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Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Commi's a myth and bullshit Radio phonic

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Speaker 1: Novella Local Radio hosted by Malamn. Hello, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: local radio. Welcome back, Welcome back. This is Mala and

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Speaker 1: this is Disa and we are last Radio coming to

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Speaker 1: you once again from Radio Espacio emboil Heights. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for tuning in to another capital. Thank you for tuning

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Speaker 1: in to local radio Radio Phonic Novella, where we archive

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Speaker 1: the brilliant legacies and geniuses of women and fems of color.

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Speaker 1: Yes we do, Yes we do. And today we have

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Speaker 1: another amazing, beautiful, talented, incredible special guest with us. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna introduce her in a second. We're gonna have Disa

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Speaker 1: read her bio for us. Yes, So today we have

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Speaker 1: a little different format. We're gonna do a little Minia Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: and we're so excited to have Jackie Priego on the show.

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Speaker 1: She's the writer, creator, and co director of the web

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Speaker 1: series Pink Slip, which just premiered. So we have the

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Speaker 1: exclusive interview for our locamotives. Were so excited. Hi Jackie,

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Speaker 1: Hi Jackie, Hi ladies. I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, We're so glad we could catch you while

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Speaker 1: you're here in l A. Yeah. Originally from Chicago, the

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Speaker 1: Windy City, so it's kind of a ways away from home,

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Speaker 1: but you all make me feel right at home here

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Speaker 1: in l A. So can you tell us what you're

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Speaker 1: doing on here in l A. What brings you to

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Speaker 1: the West Coast? Yes, definitely. I came out to l

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Speaker 1: A because I'm ready to make some dreams happen. I

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Speaker 1: wrote a web series about four years ago and that

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Speaker 1: manifested itself into a full fledged five episode web series

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Speaker 1: that premiered here in l A before are um launching

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Speaker 1: on the website worldwide. Um, you can catch the show

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Speaker 1: at pink slipped dot org. And UM, I'm just ready

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Speaker 1: to see where this dream takes me next. And Jackie

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Speaker 1: so Um, I've been following a little bit pink slipped

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Speaker 1: on the Instagram. But for those who haven't seen the

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Speaker 1: clips been introduced some of the characters. Can you tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit more about pink slipped for sure?

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Speaker 1: So pink Slip follows the lives of three best friends, Jacqueline, Elena,

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Speaker 1: and Rosie, who are all in their early thirties. Single,

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Speaker 1: um and all on the verge of losing their jobs,

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Speaker 1: something I think that a lot of us can find

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Speaker 1: very relatable. A lot of millennial Latinas, a lot of

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Speaker 1: us millennial Latinas and um. They work in different sectors.

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Speaker 1: One of the characters works in a nonprofit space, and

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Speaker 1: other works in UH works for publishing house for magazine,

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Speaker 1: and the third is kind of like a question. It's

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Speaker 1: a miss story where she works and you have to

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Speaker 1: tune in to see why. That's definitely relatable. They have

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Speaker 1: been in the nonprofit sector for a long time well,

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Speaker 1: and I we have friends in media and in journalism publishing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: definitely relatable, and all of those areas can be rocky

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Speaker 1: employment wise, I stress overworked, lots of hours, no overtime. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of vicarious trauma that goes along with

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Speaker 1: working at a nonprofit. I absolutely. I think we all

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Speaker 1: can at We've all talked about our trauma. Are multiple

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Speaker 1: traumas on this pod. A lot of our listeners also

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Speaker 1: work in the nonprofit sector. You've talked about how Latina's

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Speaker 1: really get funneled into that. Yep, that world definitely and

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Speaker 1: the show. What I really wanted to touch upon with

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Speaker 1: about power. So so often when it comes to Latino

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Speaker 1: make it about power. So if you watch the show,

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Speaker 1: you'll see that um Jacqueline works at a women's empowerment

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Speaker 1: sorry about it. Don't be sorry. I've had Latino women

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Speaker 1: make comments like, oh, yes, I'm coming to work, y'all,

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Speaker 1: And I was, like, you know, the young one and

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Speaker 1: people have actually asked me, like, oh, so, what is

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Speaker 1: five years ago and learning that Latinas make fifty four

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Speaker 1: it was mind blowing. So I focused on what I thought,

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Speaker 1: or consider it to be three big issues that affect

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so, Jackie, Prego, thank you for being here. Go

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