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Speaker 2: Morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody feeling this morning?

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Speaker 3: You guys, what's that?

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Speaker 4: Griffin's in a jacket?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Griffin's looking very fancy. And just in case you

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Speaker 2: because Congressman Rocanna is going to be joining us.

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Speaker 5: Dress up for Roe, I do, I do, But then

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Speaker 2: Sweatpants, that's the vibe, that's the vibe. So Rocana is

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Speaker 2: going to join us. Obviously he was a leader on

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Speaker 2: So we'll get into that. The present making all kinds

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Speaker 6: All right, guys, joining us this morning.

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Speaker 2: To talk about the War Powers resolution vote that happened

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Speaker 2: a Congressman Rokanna from California. Great to see you, Congressman.

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Speaker 8: Always a pleasure, Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, first of all, just your reaction to you.

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Speaker 6: So your reaction with that, it.

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Speaker 8: Was very disappointing. Disappointing because we've already lost six American

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Speaker 8: I mean, so you're asking people to die, and you're

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Speaker 8: that's what Yahu wants, but we want Americans dying for that,

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Speaker 8: was saddened for our nation that after Iraq, after Afghanistan,

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Speaker 8: War Powers resolution to pass. But we're not giving up.

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Speaker 8: By the way, I've been disappointed by some of the

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Speaker 8: vote for funding some supplementals if it helps our troops.

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Speaker 8: There should be a consistent now democratic line, not a

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Speaker 4: Well, I have a question on that note.

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Speaker 8: Actually I was.

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Speaker 7: I interviewed You're calling Thomas Massey the other day who

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Speaker 7: the record about where they stand on the war, to

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Speaker 7: actually take a vote. Have the two of you talked

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Speaker 8: It's a good idea. I actually I haven't talked to

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Speaker 8: you know, I mean Lindsey Graham's view as we are

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Speaker 8: just go to war under Article two, and you know,

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Speaker 3: So one of the if there was any good news

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Speaker 3: it was that, under under pressure, Democratic leadership did decide

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Speaker 3: Lake and Riley right out of the gate, they said,

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Speaker 3: the party or the country. So in this case they said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: did flip three of the four kind of public members

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Speaker 3: to curious how you you know, what you did to

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, it is an achievement that we

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Speaker 8: So they have us lead, and now to have the

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Speaker 8: we're not going to offer some diluted substitute for it.

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Speaker 8: It's not a credit to me or Massy as much

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Speaker 8: But I was like, you can't even praise folks anymore.

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Speaker 3: So you know, Lansman was getting berated on the House

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Speaker 8: I did not firsthand, but you're right. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: The two issues that you've made most central to kind

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Speaker 8: Slowly hitting them. But we've only been there a week,

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Speaker 2: Let me get your reaction, and Griffin, if you could

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Speaker 8: Well, this is the clearest evidence that Donald Trump may

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Speaker 3: You've got it. You've got a either a primary challenge

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Speaker 8: They're all outing, all out having a freak out over me.

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Speaker 5: of like one hundred and seventy plus school children, and

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Speaker 5: the Washington Post has reported that Anthropics Claude was used

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Speaker 5: in some of those targeting systems. What do you think

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Speaker 5: do these AI companies should they be working with this pentagon?

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Speaker 5: And should these AI companies face any consequences if their

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Speaker 5: technology is used to commit war crimes?

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Speaker 8: Yes on the latter, and know if their technology is

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Speaker 8: be used to make decisions about who to kill and

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Speaker 8: who to strike. And I'm surprised Claude was used there

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Speaker 8: given that Dario said that he that was a red

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Speaker 8: line for him. So I'd have to look at the

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Speaker 8: reporting because I do not think we should be using

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Speaker 8: artificial intelligence to make decisions about killing human beings. Look,

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Speaker 8: I believe that every human being has dignity and that

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Speaker 8: while as a political matter, we have to care about

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Speaker 8: our nation and America, that doesn't mean that the life

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Speaker 8: of an Iranian schoolgirl has less dignity intrinsically as a

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Speaker 8: human being than the life of an American. That's what

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Speaker 8: we mean by God has created inalienable rights for every

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Speaker 8: human being, and that Pete Exit saying it's PC to

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Speaker 8: care about civilians is just so such a betrayal of

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Speaker 8: every principle of the founding of this country. And it's

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Speaker 8: sort of the Net and Yahoo approach in Gaza. And

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Speaker 8: the question I think is broader. Yes, there's the question

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Speaker 8: of a obviously, which we shouldn't have, but the question

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Speaker 8: is do we believe in the dignity of every human life,

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Speaker 8: or has America first becomes so warped that we actually

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Speaker 8: believe that lives overseas, particularly lives in the Middle East,

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Speaker 8: that maybe brown don't have the same human dignity, And that,

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Speaker 8: to me is what's so tragic about what happened.

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Speaker 7: The only point I was gonna make it wasn't even

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Speaker 7: a question, was just your point about the rhetoric on

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Speaker 7: the left changing and hoping that drags people in the

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Speaker 7: substance along with it.

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Speaker 4: It's so it's so paralleled.

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Speaker 7: By what's happening with quote unquote America First, as you

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Speaker 7: just pointed out right now, that there's a lot of

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Speaker 7: excitement among genuine skeptics of interventionism on the right, that

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump was talking this way and that Pete Heigseth

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Speaker 7: was describing himself as a reformed Neocon. But it's all

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Speaker 7: rhetoric until the substance is on the table, So not

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Speaker 7: necessarily a question. I don't know if you've response to it, wrote,

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Speaker 7: but it's how politics work.

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Speaker 4: It's depressive.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's why our politics for the last

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Speaker 8: few decades hasn't been as serious and why there's so

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Speaker 8: much cynicism about the country, because we've been such a

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Speaker 8: marketing branding let's have the change candidate, generational change, new

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Speaker 8: change outsider. But the presidents and leaders who made a

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Speaker 8: real mark were substantive, Like we study FDR not because

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Speaker 8: he had great speeches, but because he had programs that

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Speaker 8: fundamentally changed people's lives. And of course, you know, I

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Speaker 8: was a co chair of Bernie's campaign, but what drew

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Speaker 8: me to Bernie was the was not I mean, he's

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Speaker 8: he can rally people, and he had more people at

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Speaker 8: Stanford when we were together than even President Obama did.

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Speaker 8: But What drew me to him is the substantive ideas,

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Speaker 8: the programmatic agenda that he was offering, and that I

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Speaker 8: think is the challenge for the progressive movement. Now we're winning.

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Speaker 8: I actually think we're a send it on the rhetoric,

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Speaker 8: on the diagnosis of the problem. But we can't be

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Speaker 8: co opted into just the branding without the fight, right.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I could say, look, I'm against I think

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Speaker 8: the problem in Silicon Valley is the top versus the bottom,

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Speaker 8: and we need to hold billionaires accountable and billionaires need

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Speaker 8: to pay their fair share and avoid a primary challenge.

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Speaker 8: And still to be like, Okay, he's right or no,

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Speaker 8: like no, I actually am going to support an initiative

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Speaker 8: to raise their tax right and if you don't have

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Speaker 8: that substance, then there's going to be no change.

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Speaker 3: Now you hear from the billionaires, some of the billionaires

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Speaker 3: just hate it, you know, and will openly admit that

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Speaker 3: they hate it on the principle that don't take any

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Speaker 3: of my stuff. It's all my stuff. I worked for it,

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Speaker 3: you can't have any of it. A lot of the billionaires, though,

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Speaker 3: will say we're only talking about a thousand people, so

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Speaker 3: I don't want to pretend there's a whole lot of peoples,

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Speaker 3: roughly a thousand people, but a lot of them will say,

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Speaker 3: we should pay our fair share, we should give back.

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Speaker 3: But this isn't workable because you're going to hurt you know, founders,

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Speaker 3: and you're going to hurt you you're going to harm

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Speaker 3: the economy. So they've set up this system where, you know,

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Speaker 3: they they just accumulate assets and then they borrow against

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Speaker 3: those assets, and they use that borrowing to fund their

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Speaker 3: extremely lavish lifestyle, and then when they die, they pass

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Speaker 3: it all down to the next generation without paying any taxes,

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Speaker 3: and they never had any income then because it's just

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Speaker 3: all asset growth and borrowing against the asset growth. So

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Speaker 3: if you had any of these billionaires who claim that

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Speaker 3: they agree with the principle that they should pay their

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Speaker 3: fair share, come to you and say, talk to my accountant,

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Speaker 3: and let's figure out a way that it actually is workable,

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Speaker 3: you know, so that we're not you know, punishing you know,

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Speaker 3: startup startups, and we're not undermining innovation. As if they

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Speaker 3: care about innovation, they've spent the last fifteen years, you know,

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Speaker 3: gobbling up company you know, startups and destroying them but

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Speaker 3: let's pretend they do care about innovation. Has anybody come

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Speaker 3: to you and said, Okay, you're wrong about this. I

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Speaker 3: don't like the way you're doing it, but I agree

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Speaker 3: with the principle. So here's here's the way you could

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Speaker 3: actually do the thing that you're trying to do without,

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Speaker 3: you know, squelching innovation.

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Speaker 8: Yes, and you're right. Look, I think they're more than

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Speaker 8: a thousand billionaires. There are certainly more billionaires on paper.

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Speaker 8: And some of the folks are doing incredibly innovative things

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Speaker 8: now they're benefiting from public investment and things that happened

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Speaker 8: at Dartmouth and MIT and Stanford at Berkeley, which they

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Speaker 8: don't often acknowledge. But yeah, there are a lot of

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Speaker 8: people are hardworking and entrepreneurial and innovative, and they're right

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Speaker 8: on an issue of paper billionaires in ill liquid stock.

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Speaker 8: You don't want to tax that. But there are provisions

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Speaker 8: that can be worked out by the IRS or the

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Speaker 8: California Franchise Board. Let me give you a simple one.

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Speaker 8: You could get a non recourse loan on your pledge stock.

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Speaker 8: What does that mean. Let's say your company is worth

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Speaker 8: a billion dollars and you have to pay a five

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Speaker 8: percent tax. So you put say, okay, I will give

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Speaker 8: you this five percent in stock as collateral. You give

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Speaker 8: me a loan to pay the tax. You can't come

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Speaker 8: after me personally, so it's non recourse. And if the

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Speaker 8: stock goes down, then you know, I'm not liable for it.

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Speaker 8: But the stock could also go up, right, So any

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Speaker 8: of these problems have simple workarounds, and they're using them

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Speaker 8: because they're opposed to the tax, not because they're looking

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Speaker 8: for a creative solution. If they are, you know, I've

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Speaker 8: offered one on the issue of ill liquid stocks that

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Speaker 8: would solve a lot of those concerns.

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Speaker 6: Congers.

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Speaker 2: And finally, did want to get your reaction to the

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Speaker 2: jobs report that we just got out this morning, Griff

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you have those numbers to pull,

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Speaker 2: but according to the official government numbers, we lost ninety

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Speaker 2: two thousand jobs last month. That was a huge miss

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Speaker 2: from what had been expected. The unemployment rate also ticked up.

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Speaker 2: The previous months have also been revised downward, so there

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Speaker 2: was very little job creation overall in the entire year

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, and I believe it was in

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Speaker 2: the month of December there was actually a net loss here,

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Speaker 2: So here you can see the numbers. Ninety two thousand

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Speaker 2: jobs lost below expectations of a fifty eight.

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Speaker 6: Thousand job gain.

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Speaker 2: Unemployment rate is four point four percent, above expectations of

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Speaker 2: four point three percent, and this is just the second

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Speaker 2: monthly job loss we have seen since the twenty twenty pandemic.

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Speaker 2: You know, what is your reaction to these numbers in

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Speaker 2: your sense of where the country is economically right now?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that AI also is playing a role

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Speaker 2: in this job loss?

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Speaker 8: I do. I mean, I'm obviously sad and concerned by it,

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Speaker 8: but I'm not surprised. As someone who taught economics is

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Speaker 8: a visiting lecture at Stanford before getting into politics, I

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Speaker 8: was probably going to be an academic. You know, I've

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Speaker 8: always been surprised that we haven't seen these numbers yet

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Speaker 8: for a number of reasons. Look, when you blanket restrict

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Speaker 8: immigration as this president has, and you have blanket tariffs

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Speaker 8: as this president has, and skew an economy where you're

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Speaker 8: just going to apply tax breaks to the very wealthy

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Speaker 8: and not invest in consumer spending for working in middle

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Speaker 8: classes as president has, you're going to have an impact

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Speaker 8: on slowing down the economy and causing unemployment, and you

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Speaker 8: know he's been skirting by. But anecdotally, I mean, talk

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Speaker 8: to people who are graduating school as all if you have,

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Speaker 8: or just high school, even college, even prestigious colleges, and

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Speaker 8: they're saying they're having a hard time in the job market.

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Speaker 8: And then I think AI is adding to that. Not

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Speaker 8: just anecdotally, but there's a paper at Stanford that shows

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Speaker 8: that there's a sixteen percent job loss for young people

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Speaker 8: under twenty five in AI exposed professions and coding and

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Speaker 8: customer support. And you know, you have to still disaggregate

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Speaker 8: the data, but that's adding to it as well. So

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Speaker 8: all of this says is that we need an actual

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Speaker 8: economic policy, a job's policy that's going to hire people,

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Speaker 8: with the federal government getting involved, in my view, and

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Speaker 8: hiring and preventing mass displacement. We need a policy that's

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Speaker 8: going to actually focus on the working in middle class

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Speaker 8: again to have consumer spending. We need a policy that's

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Speaker 8: actually going to have industrial investments across this country. And

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Speaker 8: you have, unfortunately, a president who has the exact opposite view.

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Speaker 8: And I really believe it's like the nineteen twenties where

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Speaker 8: you had Mellon, who was the Treasury secretary, basically saying,

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Speaker 8: only a few elites really drive the economy to hoover

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Speaker 8: and the rest are just a waste and we need

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Speaker 8: to skew all of our policy to them. And they did,

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Speaker 8: and they caused a great depression. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 8: we're going to have a great depression, but we've got mismanagement.

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Speaker 8: And the opportunity for the Democrats in twenty six and

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Speaker 8: twenty eight is to have a real new deal moment

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Speaker 8: that helps rebuild the economy of this nation.

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Speaker 3: Have you been tooling around with any new policies to

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Speaker 3: address this? And shortcut Chaker Barty, who I think you

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Speaker 3: know that.

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Speaker 8: Is running a great campaign up in San Francisco and

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Speaker 8: as a real shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he was on his on Piker's show

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Speaker 3: this week and was saying that what you know, for instance,

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Speaker 3: one of the one of the ideas that he threw

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Speaker 3: out was there needs to be more thought about the

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Speaker 3: public's involvement in the economy and that if AI is

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Speaker 3: able to drive the cost of providing something to the

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Speaker 3: public down to basically zero, that that should no longer

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Speaker 3: be controlled privately by oligarchs, that the government. Then if

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Speaker 3: it is really zero that the government should be able

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Speaker 3: to then just provide it for people. We're like that,

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Speaker 3: that's just one like kind of new idea about how

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Speaker 3: you have to reorient your thinking about an economy that

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Speaker 3: you know is going to be you know, cost free

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Speaker 3: for a lot of the services, just aside from you know,

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Speaker 3: if you can solve the you know, the compute and

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Speaker 3: the energy problem, of course, but although that it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: cost as much as the oligarchs are kind of extracting

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Speaker 3: from the economy. In other words, is there any so

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Speaker 3: is there anything you're kicking around like, because we're entering

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Speaker 3: a new kind of series of social relations to the economy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I mean I've called for a new tech

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Speaker 8: social contract and I laid out seven principles at a

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Speaker 8: speech recently with Bernice Andrews at Stanford. But one of

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Speaker 8: the ideas that I believe is that we should have

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Speaker 8: like a Civilian Conservation Corps of federal Future Workforce Administration

651
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Speaker 8: that hires people right out of high school, right out

652
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Speaker 8: of college both to go into their community to rebuild

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Speaker 8: those communities, do childcare jobs, elder care jobs, counseling jobs,

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Speaker 8: and or to to work in the federal government to

655
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Speaker 8: do renewable energy or moonshot projects or im improve customer service.

656
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Speaker 8: And it should be paid for by both a wealth

657
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Speaker 8: tax attack on billionaires and attax on token on AI

658
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Speaker 8: use on enterprise AI use that would generate a public

659
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Speaker 8: return for employment from the automation that may be caused

660
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Speaker 8: by AI. We can go to other policies, but the

661
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Speaker 8: other thing I believe is that we need to be

662
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Speaker 8: protecting human beings and make sure truck drivers aren't losing

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Speaker 8: their jobs, make sure that uh, there's not mass displacement

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Speaker 8: in industries that you need a human being in the loop.

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Speaker 8: So I certainly think that there's this opportunity now for

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Speaker 8: a strong economic jobs agenda that because the impact is

667
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Speaker 8: not just on blue collar workers, it's also on white

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Speaker 8: collar workers.

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Speaker 6: All right, well, Commerce, and thank you for your time

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Speaker 6: this morning.

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Speaker 2: I think I speak for an audience when I say

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Speaker 2: thank you for your leadership on the War Powers resolution

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Speaker 2: and any number of other issues. Are always grateful for

674
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Speaker 2: your for a chance to get to speak with you,

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Speaker 2: So thank you.

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Speaker 8: Always enjoyed thanks for having me.

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Speaker 6: All right, thank you, Roe, Thanks thanks much.

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Speaker 8: Great, thank you.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, I think we should pick up with

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Speaker 5: some more updates.

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Speaker 3: On the Iran war.

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Speaker 5: Why don't we start with a little bit of new

683
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Speaker 5: comments from our president here?

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Speaker 8: So what's left? But they're tough and they want to fight,

685
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 8: and they're calling. They're saying, how do we make it deal?

686
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Speaker 8: I said, you're being a little bit late, and we

687
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Speaker 8: want to fight now more than they do. We've had

688
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Speaker 8: forty seven years depending on the way you counted.

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Speaker 3: All right, we want to fight now more than they do.

690
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Speaker 3: Who's the WII.

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Speaker 2: A great question, great question, certainly not the vast majority

692
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Speaker 2: of the country. Certainly he's not sending Baron over to fight,

693
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Speaker 2: so apparently the we doesn't include him. I mean I also, yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: Sen Lindsey Grahmman. You know he's not too old, judging

695
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Speaker 2: by the Ukrainian military standards. Get him on the front lines. No,

696
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Speaker 2: I mean, Brian, I'm curious, based on you know, the

697
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Speaker 2: reporting you guys have been doing over at drop site,

698
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Speaker 2: I don't think this is accurate. It seems to me

699
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Speaker 2: that the Iranians have decided they don't want a ceasefire,

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Speaker 2: yet they feel that they need to exact some more

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Speaker 2: pain and punish, you know, the US and Israel and

702
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Speaker 2: the Golf allies to try to deter them from going

703
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Speaker 2: down this path again. So, you know, I think this

704
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Speaker 2: is this is just a flat out lie as far

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Speaker 2: as I can tell from the President of like, Oh,

706
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: they totally want to talk, but we're not interested. You know,

707
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: we really want to keep fighting. When in actuality, she

708
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: was thinking he'd be able to go in and have

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Speaker 2: some sort of glorious mission accomplished moment moment, and then

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Speaker 2: the Iranians would come back to the Hey please, sir, please,

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Speaker 2: can we go back and you know, or diplomas, yeah,

712
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Speaker 2: et cetera. And obviously that didn't work out because that

713
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Speaker 2: was idiotic from the jump, and now they're having to

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Speaker 2: scramble and figure out what comes next.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think that is a lie. Now there could

716
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: always be back channel communications that we don't know about.

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Speaker 4: And that Trump is just alluding to.

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Speaker 3: Ye're right, I think it's made up. Jeremy My colleaguelver

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Speaker 3: Jobsite spoke with the Deputy Foreign Minister of Roan on

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Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon local time and him that directly and they

721
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Speaker 3: and he said absolutely not there there's and he said,

722
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Speaker 3: like how stupid it is all close to a direct woe.

723
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Speaker 3: But he's like, how stupid would we have to be

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Speaker 3: to immediately enter into negotiations with this, with this country

725
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Speaker 3: that has shown that it is not willing to abide

726
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Speaker 3: by any of the norms of negotiations. You know, they

727
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Speaker 3: were scheduled to meet in Geneva on Monday when the

728
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Speaker 3: US and Israel launched the war on Saturday, and you know,

729
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Speaker 3: right out of the gate bombing the school down in

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Speaker 3: monob in southern Iran. And back in June, they were

731
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Speaker 3: also scheduled to meet in Moscot like a day later

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Speaker 3: or something to go over technical details, like a lot

733
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Speaker 3: of the hard things had allegedly been worked out. And

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Speaker 3: so he said no like And he also asked him,

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Speaker 3: do you see this as a kind of a war

736
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Speaker 3: for positioning and negotiations or more of an existential war,

737
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Speaker 3: And he said, we see this as an existential war.

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Speaker 3: So from their perspective, they believe that the US is

739
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Speaker 3: trying to wipe them off the map. And so if

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Speaker 3: you believe that, then you have to then hit back,

741
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Speaker 3: and you have to take a huge chunk out of

742
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Speaker 3: the US in Israel to make it costly to them.

743
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Speaker 3: And they very clearly seem aimed at at the global

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Speaker 3: economy and in particular the Western economy as it orients

745
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Speaker 3: itself around like Dubai and cutter and the kind of

746
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Speaker 3: flows of natural gas and oil. There was some reporting

747
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Speaker 3: where they said where they commented that, you know, they

748
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Speaker 3: want to turn Dubai into Kuwait. Basically they said, you know,

749
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Speaker 3: Kuwait in nineteen ninety one was like the Dubai of

750
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Speaker 3: the region and never quite recovered from the Iraq war.

751
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Speaker 3: Kuwait is very wealthy country. They're doing extremely well, but

752
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Speaker 3: they're not Dubai. And their argument is that it's because

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Speaker 3: of that, you know, that experience of violence. It's very

754
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Speaker 3: difficult to create this like Western expat culture. If people

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Speaker 3: think that their apartment building is going to be knocked

756
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Speaker 3: down at at any at any moment, and so they're

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Speaker 3: trying to it sounds like inflict that kind of pain

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Speaker 3: on these on these Gulf states. They have they've knocked out,

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Speaker 3: you know, significant elements of of the American radar system,

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Speaker 3: radar and early warning systems. Uh. They they themselves have

761
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Speaker 3: had a lot of their launch capacity obliterated by the

762
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Speaker 3: United States, but they've continued to be able to launch

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Speaker 3: launch drones, and they're now moving into their more expensive

764
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Speaker 3: and more sophisticated and newer ballistic missiles, which is terrible

765
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Speaker 3: news for for Israel because at the same time that

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Speaker 3: Israel has you know, has less early warning capacity and

767
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Speaker 3: has drained their you know, their defense capacity, Iran is

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Speaker 3: now shifting to it's you know, more sophisticated, more and

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Speaker 3: and you know these missiles that have much more kind

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Speaker 3: of maneuverability and are much more difficult for the Patriot

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Speaker 3: and THAD systems to intercept. You know, the you know,

772
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Speaker 3: lateral gas production is shut down and cutter. Uh, the

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Speaker 3: you know, the straits are closed, the oil prices are surging.

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00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: Asia is like choking from you know, Asia is choking

775
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Speaker 3: more than we are because like you know, goes from

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Speaker 3: the Strait of Formouse through the Indian Ocean and over

777
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Speaker 3: to over to Asia first. But our supply chains are

778
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Speaker 3: directly linked, like you know, whether it's copper or chlorine

779
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: or anything else, like it all relies on these uh,

780
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Speaker 3: these global supplies continuing to move. They you know, Iran

781
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Speaker 3: in what you'd have to have to call a war crime.

782
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Speaker 3: They had they hit another tanker with you know, which

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Speaker 3: was an unarmed civilian piece of infrastructure. They but they've

784
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Speaker 3: promised that they're going to do that like that's they've said,

785
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Speaker 3: this trade is closed and if ships try to go

786
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Speaker 3: through it, we're going to attack them. That's against international law.

787
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Speaker 3: But both you know, neither side has shown any respect

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Speaker 3: for it. The you have a lot of last last

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Speaker 3: point you have. I've seen a lot of israelis Israeli

790
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Speaker 3: officials complaining about what they're calling cluster munitions that Iran

791
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Speaker 3: is using to try to get around I've got a

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Speaker 3: video of it here defense missiles. UH Israel. Neither Israel

793
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Speaker 3: nor i Ron ever signed the Convention on clutter Munitions.

794
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Speaker 3: UH Israel has spent the last you know, many decades

795
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Speaker 3: actively mocking the idea of international law. Ah, pushing sanctions

796
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Speaker 3: on the people who are on judges, who were on

797
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Speaker 3: the International Criminal Court and the i JC. So to

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Speaker 3: now kind of reach for international law as you know,

799
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Speaker 3: when you're getting attacked, I think it's probably going to

800
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: strike a lot of peoples as hypocritical and inconsistent. So, yes,

801
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Speaker 3: our class communitions against international law only for the only

802
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: for the countries that signed onto it is you'll never

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Speaker 3: signed onto it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I mean this is something of course,

805
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Speaker 2: you know, we've been warning about obviously with Gaza, but

806
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: you know, going back longer to the War on Terror, etc.

807
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: And the you know, war crimes prior to the Gaza

808
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: genocide era. But you know, once you take international law

809
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: off the table, it's off the table for everyone, you know,

810
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: and that means right now we have not only our

811
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Speaker 2: service members in the region, we have you know, a

812
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Speaker 2: million Americans who are basically stuck because the airports are

813
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Speaker 2: all closed and the government didn't give them any warning.

814
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Speaker 2: And now lo and behold oopsis you're all at risk.

815
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Speaker 2: And so you know, that law of the jungle, that barbarism,

816
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: that Pandora's box that you've opened up, that is already

817
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: putting you know, not just the the bad guys that

818
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: you don't like if you're Donald Trump or Benjamin Nett, Yahoo,

819
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: but that's putting your own people at risk as well.

820
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Speaker 6: That is the world that you have yourself created.

821
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I don't even like, yes, it's

822
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Speaker 2: it's a war crime to attack those you know, those tankers,

823
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Speaker 2: the attacks on the like luxury hotels where they seem

824
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Speaker 2: to think that us a service personnel are staying Now,

825
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Speaker 2: you know what the Israelis would argue there though, Oh

826
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Speaker 2: they you know, they're they're using those Yeah, those people's

827
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Speaker 2: human shields because they shouldn't be there in that civilian infrastructure.

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Speaker 6: So that gives us the right to be able to

829
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Speaker 6: bomb the hell out of it. Yeah, well, well that's true too.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I just I think it will fall

832
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Speaker 2: on deaf years if they try to complain about, you know,

833
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Speaker 2: a tanker being struck when meanwhile, you know, you've just

834
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Speaker 2: bombed a girls' school and murdered some one hundred and

835
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Speaker 2: seventy little girls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they hit ray, found a la rear in

837
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Speaker 3: a second floor apartment, a poet with a precision strike.

838
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, and that's just that's just one. That's just

839
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Speaker 3: one strike, right.

840
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Speaker 2: Well, and I mean we assassinated their head of state,

841
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: like we murdered their head of state. That's that is

842
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: not that is not consistent with international law. So yeah,

843
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Speaker 2: I mean that this is the world they have created.

844
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Speaker 2: Don't be surprised when your adversaries also then ignore, you know,

845
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Speaker 2: the rules that protect civilians and protect civilian infrastructure.

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Speaker 7: Well, also, they like to wax poetic about fanaticism in

847
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Speaker 7: the Iranian government. And we got in a little bit

848
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Speaker 7: with Sager yesterday Chrystal to some of that element of

849
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Speaker 7: this you just mentioned. We killed their leader who was

850
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Speaker 7: saying it was his greatest wish to be martyred and

851
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Speaker 7: not die basically normal death. And that discussion was specifically,

852
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Speaker 7: it wasn't about Shia Islam or Islam in general, specifically

853
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Speaker 7: about the IRGC's theology, and the neo Khans love to

854
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 7: bang that drum over and over again as an excuse

855
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Speaker 7: not to go to war. And then you realize, yes,

856
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 7: the i GC had a lot of its command taken out,

857
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Speaker 7: it's still it's still functioning. Right now, what's potentially on

858
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Speaker 7: the table is how many sun taking over. And now

859
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Speaker 7: you have people who watch what happened at the girls

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Speaker 7: school and see their leader being.

861
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Speaker 4: As he would have said, martyred.

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Speaker 7: Why is this a better situation by your own logic,

863
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Speaker 7: borrowing their own argument here, Why are you now in

864
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 7: a better situation in the long term, when to Ryan's point,

865
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 7: these drones.

866
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: Are so cheap to produce.

867
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 7: You can't bomb the knowledge a way of how to

868
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 7: make the drones. You can't bomb the knowledge away of

869
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 7: how to make the missiles and you certainly aren't going

870
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 7: to bomb away the ideology, buy your own argument. So

871
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 7: I don't know why anybody would feel safer right now.

872
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: They reduced gosit of rubble and still and you know,

873
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: did not get rid of a musk. No, So you

874
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: think in a large country, ninety million people, that this

875
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: is good, that this is going to work out this

876
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: time when literally, in all of aviation history, it has

877
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: not succeeded to create regime change using air power alone. Now,

878
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: can they you know, can they collapse the country? Can

879
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: they create chaos civil war? That's obviously the goal at

880
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: this point, and you know, maybe maybe they'll be able

881
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: to accomplish that.

882
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 8: Well.

883
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 5: Speaking of chaos and Emily, I wanted to get your

884
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 5: reaction to this comment from Trump. From Time asked whether

885
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 5: Americans should be worried about retaliatory attacks at home. Trump

886
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 5: acknowledges the possibility. I guess he says, like I said,

887
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 5: some people will die when you go to war.

888
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: Some people will die.

889
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 7: Now he's what does a cartoon make of that?

890
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 4: It does cartoon villian behavior.

891
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: And what with this ortalitory is a cartoon that some

892
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: of you may die and that's a sacrifice I'm willing to.

893
00:47:50,880 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 5: Make Yeah, m yes, we're we're doing the Shrek philosophia

894
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 5: on the world stage. But what would that mean retaliatory

895
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 5: attacks at home?

896
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 7: Well, I mean there's a serious problem of I mean,

897
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 7: what we saw in Austin doesn't appear to have been

898
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 7: connected to some broader network or anything like that yet,

899
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 7: but yeah, there could be, like intelligence, I don't know

900
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 7: to what extent we can believe it, but obviously US

901
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 7: intelligence does believe they're like quote unquote sleeper cell of

902
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 7: Iranian like agents in the country who would absolutely do

903
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 7: what we have seen terrorists do for decades, which is

904
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 7: infiltrate the country and you know, attack civilians at bars

905
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 7: wherever it's We've seen it in Europe, we've seen it here.

906
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 7: And so that the cavalier attitude that the president expressed

907
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 7: right there. If you see another Austin situation, especially one

908
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 7: that is connected to some obvious broader operation, that comes

909
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 7: back to haunt him, it's a remarkable it's not surprising,

910
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 7: but his messaging, the administration's messaging, it's completely all over

911
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 7: the place. He's saying wild stuff. Republicans in support in

912
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 7: polling have very high levels of support right now. And

913
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 7: you know, I take calls on the serious XM show

914
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 7: that I do every day, and it's it reminds me

915
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 7: a lot of Iraq and that people are saying, you

916
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 7: don't criticize troops while we are at war. So that's

917
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 7: that's kind of the sentiment that's building. And Trump probably

918
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 7: knows that. But independent voters, Democrat voters certainly, but independent

919
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 7: voters who Republicans need, they will be furious.

920
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: I mean, that doesn't fly.

921
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 7: That saying that type of stuff doesn't fly with independent voters.

922
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: That's a that's a truly crazy thing to say.

923
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 7: And what's definitely not going to fly is if you

924
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 7: attack Aron and then you see you see bursts of

925
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 7: potentially I hope not, but if there is terrorism. And

926
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 7: Trump said, well, yeah, this is what happens in war. Great,

927
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 7: that's Republicans will be answering for that for.

928
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: Ten years, right.

929
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 5: And is he almost hoping for that to happen to

930
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 5: sort of improve the war morale? I mean, this war

931
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 5: is insanely unpopular. Is this the like false flag attack

932
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 5: they're hoping jin's up support back home?

933
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think you. No. I

934
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 3: think he's very sensitive to to like American service member

935
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: casualties as well. I also would caution on the insanely unpopular.

936
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, like what are the the you know,

937
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: the polling they're.

938
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: Now showing more of a fifty to fifty split.

939
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, So we need to like understand that this

940
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: is this is the United States of America, and it's

941
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: you can get people to rally around military assaults around

942
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: the world.

943
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: So that the polls shifted because the initial polls that

944
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: came out had it like twenty five percent support support yeaheah.

945
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: I saw two polls.

946
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 7: One was a Fox News poll and one was a

947
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 7: outright Republican poll if I remember correctly, that had it

948
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 7: more like fifty to fifty, but it was like forty

949
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 7: nine forty eight.

950
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 4: It's somewhere around there.

951
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: It's it feels like a yeah, I wish it hadn't happened.

952
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: I was against it the idea of it, but now

953
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: that it's happening, I'm going to support. I'm going to

954
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: support my country. We're Alyssa Slotkin approach. We're in it.

955
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 3: We're in it. We actually have a survey out in

956
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 3: the field right now, so we'll see what it see

957
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: what ours comes back with. But so I know, I

958
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't think he wants to see that

959
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: type of things. I think that like, I think that

960
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: hurts him because I don't think this isn't two thousand

961
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: and one where I think if we start getting hit

962
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: at home I'm war American serviceman or casualties continue to climb,

963
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: then I don't think that creates a rally around the flag.

964
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: I think that creates a I didn't like this in

965
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: the first place. I was willing to give this the

966
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt. Then maybe it would turn out wonderfully

967
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: and beautifully like with Maduro, but it's not. It's awful.

968
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: The world's falling apart and people are dying, and we

969
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: need to end this. So I think it goes the

970
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: opposite direction.

971
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: It's crazy the media propaganda doing its work there to

972
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: get it to fifty to fifty. I just saw the

973
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: Fox News pall. That's wild. I also wanted to flag,

974
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: and we talked a little bit about the oil. But

975
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is really, honestly, if anything,

976
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: under sold in terms of the impact, and again insane

977
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: that the administration apparently didn't think this through in terms

978
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: of how it would impact people's daily lives. But The

979
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: Financial Times had an exclusive with the Qatari energy minister

980
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: and he warned that war in the Middle East could

981
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: quote bring down the economies of the world, predicting all

982
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: Gulf energy experts will shut down production within weeks and

983
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: drive oil to one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel.

984
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: And basically what they said is if they hadn't declared

985
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 2: force masure, which is like, you know, act of God,

986
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: yet they're going to like between the you know, risk

987
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: to the energy infrastructure, which you know Iran has been

988
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: has been hitting. They sort of deny this, but in

989
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: any case, there has been impacts on some of the

990
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: energy infrastructure in the oil fields directly, and then the

991
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: closing of the Strait of Horror moves between all of

992
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 2: these risks. Yeah, you're going to have continually spiking oil

993
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: prices and it is going already having an impact at

994
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: the pump. You can go and watch them changing the

995
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: price of gas per gallon. And of course you know

996
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: we've done next to no work to In fact, this

997
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: administration is adamantly opposed any sort of renewable energy or

998
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: electric vehicles, So you're completely screwed. If that's you know,

999
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: if those are the costs that are going into like

1000
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: literally everything and certainly into transportation, and they don't actually

1001
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: have to hit the infrastructure itself because if you can

1002
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: and people probably know this, but if you can block

1003
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: the ships, then the production the oil and the gas

1004
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: that you produce has nowhere to go.

1005
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: You can't put it anywhere. There's only so much kind

1006
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: of storage storage. Bull Ships aren't getting in, ships aren't

1007
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: getting out, and so even if you have a functional

1008
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: production facility, you have to shut it down otherwise where's

1009
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: it go. Venezuela had the same problem because they couldn't

1010
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 3: they couldn't unload all of the stuff that they had offshore.

1011
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 3: So Trump really actually genuinely helped out their industry by

1012
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 3: moving a lot of that offshore and then they could

1013
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: start producing again. But so they had to shut down,

1014
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: and it causes huge problems. Like it's not as simple

1015
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: as being like, all right, you know what, we don't

1016
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: have anywhere to put the oil or the gas, like

1017
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: shut this down. It's like it's a very expensive and

1018
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 3: complex process to safely shut it down, and then it's

1019
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: a very complex and expensive process to start it up again.

1020
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 3: And all the money that the golf countries were going

1021
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 3: to give to Barry Weiss to take over Paramount and

1022
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 3: CNN and all these other things. Uh, oh, that could

1023
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 3: be a force major. It could be like, that's that's

1024
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 3: under threat right now. Yeah, they were fifty.

1025
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: And they also some of the golf states, I think

1026
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 2: also to the Financial Times were like, yeah, they made

1027
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: all these promises to Trumpet, Oh, we're going to invest

1028
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: fifty bajillion dollars in your economy. Now they're like, yeah,

1029
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't think so, we're going to need this money. Now,

1030
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: we're going to We're clawing that back. We're going to

1031
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 2: need this to be able to you know, to try

1032
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: to beg you for more interceptors that we can buy

1033
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 2: or you know, whatever we can do to protect our people,

1034
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: and you don't continue to fund our our economies, fund

1035
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: our societies.

1036
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I don't even know that.

1037
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 7: It's had to have occurred to Jared Kushner and Steve

1038
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 7: Whitkoff that a lot of these downstream effects would indeed happen.

1039
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 7: And when you look at Trump the way he's described

1040
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 7: his own thinking and his own strategy over the last week,

1041
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're Marko Rubio or your Pete Hegseth,

1042
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 7: then you have to go out and describe or Caroline Levitt,

1043
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 7: you have to go out and describe the objectives, as

1044
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 7: Caroline put out a list of the objectives after the

1045
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 7: first few days of the war, because.

1046
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: Nobody knew what it actually was.

1047
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 7: You were getting so many different It was the nukes,

1048
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 7: it was the missiles, well, it was the Iranian it

1049
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 7: was for the freedom of the Iranian people. It just, honestly,

1050
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 7: it sounds crazy to say, but honestly looks like Trump

1051
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 7: has been freelancing the strategy and that there wasn't he

1052
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 7: just he.

1053
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 4: Said, we're going to do it. We're going to do

1054
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: it now. Time is right.

1055
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 7: We'll figure the rest of it out because I can

1056
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 7: make deals. That's my best description.

1057
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: And it's so strikingly against his own personal self interest,

1058
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: Like he is aware that he has become a billionaire

1059
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: by extracting golf wealth and taking it personally.

1060
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 7: He also is aware, yeah, the Trump golf there's the

1061
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 7: Trump organization is building a golfers ort in the UAE,

1062
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 7: isn't it of him?

1063
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: And he's also aware that the American economy is propped

1064
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: up by an AI bubble that is funded by golf investment.

1065
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: So like just from a cynical personal perspective when it

1066
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: comes to either his stewardship over the economy or his

1067
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: own personal wealth, like taking a hatchet to the to

1068
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: the leg that is on which this like rickety economy

1069
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: and his own rickety wealth is rested, is insane. Like

1070
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 3: what are you doing?

1071
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 7: But ro mentioned immigration, But yeah, again, like think it

1072
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 7: from Trump's perspective. He's doing mass deportations, he's doing blanket tariffs,

1073
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 7: and there's lots of uncertainty of the tariffs. Now you're

1074
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,959
Speaker 7: adding artificial intelligence, massive effects potentially to the job market

1075
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 7: very soon, and then war on top of all of that.

1076
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 7: Maybe the explanations he thought the war could be the

1077
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 7: catch all blame scapegoat for problems in the economy. It's

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Speaker 7: possible to me that he says, well, you know, this

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Speaker 7: is a wartime economy, so these are the problems. You

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Speaker 7: know that we have to sacrifice some war. I have

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Speaker 7: no idea if that's the thinking. But to add war

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Speaker 7: onto the like you said, Ryan, rickety shaky economy is

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Speaker 7: a move.

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Speaker 3: I know you have to jump in a second.

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Speaker 2: If you like here, I was just gonna say it's

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Speaker 2: I hate to fall back on the analysis of like, well,

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Speaker 2: he's just dumb, because that seems.

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Speaker 6: Lazy, right, It seems lazy.

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Speaker 2: It seems like underestimating, you know, your adversaries. And yet

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Speaker 2: I can't really come up with an explanation that makes

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Speaker 2: sense for why he decided to do this right now,

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Speaker 2: other than you know, not necessarily he's dumb, but that

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Speaker 2: he has this particular psychology where he doesn't believe the

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Speaker 2: generals when they're like this is a bad idea, doesn't

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Speaker 2: believe the economists when they're like this is a bad idea,

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Speaker 2: doesn't believe the political people when they're like this is

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Speaker 2: a bad idea. Is on this sugar high from Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: thinks it's gonna look cool and awesome. You know, maybe

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Speaker 2: you guys will play later the like utterly embarrassing, like

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Speaker 2: movie trailer style video that they just put out on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: So he feels like more of a man when he's

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Speaker 2: sending our sons and daughters over to like risk their

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Speaker 2: lives and some of them get killed in action, you know,

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Speaker 2: in some new war military conflict, and so whatever, you know,

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Speaker 2: he heard what he wanted to hear from Natanyahu or

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Speaker 2: who else was interested in this outcome. I think it,

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Speaker 2: I can't, I mean, and I mean you have to

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Speaker 2: factor the Epstein files into it too. Maybe that's part

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Speaker 2: of it and whatever Israel knows about him, Like, I

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Speaker 2: can never put that off the table, because we know

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Speaker 2: that's how they operate, and we also know how weird

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Speaker 2: he's been around the Epstein files. But the thing does

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Speaker 2: not add up and make sense without attributing some aspect

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Speaker 2: of it to either blackmail or his own particular bizarre

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Speaker 2: psychology or some combination of the two.

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Speaker 5: That seems to be the big question that Normany's asked

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Speaker 5: me all the time is like, why is this happening?

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Speaker 8: Why?

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Speaker 5: And I think that there's like a complex yeah, web

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Speaker 5: of mysteries there still to unpack. Crystal, thank you for

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Speaker 5: joining us on this Friday show. Enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 3: In many final words.

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Speaker 2: Nope, no final words. I'll see everybody Monday, but probably

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Speaker 2: before then if there's breaking news, so so.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you look at what Ryan said, the

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Speaker 5: polls are up for this war, and if you're watching

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