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Speaker 1: The Fred Show is on. It's Stay or Go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Carrie is here. Hi, Carry, good morning, good morning, Rry.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Stay or Go. Thank you for your note. You

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Speaker 2: can hit us up a lot of different places, Fred

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Speaker 2: Show Radio. You can dam us fredshiw Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with this dude? This is your boyfriend

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Speaker 2: of two years?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, I need some advice?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been dating this guy for two years exactly,

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Speaker 3: and he didn't exactly graduate college like you said he did.

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Speaker 2: He didn't exactly graduate Blakey, So he didn't graduate. Is

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Speaker 2: this the guy from is this the the expert witness

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Speaker 2: from the Karen Reid Trail? He didn't graduate? Is that

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Speaker 2: who you're dating? So this guy says he graduated college,

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Speaker 2: but he didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For the entirety of our relationship, he's acted like he

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Speaker 3: did like rep in his school, acting like he had

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Speaker 3: a bachelor's degree, like rooting for the team, wearing the merch.

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Speaker 5: So did he go to the school at all? Did

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Speaker 5: he do any of it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well it's it's not like entirely lie like he

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Speaker 3: did go there, He just like didn't graduate. And that's

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Speaker 3: what he said when I confronted him about it.

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Speaker 6: And I was like, I never would have cared if.

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Speaker 3: You didn't graduate, but like, why lie?

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Speaker 2: You know, okay, so you would you would like ask

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Speaker 2: him pointed questions and he like, it's just the story

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Speaker 2: wasn't coming together. I mean, because again, I don't really

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Speaker 2: know how if I said I went to college, and

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Speaker 2: would you say, can I see your diploma or something?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean I guess other than that, how would you

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Speaker 2: know he could have kept this going forever?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were just some things like some things and

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Speaker 3: dates and stuff that like didn't align. But I'm and

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Speaker 3: so I just I just I finally asked, and it

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Speaker 3: was it was fucking me. And he said he was

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Speaker 3: embarrassed and that lie felt easier, okay, And I just like,

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he can lie about something it really

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter, Like what else can you lie about?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the guy's a liar. The guy's a liar.

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Speaker 2: He lied to you for two years about something very

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Speaker 2: basic that he could I mean, that would have bothered

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Speaker 2: me so much. I mean, I'm a lot of things,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a liar. So I think if I had

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Speaker 2: lied and then you know, we're still together in six months,

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Speaker 2: and I mean at some point that's going to come up.

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Speaker 2: And at some point it's gonna again, where's your diploma? Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, there are there are ways. No, I

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Speaker 2: couldn't live like that, but he just kept it going

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Speaker 2: for two years. So no, the guy's a liar. You

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Speaker 2: have to dump him. It's over anything else? Or should

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Speaker 2: we just move on?

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Speaker 3: That's my fear.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, let me.

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Speaker 2: Take some phone calls on this, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: survey the room, but I want to I want to

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Speaker 2: see what people have to say.

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Speaker 5: Stair go on this one. Carrie, have the radio on,

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Speaker 5: good luck, thank you?

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Speaker 2: Eight five. So this woman found out, you know, I

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Speaker 2: guess by poking around a little bit. Finally the guy

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Speaker 2: came clean. The guy should been diating for two years?

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Speaker 2: Did that in fact go to graduate from college? I

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Speaker 2: guess maybe he did attend at some point, but he

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Speaker 2: did not graduate from college.

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Speaker 5: Is his name? Break up able? Dumpable event?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 5: I have to say it has to be.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, you can that easily lie about a major

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Speaker 2: life event like that.

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Speaker 5: What else are you lying about?

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Speaker 6: Exactly?

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Speaker 7: What if it was embarrassed, you shouldn't be embarrassed.

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Speaker 5: Right, So maybe he doesn't want to like, you know,

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Speaker 5: say he dropped out. How many people have started college

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Speaker 5: he didn't finish a lot. That's nothing to be embarrassed

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Speaker 2: He was flexing. He wanted to impress her with something

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Speaker 2: back and being like, hey, you know what I told

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Speaker 2: you something that wasn't true. I mean, how long was

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Speaker 2: he going to keep this going forever? Were they going

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Speaker 2: to get married and stuff?

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Speaker 4: So we we forgive people for like making out with

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Speaker 4: someone one time and not leaving them, but we won't

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Speaker 4: forgive them for being embarrassed about something and coming clean

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Speaker 3: Events.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that I did. Who made out with him?

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Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't forgive it about it. I like

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Speaker 5: talk about that.

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh, it's a one off, it's a makeout.

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Speaker 4: Like for me, i'd be absolutely leave, but this one

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Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily like I need to know.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between a bad decision one

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Speaker 2: time and an outright concerted, consistent lot.

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Speaker 4: But how often are they talking about his like Alma Mater?

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Speaker 4: Like how often is he lying about it? Like is

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Speaker 4: it a few times.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're claiming a major life accomplishment that you

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Speaker 2: didn't accomplish, and you're making me believe that.

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Speaker 5: Why is that okay?

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Speaker 2: For me?

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Speaker 5: That's okay?

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Speaker 2: So if your boyfriend were like I went to college

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Speaker 2: and graduated and it turned out years later he didn't

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Speaker 2: if that'd be okay?

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Speaker 4: If he came clean and said I was really ashamed

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Speaker 4: and it has nothing to do with you, Like, maybe

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Speaker 4: there'd be conversations, for.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I'd question everything. Oh yeah, like what else you

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Speaker 5: lying about?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but like for me a name, but

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Speaker 4: like cheating is I would that's a I don't care

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Speaker 4: if you peck kiss whatever I'm leaving, So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting I guess comparison. But is there a

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Speaker 2: difference between a bad choice and I would depend the

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Speaker 2: severity of the choice, By the way, a kiss would

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Speaker 2: be different from me than would be a six month

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Speaker 2: emotional affair would be different than a physical Like, like, you.

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Speaker 5: Know that's a lie though you're not telling me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lie is not a lie. I think

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Speaker 2: there are different levels of lies. I think I do

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Speaker 2: think there are different severity levels of lies. You telling

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Speaker 2: me that you accomplish something so that you can purport

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Speaker 2: to be someone you're not is way worse to me,

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Speaker 2: I think, And then to be consistent with it, like

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Speaker 2: just just turn around and say, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just come clean.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess sometimes people lie so much or

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Speaker 2: they or their lies get so deep that then they

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Speaker 2: can't find their way out of them, you know, but

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Speaker 2: that's pathological.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Citiason this to me on like.

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Speaker 8: The I guess the spectrum of offenses in a relationship

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Speaker 8: is very low for me, like like like Calen said,

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Speaker 8: I think we need to have a conversation of once

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Speaker 8: it comes out, like why, But I'm just assuming that

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Speaker 8: he doesn't want to own up to the fact that

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Speaker 8: he dropped out of college. Yes, a lot of people

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Speaker 8: do it, but I don't think people are necessarily proud

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Speaker 8: of it. So it's like, Okay, let's have an actual

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Speaker 8: conversation of why and what were the reasons behind it,

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Speaker 8: and then that will probably bring us closer. I don't know,

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Speaker 8: it doesn't seem like something that's.

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Speaker 2: Like a okay, but that's a conversation that you would

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Speaker 2: follow up with not long after you told the lie.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't keep the lie going for all this time.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a conversation you have once it gets

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Speaker 2: found out.

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Speaker 5: But why do I have to catch you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you want me to marry you, and you're

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Speaker 2: telling me that you accomplished something over the course of

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Speaker 2: four years you didn't do.

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Speaker 5: That's valor.

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Speaker 7: I mean also, I don't put a lot of weight

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Speaker 7: into college degrees, Like that's not something that's.

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Speaker 5: What an accomplishment.

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Speaker 2: You're not focused on the thing, and I'm focused on

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Speaker 2: the level of the lie. I mean, you lied to

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Speaker 2: someone and you kept it up for years and years

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Speaker 2: and years over something you simply didn't do. That wasn't

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Speaker 2: a steak. That was a conscious choice to continue lying

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Speaker 2: to me. So what else is easy for you to

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Speaker 2: lie about? I don't like it, Jackie.

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Speaker 5: How you doing, hello, Fred?

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Speaker 3: How about you?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: So this this woman's calling up because you've somehow found

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Speaker 2: out that there her boyfriend of two years lied about

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Speaker 2: completing his college degree. And now you know these guys

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Speaker 2: in here, he's these guys in here are like saying.

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Speaker 5: Better than that, But I don't know about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a lusive because you know what you lie about?

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Speaker 9: One thing You're going to watch again.

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Speaker 5: Jack Do you keep? Do you keep?

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Speaker 9: I have?

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Speaker 6: I don't have a Southern backbone. I have an Alton backbone.

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Speaker 6: And once a liars you fall into the category of

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Speaker 6: being a snitch. You know, got Jackie?

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Speaker 5: Wow? Aggressive, Thank you Jackie. Hey, Jackie, you and.

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Speaker 2: I are as long as we're always good, you know,

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Speaker 2: will be fine.

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Speaker 6: We'll be fine. Bred, I wisten to you every morning.

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Speaker 9: And Keithy, I absolutely love you.

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Speaker 6: I think you're doing an awesome job.

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Speaker 2: I love you. You wind up in a canal somewhere, Jackie.

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Speaker 5: You have a good day.

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Speaker 6: Fred. I'm conscious. I told my car when I talk

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Speaker 6: on the phone, I.

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Speaker 2: Do not No, no, I meant. I meant if we

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Speaker 2: disagree with you, we wind up dead. But no, that's never.

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Speaker 6: I would never hold anyone.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Jackie, thank you, Jackie, have a good day.

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Speaker 5: I love you and I would not love you, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: No snitches over here, no snitches, I tell you. Hey, Stephanie, Hi, wow,

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Speaker 2: follow that call up?

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Speaker 5: How you doing good?

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Speaker 9: I don't want to get on her backside?

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Speaker 2: No, no, what do you think? So if first of all,

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Speaker 2: I guess It's it's like kind of two parts. Here

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Speaker 2: is a lie a lie? I mean, are they all

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Speaker 2: the same? Is every the same? Is there a difference

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Speaker 2: between a lie and a mistake? Is there a difference between,

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Speaker 2: you know, continuing to tell a lie or letting a

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Speaker 2: lie persist? And what would you do in this situation

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Speaker 2: if you're this woman who found out that her boyfriend

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Speaker 2: in two years didn't really graduate from college.

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Speaker 9: I feel like we need more information. I mean, was

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Speaker 9: it did he actually flat out say I went to school,

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Speaker 9: I graduated, this is when I graduated? Or was it

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Speaker 9: I went to school there? And he just kind of

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Speaker 9: omitted the information of not graduating. You know, sounds like.

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Speaker 2: Every Sunday this dude slapped a sweatshirt on and cheered

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Speaker 2: for the team, like you know, like like you know,

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Speaker 2: like you've been going to games for four years.

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Speaker 9: You know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I

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Speaker 5: But did you lie about it or did you just

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 9: So I grew up a fan and always wore the

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Speaker 5: Still wore the Stephanie, I got news for you.

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Speaker 2: You can be a fan of a school you didn't

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Speaker 9: Maybe that's what he was doing. He's just a fan.

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Speaker 9: It was maybe like a white lie. You know, he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Elizabeth, thank you, have a good day.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, and yees.

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Speaker 2: Someone mentioned the season one of the rehearsal, there's a

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Speaker 5: But I don't think that. I don't know how long

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Speaker 2: These were these were friends, they weren't lovers, and I

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Speaker 5: Finally on his own. He didn't get caught. He came.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know if you could lie that

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Speaker 2: that's another level. Elizabeth, Hi, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Fred?

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Speaker 5: Hey? Good morning? What do you want to say? Stare Go?

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Speaker 6: I love you guys, And I'm going to say, stay okay,

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Speaker 6: why And the reason is I did that same thing?

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Speaker 6: And exactly I I, well, I went to school, but

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Speaker 6: But everybody said, oh, did.

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Speaker 9: You do this?

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Speaker 4: Yay wrong?

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Speaker 6: I put it on my resume at one point in everything.

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Speaker 6: And for me, I, like I said, I had some

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Speaker 6: I went to this school.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: But here's my question, Holly, in the confines of a relationship,

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Speaker 5: This sounds like this is a lie. He kept telling

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Speaker 1: No, I did the.

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Speaker 6: Same thing until somebody. It was actually my brother that

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Speaker 6: He did graduate, and he was like, Elizabeth, you never graduated.

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Speaker 6: Why do you tell people like, Okay, Well, you know what.

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Speaker 6: That's where you graduate. I'm like, no, I graduated it

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: To most people I know that are Notre Dame fans,

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Speaker 6: That my dad? So I had to otherwise I was

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Speaker 5: Well, as far as I'm gonna start, you went and

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Speaker 5: you graduated.

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Speaker 3: Does mean you're.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Lizabeth? Thank you have a good day about that.

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Speaker 5: Is there a harmless lie? Bro Yes? I mean I

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Speaker 2: I don't think every lie is the same, but I

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Speaker 5: We sleep together every That's what I mean. Like, what

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Speaker 7: Bring me in on a line, Because everyone in a

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Speaker 5: All the time. What are you lying about? Jason? Do

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Speaker 7: No, who is honest to their partner one hundred person?

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Speaker 5: Come on, girl, Okay, okay, but so this person.

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Speaker 2: But I think the part that's lost on you is

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Speaker 2: is different than a one time liar of fib Oh. No,

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Speaker 2: I did switch to laundry. No, I went to college.

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Speaker 2: And I'm telling you this for two years.

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Speaker 5: Did they talk about it every day?

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 5: I cannot.

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Speaker 2: You got me in the world time about Jason went

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Speaker 2: to Harvey Yeah you know, man, Jason, Yes he did.

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Speaker 5: He went to Harvard. Girl, Well, I didn't go to Harvard.

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Speaker 5: I didn't graduate.

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Speaker 2: You guys are at I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't

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Speaker 5: It was that easy.

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Speaker 4: You're looking at me every day pretending you didn't make

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Speaker 5: So it's not just a bad choice. I think that's

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Speaker 2: I just I disagree. I disagree because I can't undo.

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Speaker 2: I can undo the lie. I can't undo the makeout.

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Speaker 2: I can never do that again.

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Speaker 5: You're lying, looking at me, acting like you've been faithful.

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Speaker 2: Both.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I agreed. Are you faithful? I guess, but

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't unfaithful my saying I can't, I can't something

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Speaker 2: I can do about I can tell you I lied

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Speaker 2: and even go to college. I can't unkiss the person

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Speaker 2: The entertainer of Porting two Men