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Speaker 1: Your hosts Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us Taylor Stern and
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Hello everyone, and welcome into the SWBC Mortgage Studio.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm Taylor Stern, joined by Brian Rob Mickey
Speaker 1: here on a Thursday at the Star in Frisco. We're
Speaker 1: all very excited to get back to at and T
Speaker 1: Stadium this weekend as the Cowboys take on the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs in what's expected to be a great game.
Speaker 1: You hope, yes, possibly, sons, Zeke, So, how's everyone doing today? Wait?
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this son, Zeke without yeah, I
Speaker 1: know without that that I did pay a had No. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's a big word. But I think it's s A
Speaker 1: N s right, Thank you very much. I might use
Speaker 1: that one day, am I scouting report? Oh? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are we out of home runs? Here? We're out of
Speaker 1: home runs? Still stroking? Oh god, what Mickey? Just give
Speaker 1: us a Zeke update? What he said home run? You
Speaker 1: mean home runs by second circuit stuff? Yes? Are we
Speaker 1: are we out of home runs? No? There they because
Speaker 1: another one they asked for, another one asked for two?
Speaker 1: Actually are they? But you're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: hear this until after the game, right, they're asking for
Speaker 1: an emergency stay, so they ask just good pushing the
Speaker 1: court the way we're pushing. They asked for the other
Speaker 1: deal yesterday, which probably won't get hurt un till next week. Sure,
Speaker 1: but they're telling them the the harm of waiting in
Speaker 1: case they rule in their favor as he misses a
Speaker 1: game and he can't make that up. Right, So they're
Speaker 1: hoping to hear possibly by Friday, if they'll give him
Speaker 1: at least the stay until they render a decision on
Speaker 1: the appeal for the injunction. And the league is saying no.
Speaker 1: And the league is saying, there's no need to do
Speaker 1: this because everything's fair and there's a precedent that you know,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to poke your nose in this business.
Speaker 1: Could the league also argue that they, hey, we gave
Speaker 1: you the Giants game. They haven't brought that up because
Speaker 1: that would be bad because then it would they would
Speaker 1: be admitting that, well, we were okay with him playing
Speaker 1: a game. Good point, got a decision. Good point. That
Speaker 1: would not be in their favor. What happens with his
Speaker 1: check money? Of course they get paid on Tuesday. He
Speaker 1: was not here on Tuesday. Well he still he gets
Speaker 1: paid for the Washington game on Tuesday. Okay, so that
Speaker 1: it's interest. Yeah he wasn't Yeah, yeah, the six games
Speaker 1: is without paying. Next next Tuesday will be his well
Speaker 1: with his Kansas City check. When did the when did
Speaker 1: the the suspension didn't come down until Wednesday, I would
Speaker 1: sit or Tuesday night. I mean, now it was Wednesday.
Speaker 1: It was twenty four hours from the ruling. Right, let's
Speaker 1: just go have lunch with the payroll folks and they'll
Speaker 1: tell us it was Wednesday. So if he was on
Speaker 1: the roster, buy three o'clock on Tuesday, right, gets paid
Speaker 1: for this week? Right? Is it for this week? This game? Yes? Yes, week?
Speaker 1: This way? Yeah, okay, this week, this game, even if
Speaker 1: you don't play, like if you get released on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: if you were on the roster Tuesday, you get paid
Speaker 1: for this week. Not bad, only seventeen of those though, yeah,
Speaker 1: only seventeen. You got to manage a lot of money
Speaker 1: in those seventeen for a lot of for some guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're for seeing that most likely as it stands. Now,
Speaker 1: how what's your percentage that it's a hail mary. It's
Speaker 1: a hail mary like the one in the hallway, Roger, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's deeper than that. Is it deeper than
Speaker 1: every seventy yards? Not fifty? Where's no blocking? Yeah? Where's
Speaker 1: the second circuit located New York, New York? Then yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't think they're gonna hurry up and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're coming in and see if we can do this.
Speaker 1: Odds are long and the Jets game tonight. Sorry, and
Speaker 1: Judge Catherine she I mean, maybe she's out of it,
Speaker 1: I know, but but her ruling applies in terms of weight,
Speaker 1: and she took her time and you have that thick packet.
Speaker 1: She didn't take her time. Well, had that written or
Speaker 1: they even argument finish, finish. It was very emphatic, right,
Speaker 1: Nicky's on every point it ruled in the NFL. YEA,
Speaker 1: I saw somebody, this is the words you want to use.
Speaker 1: It was a clean sweep for sweep NFL. There you go.
Speaker 1: So if so, you know, if that carries weight with
Speaker 1: the second circuit, then yes, the odds are long. But
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't carry any weight with Judge Crotty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the luck of the draw. Yeah, it depends on
Speaker 1: who you get how they interpret it. And she understood
Speaker 1: nothing about the NFL, nothing but the labor. It was
Speaker 1: just labor. She understood, She understands labor, but she didn't
Speaker 1: understand irreparable harm. Right, she didn't understand that you don't
Speaker 1: get these games back. That yeah, you may get paid,
Speaker 1: you don't get them back, and that you know, all
Speaker 1: of this I'm not playing, you know, it has to
Speaker 1: do with you know, I can't say you're gonna do
Speaker 1: a good job and it's going to hurt your future
Speaker 1: because that depends on the rest of your offensive guys
Speaker 1: and the defense you're playing. Seriously, but Tay brings up
Speaker 1: money and it extends beyond the field, right, It's it's
Speaker 1: perception in the public eye. And how does she tire
Speaker 1: about that? How does that apply to endorsements and things
Speaker 1: like that. She ruled on the article we were talking about,
Speaker 1: That's what she ruled on forty six. So you know,
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw this brought up, and I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought of it this way, you know, because the nfl
Speaker 1: PA has been arguing that they should have been able
Speaker 1: to confront the accused user in the arbitration and they said, no,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have to do that, right. Well,
Speaker 1: I started thinking about that common law and it's like,
Speaker 1: but it was pointed out that she was very willing
Speaker 1: to talk to the NFL investigator. Yeah, and they didn't
Speaker 1: have to force her to come in, right. So my
Speaker 1: I'm I'm come to the conclusion that because the investigator
Speaker 1: after talking to her said not very credible, the last
Speaker 1: thing the NFL wants is her to be cross examined. Yep.
Speaker 1: That could have killed their case because isn't that basically
Speaker 1: what the DA and Columbus came to. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: putting here on trial, this this whole thing. I just
Speaker 1: don't know how you punish somebody when they haven't been
Speaker 1: charged with it. Yeah, I don't. That's that's what I
Speaker 1: don't get. You know, if you're going to be judge
Speaker 1: and jury, make sure that the really the highest court
Speaker 1: in the well, not the highest court in Land, but
Speaker 1: the United States Court if he may still get there
Speaker 1: by the Yeah, if they've if you've been charged, if
Speaker 1: you've been charged with a crime. Yeah, But you know,
Speaker 1: we're all we're all under that too, if you look
Speaker 1: at it, mean we're all under really the same guidelines
Speaker 1: of players. Oh no, by working it, you know, so
Speaker 1: if we do something wrong and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know we we want to and we have our
Speaker 1: day in court. Like with Jordan Lewis, you know, you
Speaker 1: go out, you clear your name that way, but you
Speaker 1: know that the ruling is I just find it. It's
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me that he wasn't charged with a crime.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel like there's gonna be a lockout once
Speaker 1: this thing's up because the union, the union is gonna
Speaker 1: want twenty twenty get ready? Yeah you race, yeah, some language,
Speaker 1: if the players are smart. Yeah, well but the problem
Speaker 1: is that this is the case right here that shows
Speaker 1: this is something's got to change. They're dealing with billionaires, billionaires,
Speaker 1: But will the players that are going through this now,
Speaker 1: players that are playing in right twenty one right see
Speaker 1: that's the kids that are playing in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: are in high school right now. You are dealing with billionaires.
Speaker 1: Yes you're not. The players aren't billionaires. Some players are
Speaker 1: Lebron James and people like that they're billionaires. But you
Speaker 1: mean you're it's it's hard for a guy making four
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five thousand dollars. I know this sounds
Speaker 1: crazy to sit there and say, okay, let's throw this
Speaker 1: all away. Let me throw this away so we can
Speaker 1: get labor, we can get our way here. But we
Speaker 1: just watched the Great World Series game last night. The
Speaker 1: Baseball Union is the most powerful in sports. Sure it is.
Speaker 1: I mean it does vary by sport. It does. Some
Speaker 1: unions more powerful than it does. And and and that's
Speaker 1: the that's the problem that the owners can stomach this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the owners can, you know why, because they'll lay us off.
Speaker 1: There'll be no talking cowboys or no break or whatever.
Speaker 1: They'll just lay us off. There's still there's still billionaires.
Speaker 1: The players. We'll see if the players have the gut,
Speaker 1: the gut, I mean the stomach to sit there and say, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: we'll strike. There's guys that can handle a strike. A
Speaker 1: quarterback making twelve fifteen million dollars a year can strike.
Speaker 1: A guy on the bottom of the roster might not
Speaker 1: be able to strike, you know that, and that might
Speaker 1: be very hard for him. You know, the players that
Speaker 1: there's in this league, there's a lot of hals and
Speaker 1: have nots. That's what this has all been created by.
Speaker 1: But the owners are billionaires. They've got the gut to
Speaker 1: be able to fight this. Yeah. So sort of like
Speaker 1: when I was in college. Huh you mean I was working.
Speaker 1: I was working in a factory and the commer to
Speaker 1: make money for college. Yea. And these guys decided to
Speaker 1: go on strike. No, I gotta warre you a union,
Speaker 1: union had to join. Yeah, you had to go get
Speaker 1: a card. I've done the same thing, mickey. I mean
Speaker 1: I had to go get a union card to go
Speaker 1: do with a summer job for LSU. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I all I was doing was sweeping floors. But I
Speaker 1: needed the money because I was trying to go back
Speaker 1: to school and these guys were These guys are like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're on strikee strip already start drinking beer at midnight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's some other story about a confrontation you had
Speaker 1: with somebody. We'll talk about that all. He had a
Speaker 1: confrontation with somebody. Shocking, amazing. No, but the people were
Speaker 1: driving by because we had to sit we had with
Speaker 1: the signs are strike death and some people are driving by,
Speaker 1: honking and rolling their windows on. Hey, your lazy bumbs
Speaker 1: go to work. It's kind of what we say every
Speaker 1: day to you in your tube. They say here, you know,
Speaker 1: I especially said Mick, He's right. In twenty twenty, this
Speaker 1: thing is gonna be We'll see who has the stomach
Speaker 1: to do it. It's gonna get ugly. It's gonna get ugly.
Speaker 1: But really, is it just because of this judicial court.
Speaker 1: It's got to be part of it. Yeah, it's gotta
Speaker 1: be another part of it. We'll see what happens. Was
Speaker 1: they appease the players by saying, Okay, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: make you practice as much. Yeah, not gonna make We're
Speaker 1: not gonna beat you up safety, but here's what we want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh yeah, fine, because it's not going
Speaker 1: to affect me because I'm going to do everything right. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the minute you do something wrong, it affects you. This
Speaker 1: one's this is going to be the number one point though,
Speaker 1: Commissioner Power and who knows if Roger Goodell will Steven
Speaker 1: be in powers? Yeah well no, maybe even this year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah, Condolisa Rice, I hope you get
Speaker 1: a shot at the Commissioner Beck. Yes, guys, why are
Speaker 1: you guys not believing in me and Mick. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be a team. Oh, co commission, Agnola, co commission. It
Speaker 1: does sound like a law firm Magnola's happening. So it's
Speaker 1: just hurtful. Will be the underdogs, Mickey, it's fine, yea,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, we do have to get into the
Speaker 1: guys that are playing. You got a game this week, right, you,
Speaker 1: We really do, and it seems like it's going to
Speaker 1: be here before you know it. But good news on
Speaker 1: some different things. Of course, everyone freaked out when they
Speaker 1: saw des and Tank on the practice report yesterday, but
Speaker 1: coach Garrett appeased to everyone today and he said not
Speaker 1: to worry. They were just limited with minor injuries. Days
Speaker 1: with the knee and Kyle Wilbert r. DeMarcus with the calf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something he talked about that. Lawrence was kind of dealing
Speaker 1: with that throughout. He was barking fine when I left
Speaker 1: the locker room talking with him going down the hallwood.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he was dreaming or dragging or like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a good treatment, Mickey. Yeah, those things going
Speaker 1: to get food. He was going to get food, food, eat, yeah, Tank,
Speaker 1: and then and then does thing you know, he's had,
Speaker 1: he gets he gets banged up. We've seen how he
Speaker 1: plays violent play. You know, he probably in the screen
Speaker 1: pasted it, got called back from holding banging around guys
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So yeah, as as long as
Speaker 1: as long as they're okay to practice, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And the good news though, Tan, I think you're going
Speaker 1: to get to his Cole Beasley p Yeah. Yeah. Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley of course did not practice yesterday under that's good protocol,
Speaker 1: but coach Garrett said he would be practicing today back
Speaker 1: in the will see what happens to him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if he passed. But the fact that he practices today
Speaker 1: I think is a great sign. And the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the regarding does team's not worried about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he missed a few reps, but it should be good.
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith practice, just get used to every Wednesday. Him
Speaker 1: not doing anything just yeah, I mean he's dealing with
Speaker 1: a back injury that he's come. No one asked about
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey because I think that we're not going to
Speaker 1: see any We're just assuming that he's out. Steven Jones
Speaker 1: said last week, Yeah, like four or more weeks. Get
Speaker 1: you have Fried Turkey Mickey when he gets back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Oh yeah, because of the short week, he's
Speaker 1: going to miss two games. Sure if he's not ready
Speaker 1: for Philadelphia, right, dude, go nuge all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Cheetah was interesting because yesterday coach gard said that
Speaker 1: he would be limited, but he was DNP So the
Speaker 1: Great One called it for another week. The great One
Speaker 1: is right, Mickey is the great one, Mickey Spagnola, the
Speaker 1: great One. Let's take a big Barnes plaque from upstairs
Speaker 1: and get the Great Gazoo, the great Gazoo, of course.
Speaker 1: Carl Wilburg. You guys know what kazoos are, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the little checking Yeah, what was that kazoo? How over?
Speaker 1: He was good to go on Sunday. He was full yesterday,
Speaker 1: so we're okay there. Now. On the opposite side, d Ford,
Speaker 1: someone that you probably saw a lot of dis and
Speaker 1: LSU football games. I did played for Alabama Auburn. Auburn.
Speaker 1: That's right. You're in the state. You're in the state.
Speaker 1: You're good. I was at his national championship that he lost. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: now is back DMP which not sad about that because
Speaker 1: he was very strong on Monday night. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: He's a rush guy. That's his This thing you we
Speaker 1: talk about Mickey, was it thin butt guys? Is that what?
Speaker 1: He's skinny but guys skinny but guy get around the corner.
Speaker 1: You know, he's Uh, he's one of those players too
Speaker 1: when you when you look at with Justin Houston, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of rush. They they brought back
Speaker 1: Tumbaholly to practice. I saw Tambaholly's practice. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he'll play this week, which we'll see, but yeah,
Speaker 1: Heuston and I are he was he was a pup
Speaker 1: is what he was? A pup guy. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: has not played yet. So d Ford though, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: with the back. I will venture to say that Dfour
Speaker 1: plays in this football game. Yeah. I think they're probably
Speaker 1: trying to rust him much like what we see. But
Speaker 1: he is a he's an edge rusher. He's a quick
Speaker 1: edge rusher. He's one of those guys that he'll get
Speaker 1: a sack and then you won't see him for like
Speaker 1: eight plays. Yeah, that's kind of a player he is. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but you know, they really don't have that many guys
Speaker 1: on their practice report truly. You know, they've been fairly
Speaker 1: healthy and of course, maybe you're right. The other day
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey did look like he was limping out sint
Speaker 1: quarter but finished just fine. Yeah, I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to worry man. Defensive lineman shouldn't have double last names.
Speaker 1: Were you looking at Dwarveney, Laurent Devernay, Tariff Tardiff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great name, a regal sert. He's like ard.
Speaker 1: You know what though, the problems that they have is
Speaker 1: their offense has masked a lot of their defensive problems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, defensively they've they've been like a high takeaway defense,
Speaker 1: very active in recent years. Run defense has been an
Speaker 1: issue for him. It has been you think, you know, Matt,
Speaker 1: you said mass that's a good word. Five takeaways the
Speaker 1: other night, but they allowed one hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 1: rushing yards. Yeah, so they ran thirty. Yeah with that personnel,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They have really struggled. They have.
Speaker 1: You know, they're one of the teams too that you
Speaker 1: look at they give up their lasting league and give
Speaker 1: them up first downs. I mean, teams have found the
Speaker 1: way to move the ball in them that teams have
Speaker 1: made big plays. The pass rush. We talk about Houston
Speaker 1: the matchup with Lyle Collins. How big will that be?
Speaker 1: You know? I think the Cowboys can move the football.
Speaker 1: Can you get it's gonna come down? Can you get
Speaker 1: some stops? Right? Can you make Alex Smith hold the
Speaker 1: football and get stops? You're probably not gonna get turnovers.
Speaker 1: They're not going to give you a turnover, but can
Speaker 1: you get them off the field on third down? Can
Speaker 1: you not get a roughing the passer penalty? Can you
Speaker 1: not get a defensive holding penalty? Can you not get
Speaker 1: something that when you do get off the field that
Speaker 1: you don't get thrown back on the field. Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: and then they're tough. They're tough. And I asked Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett this question today about it about having to you know,
Speaker 1: prep for so much, you know, with what they do,
Speaker 1: you know offensively, he says, Hey, there's some real things
Speaker 1: you have to deal with. You know, there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of ghosts, but the ghosts are real. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, defensively, can they do enough that that's really
Speaker 1: where this game is gonna because I feel like Dallas
Speaker 1: can move the ball on him, I really really even
Speaker 1: you know, running the football, if the offensive line plays
Speaker 1: like we've seen for a quarter in two games. If
Speaker 1: we still get the hat on hat running tough, if
Speaker 1: you get Rod Smith going, if you get Morris going.
Speaker 1: I think those are two primary guys. But you need
Speaker 1: you're gonna need that. You're gonna need to keep You're
Speaker 1: going to keep your quarterback from having to throw a ton.
Speaker 1: But even if he has to throw in this game,
Speaker 1: I feel like he can make some plays. I really
Speaker 1: really do. Yeah. It kind of reminds me of the
Speaker 1: Green Bay game a little bit. The matchup in terms
Speaker 1: of defensively. I think the Cowboys offensively, they felt like
Speaker 1: they can move the ball score points against green Bay's defense,
Speaker 1: and they did. But there there was the Rogers factor
Speaker 1: and a guy that doesn't turn it over much. And
Speaker 1: it's not just out Smith, I mean it is. They
Speaker 1: have an amazing array of weapons, Yes, and I think
Speaker 1: they to your point, they have three turnovers this entire season,
Speaker 1: which is pretty much unheard of. Yeah. Just don't drop
Speaker 1: a ball for an interception that's returned for a touchdown. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We are back here in the SWBC Mortgage studio and
Speaker 1: before we went to break I was telling you guys
Speaker 1: different things. Of course, players are talking in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Different people are talking. Yesterday we had Keith Smith on
Speaker 1: cover four. Yeah, good times. You know. He asked us
Speaker 1: and he kind of looked at us because here we
Speaker 1: are kind of telling him everything about the Chiefs, telling
Speaker 1: him about, hey, you know they've had eight touchdowns for
Speaker 1: fifty plus yards. They you know, done all these different things.
Speaker 1: Zero interceptions from Alex. I think he guess you guys
Speaker 1: worried about no. Zeke and me and Dave and Lindsay
Speaker 1: were kind of like, no, this was kind of an
Speaker 1: ore show and you're like, okay, yeah, And he was like,
Speaker 1: why I think we have a great one two punch
Speaker 1: and Alfred Morrison, Darren McFadden. He's like, they both do
Speaker 1: different things, and then you throw in Rod Smith, who's
Speaker 1: completely different than all three. Yeah, He's like, that's hard
Speaker 1: to prepare for. He's like, I know, I was a linebacker, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't prepare for these different obstacles that they're going
Speaker 1: to give you. You know, you have someone like Alfred Morris.
Speaker 1: I think you were reading some of the tweets that
Speaker 1: people were sending in yesterday as they were replying to
Speaker 1: your Twitter pool, and that was kind of their thing.
Speaker 1: It's like each has their own thing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the one about Alfred was he can get skinny,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of that guy who can slide between
Speaker 1: the tackles and and and be that inside runner. If
Speaker 1: it's small, yeah, we'll get the gaps and cracks and gratty,
Speaker 1: right every type guy. Yeah, that's a great point. And
Speaker 1: coming from Keith Smith, that's I mean, they all kind
Speaker 1: of bring something different to the table. Keith Smith, when
Speaker 1: you're in there, they go dig those linebackers out, you know,
Speaker 1: go get go, get you some Derek Johnson, you know,
Speaker 1: go go be that guy because they're gonna need it's
Speaker 1: a different way of running the football. It is the
Speaker 1: offensive line they block the way they do, but it's
Speaker 1: the back is a special back, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: And he has a unique running style, you know, his
Speaker 1: ability to make people missed, the ability to finish runs,
Speaker 1: the ability to finish runs you know down the field.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, that's they they've they've got to
Speaker 1: get it going where if it's four or five yards
Speaker 1: a shot running the football, that's gonna be good enough.
Speaker 1: That is gonna be good enough. But they can't take
Speaker 1: they can't have guys dancing in the hole and when
Speaker 1: the hole's there and then not do anything, you know,
Speaker 1: not be aggressive attacking. That's why again I've talked about
Speaker 1: rod Smith. Think rod Smith is crazy enough just to
Speaker 1: take the ball and run. You know there's something too.
Speaker 1: Just take it and run, don't don't try and make
Speaker 1: a cut, don't try and just just take it and
Speaker 1: go forward as hard as you can. And if you
Speaker 1: get with this offensive line, if they hit it the
Speaker 1: right way, it's a four and five yard a game.
Speaker 1: You can deal with that. Dak Prescott can deal with
Speaker 1: second and six, second and five all day long. It's
Speaker 1: when it's second and nine, second and ten then it
Speaker 1: makes it a lot more difficult for him. You're also
Speaker 1: saying that physical tone can give some juice to the
Speaker 1: rest of the offense. Of the way Zeke kind of
Speaker 1: sets that physical tone for this group. It makes the
Speaker 1: tight ends better. You see receivers down field blocking, You
Speaker 1: see skinny butt guys like eighty three, you know, Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams down field blocking. You know that that that that
Speaker 1: that's the kind of juice that you're team. It could
Speaker 1: help your defense, you know, if you're physically beating up
Speaker 1: on Kansas City, Yeah, that gives your defense some confidence. Hey,
Speaker 1: the offense has come to play today. In the offense,
Speaker 1: you know, Mickey's asked him, Hey, go score points. They
Speaker 1: have scored points. They've they've given them opportunity to play
Speaker 1: in these games because they have scored points. Should be
Speaker 1: seven and one or six and one against the who
Speaker 1: against everybody they played. They should be six and one
Speaker 1: right now with what the offense has done so far.
Speaker 1: Denver sens Denver and six and one. Yeah, the Denver
Speaker 1: game was bad. That you gave away the Rams game
Speaker 1: and gave away and the Packers. You gave those two
Speaker 1: games away. So now you're fighting. You're in a hole.
Speaker 1: You got to fight out of the hole. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, is it is it going to be? Is it? They?
Speaker 1: They've protected themselves with these backs. Young guys have stepped up,
Speaker 1: you know nothing. Again, I keep saying this because I
Speaker 1: don't mean this as a slam to the other guys,
Speaker 1: but young guys have stepped up before for this team.
Speaker 1: You know, Rod Smith, go be a young guy and
Speaker 1: go step up. Go. You know they use you four
Speaker 1: or five players a game. You know, go play thirty plays. Now,
Speaker 1: go play twenty five places and whatever you have to do,
Speaker 1: be a difference maker in those twenty five places. I
Speaker 1: need you for six weeks, man, I need you to
Speaker 1: be a mean nasty soob for six weeks. That's what
Speaker 1: I really need. But what's funny is that, yes he's young,
Speaker 1: but this is his third season in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he has very little running little Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: that maybe that's an advantage. Maybe he's not. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we saw in San Francisco, though, his
Speaker 1: willingness to run the football. Yeah, saw it's willingness to
Speaker 1: run the football. In the preseason. I said this in
Speaker 1: the break. He reminds me a little of Barber, Marry
Speaker 1: and Barber when he gets here and he's built violence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a bigger back. He's built kind of like another
Speaker 1: Buckeye Eddie George. Not comparing the two runners, but yeah,
Speaker 1: jeff right, yeah, but a Barber type guy where he's
Speaker 1: going to come at you and force three guys to
Speaker 1: tackle him, like he's that type of physical downhill runner.
Speaker 1: And then you get three yards, well, and then you
Speaker 1: get four yards and yeah you get maybe yeah, I
Speaker 1: see where you're going there. Yeah, and then you're starting
Speaker 1: to wear him down. Have somebody though they're going to
Speaker 1: go twenty six. That's my concern. Okay, yeah, that's fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair. But we haven't seen. But he also ripped
Speaker 1: off a big run. Barbara ran season one hundred yards
Speaker 1: in the first half against the Giants in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, and all it did is get him beat
Speaker 1: the playoff game. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. It sounds like
Speaker 1: someone's a little bit sad he wasn't a Barber fan
Speaker 1: when he was here. Right now, the twenty four jersey
Speaker 1: Everson Walls. Yeah yeah. Let me ask you this though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: four or five yards is shot good enough for dak
Speaker 1: It depends on how Kansas City plays it. If Kansas
Speaker 1: City says, go ahead and have four, Yeah, have three, Oh,
Speaker 1: they'll give it a naturally, they'll they'll they'll not given
Speaker 1: you eighty. Yeah, they'll naturally. But see there. But the
Speaker 1: two also as well. Cowboys inside the scoring, inside the
Speaker 1: thirty again, Eric comes back to four point plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we kicked field goals last week because it's good enough,
Speaker 1: because because the Washington Redskins could not protect their quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: But you need those four point plays. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a key in this How many four point plays
Speaker 1: do you have? And it's it sounds funny, but when
Speaker 1: I say four point I mean take the field goal.
Speaker 1: You know that's and you want to get the you
Speaker 1: want to get the touchdown because we're assuming Nugent's gonna
Speaker 1: make all Yeah, we're assuming it's indoors. We're assuming money, Mike. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying, though, you need you need those
Speaker 1: four point plays in this guest, because Kansas City can
Speaker 1: four point play you. Yeah, you know you. And it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be rough. I mean it's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's gonna not look pretty for the Cowboys defensively
Speaker 1: until they can figure something out. I really believe that.
Speaker 1: But their offense has got to help them. Their offense
Speaker 1: has got to help them in this football game and
Speaker 1: try and protect them the best they can, at least
Speaker 1: these first six weeks. Yeah, this kind of remarked me
Speaker 1: all the way back six weeks two fifteen season when
Speaker 1: you had and this could be a completely separate game,
Speaker 1: so bear with me, But when the Cowboys played the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons in like week three or week four of
Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen season, it was Brandon Weedon, it was
Speaker 1: Joseph Randall, yes, and it was offense first offense type thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and of course very comparable to the Broncos
Speaker 1: game and different things like that. But Joseph Randall, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Joseph Randa went off, had a great game, eighty
Speaker 1: something yards right up, twenty one seven and a half,
Speaker 1: and then you know, their defense just started picking away
Speaker 1: at the defense and figuring out their secondary head holes.
Speaker 1: And it kind of makes me nervous there. But you know,
Speaker 1: we'll have to see. I do have five matchups of
Speaker 1: the game that I wanted to talk to you guys
Speaker 1: about specifically. Some of them we've already touched on, but
Speaker 1: maybe we can elaborate a little bit. Of course. The
Speaker 1: first one that I'm looking at is justin Houston versus
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins. You brought it up a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1: How will Lyo Collins fair against this big guy? That's
Speaker 1: another tough matchup for him. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a tougher matchup than on Miller or even carrigan um,
Speaker 1: but he's another top pass rusher guy. Re surprised that
Speaker 1: they didn't give him a little more chip help last week.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted him to. They did they prepare
Speaker 1: for it. I think they did, but was it something
Speaker 1: that they said, no, let's just go ahead and go
Speaker 1: one on one here. Let's just try and see if
Speaker 1: we can get through. I thought initially what happens to Collins.
Speaker 1: It's correct me if I'm wrong here, But I've noticed this.
Speaker 1: When he has one bad play, it kind of mushrooms
Speaker 1: into another bad play, and then and then he kind
Speaker 1: of catches himself and then things start to get a
Speaker 1: little bit better, and it's like, so, okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a confidence thing or it's like bad technique,
Speaker 1: bad technique, good technique, good technique. And now now he's
Speaker 1: back to all in any of herverts back to maybe
Speaker 1: a bad technique play, get a position switch, position switch.
Speaker 1: But but I think that to me, Kerrigan and Houston
Speaker 1: are similar guys in this in this regard because of
Speaker 1: the ability to capture the edge. Where Karagan I think
Speaker 1: is better than Houston is Houston doesn't always finish. Karagan
Speaker 1: is a Carrigan's relentless, and Karagan will just keep coming
Speaker 1: at coming down. They both break you down. But Kerrigan's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that he just keeps going and
Speaker 1: even if he's blocked, he keeps I've seen Houston some
Speaker 1: when he's blocked just kind of you know, oh, let's jump,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's be at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Let's let's chase the ball, you know, not really where
Speaker 1: Karagan is like he's even when the ball's gone, he's
Speaker 1: like right next to your quarterback. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 1: hopefully Colin's you know, it's gonna be all about those hands,
Speaker 1: about the feet and his ability to to kind of
Speaker 1: be patient and not lunge and go and overextended or
Speaker 1: get that arm up where he's hooking the guy. You know,
Speaker 1: that's when when he misses with his hands, you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the hook around the neck. That's that's
Speaker 1: something he's got to avoid. What do you think about it, Mick,
Speaker 1: Just give him help if he can't do it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't be stubborn, give him Yeah, I think, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a fair point. Out of times they're
Speaker 1: stubborn and it's like, Okay, he'll he'll do it. I
Speaker 1: still think he'll do it. Well, he's gonna do it,
Speaker 1: and then they're sacked, and then there I got three sacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just to help him out if if he
Speaker 1: can't do it. That's why he's on the right side
Speaker 1: right now, right helpe the big guy Marcus Peters versus
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant does has not had a one hundred yard
Speaker 1: vers seaving game this season. Well, he have won this weekend.
Speaker 1: It gets a corner like Peters, Peter stays on one
Speaker 1: side of the field. He does, he does, and he
Speaker 1: plays a lot of off coverage, which means if you
Speaker 1: allow Dez Bryant free access inside, he will wear your
Speaker 1: rear out that because you better be willing to tackle.
Speaker 1: You better be willing to tackle him. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Peters doesn't wants nothing to do with tackling. But now
Speaker 1: he ripped the ball loose the other day I was
Speaker 1: watching the in the Denver game. He ripped the ball loose.
Speaker 1: So you gotta be worried about him standing around piles
Speaker 1: and just going in there and trying to horse the
Speaker 1: ball out. But he plays on one side, so they
Speaker 1: could match up. They could avoid putting Dez to his size,
Speaker 1: not that you know you want to always do that,
Speaker 1: but they can move Dez around. I think they'll move
Speaker 1: Dez around. But yeah, if Peterson, if Peters gives him
Speaker 1: inside access, free access and then tries to rally on
Speaker 1: every throw. Then Dez Bryant's going to have a pretty
Speaker 1: good game catching footballs. Yeah, it's gonna be a bit
Speaker 1: of craziness. Yeah. So I think everyone's excited to see
Speaker 1: Des kind of have that big breakout game this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and storing touchdowns. Yeah. What you said about off coverage
Speaker 1: is interesting because Dez is indefensible over the middle of
Speaker 1: the field those routes. I mean that's his Anything going inside, yeah,
Speaker 1: anything going inside, big body guy, go inside. Free access
Speaker 1: to him is glorious. Yeah. I mean if I was
Speaker 1: playing Dez Brian every day and I wasn't very good,
Speaker 1: I at least stand in front and be a speedball.
Speaker 1: I would make him have to adjust on me to
Speaker 1: get to the route, is what I would do. But
Speaker 1: some teams won't. Yeah, all right, next matchup, I'd like
Speaker 1: to know more about Tyreek Hill versus Orlando Scandrick. Of course,
Speaker 1: Skandrick had a great game last weekend, but this is
Speaker 1: a bigger guy in Tyreek Hill. Yeah, Mickey, you think
Speaker 1: your guy Scandy can do it. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: need some help. Who can help him? Well, they're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to zone Sometimes it's not gonna be man
Speaker 1: to man all the time. Yeah, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: play zone over the top. They're gonna have to use
Speaker 1: linebackers to help out. But again, if you're not stopping
Speaker 1: the run and the linebackers can't help you, yeah, Mickey's right.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see some deacon in this game.
Speaker 1: Three man line and make him try and hold the
Speaker 1: football and then rallied to him. Hopefully your pass rush,
Speaker 1: which is become a strength of yours, Hopefully your pass
Speaker 1: rush can take advantage. They've got a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: with the exception of some migeries they've had inside at
Speaker 1: the center guard spot. I think the tackles are pretty good.
Speaker 1: But I'm interested to see if they played deacon and
Speaker 1: make Alex Smith have to check the ball down and
Speaker 1: hold the football and see if they can get rush
Speaker 1: home that way. The only thing thing that concerns me
Speaker 1: about the deacon is what we saw really towards the
Speaker 1: end of that Green Bay game. They caught them in
Speaker 1: some running plays, yes, with only a three man line right,
Speaker 1: and kind of chewed them up on that Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: on that last drive. So that's kind of the risk
Speaker 1: you take when you run that package you do, yes,
Speaker 1: and they've got to be able to stop the run
Speaker 1: against this team. Mickey's right about that. Yeah, both you guys,
Speaker 1: you have to stop the run, but they also have
Speaker 1: to stop Travis Kelsey versus Byron Jones. We talked about
Speaker 1: this one a little bit yesterday, but I want to
Speaker 1: dive more into it because, well, Byron Jones be Byron
Speaker 1: owned this weekend. Oh like that. I'm with Mickey the
Speaker 1: same thing Mickey said about Tyreek Hill. I think you
Speaker 1: can't ask Byron to cover him just man. Yeah, down
Speaker 1: after down, there's gotta be some some change up, some zone,
Speaker 1: some things that kind of help him out a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's as tough of mismatch tight end as there
Speaker 1: is in the league. I throw not getting pressure right,
Speaker 1: this guy can run across the field and sure eventually
Speaker 1: gonna get open. Yeah, that's the thing you have to
Speaker 1: where he coach said it today too. He lines up
Speaker 1: in a lot of different spots. He's in line, he's flexed,
Speaker 1: he's slot, he's outside, he's in the backfield. There's all
Speaker 1: these places they put him because they know he's a
Speaker 1: mismatched player. So I don't think it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. But I like the thought about a big,
Speaker 1: a bigger guy matching up that knows how to play
Speaker 1: those guys. But I think you're gonna see I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of linebackers on him. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna also see another safety too. It might
Speaker 1: be Jeff Heath. You know, Jeff Heath at times has
Speaker 1: shown the ability to cover tight ends down low, and
Speaker 1: so if that's the case, I don't think it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. They're gonna They're not gonna give them
Speaker 1: just one guy. They're gonna throw a lot of different
Speaker 1: looks at him and see if they can slow him
Speaker 1: down that way. That makes me feel a little bit better. Lastly,
Speaker 1: kareem hunt for Sean Lee. You've talked about it, Mick,
Speaker 1: You've said they need to stop the run. Can they
Speaker 1: stop the run against this rookie running back who just
Speaker 1: thinks that he is the bomb? Well, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to deal with the Cowboys linebackers. I like the fact
Speaker 1: that Sean Lee is on the field, but those guys
Speaker 1: up front have a lot to do with it. It's
Speaker 1: not just they're not out there doing a running drill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey said this yesterday. This will be the big test
Speaker 1: about is the one technique and the three technique switch
Speaker 1: gonna play to fruition here? You know, is it going
Speaker 1: to be, Hey, Colin's playing that one and then David
Speaker 1: Irman playing the three. Will they be able to stop
Speaker 1: the run with that combination. It'd be a big, big
Speaker 1: test for them, though. Got to keep these linebackers clean.
Speaker 1: Let them run to the football. There's a lot of speed.
Speaker 1: There's the Cowboys and the Chiefs run the ball similar
Speaker 1: and this way you'll see a lot of pulling guards centers.
Speaker 1: You'll see guys always on the move. So if they
Speaker 1: can sneak through, maybe pull behind a pulling guy, maybe
Speaker 1: dive into a crack, beat a block that's coming backside
Speaker 1: to him, tackle for loss, get bodies to the back
Speaker 1: before he has a chance to get going, and make
Speaker 1: sure you got the backside covered ball. That ball will
Speaker 1: breaking back out your technique technique. Absolutely, We just gave
Speaker 1: a lot of good insight. But you know, the Steelers
Speaker 1: obviously were able to kind of stop it. Got bodies
Speaker 1: up field, got bodies up field, That's what they did.
Speaker 1: The Steelers did a nice job of playing their guys
Speaker 1: a little wider, but getting guys up the field. And
Speaker 1: and that's if if if you're gonna pull lineman, linebackers
Speaker 1: have got to be ready to run through and then
Speaker 1: defensive linemen have got to be able to attack the
Speaker 1: gap and then close to the ball. Don't go don't
Speaker 1: beat the block and the gap and then go straight
Speaker 1: up the field, go to where the ball is going
Speaker 1: to be. Is that part of the system a little
Speaker 1: bit in Marianoias system with the lineman that just get penetration,
Speaker 1: get upfield, and then the linebackers have to clean it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot. A lot of it is they want
Speaker 1: to they want to be disruptive in the running game
Speaker 1: that way by the penetration and forced guys to have
Speaker 1: to adjust on the move. And yeah, that but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's about getting those down linemen to where
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And like Mickey said, get the linebackers
Speaker 1: like Lee Hitchens Wilson. Wilson can't be missing tackles in
Speaker 1: this game if they're playing some bass stuff. Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have a comparable personnel similar to the Steelers
Speaker 1: to Well, now that's three four four three. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: really a little bit different there. It's just too far.
Speaker 1: But you know, you have you have guys, but you
Speaker 1: have guys like a little bit wider with the outside
Speaker 1: linebackers and stuff like that. Usually outside linebackers are like
Speaker 1: defensive ends. So that's how the Steelers used to use
Speaker 1: the outside linebackers to control in the running game. And
Speaker 1: you know teams go nickel a lot, which usually means
Speaker 1: a four, right, you know, it's three to four bass.
Speaker 1: And again Brian mentioned the Deacon Packers. Cowboys will go
Speaker 1: with three down line at times. So variations talks about
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been really good when they blitz quarterbacks. The
Speaker 1: quarterback ratings are terrible when they play the Cowboys blitz. Again,
Speaker 1: there's another quarterback. We talked about it last week with Cousins.
Speaker 1: You know another quarterback that's very highly rated when he
Speaker 1: faces blitz. But you know, if I'm the Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: still find ways to try and get guys home, whether
Speaker 1: it's games up front, you know, make sure if you're
Speaker 1: running twist games, if you're running linebackers through, if it's
Speaker 1: Scandrick slot blitz, make sure you throw stuff at him
Speaker 1: just because this guy complete has a high rating as
Speaker 1: a facing blitz You're pretty damned strong, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the tops in the league. When you blitz people,
Speaker 1: getting people home, go for it. They need to not
Speaker 1: play catch on defense. They need to be aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid. Oh they got this guy and that
Speaker 1: guy and this weapon. Go after them. Yeah, make them play,
Speaker 1: make them adjust to what you're doing. It's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And I just think this catch Box, this is a
Speaker 1: team they need to be aggressive against. Yeah. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying blitzing all the time because they got burned
Speaker 1: on one of the blitzes. Yeah in that game against
Speaker 1: Washington forty one yard play. Yeah, yeah, exactly, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think they have to be judicious, but be aggressive. Right,
Speaker 1: absolutely great points. All right, Well, we're going to take
Speaker 1: our final break here in the s to BBC Mortgage studio.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll have Rob's Twitter poll and
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Speaker 1: All right, we've been talking running backs. I give up
Speaker 1: on this poll. I'd look for it for ten minutes
Speaker 1: and couldn't find you. Well, let me fill you in. Okay,
Speaker 1: which is the deepest position on the Cowboys roster? Is
Speaker 1: it running back? Or is it some others? I gave
Speaker 1: three other options besides the better be running back, kale back,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, tight end, defensive line, and we can certainly
Speaker 1: welcome right ends if you don't agree thoughts, Brian, I
Speaker 1: went with the I went with the tight end spot. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you know what's funny and as I as I
Speaker 1: and I didn't vote, and I apologize for not voting
Speaker 1: on that one. But the tight end spot. I wish
Speaker 1: James Hannah was playing a little bit better as a blocker,
Speaker 1: but I think the depths there, I really really do.
Speaker 1: I like your witness done a nice job of course
Speaker 1: catching the football. We talk about him as a blocker.
Speaker 1: They've had several plays this year where he's been really
Speaker 1: good at that. I think Jeff Slam is a really
Speaker 1: an underutilized guy in this in this offense passing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd like to see you know, the other day he
Speaker 1: ran he ran a guts route, I mean right right
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field with all that traffic,
Speaker 1: and it made a nice catch and he caught it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put the ball right on him. You know. I think
Speaker 1: that you use him in the waggles, the boots, the stuff.
Speaker 1: He's an underrated blocker. So yeah, I know that's a
Speaker 1: long explanation. I'm sorry, but I just feel like that's
Speaker 1: kind of the deepest position if you ask me of
Speaker 1: the quality from the top guy too. And I know
Speaker 1: it's only four players, right because they got they got
Speaker 1: you know, they got the new guy Jarwin on the roster.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll go with that. Swain has been kind
Speaker 1: of a fourth and one guy for him too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I'm a Jes Swain fan, I really am.
Speaker 1: You said running back wasn't a choice? Is a choice? Oh?
Speaker 1: It is a choice. Yeah, That's that's where the poll
Speaker 1: came from. Is this the is that the deepest position
Speaker 1: on this roster? Is there something else? Like? Is how
Speaker 1: much faith is there in this backup running back group
Speaker 1: ready to find out. I had voted for the tight
Speaker 1: ends as well, but you know, you could argue that
Speaker 1: the wide receivers. You have so many wide receivers as well.
Speaker 1: You know, every week we're looking at is Noah Brown
Speaker 1: going to be active or inactive? Because they carried more
Speaker 1: than good point. You know, most people thought they would
Speaker 1: going into the sea, and so you know, I could
Speaker 1: definitely say tight end because you don't worry about it
Speaker 1: per se. Of course that might change in the off season,
Speaker 1: you never know, but it stands right now. I think
Speaker 1: tight end is definitely your deepest one. I like wide
Speaker 1: receiver too, because you saw Beasley go down in the
Speaker 1: game last week and then here comes Switzer playing that
Speaker 1: kind of slot role. Yeah, makes a catch in the
Speaker 1: second half. I mean, they have guys that can that
Speaker 1: can get open to make plays. Mick running back, running back,
Speaker 1: you got faith in these guys. Okay, Well, the fans
Speaker 1: agree fifty nine percent say running back. Tight end was
Speaker 1: second at sixteen percent. Wishful thinking on the running back
Speaker 1: see their voice of the fans. Yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 1: no one ever said that about you. They pay the bills.
Speaker 1: Mick let's put it this way. Jason Witten goes down
Speaker 1: who's taking care of tight end on a fifty play basis? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that I think that they would go with
Speaker 1: I think that they would go with Hannah and Swain, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, but both of them or which guy? I
Speaker 1: think that. I think if you look at overall, they
Speaker 1: all play, they all and they all play. Well, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I look at it is okay when
Speaker 1: I when I have Witten, you could I think he
Speaker 1: could kind of say that a lot of positions. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking at me when you say when you say deep,
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking I'm taking the top guy off now,
Speaker 1: who's filling in? Like you certainly wouldn't say quarterbacks? More
Speaker 1: questions about okay, And I haven't feel under this answer.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be as smart. You know what,
Speaker 1: but if you take you're gonna take Elliott out of
Speaker 1: this game, you feel better about that than if you
Speaker 1: took Witton off the field? About who's playing behind you
Speaker 1: feel better about who's playing behind Zeke or who's playing
Speaker 1: behind Witten behind Zeke. Yeah, I don't know what those guys.
Speaker 1: Those guys have never had to handle the whole deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the right they've always been what twenty thirty plays
Speaker 1: a game. See, that's the argument I had. We've seen
Speaker 1: the thing with even the guy that we know had
Speaker 1: a thousand yards season here is really third fiddle if
Speaker 1: you think about it. Mc fadden. Yeah, yeah, but at
Speaker 1: least these guys we've seen him now, I've seen him
Speaker 1: play a whole game. I haven't seen those guys play
Speaker 1: a whole game. Well, I mean they've they they play.
Speaker 1: They play quite a bit though. Twelve personnel, thirteen personnel,
Speaker 1: I mean they I mean they they play. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they're they're they're kind who has supplemental players? Who has
Speaker 1: more success rate? Who? Well, who's more successful at their jobs? Well,
Speaker 1: Swain's got three catches, Yeah, More's got eight carries, right right?
Speaker 1: I know I doesn't come off the field. Zeke doesn't
Speaker 1: come off the field. Yeah. See that's the thing about it.
Speaker 1: So maybe there's the receivers. Maybe if you if you
Speaker 1: really break the stack to top off of that, well,
Speaker 1: Deiss has shown he can step in and make downfield plays.
Speaker 1: I think Switzer to me is a pretty polished slot
Speaker 1: guy for a rookie. If something were to happen to
Speaker 1: Beasley and sounds like we haven't seen it. I saw
Speaker 1: little bit in the last game. One ran a nice
Speaker 1: risk catch. Yeah, was a good play for third down.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But take see, you would never trust Terence
Speaker 1: Williams to be the one here? Would you take Deaz out?
Speaker 1: Some teams thought that they could, you know, in free agency,
Speaker 1: they thought that Terrence Williams could be a one. I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think we thought that that.
Speaker 1: I think, but he thought. I'll take blame on that.
Speaker 1: I'll raise my hand. I thought people would I thought
Speaker 1: people would make a run at Terrence Williams. They didn't.
Speaker 1: They absolutely didn't make a run at him. You know.
Speaker 1: And a matter of fact, some of the top receivers
Speaker 1: in the league that people might think are better that
Speaker 1: prior kid last week. Prior didn't get it. Prior didn't
Speaker 1: get a huge offer. A lot of those receivers signed
Speaker 1: one year deals. Deshaun Watson is I mean not Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson is having issues in Yeah, Tampa Bay. All
Speaker 1: these guys signed one year deals. But the exception of
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams, who signed a four year deal. Four year
Speaker 1: see Terence Williams got paid in a way that the
Speaker 1: other guys didn't get any smart Yeah, he got his money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these other guys on one year deal aren't exactly lighten
Speaker 1: it up. Whether you like it or not. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: believe that Terence Williams could be a one by the
Speaker 1: way they pay him, don't they think, Mick, I think
Speaker 1: they paid him like a two. I think they did
Speaker 1: not pay him like a one. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: he made a very whoever advised him because right now
Speaker 1: Washington's trying to get rid of prior. Yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: playing him. Yeah, you know, well, how's he gonna Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna leave in eight weeks anyway, Yeah, and how's
Speaker 1: that gonna look in free agency when the next team comes? Well,
Speaker 1: what did you do for me last year? Kind of
Speaker 1: like the same thing the Cowboys guys released all those
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So to me, I I still like
Speaker 1: the tight end sing. But Mickey makes a good point
Speaker 1: about the Runners. I mean, I think you're more sure
Speaker 1: about the Runners than you are Indy position. If you
Speaker 1: had to go, if you and saying, hey take that
Speaker 1: guy away from take that guy away, who do you
Speaker 1: have behind him? In depth wise, who do you feel
Speaker 1: the absolute best about see because we really see somebody
Speaker 1: play with his role. So when they go to tight ends,
Speaker 1: you know, the other teams looking at Witten and those
Speaker 1: guys can slip out there and they probably don't get
Speaker 1: as much attention. Now, what happens if they're Witten? Can
Speaker 1: they do it? Yeah? I haven't seen it. That's the
Speaker 1: only reason I would swear that they would swear Rico
Speaker 1: Gathers could, I was right. I would go with the
Speaker 1: running backs just based off of what these guys have
Speaker 1: accomplished in their careers and watching Rod Smith, he looks
Speaker 1: like a really promising young back. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: a lot of depth behind an All Pro running back
Speaker 1: who is arguably the best back in the league. So
Speaker 1: it's a lot of big shoes to fill. I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how these guys play because they sound very motivated.
Speaker 1: I mean the quote in Dave's story today from Alfred Morris,
Speaker 1: he got it, he got his hair up on his neck.
Speaker 1: Nicest guy in the league maybe, but he's take him
Speaker 1: a butterfinger. He loves butterfinger, he says. He chuckled at
Speaker 1: some of these questions of how how can you replace Zeke?
Speaker 1: He said, it's very insulting because we're pros. Nothing changes
Speaker 1: at all for me other than these all these cameras
Speaker 1: in my face. I mean true, he's ready to come
Speaker 1: out and prove a point. I mean he he signed
Speaker 1: here before they drafted Zeke, and he was well prepared
Speaker 1: to be the guy to kind of carry this load
Speaker 1: along with McFadden a year ago. And I think he
Speaker 1: firmly believes he's still the same player. They're gonna need
Speaker 1: those guys to play huge. Yeah, for six games, They're
Speaker 1: going to need him to play huge, Brad. Brad asked him,
Speaker 1: and he thought he was just asking him a nice
Speaker 1: question about, well, how's your life changed this week? He was,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Yeah, still got to come to work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: still got to do my job, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a he was a tad. He was a tad.
Speaker 1: And the thing about Alfred, I think he could have
Speaker 1: taken this situation one of two ways, you know, because
Speaker 1: Zeke is the guy all pro back. He could have
Speaker 1: said okay and throwing his hands up and said, this
Speaker 1: isn't the spot for me. This is my last year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go somewhere else. He got leaner, he got
Speaker 1: more explosive this offseason, and he took it like a pro.
Speaker 1: He outplayed McFadden. Yeah, I had a great preseason and
Speaker 1: that to me is a good sign for a guy
Speaker 1: who now has an opportunity. So we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, and I know this was a while back,
Speaker 1: but you know last year the number weekend watching was
Speaker 1: Zeke getting closer to Eric Dickerson's rookie rushing record that
Speaker 1: still has not been broken. But the last guy who
Speaker 1: even got closer than Ezekiel Elliott was Alfred Morris yea
Speaker 1: his rookie season. And you know when he talks about
Speaker 1: something like that, you're right, Mickey, he almost acts like
Speaker 1: I remember I talked to him about that, and he
Speaker 1: kind of treats you like, yeah, like and he doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it in a mean way. He has no ill intentions.
Speaker 1: But I was asking him, like, you know, you were
Speaker 1: the last guy to get that close, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just ran, yeah, you know, I just ran yeah,
Speaker 1: and so did him to do it again. He just
Speaker 1: kind of treats that, you know, kind of mentality of
Speaker 1: I don't really see what you're talking about this is
Speaker 1: my job and I used to give the Cowboys a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble running against them a few years ago.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's a competitor's point of view.
Speaker 1: I yeah, and you're right. He's a nice guy. He's
Speaker 1: not trying to but I mean he's he's a competitor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thinks he can play. Let's go play. Spoken to Darren
Speaker 1: McFadden about the Mickey theory of holding him for six
Speaker 1: I did, what did he say? He looked at me
Speaker 1: like I was cross eyed? But how did you phrase it?
Speaker 1: Just like I did to you guys? And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever thought about it that way.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I said, well you want to try. He's
Speaker 1: caused him, sire in the running back. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you what though, I don't disagree with this theory though
Speaker 1: it does. You guys need to talk to Nate Newton
Speaker 1: about this. And thank goodness, I did it well it
Speaker 1: was just me and him too. See, he didn't have
Speaker 1: to embarrass me. Yeah. Well, I mean the logic, I
Speaker 1: hear you, and I'm sure somebody gave floated that to
Speaker 1: you because you do your homework. But that was on
Speaker 1: my own if some k but if somebody, if he,
Speaker 1: if Zeke were to go down in those first seven
Speaker 1: games with an injury, then who you perceived to be
Speaker 1: as your second best back is not available. So like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you want it if he's your number two guy?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't just in case of injury? Yeah, but it's just
Speaker 1: one game that sort of like I was buying. I
Speaker 1: don't allow. I asked somebody. It's like the backup. It's
Speaker 1: like the backup center guard. If somebody goes down, Joe
Speaker 1: Looney goes in. But next week do you want Joe
Speaker 1: Looney starting? See, this is the whole thing is you'd laugh,
Speaker 1: You guys laugh, except Mickey. The Chaz Green theory, right, Chas.
Speaker 1: I brought that up to Jazz. Green is one of
Speaker 1: your best five offensive lineman, we think, And but what
Speaker 1: happens he's not playing, He's not starting because they worry
Speaker 1: about him. There's there's stranger theories on teams. But that's
Speaker 1: a diagree with us. There. It's a little different between
Speaker 1: being the starter at what left guard for sixty plays
Speaker 1: and how many carries his Morris have as the backup.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like he's gotten a bunch of
Speaker 1: work and it would have risk McFadden injury. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: it just it just it emphasizes my theory, because why
Speaker 1: why get a guy hurt? And if he's only going
Speaker 1: to get three carries, I think they're going to use
Speaker 1: both of them. Honest, I think they're gonna use all three.
Speaker 1: I think all three or yeah gets something here's to
Speaker 1: uh and then on Friday we're gonna find out Zeke
Speaker 1: can play. And all this was good, but you said
Speaker 1: this yesterday, and it's worth repeating. The guy that necessarily
Speaker 1: starts might not be the guy that necessarily finished. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very fair that that is a very fair point. Like
Speaker 1: the ride the hot hand theory, I think I think it.
Speaker 1: I see who's who's deference to Morris. Hey, we've we've
Speaker 1: we've had you do this. You go out and do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's sorry. You know what it reminds me
Speaker 1: if it happens when Troy got hurt in ninety three
Speaker 1: and Jason was the backup quarterback and they immediately went
Speaker 1: and got Bernie Kozar. Now they let Jason start, right,
Speaker 1: he played two series and then Bertie came in and finished,
Speaker 1: and then he started the next week. Yeah, so all
Speaker 1: that time, I don't know how many games in it,
Speaker 1: it was close to the trade deadline. I don't know,
Speaker 1: five six, seven games in Jason Garrett's the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: and he's never played. Yeah, it's like, okay, now he's
Speaker 1: got to play. And he played two series I think
Speaker 1: if I remember Craig, maybe three at the most. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you predicted the first play for the Broncos game for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys when you thought, hey, throw it out wide
Speaker 1: to the you know, Dez Bryank, show them that you
Speaker 1: have the ability deep, throw deep. Is that what you
Speaker 1: would think for this game as well? Or do you
Speaker 1: think they go run first play? What's the mickey prediction?
Speaker 1: You want to know the odds? Yeah, no first down run? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I know, but they did. They did the deep pass.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to show them we're not actually
Speaker 1: made to run the ball. Yeah, they're gonna say, Kansas City,
Speaker 1: let's see if you're good enough to stop us running
Speaker 1: this football, even if you put guys down in that box,
Speaker 1: Let's see if you're good enough to keep us from
Speaker 1: running the Basically, this is what we do. We're not
Speaker 1: going to stop what we do russ our offensive line.
Speaker 1: I think you think other coaches think that way when
Speaker 1: they're thinking, they go, oh, they're gonna just try to
Speaker 1: show us they can run the ball or is that
Speaker 1: just us? But do you think when you're planning your
Speaker 1: game plan you think that way. I would worry about
Speaker 1: the run if I was even even without It'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see if they walk up to safety on
Speaker 1: that first play if they If they do, then I'll
Speaker 1: be sitting next to you. Let's go tell me. How
Speaker 1: about hard play action right off the bat? Go hard
Speaker 1: play action and fire that ball down? Love? I love
Speaker 1: the play feed Morris Alfie play action to give him
Speaker 1: something to think about. Yep, yeah, No, I mean I
Speaker 1: just I think there's so many different routes and different
Speaker 1: things that they can do to kind of get Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I bet you Kansas City maybe. And this might be
Speaker 1: just naive. I bet you they're like, who cares who
Speaker 1: the runner is? Yeah? Well they have issues. They have
Speaker 1: issues stopping the run. No, I'm sure they really do.
Speaker 1: They're worried. I mean because because lesser backs and Alfred
Speaker 1: Morris have had had success against his team running the football.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's scary for them that they don't
Speaker 1: have much tape like recent on Darren McFadden. Of course
Speaker 1: you have the Philly game. They can find it. What
Speaker 1: about Rod Smith? All they're saying is thank goodness, Zeke's nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's still about the operation. It's still about talking
Speaker 1: chiefs hearing right now. Yeah, I'm not saying. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I always say the runner matters, right, but these backs
Speaker 1: are pretty good and the offensive line is starting to
Speaker 1: We're starting to see both. Zeke was running I think
Speaker 1: even more confidently, but the offensive line is starting to
Speaker 1: work work things out, and I'll guarantee you I think
Speaker 1: they can have success on the ground. I really do.
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Um, Atlanta, Philly and Philly all sent Judge
Speaker 1: Catherine Flowers. Okay, is that legal? Can you do that?
Speaker 1: Why not that like a bribe type of thing? No,
Speaker 1: they don't have a Flowers say, after not before? We don't.
Speaker 1: We don't have a Flower sponsor here? Do we we
Speaker 1: need the plug? I didn't. Are they center Papa John's
Speaker 1: Pizza something, Tommy John's, Papa John's whatever you need. It's
Speaker 1: like a thank you, thank you give this to your
Speaker 1: husband for the saying and I'll guarantee you all six
Speaker 1: teams they got to play. You know, their owners are
Speaker 1: going yeah, this is great. Yeah, until it happens to you. Sure,
Speaker 1: and then you're going, huh yeah, maybe that wasn't fair.
Speaker 1: It's just like building a new stadium and everything is
Speaker 1: going great, you have a few kinks, and then something
Speaker 1: bad happens. Looking at you, Atlanta, get there. Taylor doesn't
Speaker 1: want to get wet. You know I read that story,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to get wet. In the pregame, it was
Speaker 1: it was a five by five foot area that got rained,
Speaker 1: one that much rain, the dark cloud over that's all
Speaker 1: that came down. I'm saying that's what it was. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the story I read. I don't know. Maybe the
Speaker 1: story wasn't accurate. No, it was online, so yes, silly
Speaker 1: for me to believe it. Did you click the link
Speaker 1: off of Twitter? Did you read it off Twitter? No?
Speaker 1: I actually searched for the story. I'm impressed. Yeah, google
Speaker 1: that and it might even been a Atlantic Constitution Journal story.
Speaker 1: Five by five foot it said, yeah, that's where the
Speaker 1: water landed. Come on, that's this desk. Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: to have to send the truck out to home. Deep
Speaker 1: Hill to get some stuff right. I wonder if they
Speaker 1: got free delivery right now. Thank you guys so much
Speaker 1: for watching today. We'll be back tomorrow, same time, same place.
Speaker 1: Thank you William for your guest producing today.