1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Well, now you'll have to get a new card. Already 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: brought one. It's got two search lights, two such a 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: seat covers, pump of gods, three heaters, twin radios and 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: spot lights. Well, never mind that. How's the motor? I 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: didn't take a motor. No dealer is gonna stick me 6 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: with express auto repairs? Like dating, Right, We're gonna get 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: to meet each other and talk to each other, and 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, do we get along? Is it just or 9 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: we're just gonna make it a business transaction? Which I 10 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: guess that's kind of dating too, But that's you know, 11 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: money for dating is sort of another conversation, another kind 12 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: of show. The Car Doctor the everyth Is it possible? 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: There's a baffle plate that's been knocked loose or missing, 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: and now the PCV is exposed to more oil volume 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: than supposed to be. Welcome to the radio home of 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Ron and an Ian the Car Doctor, since this is 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. The 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: garage doors are open, but I am here to take 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: your calls at eight five and now running. I thought 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: I would start today by telling you a tale from 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: the shop this week. Hello and welcome. I had to 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: do a timing belt on an OH three Mazda protege 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: E S, which is their small was their small little car, 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: four door sedan type thing back then. You know, it's 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: almost twenty years old now, and it was running a 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: two leader duel overhead cam engine, which was a similar engine, 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: similar set up to the Ford Probe. Right. They share 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: drive trains back then that they still do to this 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: day a lot of cases. And it just made me think. 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: It really got me to thinking because I hadn't seen 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: one of these. It's probably been close to eight years. 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: I just I was searching for it in shop history 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: because I was curious. I just I didn't remember the job, 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, it's been that long 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: since I've done one. And do all overhead cam motors 38 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: are always a little tricky because you're you're playing with 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: two cams instead of one, obviously, and the rest of 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: it just becomes the same drill as doing any timing belt. 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Part of the problem with doing a duel overhead cam 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: motor and imagine and I looked at it after the 43 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: job was done, and I said to Danny, I said, 44 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: you should have seen me in the hey day when 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: I was doing twin cam you know, for twin cams 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: per heads V six as. So you're doing you know, 47 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: forced brockets plus the crank, plus all the idler polis 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: and the water pump Polly and all that nonsense. I said, 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: it was crazy. I said, you're just looking at everything 50 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: so much more. But the problem with this job, as 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: simple as it was, was that I could never get 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: and it's it's really part of I blame the design engineers. 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: The timing marks for this, for the intake and the 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: exhaust brocket are two little hash marks that have to 55 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: line up, okay, at at approximately the you know, to 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: the inside of the sprockets. So the exhaust uh, the 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: exhaust mark is backwards at nine o'clock and the intake 58 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: mark is forward at three o'clock. And they have to 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: be they have to be straight up like that. And 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: it's so difficult. Where we're is straight up? Is level? 61 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: There is it? There is it? You know? Where is 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: that mark? So I brought it around. I lined up 63 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: by by their marks. I made marks you know, I 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: took out my little white out and I cleaned off 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: an area, and I always make a mark, you know, 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: this is where this was, this is where that was. 67 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: And just because I'm just trying to prepare for the 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: problem what if, I always play the what if game? 69 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: All right. I always think, you know, if it's the 70 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: middle of ward in life, and what if is the 71 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: middle expression in auto repair? Um, it just is if if? If? 72 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: What if this happens? So I took off this original 73 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: hundred and ten thousand mile timing belt on this twenty 74 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: year old maths then threw it in the garbage because 75 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: it was definitely done. It had it was starting to crack, 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: and it was actually missing part of a tooth. You 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: could see it was literally falling apart. And I went 78 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: to put the next belt on, the new belt on, 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: and and I couldn't get it to line up nothing. 80 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: You know, you just get frustrated after a while. What 81 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: did I miss? What happened? And to make matters worse, 82 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: where the particular cam was, the exhaust side was under 83 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of tension and it popped it It 84 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: popped forward maybe two teeth. So I sat and I 85 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: thought about it. And I always take that pause when 86 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm stuck up against it. And I realized that in 87 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: the Ford cam tool kit that we have in the shop, 88 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: and I haven't pulled this tool out and well eight 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: years I really forgot it was there is a little 90 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: wedge that actually sits between the two campsprockets, and it 91 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: gives you the ability to put the cams in the 92 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: position so that now you can just put the belt 93 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: on and work from there. Part of the problem, though, 94 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: was in the way that this belt came off. The 95 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: old belt was so stres stitched. It's almost like I 96 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: was a half a tooth out on both camps, and 97 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: you could see it when I put the belt on 98 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: the gap between the two cams. Had you know, I 99 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: counted the number of teeth. I was off by exactly 100 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: half a tooth. It was really strange, and this was 101 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: a measurement I had taken prior to the cam moving. 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: The exhaust cam moving. So I put the exhaust, came 103 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: back to the white mark the intake camp stay put 104 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: where it was. I slid the wedge in, put the 105 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: belt on, and I couldn't get the lineup. It was 106 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing, and I said, I'm missing something. I'm 107 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: forgetting a step. It seems to me like I've been 108 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: down this road before, and I had to really sit 109 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: and think about it. I took an extended five minutes 110 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: sitting in my stool there in the third bay, and 111 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: I realized what it was I was doing wrong and 112 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: had just been so long. I used to put a 113 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: half a tooth back on one cam and a half 114 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: a tooth forward on the other cam, and then when 115 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: I put the belt on, pulled the pin, put the 116 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: tension or everything kind of got pulled into position instead 117 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: of putting it on lined up. It just seems to 118 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: be the way it worked out on that job. Sure 119 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: enough took the wedge out, stopped using the factory tool. 120 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: I gotta stop reading and do it my way, and 121 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: sure enough put it off set half hair half there, 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: boom crank, brought the crank back just to touch so 123 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: that when I pulled it would pull it forward, lined 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: it up perfect, sprunting around two times, all the marks 125 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: lined up. My white marks lined up. Actually, I take 126 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: that back. My white mark on the exhaust camp was 127 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: off half a tooth. And I've come to the conclusion 128 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: that that belt had to be stretched enough that it 129 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: was letting that forward cam be really out of sync. 130 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Half a tooth. Why do I tell you this? I 131 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: always think about when I have the problem about I 132 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: haven't done something in a while, and now I have 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: to remember the job and go back and how did 134 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: this work? It kind of makes me sad in a way. 135 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's you start to think about the 136 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: amount of knowledge you've accumulated over the years, and you 137 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: say to yourself, you know, and it goes and it 138 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: just continues to evolve. And I really have to give 139 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: credit to the people that are still fixing cars out there, 140 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: because I think about all the things they've forgotten, all 141 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: the things they don't do anymore, and yet they still 142 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: keep coming back and do it, and they keep coming 143 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: back to this insane position every week, weekend, week out, 144 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: trying to fix cars, trying to learn about the latest 145 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: and greatest and trying to remember the oldest. And it 146 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: really is a testimony to the fortitude of the people 147 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: that fix cars. I just I'm sorry, it's just it's 148 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: it's just fresh on my mind this week today, and 149 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: in that you know, we all take it for granted. 150 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: You look at the variety and the length of and 151 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: how many cars, you know, apart in the sense of 152 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: variety of models. I had a shop called me this week. 153 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: They where we're king out a range, were over they 154 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: were looking for the special actor puller for the wheel 155 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: studs for range. Were over. Revoked that I have it. No, 156 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's really a very particular, very 157 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: special set of tooling for that repair. And you can't 158 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: get the wheel studs out without pulling the axle flange out. 159 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: And I thought about that as I was going through 160 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: my timing belt to backling, and in so much as 161 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, everything really is specialty. It's gonna be a shame. 162 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna throw this industry away at some point. We will, 163 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying when, but it's going to be such 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: a transition. I wonder how the blacksmith felt a dred 165 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: and twenty years ago when the horse was going away 166 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: and we didn't need as many anvils and horse shoes 167 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: and hammers and forges and bellows. And but it's probably 168 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: a little cheaper to throw away that industry than it 169 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: is to throw this one away. And you wonder about 170 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: the economic impact of this industry. When we get rid 171 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: of it and what that'll mean. And I hope they're 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: considering all of this. For me. I'm just gonna try 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: and remember more and try and increase the variety a 174 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: little bit, and you know, enjoy it well I can, 175 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: because um, it sure does stink when you can't remember 176 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: something and then all of a sudden it comes back 177 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: to you. Oh yeah, that's how I did it. And uh, 178 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: it kind of cracks me up every time because I 179 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: remember it right. So, um, just the amount of knowledge 180 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: we all have to keep in our heads to fix cars, it's, um, 181 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: it's really kind of crazy. So hold on. Welcome, Ron 182 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: and any and at your service. I'm looking forward to 183 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: talking to each and every one of you today, whether 184 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: it's by phone call at zero or by email or 185 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: up on the Facebook page. You've got the Facebook video 186 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: page up and open. You can make some comments there 187 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: and we'll try to respond to them. I got a 188 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: couple of interesting articles to read courtesy of Research Caffe. 189 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: She's hard at work pointing out some of the things 190 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: that are going on in the automotive news, and we'll 191 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: be discussing that. But I am here for your phone 192 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: calls at zero zero I got two hours to go, 193 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: so give us a shout and I'll be back right 194 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away m HM for the best 195 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: in car advice, Give Ron a call eight five five 196 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero. Now back to rag. Hey, let's 197 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: get over to Richard, New Jersey and the return with 198 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: this firebird. We're trying to work on the last couple 199 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: of weeks. Rich Where do we stand with this vehicle? 200 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back, okay, Hiroen, thanks to my call um. Last 201 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: week you asked me to check two things. One was 202 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: the MS d ignission and it was compatible with the 203 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: electric spark timing on the car. And the other thing 204 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: was the non sense or functionality test. So um, first 205 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: these the msd UH ignission distributor. It's UH and it 206 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: came from Summit. So I got went back on the 207 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: Summit website and I'll read it the description. So this 208 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: is street fire and it's used with electronic spark timing, 209 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: computer controlled advanced external coil for g M V eight 210 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: and the the street Fire Distributor electronic fuel injection is 211 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: ready to drop into your V eight engine can replace one, 212 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: so they can they can sell it to me that way, 213 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: all right? And nothing nothing, against ms D. I've had 214 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: my tussles with them in the past, so my question 215 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: is there, Well, my comment is, so they're telling us 216 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: that this is a drop in as OE designed distributor. Correct. Yes, 217 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: all right, So then you did your test. You tapped 218 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: by the knock sensor, watching with the time, and what happened? Um, 219 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: nothing happened. So here's here's what I did. I warmed 220 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: up the engine and the idol is still bouncing around, um, 221 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: between fourteen and eighteen or eighteen degrees before top bed center. 222 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: So at idle it's still bouncing around. So we opened 223 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: up the throttle TOPM and the time the electronic spark 224 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: timing advanced to degrees before top dead center. And we 225 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: were holding that with the screw driver in the thlattle 226 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: in the in the thlattle stop. So um, somebody was 227 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: holding a timing light on the marks and I went 228 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: under the car and was tapping with a small hammer 229 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: and a small piece of metal and I tapped right 230 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: on the block next to the knock sensor and it 231 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: didn't do anything. It doesn't retort. Okay, so what makes so? 232 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: So did you and you attested the knock sensor another way? 233 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: Did you not. Did you own the knock sensor out? 234 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember. We've been talking about this for a while. 235 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: Rich is Rich there? Did Rich go away? I think 236 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: Rich went away. Here's where we're at, Rich, Here's what's 237 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: on my mind. Um, Rich are you there? Yes, I'm here, Okay. Um. 238 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: You had tested this knock sensor a different way. Also, 239 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: didn't you own this out? And you have done some 240 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: other testing to it? Um? And you did, and and 241 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: the knock sensor passed those tests. That's correct, all right? 242 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: And this is the second MSD distributor. Correct, And they 243 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: both do the same thing. No, I had two new 244 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: car domes that we're in there, after the after the 245 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: after the first one failed, I put two new car 246 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: domes in and and I had this problem. Then the 247 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: third distributor that I put in was this MSD street Fire. 248 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: And you still have the same problem. Problem. Okay, but 249 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: it's not it's not the same problem that you had 250 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: with the original distributor. Yes, it is the original distributor. 251 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: Um crank, But no start, So I cleaned the magnets 252 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: on the on the coil pick up. Well, no, that's 253 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: a different wait, wait, that's a different problem though. Think 254 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: of the question. I just asked you, Okay, I just 255 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: I just said to you, is this a different problem? 256 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: You said the original distributor was a crank no start. 257 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: The problem we're working on is the is the misfiring 258 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: and running rough PM right, Yes, So I cleaned the 259 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: magnets and the core started rather, but I did not 260 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: test drive the car. So I said, well, I think 261 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: I'll just changed the distributor because that one's in there 262 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: and the car doesn't get used off and then it's rusty. 263 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: So I took the distributor that had to crank no 264 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: start out and put the new car done in and 265 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: then I test drive the car, and then I had 266 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: this horrible problem. Okay, cylinders, and I'm going to guess here, 267 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: the original cylinder, the original distributor is gone because you 268 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: gave that back to the parts house as a core. 269 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, that's exactly right. Rookie mistake, brother, um, 270 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: I know that was That was the first rookie mistake. Listen, 271 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: something where you're you're real close, Okay, whether this is 272 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: the knock sensor, the circuit, the way the PCM is 273 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: interpreting it, if you disconnect the E S T connector 274 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: and just run base timing. The car runs great. Correct, 275 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: that's correct, right, So so you know who's line to who. 276 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: What I would do is somewhere there was a test 277 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: and it's been a while since I've done it, but 278 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: that you could tap on the block and measure voltage 279 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: with a scope and look at a digital signal or 280 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: an analog signal. I think it was a digital signal, 281 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: but you would see a voltage change as the knock 282 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: sensor pulled the signal down as it heard something. I'm starting, 283 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm starting to question a the knock sensor, even though 284 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: you say you changed it, right, you've tried a knock 285 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: sensor in this No, I haven't changed it. Did check it, 286 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, because it's it's going to be knock sensor related. 287 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: The weird part is if the vehicle is right running, 288 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: stock will say it like that it should be testing 289 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: for spark timing, spark ping al right. It will actually 290 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: over advance the timing, listen for the ping here the ping, 291 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: and if it doesn't see a change, it will set 292 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: a code forty three telling you you've got an E 293 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:01,239 Speaker 1: S T sparks circuit full. I'm really, I'm really questioning 294 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: this ms D distributor, I really am. I'm questioning the 295 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: one I just yeah, listen, Uh, there isn't enough time 296 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: here to talk about ms D and the and the 297 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: tussles I've had with them. Uh. You know, Black Black 298 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: had a problem where she was breaking up at about 299 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: fifty rpm, fall and flat on her face, had a 300 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: misfire like I had two cross plug wires. Car had 301 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: on it, fresh motor right, fresh distributor. Went round and 302 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: round and round, looked at everything I could possibly think of. 303 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: I said, the only thing left is the distributor. I'm 304 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: not saying it's a distributor in your case. I'm just 305 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: saying MSD is not infallible, alright, nothing is in my mind? 306 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: All right. I swapped in a new MSD because that's 307 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: all I could really get for it quickly and easily. 308 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: Problem solved, all right. My My tussle with ms D 309 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: is when I called and spoke to them, they don't 310 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: have problems, according to them. Well, guess what you know, 311 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: I found one. It's somewhere from the top to the bottom. So, oh, 312 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: what I would like to see you try is I 313 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: really love to see a stock GM distributor in this vehicle, 314 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: all right, if it's possible to find one, which is 315 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: going to be difficult, all right, Uh, And then I 316 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: would like you to focus on that knock sensor circuit. 317 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Somewhere there's going to be a test and I'll see 318 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: what I come up with, and if I do, Tom 319 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: will reach out to you. But somewhere there's a test 320 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: for a voltage signal being able to be produced by 321 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: tapping that knock sensor, because that's how the computer is 322 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: gonna know that it's hearing. It's hearing spark knock. Right, 323 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: it's going to see a change in voltage on that 324 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: knock sensor wire. And you know, I'd like to figure 325 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: that out and measure that. But you're a real close kiddo. 326 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: You're you're you're somewhere between You're somewhere between the knock 327 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: sensor and the distributor. Keep going. If I can find more, 328 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: I'll send it to your rich Keep me posted. I'm 329 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: running any of the car Doctor. I'll be back right 330 00:17:51,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: after this eight by five zero. Don't go away, clok 331 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: it back when I naming the car Doctor here at 332 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: zero zero zero, let's go over to Roberta and Vermont 333 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: wants to talk about Liberty Roberta. Welcome to the car doctor. 334 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Thank you for helping me out. You're very welcome. 335 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Well, I'm looking for I'm an 336 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: older lady. I'm in my late seventies, so I'm looking 337 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: for something that will tide me through my bolden years. 338 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: I've probably got five six while years, so maybe more. 339 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: Oh come on, now, let's be let's be more optimistic 340 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: than that. Uh um. So what you're saying is you're 341 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: looking to buy your last car. Yes, okay, I get 342 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: this question. Look, I get this question a lot. Okay, 343 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: go ahead. And I'm looking for a four wheel drive, 344 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: either a Staggard shift or maybe not automatic. I do 345 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: not want all wheel drive, but I had one of those, 346 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: and we always did this fight over the decision about 347 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: how it was going to go. I found this two 348 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: thousand twelve Jeep Liberty will drive four doors four Scott. 349 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: You seem to me from the contacts list, the last 350 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: of goopment reading at fifty month paper they gave you 351 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: from the dealership hasn't listened as anyone, so I'm not 352 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: sure where there was actually my ultimate But I'm also 353 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: concerned it they didn't make this for very long? How 354 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: reliable and how much trouble might I get into this? 355 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: I purchase it a year or two down the road, 356 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: isn't Well, let's let's start the conversation here. It's in 357 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: my mind it's already ten model years old. It's ten 358 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: year old, ten year old vehicle. Is there a reason 359 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: you're looking at something so old? Is it price point? 360 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: Or you just happen to stumble across this? Well, what 361 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: I had said is I can put down about ten 362 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars down and I don't want to finance anything 363 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: more than two to three years, right, because if I 364 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: happens sell it and making even more than they already 365 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: made from may bind to begin with. Well, let's and 366 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: and try and hold the phone close to your close 367 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: to yourself the ROBERTA. Um. You know, let's keep in 368 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: mind that if you were to take out alone, and 369 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm guessing I'm under I'm understanding you. Right, you're a 370 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: concerned you have a concern about the payoff if something 371 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: happens to you, well, they would they would likely place 372 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: a small low you know, insurance policy on the loan, 373 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: so that automatically paid off. Um, you know, Heaven forbid 374 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: something happens. So I understand your concern, but let's let's 375 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: let's talk more about you're here and let's enjoy what 376 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: you what you're gonna drive, all right, a twelve Jeep Liberty, 377 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: and this is gonna be a V six, This is 378 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a three point seven V six. All right. 379 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: In general, they're an okay vehicle except all right, you know, 380 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: I always tell you guys, every car has its bugaboo, 381 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: and the Jeep Liberty is no stranger to that. They 382 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: do have issues with cylinder heads still, even on the twelves, 383 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: where they would have problems with valve seats and and 384 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: valve train issues, they hadn't really gotten them sorted out. 385 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: They have problems with head gas get issues. Uh um, 386 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: you know, so it's not it's not the strongest drive 387 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: train in the world. That being said, I also feel 388 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: compelled to say, you know, Jeep as a as as 389 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: as a vehicle, you can get parts for it. They're 390 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: not the easiest thing in the world. They Chrysler, like 391 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: a lot of the car companies, and it's not just 392 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Chrysler but a lot of the vehicle manufacturers. You know, 393 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: you're we're starting to see certain things disappear, making it 394 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: more tedious and time consuming and costly to repair. When 395 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 1: that when when it, when it comes around, you know, 396 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: you're kind of between the rock and the hard place. 397 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: Right You're you're you're, you're in your late seventies. You 398 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: want that final vehicle. You want a pleasurable experience. You 399 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: know what you want? Um, and it's and and to 400 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: go out and buy it new. And I'm not suggesting 401 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: you do that, but to go out and buy it new, 402 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: you will easily spend forty to fifty grand in today's 403 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: market if you could, if you could find it right 404 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: and know there's there's not a lot of cars out 405 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: there to pick from. And then and then we've got 406 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say this because I'm I'm not far 407 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: being well, you know, but the the difference in that 408 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: newer vehicle from the twelve to two in terms of 409 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: the technology that vehicles all touchscreen, computer based, It's like 410 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: it's like driving your laptop around the around the block, 411 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: and right, yeah, and are you ready for that? And 412 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: do you want that? You know? And so that being said, 413 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: all right, I'm a little concerned about this one particular 414 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: Jeep because the mileage discrepancy. I don't get that. You know, 415 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: how did we lose twenty thousand miles all of a sudden. 416 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: I can tell you what I think, and it's possibly 417 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: they they can play with odometers, you know, or they've 418 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: or they put a different computer in where the mileage 419 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: is recorded, and somehow they didn't have to, um, you know, 420 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: change that. And I'm not sure why that would have her, 421 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: but this one would have my this one would have 422 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: my backup a little bit. Now, you know, twelve was 423 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: the end of that body style. I believe. I don't 424 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: know they did make them in fourteen and fifteen if 425 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. I mean, my comment would be, is 426 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: this a Jeep dealer you're buying it from? Or a 427 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: used car dealer? Dealer? All right? So I will tell 428 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: you my I will tell you my deficiency against buying 429 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: a vehicle from a non brand dealer. If I'm if 430 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm buying a Jeep, I want to buy a used 431 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Jeep from a Jeep dealer. From buying a Honda, I 432 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: want to buy a Honda from a Honda dealer. I'm 433 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: funny like that, and you know, part of my rationale 434 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: is as difficult as it is for the independent shop 435 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: to keep up with the varied brands. It's it's usually 436 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: next to impossible for a dealership. They they wear the 437 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: they wear the horse blinders of Honda, Jeep, GM, Ford 438 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: and so on. Um. There are some competent dealers out 439 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: there that have come up with solutions they actually have. 440 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: I've seen dealers higher former independent repair shop technicians that Okay, 441 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna be our used car guy. You're gonna work 442 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: on everything. I've seen some dealers for whatever reason, they'll 443 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: take their A tech off the line and tell them here, 444 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: fix this used car that's not your brand, and and 445 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: this is what you're gonna do for the next day 446 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: or two. The problem the dealers run into is they 447 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: don't have the tooling, the scan tool technology, because they're 448 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: not you know, everything's multi vehicle specific today. So that 449 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: being said, that's that's part of my concern. Now, let's 450 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: talk about the possibilities of good If you buy this 451 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: vehicle at the right price, and I never get into price, 452 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: especially now, market dictates demand, Market dictates price. If this vehicle, 453 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: after you have it checked out by you have a 454 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: good local independent mechanic you trust, I always drove it 455 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: around it in all right, all right, so we're gonna 456 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: let him. We're gonna let him look at it. And 457 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: then if well, and if they won't let you let it, 458 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: take it to your mechanic, you walk away, all right, 459 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: But but you want to let him look at it, 460 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: and then you want to consider buying a used car 461 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: warranty policy, something that will cover drive train for five years, 462 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: so that if the engine does have an issue, you're 463 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: covered and you can take it to your local mechanics 464 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: so he can fix it, because he's the guy that's 465 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: geared towards it. To buy a used warranty from the 466 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Honda dealer that the Honda dealer is going to fix it. 467 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be sitting there for weeks on 468 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: end waiting for your vehicle to come back. I'm sure. Well, 469 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: we do have a dealer in wider area, and so 470 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: I know sometimes they don't like it if you buy 471 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: a vehicle from a competitor and then you want them 472 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: to take care of it and fix that. Well, and 473 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: that's you know, listen, that's it. Listen. It'll rankle a right. 474 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: We're all human beings, uh, you know, especially when we 475 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: see something that you know, in situations where somebody buys 476 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: a vehicle that's i won't say the wrong vehicle, but 477 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: maybe not a great vehicle, and now it becomes the 478 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: other dealer's problem and the other guy made all the money. Listen, 479 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: we're all human, right, we all have emotions like that. 480 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: I would also sit down and write a number down 481 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: on paper. If you're going to spend fifteen, what does 482 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: eight team get you from the jeep dealer? All right, 483 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: so I'll tell you what, Roberta. Let me let me 484 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: take this pause and we'll finish up with you afterwards. 485 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: I got a couple of more points I want to make. 486 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: Don't run away, kiddo, I'm run an any in the 487 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: car doctor. I'll be back right after this welcome back 488 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: where I'm naming the car doctor on the phone with 489 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: Roberta and Vermont. Roberta, you're still there. You know what 490 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: I think you've got to do is I think we've 491 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: got to change the approach on how you buy this vehicle. 492 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: I think this is the wrong My my gut is 493 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: this is the wrong vehicle. Alright, unless somebody comes up 494 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: with a reason where the mileage disappeared to why it's 495 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: different from vehicle versus carfax. That's a problem, all right. 496 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: The second he didn't know, well, not that he didn't know. 497 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: He didn't want to say, Um, you know, it's it's 498 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: it's easy to go. I don't know. You know, Um, 499 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you rob the bank, you're gonna really 500 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: tell somebody, Hey, robbed the bank. Um. You know. The 501 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: second thing is it's ten years in Vermont. I'm assuming 502 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: what kind of shape is the undercarriage rust and corrosion, 503 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: because you guys get this thing up there called snow, 504 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: I think, and uh yeah, and you know what do 505 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: they used to melt the roads and the corrosive material? 506 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: And what kind of shape is that? And and that's 507 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: gonna be the answer from your local guy that you trust, 508 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: that you have that relationship with. So that's number two. 509 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Number three. You know, if you're spending I'm gonna throw 510 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: a number out there, if you're looking to spend and 511 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty. What does twenty get you? Newer, less mileage, 512 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: less potential problems. Maybe it's maybe it's not a jeep. 513 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: Maybe it is all right, Uh, you know, the the 514 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: choices of non four wheel drive where everything is all 515 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: wheel drive varies. You know, it gets less as you 516 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: get newer. Because we were trying to make the public 517 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: into non thinkers. We'll just let the card do what 518 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: it's supposed to do. And unfortunately that's the way of 519 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: the world. Right, Um, you know we're not going to 520 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, it's it's right now. If you want 521 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: just a real last quick comment, you know what small 522 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: vehicles do. I like that the roll wheel drive, and 523 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's not the way to go. Maybe 524 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: you want something simple. You know, the fourteen through eighteen 525 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: four Escapes are a nice vehicle. The fourteen through eighteen 526 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: Honda c RVs are a nice vehicle. The rap fours 527 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: from Toyota or a nice vehicle. You know, you could 528 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: go drive some of those. If this is gonna be 529 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: your last are take your time and drive them all. 530 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: Make sure they make sure they fit you, Make sure 531 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: you drive them at night, make sure you drive them 532 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: during the day, because a vehicle changes personality from night 533 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: to day. It really does, all right. And then last, 534 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: anything you buy, make sure your mechanic looks at first. 535 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Real quick, you have a comment, Go ahead, what was 536 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: the last question? Um? I said, real quick, do you 537 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: have a comment before I let you go, because the 538 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: clock is going to take me. Oh um, I did 539 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: really launched it. Else absolutely, if you have any questions, 540 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: remember this. I remember. I remember what my late father 541 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: in law told me when I was first starting out 542 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: in business and I was trying to learn how to 543 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: do business and talk to people, and he said, anytime 544 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: you're doing business with somebody, if you find yourself going 545 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: hat in hand on one knee, asking for this or 546 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: asking for that, you're you're either approaching it wrong or 547 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: they're intimidating you and you don't even realize it. And 548 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: I never forgot that forty five years later. You know what, 549 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: You're the customer. You're the customer. You're the one with 550 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: the checkbook. You get your answers before you sign on 551 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: the dotted line. Oh see, I grew up in a 552 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: junkyard and I'm pretty car savvy, so that's a big help. 553 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: My boy. I'm planning it. Yeah, what you're the fourteen. 554 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: That's what I am looking for. What I said, I 555 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: want a small as movie, doesn't matter. What. Make a 556 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: model that works decent and under a certain road test. 557 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: Go go go road test four to escape with the 558 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: two leader engine. All right, the two leader engine. Call 559 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: me back next week or the week after. Let me 560 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: know what you think and we can talk about it further. 561 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: Good luck to you, Robertie. You got guts. I admire 562 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: you for what you're trying to do. You keep going, girl, 563 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm on an any in the car. Doctor. I'll be 564 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: back right after this. Boy. Good calls today. Really, I 565 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: really enjoyed talking to everybody. Let's get over to Barbora. 566 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: That wouldn't work in New York. Barbara, ay, and at 567 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: your service, how can I help? Yes? I purchased the 568 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven used legacy from the dealer. All right, 569 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: um moverted in at one time, complaining of noises, and 570 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: I actually diagnosed myself as each shield they removed it 571 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: and didn't replace it or fix it. They cause any harm, Well, 572 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: it will as long as you don't park on top 573 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: of a pile of dry leaves. Oh yeah, that you 574 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: know the reason they call it. Here, you're ready for this. 575 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: The reason they call it a heat shield is because 576 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: it's supposed to protect the vehicle when you park on leaves, 577 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: the breed, dry wood, and so forth, so that the 578 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: vehicle doesn't have a fire issue. They never one thing 579 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: I can tell you absolutely about every vehicle manufacturer on 580 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: the planet. They never put something on the car that 581 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: is not necessary. It's there for a reason. And the 582 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: heat shield on a Subaru scenario, it was probably the 583 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: front shield on the front exhaust pipe. Do you remember 584 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: did they say right? Because the problem is that if 585 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: they didn't, then I'm suspecting because you purchased it from them, 586 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: was there was it still under their used car warranty 587 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: by chance? O? Um? You know? Then the choice for 588 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: you would be do you do you live with the rattle? 589 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: Do they make an attempt which for some reason the 590 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: dealers I don't see the Subaru dealers usually trying to 591 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: silence those shields or make them quieter. They can't make 592 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: them perfect um or you have to put a cat 593 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: on it, and the cat pipe is probably every bit 594 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: of eight two grand. Sorry, yeah, big big bite, you know, 595 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's it's a necessary evil. It really is. 596 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: It's just be cautious where you park until you, you know, 597 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: to resolve it. The fact that they took it off, 598 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: you can you know? And I guess my question would 599 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: be can you purchase it separately, and if not, then 600 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: the next step is to be safe. It's put a 601 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: cat on. How many miles around the car? There was 602 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: only probably about fifty three. I don't even think, yeah, yeah, 603 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of insane. I would you know that the 604 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: fact that it rusted away that quickly. I would try 605 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: and see if you can purchase a heat shield separately. 606 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: Do you have a local mechanic or do you keep 607 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: or do you Are you a super dealer customer? Well? 608 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: Ap currently I am, because they gave me a two 609 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: year change oil current situation right, trust me, they didn't 610 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah they didn't. They didn't give it to your bar, 611 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: but they probably put it into the price of the vehicle. 612 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: But what I would tell you is, you know, as 613 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: can you purchase that heat shields separately when they try 614 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: putting it on? But I would try to get a 615 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: replacement because that's what I'll keep you safe. It is 616 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: for avoiding fires on leaves and debris. Good luck to you. 617 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm running anating of the card actor reminding you all 618 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you