1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Do it your own way. Everyone's different, and I think 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm very different. Don't compare yourself. Do it the way 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: that works for you. 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Emily Evadi here. 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and fifty four 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast. Reconnect with everyone from 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 3: your favorite athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: their highest ties, toughest moments, and everything in between. We 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: these discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: and move with intention so that you can stride towards 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: your own big potential and of course have some fun 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: along the way. For today's episode, I am chatting with 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: mel Rojas. She is a pro runner. A very well 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: timed episode if you ask me. Considering Global Running Day 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: is this coming Wednesday, June seventh. In honor of Global 17 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: Running Day, I am going to be hosting a live 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 3: podcast with my girl, Jess Woods at Nike's New York headquarters. 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: Nell is also a Nike. 20 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: Athlete, and Jess and I are going to be answering 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: all of your running questions, So submit one by clicking 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: the link in the show notes that says, leave me 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: a voice message or shoot me an email over at 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: Hello at Hurdle dot us that episode will be dropping soon. 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: Anyway, Back to my girl Nell. 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: In today's episode, we chat about her love of sport 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 3: from a young age. She talks about growing up in 28 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: Boulder and how the local run community really inspired her 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: to get more involved with the sport. She shares about 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: her big goals, her dreams to make a US Olympic team. 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: He also talks to us about dabbling in triathlon and 32 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: what it was like for her to win Grandma's marathon 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: back in twenty nineteen. Nell also talks to me about 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 3: her coaching business and how entrepreneurship and building that has 35 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: brought her so much joy. Really loved this conversation and 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: have to thank the team at Garmin for connecting us. 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: It is no secret Garmin is the running smartwatch that 38 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: I have been using for a long time now, and 39 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: the company in fact is celebrating this year twenty years 40 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: of Forerunner. 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And with that, let's get to it. 56 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: Let's get to hurtling. 57 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: Today. 58 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Nell Rojas. She is a 59 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: professional runner. How are you doing today now? I'm good, yeah, yeah, 60 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: I don't want to blow up your spot. But you're 61 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: doing a full gel manicure removal at the moment. 62 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: Yes. I've never had fake nails before. I have them 63 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: for some reason now and they are really they just 64 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: make everything harder. So I'm trying to get them off, but. 65 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: I get it. 66 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: Weightlifting with long nails can be challenging and that's for sure. 67 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I went. I also went. I went bouldering 68 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: the other day and that was like a disaster. 69 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: No, you actually cannot boulder with long nails. 70 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: You can't do it. 71 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: It's not possible. It's not possible. 72 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: I'm sure if you look at any professional climber's hands, 73 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: like it's short, there's grit in there and it's just 74 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: a badge of honor exactly. 75 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 76 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: Well, I'm amped to be chatting with you today and 77 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 3: I'm excited because this conversation is coming out around Global 78 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: Running Day to kick things off. If you had to 79 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: describe your relationship with running, how would you do that? 80 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, running is such you know, we talk about 81 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: this sometimes where it's just it's like, you know, it's 82 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: just like running. It's just like putting one foot in 83 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: front of the other. But it becomes so much more 84 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 1: when it turns into like a community and a way 85 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: to do good for others and a way to like 86 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: be fulfilled and find inspiration and motivation in this life, 87 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: and a way to get through hard things. And you know, 88 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: something that hopefully if we're lucky, is like always there 89 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: for us as long as as long as it can be, 90 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: you know. 91 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: And do you remember how old you were when running 93 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: became more than just a form of physical activity for you? 94 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: I would say from day one. I mean I was 95 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: born into like a running family, and before I was 96 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: a runner, I was a runner. Like before I was 97 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: a runner, running was really really important to me. And 98 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like part of our blood. 99 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: You know. My dad worked for Nike, He ran for Nike. 100 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: He was a running coach growing up, So like I knew, 101 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, I knew it involved community very early on 102 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: because that was like, you know, all these people in 103 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: our house because like the office was in the house 104 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: as well. So you know, like I got to really 105 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: socialize through running and meet people through running, important people 106 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: in my life, and so I think it brought me 107 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: a lot more than just the physical aspects, like very 108 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: very early on. 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you mentioned your father coaching still coaching with you. 110 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: How does that impact your relationship and would you say 111 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: it's for the best. 112 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's hard because I would say my 113 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: dad and I, I mean, I'm very lucky of have 114 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: great parents. I always have, but we do have a 115 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,119 Speaker 1: very strong coach athlete relationship, and I think that's kind 116 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: of how we communicate. And I think that that's how 117 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: we connect and share our feelings and talk about things. 118 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: And it is a lot of times it's hard to 119 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: get away from running and it's hard to connect at 120 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: like a personal more personal level, just because like that's 121 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: what we've done for so long. But I think it 122 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: is a different form of talking and like being able 123 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: to express our love and problems and support. 124 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, how does that make you feel? 125 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel very lucky. I feel like extremely 126 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: lucky that I get to go do this whole journey 127 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: with my dad. I think it's hard sometimes not to 128 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: take for granted how much cares and believes and I 129 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: have no doubt like he has my best interest, you know, 130 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: that's the first thing in his mind is what is 131 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: best for me, what is best for my well being, 132 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: And so I think I take for granted, like, you know, 133 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that, I don't have 134 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: to worry about how much my coach cares or how 135 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: much attention I'm getting. It's just like constantly there. 136 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting that sentiment. I don't have to worry 137 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: about whether my coach cares, knowing that he cares, knowing that, 138 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: without a doubt, this person wants what's best for you, 139 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: which is certainly something that other athletes have to navigate 140 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: and handle as their careers. 141 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Ebb and Flow Hm exactly. 142 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, So for you, from a young age, you said 143 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: that running was heavily involved in your life, and not 144 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: just as a physical activity but as a way of community. 145 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: Where did you find your first communities within running? 146 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: Like I remember, I mean a lot of people might 147 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: know the Bolder Boulder, a big ten k in Boulder, 148 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: like I think at some point is like the biggest 149 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: ten k in the US. It might still be, but 150 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: just like you know, having barbecues around there and like 151 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: you know, getting to meet these like elite level runners 152 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: and connecting through like you know, run groups and my 153 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: dad's like athletes. That was like really fun to me 154 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: is just to be around those people. And then I'd say, 155 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, like I started running when I was in 156 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: like not seriously, but when I was in middle school. 157 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: You know, I started running track and you know it 158 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: was like a four or five week season or something, 159 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: and then we had like training groups for the Boulder Boulder, 160 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: and I think that was like my spot where I 161 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: was like very comfortable and I was good at it, 162 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: so people looked up to me, and so it was 163 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: very easy to be myself. So I think, like, you know, 164 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: i'd say middle school was like where I found my group. 165 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: What about that community made you feel more at ease? 166 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: I would say, because I was I was confident, you know. 167 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: It brought me confidence to be, you know, one of 168 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the best runners in the group. And I think when 169 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: you do have that confidence, you exude it and people 170 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: look up to you, and then you're more naturally who 171 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: you are. You know, so no matter like who was there, 172 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, runners are obviously like always super goofy, and 173 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: it's a great place to meet people who you would 174 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: never meet otherwise. But yeah, you kind of like go 175 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: beyond your social your normal social groups. 176 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: And yeah, and you know what I'm hearing you say 177 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: is like that mutual love for one thing enabled you 178 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: to become closer to people that you may not have 179 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 3: been close to before. And that's what's so beautiful and 180 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: awesome about community within running, Like it doesn't matter if 181 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: you're a back of the pack sixteen minute seventeen minute 182 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: mile runner or someone like you that is blazing ahead 183 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: of the crowd. What matters is that we all have 184 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: this opportunity to come together and unify through this thing 185 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: that we all love. So you then go on to 186 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: college and you dive in to running. How does that 187 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: feel for you? 188 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Well, I walked on too NAU, which was like a 189 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: really big running school. You know, they won nationals a 190 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: couple times and had a great girls program at the time. 191 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: But you know, for me walking on, there was no pressure, 192 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: no one expected anything out of me. I was doing 193 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: it because I wanted to continue running. Once again, like 194 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: you go before school starts and you have this set 195 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: group of friends already that you all connect because you're 196 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: all you know, you're all out there doing hard things 197 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: and you're all in the van afterwards and you feel 198 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: fulfilled and you have all those great hormones going on, 199 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: so you get to connect with them deeper. And so, 200 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, running to me in college was I never 201 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: had like a thought. It wasn't like I really like 202 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: I did want to be good, but it wasn't all. 203 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't like it is now, Like it wasn't like 204 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,479 Speaker 1: all consuming for me, Like I had other interests. I 205 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, I was really social so I wanted to 206 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: kind of go out and meet people, and I wanted 207 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: to you know, travel when I should be training. And so, 208 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, I would say in college like I wasn't. 209 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't like this is going to be like my future. 210 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm running because like it's cool, 211 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: it's fun, but you know what, I'm also going to 212 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: be like this like totally like normal human being. 213 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: Right, And being a normal human being for you, did 214 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: it involve being active? In fact, some people don't know 215 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: that being active for you for a long time also 216 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: included other modalities. 217 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: You dabbled for a while in triathlon. 218 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean after college I was like, oh 219 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: my gosh, I don't want to run another step in 220 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: my life. I was. I was burnt out after college 221 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: for a number of reasons, and I think half the 222 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: reason is because I was like just like burning, you know, burning, 223 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: how do you say at the candle? At both ends, 224 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, like very social, you know, 225 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: part of like trying to like have fun and party 226 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: sometimes like kids do. And then I was also trying 227 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: to compete, but I was also like trying to do 228 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: well in school, and I was just like tired by 229 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: the end of it. But after college, my dad was like, hey, 230 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: I think you'd be good at trathlons if you want 231 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: to like give it a try. And I was like, heck, yeah, 232 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: that would be awesome. And so I fell in love 233 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: immediately with training for triathlons. And yeah, I remember just 234 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: like going to sleep, just like itching to get up, 235 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: get the wheels on the ground, and get my ride in. 236 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: So that was a really fun experience. 237 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: What was your favorite part about the triathlon. 238 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: I think it's just like how much you get to train, 239 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: like you just like especially when you're young, like I, 240 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, I worked at Boulder Running Company part time, 241 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: and I think I was coaching a little bit and 242 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: doing some like swim coaching and swim lessons and piecing 243 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: it together. But you know, at the time, like I 244 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: just wanted to like work hard towards something. I wanted 245 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: to get my pro card, and you just get to 246 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: do that with triathlon, get to like train all day 247 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: and it's like it's okay. 248 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: What was your quote unquote weakest part. 249 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: Oh, swimming, for sure, Like yeah, that was I mean 250 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: I could swim in the pool, but once you got 251 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: me out in open water, it was like, I had 252 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: never swam in my life. 253 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: Do you coach triathletes these days as well as runners? 254 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: I have a couple. 255 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I try. 256 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: I tried not to, but then like inevitably some of 257 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: my runners will be like, hey, I signed up for 258 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: Traslon and I'm like, oh, okay, here we go. So 259 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: I just yeah, I do, and it's okay. But it's 260 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: a lot more involved than run coaching. 261 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we'll talk a lot about your coaching 262 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 3: in a bit. But for those that are listening to 263 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 3: this and do have an itch to compete in triathlon, firstly, 264 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: what would you advise someone to ask themselves if they 265 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: have the itch? 266 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: First well, I mean first and foremost, it's going to 267 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: take a toll on your relationship. You have a family, 268 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: or you're in a relationship, Like I think like the 269 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: first thing to do would like make sure you have support, 270 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: make sure you know what that looked like, and make 271 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: sure like it's going to fit in with however you 272 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: want your life to shape up regarding those types of things, 273 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: because that's like, you know, being in Boulder, which there's 274 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: tons of tra athletes here. I've coached many triathletes and 275 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: I've been one myself, and yeah, that's like the number 276 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: one thing I would say. It would be like, sit down, 277 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,359 Speaker 1: have a long conversation with your partner and yourself and so, yeah. 278 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: Did you feel like you had to navigate some of 279 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: that back in your day? 280 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I still have to navigate it just being a runner, 281 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: just having a single sport. But no, I wasn't in 282 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: a I wasn't really in a you know, serious relationship 283 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: at that point. I was just like so young, So no, 284 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: I did not have to. But I just now that 285 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm older, you know, if you're like an older you know, 286 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm thirty five, but if you're not in your twenties, yeah, you're. 287 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: Like, Okay, let me think back to my relationship history 288 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: and see where I was at this point. 289 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: If I ruined it. 290 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: I definitely ruined all of them. 291 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: So okay, So that's so interesting. 292 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: That's your first tip, because then, like I'm sure, logistically speaking, 293 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: there are so many other things that would come into 294 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: mind the fact that triathlon can be extremely expensive depending 295 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: on where you're doing it and what equipment you may 296 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: or may not have just yet. Also access if you're 297 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: not living in the place that's on the water, Like 298 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: do you have access to a pool? 299 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: Like there's just so much to consider. 300 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I think you know, for me, I 301 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: am very lucky and I'm very fortunate, and I've always 302 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: had a lot of support, not really like I haven't 303 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: had like financial support. I think that's important in triathlon, 304 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: but I am I will I will admit that I 305 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: am lucky with being in Boulder and having access to stuff. 306 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: But I also think like, if you want to do 307 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: them bad enough, you can figure out a way to 308 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: get a bike. You can invest if it's that important 309 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: to you. 310 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: But you do break out of triathlon and you lean 311 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: back into running, did you feel like you just had 312 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 3: kind of like enough of a break that you are 313 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: ready to dedicate to one modality. 314 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: No, Well, I wasn't really leaning back into running. I 315 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: mean i'd always yes, I getting back in triathlon was amazing, 316 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: and then I needed to make money and like move 317 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: out of my mom's basement. I was like totally ready 318 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: for that. I was in my upper twenties and I 319 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I cannot do this anymore. I quit 320 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: basically sports and I really focused on building my Like 321 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: I owned a gym for a while. I focus on 322 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: building my coaching career. Meanwhile, I've always run, like I 323 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: love running, It's just like who I am. And you know, 324 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: my dad always has practices and Boulder, so i'd go 325 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: to I probably went twice a week, you know, consistently forever, 326 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: just because like it's like, all right, this is what 327 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: we do. You know. I didn't really train for anything 328 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: big but like maybe local five k's and so basically 329 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: I was just continuing doing that and then happened to 330 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: do really well in a marathon and that's when I 331 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: really like, that's when I really started training. Like before that, 332 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: you know, I was like looking back my training logs, 333 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: I ran like, you know, maybe sixty miles a week. 334 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: I probably missed a couple runs every week. It was 335 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: just like a fun thing. 336 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: And when you ran, cim, did you go into that 337 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: with any actual expectation. 338 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: There was no expectation. I mean, I was like people 339 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: started asking me because I like, I don't know, oh yeah, 340 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: I ran like a half marathon and did okay in it. 341 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: So people started asking me, like, oh, are you going 342 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: for the Olympic Trials standard qualifying standard? And so I 343 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: had to like look up what that was and then 344 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: it was like it was two thirty seven was the 345 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: beast standard at the time, and I was like, yeah, 346 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: I could probably do that. So I at that point 347 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: was like, yes, I am going for this Olympic qualifying standard, 348 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: and I just like was like sure, like because it 349 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: fits where I am. Yes, and then I ran the 350 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: A standard, which was well, I ran two thirty one. 351 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: I think the A standard was two thirty two. And 352 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: then I was like, okay, I'm ready to start training again. 353 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 3: And then I'm like, okay, I'm actually excelling at this thing. 354 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: Yeah you did you would you say that? You? 355 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: Like? 356 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: I feel always as though runners have maybe like two 357 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: or three goals. There's the goal that you will tell 358 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: a lot of people. Then there's the goal that you'll 359 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: only tell like your close people, your close circle, and 360 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: there's the goal that you really don't share with anyone. 361 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: So did you even surpass the goal that you didn't 362 00:19:59,119 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 3: share with anyone? 363 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: I honestly did not have a goal that I didn't 364 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: share with anyone. 365 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 366 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: My dad has always done a really good job of 367 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: being really patient, and I just remember going into that race, 368 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 1: he could just kept telling me like, this doesn't have 369 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: to be outstanding. You just have to like, let's let's 370 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: jog it. Let's see like if you even like it, 371 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: Let's see like how you do. And then that way 372 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: we can like go from there and like keep getting 373 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: faster if you want. And so going into that, I 374 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, okay, I'll just like I'll just like 375 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, start easy, feel good. And so I didn't 376 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: have I don't remember having expectations really, so I think 377 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: that really helps. 378 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: I think it helps too. 379 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: I think that so often, you know, like we are 380 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 3: plagued by the never ending scroll and we are made 381 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: to feel like we have to do X or y, 382 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: or we should be here or there, and the reality 383 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: is is that in your first race, whether it's a mile, 384 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: a four hundred, a half marathon, America, whatever, the best 385 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: thing that you can do for yourself is just have 386 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: a goal to finish and have fun. 387 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like with my athletes, I just 388 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: like I tell them, like, look like it's better not 389 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: to like like if you blow this out of the water, 390 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: then like the next race you might not hit that again, 391 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: and then like mentally you're gonna be like just it's 392 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: gonna be harder. So if you like start appropriately and 393 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: just like get faster and faster and faster, Like that's 394 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: just like, in my mind, the best way you can 395 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: do it. 396 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 397 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 3: So to give some context for those that may not 398 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: be super familiar with your running journey, you said that 399 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: was a two thirty one Grandma's two twenty eight oh six, 400 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 3: So we're talking a five forty mile for twenty six 401 00:21:53,600 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 3: point two miles. That's beautiful. Thank you, You're you're welcome. 402 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 3: So when you ran Grandma's, now we're like in a 403 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: different place, right because you clearly went back to your 404 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: dad and you were like okay, like that was fun, 405 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 3: Let's see what else we can do. 406 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. I went back to my dad. I apologized for 407 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: because I remember before the race, I was like I 408 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: don't like everyone was like like talking about how tired 409 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: their legs were like the week before, and I was 410 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: like I don't feel that at all, and I was 411 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: just like Dad, I was like so mad. I was like, 412 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: we didn't do enough. I didn't I don't even I 413 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: didn't run enough. We didn't, you know, And he was 414 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: like it's okay, it's okay. And then afterwards I was like, okay, 415 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: I trust you, like I'll do whatever you say. 416 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: So, going into Grandma's, how did you feel? 417 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: I was excited going into Grandma's. I knew I was 418 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: like fitter. I felt like I was really training harder, 419 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: and I didn't expect to win Grandma's. I don't know, 420 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: like I do trust my dad and he know, he 421 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you'll do He'll do very well. Like 422 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: just like go and have a good race and you'll 423 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: do very well winning. It was kind of like even 424 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: more got the ball rolling for my future career. 425 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was my next question is then at 426 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: this point, do you realize that, Okay, it's time to 427 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 3: think about how and in what capacity I want to 428 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: integrate this into my life. 429 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, it's like okay, like we can be pretty 430 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: serious about this. You still don't know, like I still 431 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: had no idea that I was like that. It was 432 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: like what so that race was. The next race was 433 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: the Olympic Trials, and I just you know, I knew 434 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: I qualified whatever. But the Olympic Trials was bizarre because 435 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: they had like four girls, like maybe like four or 436 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: five girls that were like announced and like on like 437 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: the very for the first line, like the start of it. 438 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: And I was one of them, and I was like, 439 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: this is so weird. Like I didn't even like I 440 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: didn't even mean to make this like it was just 441 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: like that was like. And then racing that race, there 442 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: was like thirteen girls in the front pack and they 443 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: were like, you know, the most famous runners who you know, 444 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: I had never competed against, and was just like in 445 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: awe that I was running around them and I was 446 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: like this is crazy. 447 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is mind blowing. 448 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: So when you did realize that you were going to 449 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: start really focusing on making this more of a career, 450 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: what actually had to change or shift in your life? 451 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: So I mean that's like basically I'm still going through 452 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: that and it's really really, really really hard. And I 453 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of these runners, you know, they get 454 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: to cause like most of them have just been professional 455 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: runners since college. Most of the girls that I run against, 456 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: like they graduated college and they're like, Okay, I'm I'm 457 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: gonna go prop, you know, or like maybe they had 458 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: little stint and then they got sponsored and then they 459 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: they've set their life up like basically a training camp. 460 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: You know. I've set my life up very very differently, 461 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Like I have a big coaching company, I had a 462 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: gym at the time. I you know, I surround myself 463 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: with non athletes who like to go out and drink 464 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: and you know, they like to like have hobbies and 465 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: do things. And I live in my hometown, you know, 466 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: close to my family and friends from high school, you know. 467 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: So for me, it's been like a four year process 468 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: of slowly learning not to work so hard, not to 469 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: hustle so hard building my coaching business, which like hustled 470 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: so hard, and that's ingrained in you when you're like, oh, man, 471 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: like I need to wake up and do what I 472 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: can to like grow make money and like make sure 473 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm okay. So it's been like a process and I 474 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: still like have to like tell myself back off, you know, 475 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: if you really want if I really want to be successful, 476 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: I have to be the fastest runner I have to be. 477 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: And to do that, it does not mean working when 478 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm not running. It means like coming home from a run, 479 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: like making sure I get a good meal, in making 480 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: sure I like rest and chill, and like my stress 481 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: level is very low, and like it's been a process 482 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: letting my friends know I am not going to go out. 483 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: I can't go to that concert. Or like I can't 484 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: like go do things with you all the time, like 485 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: I have to chill and so like I'm still learning 486 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: that every day, and I'm still learning how to say no, 487 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: which is hard. 488 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: Taking a break from today's episode to give some love 489 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: to my sponsors. 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For those of you that 509 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 3: may not follow along with me on Instagram, then you 510 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: may not know just how obsessed I am with Open 511 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: as a part of my morning routine. 512 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: Open is a mindfulness studio. 513 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: It's a space to become alive through breathwork, meditation, movement, 514 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: and sound. The Open method is rooted in the science 515 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: of transforming the brain and training the body for longevity 516 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 3: and as the creators of breath and sound with an 517 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: app that's sweeping the wall in this industry, Opens proving 518 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 3: what they set out to do to make the benefit 519 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 3: of the present moment accessible to all. I start every 520 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: morning with my Open app. I do a three to 521 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 3: five minute breathwork routine and it helps me just come 522 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: back into my body and prepare myself emotionally and mentally 523 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: to take on. 524 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: Whatever the day is going to throw my way. 525 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 3: Of course, the app offers so much more than just breathwork. 526 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 3: They've got meditation and movement classes as well, and you 527 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: can practice with your friends when they do live classes. 528 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 3: That enable you to also chat live with your instructor. 529 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: Truly love this platform and has transformed the way I 530 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: think about mindfulness, and I know that you are going 531 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: to love it too. Practice on the Open app or 532 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: in person at the La Studio. We're both head on 533 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 3: over to with Open dot Com slash hurdle to get 534 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 3: thirty days free today again. Experience Open for thirty days 535 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: free by heading on over to with Open dot Com 536 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: slash Hurdle. 537 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: It's a frequent listener question that comes in. 538 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: It's like, my friends don't understand why this is important 539 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: to me. I'm having a hard time navigating their feedback. 540 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: What do you tell? What do you suggest that I do? 541 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: What would you suggest that they do? 542 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Like for me, I have to like be like, okay, 543 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: what is important to me? How do I prioritize those things? 544 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: People who like are going to be there for you 545 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: and love you. You know they'll be They'll still be 546 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: there even though like you might not be able to 547 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: do those things. So I think it's just like saying, 548 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: like the hard nos It's not easy. I mean, there's 549 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: no good answer to that question. You just have to 550 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: do the hard things and you have to have the 551 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: conversations with people, and you have to make like you 552 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: have to make constant, really hard decisions because this world 553 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: isn't set up for people to excel at hard things. 554 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: It's really set up for like the like mediocre and everything. 555 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: That's what like our every day draws us too, unless 556 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: you really set yourself up well for not that. Does 557 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: that make sense? 558 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I mean I get it. 559 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: Hard things are hard for a reason, right, Like the 560 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: things that we're going after goals, we set them and 561 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: it's not as though we set a goal and then 562 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: we expect within four seconds to achieve it. Right, We 563 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: set a goal and we go after that thing because 564 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: it's challenging. Because that challenge itself, the journey is or 565 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: should be at least something that brings you fulfillment, something 566 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: that brings you joy, Which leads me into the question, then, 567 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 3: knowing that you are constantly in pursuit of hard things, 568 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: what is your why? 569 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: What keeps you going? Now? 570 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: I think my why has like definitely like ebbed and 571 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: flowed throughout my running life. You know. I think it 572 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: started because, like I said before, like it really gave 573 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: me confidence and it gave me like a family and 574 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: a place that I felt like I belonged. So that 575 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: was like early on in my running career. And then 576 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: like for a while when you're like not happy with it, 577 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: and like that happens, like it was because like I 578 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: was just you know, like it was just like what 579 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: I did. And then it turns into like something you know, 580 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: that I'm super passionate about and like I wake up 581 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: every day motivated and it makes me feel good, which 582 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: is really important obviously, and then it turns into something 583 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: now where I get to use my platform to help others, 584 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: you know. So that's a really big reason. Another reason is, like, 585 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing more. You know, I'm lucky to 586 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: be driven and to like have a huge goal and 587 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: to be able to work towards it, and that just 588 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: keeps you away from the It's just it just keeps 589 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: you happy. 590 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: Well because you enjoy the process, right, because if you 591 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: didn't then going after this goal, would it make you 592 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: feel happy? 593 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: No? No? I mean, yeah, you have to have other 594 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: things in place and to be to do it healthily 595 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: and happily. 596 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: But so what does success look like for you right now? Then? 597 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: Showing up to these races and being able to be 598 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: competitive with the best female run in the US showing 599 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: up to the Olympic Trials in February and being able 600 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: to like have a shot at making the team and 601 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: being able to like put one hundred percent in. 602 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 3: So when you think of that goal, for instance, going 603 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 3: to the Olympic Trials, coming out as a member of 604 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: Team USA and you work backward, what does that mean 605 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: that you are doing now to go after that big goal. 606 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: It means it means that I'm taking care of like 607 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: every aspect of my life. It means like I am 608 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: confident enough in myself that I can let like a 609 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: money go, like you know, like things like say no 610 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: to like money opportunities, being confident that, like you know what, 611 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: like I will this, this is going to be the 612 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: best thing for me financially and everything we in the future, 613 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: and making sure like I take care of myself. That 614 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: for me, that's that's my that's my crux. Is like 615 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: making sure I get enough sleep and making sure like 616 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: I take the time to like eat very well, and 617 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: like letting go of, you know, letting go of some 618 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: things like I was just watching the Wu Tang Show 619 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: last night and it's really good, Well, the first season's good. 620 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: And then it's bad. But you know, like Rizza, who's 621 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: like the leader of the Wu Tang clan, he like 622 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: his like wife just left him and he's like, you know, 623 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: like when you sacrifice great things, that means one thing, 624 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: and that means you have to make it worth it. 625 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: You have to win in the future. So like for me, 626 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: I have to let go of like some relationships that 627 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: I know aren't going to work. If I want to 628 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: make the Olympic team, I know and I know are 629 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: not going to work. 630 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 3: So things like that, I would imagine that can be 631 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 3: a little bit difficult. 632 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: It's very hard. It's very hard, but it's okay. 633 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, in pursuit of what you're after, right 634 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 3: and love pulling wisdom from the Wu Tang clan. Fun fact, 635 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 3: I randomly interviewed Rizza for GQ a few years ago. 636 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so. 637 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: I know there's probably some really good gems back in 638 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 3: that transcription. Now I'll find that. I'll find that and 639 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 3: i'll send it to you. But it is true. And 640 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: you mentioned taking care of yourself, which also can be 641 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 3: such a process to learn exactly what it is you need. 642 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: Right. 643 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 3: You mentioned sleep, you mentioned food. You also mentioned minimizing stress, 644 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: so there's lots of touch on here. When it comes 645 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 3: to sleep, do you have like a Goldilocks amount that 646 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 3: you were after? 647 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: No, I mean I think like I think like minimum 648 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: eight hours for me, Like sleep is like very elusive. 649 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: So you know, if I get like six eight hours, 650 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm good. 651 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you wear your garment to sleep? 652 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: I really like the data and the information I get 653 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: from it. I'm the kind of sleeper who I'm like, 654 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: it needs to be like pitch black, quiet, cool, nothing 655 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: touching me, Like I need to be in like this 656 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: just like a very straight position. So I'm like very particular. 657 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: So like if I'm really tired, I could wear my 658 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: garment to sleep, and I'll be like, and I really 659 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: appreciate the information. Sometimes I don't, I. 660 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: Know, I feel that way too. 661 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm like I want the data, but I also 662 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: like don't want anything touching me whatsoever. 663 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 2: It's a constant struggle. It's a constant struggle. 664 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 3: But on the stressor's note, I actually think that that 665 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 3: is the thing that we don't talk enough about, right 666 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 3: because we don't realize how many things are in our 667 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 3: day to day that we are dealing with. Whether it's relationships, emails, work, 668 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: whatever that are adding to our stress load, which can 669 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 3: negatively impact our body. Was there a point where you 670 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: started to understand, maybe in a way that you didn't before, 671 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 3: what some of those things were. 672 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: Yes, And I don't know, I don't know what the 673 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what the point was. But I think 674 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: when I when I started running like one hundred and 675 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: fifteen miles a week, lifting, any type of stress would 676 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: affect me so much. So this probably started like two 677 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: years ago, and so it becomes really really apparent that 678 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: like you can't there's no room for like there's no 679 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: room for any more external stress because your body you're 680 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: already putting so much stress on it physically, and like 681 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: then you know with the races that are like the 682 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: big ones can be a little bit stressful, you know 683 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: you want training to go. Well, I think it was 684 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: it just became clear like what stressed me out and 685 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: that I couldn't have that in my life. 686 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 2: How did you feel that? How did that impact you? Well? 687 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: For me, everything goes straight to sleep and so I 688 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: start losing and then I can't focus or during my 689 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: workouts if I you know a lot of them, like 690 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: you need to be pretty focused, and if you get 691 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: a good amount of sleep, you don't I don't think 692 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: you realize it quite as much because it's just because 693 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: it comes more naturally. But once you start losing sleep 694 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: and you're like, I cannot focus on this, and you 695 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: can like you don't know whether those extra things like 696 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: doing strength training, You're like, I don't know if this 697 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: is benefiting me or hurting me more because I'm sleeping. 698 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: And then you know the second you miss a mile 699 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: or you miss a strength workout because of that, then 700 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: that is like where you're like, Okay, this is like 701 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: this is really affecting me. 702 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 3: I also feel like oftentimes like that one missed thing 703 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 3: has a tendency to spiral into a bunch of other things. Right, 704 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 3: it's hard to press that reset button, so we allow 705 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 3: that stress to not only maybe mess up the workout, 706 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 3: but then that makes you on edge for your next 707 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 3: interaction and then you're like, well, I don't actually want 708 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 3: to leave my house to go do this pt work 709 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 3: that I'm supposed to do, and it just adds into 710 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: one thing and the next thing and the next thing. 711 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: Absolutely yes, And that's the same with good things that 712 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: happened too, is like you know you're on a roll 713 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: and you're feeling good, and so you eat well and 714 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: you don't miss things, and you know you're happier. So yes, 715 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: I think it can go both ways. There can be 716 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: like spirals both ways, and you need to make sure 717 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: you're on like this positive upward spiral. 718 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know all, what they talk about 719 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 3: when it comes to the power of habits, right, And 720 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 3: that's why we have it stack. It's so that when 721 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 3: you have this one good thing and encourages you to 722 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 3: do all the other things that serve you both mentally, physically, emotionally, 723 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 3: et cetera. Now a few times now and I'd love 724 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 3: to talk a little bit about this. You've mentioned having 725 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 3: to make smart choices when it comes to money, and 726 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 3: as an entrepreneur, a female entrepreneur, I can really relate 727 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 3: to this. 728 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 2: You're also one of the only maybe runners of. 729 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 3: Your caliber that, at least to my knowledge, is actively 730 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 3: coaching other runners. Talk to us about your decision to 731 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 3: still coach and why you do it. 732 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: I think for me, like, first of all, I worked 733 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: so hard to grow my business and so there's no 734 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: way I'm going to let that go. I also think 735 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: it gives me a peace of mind to have that 736 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: when I'm done running, because obviously running isn't going to 737 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: be forever. So I have like, you know a little 738 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: bit more financial freedom. Like I am able to like 739 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: not make decisions solely based off of money, so like 740 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: not make like race decisions solely based off money, which 741 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: I think allows you to like race better, race maybe 742 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: less often, pick smarter races for your so you can 743 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: be faster. I think it also coaching others allows me 744 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 1: to you know, as a runner, as an athlete, professional athlete, 745 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: you get so like single minded on yourself. And the 746 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: smaller you get this, the more you think about just yourself, 747 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: the more you like can't handle things, or the more 748 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: you can get like anxiety easier you can get like 749 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, like really like cut up in things. But 750 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: the second you like you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I 751 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: need to like take some steps back and look, I 752 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: need to like help other people or like talk to 753 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: other people or like have that broader outlook on life. 754 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: I think it just like helps everything so much because 755 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I am taking myself way 756 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: too seriously and you need to like just like chill 757 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: out for a sec. So those are some of the 758 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: reasons that I like, really appreciate that I still do coach. 759 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: I love being part of the community in Boulder. There 760 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: is a lot of fulfillment in helping others with their journey. 761 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 3: Oh totally, I mean very relatable. Right, this opportunity to 762 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 3: help and serve others. And again, as you mentioned, take 763 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 3: some of that focus off you and yourself. At any moment, right, 764 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 3: you gain more notoriety in your sport. How did it 765 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,959 Speaker 3: feel for you that there were more eyes on you. 766 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: I think I've always been I would say, like a leader. 767 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: I'm not like a loud I'm not like a common guys. 768 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm not like I want people like. I'm more of 769 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,720 Speaker 1: like a leader through actions, and so I've always really 770 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: like being more of like a teacher through example. So 771 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: for me, it's really it's exciting. And I you know, 772 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: my brother asked me the other day, he was like, so, 773 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: why do like all female runners like feel like they 774 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: also need to be life coaches? But well, I was like, because, 775 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: I mean, and I really had to think about and 776 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: I think it's because, like you know, we're all doing 777 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: hard things that scare us, and we all need someone 778 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: to like look up to and kind of learn from. 779 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: And I think it's just like it just like makes 780 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: sense in running. So yeah, So. 781 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: To wind it back to more people knowing who you are, 782 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 3: you feel as though it's a good thing because it 783 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 3: enables you to help more people. 784 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 2: Did I get that right? 785 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, I like to reach people. 786 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 3: That's admirable and very impressive having this opportunity to take 787 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 3: this platform to do a good Would you say that 788 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 3: there are challenges that go hand in hand with that 789 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 3: as well? 790 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, absolutely, like you can always do more, 791 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: like I'm always like it needs to do more, or 792 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: like I'm not Yeah, I'm not doing enough. So there's 793 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: that kind of like guilt that goes along with it. 794 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: But I think I just have to understand, like you know, 795 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: there is a time for everything, and like I'm doing 796 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: the best I can do. 797 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 3: You feel like you get a lot of unsolicited feedback. 798 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: Unploicited feedback. Yes, that's funny. When I was in Kenya 799 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: like a couple months ago anyways, I was like I 800 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: can't take any more on suplicitive feedback, Like I just 801 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: can't do it, Like I get so much every day 802 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: and I don't know why people feel the need to 803 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: tell me what is good for me, but it is 804 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: kind of hard. 805 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 3: How do you put the blinders on so that you 806 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 3: can focus on yourself? 807 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: I think, like you just learned through the years, you 808 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: know what's best for you. As you get older, You're like, 809 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: I don't really care what anyone else thinks or says 810 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: to me because they don't know my story. They don't 811 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: know what's going on behind the walls, like you know, 812 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: unless it's like someone that I am like, you know, 813 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: like I told my training partner the other day, I 814 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:45,240 Speaker 1: am only listening to Rick my dad and like doctor Moose, 815 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: who's like really helped me with a lot of like 816 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,839 Speaker 1: my parasite issues. And I was like, and that's it. 817 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 3: I was like, if any doctor Moose in Austin, Yeah, yeah, okay, 818 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 3: I have heard about doctor Moose and I have been 819 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 3: battling awful foot problems forever. This is not about me. 820 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 3: But someone literally the other day said to me, I 821 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 3: think you need to go see doctor Muse, who said that, 822 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,720 Speaker 3: yes you do, I mean another runner. But I was like, shoot, 823 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,959 Speaker 3: is this worth the trip to Austin to go see 824 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 3: this miraculous doctor muse and also like how many people 825 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 3: are named doctor Moose that has to be the same thing. 826 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: And is you need like if you want to help, 827 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 1: I mean like absolutely, it's worth it, like and I 828 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: would say that to anyone, Like. 829 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 3: So I want to He's so special. And you said 830 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 3: he's been helping you with parasite issues. 831 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: Yes, he basically has a method that he like talks 832 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: to your body and is like okay, like what's going on, 833 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: what do you need? And then like addresses addresses that 834 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: and he does it with like I would say, it's 835 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: like Eastern and Western medicine and things that like I 836 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: don't know, like things I've never I've like had no 837 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: answers for, like I've for years years, years years. I 838 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: go and he's like oh yeah yeah, like he fixes 839 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: in like five minutes, and I'm like, oh my gosh, 840 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: like what so hard to explain, but like just is 841 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: a great healer. 842 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 2: And you had a parasite coming back from Kenya. 843 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a parasite in and Amiba and it 844 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: was like really really really bad, just like awful stomach 845 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: issues awful. So I didn't like it can like my 846 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: body wasn't accepting like any food or water for like 847 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and then like I just was 848 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: so sick and didn't have any energy and just like, yeah. 849 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 2: Well are we on the other side of it. 850 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: We're on the other side, yes, Louiah exactly. 851 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 3: Stomach issues free. What excites you right now now? 852 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm just like super excited to I'm 853 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: excited for everything right now. I'm excited to train. I'm 854 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: excited for the Olympic Trials in February. I'm excited to 855 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: like really dial in and just like give it everything 856 00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: I have. 857 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 2: What did giving it everything you have? 858 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: Look like? For me? Like the running isn't like we've talked, 859 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: like I feel like this is the theme of this 860 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,919 Speaker 1: podcast today, but like running is not the hard part 861 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: of running. For me, it's dialing it in. It is 862 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: like feeling good running because you ate while you slept well, 863 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,879 Speaker 1: your stress level is low. And so for me, it's 864 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: putting myself in that position where things are taken care of. 865 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: Were less than a year out from the trials and 866 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: like I just have to worry about running. 867 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 2: That's it. Just running. 868 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 3: Someone goes to your Instagram page, they see a professional runner. 869 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 3: When you look in the mirror. What do you see 870 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 3: looking back at you? 871 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. I think it depends on the day. 872 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, Like some days i wake up and look 873 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: in the mirror and I'm like, you know, I'm confident, 874 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm here to you know, like get 875 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: after it. I'm inspired. I'm I'm gonna like help my 876 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: athletes today. So some days I see like a very 877 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 1: confident individual that has like had a lot of success 878 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 1: from working really hard and being really lucky and taking risks. 879 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: And other days I wake up and I see like 880 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: someone that's like more scared and like just like not worth, 881 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: not worthy of where I'm at, or really like looking 882 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: more for help. And I think it just depends on 883 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 1: the day. You know, we're all humans and we all 884 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,359 Speaker 1: like some days we feel like the Hulk and other 885 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: days that we're just like I don't know if I 886 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: can do this. I think it depends. 887 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 2: It can be both. What garment are you running with 888 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 2: these days? 889 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 1: I'm running with the nine sixty five, which is with 890 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 1: the amold a molds. I can say it display and 891 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: it is like the most amazing watch ever. Like you 892 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: hear about people like being like, you know, like with cars. 893 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: They're like, because I have a really like old bad car, 894 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, you talk to people, They're like, well, I 895 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: want something that like makes me confident and like excited 896 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: to like get into, you know, And I'm like, hey, 897 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't really relate to that, but like with this watch, 898 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,720 Speaker 1: it's just like so fun makes everything better and easier. 899 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,839 Speaker 1: And sometimes it'll like pop on and be like I 900 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: love you or like like take a deep breath and 901 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, thank yous, or like they'll 902 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: tell me messages and like it's so random, and I 903 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: don't really but I think it just is like has 904 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,720 Speaker 1: a lot of really cool features that are fun. 905 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 3: I have an EPICX and I've never seen this before. 906 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,720 Speaker 3: I don't know why it happened, but the other morning 907 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 3: I went to pick it up and it said good 908 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 3: morning to me, and I was. 909 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah, yeah, like I know, I know. It's 910 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: so amazing. 911 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 2: I know, I know. 912 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 3: Although I will say that the garment and I do 913 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 3: get in a little bit of a fight whenever it 914 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 3: tells me that my fitness is down. 915 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,399 Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, don't listen to it. 916 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 2: It just has my best interest in mind. 917 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: Exactly wants you to rest or work out more or 918 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,280 Speaker 1: work out. 919 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 2: More good intention. 920 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 3: Okay, now, well, I know you said you're preparing for 921 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 3: the Olympic trials less than a year out. When you 922 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 3: think about keeping your head right prioritizing running, have you 923 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,360 Speaker 3: had any conversations or gotten any advice that really helps 924 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 3: you have your head on straight for this? 925 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: Most of my favorite advice comes from my dad because 926 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: he keeps me very like level headed, and you know, 927 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 1: just continuing to have fun with it, like making sure 928 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm having fun. You just got to get there healthy 929 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: and happy, and that'll give you the best shot. So 930 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 1: that's like the number one. 931 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 3: From what you've told us today, it sounds as though 932 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,359 Speaker 3: you've been able to be honest with yourself about when 933 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 3: you've been happy within this sport and when you haven't. 934 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 3: You know, like when it felt like it wasn't serving 935 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 3: you around after the college time and you pivoted a 936 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 3: little bit. It was such a gift for you to 937 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 3: enable you to rediscover the joy that you felt for running. 938 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,839 Speaker 3: Would you say that there were other times that you 939 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 3: were tempted to step away? 940 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: Before twenty eighteen, when I did my first marathon, I 941 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: was just running for fun. I was just running because 942 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,439 Speaker 1: I loved it. There was no pressure, I loved doing 943 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,880 Speaker 1: hard workouts, there was no like. It really kept me 944 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: healthy and happy. And so it was really only the 945 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: last five years that I've been running professionally or seriously, 946 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,399 Speaker 1: and no ever since then, I've been completely in love 947 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: with it and it's every day I'm happy to go 948 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,760 Speaker 1: on a run. I love where it's brought me. And 949 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,400 Speaker 1: so I haven't had that luckily, and I think, you know, 950 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: I think it's normal to have those periods. And if 951 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: there's a time where it's like sustained and I'm like, oh, 952 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm just not happy doing this anymore, like that's the 953 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: time to like maybe part with it. I don't see that. 954 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 1: The elite runners around me, and the elite runners I know, 955 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: we're all just like we just feel so lucky and 956 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 1: like love what we do and so like, I can't 957 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,080 Speaker 1: imagine I can't imagine wanting to step away anytime in 958 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:12,800 Speaker 1: the near future. 959 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,359 Speaker 2: We love to hear it. 960 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 3: We love to hear it all right right now, now 961 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 3: you have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of 962 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 3: advice during that hurdle of deciding you're going to go 963 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,360 Speaker 3: full time with this thing you're going to make running 964 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 3: your career. 965 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,240 Speaker 2: Knowing what you know now, what would you tell yourself? 966 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: Then? I would say do it your own way. Everyone's different, 967 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: and I think I'm very different. Don't compare yourself. Do 968 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: it the way that works for you. 969 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 2: Do it the way that works for you. 970 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 3: I'm so happy that we're able to set us sense 971 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 3: of time and catch up today. For the hurdlers that 972 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 3: don't follow along with you just yet, how do they 973 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 3: keep up with you on the socials? 974 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 2: Where do they go? 975 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 1: Well? Because I am not in my twenties anymore. I 976 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: do not have a TikTok, but probably to get one 977 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: because someone the other day I was like, you know 978 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,920 Speaker 1: that Instagram is like like for us as like Facebook 979 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: for you guys, And I was like, oh no, Like 980 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 1: that's so bad. I was like, oh awful. But Instagram 981 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: at noll row host running my website is real host, 982 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 1: running dot. 983 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 2: Com, row house running dot com. 984 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,800 Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily Body and at Hurdle Podcast another 985 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 3: Hurdle conquered. 986 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time