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Speaker 1: This is and Gavin and I heard radio podcasts. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, everybody, My name is Brooks, like and

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Speaker 1: this is how men think. A podcast where we discuss

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Speaker 1: a wide range of topics with educated and enlightened gentlemen like.

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Speaker 1: So we have Dmitri, we have Rick, we have Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Good sirs, how you doing today? Doing well? Fantastic? Thank

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Speaker 1: you for asking means a lot. You're also, I know

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Speaker 1: that Ryan's feeling really good because he has a story

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Speaker 1: that he wants to tell. So we've a lot of

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Speaker 1: our discussions, even off Mike, are about like doctor questions

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Speaker 1: and health and uh, physicality, just health matters in general.

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Speaker 1: And then Ryan has an epic story that he wants

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Speaker 1: to tell, and so he's sitting here happy as a claim.

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Speaker 1: He's really gloating because he knows. And Amy even said

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Speaker 1: it's an epic story. Don't see it that. I'm no one.

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Speaker 1: I never said it was an epic story. When you

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Speaker 1: build it up like that, it puts a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure on me, and now you have to deliver us.

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Speaker 1: That's the standard of this show. Figure out how to

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Speaker 1: make an epic, Yes, figure out how to make this

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Speaker 1: story epic, because that's the standard that we're setting on

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Speaker 1: this show. But then also I want to say, we

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Speaker 1: have doctor Todd on this show, coming in after this

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Speaker 1: to answer a bunch of our medical questions. How it's

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Speaker 1: called from a doctor because we don't go to doctor,

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Speaker 1: We don't go to doctors. We get doctors to come

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Speaker 1: in studio. Well, that's exactly right, and that that's a

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Speaker 1: good segue into what I am experiencing today, which is

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Speaker 1: the reason that I don't go to a doctor. Now,

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Speaker 1: the two of you or the three of you with Rick,

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Speaker 1: you guys don't go to a doctor because you're lazy,

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Speaker 1: You're ignorance, is bliss, or it's just an inconvenience, or

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Speaker 1: you just don't know why I don't go to a doctor.

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Speaker 1: You tell me why because I'm lazy? Go ahead, sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so so for me, it's it's not as much

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Speaker 1: about that, but rather I don't go to a doctor

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Speaker 1: because the last time I did, I was told by

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Speaker 1: the physician and by the head of the health system

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Speaker 1: that I am no longer welcome back to this physician's office. Whatever. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I believe it. I I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious to hear what you did here and

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Speaker 1: how you think it's appropriate. Yeah, I'm not surprised. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious though, So I'll tell you I had a really

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Speaker 1: into how old are you at this point? Sorry? This

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Speaker 1: is this reason? Now, this was I was like three

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Speaker 1: explain the elements. She did a strap culture came back negative.

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Speaker 1: me a prescription to help with the sore throat. So

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Speaker 1: I go home. There was it was a five day prescription.

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Speaker 1: I've been on uh this medication, it's not really working.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to just figure out a course of action

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Speaker 1: moving forward. They say, okay, great, we'll have her call

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Speaker 1: you what they did. I sent that email. The entire

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Speaker 1: what happens next seven days later. Are you still having

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Speaker 1: Still unprofessional. But seven days later I get an email

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Speaker 1: I apologize, I just realized I didn't respond. It's always

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Speaker 1: good to call the office, though. If you're not feeling better,

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Speaker 1: I assume and hope you're doing better now. If not,

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Speaker 1: the office, not email me. I called twice. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: so right, so it's not his or her. That is

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Speaker 1: not my problem. I did call, like I've done everything

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Speaker 1: She is passively aggressively telling me I should have called.

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Speaker 1: three different outreaches. That is absurd. So we think it's

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Speaker 1: I was so angry and annoyed in this moment that immediately, immediately,

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Speaker 1: week due to complications from strep throat. Memorial services are

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Speaker 1: that is have you ever in your life been called petty?

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Speaker 1: me tell you what happened after your doctor received that email.

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Speaker 1: grieving Ryan's death, but we should get onto his Gmail

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Speaker 1: anyone that emails donates to the Strep Throat Awareness Fund, which,

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Speaker 1: Strep Throat Awareness Fund, I said, And my family is

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Speaker 1: my love language, Mary is gifts, okay, and so is

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Speaker 1: my death language. What what is it called? Um? He's

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Speaker 1: the paper. You probably have you written your own obituary

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Speaker 1: in case you do pass that you're just like you

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Speaker 1: was there, the doctor walks in and I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I look at him, you know, in the face. He

428
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: walks in, and all of a sudden, I'm thinking to myself, oh,

429
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: look at he's getting a little bit of weight. And

430
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, hands were bigger too, His fingers were bigger.

431
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: I was like, and I got all nervous and so

432
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: at that point, so I've never cared about the size

433
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Speaker 1: of a doctor until I had to start getting that exam.

434
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: So I was wondering if we could do like it.

435
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: There should be like a tinder for doctors where they

436
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: just show their hands and you can swipe left or

437
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: right and then you can figure out which one's gonnarea

438
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: to do that without getting the finger. Well, yeah, so

439
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: there are blood tests that you can screen pretty well

440
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: for prostate cancer. But again they cause quite a bit

441
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: more anxiety, we think, than prevention of disease. So we're

442
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: we try to be careful when we order those tests,

443
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: who were ordering them in how often there's a lot

444
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: of nuance to it. But again, this isn't a perfect

445
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: reason why everybody is afraid to go to the doctor

446
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: in their forties because they think some guy with big

447
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: hands like me is gonna put it up their butt

448
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be super uncomfortable and they're gonna forget

449
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: everything else had happened in there, and then everything else

450
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: they wanted to ask because they were so worried about

451
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: this exam lacked out for three days. That's right, Well,

452
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: then that that is my biggest fear, and that's why

453
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to go get that test. And a

454
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: half year, half year behind, I would say that it

455
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: would be totally reasonable to go into a doctor's office

456
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: and say, I do not have a family history of

457
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: procesct cancer, I have no urinary symptoms. I would prefer

458
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: not to have this exam. Let's talk about it. So

459
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: here's my question. Then, So I'm thirty six years old,

460
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm a very active I believe healthy mail, but I'm

461
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm also not arrogant enough to think that there might

462
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: not be something going on in me that I don't know.

463
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: So if I come in to visit you or come

464
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: into a doctor's office, I don't feel like just talking

465
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: about I feel phenomenal. I feel fantastic, better than I

466
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: ever have in my life. But I think that is

467
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: setting me up for a massive failure. Like what kind

468
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: of tests? UM? What as a thirty six year old male,

469
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: what what might I be susceptible for? What is on

470
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Speaker 1: radar that we want to test for? What does a

471
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: doctor's office appointment look like for me? Because I don't

472
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: want to say I feel great and then you go, okay,

473
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: we'll see anything. Are you trying to get like the

474
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: full body check up? I don't even know, Like I

475
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I've never had Like I always have this

476
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: imagination of having it like a scan that you just

477
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: go in and it does everything. I think that I

478
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: don't think that's a real What movie were you watching

479
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 1: last day? UM? We had to do full medicals at

480
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: the start of every hockey season, so at training camp,

481
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: the first day of training camp was full medical evaluation

482
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: UM and you weren't allowed to participate the next day

483
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: in the actual on ice activities unless you passed your

484
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: medical So that was my yearly check up, and then

485
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: we had access to amazing physicians doctors all year long,

486
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: where if something was wrong, they would have caught it

487
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: on me. Now I don't have that team around me,

488
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: those people around me, and I haven't been to the

489
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: doctor for a year and a half. So my fear

490
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Speaker 1: as though I might feel physically exceptional and healthy, there

491
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: might be something persisting that I'm not aware of. Exceptional.

492
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, you couldn't say that exceptional. You know what

493
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: Dr Todd? He works out a couple of times a

494
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: week for thirty minutes because I'm not arrogant. Thirty seconds later,

495
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: I feel physically exceptional, he was, So what am I

496
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: looking for when I come in there? So I think

497
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Speaker 1: you would. You are a fit person, you are a

498
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: healthy person. You've had a lot of access to great

499
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: healthcare over the years, good food. Um, you probably didn't

500
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of horrible childhood illnesses because of vaccinations,

501
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: probably where you grow up. I'm just assuming lots of things,

502
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: but just based on how you look right now, I

503
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: would say it's not urgent to go running into a

504
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: doctor and say, you know, help me, help me, help me. However,

505
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: it would be reasonable to go through things like family history,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, talk about whether you have a history of

507
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: corner disease. Are there bad habits that you're involved with

508
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: that you want to learn how to think differently about? Um,

509
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: it might be worth at your age thirty five, looking

510
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: at cholesterol, blood sugar for most people, not yourself, but

511
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: looking at body habituts. Are they overweight, are they underweight?

512
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: What are the issues around that? So you know, not

513
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: necessarily speaking to you, but speaking to the whole world.

514
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: And again this is a little bit different than the

515
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: way that I practice in a very small practice. Is

516
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: that it's an opportunity to have conversations about things that

517
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: you may not even be thinking about. The unknowns, the

518
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: unknown unknowns, you know, the things that aren't even in

519
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: your sensorium yet. Um. And is it an urgent No?

520
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: Is it something that could be done once a year

521
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: for sure? And that's typically what would happen for someone

522
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: your age. And and you know, it might just be

523
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: nagging stuff like um, you know, maybe you had a

524
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: lot of concussions during hockey and you're concerned about what

525
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: that means for you, and how do you think about that?

526
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: What does it mean for your family? Does it mean

527
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: for your few? Sure those would be reasonable conversation. Okay, okay,

528
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: So we have a question here. I'll be the sacrificial

529
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: lamb that reads it. It says Brooks. Question read it. Um.

530
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: This is a question that I've had actually conversations with

531
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: people before on But how many times a day is

532
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: it healthy to be going to the bathroom? And by

533
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: the bathroom, I don't mean a pee, I mean some people.

534
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: I have friends I played with guys that took a crap.

535
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: Let's just say it took a crap once a day

536
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe it. Um, and myself, I'm a

537
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: lot more than that. Upwards of five to six times

538
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: a day a day. He's gone three times since we

539
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: started the podcast. So so I've had burying. I've had

540
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that that's abnormal. Is that abnormal?

541
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: I eat a lot of vegetables though, a lot of

542
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: full sessions a day. Like you're not talking like, oh no, no,

543
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: how to's go a little bit full? Wow, jeezy, I'm

544
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: lucky to get one. Why are you really okay, I

545
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: can go like not. I can skip a day and

546
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: then definitely go the next day. But I'm basically once

547
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: a day my juicer spits out lest than you. How's

548
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: that possible? Maybe that's a reason too, because I I

549
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: juice like, I make my own um organic cold press

550
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: uses at home and so that you drink that and

551
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: that's going through you. But what would I eat? A

552
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: lot of vegetables? Zucchini sticks don't count? Why are Rick

553
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: and I so different in that? So I would say

554
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: that there's there's everybody's a little bit different, and everybody's

555
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: GI tracks are are different. But the primary issue, I

556
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: would say would be nutritional, meaning the type of food

557
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: that you're eating. And then the second is everybody has

558
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: what's called the gastro colic reflex, meaning when food gets

559
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: into your stomach that your your stomach is gastro and

560
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: colic is colon and there's a reflex that reflex not

561
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: reflex reflex that when food hits your stomach, it relaxes

562
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: your cold and you move your bowels and you go

563
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: to the bathroom really to clear out room for that

564
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: food that's coming down. It sounds like you have a

565
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: more pronounced gastrocolic reflex than someone like yourself. But you know,

566
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Speaker 1: I would say once a day is normal. Five times

567
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: a day would probably be on the high end of normal.

568
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: If you said to me, look, I'm having cramps, an

569
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: abdominal pain, and bloody diarrhea and I it's a nightmare

570
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: for me, that's a whole other issue. But if you're like, look,

571
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: I feel great. I have five four bound movements a day.

572
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm not losing weight, there's no blood in my stool.

573
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: Everything seems this is just the way I've always been.

574
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: That's normal for you. If you say, look, I feel fine,

575
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: and I have one bowel movement a day and that

576
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: takes care of business. Sometimes I skip it in the

577
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: next day a little bit more, that's also fine. Um.

578
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: But there are certain medical conditions that we would think

579
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: of it with really abnormal patterns of bound movements, but

580
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: those are typically painful diarrhea, of blood, etcetera, often associated

581
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: with weight loss, weight maybe weight gain. So I have

582
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: none of that. You just have six really healthy bowel

583
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: movements a day. You poop six times a day, you

584
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: work out six times a day. Rick Coop's not once

585
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: in a day it doesn't work out. You know, he

586
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: considers the bathroom working out. Yeah, exactly, So we can

587
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: we have another question. I want to welcome to the

588
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: show for his first ever appearance on the show, we

589
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: have Brett with us today. Welcome. So Brett is my friend.

590
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: His baby brother is Wells Adams from the Bachelor, and

591
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: he's the bartender on The Bachelor and Brett and I.

592
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: This sounds intimate, but we have vacation together and that

593
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: is how I learned about Brett's very fascinating issue. So

594
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: I asked him if he would open up about it

595
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: because I think he's not alone, and I also think

596
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: we can, dare I say, cure him? Okay, Brett, welcome

597
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: to the show. Brother. Well, thank you, just really quickly.

598
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: I just want to get off. In regards to going

599
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: to the doctor once a year, what type of doctor

600
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: is that? If I'm saying, okay, I haven't been in

601
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: five years, who am I looking to go see? I

602
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: would say that would be a primary what would be

603
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: referred to as a primary care doctor usually in turtle

604
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: medicine or family practice. Okay, um, thank you. I needed

605
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: to know today that was that was that was the problem? Yes, Well,

606
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: I Ran always says that this is a trust tree, this,

607
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: this is a safe place. Let me just check before Brooks.

608
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Do you have to go and drop a doucey? You're

609
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: good for a little far. I'll go around four o'clock.

610
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: We're way pass. That's because what my issue is, um,

611
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of it is in my head. But

612
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: I have to always be somewhere where I know there's

613
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: a bathroom around. I constantly, if I'm on a plane,

614
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: if I'm in a car, if I'm in a house,

615
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: of wherever I am, I have to know that I

616
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: can get to a bathroom. And it's a head game

617
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: because I can go to the bathroom and and I'm

618
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: talking going number one. Um, I can go to the

619
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: bathroom like I did five minutes ago, and I'm already

620
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: thinking how long am I going to be here? And

621
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Speaker 1: if I have to go, what's my exit strategy. I

622
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: also do that with going number two as well, but

623
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: not as much. It is is mostly the I've got

624
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: to go pee and and and how can I get there?

625
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: And make sure there is a pathway for me to

626
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: get there? Okay, so is your question what's wrong with me?

627
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Is this normal? Or I have a question. Did you

628
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: pee your pants as a kid one time and we're

629
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: ostracized by it or something and it could scarred you.

630
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I peed my pants. I'm sure growing up,

631
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: I probably peed in my bed, you know, you know,

632
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: going through that potty training or something. But I don't

633
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: think I've ever had there's no like magnificent moment that

634
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: you're like, no, I don't. I've been drunk a couple

635
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: of times, and you know, yeah, I mean, I mean,

636
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: just to make you feel comfortable. I mean, I that

637
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: goes through my mind as well too. And I don't

638
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: know how old you are, but I'm forty five and

639
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: a half, but I think not maybe as much as

640
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: you do about that. But like I'm flying back tonight,

641
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: so like I'm thinking, Okay, well I have to go

642
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: before I get back in the car. And then when

643
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: I get to the airport, i gotta go. Okay, I'm

644
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna go check in, I'm gonna get my ticket, and

645
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go to the bathroom, and then I'm

646
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna go through security and I'll probably have to go

647
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: to the bathroom after that. I do the same thing.

648
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm like the same thing that it

649
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: don't worry you lose control of it. I know, I

650
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: treat myself like a five year old though. I'm like, Okay,

651
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: I should go before I leave the house, and then

652
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: when I get somewhere, like I should probably go now

653
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: just in case I can't go later. Same here, and

654
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: like to me, not to take away from that, but

655
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: like I feel, I want to be on the plane

656
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: and I want to be comfortable, and I'm thinking to myself, well,

657
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm want to fall asleep on the way home on

658
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: the airplane, so but I want to I don't want

659
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: to have to go to the bathroom because they don't

660
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: have to get up, go to the back of the plane,

661
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: go to the war or if you're on the plane

662
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: and it gets delayed and you haven't gone, then you're

663
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: stuck because you're on the tarmac and you can't get up,

664
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: And then I start to freak out. Yeah, this is

665
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: this is you know what's really interesting about this? This

666
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: is the most anyone has ever sounded like Ryan. It

667
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: doesn't rick sound like trying right now? Way do you

668
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: hear this? Sometimes when I pee, I turn around and

669
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: I wash my hands and something about the water hit

670
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: in my hands. I got a pee again, so don't

671
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: I turn around a p and I wash my hands again.

672
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: So I'm doing like double sets. It's like you used

673
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: to work out twice. Dr Todds just laughing over yeah,

674
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: like Dr todd Yeah, this is uh, this is the

675
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: greatest hits of of male urinary complaints. Let me ask you,

676
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: do you guys because I think that it's crazy. I'm

677
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: kind of with Peroks on this. Do you get up

678
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: multiple times in the middle of the night to go pee? Yes?

679
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: You do. I'll get up at at least once, sometimes twice.

680
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever? Once you guys ever like looked

681
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: into diapers just in case? Okay, hold on a sem

682
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: wondering Mr six deuces a day. Let's let's have roa

683
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: stones and back from some what can what can we

684
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: really do about Regret's question? Like? Right, so this so

685
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: this is a what would be a primary care question

686
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: at least to get started. I don't think you necessarily

687
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: need a subspecialist yet, which would be a urologist, someone

688
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: who works in the general urinary track kidneys, bladder, penis, etcetera.

689
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: But this, you know, most of the time when people

690
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: come to me with this complaint. There's two components to it.

691
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: Some people have a little bit more irritability in their bladder,

692
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: and their bladder fills up and they they're sensitive to

693
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: it and they feel this urge to pee, and everybody's

694
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: bladder tone is a little bit different. There are other

695
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: people who have a lot of bladder irritants in their

696
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: diet and not casting any stones here, but those are

697
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: things like tobacco, alcohol, caffeine is the biggest defender, spicy food,

698
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: or even just high volume hydration. I mean a lot

699
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: of people like Brooks who are working out a lot

700
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: are probably pounding water. And there are other people who are, like,

701
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, drinking bulletproof coffee and then pounding water, and

702
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: then they're having wine and they're having spicy you know,

703
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: soup or whatever it is for lunch. So there's just

704
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: a lot of liquid volume, add a lot of bladder irritants.

705
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: So that would be the first place that I would look.

706
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: The second place, and again this is not something that

707
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: we see until later on, would be prosthetic hypertrophy. That's

708
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: when you see the commercials about the guys who are

709
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: the football game and everybody's running into the bathroom and

710
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: they're looking up at the scoreboard trying to figure out

711
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: how much time is left. And there are the prostates

712
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: basically smooth muffle, muscle gland that surrounds the neck of

713
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: the bladder and men and as that enlarge as it

714
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: can be caused that type of irritability in your urgency

715
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: and frequency that that you're it sounds a little bit

716
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: like you're having. But I I typically start with what's

717
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: going into your body, in particular the type of liquids

718
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: and hydration. He's saying, it's not a going problem, it's

719
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: a growing problem. Um, it's only commercial problem. It's a

720
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: growing problem. Correct. I think his might not be a

721
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: growing problem, might be a going problem, but it also

722
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: could be a total head game. Well, you know there

723
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: are I might be speaking a little out of school.

724
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: So some of my eurologic colleagues would take, uh, take

725
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: exception with this, Yes, exactly exactly. They love that when

726
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: you said that, don't be piste off at me. Um.

727
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: But I think that there is a um a psychologic

728
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: component to it as well, because it's a behavior. So

729
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: we feel this irritability and it's like it's sort of

730
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: like holding your breath when you talk to people who

731
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: get really into prolonged breath holding is an exercise. They

732
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: get to a point where thirty seconds feels really long,

733
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: and then they go past that and they're like, wait,

734
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm still here, nothing has happened, and then they can

735
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of condition themselves to go longer. I have a

736
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: question for you, Bread, is this is this show up?

737
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: Does this show up anywhere else in your life? Like

738
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: you're terrified of being laid or your tear, Like, is

739
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: there anywhere else where some sort of fear like this

740
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: shows up that maybe it's not actually a health problem,

741
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: it's just, like you said, possibly a mental problem. I

742
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: would say no to that. I mean, I'm pretty o

743
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: c D. I am always early, I'm I'm very I'm

744
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: punctual person. But it's I don't think that has anything

745
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: to do with any correlation. No, it's just I think

746
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: it's a head game. I mean, yes, I'm I'm older.

747
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna be forty eight, so I am on

748
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: the older spectrum. Um, and something that probably is going

749
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: to the process is gonna start to change or has

750
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: already changed, and I'm already in that um. Maybe need medication.

751
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: But I also think a lot of it is head

752
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: game because I'm sitting here right now and as I'm talking,

753
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about going to the bathroom because I'm

754
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: in conversation. But the moment I'm not doing this, then

755
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: my mind immediately goes, okay, is there a bathroom by?

756
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: And how am I going to get out of this

757
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: situation if I need to go to bathroom? Will you

758
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: mark the bathrooms as soon as you enter a new room,

759
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: like will you be like okay, I'm not gonna here, yeah,

760
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: not marked like a dog? Well you if you entered

761
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: like a new like this house, right, so you enter

762
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: this house, so you are you gonna cut a like

763
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: a hot lap and be like okay, one to bathroom.

764
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: I've found out immediately when I got in here where

765
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: the bathroom was, and that Will you go to a

766
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: restaurant that will be the same situation or well, I

767
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: know that if I'm in a restaurant, I know that

768
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: there's a bathroom in there, so I know that I

769
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: can get to it. So that's not it's not necessarily

770
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: the pathway because from getting from point eight point B

771
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: is not the issue. It's just in my mind thinking

772
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: I've got to have if like we were talking about

773
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: earlier the airplane. If if we're on a tarmac and

774
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to get up, then I started panic

775
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: because how long am I going to be stuck on

776
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: this tarmac if I have to go to the bathroom.

777
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: Tell the story how when we went on a walk,

778
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: So Brett and I went on a walk. We went

779
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: from like maybe it's a mile walk from the country

780
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: club to the hotel. Yes, And I stopped the at

781
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: the porta body of a work site that I didn't

782
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: belong in. That's all right, I know, But I but

783
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: that my mind was, Okay, I've got a twenty minute walk.

784
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make it twenty minutes. And I saw

785
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: the the outhouse or whatever you call it, and I

786
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: stopped there to go the restroom so that my mind

787
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: would be at ease that I'd make it all the way.

788
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Is it possible Dr Todd that he just maybe has

789
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: a smaller bladder, like do men? Some men have a

790
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: bigger bladder and some have a smaller bladder. Well, there

791
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: was a there was a Monty Python skit about that

792
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: from Live at the Hollywood Bowl where they do the

793
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: h It was a hundred meter dash for men with

794
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: small bladders, and they start the race and they're all

795
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: drinking water, and like every five ft someone peels off

796
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: and in first, and he's back, and they kept changing.

797
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: The lead kept changing because people have to run off

798
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: to the bathroom in a hundred meter dash. So you

799
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: know there are people who have different size bladders. Um,

800
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: and we can measure that with an ultrasound UM. I

801
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: don't suspect the that's the issue here. You are what

802
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: we would refer to in medicine as well preserved. So

803
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: forty eight. You look younger than your stated age, as

804
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: we would say in the business. So I think that

805
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, probably at forty eight with these type of issues,

806
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: I I it's not necessarily a call for medication, but

807
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: there could be behavioral modification in particular around what you

808
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: drink and how when you drink it and changing sort

809
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: of the input. Like you know, people can do pelvic

810
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: floor physical therapy, etcetera. To kind of retrain themselves out

811
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: of this. But I think that you're you do have

812
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: some bladder irritability, probably some prosthetic hypertrophee, and it probably

813
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: related it to the volume in the in the caffeine

814
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: alcohol spicily whatever it is that you do. I don't

815
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: know whether they do that or not, but I suspect

816
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: that that type of stuff would probably be irritating you.

817
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Is it true that you live in a one bedroom,

818
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: fourteen and a half path custom build that custom building?

819
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: So I was gonna ask a question, Brett, have you

820
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: to try to fight it? Like h this morning is

821
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: a class example for myself. Like I got up, I

822
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: was I was at the gym at six o'clock and

823
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: I went and worked out. But before I stepped into

824
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: the actual gym portion of it, I was like, oh,

825
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: I should probably I should probably go to the bathroom,

826
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, and then I something else. I went and

827
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: brush my teeth or something, and then I got it

828
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: in the gym and I'm like, oh shoot, Like I

829
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: never went to the bathroom, and so I ended up

830
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: working out for an hour. And then as soon as

831
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I started working out, I didn't even like, didn't even

832
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: phase me. I didn't even think about it. I didn't

833
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: feel like the pressure to go to the bathroom. But

834
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: when I was done, then it. I got back into

835
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: the locker room, I was showering and was like, okay, cool, done,

836
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: Now relieve myself. Yeah, I don't. I don't think I

837
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: avoid it. If I can solve the problem immediately, I

838
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: solve the problem, hence stopping it up. But that was

839
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: my whole thing was like I ended up. I thought

840
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: about it, but then I was either I got distracted

841
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: by something else and then kept going, and then through

842
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: that hour of workout or whatever that time was, I

843
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: didn't didn't even bother me, didn't even cross my mind.

844
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: I didn't even feel it. Yeah, I mean I think

845
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: I should. I should. I'm not. I'm not saying get

846
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: in your car and drive home for two hours and

847
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: go and hold it. Get you in the traffic on

848
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: the four oh five. That's a bad place there. I

849
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: can pull over if need be. I can pull over

850
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: side road all. I can pull over the gas station.

851
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: So I always have that in my mind. If I'm

852
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: stuck somewhere, what is my what is my exit? Typically

853
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: the biggest culprits that I see are soda. People drink

854
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: a lot of soda, and people who just super hydrate,

855
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: and then people who drink a lot of coffee. Okay,

856
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on from this one. Dr Todd, I

857
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: have another interesting question for you, Um are cold showers

858
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: better than hot? Doesn't matter because there's I'm always after performance,

859
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: like I'm always seeking better performance, and so I study

860
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: and learn and read a bunch of different things. And

861
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of discussion now, not only in wellness

862
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: and in health, but in performance that cold showers are

863
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: better than hot? Can you weigh in on this? So um,

864
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I have always wanted to start a journal of anecdotal medicine,

865
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: which is basically not evidence based medicine, things that people

866
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: just say that are true. You know, most of the

867
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: things that we say are true, for instance, should I

868
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: take cholesterol medication if I high cholesterol? Those are backed

869
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: up by huge studies that are randomized, placebo controlled studies

870
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: where there's hundreds of thousands of people and we can

871
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: look at outcomes. We don't have that kind of data

872
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: with hot and cold showers. Which one is better, which

873
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: one's worse? Do they really improve performance? Do they really

874
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: improve long term outcomes? We don't know. Personally myself, you know,

875
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: I am very similar to you. I've always been an athlete.

876
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: I've always been interested in performance, and so I'm constantly

877
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: looking for things that are benign me and they're not

878
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: going to cause any harm that will actually make me

879
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: feel better and maybe improve my performance so recently, you know,

880
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff and maybe we'll get

881
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: to later in this conversation that people are doing to

882
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: improve performance. And you know, there are people who say, look,

883
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: when I take a cold shower, it wakes me up.

884
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: It gets my you know, I feel like my immune

885
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: function is better. It just sort of shocks me and

886
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: stimulates me, and I feel really good. I don't know

887
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: if there's any real evidence to suggest that cold or

888
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: hot showers are better, but I do find that you

889
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: know people who ice after exercise, who you know, you

890
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: as a hockey player, you probably know that I played football.

891
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: We ced all the time, and it does improve in

892
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: my opinion with it does improve recovery, but I don't

893
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: truly know if it improves performance. Yeah. I would sometimes

894
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: do it too after a hockey game because the intensity

895
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: level is so high, um that I didn't want to

896
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: add more heat to it. Your body attempt is so

897
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: high that I would take a cold shower to help

898
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: me calm down and be able to sleep when I

899
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: went home, So I would for anybody listening. I would

900
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: sometimes do it later in the evening to to help

901
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: myself calm down and then I could go to bed.

902
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see which you thought. There's a

903
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: lot of people doing that ice therapy where they're getting

904
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: an ice tanks and yeah, yeah, we had cryos in

905
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: our locker room. You guys ever done a crydo therapy? Oh? Were?

906
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: I think we're going to go as a team. Yeah,

907
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: I have a place we can go do it. Um

908
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: it's fast team. Are you guys on you know, like

909
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: a podcast team? Yeah, we're thinking you other people, so

910
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: it's a competition ratings. I got a question Dr Todd,

911
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: intermittent intermittent fasting. Is that's a big thing now? Is

912
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: that a legitimate thing or is that like what's the deal?

913
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: Good question? Um so, so intermittent fasting, there's a there's

914
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of elements to this, and I'm I could

915
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: speak to this for walks. I get asked this question

916
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm interested in it myself. UM, I

917
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: think that for people who you're you really have to

918
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: find out and what works best for you. Um. There

919
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: are not a lot of huge studies out there that

920
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: look at long term data about in intermitten fasting. So again,

921
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: there is. There are small studies. I've read them, and

922
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak a little bit to that. So,

923
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: the the idea behind intermittent fasting, if you just think

924
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: about it from an evolutionary perspective, is there was very

925
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: few times until the last three years where people sat

926
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: down for three high caloric meals a day, right, breakfast, lunch,

927
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: and dinner. We like that, it's the way we behave. Um,

928
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, people always went to sleep when it got

929
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: dark and they always woke up when it got light.

930
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't the other way around. But there wasn't a

931
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: lot of times where people sat down for three meals

932
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: a day until recently. So the idea I think fundamentally

933
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: behind intermittent fasting is it mirrors more closely what we

934
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: evolved to do, more calories in a shorter period of time,

935
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: with lots of walking and exercise between. So I have

936
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: a thought on that too, because I've looked into this

937
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: as well. The reason, well, a lot of pulls see

938
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: results immediate, very urgent results from intermittent fasting. Um, they

939
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: can lose ten pounds in the first three weeks or something,

940
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: and they'll swear by they say this is amazing intermitute

941
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: fasting works. But what you're doing is, as he said,

942
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: you're there's a portion of the day where you are

943
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: not allowed to eat, where you're not eating, And really,

944
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: what you're doing, if you were to just what you're

945
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: doing is portion control. Is essentially what you're doing by

946
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: restricting this time where you're not eating, it's just restricting

947
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: portions really, and so as he said, there aren't studies

948
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: that really prove it. If a person was to take

949
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: that restraint and portion control into their standard diet, eating

950
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 1: three meals a day, the results would probably be the same.

951
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: So it's the jury is out on intermittent fasting. It's

952
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: of course, if there's an area of the day, like

953
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: if if it's all of a sudden, only sixteen hours

954
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: of the day or eight hours of the day that

955
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: you can eat, of course you're gonna lose weight. You

956
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: just most likely are because you can't eat that much

957
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: during that little amount of time. Um, But if you

958
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: just practice portion control in your regular diet, you would

959
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: probably get the same thing. But I do feel better

960
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: almost when I eat less during the course of the day.

961
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: When I'm highly active, i eat very little. I'll eat

962
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: a big meal in the evening. I'll have a shake

963
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: in the morning, sort of a shake around noon, like

964
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of fruit or something. Um. But I

965
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: don't eat a lot during the day, but agree with

966
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: intermittent fasting. I don't know, Dmitri. Instead of getting the

967
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: double double cheeseburger, just get the single cheeseburger, Okay, But

968
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: then I get that four times a day. Yes, you know,

969
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: we cut that into two and then you're fine. I

970
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: have a question on that topic. Well we'll move on.

971
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: Are there benefits or negative aspects to how we sleep?

972
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: Whether you're on your side, your back, your stomach? Um,

973
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: what other good question? Um, I don't know if it

974
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: really if it really matters where are you sleep, whether

975
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: it's on your side, your back, or your stomach. I

976
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: think that the amount you sleep and the quality of

977
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: your sleep is the most important thing. And you know

978
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: what I I think what I tell people is the

979
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: foundation of health is food, exercise, and sleep. That's it.

980
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: And mood is the some of those three things, and

981
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: it impacts all of those things. And sleep is super

982
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: fundamental to human function. There's there's a lot of good

983
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: books out right now about sleep, um, that are written

984
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: for general population, not necessarily medical providers, and they go

985
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: through the history of sleep, why we sleep, what's you know,

986
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: things that you know, ambing and this and that that

987
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: people take. But but essentially I really like to see

988
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: adults get eight hours of uninterrupted sleep. I don't care

989
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: whether it's on their back, their stomach, or their side,

990
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: and does it matter at what time of day they

991
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: get those eight hours of sleep. Um, well, there's there

992
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: is some thought that some people are night owls and

993
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: other people are early risers. So the early risers, and

994
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: you might see it in your own families. You might

995
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: have you know, three people in your family who just

996
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: seemed to go to bed at nine or ten o'clock

997
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: and they wake up at five or six. And then

998
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: you've got one kid who's up until you know, eleven

999
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: and twelve o'clock at night and sleep so ten in

1000
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: the morning. There is evolutionary components of that too, Like

1001
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: the teenagers they needed to stay up late so they

1002
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: could go out and make mistakes and score around when

1003
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: all the grown ups were asleep. You know, there was

1004
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: there was you know, early risers and in night owls

1005
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: because that could provide the most coverage for us. You

1006
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: know from protection from people trying to eat human beings,

1007
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: and so every you you have to find your sleep

1008
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: pattern and stick to it. I think all of the

1009
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: travel that people do is really disruptive. All of the

1010
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: air travel, time zone travel. We did not evolve to

1011
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: do that. That's brand new. So you know, people like

1012
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: going back and forth between all these time zones is

1013
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: really difficult on them. Sleeping in different places every night,

1014
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: it's really difficult. I have a question on the sleep topic,

1015
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: which is my arms constantly fall asleep because of the

1016
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: way I'm laying on them and while I'm sleeping, and

1017
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: I have have to stay up. If you're asleep, it's

1018
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: pretty good, Dmitri uh, moving on. So, and I have

1019
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: friends that have experienced the same thing. And one of

1020
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: my buddies was telling me that he basically has like

1021
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: fashioned himself a straight jacket of sorts because he's desperately

1022
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: trying to avoid having nerve damage. And I don't know

1023
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: if that's a thing, if you can actually have nerve

1024
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: damage if your arms are consistently on a nightly basis

1025
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: falling asleep. But I every single night, at least three

1026
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: times will wake up and I cannot I have no

1027
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: feeling in my left or right arm, so that, um,

1028
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: is that a new thing that just started up in

1029
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: your whole life? No, I think it's the No, it's

1030
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: within the past few years. And maybe the way that

1031
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping with my one of my arms under part

1032
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: of my head. I guess yeah, I think that that's

1033
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: pro reliate, it's positional, and that when we are sleeping,

1034
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: our bodies are literally catatonic. They're paralyzed. And so if

1035
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: you fall asleep in a position where you have a

1036
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: compressed nerve that will ultimately fall you know, fall asleep,

1037
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: you'll get in It's a little it's a transient neuropathy,

1038
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: meaning the nerve is not working great for you know,

1039
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: a few minutes until you shake it out and get

1040
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: some blood flow back to it. But I do not

1041
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: think it would cause permanent damage if it were something.

1042
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, there are people who have spinal stenosis, for instance,

1043
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: in laying in a certain position they start to get

1044
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: pain in their legs, or if they get cervical stenosis,

1045
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: they might get pain in their arms. So there's lots

1046
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: of different things that could be causing that. But if

1047
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: it sounds like if it goes away pretty quickly. You

1048
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: know what I mean, weakness or any other difficulty during

1049
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: the day, It's probably not a problem. I I sleep

1050
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: on my back. So we we'd have our team would

1051
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: have sleep doctors. We had sleep doctors that came in

1052
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: every year to talk to us. But I sleep on

1053
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: my back and tried to as much as possible. We

1054
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: were sort of advised on this. Why. I don't know why,

1055
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: but um, do you sleep on your side? You sleep?

1056
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: What do you guys do? Sleep on my side? And

1057
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: I keep a pillow in between my legs because I

1058
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: was told that it's actually more comfortable for me. And

1059
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: right Ryan actually has a nest. But I have like

1060
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: all pill down pillows just around me, one in my arms,

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Speaker 1: one in between my legs, one hovering in case one

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Speaker 1: of those falls on the floor, and then one of

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Speaker 1: those masks and cover to go over like a helmet

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Speaker 1: to where to protect his hair. To meet you, How

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00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: do you sleep? I honestly I don't sleep well. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I in terms of position I move. I keep

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Speaker 1: rotating all night long. Really, so I'm I'm on my

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00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: back and I can a lot of nights I can

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Speaker 1: fall asleep. The question here is doesn't matter how we sleep. Um,

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Speaker 1: I can fall asleep on my back and I'll wake

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00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: up the next morning in the exact same position. Um,

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00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: you probably changed a lot and made your way back

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Speaker 1: to that position. Yeah, that's possible, very possible. But um,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about sleep on this show before. I think sleep.

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Speaker 1: For me as an athlete, sleep was and I've said this,

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Speaker 1: the number one thing that I prioritize in my life

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Speaker 1: is sleep. And for people listening, if you want to

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00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: be if you just want to think overall wellness, Um,

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00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: sleep will affect everything. So there's something called you might

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00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: have heard of this stuck Um. The five factors of health.

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00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: The five factors of health, there's a discussion around this

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00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: is how you sleep, how you eat, how you move,

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00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: how you think, and the last one is how you

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00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: connect with people. Are sort of the five overarching factors

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Speaker 1: of health and wellness. And of the five, whenever I

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00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: talk to people, I say sleep is the absolute most important.

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00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: If sleep is in line the next morning, how you

1088
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: think will be clear. You're probably gonna make a better

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00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: nutritional choice, You're probably going to move, and you're probably

1090
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: going to be more receptive to your wife or kids.

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00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: If you have adequate sleep. So sleep for me is

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00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: the thing I prioritize the most. That's what I was

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00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: gonna say. Dr TDD you said, what was What were

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00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: the three things that the sum is mood, food, exercise,

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00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: and sleep. Right, So, ladies, if your guys being a dick,

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00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: don't dump him. Just get him, tell him to eat something, sleep,

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00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: and tell him the workout and then give him a

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00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: second chance. Don't just up and leave or a second opinion. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's let's get on. I do really like those five

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Speaker 1: fundamentals and some of the longitudinal studies about what really

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00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: makes people healthy. I think we can human connection and

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00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: the quality of the relationships. Yeah, I think. Um. There

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00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: was a longitudinal study I think it was called The

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00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: doctor's name was Valiant. He did it for years. He

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00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: looked at data from Harvard that was collected from ninety

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Speaker 1: three until almost two thousands, and he um he summed

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: it up that the most important thing in successful human

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00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: behavior was love. Was the connections that we had to

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: our family and to other people, and that's really what

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Speaker 1: drove vitality. It sort of goes in line. I also

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Speaker 1: heard a study about the the two fears that people

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00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: have and what you're saying speaks to this. The two

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Speaker 1: fears that people have is one being ostracized from the

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00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: group and two that they might get some physical harm,

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Speaker 1: are really the only two fears that people have, and

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Speaker 1: so the communal element of it, Um, what you're saying

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00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: is is love and connection is massive too. I think

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Speaker 1: overall wellness and health um Rick just touched on it.

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Speaker 1: Here's a question for you, Dr Todd. Do doctors get piste?

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Speaker 1: Like if I come in and say, you give me

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00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: an answer, and I say I want a second opinion,

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: do doctors get piste if we want a second opinion?

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00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: They shouldn't. Um. You know, I think that you know

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00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: one of the problems in medicine, and I like to

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Speaker 1: refer to a lot as this. You know, these aren't

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Speaker 1: my ideas. That this is Carol Dwex ideas about growth

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: and fixed mindsets. And I think that a lot of

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00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: doctors become fixed mindset people because they have to accept

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: a paradigm and practice it, and when it gets challenged

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00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: it's very unnerving for them. But I think a good

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00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: doctor who's a lifetime learner is someone with a real

1132
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: growth mindset who can look at these failures or challenges

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00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: an opportunity to learn. So I would say, if your

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: doctor does get pissed, it might be a good opportunity

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Speaker 1: for you to look for another doctors. I know, I

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00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: know doctors hate when you say I googled something, that's

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00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: for sure. But I once had a doctor snap at

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Speaker 1: me because I guess I self diagnos I went in,

1139
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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, Dot, my legs have been hurting.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a m if it's poor circulation.

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00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's poor circulation? As I know,

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00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. He's don't guess, and I'm like, well,

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: that's why I'm here, Like, that's only a function of time,

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00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: I think if doctors, I think, really, doctors don't have

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00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: enough time to In the old days, where doctors saw,

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Speaker 1: you know, four or five people a day, and the

1147
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: problems were not quite as bizarre as they seemed to

1148
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: be today, we didn't know as much, so there was

1149
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: simpler solutions. They had more time to talk. But now,

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00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, when you're seeing people a day and a

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00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: real smart guy comes in and wants to talk about

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00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: his hypotheses that he got from Google, you just don't

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00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: have time to do it. You just call me a

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: real smart Was that a sarcastic smart guy? Or like

1155
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: really want air quotations when he said he did lift

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01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: his giant hands up and do his air quotations. Dr Todd,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. Um, do any of you guys

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01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,959
Speaker 1: have I'm gonna come see you at some point because

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Speaker 1: does anybody else have any questions that they want? One

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01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: quick one? Okay, I'm late. I mean my you know,

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Speaker 1: mid forties. Is there one food that I should like

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Speaker 1: totally be avoiding, or one food that I that I

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01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: should be trying to eat more often, or just you

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: know overall health like super food or gluten or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I would avoid anything Brooks is eating that makes you

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Speaker 1: dump six times a day. But well, I would say,

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Speaker 1: without going in this is another huge topic, but I

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Speaker 1: would say that, you know, eating whole foods and avoiding

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Speaker 1: process foods would probably be the number one rule, And

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Speaker 1: if you can avoid genetically modified foods, that's probably number two.

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Speaker 1: And the question about gluten and all of these other

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Speaker 1: hypersensitivities and autoimmune things that are coming from nutrition are

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Speaker 1: because our bodies are seeing genetically modified foods that that

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Speaker 1: they just haven't seen in our evolution and it's causing

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Speaker 1: inflammatory reactions. So I would say if you can, try

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Speaker 1: not to stay away from process foods and try and

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Speaker 1: be careful with that genetically modified foods when you can.

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Speaker 1: It's hard because everything has genetic modification in it. But

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Speaker 1: to your point about gluten, the glead and protein that's

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Speaker 1: in wheat is the classic genetically modified protein that in

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Speaker 1: order to provide nutrition for huge growing human population. Wow,

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01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: so we can eat spam. I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 1: Dr Todd. I want to thank you so much for

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01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: your expertise, uh and taking the time to come in

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Speaker 1: to see us. Awesome, appreciate you. I feel better already.

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01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: So Dr Todd was awesome. And going back to the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the show, Ryan, I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: what did you think about our friend Dr Todd that

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01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: all doctors are not evil as you had a connotation

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01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: or perception of before does this? Does this patch that

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Speaker 1: wound a little bit that there are doctors that do

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01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: care about you, you sensitive soul. Dr Todd changed my

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01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: opinion and the generalization that I had on physicians. That said.

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01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: I am going to call him tonight and send him

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: an email tomorrow. No, no, you have no contact with

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: Dr Todd unless this Dr Todd if you're listening. If

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Speaker 1: I do not, you're back from me. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what man you're on the list. No, no, you know,

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Speaker 1: Danielle Amy, make sure Ryan does not get Dr Todd's info.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to have him back. And no more faking

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Speaker 1: your own death. Yeah, no more, please, no more. Um.

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01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: But I hope this is able that Dr Todd showed

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01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: you that he does care about you. He loves you

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01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: as his child. He doesn't even remember your name. He

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01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: was like I was on this podcast, but Dr Todd

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: was fantastic. He was cool. I'd like to have him

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01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: back again. And by the way, Brett has been in

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01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: the bathroom for the last thirty minutes. We haven't seen him,

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01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: but he's our number one guest. Well, I want to

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Speaker 1: thank Dr Todd for coming uh and we always appreciate

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Speaker 1: your guys questions, you have health questions. We'd love to

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Speaker 1: have Dr Todd back again. But if you have health questions,

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: we can forward those to him, get him back on

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: the show. So you can email us men at I

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: heart radio dot com and find us on Instagram. How

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01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: men think podcasts. Send us your questions there. Thank you

1217
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: good sirs, which got to check. Check Gavin's tour schedule.

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01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: Go see a show if he's near you. That is

1219
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the podcast. To sign off from Brooks. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to sign off today. I'm gonna let

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Speaker 1: you do it. I remember it and remember love one another,

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01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: protect one another, don't fake. Hey guys, it's Brooks and

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Speaker 1: one last thing before we let you go. If you

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Speaker 1: like today's episode, you would love to get a five

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: star review from you on iTunes and if you could

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01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: possibly share it with a friend, that would be amazing

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Speaker 1: as well. We always look forward to your questions, comments,

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Speaker 1: or insights, so you can send us an email at

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: men at I heart radio dot com and also follow

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Speaker 1: along with us on Instagram at how Men Think Podcast