Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh that's just you know, I
Speaker 1: am all in with Scott Patterson and I Hurt Radio podcast. Everybody,
Speaker 1: Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. Happy New Year,
Speaker 1: Happy me a year, guys, it's three unbelievable. I'm trapped
Speaker 1: in the mountains man, I can't wait. You look miserable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look he's like glowing guys. Literally you'll you'll see it
Speaker 1: if you look on Instagram. But Scott's background is snow mountains.
Speaker 1: Any there's like a mansion behind you a bridge, I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's like a bridge and then it looks
Speaker 1: like a mansion. Listen, you know, you know we've been
Speaker 1: coming here for twenty two years and uh you know
Speaker 1: we we love it and it's it's hard every single year.
Speaker 1: You can't see it like we can. There's literally, Daniel,
Speaker 1: can you see that's like a giant, beautiful mountain. It's
Speaker 1: gorgeous snow captain mountain. Like literally there is, Scott. We
Speaker 1: need to make this this podcast like number one this
Speaker 1: whole year so we can just buy a house out there. Yes,
Speaker 1: we need it. We need an eyeball in. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: our winter, it's where we winter. And then we can
Speaker 1: do our celebrity ski competitions. Oh yeah, actually that's a
Speaker 1: rat idea for charity. And we can do all that.
Speaker 1: I know, all these people here, we can get it together.
Speaker 1: It'll be fun. Have you always been a skier? Sorry
Speaker 1: to digress, we'll get to the end. Since I was
Speaker 1: seven years old, whoa is your? Is that your main
Speaker 1: favorite sport other than baseball? Obviously based I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't care for baseball anymore, which is super weird because
Speaker 1: you're appropris get it though, because like baseball was a job.
Speaker 1: Skiing's fun. You know. I always forget that you were
Speaker 1: a professional baseball player, and I keep trying to forget,
Speaker 1: keep reminding me that was a great experience. I I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to belive it. It It was a great experience.
Speaker 1: It taught me how to win. It taught me how
Speaker 1: to succeed. It really discipline, absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: you can't mess around, you know, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it It's set me on a better course
Speaker 1: for my life. So I'm very grateful for that experience.
Speaker 1: Looking back on seven years of frustration, not not all frustration,
Speaker 1: but the last two were very frustrating. Because I wasn't
Speaker 1: getting to wear I thought I deserved to be. But
Speaker 1: that's life, you know, and uh um that was another lesson.
Speaker 1: So it was. It was just chocked full of lessons
Speaker 1: throughout those entire seven years that later in my life,
Speaker 1: you know, helped me to become successful in other fields. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a generalization, but I would say, like, rarely when
Speaker 1: you like an athlete, are you ever like, hey, work
Speaker 1: harder to the athlete? They always are like, oh I
Speaker 1: can do that, I'll do that. Yep, I'll be there.
Speaker 1: I'm always They're always on time, They're always. They're just
Speaker 1: very especially you can't let your the rest of your
Speaker 1: came down. I gotta show up, right, team, play team,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, right, don't take any of the credit.
Speaker 1: It's not about you, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It's important. It's important stuff, you know, traditional American values.
Speaker 1: Stuffed down my throat. Yeah, well, not to have an
Speaker 1: abrupt conversation change, But this episode was out of control.
Speaker 1: What is going on with season four? Amazing and it sweeps.
Speaker 1: Remember these are this is the biggest of the season.
Speaker 1: I was. It was staggering. It was a staggeringly great episode.
Speaker 1: It was just I mean I watched it on my phone.
Speaker 1: I didn't bring my computer with me. I watched it
Speaker 1: on my phone and it was just bigger than life. Ye. Well,
Speaker 1: so I have a weird story. I there was a
Speaker 1: chance I wasn't going to be here today because I
Speaker 1: had something else at the same time as we're recording it.
Speaker 1: So Danielle changed the schedule. But I wanted to watch
Speaker 1: it just to be sure, just in case it worked out.
Speaker 1: So last night, at midnight, I watched the episode. I
Speaker 1: didn't take notes or anything, though, so I just watched it. Well.
Speaker 1: Then this morning, at like seven am, I get the
Speaker 1: text that okay, we worked it out, you can be on.
Speaker 1: I watched it literally again. It was like a fresh episode,
Speaker 1: like you can you could literally watch it hit start again,
Speaker 1: and I think it would be just is enjoyable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no question. I mean it's it was just firing on
Speaker 1: all cylinders, all characters, all great, just coming at you,
Speaker 1: coming at you, coming at you. Um, you couldn't. I
Speaker 1: mean every time you started to laugh, you have to
Speaker 1: stop to listen to another line because it was going
Speaker 1: to be funny. It was, and that's why people watch
Speaker 1: it so many times, because it's like I missed that joke.
Speaker 1: I missed, you know what, I was doing a lot.
Speaker 1: I was hitting my reverse ten second thing on my
Speaker 1: phone just to hear the joke again because I missed
Speaker 1: a little bit of it. The banter is so fast,
Speaker 1: and you miss a lot of t JS great lines
Speaker 1: like he is really because he's dry and so the
Speaker 1: scenes with you and him were so amazing. His father's
Speaker 1: son to the max. I mean you could see all
Speaker 1: that that genius tone oh so true, just even the
Speaker 1: way he walked and the way he just leaned on
Speaker 1: an elbow on the counter and looked up at bobbed
Speaker 1: his head. I mean it was just like it was
Speaker 1: so dom DeLuise, totally his son, and what a great performance.
Speaker 1: I just just loved it and the timing and I
Speaker 1: you know, I took a hit in this episode. I
Speaker 1: got called a name. Right. Sounds like we're going to
Speaker 1: get so much to get into, but it's like, yeah, Danielle,
Speaker 1: take it away. Just this this is going to be
Speaker 1: the greatest synopsis of all time. Pressure Okay, Season four,
Speaker 1: episode thirteen, Nakamadhi is where they found Agnostic Gospel. Air
Speaker 1: date February tenth, two thousand four, Jess is still in
Speaker 1: town and keeps running away from Rory, but then he
Speaker 1: finally says how he really feels that was I know,
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. Plus he makes Luke feel awful
Speaker 1: about wanting to fix everything. Liz brings her boyfriend t
Speaker 1: J to town and brings hope to Luke. Then maybe
Speaker 1: she will be okay. Lori, La and Jason pretend to
Speaker 1: be together at the benefit per Emily's request. So much
Speaker 1: is so much, so much. It's just it's so much
Speaker 1: going on. So before we go and order with Scott,
Speaker 1: what's your overall on this episode? Just like how it
Speaker 1: made you feel? The performances, the story all a plus,
Speaker 1: all great? Um, you know, it flowed beautifully. It it
Speaker 1: had this pace that it kept. Um. It was very
Speaker 1: spirited pace um, which I like. Uh, it never really
Speaker 1: slowed down, but it never felt rushed. It just felt
Speaker 1: kind of exciting and fun. It was like ten mini
Speaker 1: plays each scene. I was like, whoa. I just think
Speaker 1: what Amy's doing and what Amy and Dan are doing
Speaker 1: is now they have three seasons, three plus seasons to
Speaker 1: draw from, so they're using it at their at their
Speaker 1: measure and making this show and elevating this season. I
Speaker 1: mean this season. You know, Season four couldn't be season
Speaker 1: four without the first three seasons. And you know all
Speaker 1: of these not only are they doing all the great
Speaker 1: pop culture references, but they're doing the referencing the first
Speaker 1: three seasons and it's paying off every single line. So
Speaker 1: I've never seen a show that's so full and so
Speaker 1: packed and so dense. The only other show like that
Speaker 1: to me is The West Wing. It's the only other
Speaker 1: one where I'm like, wow, it's just so dense. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, there there are some right there are
Speaker 1: there are some. I'm getting little territorial right now. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't say one was better. I just said it's
Speaker 1: a remind me of But I even thought this Kirk
Speaker 1: in this one is Kirk at his best, because it's
Speaker 1: funny and kirkish without ever like going that's not No
Speaker 1: one's doing that, do you know what I mean? Everyone
Speaker 1: can use a couple of more waffles over there in
Speaker 1: the kitchen ohafles next to the Melton living that vacation life.
Speaker 1: What's okay? I had two very early Nick and I
Speaker 1: got up early and had waffles at like seven o'clock.
Speaker 1: But now I'm famished. I need a couple of more
Speaker 1: waffles anyway. Sorry, Yes, I want to go on record
Speaker 1: to say that I take back a lot that I
Speaker 1: said last episode when I was so over Jess, like
Speaker 1: I was so just done with him, and this episode
Speaker 1: I just got hooked right back in. Yeah he looked
Speaker 1: good too. He's so cool good even in that JELOPI
Speaker 1: of a car. I'm like, you're a bib that kids
Speaker 1: a movie star totally. Yeah, he's a movie star. You
Speaker 1: cannot not look at him. Yeah, I mean it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I know he's done some films, um, but
Speaker 1: I think he's yet to do. You know, he's there's
Speaker 1: a movie career out there for him. Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1: He Yeah, he hasn't had his like where he just
Speaker 1: suddenly becomes a movie star. But in the same breath,
Speaker 1: I don't want just two hours of him. I want
Speaker 1: like a whole year, you know, Like I like him
Speaker 1: being in a series. But to me, I think, like, okay,
Speaker 1: so Ryan Gossling, Like why Milow can be Ryan Gossling
Speaker 1: to me, Like Ryan Gosling, You're like he's a movie star,
Speaker 1: Like that's Milo right, right? No, I I think he's
Speaker 1: it's still possible for him. I think totally. He's just
Speaker 1: so solid, you know. So I actually like the previously
Speaker 1: you know, when they're like previously, because I think it
Speaker 1: kind of just reminds you we're going to get some
Speaker 1: Jess in this episode. We're gonna get some Jason in
Speaker 1: this episode. They remind us about Rory saying I may
Speaker 1: have loved you. They re right, who lizes like? I
Speaker 1: like that as a way to start. It draws me in.
Speaker 1: I think all of the the Jest stuff has never
Speaker 1: been more powerful because he's never had more to do.
Speaker 1: He's confronting his mother or avoiding his mother, he's confronting
Speaker 1: Luke and reading Rouke Luke the Riot Act and telling him,
Speaker 1: which was a devastating by the way, because it was
Speaker 1: had truth to it because he wasn't wrong. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to repeat what you said. He had more to do,
Speaker 1: and I think that's so important. Every character had so
Speaker 1: much to do that. I think it's why I felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so satisfied, right right, nothing was wasted. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've never seen Milo that way. You've never seen Luke,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jess that way. You've never seen Luke that way,
Speaker 1: you've never seen even Gypsy drunk drunk, but even Gypsy
Speaker 1: was served a purpose. Babette, her scene served a purpose
Speaker 1: because even though they went there because they're freezing, obviously
Speaker 1: it further the jest storyline. Everybody, Kirk, everybody served a purpose. Jason,
Speaker 1: Liz t j brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and even even a
Speaker 1: lot for Liz, tons of stuff to do for Liz totally.
Speaker 1: Even We'll go to the beginning with their so cold, right,
Speaker 1: they're so cold because the windows broken, which was so
Speaker 1: important because it led us to why it gets Luke
Speaker 1: over there for that tender, beautiful scene between the two
Speaker 1: of them, We're just like, these two people are in love,
Speaker 1: like why why do you waste my time? That scene
Speaker 1: also set up Jess and Rory too though, because she
Speaker 1: was she asked you like, do you think a froze
Speaker 1: to death in the car? You know, like she it
Speaker 1: just is setting that up to that she still kind
Speaker 1: of cares boy that that you know, that gaines bloodline
Speaker 1: causing that's the thing, as like a writer that I
Speaker 1: could never do. I mean, I'm not a writer. I'm
Speaker 1: saying I admire writers because when you're crafting the story,
Speaker 1: somebody has to think, oh, the window will be broken,
Speaker 1: and as a result of that, like that's where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: how do they do that? Right? Right? Because I was
Speaker 1: so like this window thing is so why what's going on?
Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh, but it was so important,
Speaker 1: right the getting syrup syrup on my waffles and must
Speaker 1: be a nice life for you. Right now, we'll just
Speaker 1: keep working here with no food. I ate I ate
Speaker 1: a banana and Scott's having a gourmet meal. But that's fine.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'll do a little fashion while you're
Speaker 1: while you're getting your breakfast. Second, Rory sweater amazing, she
Speaker 1: had that like really cute cozy wrap around sweater. But Laura,
Speaker 1: lie there. We'll talk about it. But there was a
Speaker 1: moment where Lorea lies walking in the blue puffer and
Speaker 1: the she's walking through start hollowed towards Kirk. The sun
Speaker 1: is shining behind her long brown hare. I literally was like,
Speaker 1: she's legit glowing like an angel. It was that we
Speaker 1: have to get that on freeze frame on Instagram because
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, she looked She's so cute.
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous. Now, I did think it was very
Speaker 1: dangerous that they were using the oven for warmth and
Speaker 1: nobody should do that. Yeah, but it did. It did. Uh.
Speaker 1: It gave birth to one of the great lines about
Speaker 1: Sylvia Plath. Maybe she was just cold. Well I just
Speaker 1: wrote down the joke about the thing. When's Nita coat
Speaker 1: so cool? And then they set up that you're gonna
Speaker 1: come fix it, which became important throughout, you know. And
Speaker 1: then in Lane still sleeping on the couch totally which
Speaker 1: I'm jumping ahead, but it's very sweet scene between lower
Speaker 1: lyon Lane where she says, like, I'm heading to town.
Speaker 1: Do you need anything? And she says has she asked that?
Speaker 1: There's just so many like sweet moments. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: then we realize there's so much traffic in stars Hollow.
Speaker 1: It's just it's pushing that car. What car is that?
Speaker 1: Does anyone know what kind of car that actually is?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it a Comet? Or Rambler had an old Comet Rambler?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just looks it's broken, needs a carburetor. Yeah. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Christine Taylor and I'm David Lasher. David and I
Speaker 1: start in a little show in the nineties called Hey Dude,
Speaker 1: and now we're eating up once again as the host
Speaker 1: of a new I Heart podcast, Hey Dude the Nineties
Speaker 1: called Do you remember the motor rolla flip phone? Do
Speaker 1: you remember going to Blockbuster? Do you remember Nintendo sixty four?
Speaker 1: Do you remember getting frosted tips? Was that a serial? No?
Speaker 1: It was hair? Do you remember a O L instant
Speaker 1: Messenger and the dial up sound like Poltergeist? Do you
Speaker 1: remember when we dated? Okay, save that for the podcast.
Speaker 1: We're going to use Hey Dude as our jumping off point,
Speaker 1: but we are going to unpack and dive back into
Speaker 1: the decade of the nineties. We lived it, and now
Speaker 1: we're calling on all of our friends to come back
Speaker 1: and relive it. Each episode will rival the feeling of
Speaker 1: taking out the cartridge from your game boy, blowing on it,
Speaker 1: and popping it back in as we take you back
Speaker 1: to the nineties. So listen to Hey Dude the Nineties
Speaker 1: called on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts. First of all, can you
Speaker 1: remember doing that scene? Because it's like you might as
Speaker 1: well have been a dance number with the three guys
Speaker 1: pushing and then you gotta walk up and Kirk's got
Speaker 1: to hit his mark, and the whole thing was like
Speaker 1: literally a chorus line. I don't remember one moment of
Speaker 1: filming any of that. That episode that shocked me Jesse's
Speaker 1: cars in MC ambassador. But anyways, that is not an
Speaker 1: easy scene. I mean, obviously they could cut, but like
Speaker 1: they're pushing that car. No, that's a real car, and
Speaker 1: then you have to walk. First of all, you're driving
Speaker 1: the truck. All those people are driving, so there's cars
Speaker 1: being driven and having to hit their marks. Well, push this, Jelapi.
Speaker 1: It can't be easy. No, but you got you know,
Speaker 1: it's you just have a bunch of people working together
Speaker 1: to make it happen. It's it's easier than you think
Speaker 1: and harder than you think. Okay, okay, yeah it's both. Um.
Speaker 1: Because when it goes wrong, when it goes bad, it
Speaker 1: goes really bad. It's like it's like the outtakes are
Speaker 1: pretty funny because it's like it all goes south and
Speaker 1: it's just like it's hysterical because it's so bad. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work like beautifully,
Speaker 1: you know, because driving a car you can't even like
Speaker 1: so say, you know how you guys have your marks
Speaker 1: or whatever, like hit your mark. If you're driving with
Speaker 1: cars all you can see in a little duct taping X. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the key. That's you know, that's the key to
Speaker 1: television acting. It's hitting your marks. It's like you have
Speaker 1: to do what you need to do, um, body language wise,
Speaker 1: to convey or whatever psychological gestures you are going to
Speaker 1: come up with that happened in the moment, and that
Speaker 1: all has to be accomplish before you hit that mark.
Speaker 1: And then you hit that mark and there's another mark.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it is, it's it is. It not seem
Speaker 1: like there's too much in the brain Like I would
Speaker 1: be like my brain cannot walk, talk, chew, gum, hit
Speaker 1: the mark, move the plate, serving care but cat like
Speaker 1: I just no, but it can. You can do it
Speaker 1: because every it's like you're fully functioned. You know, your
Speaker 1: brain is operating, your motions are open, everything's flowing. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's really Look you can do it. Look the floor
Speaker 1: of the diner or whatever scene we're doing is you know,
Speaker 1: we all have colored tape. Uh you know, um, lime green,
Speaker 1: laurelized red. Everybody has their own color tape. If we're
Speaker 1: doing four or five people in the scene. That floor
Speaker 1: and it's movement that floor. It's just like covered in
Speaker 1: colored tape, okay, And that's your dance for and you
Speaker 1: gotta know, you gotta know where you're going, and you
Speaker 1: do because you rehearse it a couple of times and
Speaker 1: you just kind of know it, you kind of get it,
Speaker 1: and it's you just your mark. I think if everybody
Speaker 1: could be an actor, everybody would be because who doesn't
Speaker 1: want to do it? But like, no, I couldn't do it. Well,
Speaker 1: if you love it and you want to be great
Speaker 1: at it, not saying that you're gonna be great at it,
Speaker 1: but if you want to be great at it, you're
Speaker 1: gonna you know, you're gonna slide into your mark and
Speaker 1: you're gonna just do it, you know. And I have
Speaker 1: a I digress on or I interject with this question.
Speaker 1: When you went to do the show, you just did
Speaker 1: Sullivan's crossing, did I get Yeah, you hadn't acted in
Speaker 1: a minute. Is it like riding a bike or it
Speaker 1: was a while. Is it like riding a bike or
Speaker 1: did you have to like like were you stiff at
Speaker 1: first or like bad? I don't know. Somebody hit him
Speaker 1: with a hammery and you can't even come back to
Speaker 1: you like your naturally know how to do it. Scott, Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you try it with a little bit of feeling.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's riding a bike. Is it like
Speaker 1: riding a bike? Yeah, So you get out there and
Speaker 1: you you know what to do. Well. It was a
Speaker 1: different it's a different show. It's different writing. It called
Speaker 1: upon the actors to do different things. It's a far
Speaker 1: more emotional show. You know. It's it's it's actors emoting.
Speaker 1: So this oh no, no, no, no, this is a
Speaker 1: lot of talking. And yeah, I agree with you. You
Speaker 1: have to feel it. It's it's it's draining, but it's
Speaker 1: But Solomon's crossing was just like, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to cry today three times. It's that show where
Speaker 1: it's just deeply emotional. These characters are deeply affected by
Speaker 1: one another, and it's it's it's what's referred to as
Speaker 1: a romantic drama. So I didn't know that I could
Speaker 1: do that in front of a camera as frequently as
Speaker 1: I was called upon to do it. It's surprised that
Speaker 1: I could do it. And I realized I could do
Speaker 1: it in the first couple of days because it was
Speaker 1: like cry, cry, cry, breakdown cry, and I'm like, are
Speaker 1: they kidding me? With us? And uh, I just you
Speaker 1: just do it, and I just feel the older you get,
Speaker 1: the easier acting becomes because you get you know yourself better. Uh.
Speaker 1: It really is about being comfortable in front of a
Speaker 1: camera and not being intimidated by it, but like knowing
Speaker 1: how to use the camera. You know, it's so I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point it's just I'm not saying it's easy acting.
Speaker 1: It's really hard. Um, but uh, you know, beginners get
Speaker 1: nervous in front of a camera. They get nervous when
Speaker 1: they have to hit their marks, and there's this sort
Speaker 1: of fear. I don't have that anymore, you know. What's
Speaker 1: so funny just even the zoom sometimes, like if we
Speaker 1: turned our cameras off, we should try this as an
Speaker 1: experiment one day, because I wonder if the show would
Speaker 1: be the podcast would be, like I don't know, just
Speaker 1: maybe even improved, because even having the zoom cameras on,
Speaker 1: occasionally I catch a glimpse of myself and I'm like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: or I do this weird thing because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to have six We should all be in
Speaker 1: the same studio. We should all be in the same
Speaker 1: room with cameras rolling. Fine, we can't really notice them,
Speaker 1: but we should be. We should be reacting off each
Speaker 1: other because if we're interacting in this in this way,
Speaker 1: at this level, over zoom or then imagine what it's
Speaker 1: like we're all in the room together. That's why I
Speaker 1: keep advocating going back to the to a studio, a
Speaker 1: dedicated studio. You wouldn't be able to be where you
Speaker 1: are right now. I'd have to move. But I do
Speaker 1: think there's something about the camera. We could do multiple
Speaker 1: episodes in one day or in a two day period.
Speaker 1: First of all, this is boring for people listening, but
Speaker 1: actually I actually never let us do that. I will
Speaker 1: tell everybody I never let us do that for people
Speaker 1: listening that want a little inside baseball, because it's really
Speaker 1: hard to talk about the episode if you've seen the
Speaker 1: next one. So I really like that we do, we
Speaker 1: see the episode. It's a good point. That is a
Speaker 1: good point. I will stand down on that all right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll bore everyone later with our behind the scenes. And
Speaker 1: so anyway, this scene was so First of all, the
Speaker 1: gypsy Gypsy was very, very important in this episode and
Speaker 1: the scene where so she's working on the car and
Speaker 1: you get this shot of Jess and oh my god,
Speaker 1: he looked he had this pose. I don't know if
Speaker 1: people want to go back and look at it. But
Speaker 1: then when she says, well, wait while you do. But anyway,
Speaker 1: she says, that's not her. I know her. That was
Speaker 1: painful because he was like smiling, like not smiling, without smiling,
Speaker 1: and just like there she is totally and she knew
Speaker 1: and she says that's not her. She cut her hair.
Speaker 1: She was so important, so important. Boy, these two kids,
Speaker 1: these two wacky kids. Man, they just they love each other.
Speaker 1: But man, he just needs to get his act together
Speaker 1: or out of school and you know, open up, you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of a vegetable garden business or something and
Speaker 1: just be a hippie and just let it go be
Speaker 1: with jas, right, I mean that's the alternative. That's that's
Speaker 1: the other show. Yeah, yeah, Sliding Doors. I mean it
Speaker 1: could go a million different ways. So I actually okay.
Speaker 1: So then we do have that Lane that's scene with
Speaker 1: Lane that we talked about Lane and Laura ly and
Speaker 1: then we get Emily on the phone, which I actually
Speaker 1: thought that Emily stuff was hysterical Emily and Richard and
Speaker 1: just they need these people at their table, and you
Speaker 1: sort of um because the episode was so sensitive and
Speaker 1: had so much feeling, and then it was nice to
Speaker 1: go like, oh, Emily and Richard crazy as ever, I mean,
Speaker 1: and just she just the interaction and like Laura Bobbins,
Speaker 1: you know what, like she's freaking out about that one
Speaker 1: even is melting down, like bring someone, Laura lar always
Speaker 1: always good to see Emily a full throttle, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she never can miss a beat because even
Speaker 1: though she's like so focused on filling her table, she
Speaker 1: was like, don't wear those pantyhose. You look like ten
Speaker 1: cents of dance, just like it's not even a phrase.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, anyway, it just moves so fast. So I
Speaker 1: like the setup of the whole fundraiser blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So then we go into Luke's and I thought that
Speaker 1: scene with Kirk and Miss Patty, he's all jazz hands,
Speaker 1: flaming baton and then she's just like He's like, are
Speaker 1: you listening and she's like not sense a day you're born? Ye,
Speaker 1: And it's just like it wasn't was it needed? No
Speaker 1: for the plot. But it's just so good, right, great,
Speaker 1: Great for the characters, great for the relationships. Great. Oh
Speaker 1: I do have a flag on the play though. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so you know how we have of all this about Carrie? Right,
Speaker 1: so if she is, so Liz is coming and staying
Speaker 1: with her, and you had this like one night Shenanigans,
Speaker 1: maybe at the prom whatever. The town is the size
Speaker 1: of a piece, So why do you never see her? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know that she lives. That Carrie lives in
Speaker 1: Stars Hall? Does she? Did they say that she does?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just assumed if Liz was staying
Speaker 1: with her, that's a good point. If she's I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess they could have stayed at an end together.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. You know, we don't We don't
Speaker 1: see every single character and stars Hollow, I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think a small town is a couple of thousand?
Speaker 1: Five thousand? I guess that's true. I mean, how are
Speaker 1: you gonna see all of now? We see her when
Speaker 1: we need to see her, right, she's not. Maybe she
Speaker 1: lives on the outskirts. I don't know. Yeah, it's just's
Speaker 1: a mystery. Anyway, they couldn't make your deal. Right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they threw big fat studio money at her and she said,
Speaker 1: now who knows, you know? So okay, So that aside,
Speaker 1: that's sort of the one plot hole and it kind
Speaker 1: of comes up later when you bump into the three girls.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about it then. Okay. So then we've
Speaker 1: got Liz in the ear rings in the diner, which
Speaker 1: actually lead to funny moments between Luke and Liz, like
Speaker 1: they have a cool interaction. Yeah, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: he could have. I mean, I understand why he didn't
Speaker 1: want it in his dinner. He's just who he is
Speaker 1: and that's just how it is. But he could have
Speaker 1: let her. You know, I was like, just let herself
Speaker 1: some ear rings. What's the big deal? But that means
Speaker 1: she's going to stay if they sell, she's and you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't want that. He wants her to move on.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to deal with it. Patty would buy
Speaker 1: the ear rings though, right, Like it was a toss
Speaker 1: in between to your buying the ear rings. I'm happy
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Speaker 1: to podcasts. Okay, so there is something about Liz that's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if you caught it. She goes
Speaker 1: like you need to nap jack. Everybody's cool, it's cool.
Speaker 1: Like the way she talks is so seventies, like hippie cool,
Speaker 1: like you need a nap jack. Everybody's cool with the earrings.
Speaker 1: It's cool like and I kind of like it as
Speaker 1: a juxtaposition to Luke, who's so sort of uptight gradging.
Speaker 1: They really feel like siblings. Well, she seems like she's
Speaker 1: doing really good in this episode, Like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, she seems like she's she's I don't know,
Speaker 1: doing something good for herself. But then in the back
Speaker 1: of my head, I'm like, and obviously I don't know
Speaker 1: what happens, but I'm like, one's the ball going to draw?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, I think the problem with that
Speaker 1: dynamic with the brothers sister thing, and he's coming to
Speaker 1: the rescue all the time and cleaning up the messages.
Speaker 1: He's got a memory of he's got bad memories and
Speaker 1: she has a very short memory span and she has
Speaker 1: good memories. It's all positive for her because now you know,
Speaker 1: she has the ability to, um, you know, to recreate
Speaker 1: her life all the time because she's always recovering. She's
Speaker 1: always in some kind of recovery. UM. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're living on two different planes. That
Speaker 1: is such a great example that you just nailed it there, Scott,
Speaker 1: because the way she sees him, her brother Luke, is
Speaker 1: not the way he thinks she sees him. And we
Speaker 1: learned that so much through her conversation with Laura Lai
Speaker 1: and the way she sees him as her hero, her savior.
Speaker 1: It's almost like, in some ways it's amazing, but it
Speaker 1: also is why maybe she keeps failing. He'll say of me,
Speaker 1: he'll give me money, He'll get me a place to stay.
Speaker 1: She doesn't ever have to be She gave her kid
Speaker 1: to him, right, She's it's always a super positive experience
Speaker 1: for her to be with him, because that's the hope
Speaker 1: for her. That he's gonna, like we talked about in
Speaker 1: the last episode, that he's gonna show up. He's just
Speaker 1: gonna keep giving, giving, giving, and that's my brother and
Speaker 1: I love him. He's gonna be there for me. So
Speaker 1: that's great for her. What are the effect what's the
Speaker 1: effect on him? It's it's it's horrible. It's a horrible,
Speaker 1: devastating effect. We'll think about it the way she spoke
Speaker 1: about him to Lord Lie and we'll get into the
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of it is so different than the way
Speaker 1: he speaks about her. They don't have. The relationship is
Speaker 1: not equal. He is always having to do everything, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I love him, He's my hero. He saves me.
Speaker 1: I mess up, he fixes it. I mess up, he
Speaker 1: fixes it, and he's like exhausted by it. It's what
Speaker 1: is that reciprocal? It's not reciprocal. That's the word. Their
Speaker 1: relationship is not reciprocal. Yeah, it's it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: unrequited love. It's just what it's just what brothers do.
Speaker 1: You know, just what her brother does. It's just what
Speaker 1: brothers do. Yeah, big brothers that they've always done. They'll
Speaker 1: always do it. And uh, you know, he's got to
Speaker 1: find he's got to find it deep within himself to
Speaker 1: forgive her and to get over it and to move
Speaker 1: forward with positivity. I guess. But he just so she
Speaker 1: scares the hell out of him totally, and that brings
Speaker 1: up something that I'm going to go out of order,
Speaker 1: but I think it's important because we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: Luke put that money in the car, Yeah, like that
Speaker 1: was major, Like he can't not help these people, right,
Speaker 1: so he could he's so hurt by Jess, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: Jess just gave him the biggest gut punch ever. And
Speaker 1: he went over to because he said, when I went
Speaker 1: over to Gypsies, she was still work. She was about
Speaker 1: finished with the car. And so you know by that
Speaker 1: he's gone over there and he put that money up
Speaker 1: in the and it's like, oh my god, this guy
Speaker 1: hurt him so much, but that's his kid, so he's like,
Speaker 1: he needs that money. You know, that was a brilliant
Speaker 1: scene between Jess and Luke, but I think it was
Speaker 1: incredibly unfair, h and petty and easy and cheap shots.
Speaker 1: It was just, you know, Luke was formed. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: people are formed through their experiences, right, and they are
Speaker 1: who they are through their experiences in life. That's what
Speaker 1: teaches them and that's how Luke became Um. And for
Speaker 1: somebody to just rip the mask off that, I thought
Speaker 1: it was cruel and I thought it showed um a
Speaker 1: depravity on Jesse's part that is completely debilitating him. Jess,
Speaker 1: I think it said. I think it said more about
Speaker 1: Jess than it than it does about Luke. And I
Speaker 1: think there's some truth even though there's some truth to
Speaker 1: what he was saying, Um, the manner in which that
Speaker 1: information was delivered was cruel, and it was heartless, and
Speaker 1: it was mean spirit, which is why Lauraa calls him
Speaker 1: out keep going, keep going, deep deeply troubled person. Uh
Speaker 1: And and my opinion of him went down a couple
Speaker 1: of notches. Um. It's it's either he's so troubled that
Speaker 1: he's lashing out at everything, which is probably the case
Speaker 1: because he was you know, it looks like he was
Speaker 1: raised by a couple of addicts who didn't want to
Speaker 1: bother him. Um, So this is a deep seated anchor.
Speaker 1: This is a rage. So you know, Milo is filled
Speaker 1: with rage. And I think that's especially what Loyal is
Speaker 1: responding to stay with my daughter because even though you
Speaker 1: have these other personalities, you have these other qualities, doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: Your rage wipes them all out. So stay away from
Speaker 1: her because one moment could end my daughter's future with you.
Speaker 1: And he's singlehandedly like crushing the two people closest to
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's one common denominator.
Speaker 1: This guy is ruining their life. He is hurting them
Speaker 1: so badly. The ultimate rebel, the ultimate bad boy. But boy,
Speaker 1: he just he just ripped Luke and new one now
Speaker 1: there is okay, So I guess there is some truth
Speaker 1: to what he said and that he's not wrong like that.
Speaker 1: Luke is always trying to fix things, but Luke does
Speaker 1: it with intentions. And also he Luke does it out
Speaker 1: of love. Now he's not long. But the other thing
Speaker 1: that he's not factoring in with Liz now he knows it.
Speaker 1: The reason you're Luke is worried about Liz is because
Speaker 1: of the past. So even if she's doing well now,
Speaker 1: he's so like worried, like this is just going to
Speaker 1: be like all the rest well. I think it's a
Speaker 1: sign of strength in Luke that people try to call
Speaker 1: him out that it's actually a sign of their weakness
Speaker 1: when they say these things like I never asked you
Speaker 1: to help me. That to me is a sign of
Speaker 1: extraordinary weakness and ingratitude on somebody's part when they say
Speaker 1: that that is the worst thing you could That's the
Speaker 1: most revealing thing you could say to somebody. I never
Speaker 1: asked you to do that. When somebody steps up and
Speaker 1: does the right thing for somebody and then resents that
Speaker 1: person for doing it because they don't feel like they
Speaker 1: want to owe somebody something because I never asked you
Speaker 1: to do that, and that's because they're both but my ass. Okay,
Speaker 1: but screw you because you have problems and you know
Speaker 1: you want to feel like a martyr and you want
Speaker 1: to do this, Well, guess what, You're just trying to
Speaker 1: justify your own crappy behavior and ingratitude to what a
Speaker 1: person that you respect to. So that's why I thought
Speaker 1: it was such a low blow, because people like that
Speaker 1: drive me crazy. It is a hundred it's a hundred
Speaker 1: percent low blow. But just playing Devil's advocate, I feel
Speaker 1: like just is also in he does he did this
Speaker 1: to Rory. He knows that Rory is so much better
Speaker 1: than him that he has to go away, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like at least that's what is like
Speaker 1: his insecurity, like I'm not good enough for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but I think he feels the same way about Luke,
Speaker 1: Like I think he genuinely thinks this person is like
Speaker 1: the only father figure he's ever had and he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be there to ruin his life, like in
Speaker 1: a weird way, Like I do get that impression doesn't
Speaker 1: make it right, but like it's almost like he's doing
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons, even though in his head,
Speaker 1: I think in Rory case, yes, and Luke's case, it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a stretch for me to get there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, but I hear what you're saying. I think
Speaker 1: subconsciously people do do this. Um. Yeah, it's interesting. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting take. Um. But still um. But one of
Speaker 1: the great moments of purity and nobility that he displayed
Speaker 1: on the show was when he didn't say anything on
Speaker 1: the telephone when he called her from Venice Beach, right
Speaker 1: say anything. It was like, I'm here. Uh, the world
Speaker 1: society has erased me. I'm here. I love you, but
Speaker 1: I can't love you and I can't be in your life.
Speaker 1: I thought it was one of the pure moments his
Speaker 1: character has had, right, true truly seeing what he was.
Speaker 1: It was a true, beautiful moment of introspection. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear your thoughts on the end of this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, it was, It was. It was just's most
Speaker 1: honest moment. Yeah, you mean, the silent phone call. And
Speaker 1: he because he knows what he brings to the table
Speaker 1: and he knows that he can't be that guy for her. Um,
Speaker 1: And it's it was It was really tragic, it really was,
Speaker 1: but it was beautiful for his character. It was it
Speaker 1: was he really went deep on that one. I go
Speaker 1: to is leaving though, his go to move because he
Speaker 1: left when the car crashed, he left, then he leaves
Speaker 1: on the bus, and then now he's leaving again. It's
Speaker 1: like his go to when well, he left like three
Speaker 1: times this episode, like Rory cap seeing Jess and like runaway, runaway,
Speaker 1: run away, and on the last scene see that, Roy's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is my town. I gave not you. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I know he's been left essentially, his dad left him,
Speaker 1: his mom gave him away. So so he knows it
Speaker 1: from past behavior. When the going gets tough, you just
Speaker 1: tall ass you give up. That's really interesting, right, that's
Speaker 1: like the learned. That's what he's learned to leave. And
Speaker 1: so he quits life, he quits people, he quits on himself.
Speaker 1: He knows how to quit. He is he is the
Speaker 1: definition of a quitter. And it's tragic because he's so
Speaker 1: he's so appealing in so many ways, and he's so smart,
Speaker 1: and he's so you know, he's that guy that needs
Speaker 1: somebody that's not related to him to come into his
Speaker 1: life and inspire him to stop quitting, you know, somebody,
Speaker 1: because there's there's such a well of talent there. You
Speaker 1: just know it, you just feel it that Jess can
Speaker 1: do will do extraordinary things. That's really true. It's a
Speaker 1: non relative like he needs like the boss with the
Speaker 1: coach or the whoever. It's it's just a it's a
Speaker 1: random person. It's a you know, maybe he hands up
Speaker 1: in city college somewhere and there's a professor and who
Speaker 1: sees the potential in, you know, and one thing leads
Speaker 1: to another and next thing, you know, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's creating headlines. So I see him as as having
Speaker 1: that depth of talent because he's so smart. Hey there,
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Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts. So let's talk about to me,
Speaker 1: what is one of the most important scenes in this episode.
Speaker 1: There's probably a couple the interaction between lord lyon Liz.
Speaker 1: So lor La comes up to the truck, she thinks
Speaker 1: it's Luke. It's not Luke, and oh, you're the you're
Speaker 1: the wife. I'm not I'm actually not the wife. And
Speaker 1: she says, huh, you look like his type. There was
Speaker 1: a few little subliminal things in there that I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, and then she says oh. And in that
Speaker 1: same convertation, in that same conversation, Laura like like calls
Speaker 1: Luke maybe one of the own Yes, right, there's two
Speaker 1: things in that. Those are the two things that are
Speaker 1: so important, And then you really get the inside of
Speaker 1: Liz where she says, I'm a pain in his ass,
Speaker 1: and Loria says, aren't we all? You know? I screw up,
Speaker 1: he fixes it. I screw up, he fixes it. I'm
Speaker 1: out of money. He gives me money. I need a
Speaker 1: place to stay. He finds me a place to stay.
Speaker 1: And then she even acknowledges like I should have sent
Speaker 1: just to him sooner, sooner, she says, my hero so
Speaker 1: to me like that scene, and now she wants to
Speaker 1: move back. But it's just such an important scene. And
Speaker 1: then you're right, she says, he's one of the only
Speaker 1: good ones. And then she says, by friend and customer,
Speaker 1: not wife like it just was like I know, like
Speaker 1: she knows, she knows, of course she knows. She gives
Speaker 1: the ear rings and says, oh, you could give this
Speaker 1: to your wife or lower Lie. I know, it's so good,
Speaker 1: it's so good. What did you think? And then what
Speaker 1: does he do? Right? That Nicole is such a waste
Speaker 1: of her breath. So Scott, because you're really seeing that scene,
Speaker 1: because you're not in that scene, even though it's all
Speaker 1: about you for the first time, So as Scott, who
Speaker 1: is a k a luke like were you like, oh, whoa,
Speaker 1: what did you think that is interesting? It's character of
Speaker 1: development for Luke with in the in this scene that
Speaker 1: such a groople to say it, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it shows Laura being concerned for Luke and his emotional
Speaker 1: well being after being ripped apart by Jess. Overall, I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's happened yet, that scene happened overall
Speaker 1: over specific about it, um And then now here's the mother,
Speaker 1: here's the person who created the Jess. I mean, which
Speaker 1: is worse? Right? So I think it's it's it's gloralized
Speaker 1: showing a level of concern for Luke's well being. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to this person. Uh. She doesn't
Speaker 1: trust Liz as much as she doesn't trust Jets. So
Speaker 1: that was an interview and it was like to get
Speaker 1: us a feel, to get a sense that she initiated it.
Speaker 1: She thought it was Luke and ran up um. But
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of distance between those two,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't trust you, Liz. You are
Speaker 1: the creator of Jess, so you're worse than Jess. I
Speaker 1: did not even think of that. And Liz is there,
Speaker 1: you know, Liz is sitting there you know, Lottie don
Speaker 1: things are going to be great, isn't it wonderful? She
Speaker 1: doesn't understand there's she's so unaware of the effect she's
Speaker 1: had over the years. She's so unaware that nobody trusts her.
Speaker 1: There's not a single person that trusts her. Her son
Speaker 1: doesn't trust her, her brother doesn't trust her. And now
Speaker 1: obviously Laurel I doesn't trust her, and she's not worthy?
Speaker 1: Is she worthy? So how far down you know, the
Speaker 1: scale of on human existence is she where she's this
Speaker 1: very likable personality that's very jovial, happy, positive, cool, you know,
Speaker 1: hippie devil may care personality. Um, And she's she's not stupid, um,
Speaker 1: and she's got a new fella and things are maybe
Speaker 1: turning around for her, you know, And she's just completely
Speaker 1: unaware that she is unacceptable and that what needs to
Speaker 1: happen is for her to have you know, her come
Speaker 1: to Jesus moment and clean up her act and realized
Speaker 1: that she owes people a ton of apologies all over
Speaker 1: the place, so they'll work on herself instead of trying
Speaker 1: to have another guy come in the scene who has
Speaker 1: the nerve to stand there and call me and you know,
Speaker 1: throw an expert it at me because I'm a concerned brother.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, f hm, well right, but there's
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've been in that situation. I've talked
Speaker 1: to guys like that that were with my sister and
Speaker 1: then she just had a long line here I go,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go. I'm sorry, I'm gonna sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go there. But it's but it's you know,
Speaker 1: what the Palladinos are giving us is the light, cleaned
Speaker 1: up version of horrible things, and and they're making it digestible,
Speaker 1: they're making it palatable. Yeah, well, you brought up something
Speaker 1: sous of it. How do you take something that dark
Speaker 1: and that destructive and make it entertaining and funny? Well,
Speaker 1: because you make those characters likable. But here's my question.
Speaker 1: Is it a good idea to do that to a
Speaker 1: character like Liz, who is you know, she's an addict
Speaker 1: and she's screwed up her son and she you know, right,
Speaker 1: is there something Scott, You're bringing up something so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Civic duty on the part of creators not to to
Speaker 1: rehabilitate these awful characters in this way? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because here's what I'm thinking about now that you pointed
Speaker 1: out two things I really want to ask you about.
Speaker 1: Number One, You're right, So why are the sugarcoating something?
Speaker 1: I like Liz? Right? I like Liz, and I have
Speaker 1: literally forgotten that she gave her kid away, Like I'm
Speaker 1: just like giving her a hale pass for that, Like
Speaker 1: she literally abandoned her child, which is really really bad,
Speaker 1: really bad, Yes it is, and I have completely given
Speaker 1: her a pass. So I thought that's such an interesting point,
Speaker 1: Like she is so likable, and I'm like, why is
Speaker 1: he vam so tough on her? But it's like she
Speaker 1: gave up her kid to him? And I do think
Speaker 1: we are glossing over that. So here's the other side
Speaker 1: of it. You know, you as the person you are,
Speaker 1: me the person I am, Daniel. Okay, we haven't had
Speaker 1: a just a different experience through life. We we handle
Speaker 1: things in a different way. When we get in trouble
Speaker 1: to get out of whatever, we have a willpower. There's
Speaker 1: a willpower certain people don't have that. Liz is a
Speaker 1: person who doesn't have that. So do you accept that
Speaker 1: as a justifiable argument excuse this behavior and to continue
Speaker 1: to forgive and to continue to hope to continue to
Speaker 1: engage yourself in that person's life. I did until you
Speaker 1: brought it up, until you've said it to me this way,
Speaker 1: which is making me think. And I think the other
Speaker 1: thing is and I know you don't want to necessarily
Speaker 1: go there, but because you have such personal experience with
Speaker 1: something like that, you're seeing it so clearly almost where
Speaker 1: You're like, Luke is not happy, and he is right
Speaker 1: to feel that way. Where I'm kind of like Lottie
Speaker 1: Dottie Dog. Liz is school. She makes everything, she's funny,
Speaker 1: she's she's cute, and it's like, you're right, I've completely
Speaker 1: ignored the fact she gave up her kid, and also
Speaker 1: that she's letting her kid just go off. She Luke
Speaker 1: is the one giving the money. Luke is the one
Speaker 1: checking on the car, and Jess Liz is like not
Speaker 1: even caring that Jesse is off going. We don't even
Speaker 1: know where the hell he's going. Yeah, because even in
Speaker 1: her recovered state, right like she you know, let's say
Speaker 1: she is an addict, Like she's doing well right now,
Speaker 1: so it seems, but she still doesn't have the capacity
Speaker 1: to look after her child, who's in the same city
Speaker 1: as her and clearly, Daniel, that's so right. And then Scott,
Speaker 1: I thought you said something so interesting. You said a
Speaker 1: lie goes up and loyal lies being loyal Lie. She's
Speaker 1: so cute and bubbly and sweet, but she's interviewing Liz. Now,
Speaker 1: I thought Liz past that interview because I thought the
Speaker 1: takeaway from that scene was LORELEI had a better understanding
Speaker 1: of Liz. And my gut was when she walked away
Speaker 1: from the truck she liked Liz. Yeah, but I thought,
Speaker 1: you're right, Like it wasn't so obvious, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she should be questioning Liz. Liz is the mother who
Speaker 1: abandoned this hoodlum who has literally devastated her daughter. She
Speaker 1: was actually quite kind to Liz. She could have come
Speaker 1: in hot and been like, what is up with you?
Speaker 1: You sent this kid here who broke my daughter's heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't know that you want to
Speaker 1: engage your personality like that right off the first meeting
Speaker 1: in that way? Well, right, right, right, obviously right, I
Speaker 1: think becoming feisty, right, yeah, you'd be you'd be a
Speaker 1: little more cautious and not that she would be justified,
Speaker 1: but um, you know that could bend Luke's mind around
Speaker 1: and then he'd open up a cannab will pass on
Speaker 1: Laurela so to speak, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: why are you talking? Because that has that happened before?
Speaker 1: Remember their big fight backlash, right, so maybe it should have.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but listen, Lizz's entire adult life has
Speaker 1: been a cry for help. That's what addicts do. Everything
Speaker 1: they do is a cry for help. Whether and somebody
Speaker 1: answers them or not, it's irrelevant because they don't change.
Speaker 1: Some do they get the right treatment, right, But all
Speaker 1: Liz is doing, she's coming back. It's a cry for help,
Speaker 1: new guy, cry for help. She's everybody in her life.
Speaker 1: How she treats Jess now and that scene in Luke's apartment,
Speaker 1: Oh we're all together. This is a magical configuration. It's
Speaker 1: all come together. Nobody was feeling it, okay, except for
Speaker 1: maybe teaching t J a little bit right, and and
Speaker 1: she's very entitled, comes into the diner, takes the stakes,
Speaker 1: takes the pie, which you're kind of like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: you're you know, but that is sort of rude. And
Speaker 1: I didn't get that when when I watched it, I
Speaker 1: was like oh, let her have the stakes, like let
Speaker 1: the pie stopping a d word, Luke. The behavior behavior
Speaker 1: of addicts that personality is it's unpredictable, bizarre. You know
Speaker 1: you would you wouldn't. You wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe the kind of behavior and the kind of situations
Speaker 1: and how inappropriate behavior. It's just right, disconnect. We have
Speaker 1: really forgiven her. I really did, Danniel. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, but I did not think of any of
Speaker 1: this when I watched it. I just gave her the
Speaker 1: hall pass. Let her of the pie. He's making the chili.
Speaker 1: This is so great. You're not supposed to You're not.
Speaker 1: It's because everybody who's is probably screaming at their car
Speaker 1: radios right now or their iPhone saying, Scott, it's just
Speaker 1: a TV show. Let us enjoy it. Yes, I agree,
Speaker 1: there's that. So there's that it's just a TV show.
Speaker 1: And that's another point of view. It's entertainment. Both can
Speaker 1: be right, both can be right, because Danielle, what were
Speaker 1: you going to say? I was gonna say, um, what
Speaker 1: I didn't catch through this is like there is that
Speaker 1: scene where Luke is like really like he obviously is
Speaker 1: not processing Jess or Liz like in a in a
Speaker 1: way that makes them comfortable, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: So like there is I don't know, it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just a clue that there's like definitely turmoil within Luke
Speaker 1: during this, you know, during just and Lisban. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if Amy and Dan I wanted both to be
Speaker 1: true Scott, they want you to take it just how
Speaker 1: you're taking it, and also take it as it's a
Speaker 1: TV show, enjoy it because they're giving us both. Why
Speaker 1: would they give us that intense scene of like just
Speaker 1: saying I don't like any of the guys, but she's
Speaker 1: gonna do what she's gonna do, and you have to
Speaker 1: fix everybody. You always have to be the good guy,
Speaker 1: like focus on your own life and leave everyone alone.
Speaker 1: Like that was so heavy and dramatic that it's not
Speaker 1: just a TV show. Well when people, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the reason that Amy and Dan did that is
Speaker 1: because when you're watching, you relate to one or the other,
Speaker 1: you know, like you can be like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: somebody in my life as constantly trying to meddle in
Speaker 1: that I don't want to, or you know, like on
Speaker 1: the flip side, like I am the person that fixes things.
Speaker 1: Why can't they, you know, appreciate it, Like it's like
Speaker 1: getting I don't know, like every person that's watching is
Speaker 1: taking something differently away from it. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: everybody's feeling something. And I think that's the job. They
Speaker 1: see it. It's like, how do we make the audience feel?
Speaker 1: How does this how? And and boy, they made me feel, well,
Speaker 1: that's why they're making everybody feel. They're making babies feeling
Speaker 1: a seven year old kids feel. Yeah, that's exactly my
Speaker 1: point because like the character of Liz does not like really,
Speaker 1: when I'm watching her, I take it at face value.
Speaker 1: I don't make hearings, you know, everything exactly. But Scott
Speaker 1: has a different reaction to that. And then like another
Speaker 1: example is Lane. For me, I relate so much to Lane,
Speaker 1: but you guys, don't you know. It's like it's different
Speaker 1: characters mean things with different almost astounding me right now.
Speaker 1: And why I like this podcast so much is Scott
Speaker 1: I'm I'm now I'm trying to see this episode through
Speaker 1: your eyes, right, and you're right, Like Luke is right,
Speaker 1: Scott Patterson is right, like I was watching it. It's
Speaker 1: just a TV show. I'm enjoying it, but you're right,
Speaker 1: like this was messy, Like why am I just forgiving
Speaker 1: Liz where I did? And I like her and I
Speaker 1: like t J. And I'm like, like, we can talk
Speaker 1: about that ending scene where Luke is being such a
Speaker 1: cool guy to t J. So cool, and TJ just
Speaker 1: like you're a dick, and it's like that was gnarly,
Speaker 1: But huh, I get why he's saying that, because he
Speaker 1: loves Liz and so he sees everybody's seeing things through
Speaker 1: different lenses. Both are true. I think Luke deserved that.
Speaker 1: Um he was being a d to t J. He was.
Speaker 1: He just dismissed him right away, right. He doesn't understand
Speaker 1: that there's been you know, there's been twenty t js, yes,
Speaker 1: and they've all treated her badly, and they've Peter and
Speaker 1: they've all put her in the hospital and it's all bad.
Speaker 1: And he's just like, not gonna give this guy a chance,
Speaker 1: but you know, and then he's doing it. He is
Speaker 1: giving him a chance, like Luke always does with Liz,
Speaker 1: gives her another chance, just the way. It's just the
Speaker 1: way he came around at the end and said, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what. I He kind of deserved that shock.
Speaker 1: He's like, you should was thinking. But I also thought
Speaker 1: it was so sweet. It was sweet. It was it's
Speaker 1: like every time this guy gets vulnerable, he gets slammed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because then that's so true. Like if I were Luke,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh yeah, and thank god Lorala walked up.
Speaker 1: What so obviously he was going to give her the
Speaker 1: earrings first of all. If I was Nicole, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: we need to be done because you do not like me,
Speaker 1: you do not want to sleep in my house, and
Speaker 1: you're giving Laurea Lae ear rings. Nicole is not around
Speaker 1: to see those things. She doesn't know the ear rings.
Speaker 1: She doesn't know that he's going over to fix the
Speaker 1: window like that. Nicole is busy reading legal briefs. And
Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about the drunkie bloody hand scene
Speaker 1: and the tenderness and there's no blood, where's the blood there?
Speaker 1: Scott's hand was covered in blood, and Loria gets a
Speaker 1: bandon and goes like, there's just blood everywhere and just
Speaker 1: a little band aid. She I did think the scene
Speaker 1: between the two of them, though, I literally wrote they're married.
Speaker 1: They're married because she's like, yeah, I want to tell
Speaker 1: me about it. I want to tell me what happened.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like and then Lorala and Jes that confrontation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we have to go, but like
Speaker 1: that confrontation was amazed. We haven't even talked about Jason
Speaker 1: and Lora, Lee and Jason and his father. Awkward, let's
Speaker 1: talk about And there was some funny part. No, no no,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, let's talk about that, because I
Speaker 1: really want to talk about the Jesse scene, just like
Speaker 1: I love you with the very last scene, go for it,
Speaker 1: just do it? Now do that one. How do you
Speaker 1: guys feel about it? Like, I want to know how
Speaker 1: you guys felt about just saying I love you. He
Speaker 1: loves her? You know, he he ran away from her
Speaker 1: what two or three times? And he just you can't
Speaker 1: run away from your heart. Man, I think, what else
Speaker 1: is he gonna say it's totally true? What else is
Speaker 1: he gonna say it's the truth. Yeah, it made me
Speaker 1: tear up ashore, But it was also one of those
Speaker 1: things I think Rory has been wanting to hear that
Speaker 1: for so long, and she kind of gave, you know,
Speaker 1: she kind of told him he loved her. In her
Speaker 1: own weird way when that phone call seene, but for
Speaker 1: this time, like he was just like I love you
Speaker 1: and just like so blatantly told her. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just made me feel some kind of way, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, this guy, this guy is so
Speaker 1: like like turmoil, like if like for me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: just why aren't you staying just stay and make out
Speaker 1: with her and like you know, hang out with her
Speaker 1: and say sorry, like he's not doing that like for
Speaker 1: somebody you love so much, why aren't you, Well, why
Speaker 1: do you trying? Mean that he said I love you?
Speaker 1: Like he said I love you and drove away. That's
Speaker 1: not helping her with closure, Like that's just going to
Speaker 1: make her love him more. It's like I love that
Speaker 1: he said that. But I'm also like, then why aren't
Speaker 1: you trying to make it work? And why aren't you
Speaker 1: trying to get your act together? And you know, like
Speaker 1: if you think Rory is so much better than you,
Speaker 1: then like why aren't you putting in the work to
Speaker 1: make yourself better to feel like you can Because because
Speaker 1: he's not in a stable he doesn't have a home,
Speaker 1: he's not in a stable place where he can work
Speaker 1: on himself really. You know, he's got to get he's
Speaker 1: got to get an apartment, he's got to get a job,
Speaker 1: he's got to get back into I mean that's going
Speaker 1: to take a bit, right. He's not in no state
Speaker 1: where he can work on himself at this moment. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's listen, I think Rory is really fighting
Speaker 1: and moralize helping her fight this urge to save Jess.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't do this. It'll ruin your life. There's
Speaker 1: no guarante. You might have some bliss for a year,
Speaker 1: and then it could all turn bad because you look
Speaker 1: at his history, and she's fighting that and Rory knows
Speaker 1: that that is the path to take. It's just that
Speaker 1: she loves the God. She knows that these two could be,
Speaker 1: you know, legendary. She could have a legendary love with
Speaker 1: this kid. You know, it could be wonderful. How long
Speaker 1: will it last? Though, That's the problem. It's just so
Speaker 1: much heart right now. She's worked so hard all these
Speaker 1: years to get to Yale and she's doing so well,
Speaker 1: and here's this kid, you know, and boy, these are
Speaker 1: the big life decisions that people have to make when
Speaker 1: they're very young and they're very difficult to do, and
Speaker 1: she's really struggling with it. I don't envy her position
Speaker 1: right now because she feels that kid and they're meant
Speaker 1: to be together and they could be great together, and
Speaker 1: you can just see it and feel it and want
Speaker 1: it to happen. But man, it could just blow up
Speaker 1: her life in ways she'll never be able to recover
Speaker 1: from Scott talk about talk about traumatic tension because her
Speaker 1: life can go two ways. Like think of the say
Speaker 1: she runs after him and off she goes. That changes
Speaker 1: the whole course of her life. But if she's deals
Speaker 1: with this heartache and goes back to Yale and does Yale,
Speaker 1: her life goes a totally different way. Logan anyway, and
Speaker 1: how is she going to feel? She never gives this
Speaker 1: a chance? Right, And ten fifteen years down the road,
Speaker 1: she's married, she's got a couple of kids, she's got
Speaker 1: a nice job in journalism, and she's kind of ho
Speaker 1: hum suburban life and she's not she loves her husband,
Speaker 1: but it ain't Jess, you know what I mean, there's
Speaker 1: only right, right, So there's all kinds of decisions to
Speaker 1: make right, Yeah, every you have, you you know, let's
Speaker 1: throw it back on YouTube ladies, Has there been a
Speaker 1: Jess in your life when you were young? That's such
Speaker 1: a good question, Thank you very much. I've had like
Speaker 1: fifty Jesse's and thank god I didn't thank god I
Speaker 1: didn't end up with any of them, because Jesse's can
Speaker 1: be bad. Although the problem is I know a year
Speaker 1: in the life, so it's like Jess isn't bad, but
Speaker 1: she should have ended up with Jess. That's probably would
Speaker 1: have been the great move for her, but at the
Speaker 1: time like Jesse's are bad. Yeah, Danielle, is your husband
Speaker 1: a Jess, a Logan or a Dean? You don't know Logan.
Speaker 1: I don't know Logan. I can't answer that. Claude Cannon
Speaker 1: your husband, I didn't answer. Jogin? Is that a thing's?
Speaker 1: A Jogin? Would be a Jogin would be the ultimate.
Speaker 1: He's a gene. Actually, how do you say all three?
Speaker 1: Because if you could all three? Yeah, if you could
Speaker 1: mine all three? Uh, Dean Jodan from the background, mss
Speaker 1: Msscott Patterson just crushed the podcast and she nailed it again. Three.
Speaker 1: We're literally tell her she's just now become iconic and
Speaker 1: we're going to use that constantly. That is so perfect
Speaker 1: because a Joe Gadin is the ultimate dude. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we have to start using that when we do Rapid
Speaker 1: Fire with guests. Oh my god, Wait, do you have
Speaker 1: favorite lines? I mean, I just loved the whole episode,
Speaker 1: so it's like, I don't know my favorite line minds
Speaker 1: from Emily in the beginning, she goes, Richard, I need
Speaker 1: a gimlet. That actually was so good and I just
Speaker 1: gotta squeeze this in. But honorable clown Pillow mentioned oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't even see it, but obviously came in hot
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the not the wife is probably
Speaker 1: I'm not the wife. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna. I don't
Speaker 1: usually want to usually recuse myself on favorite lines for Luke,
Speaker 1: but I think he delivered the coup de gras on
Speaker 1: this one when he said to Jess towards the end
Speaker 1: of that scene, that was so revealing um and referencing uh,
Speaker 1: referring to t J as he's a grown man with
Speaker 1: an I just catch. Oh yeah, that was a line. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I don't know whether we do one to ten
Speaker 1: kirkwalkie talkies or one to ten band aids, or I
Speaker 1: was gonna say one to ten AMC Ambassador Cars. Which
Speaker 1: one do you guys want to do? You want to
Speaker 1: do one to tend bloody hands? Ye want to bloody hands?
Speaker 1: What he said something? What did he say about his hand?
Speaker 1: I got a handful of Barbie? Well? Yeah? Does that mean? Sorry?
Speaker 1: It was probably really obvious and I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I heard there was there was a couple of lines.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's hand? You want to do? Bloody hands?
Speaker 1: Pop tarts? We had pop tarts? They were Barbie band aids. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you, Jackie, they were Barbie band aids. I get
Speaker 1: a handful of Barbie band I was saying, like barbed wire,
Speaker 1: look like Barbie like one to ten Kirkwalkie Talkies. No, okay,
Speaker 1: stop you pick, you pick. I'm sorry, I want to
Speaker 1: do I want to do List's earrings. No, no, I
Speaker 1: want to do one to ten um Ambassador cars. Okay,
Speaker 1: Ambassador cars? Okay, what the AMC Ambassadors? Okay you go?
Speaker 1: Oh you'll go last, Daniel, Do you want to go first? Sure?
Speaker 1: Nine point five? Nine? Ten? Wow. I just it's how
Speaker 1: many episodes in a row that have been perfection. I
Speaker 1: just think season four is showing not only is it
Speaker 1: a ten Rush Joe Gadine for life, for life. That's
Speaker 1: what we should have done. Okay, So what's next week?
Speaker 1: Season four, episode fourteen, The Incredible more than halfway through
Speaker 1: season four, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Well that's
Speaker 1: gonna rapid, folks. Uh yeah, welcome to the mountains. Are calling,
Speaker 1: the goats are yolding and I gotta get up there.
Speaker 1: I just gotta get up there. Well, I gotta strap
Speaker 1: on the skis and just get up that hill and
Speaker 1: then get down that hill and you can ski because
Speaker 1: later this week you've got interviews and pop culture. So
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