1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Shopping in a produce section in this little old white 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: gentleman has been in this late seventies, early eighties. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: You must have paid a pretty penny for him, is 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: what he said to me. 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it took everything in me not to rise 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: up in that moment. I didn't have enough Bill money, 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: I'll put it that way. You know, I didn't want 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: to be on. 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: Some of the stuff you said that prep was really funny. 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 3: I was waiting for your sense of humor. There it 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: comes right. 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: He didn't want to be on the local news as 13 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: that good black woman. You know, I built this whole persona. 14 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: I built this whole personality, and I want to stay 15 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: in that place. So I chose just to walk away. 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 3: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 17 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: I'm an entrepreneur, and I'm a football coach in inner 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: City Memphis. And somehow that last part led to a 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: film about one of our teams that want an Oscar. 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: Are things called undefeated. I believe our country's problems are 22 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 3: never going to be solved by a bunch of fancy 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: people in nice suits using big words that nobody ever 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: uses on CNN and Box, but rather by an army 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: of normal folks. That's us, just you and me saying 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 3: you know what, maybe I can help. That's what Meek 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: and Tracy Taylor, the voices you just heard, have done. 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: That white gentleman apparently didn't like that they, as black parents, 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: fostered and later adopted a white kid. This is called 30 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: transracial adoption, a term I don't even think i'd ever 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: heard before meeting these guys. And the Taylors went on 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: to adopt three children in total, two of which are 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: white and one is black, and we had a fascinating 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: conversation about transracial adoption, which you're about to hear right 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 3: after these brief messages from our general response. Meek and 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 3: Tracy Taylor, welcome to the podcast. 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 4: How are you guys? We're good, Thank great good. 38 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: So everybody, Meek is short for Tamika. So when I 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: saw this, it's spelled m I K and Tracy Taylor, 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: and I made the assumption that the female partner in 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: this union was Tracy and the male partner was. 42 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 4: M I K. 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: And I thought it was Mike, and I thought I 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: was interviewing Mike and Tracy Taylor to Mika and Tracy. 45 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: Dude Taylor. So I'm already backwards, Okay, so thanks for 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: being here. So everybody, uh, this is really a cool find. 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 4: For our show. 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: We did our live interview with Peter momood Bosi, who 49 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 3: is the single dad many of you remember if you've 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: listened to the episode not I'd highly suggest you go 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 3: back and get it because the dude is hilarious and amazing. 52 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: Peter mudu Bozzi is the single dad who's fostered forty 53 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 3: seven kids and adopted three of them and is in 54 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: the process of adopting two more. And after we did that, 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: we got tagged in this Instagram post that caught our attention. 56 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: It was from an account named Foster Wild Blackfam. 57 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: Is it dot com or something? Wo? How's it going? 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: Just foster wild blacker wack. 59 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 4: He knows nothing about Instagram, as you could probably tell you. 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I'm social media and if it wasn't for Alex, 61 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: I wouldn't know what to do with those twatter What 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: is it called? 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: Well, it's now ax but okay, oh Twitter. 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: So it was from an account named Foster Wild Black Fam, 65 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: which apparently has one hundred and forty eight thousand followers, 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: and whose description says not the average pastor's wife, mommy 67 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: shining light on transracial adoption. I have to admit a 68 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: phrase I'd never even heard of or thought of before 69 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: we got that, which is something we're absolutely about to 70 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 3: get into. The post had a picture of Peter with 71 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: our two interview attendees and it read this, well, look 72 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: who I surprised. You know him as the most famous 73 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: foster dad, but I call him my friend. I showed 74 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: up to listening on his interview. I'm so proud of you, Peter, 75 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: and the work you've done is bringing awareness to the 76 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: foster care community and representing families like ours so well, you, 77 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 3: my friend, are the blueprint. Your wisdom, your big heart 78 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: an added humor have helped so many of us on 79 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: our foster care journey. Much love to you. And it 80 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: led to our producer Alex who really he just sits 81 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: around most time actually doing something, and he looked into 82 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: these folks who call themselves foster wild Black fam who 83 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: are now sitting in front of me, Tracy and Meek Taylor. Again, 84 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: thanks so much for being here. We're gonna talk about 85 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: this story with you. Guys for November's National Adoption Month, 86 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 3: and we can't wait to get into your extraordinary adoption 87 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: story today. 88 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 4: So is that about how we found out about each other? 89 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: Yes? 90 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: And who's making these posts? Is it Tracy or Meat? 91 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: I'm the voice, you're the voice behind on the Instagram thing? 92 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 4: I got it. 93 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: I read that this is going to open your heart 94 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 3: a little show who you are, meek. I read that 95 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: when you were a kid used to see commercials and 96 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 3: it tugged at your hearts for children in Africa that 97 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: were starving and had no families. Talk about that a 98 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: little bit because it feels like it's set the up 99 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: stage for what your life is today a little. 100 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: It definitely set the stage. 101 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: It was me asking my grandfather over and over, can 102 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: we send money, you know to those kids, those orphans 103 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: in Africa? 104 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: Can we help to feed the needs for I read 105 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: that I didn't know, maybe no more than ten at 106 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: the time. 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 4: Why you want to send money to kids in Africa? 108 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: The kid you know? I want you know, we had snacks. 109 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: I had apples and oranges on the table when I 110 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: came home from school, and I wanted them to have it. 111 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 2: There were flies all. 112 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: Over these kids they were starving. This is the picture 113 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: that they portrayed. So I wanted to help. I wanted 114 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: to do my part. But my grandfather no, you know, 115 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: this is a scam. This they're not actually giving those 116 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: kids money. So his no was my determination. His no 117 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: is what set in my heart. When I'm able to, 118 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to do something. 119 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so you get kids. Tell me about 120 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: this first kid. Gaff this this child of yours. 121 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: You want Taylor. 122 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: You're talking to Taylor, our biological or. 123 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: You're about your first daughter. 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: Taylor. 125 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 4: Let's see how old are you when you have your 126 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 4: first show. 127 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: We were nineteen nineteen nineteen. 128 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 5: Got married, got married at nineteen. No, we got married 129 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 5: at nineteen. First child was at twenty. 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 131 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: We were still young, very young. Yeah, still in the 132 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: honeymoon stages of marriage. And here comes Taylor and. 133 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: A bunch of a honeymoon didn't last long, did. 134 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Not last long. But didn't know at the time that 135 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: she had down syndrome. You know, here we are two 136 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: young people and having no clue as. 137 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: To what we're doing, and twenty year olds at least 138 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: when I we were young too, twenty year olds. 139 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: I got no business with the baby. At all anyway, 140 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 4: Now you do no Down syndrome back, Yes, yes, that's tough. 141 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: Luckily, one day I was in the grocery store. I 142 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: ran into this lady and she walks up to me 143 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: and she says, it's Down syndrome, right, And I've looked 144 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: at her and I no, she doesn't. 145 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: I was in denial. Really for two years. I was 146 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: in denial. 147 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: The doctors didn't take. 148 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: They mentioned it, and I just brushed it off. 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, two years. I was in denial because I 150 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: was young. You know, this only happened to older white 151 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: people with kids, you know, somebody over forty. I was 152 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: only twenty. 153 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: That's just my reality, is what I read. 154 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: Now, that's interesting. I don't know. This is Down syndrome 155 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: a heavy white thing. 156 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: It is not. No, it's a chronological thing. 157 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: Okay. So but. 158 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't mis educated. I didn't know. I didn't know. 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: So funny she does. 160 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: It, She's fine, there's nothing wrong with her. So I 161 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: brushed it off. 162 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: But luckily the lady, her name is Martine Hopson. She 163 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: gave me her phone number and I ended up reaching 164 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: out to her. Didn't know at the time that she 165 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: was over the down Syndrome Association here in the Mid 166 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: South connected with Martine and she helped me get Taylor 167 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: align with all the services that she needed. And now 168 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,359 Speaker 1: Taylor's what twenty seven years old, She's thriving, she graduated 169 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: from high school, she worked at Firehouse subs. 170 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: She's doing really really well. 171 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 172 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 5: I hadn't had any major health issues or anything like 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 5: a lot of people with Down syndrome would have. 174 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so a blessing, Yeah, absolutely, all right. 175 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: So here you are, young, couple, married, where you're from, 176 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: doing your thing. You're working hard, falling right into your 177 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: dad's footsteps. And by the way, when you talked about 178 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 3: your dad, the eyes and facial expression showed just how 179 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: much reverence you have for that man. It's so clear, 180 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: and it looks like you've fallen right in because you 181 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: want to be what. 182 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 5: He was exactly, exactly, very special person to me. So 183 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 5: definitely wouldn't It's those footsteps that I don't mind traveling, 184 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 5: you know. And so but as far as Taylor, I 185 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 5: remember when we came home, she went to the doctor 186 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 5: and that did her cat scan, and when we got 187 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: the photo back, I remember looking at Taylor on that 188 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 5: on that what. 189 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 4: Is it called the sonogram. 190 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 5: Yes, on the sonogram, and I could see the side 191 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 5: of her face, and I remember saying to myself, I 192 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: never said. 193 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: To my wife that it looked like she has Down syndrome. 194 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 5: Because of the bridge. No, I don't know if it 195 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 5: was me, if it was God. You know, you know, 196 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 5: and flesh and blood has not revealed unto you, you know, 197 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 5: but you know your God, which is in heaven. 198 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: So I believe maybe that God was revealing. 199 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 5: Something to me at that time in preparation for what 200 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 5: was to come. Even though after she got here, we 201 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 5: both went in denial because I remember being in home 202 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 5: depot with her at one time and she was sitting 203 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 5: in the in the basket and a lady came up 204 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 5: to me and she said, oh, she has Down syndrome. 205 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 5: You know, those are very special, special people. And I 206 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 5: immediately said, no, she doesn't. You know, just in denial again, young, 207 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 5: Can I ask you something? Was it that you I 208 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 5: got a phrase this right? 209 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: Were you in denial because you were afraid it said 210 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: something about you. 211 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: For me, it wasn't that it said something about me. 212 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: It's just that I'm too young. 213 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: Kids, you know, twenty year olds don't have babies with 214 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: Down syndrome. 215 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen. 216 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: Everything I remember reading I read in the fourth grade. 217 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: I remember being in Miss Morris classroom in Hamilton Elementary 218 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: and reading about Down syndrome and it said you had 219 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: to be forty seven years old or older. And that's 220 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: stuck in my head. It happened, Yeah, it happened old, 221 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: but when I was old as all young, so not 222 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: at all. 223 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: They got it wrong this time. 224 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. So it was just like this can't beamed us. 225 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 226 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: So it was more incredulity, yes, than anything. 227 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 4: Right, no way this could be happening. And you're proud 228 00:11:59,160 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 4: of your baby. 229 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 5: Right, we got right, you know, we did. We did 230 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 5: everything the right way. You know, we felt we. 231 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 4: We we we We. 232 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 5: Didn't have a child until after we were married. You know, 233 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 5: all these things that you say that you should do 234 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 5: in life, you know, doing things the right way. 235 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 4: Two. To be told that you have a child with. 236 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: Down syndrome, with this disability, you know that you're gonna 237 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 5: have to raise being so young and me, I'm thinking, hey, 238 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be able to have a child, gonna grow up, 239 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 5: to be able to run around with them and do 240 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: all of these fun things with them, and now you 241 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 5: hit with this hammer that says, hey, there's you're gonna 242 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 5: have to make some adjustments to that, you know, and 243 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 5: you're thinking, and you know. Of course, once we got her, 244 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 5: once she came, we realized it wasn't much different. There 245 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: was a little bit more work involved, but it wasn't 246 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 5: much different as far as like a child as a child, 247 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 5: you know. 248 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 4: Uh, you know. 249 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 5: So once we got to that point in understanding that hey, 250 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 5: this this was more of a task given to us 251 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 5: from God more so then it was, you know, detriment 252 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 5: to our lives, I think we were able to embrace 253 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 5: it and get to the point where, okay, there are 254 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 5: some things that she need and some things that we 255 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 5: need to do in order to get her to where 256 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 5: she needs to be, you know, in her life. 257 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: You know. 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My wife 265 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: is fifty four in a. 266 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: Week and about a week. 267 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she has two siblings, a sister that is 268 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: fourteen years younger and a brother that is ten or 269 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: nine years younger. And Ben, my brother in law, is 270 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: special needs. And I met Lisa when Ben was seven 271 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: or eight, so that's now he's in his forties, so 272 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: I've grown up with Ben. 273 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: Two. 274 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: I was your age when you had your child when 275 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: I met Lisa. So and I will just say this, 276 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: I absolutely believe parents of special needs kids the Lord 277 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: gives those kids to very special people, because I've watched 278 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: Gary and Peggy love and work and toe the line 279 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: more than most parents of her dream of towing the 280 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: line and fight for their child. And at any rate, 281 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: I just want to tell you you can. You can 282 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: see the love you talk about your child with in 283 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: your eyes and hearing your voices, and I know the 284 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: work because I've been there. And but in the same respect, 285 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: you don't want to be treated or thought of any 286 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: differently your parents that you love, and you want your 287 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: everybody understanding your daughter has a soul and as a 288 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: human being and has all of the things inside of 289 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: her that makes every other person. 290 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: Tek so exactly, I get it. 291 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 5: And that's one of the things that we realized very 292 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 5: quickly that we had to fight for, you know, very 293 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 5: quickly realized we had to fight for that, because yeah, 294 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 5: that's a whole that we can we can talk another 295 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 5: two hours about that, but yeah, but one of the 296 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 5: reasons why she became a stay at home mom was 297 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 5: because that task, you know, had become so daunting, trying 298 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 5: to work and fight for your child at the same time. 299 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 5: It just wasn't working, you know, because you got people 300 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 5: that wanted to put your child in a box and 301 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 5: tell you what your child couldn't do or what your 302 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 5: child wouldn't be able to do, And so we had 303 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 5: to be on the front line, you know. 304 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: And and compliments to her. She was on the. 305 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: Front line, and she fought for our daughter to get 306 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 5: everything that she needed in order for her to be 307 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 5: educated the way any typical. 308 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 4: Child in this world would be educated. 309 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: Of course, it took a little bit more work on 310 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 5: our part, and it took more work, you know, on 311 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 5: the parts of the teachers, which is probably the reason 312 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 5: why there was a pushback, you know, not wanting to 313 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 5: dig deep into working harder and educating a child with 314 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 5: Down syndrome. 315 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 4: A child, any child with special needs. 316 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 5: But I thank God for my wife being and thank 317 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 5: God for us being able, you know, in a time 318 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 5: where it wasn't easy to live off of one income, 319 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 5: you know, but God being provided that he is allowed 320 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 5: my wife to be able to take off of work 321 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 5: for what a good twelve thirteen years, you know, to 322 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 5: be on the front line, you know, to fight for 323 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: our child with Down syndrome. So that was a blessing altogether. 324 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 5: And this is not even what story is about now. 325 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 5: It's just setting up who y'all are, because your. 326 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: Thing is not called black folks with down child. 327 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: It's called foster wild black family. 328 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 6: So there you are, parents fighting, living at home, living 329 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 6: the dream, and then you want to have another child 330 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 6: and you're told you can't. 331 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, how old were you when that news broke? 332 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, we were still young. 333 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 5: I think we we decided for a while, because of 334 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 5: our child with Down syndrome, that we were going to 335 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 5: hold off on trying to conceive again. Uh So it 336 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 5: was probably about ten years after we wanted to make 337 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 5: sure that she was, you know, good and established to 338 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 5: the point where we could hand. 339 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 4: Makes sense. 340 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 5: So now you're about thirty, right exactly, what about thirty 341 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: and well within child bearing age, and you said, let's 342 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 5: have a kid, let's have another child, let's try to 343 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 5: have a boy. 344 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: Yeah uhh yeah, yeah, that just kind of the Lord 345 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 3: was that out there. He wants to but anyway, and 346 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: then you're told you can't. Yes, how that hits you? 347 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: It was? It was very hard for a while. It 348 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: was hard, but we. 349 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: Knew, we knew that there was a need in our community. 350 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: We knew that even if we couldn't, it wasn't our 351 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: plan B. Adoption of Falster Care wasn't our plan B. 352 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: It was our Also, we're going to do this anyway, 353 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: you know really yeah. 354 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, We're going to. 355 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: Do this anyway. 356 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: So it's just split up the process. You know, we 357 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: can't do this, so we're going to go ahead and 358 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: take care of what needs to be taken care of, 359 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: fill out all the paperwork and uh and move forward. 360 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: So that's what we did. 361 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: We Taylor graduated high school and I want to say 362 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: not even six months. 363 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: After that, no, because David was already in the home. 364 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: She graduated. Ye, so the timing line right up, line 365 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 2: right up. It was perfect. 366 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: So tell me about as a foster parent. The first placement. 367 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: That was David, our first placement. Filled out the paperwork. 368 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 4: Like I said, we. 369 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: Put down the age group. 370 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: We wanted an infant up to or an infant up 371 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: to the age of six, no child than six cent 372 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: just wanted to be able to have it in that 373 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: age group. Working still kind of mold and you know, 374 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: shape a child. So I got a call for a 375 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: little boy and case that. 376 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 6: Actually, when you're filling out the paperwork, they asked if 377 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 6: you had a preference about race. 378 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 2: Did not check any box, just wanted a child. 379 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 4: Did you accidentally leave that all or you didn't care. 380 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: I didn't mark the box because I didn't care. We 381 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: didn't care, didn't care at all. 382 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: That was never an issue with us. Did it dawn 383 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 4: on you? 384 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: And that's when you're filling out a bunch of paperwork 385 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: and going to classes. I don't know, I've not done it, 386 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: but I'm putting myself in your shoes. You're filling out 387 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: the paperwork, you're going through this classes, you're having probably 388 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 3: really serious talks about I mean, you roll on the 389 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: dice a little bit on what type of human being 390 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: might show up in your life. So you got to 391 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 3: be having real conversations pillar talks, probably pretty serious on this. 392 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: We had talks. I don't think we had one talk 393 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: about race. 394 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think. I'm not talking about race. 395 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 4: I'm talking about just. 396 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: Foster care and adoption in general. 397 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 4: Yes, So when that box comes up, did you pay it? 398 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: No? 399 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 4: Nevermind? Or did you even think about it? 400 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 5: No? 401 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: Never mind? 402 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 4: It was it was nothing to think about. 403 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 5: I mean, it was a I mean, it was a 404 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 5: child that was in need, you know, it was. 405 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: So this is the question I was thinking about on 406 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: the road over here. Was there a little bit of 407 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: naivete there? 408 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: No? 409 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: I worked in child care for before this or what 410 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: ten plus years. My classrooms were diverse. I've taken care 411 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: of everybody's child, you know, taken care of the little 412 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: Muslim child, taking care of the little black child, taking 413 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: care of the little Asian child. 414 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: So this was. 415 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: Just my motherly instinct. There was no box. It was 416 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: a child that needed a home, that needed a safe place. 417 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just it. That was just it says 418 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: a lot about you. Okay, So didn't you get a call. 419 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: We get a call and it's for a little six 420 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: month old, eight month old baby boy and uh the 421 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: case named David. Caseworker described him as a little blue eyed, 422 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: brunette baby boy. I said, okay, give me a minute, 423 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: let me call my husband and see if we're ready, 424 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: and he said, okay. They brought him to the house 425 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: and it was the cutest little chunky. 426 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: Well, when you heard blue eyed, brown haired baby boy, 427 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: you knew that was a white kid. 428 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. 429 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: I just didn't know that they were in the system 430 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: because I didn't know that there were little white kids 431 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: in the system, not as many. 432 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: You know, the pickings, I didn't I had to say pickings. 433 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: But for the most part, we thought that they were 434 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: mostly African American children in the system or Latino children 435 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: in the system, because that's what it has been portrayed, 436 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: have been shown shown to us. But I was glad, 437 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's more white kids in the systems of color. 438 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know the stats. 439 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 3: Now it's it's one of them. I mean, hell, we're 440 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 3: talking about so I'm just gonna as a white person. 441 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: It's one of the things that bothers me that people 442 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 3: don't understand there are more white kids in the system 443 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 3: than there are kids of color, exactly, And it's it 444 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 3: would be obvious because there's more white people in the 445 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 3: country than there are people of color, why wouldn't there 446 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: be more kids the Unfortunately, the African American community as 447 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 3: a percentage has more kids on the foster care system, 448 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: but as a total number, there are more white kids. 449 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 4: In the false system than there are. 450 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: And I looked it up the ministers right now. 451 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it is. 452 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: But you're right, it's something we don't even think about 453 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: and make these societal preconceived assumptions that are just inaccurate 454 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: because of the narratives we're fed. 455 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: Right, m We'll be right back. 456 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 3: So David with his blue eyes and brown hair and 457 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: what'd you say, chunky. 458 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 2: Cheeks, the chunkiest cheeks you could see. 459 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the cutest little kid ever, a sweetest boy came 460 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: into her home. And I have a picture on my 461 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Instagram page and my husband's looking at him like Wow, 462 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: he's in total shock. But it's not so much as race. 463 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: He's in shock that someone would let this beautiful baby 464 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: boy come into the system. You know, how could you 465 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: let him down? 466 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? 467 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think for me, you know, when 468 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 5: she called and and told me, she said, uh, she said, 469 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 5: he's he has brown hair. He's a little boy has 470 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 5: brown hair. Believe I believe the statement she made. But 471 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 5: he's white, you know, And uh, I said, Okay, you know, 472 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 5: it was no big deal. 473 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 4: You know, I get. 474 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 5: I don't know if she thought it was going to 475 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 5: be some pushback because of that from me, but you know, 476 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 5: like I said, it was, it was no big deal, 477 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 5: you know, dealing with the fact that he was white. 478 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 4: You know, he was a child that needed. 479 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 5: A home, that needed a home like the home that 480 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 5: I had that I grew up in, you know. And 481 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 5: that's one of the things that that motivated me to 482 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 5: be open about, you know, adopting, you know, is that, hey, 483 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 5: I want to be able to provide a home for 484 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 5: a child that has both parents in it, you know. 485 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 5: And I know that a home like that, not that 486 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 5: a child with a single parent can't have a strong home, 487 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 5: but I do know from my experience that a home 488 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 5: that has two parents in it, that has a mother 489 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 5: and a father that's handling their business the way they should, 490 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 5: that that child has a better opportunity to be successful 491 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 5: in life than you know, to a. 492 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: God who grew up my mom almost mavering divorced five times. 493 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: You're talking to a guy whose dad left me his 494 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: four and I realize I beat the numbers. Yeah, and 495 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: that's just people may cringe, or you know, our twenty 496 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: twenty five Saudi may want to say that one parent's 497 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: just as good as two. Well, that's horse crap. It's 498 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: just not true. It's just fasted when they're not that 499 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: people can't come out of that. Fine, you did, oh yeah, 500 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: but I did. I mean, my wife would argue I 501 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: kind of did, but I did. Okay, But the point 502 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: is you're right, and so that's what you want to provide. 503 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 4: So here's David. 504 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: Yes, brown haired, blue eyes, chunky cheeks. But at this 505 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: point you're fostering foster. 506 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 4: David was the intent to adopt. 507 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: The goals were set for the bio parents and the 508 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: biological parents to possibly regain if there were to work 509 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: the case, the goals set by the judge, and he 510 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: will go back. However that wasn't the case. 511 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: Let let's for all our listeners who don't really understand 512 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: the foster thing, and really I didn't until we've interviewed 513 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: a few folks and then of course Peter. But the 514 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: idea of have foster care is for you to care 515 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: and love for this child while the biological family gets 516 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: their life together in order to rejoin that. 517 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: Child the chaological family always. 518 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: But in the event their family doesn't get together or 519 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 3: wants to give up their rights, then you have an 520 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 3: option to adopt. That's how our system sounds good on paper. 521 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: Seems to be a little broken, but that's but that's 522 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 3: that's what y'all were in for. Yeah, how in the 523 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: world you care for and love on a child and 524 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 3: create these connections with this child knowing you may have 525 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 3: to give that child back up. 526 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 4: That has to be hard. 527 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: It's hard, however, you know that it's what's best. You 528 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: know you always want to go reunification if the parents 529 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: have made a turnaround, you know you want, you know, reunification, 530 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: and why not. 531 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: If you built reunification that's and why not. 532 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: If you've built a relationship with that biological parents, with 533 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: that family, you can also still become a part. 534 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 4: Of you build a relationship with the biological family toast. 535 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 2: Yes, we still have a connection. 536 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: We still have a connection with birth with all of 537 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: our so you know, yes, yes, yes, and it's just 538 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: an extension of family. And what's how many you know, 539 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: what's wrong with the child having a lot. 540 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: Of people to love them. 541 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 4: But in David's case, that wasn't in the cards. 542 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: It was it was it wasn't the cards. We always 543 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: Tennessee has close adoptions. However, we extended that invitation. We 544 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: wanted him to know his family. We wanted him to 545 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: as long as you're in a good place, it's fine. 546 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: Communication is open, and we wanted that for our boys. 547 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, how long can we hide the fact that 548 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: we're not your biological parents, you know, I mean up 549 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: until he learns his colors? 550 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 5: Right? 551 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, cassh Is, how long do you think 552 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 3: they could hide that? 553 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: So why not? 554 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? So tell me about the journey with David. Well, 555 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 4: I want I want to say this first, okay, h 556 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: when you approach. 557 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 5: Adoption foster as we should as a ministry, because Bible 558 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 5: said true religion is that you take care of the 559 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 5: orphans and the widows, you know, and so when when 560 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 5: you approach it like so, I just think it makes 561 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 5: it a lot easier, you know, to deal with the 562 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 5: things that come along with it because you understand what 563 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 5: your role is, what your purpose is in this situation. 564 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 4: Not a nice thing to do, it's a requirement of 565 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 4: our faiths. 566 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 5: Exactly exactly and so and so to think sometimes God 567 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 5: give us task that may not be easy, but it's 568 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 5: our task, it's our purpose. Me as a pastor is 569 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 5: not easy to pastor, you know, but it's the purpose 570 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 5: that God has given me. And so I have to 571 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 5: accept it and I have to embrace it and whatever 572 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 5: comes along with it. 573 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 4: I have to be willing to accept that, you know. 574 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 5: And so for that, you know, when you say was 575 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 5: it hard, you know, knowing that you there's a possibility 576 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: you may just have this child, you know, for a 577 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 5: period of time and you have to you know, separate 578 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 5: yourselves from them or whatnot. Yeah, that's always on the 579 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 5: human side, but the spiritual side or the ministry side 580 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 5: of it, we have to understand that, hey, we're in 581 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 5: this child's life for a reason, and that may be 582 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 5: for season. We have to make sure that we give 583 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 5: that child everything that they possibly wouldn't get, you know, 584 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 5: before they exit this home. And one of the greatest 585 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 5: things that you can give any child is a relationship. 586 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 5: You can help them to a relationship with Christ, you know. 587 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 5: And so I even at eight months old, introducing that 588 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 5: child to things like church, seeing people together in Bible study, community, 589 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 5: a community, you know that it loves them regardless of 590 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 5: their color, that race, you know, whether what their background is. 591 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 5: I think that is more important, you know, than anything 592 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 5: that we could have ever done, you know, for any 593 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 5: of our children, you know, whether they wind up staying 594 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 5: with us or whether they were to go and be 595 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 5: with their bios because guess what if they leave us 596 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 5: with the knowledge of the Lord. And I hate for 597 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 5: this to go into well, I don't hate for it 598 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 5: to go into and diminisure because that's what I am. 599 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 5: That's who I am, and so I approach it like 600 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 5: so if they were to leave our home, then maybe 601 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 5: they'll be the ones to help their family members who 602 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 5: maybe maybe they don't have. 603 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 4: The relationship with God as they should. 604 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 5: They could take that to their bio families, you know, 605 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 5: and help save their bio families. So that's always the approach. 606 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 5: Ministry is always the approach for us, you know, when 607 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 5: it comes to anything that we try to do, you know, So. 608 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: That is selfless, that is beautiful. It still has to 609 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: be ringing in the back of your very human, failed 610 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 3: mind and heart tough. You can't tell me it's not 611 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: a little tough thinking you may lose this being that 612 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: you love. 613 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: I will tell you that I would going to court 614 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: with anxiety, would heart path the human side of me. Yes, 615 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: we knew that there was a chance that he could 616 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: go back. I waited in the cheers and the cold 617 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: heart seats in the courtroom, waiting and looking around my 618 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: shoulder to see who was going to show up for 619 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: this kid. Were his parents going to actually come to 620 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: court for him that day? Was this the day that 621 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: he may not come back with us? Those are real feelings, 622 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: But we knew that if he were to go back 623 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: home to his parents, We've given him us. We've given 624 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: him a foundation, we've given him Christ, We've given him 625 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: love and stability. And we knew and we hoped that 626 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: whatever judge or whoever was in a position to change 627 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: that would see what was best for David, what was 628 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: best for each one of our kids. So we hung 629 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: on to hope in those moments, is what we did. 630 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: And it turned out that in his case, that he 631 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 2: was to come home to us, he was, he was 632 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: able to be adopted. 633 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 4: How old was he when he became your son? 634 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: He'd been with us since he was eight months. He 635 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: was two and a half. It was a long journey. 636 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: Okay, So let's get into some of what Peter talked 637 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 3: about that I think is really germane to the story 638 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 3: before we go to child number two, because y'all. 639 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: Crazy, And that's what a lot of people say. 640 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: Because y'all are nuts, not your minds. I want to 641 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: be delicate, but I want to be real. So I'm 642 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: not the most delicate human being as a lumberman and 643 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: a football coach and got kind of crashed into stuff, 644 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 3: So I will try real hard. 645 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 4: Go ahead. 646 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: In the South, Well, there was a movie about it 647 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 3: called The Help. 648 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 4: Y'all ever seen that movie? 649 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: Yes, it was based in Jacksonissippi, actually written and directed 650 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: by a guy I went on this with I believe 651 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 3: it or not. And the movie did really well. And 652 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: it was, for lack of better terms, an expiration of 653 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: the fifties, sixties and seventies in Jackson, Mississippi, of white, 654 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 3: wealthy families having black domestics in the house. And what 655 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: I thought was so poignant about The Help is it 656 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 3: dove into how the black domestics ended up almost raising 657 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 3: the white children from infancy into adolescence because as many 658 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 3: of the white parents were out doing their social things, 659 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: that domestics would cook and clean but also care for 660 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 3: the children. Yes, and for those outside of the South 661 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 3: they think that that is a fictitious, overblown thing. 662 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 4: I have news for you. 663 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 3: In the South, that is his had been a reality 664 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 3: for many, many, many decades. So I think that's up 665 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 3: a little bit of a story because it wasn't just Jacksonsissippi. 666 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 3: Jackson may have been the setting for that particular show, 667 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: but you can go Jackson, Montgomery, Mobile, Memphis, New Orleans, Birmingham, 668 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 3: Little Rock, Atlanta, and just keep on going to the South. 669 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 3: That's just the reality. Some would say that mentality is 670 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: a little bit of a holdover, trying to be delicate, 671 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 3: but back during slavery, there were black folks that were 672 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 3: called house slaves that would do the same thing that 673 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 3: were picked among the slaves as maybe the cleaner or 674 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 3: more agreeable slaves, and then they would do the domestic 675 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 3: work in the house, and then they were also very involved. 676 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 4: With the children. 677 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: And then after slavery and chaircropping and all of that, 678 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 3: it just became a occupation. 679 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 4: By a lot of black folks. Did I do that? 680 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think you did it as do you want. 681 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 4: To add to that before we go forward. 682 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. I'm not lost on our history. 683 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: I'm not lost all. 684 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 4: I'm sure you're not. 685 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 3: But you've got to remember people in Indiana and Michigan 686 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: and Kansas are listening to us that think those movies 687 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: are overblown, fictitional representations. And I'm just trying to bring 688 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 3: everybody up to where you and I as others are 689 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 3: by no means and trying to suggest these things. 690 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: No, I've been called. 691 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 4: The do go there yet? Okay, don't go there yet. 692 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 3: I'm trying to set the stage and I'm just asking 693 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 3: you're fine in your viewpoint, its accurate from a black perspective. 694 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 3: I want to hear if I'm crazy about what I'm saying. 695 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: Well, this is the reality of what went on during 696 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: those times. This is how my grandmother was a house 697 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: domesticated worker, a maid. Yes, because of her skin color. 698 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: You know, she was light enough to go in the 699 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: house and to fold the sheets into uh layer, skin 700 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: light and like complexion. 701 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: The South, Yeah, light skinned, Yes, she was. 702 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: Light scanned enough to work in the kitchen in the house. 703 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 4: Quote agreeable, yes, yes, so. 704 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: I understand it all and I hope that you're yours 705 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: your listeners, well yeah as well. 706 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost uncomf we'll to talk about, but it's real. 707 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 2: Oh, it's the truth. 708 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 5: It's the cold hard facts. It is about the South 709 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 5: and you know what some of our ancestors had to 710 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 5: deal with. 711 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: And that concludes part one of our conversation with Meek 712 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 3: and Tracy Taylor, and you do not want to miss 713 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 3: part two. It's now available to listen to. Together. Guys, we 714 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 3: can change this country, but it starts with you. I'll 715 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 3: see in part two