ended

811
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: up coming back, it was all good, but you know,

812
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: he would tell you that there was a couple of

813
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: years where and he's still to this day is affected

814
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: by it where it's almost PTSD, And so that that

815
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: was kind of a good example of like I had

816
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: written so many blogs that were insensitive or things I

817
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I was wrong on that one, and

818
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: it stayed in our little bubble.

819
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: Right once we got big enough that.

820
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: Everyone doesn't anymore, right, and and so you really got

821
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: to be careful or you got to like not give

822
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: a fuck. You got to just be like I'm not

823
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: good at that, and I used to be and now

824
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, but again, being genuine, I'm like, I never

825
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: throughout my career, I never actually intended to offend. I

826
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: said a lot of inflammatory stuff. I have an edgy

827
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: sense of humor. I have some strong, stubborn New Yorker opinions,

828
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: and those might cause controversy, but I never was like

829
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: time to like stir the pot and like people. It

830
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: just happened that way. So when I say I don't

831
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: want that, what I would love is everyone to read it,

832
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: get some information right from.

833
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, and follow me.

834
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 4: And you know, no, it's hard though, sometimes like I

835
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: look at my colleagues, my peers, my competitors, and they're

836
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: really in the mud.

837
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: I mean they're in the mud.

838
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: They're professionally living in the mud, which I could never do.

839
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: But like they're killing it, they're crushing it.

840
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. I often joke, like.

841
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: We say, like if the last line of defense right

842
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: now on the internet, if you're a female is you

843
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: can go like the only fans route for a guy.

844
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes if I just could become like a

845
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: Republican grifter, just be like, I'm going to turn into

846
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: this two a hardcore right wing red pill.

847
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: Bro same, it would just be like see you.

848
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: Especially the women who go that route, who are just

849
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: like men sucking, are women's suck and none of the

850
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: best because there's so.

851
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: Few of you.

852
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: Yes, the easiest grift in the world, so easy, I

853
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: could do it tomorrow and probably triple, quadruple, ten x everything.

854
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: But I I literally I can't lay my head down.

855
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I can't sleep at night doing that.

856
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: Me neither.

857
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: I you know, sometimes I think I'm a little too principled.

858
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, what are we doing in show business with principles?

859
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: Like what, I'm in the.

860
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: Wrong business because I watch, like, you know, the Meghan

861
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 4: Kelly's and people I used to work with, like really

862
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: cashing Ina.

863
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: I know they don't believe.

864
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Some of those people.

865
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: Did they radicalize or are they They know exactly what

866
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: they're doing and grifting.

867
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: Or they know exactly what they're So when you wash

868
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: out of every cable news company, right like when you're

869
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: Tucker Meghan, like, you go where there are fans, you

870
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: go where there are buyers for your product, and if

871
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 4: you have to change products, that's I guess the decision.

872
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: That they made.

873
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: And so Tucker went to like the Nazis and Megan

874
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: went to like, you know, the maga weirdo.

875
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: But they're rushing it.

876
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess there are times where I'm like,

877
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: who can at the end of the day make your money,

878
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: keep you know, provide for your family.

879
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: No, it really bothers me, but yeah, I don't.

880
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: I don't think I could.

881
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: I can't do it with like sports, Like I can't

882
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: give a take on sports that I don't actually believe in,

883
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: let alone some of this stuff real life stuff, you know.

884
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's uh, it's a daily battle.

885
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 4: It's not the it's not a battle for me because

886
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: I have I couldn't be any different, Like I have

887
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 4: to just say what I think and what's right and principled.

888
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: And all that.

889
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 4: But it's a battle that like I these people really

890
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: bother me, really bother me.

891
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: And I was straight up it's it's a lot of

892
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: it is like jealousy for their success, where I'm just

893
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: like he's working so well. Why everyone bad?

894
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, this shouldn't be pay.

895
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 4: I want to talk if you don't mind about something personal.

896
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 4: Your divorce, your doorce was very public and for a

897
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: person who no offense was not like a movie star,

898
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: but so a lot of people knew.

899
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: It must have been so strange.

900
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: To see it was crazy your life in the news

901
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 4: with so many people having opinions about it, like, how

902
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: did you manage that?

903
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't think I did. I think I just like,

904
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: you have no choice but just keep going.

905
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: I knew that.

906
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Again, like at that point we were popular, but like

907
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: very regional in the New England area right the east,

908
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: and also just like in my bubble of the internet,

909
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: and then that the divorce happened and there was an

910
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: affair and it was public and all of a sudden

911
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: on my page six. Yeah, TMZ's outside the office, it's

912
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: in the daily. It went international, went over the content.

913
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: I was in People magazine. I remember Dave going at

914
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: least you were in People magazine. Oh my god, yeah, great.

915
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: Thanks to me.

916
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: That was terrible. It was the worst moment in my life.

917
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: A lot of regrets, Uh, some some people understand. Other

918
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: regrets that you know, I don't think you even know

919
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: the full picture, but it was.

920
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 2: It was hell and it still is to this day.

921
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, well it's a lot better, but it's still

922
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean every day, I part of me understands. I

923
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: get I get upset sometimes when I see people who

924
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: also went through affairs and divorce and scandal, who went unscathed, like, yeah,

925
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: we cared, and I'm like, we really just pick and

926
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: choose when to be outraged, you know. Now. The difference

927
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: is a lot of those times where people kind of

928
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: go unscathed. The couple stays together or the woman stands

929
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: by her man, and that's why it's easier. In my case,

930
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: that was not the case. So it was people were like,

931
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: she's mad, she's hurt, like so are weak and so

932
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: I get that, But there are times where I'm like,

933
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: some of your favorite, like a list celebrities who were

934
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: like PG.

935
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 2: Movies went through the same thing and were not vilified.

936
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: I was, No, it feels very unfair.

937
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is unfair, but ultimately you're talking

938
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: about people who did things that are uh not great,

939
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: and so like, I can't you know, beggars can't be

940
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: choosers or you can't decide how the public reacts to

941
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: your bad decisions. But yeah, there was there's always part

942
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: of me that's like why and and like if you

943
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: want to just I think what happened then there was

944
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: two things, Like one it was the me too era

945
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: thing that helped a lot or hurt.

946
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: And two I think it was that you did anything

947
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: me too.

948
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: It was a yeah, yeah, people were coming for the men,

949
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: but you didn't do a me too oat.

950
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: And I think it was the early stages of what

951
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: we're seeing now, which is like, this is happening with

952
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: Timothy Shallamey right now. People who want to talk to

953
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: you about that, they just don't like Timothy Chalomey, and

954
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: they're using this found something. Yeah, the USA Hockey men's

955
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: women's thing. Yeah, well these people did not care about

956
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: women's hockey. They just don't like the misogyny, maga, red

957
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: pill thing going on, and this is a new way

958
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: to attack that. I think there was a lot of

959
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: people who didn't like me, didn't like barstool. We told

960
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: you they were frat bros who like misbehave, and like

961
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: we were right, I don't think you actually care about

962
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: my marriage.

963
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: Or oh of course they don't know but at that

964
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: point it was.

965
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: It was kind of new. Now I'm like, I know

966
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. You just you just have a

967
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: bias too for or against this person, and you're using

968
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: the story as confirmation bias. And that was one of

969
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: the early stages of it where at the time I

970
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: didn't realize that I was just like wow, everyone actually.

971
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: Like I really was that bad or this is that

972
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, And now you realize

973
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: it's like I was, you know, just how the internet goes.

974
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: It sucks. I really felt for you in that moment.

975
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: It has to just you know what I do really regret.

976
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: I mean, beside the obvious. Like I was at work

977
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: on Monday. It happened on like a Friday. I was like,

978
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: I gotta go on the air. I'm not miss in

979
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: a beat. I got to face the music. And I

980
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: did that out of like a I thought I was

981
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: being honorable, like I'm not going to run and hide

982
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: from this, but also like just for my mental like

983
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 1: health and SA and safety and my family, I should

984
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: have been like, let me take a beat here. Probably

985
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: there's a couple of days or something like that. Probably, Yeah,

986
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: but that's the that's the problem. You know, we became

987
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: like famous. I don't have a I don't even I still.

988
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't have an agent, I have a PR probably,

989
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: I don't have a business manager. I'm just like a

990
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: regular dude who happened to kind of stumble into this. Yeah,

991
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, it's like crisis mode.

992
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what to do.

993
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: I went to a like a crisis PR firm. I said,

994
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: why did you put out a joint statement? But you

995
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: can both post this on your Instagram, like we are

996
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: going through a tough time, but we'd like blah blah blah.

997
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: I was like, do you see what she already or not?

998
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: No, there's not So I was like I was on

999
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: my own and I just kind of I hope I

1000
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: handled as good as I can. Where I was just

1001
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: like I screwed up, and I just need to make

1002
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: it up to everybody. And you know, through years later,

1003
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: some people recognize that I did, so other people will

1004
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: still hate me forever or judge me forever.

1005
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: Kind of is I'll never forget something, Aaron Sorkin said.

1006
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: He said, bad press is like sea sickness. You think

1007
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: you're dying and everyone else thinks it's funny.

1008
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's pretty profound.

1009
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 4: I think about that a lot, because you know, in

1010
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: my business, you step in it or you know, you

1011
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: piss people off, or you have these moments, and I've

1012
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: had them in my career.

1013
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: They're awful.

1014
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 4: I hate them, but that consoles me a little bit,

1015
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: like no one's taking it as seriously as you are, and.

1016
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: They'll get over it. They'll get over well.

1017
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: And that's the main lesson for me. Yeah, was like

1018
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: if I could survive that, I can survive anything. And

1019
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: also a lot of the I used to get I

1020
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: still get a lot, but I used to really get

1021
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: a lot of hate that was like you're not funny,

1022
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: or this blogger is better than you. That stuff used

1023
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: to like cut me to the core. And then when

1024
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: there was a very real critique and criticism where I

1025
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: had to look at myself in the mirror and be like,

1026
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: I made some really like bad behavior decisions that I

1027
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: need to fix, like all the other like that doesn't

1028
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: even register anymore radar. So in a way, you know,

1029
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: I can't I can't recommend it, but I like for

1030
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: a quote that I go back to a lot. I

1031
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: don't know the exact quote.

1032
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: But Hunter S.

1033
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Thompson has like a piece called the Edge, and he's

1034
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: basically the summary is the only people who can talk

1035
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: about the edge that people who have gone over it.

1036
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: Because I used to get a lot of people. Why

1037
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: would I ever listen to this guy again on relationship

1038
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: advice or how can he judge other people when this

1039
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: has happened?

1040
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: And I understand that, but.

1041
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, I'm the guy you should be

1042
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: thing too, because I've gone through it.

1043
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: I can tell you we'll do this, do this, this

1044
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: is what's right, this is what's wrong.

1045
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: So you know, a lot of people can judge from

1046
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: a distance, but once you go over, it's like I

1047
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: know what the edge looks like, I know what's on

1048
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: the other side.

1049
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: You don't.

1050
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 4: Before we get to a lightning round, I do. I

1051
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 4: did want to ask you about Timothy tim Otey Challa.

1052
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 4: May I have mixed feelings on this? You go, you

1053
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: tell me what I think.

1054
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: Again, this is not this is nothing new because it

1055
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: is just like if you don't like someone and now

1056
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: you have some AMMO.

1057
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1058
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: So in that regard part of the course other side

1059
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: of things, I think we have entered in two psychosis

1060
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: like I think there are people. I saw a video

1061
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: of someone breaking down his linguistics, like his inflection and

1062
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: the way he was saying it, and people like screaming

1063
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: and yelling about it, and I'm like, again, these are

1064
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: people who aren't going to the opera, who don't care

1065
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: about the ballot.

1066
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're just you.

1067
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: Here's what Timothy Schallamy. They don't like that he's dating

1068
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner. They don't like that he started out as

1069
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: this thespian artsy artful mail written by a feminist type

1070
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: of character, you know. And it turns out he's got

1071
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: a baddie, he likes the Knicks, Yes, courtside with rappers.

1072
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: He's a normal New York guy, has dumb internet videos,

1073
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: and they don't like that. And this is an example

1074
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: where they can say, like, we told you so, he's

1075
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: the yeah. And then you know, I started to learn

1076
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: because again I.

1077
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: Think he's right.

1078
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Nobody goes to or knows about the opera and ballet

1079
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: except for a small niche which is ultimately his point.

1080
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: But then I'm learning how like those are funded by

1081
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: donations and donors. It's artificially propped up by the elite

1082
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: world to remain this very elite, timeless art form. And

1083
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: I think ultimately he was like, I don't want to

1084
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: do that. I want to do art that is well

1085
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: found and tasteful but consumed by the masses. I think

1086
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: it is like a totally fair statement about his own career. Yeah,

1087
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: and I yeah, I guess you could say it was

1088
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: like disparaging those industries, but I think he was just speaking,

1089
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, inconvenient truth for those those fans like and again,

1090
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: if the if the victim here is like the ballet

1091
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: and opera industry, I think we'll all survive.

1092
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: I think.

1093
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: And I just love that while the Internet is melting down,

1094
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: he's over in Japan and China, like he's on these

1095
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: talking he is totally unbothered. I just think we focus

1096
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: on the wrong people sometimes, like men's hockey team. Are

1097
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: they are they like the villains you're painting them out

1098
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: to be in a world right now where there are

1099
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: actual pedophiles and rape villains and villains, like, let's focus

1100
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: on them and not the person who is kind of

1101
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: embodied a little piece of that.

1102
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: For for like a minute.

1103
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 4: Yea yeah, uh okay, uh, let's do a lightning round.

1104
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: What's your favorite news outlet? Where do you get your news?

1105
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying.

1106
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to just give you an honest answer rather

1107
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: than just like throw out a high brow publication. It's

1108
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: mostly like the Internet in a weird way. It's like

1109
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like an I've been working on

1110
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: my algorithm for like so long to.

1111
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's giving you exactly what you need.

1112
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: And then from there it's like whatever outlet is covering

1113
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: that story, I'll kind of jump around to the various

1114
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: newspapers and but I I it's more like personalities to

1115
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: be honest, like you are, Like I'll go to you,

1116
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I'll go to some of the guys from like pod

1117
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: Save America.

1118
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: I'll go like that.

1119
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: So it's I guess, like whatever outlets some of my

1120
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: favorite influencers and like analysts work for, but I don't.

1121
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: It's not like I definitely don't have a like I'm

1122
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: a Fox News guy or I'm a Sandae guy.

1123
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: Right.

1124
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: If anything, that's the problem is, I think you should

1125
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: kind of spread it around so you get a.

1126
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: H what is the worst viral trend?

1127
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: I have a real problem with Twitter these days. This

1128
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be a little bit niche. I used to

1129
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: love Twitter. Barstool put all their eggs in the Twitter basket. Yeah,

1130
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: with live tweet games and award shows and national TV moments,

1131
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: and that's where we who are following. And it was funny, man,

1132
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: you could find random people who were funnier than the

1133
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: best comedian.

1134
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: Oh I remember, it was the best.

1135
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: And then now then it became like just the political

1136
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: bloodbath arguing for him. But what's going on right now

1137
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: is like vague posting on Twitter where it's just like

1138
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: they're not mentioning who or what it's about. They'll just

1139
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: be like, oh that guy, I can't believe that guy

1140
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: like said that, yes, and it's it's like talk about

1141
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: Timothy Shalloman the opera, but they will like blur out

1142
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: their name or not mention it and that and like

1143
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: those like right now, there's that trend on Twitter where

1144
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: they break the photos up into four pictures.

1145
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: Have you seen that?

1146
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: Huh?

1147
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: Yes?

1148
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 2: Click, I just it's just like mindless dumb.

1149
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: It's getting your clicks.

1150
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: And these meme accounts are growing.

1151
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: But it used to be a place of like funny

1152
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: jokes and actual analysis, if you will, or like kind

1153
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: of interesting information.

1154
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: Now it's just this.

1155
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Wasteless, successfulaw I just hate it, man, it's disgusting.

1156
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: I hate it too, love it in.

1157
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 2: A good way. I'm not as addicted to Twitter anymore,

1158
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: so it's a good thing.

1159
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: Same.

1160
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because it's it's so gross.

1161
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: It used to be a place that could really promote

1162
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: your work and grow your following, and it was reaching

1163
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: people that wanted to be reached. And now it's just

1164
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 4: like you can't you can't throw a dart without hitting

1165
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: a bot.

1166
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: Or a try or like it's just a faith.

1167
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: Everything is so paid, Like you can just see all

1168
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: the political on this side, got their talking points.

1169
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: They're all a thing. It's any used to be.

1170
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel real anymore.

1171
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: No, it's I mean, it's definitely not real.

1172
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: That's that was another thing that helped me get through

1173
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: all my drama was like, I mean there was obviously

1174
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: some real criticism, but once you start to realize that,

1175
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is one person who runs fifty accounts.

1176
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 4: Right right, you know, yeah, what would you tell young

1177
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 4: content creators not to do?

1178
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: Probably not start a podcast.

1179
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: I think right now people are like, let me get

1180
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: my microphone and my headphones and me and my friend

1181
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: will start a podcast. I think there's two things. One,

1182
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: the idea of like a long form sit down audio

1183
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: is not it anymore?

1184
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: Like that's like what we're doing right here.

1185
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like weird grandfather did, Like I think you

1186
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: can do it. You know, it's starting it. Because my

1187
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: second point is yea, there is so much competition now.

1188
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: And it's not just competition. It's like your favorite athletes,

1189
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: your favorite singers, entertainers are now coming into this link.

1190
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: Your favorite politician has a podcast.

1191
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: I used to joke Whitney Cummings came on my show

1192
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: to promote the launch of her podcast many years ago.

1193
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: Uh huh, and I jokingly but half jokingly, was like,

1194
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: get out of here. You you're a show runner, you're

1195
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: famous and rich, you're good. I need these sponsorship dollars.

1196
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: I need these views, and you're gonna come eat them all.

1197
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: And then like within that year, every comedian who we

1198
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: rose to prominence because the comedians came on our show.

1199
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: Now it's like, we're just gonna go to the comedian show,

1200
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 2: you know. And I you know, I can't.

1201
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: I can't lie if I say come listen to my

1202
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: podcast and someone says, well, I could listen to you,

1203
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: or my two favorite NBA players who are retired and

1204
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: telling war story from behind the scenes, or your favorite

1205
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: singer was telling me about what happened on tour or whatever.

1206
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: It's really become Hollywood. It's become show business. It used

1207
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: to be like I could get famous. Now it's like, no,

1208
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: you got to be the Leonardo Dicapriolas.

1209
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, totally. So.

1210
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: I would say, if you're normal regular the short form video,

1211
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a time commitment. You need

1212
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: to prove you know, Okay, I've seen this person a

1213
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: few times, I'll keep following them because if you're just

1214
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: gonna ask them right now to listen to you for

1215
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: like two hours when you don't have an established presence,

1216
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: like right, I don't think.

1217
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: I think that's good advice. What's the best movie about sports?

1218
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: Cinderella?

1219
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: Man, Oh, yes, I kind of have.

1220
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: That's a probably a pretty not popular answer.

1221
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: No it isn't.

1222
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: It's I think it is just one of the best

1223
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: movies of all time, let alone best sports movie of

1224
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: all time. It's like boxing and the Great Depression and

1225
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: like the the the Plight of man trying to like

1226
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: provide and a bounce back story it's all a true story,

1227
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: Russell Crowe, Paul Giamatti.

1228
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: It's directed by Ron Howard.

1229
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: I remember thinking that was gonna win the Oscars, and

1230
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: I think people say it came out too early in

1231
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: the years, by the time the os But uh, yeah,

1232
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: The Bulldog of Bergin Jack James James J.

1233
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: Braddock is like, to me, I think that movie is perfect.

1234
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I have to go see that.

1235
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: What's the most overrated movie about sports?

1236
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: Uh?

1237
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: Maybe remember The Titans. I liked that movie a lot.

1238
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: It is a good movie, but it's like everyone's favorite.

1239
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to me, I'd have.

1240
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: To imagine that was probably a little bit of like

1241
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: creative liberties were taken.

1242
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, I don't.

1243
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: Know if it really went down this way, like wait,

1244
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: everyone getting along in racial harmony, like one practice where

1245
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: they fought, Like, I don't know, I'm sure it was

1246
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: probably Oh you know what, No, no, no, I have

1247
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: a real answer.

1248
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: The blind Side, The blind Side like winning.

1249
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: I think it won the Oscar, right, she won that

1250
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: that that was a terrible time for the Academy whenever

1251
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: that one.

1252
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: That movie, it was fine, but it was so schmaltzy.

1253
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: And and then like you find out behind the truth

1254
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: is like they didn't really Yeah, it's like, nah, this

1255
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: was not it. Yep.

1256
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1257
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: Who is due for a biopeck that you would like

1258
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: to see Dave.

1259
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: Portnoy Okay, Dave's got his book coming out in June,

1260
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: and part of me thinks that that was done because

1261
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: I think he maybe ultimately wants a movie, like someone

1262
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: to buy the movie rights or something like that.

1263
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1264
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying like, you know, obviously that's

1265
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: kind of a funny answer, but I really do believe

1266
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: we what we did, like will never be done again,

1267
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: like just because of timing, Like it can't be done again.

1268
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: There's just one period of time like maybe the only

1269
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: guys on the planet that could have done it, and

1270
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: we did it, and it happened to coincide. It needed

1271
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: to coincide with Boston sports and the rise of the

1272
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: Internet and then the me Too movement versus the social media,

1273
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, all of it, like that alchemy coming together.

1274
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: I think would make for a really great movie, whether

1275
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: it's you know, fictionalized or.

1276
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: Documentary or whatever kind of Like I could see it

1277
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: in the style of Air.

1278
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 2: Yeah right, you're to put it? Yeah, yeah, yep.

1279
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to talk about pizza for a second. Yeah,

1280
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 4: I live in Connecticut. The Connecticut Pizza's trash capital.

1281
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah.

1282
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: I don't like the uh Sally's and Pep Beezer or a.

1283
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 4: Pizza Pep Banes. I mean, it's fine, it's not trash.

1284
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: It's fine.

1285
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Fine. But when I went there and I waited on

1286
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: a line and I was told all these things and

1287
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: then I eat it, I.

1288
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: Was like, can you feel scammed?

1289
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: Like?

1290
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: Is this just marketing?

1291
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: And that's where but I try not to be like

1292
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: contrarian where it's like I do this a lot, like

1293
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: I here's my hottest take right now.

1294
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: I don't care for the movie Sinners, and that makes me.

1295
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm racist, I'm dumb.

1296
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: I just think it was kind of a like vampire movie.

1297
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: It was dust till dawn, but now we're giving it

1298
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: like twenty oscars, right, And but that a lot of

1299
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: that was because I saw it late.

1300
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: I saw it that point the horse was out of

1301
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: the barn, greatest movie ever. And then I watched it, I.

1302
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: Was like, what this is you feel about Connecticut pizza?

1303
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is the deal?

1304
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: And I I and I do like like I think

1305
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: New York pizza is better. It's not just like, oh well,

1306
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: I think it's the best. Yeah, to me, it's it's

1307
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 2: not really even particularly close.

1308
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, good. What was your worst vacation.

1309
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: Any anyone I've gone on since having kids?

1310
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: Well, here's what I say. When you take your kids,

1311
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: it's not a vacation, it's a trip.

1312
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a great way to put on a trip.

1313
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 3: It's not a vacation.

1314
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: I remember Luisy K's like favorite, my favorite joke of

1315
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: his is he said his vacation is when he puts

1316
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: his kid in the car and closes the door, his

1317
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: walk from the around to the driver's seat, that's his vacation,

1318
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: but he's no longer for his kids. I actually really

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Speaker 1: don't travel much. It's something I want to do. Like

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Speaker 1: for so long I was like addicted to the internet

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Speaker 1: and not missing a story. I didn't miss an episode

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Speaker 1: of my show for like a decade, and so I

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Speaker 1: don't even have many good vacations to tell you of.

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Speaker 2: It's like I go to like the Jersey Shore, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to change that in some of my

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Speaker 2: later years.

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Speaker 3: Get out there, Get out there, man. Okay, this is

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Speaker 3: the last question.

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Speaker 4: It's very important to me. We ask it at the

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Speaker 4: end of every podcast. When is it iced coffee season.

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Speaker 2: I don't drink coffee.

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Speaker 3: You don't drink coffee.

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00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: But I would say this if I did, Okay, all

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Speaker 2: year round.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a correct answer. The correct answer is all

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Speaker 3: I drink.

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Speaker 1: I put I'm white trash, and I put ice cubes

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Speaker 1: in my red wine, and I drink it year round.

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Speaker 2: I'll drink it in the winter. I'll drink it in

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Speaker 2: the summer. Eighty ninety degree day at the beach.

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Speaker 1: Pop a bottle of cabernet.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 1: I am a huge fan, dude, have have You could

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Speaker 1: be on the beach drinking red wine and eating your

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: steak well done while you put ketchup on your hot dog.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about any of it. I'm not eating it.

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Speaker 1: You do what you want. Let me eat how I

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Speaker 1: want to eat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah done.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Kevin Clancy, KFC. It's been such a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: This was great.

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Speaker 1: You know what. You were really one of the first

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Speaker 1: like legitimate people to kind of co sign us or

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Speaker 1: tolerate us, you know, and it meant it actually really

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00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: helped a lot along the years of like really yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: when it was just like here's a legitimate journalist and

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Speaker 1: you know, media person who you respect, who is taking

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Speaker 1: the time to do a podcast or come.

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Speaker 2: Around and say I thought you guys were great.

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Speaker 1: Well, but so many people at that time were like

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00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: these are the devil and like did you ever get

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00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: any like pushback of people being like I can't believe

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00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: you're oh yeah, yeah yeah. But I'm appreciate that though,

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00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: because it's easy to just not do those things and

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00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: not take that hit, but you wanted to do it,

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Speaker 1: you did it.

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Speaker 2: It helped us.

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Speaker 4: I was impressed by you guys, and I think I

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Speaker 4: did Rigs too, because he was all up on Sirias

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Speaker 4: and like that's what I was covering, so like it

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00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 4: wasn't all nonsense. I mean, I thought you guys were

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Speaker 4: really putting out great products and I could see that

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Speaker 4: this was going to be sort of the future. And

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Speaker 4: I I went to the office and like, you all

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Speaker 4: took your jobs very seriously.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, when people show up, they think we're

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00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: gonna be playing like beer pong, and like no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this was real.

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Speaker 3: You know what's crazy?

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Speaker 4: Oh this just popped into my head when I went

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00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 4: to the office, I popped into like meet Dave and.

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Speaker 3: He was like, I was at the rn C or

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00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: the DNC and I said high and you didn't say

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00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: hi to me. And I was like what, Like, I

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Speaker 3: have no memory of this.

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00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 4: You know, these conventions are madhouses, and I have no

1387
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: memory of this. And I was like, oh my god,

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00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 4: did I snub a prez because like I never would

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00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: have done that, But anyway, you.

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Speaker 3: Have to tell him, like I didn't know that I

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00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: did that.

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Speaker 1: But it isn't interesting that, like, yeah, I think again

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00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: for better or worse, because maybe we've gone a little

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00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: too far the other direction. Like especially politics in the

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00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: country has really become like everyone's voice, Like how do

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00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: I articulate this? It's like it used to only be

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00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: talked about by like the people in the political.

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Speaker 2: World, and now it's extended to the masses.

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Speaker 1: I think that was kind of like, hey, we're like

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Speaker 1: sports fans and we like comedy, but like we have

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Speaker 1: thoughts and opinions on this, sure that we can articulate.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, maybe if people started

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Speaker 1: to listen to like people like us more or recognize

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00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: that regular people voices are gonna matter.

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00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: Whether they should or not, I can't say, but they're

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Speaker 2: going to matter.

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Speaker 1: And we were kind of like the beginning of that

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Speaker 1: where it was like we can talk on all this

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: stuff and we're going to Maybe we went a little

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00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: too far, because sometimes I'm like, I think that there's

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Speaker 1: maybe like one thousand people in the whole country who

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Speaker 1: should able to vote everyone else.

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00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: They're not educated enough and know what's going on. Like

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Speaker 2: make just the electoral college and make it really tiny.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 4: On that note, we'll say goodbye, thanks Kevin, And where

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Speaker 4: can people find you?

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Speaker 1: They just follow me on at KFC Barstool for the

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Speaker 1: social media stuff, mostly on Instagram, and then my my

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: YouTube page is currently my old podcast.

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01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: So you can go watch those episodes.

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01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: But I'll be retooling that soon enough, so it's a

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: little bit dormant right now, but if you don't mind

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01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: giving me a subscription, we'll we'll get it going soon.

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01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: So KMC Barstool on social media, KFC Radio on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Perfect thanks bud guys.

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Speaker 4: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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Speaker 4: part of the Reason Choice Network.

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Speaker 3: If you want more, check out the other.

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Speaker 4: For Off the Cup, I am your host, Se Cup.

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01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,720
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