WEBVTT - Invention Playlist: The Motion Picture, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Invention, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Invention. My name is Robert lamp and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe McCormick, and we're back with another part of our

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<v Speaker 1>exploration of the invention of the motion picture. So, as

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<v Speaker 1>we were discussing in the previous episode, so, I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things we've we've been trying to lay

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<v Speaker 1>the groundwork for, is that the idea of the motion picture,

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<v Speaker 1>like the movies we watched today, was not one of

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<v Speaker 1>these inventions that just like comes out of nowhere, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Eureka moment that strikes some brilliant inventor's brain. The

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<v Speaker 1>motion picture very much grew out of several streams of

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<v Speaker 1>existing technology, right, absolutely, Yeah, there's not just one individual

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<v Speaker 1>as this is this dream of motion pictures and then

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<v Speaker 1>develops it, invents it, and then an unveils the motion

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<v Speaker 1>picture for a hungry for the hungry masses to view. Right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's something also that I think people's taste for

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<v Speaker 1>in a way had to develop up over time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can explore that more as the episodes

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<v Speaker 1>go on. But uh, where we're starting today, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there are three major streams of technology that are feeding

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<v Speaker 1>into the development of the motion picture. So one is

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<v Speaker 1>something we talked about last time that we might call

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<v Speaker 1>animation devices like the Phoenickista cope or the Phoenikista scope

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<v Speaker 1>it's been called both, or the zootrope. These were toys

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<v Speaker 1>that created an illusion of continuous motion by rolling through

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<v Speaker 1>a succession of still images that took advantage of loopholes

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that our eyes and our brains perceive images,

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<v Speaker 1>known as a parent movement. Basically, it was an optical

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<v Speaker 1>illusion that allowed a bunch of still images to appear

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<v Speaker 1>to us as something that is moving, right, And these

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<v Speaker 1>were devices that grew out of the age of photography.

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<v Speaker 1>So these were not ancient by any or really any

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<v Speaker 1>older than photographic technology. Right. But these early animation devices

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<v Speaker 1>were mostly known for animating like drawings or silhouette cutouts.

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<v Speaker 1>But an interesting question you might have wondered about at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, say it's the eighteen seventies of the eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighties or so, you might be getting to wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you could combine the optical principles here in the in

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<v Speaker 1>these animation devices of a parent movement generated by looking

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<v Speaker 1>at successive still images really fast with another technology and development,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course is photography, so to replace these hand

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<v Speaker 1>drawn or hand cut still images with direct records of

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<v Speaker 1>scenes in reality exactly. And then finally, another technology that

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<v Speaker 1>we've explored a lot less so far but will become

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<v Speaker 1>really important in today's episode that feeds into the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the motion picture is something that's known as the

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<v Speaker 1>magic lantern, and that's an invention that had existed for

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<v Speaker 1>centuries by the time of the motion picture was invented.

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially you can think of it as kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an early version of the slide projector. You ever like

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<v Speaker 1>go over to you know, back in the day, you

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<v Speaker 1>go over to somebody's house and they want to show

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<v Speaker 1>you pictures of their vacation, and they go through the

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<v Speaker 1>slide projector it shows them up on a screen or

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<v Speaker 1>up on the wall. Oh yeah, I mean, I fondly

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<v Speaker 1>remember my family's own slide projector. I was never really

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to mess with it, uh, and maybe that's why

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<v Speaker 1>it was so fascinating And then you broke it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I never never never got the chance. Okay, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>some some schools use these two occasionally. Yeah, I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>remember projectors, slide projectors coming up in in classroom environments

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah, But basically it combines a transparent plate

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<v Speaker 1>on which an image is drawn or otherwise captured, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lens and a light source that shines through

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<v Speaker 1>the plate that has the image on it, and through

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<v Speaker 1>the lens projecting the image on a surface or screen. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I should also add that, of course, you

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<v Speaker 1>have you have other old performance methods that involved you know,

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<v Speaker 1>shadow puppets, yes exactly, which would have also been a

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<v Speaker 1>projection based medium. Well, that's a really great point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>one way to create a very crude version of a

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<v Speaker 1>motion picture would be to use a magic lantern to

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<v Speaker 1>project images and then actually just to move the plate

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<v Speaker 1>or elements within the plate around, kind of like you

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<v Speaker 1>would move your hands in a shadow puppet show. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're projecting through a glass plate and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got things on the plate, you could kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>them dance around and fight each other and all that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. But obviously you'd be fairly limited in

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<v Speaker 1>what you could do with that. So all three of

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<v Speaker 1>these are not motion pictures, and yet they all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of converge into the idea of the motion picture. Right

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<v Speaker 1>if you combine these three principles, you've pretty much got

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest makings of a live action movie, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>not there yet. A sort of early combination of these

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<v Speaker 1>three elements was another device that we mentioned in the

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<v Speaker 1>last episode, the Zoa practice scope, which was invented by

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<v Speaker 1>Edward my Bridge, the photographer and inventor around the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the eighteen seventies. So you remember we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Edward my Bridge in the last episode where he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>just use one camera, but he would use a battery

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<v Speaker 1>of cameras to capture a bunch of images really fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely Yes, as the as a horse ran by, this

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<v Speaker 1>battery of cameras would go off, resulting in this this, this,

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<v Speaker 1>this series of images to portray the locomotion of the horse. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if he wanted to like show off those images

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that wasn't just like you know, looking

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<v Speaker 1>at them one at a time. He he could sort

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<v Speaker 1>of animate them together. And that's what the zoo practicoscope

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<v Speaker 1>was for. Uh. He used a very complicated process to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of treat and re render the silhouettes of all

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<v Speaker 1>those still images taken really fast by a battery of cameras,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it would put he would put them around

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<v Speaker 1>the edge of a glass disk in sequence, which could

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<v Speaker 1>then be rotated in front of a projected light source,

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<v Speaker 1>showing off the sort of realism of movement captured frame

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<v Speaker 1>by frame. But of course, even if you look at this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is sort of the principle of the motion picture.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think most people wouldn't think that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a movie just yet. Now, at this point in the story,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to reintroduce a character who has already shown

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<v Speaker 1>up on invention in the past. I believe he made

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<v Speaker 1>an appearance in our X ray episode. Oh really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he shows up a lot in the especially like the

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<v Speaker 1>second half of the nineteen hundreds. If you're dealing with inventions,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not he necessarily deserves all the credit for

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<v Speaker 1>some breakthrough, he may show up in the story, right

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<v Speaker 1>and you, yeah, you can't remove him from the story.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a major player, right. So this is where

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison enters the picture. So you may have heard

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<v Speaker 1>that the prolific inventor and businessman Thomas Alva Edison invented

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<v Speaker 1>the motion picture, And I think if that is what

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<v Speaker 1>you believe, you are sort of unwittingly a part of

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison's diabolical plan. Uh, though he did play a

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<v Speaker 1>very important role in the early development of the motion

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<v Speaker 1>picture I don't want to play that game. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people really love to sort of over demonize Thomas Edison.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are some very valid critiques of the

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<v Speaker 1>man historically, but you know, a lot of people just

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<v Speaker 1>like that. They go the Tesla versus Edison route, and

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<v Speaker 1>like Tesla is the hero and Edison's the villain. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's basically true. A lot of what

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison did was come up with, or catch wind

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<v Speaker 1>of innovative technological concepts that are sort of on the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of discovery, and then hire other people to do

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<v Speaker 1>the heavy lifting of designing these things, so then Edison

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<v Speaker 1>could reap the much of the profit and the credit himself.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of these assistants that Edison hired who worked

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<v Speaker 1>for Edison was a guy named William Kennedy Lorie Dickson,

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<v Speaker 1>also known often in books referenced as W. K. L.

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<v Speaker 1>Dixon and Dickson was a photographer, and this may have

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<v Speaker 1>been part of the reason that in June eight eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Edison selected him to actually design a device that Edison

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<v Speaker 1>had kind of conceptualized, which he was calling the kinetoscope,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, from kineto meaning movement and scope meaning like

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<v Speaker 1>to see or to watch. But you might wonder where

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<v Speaker 1>did Edison get this idea from. Well, we can't know

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<v Speaker 1>for sure all of what Edison had in mind before this,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think there's some indication he may have already

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<v Speaker 1>been interested in the idea of move being images. But

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we do know that I was reading about

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<v Speaker 1>is that in eighty eight Edward my Bridge visited Edison's

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<v Speaker 1>laboratory in New Jersey. Apparently my Bridge was there to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest a partnership. UH see, Edison and his lab workers

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<v Speaker 1>had recently invented a device, or not not quite so recently.

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<v Speaker 1>It was around eighteen seventy seven. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>patented in eighteen seventy eight called the phonograph, And the

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<v Speaker 1>phonograph was huge. It was a big breakthrough. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a sound recording and playback device that was immensely popular.

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<v Speaker 1>It would later evolve into the record player, though the

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<v Speaker 1>original uh phonograph both recorded and played back cylinders, not disks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I remember correctly, These pop up in

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<v Speaker 1>brom Stoker's novel Dracula Really yeah, some of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all a little bits, tidbits from various people's journals

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<v Speaker 1>and diaries and in some cases their cylinder recording. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Seward does he do dictation on phonograph cylinders? See,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember exactly which characters. I know it's not Dracula,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are no chapters from Dracula's perspective, unfortunately. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So so Edison and his people they had the phonograph,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was this very popular revolutionary technology could record

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<v Speaker 1>in playback sound. And so in February of eight, my

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge showed up with an idea. He said, Hey, let's collaborate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll pare your phonograph with Miso practice scope, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have sound accompanying moving pictures, which is perfect. Like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the direction things we're gonna go in. Edison passed,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like not interested. But then pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>immediately Edison moved on the idea of creating an improved

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<v Speaker 1>motion picture capture and playback device quote to do for

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<v Speaker 1>the eye what the phonograph does for the ear. And

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<v Speaker 1>this would be the kinetoscope that we mentioned a moment ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think you can say that Edison was

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<v Speaker 1>stealing my Bridge's idea because what they would eventually come

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<v Speaker 1>up with was so much better and more practical than

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<v Speaker 1>the Zoo practice practice code. But it does seem right

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<v Speaker 1>that he thought, you know, instead of partnering with this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I can just make a much better version of his thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether that's crooked or not, I don't know. I'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>that up to you to judge. So in eighteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Edison tasks uh William Dixon, his his worker W. K. L. Dixon,

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<v Speaker 1>with inventing this device that he has conceptualized to do

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<v Speaker 1>for the eye what the phonograph did for the year,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially a video recording and playback device, and apparently early

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<v Speaker 1>prototypes did not work very well. One idea seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be inspired by the phonograph cylinder, Uh, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you would place tiny reflective photos on

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<v Speaker 1>a cylinder that would simulate motion through reflected light. As

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<v Speaker 1>the cylinder spun, you can kind of just like picture.

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<v Speaker 1>That not working very well, so you might want or okay,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we solve these problems? Well. In the last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the French physiologist A Tene Jules Moray

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<v Speaker 1>who in the eighteen seventies invented this device that was

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<v Speaker 1>called the Chrono photographic gun, or at least that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we called it at the Chrona Photograph uh And it

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<v Speaker 1>was like this scientific instrument. It's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>machine gun for taking pictures. Its goal was to rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>capture a lot of photographs very quickly, around twelve photos

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<v Speaker 1>per second on a rotating piece of glass on which

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<v Speaker 1>photographic emulsions had been prepared inside a drum. That makes

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<v Speaker 1>it look kind of like a mutated Tommy gun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's super weird. It's like a Wizards machine gun. It's whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. Uh So, so it's a precursor in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie camera in a way. But it also straight up

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a rifle. And Murray was inspired by Edward

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<v Speaker 1>my Bridge's work and he used the chrona Photographic gun

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<v Speaker 1>to take lots of pictures really fast, of like birds

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<v Speaker 1>in flight, to get a better idea of what's happened

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<v Speaker 1>with the movements of a bird's wings and body during flight,

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<v Speaker 1>which normally happens too fast for us to see is

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<v Speaker 1>just a blur. So Murray was very much in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the spirit of science. He was not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>create an entertainment device. He was trying to study nature,

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<v Speaker 1>study the locomotion and of birds in this case. So

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, Murray's Gun was a step in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction toward motion pictures. But because it it has

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<v Speaker 1>some limitations that either variously relied on either plate glass

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<v Speaker 1>exposures or relatively fragile paper film, there's no way you

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<v Speaker 1>could use it to record more than a very short

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<v Speaker 1>period of motion, maybe like a second or two, and

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't effectively load and have ready enough of the

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<v Speaker 1>medium it recorded the images on to make it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something that could record for extended periods of time. But

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<v Speaker 1>it seems Edison did draw some inspiration from Murray in principle.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where another individual from a past episode

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<v Speaker 1>pops up, an individual who played an important role in

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<v Speaker 1>the development of photographic technology. G George Eastman. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Eastman played an important role, uh with helping come

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<v Speaker 1>up with the medium. So Eastman of Eastman Kodak, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>who we discussed previously, had created paper film rolls that

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<v Speaker 1>did not require glass plates. And this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>an important step in in thinking about the media on

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<v Speaker 1>which photographs are recorded, because just think about if you

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<v Speaker 1>had to create a movie cameras capturing I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're trying to capture forty frames per second or

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're going low and just trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>like sixteen frames per second or something, and you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that all on like glass plates. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? You do use like glass glass plates

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<v Speaker 1>framed with wood that are on like a belt chain

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<v Speaker 1>together to go past the camera to get exposed. How

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<v Speaker 1>many times per second? You can imagine how the medium

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<v Speaker 1>there makes the camera set up really unwieldy and and

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<v Speaker 1>to a certain extent, impossible to record more than a

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<v Speaker 1>few seconds at a time. Right, Yeah, you're coming up

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<v Speaker 1>against the hard limits of the of the material there.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to see one of these, though. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure there's a great version of like a steampunk video

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<v Speaker 1>game or something that has like just like giant drums

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<v Speaker 1>of glass plate belts rattling through as the cameras shooting

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<v Speaker 1>on them. Uh So, one thing Eastman had created by

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty eight was paper film roles that didn't require

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<v Speaker 1>glass plates. Uh this wasn't the first paper film, but

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<v Speaker 1>this was a version of paper film. Uh and and

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<v Speaker 1>this is an improvement because you can imagine at least okay,

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<v Speaker 1>paper can be like rolled up in great quantities that

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<v Speaker 1>you could feed through a camera if you needed to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot tons of photos in quick succession. Right, it begins

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<v Speaker 1>to to make it possible to really um capture footage

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<v Speaker 1>of of of the world in action. Yeah, but this

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<v Speaker 1>paper film was relatively fragile, flimsy, difficult to work with.

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<v Speaker 1>It just wasn't very good. Meanwhile, a year before, in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty seven, an American Episcopalian rector named Hannibal Goodwin

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<v Speaker 1>who lived in Newark, New Jersey, came up with a

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<v Speaker 1>different ideas, an idea for a medium for photographic exposures,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be celluloid. Now, celluloid is a transparent

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<v Speaker 1>kind of synthetic plastic invented in the eighteen sixties. And

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<v Speaker 1>to to make it, you can start with natural cellulose,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a plant polymer that you'd find in cotton

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<v Speaker 1>or wood or in himp. Cotton is like mostly cellulose,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can just picture a ball of cotton, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you take that cell cellulose and you treat it

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<v Speaker 1>with nitric acid and this gives you an extremely flammable

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<v Speaker 1>plastic compound called nitro cellulose, and nitro cellulose and celluloid

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<v Speaker 1>become the early basis of film technology, creating these continuous

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<v Speaker 1>strips of plastic that could serve as film roles. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>And originally, though it's funny reading about how celluloid plastic

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<v Speaker 1>in the like eighteen sixties seventies that served all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of weird uses, or at least people imagined it would

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<v Speaker 1>like as a substitute for expensive precious materials like ivory,

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<v Speaker 1>or it was also used in clothing. I've read something

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<v Speaker 1>about like men's shirts and stuff being having cell celluloid components.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one was I read about somebody's idea to use

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<v Speaker 1>celluloid to make billiard balls. Um. But eventually Eastman and

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<v Speaker 1>collaborators would switch over to producing roles of celluloid based film,

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<v Speaker 1>and this could be manufactured in the kinds of long,

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<v Speaker 1>durable roles necessary for exposing the dozens or hundreds or

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of shots necessary to record more than a second

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<v Speaker 1>or two of motion picture. Uh. Though Eastman did have

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<v Speaker 1>a long running patent dispute with Hannibal Goodwin and his

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<v Speaker 1>estate about celluloid film. They had to go back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth about who had the rights to do what with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But once this durable plastic film celluloid film was available

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<v Speaker 1>in bulk from Eastman, William Dixon and Edison and colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly had new kinds of option is open to them,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this would allow you to do a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>with filming the world and why did they ever film

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<v Speaker 1>the world? We're going to take a quick break and

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back we'll continue our discussion with the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the motion picture. Alright, We're back, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess we should discuss some design issues with

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<v Speaker 1>the movie camera that William Dixon in Edison's lab was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to create. One problem would be this, do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever think about the like, how does a movie camera

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<v Speaker 1>simulate motion? In the last episode we talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>it has to simulate motion by showing you still images

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<v Speaker 1>in a very rapid succession. This is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the optical illusion works. Uh. And it doesn't work to

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<v Speaker 1>take say a few hundred photos in succession and then

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<v Speaker 1>roll them past your eyes in one smooth emotion, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because what would you see there? Just a blur? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>That won't cut it right. I mean, that's not showing

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<v Speaker 1>you a succession of still in images. That's just showing

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<v Speaker 1>you images that are moving top to bottom or moving

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<v Speaker 1>side to side too fast for you to look at them.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead, what you have to do is find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to project lots of distinct, unmoving images very rapidly,

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<v Speaker 1>one after another. So how to do that? Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever think about what celluloid film roles look like,

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<v Speaker 1>especially movie film, you know those holes in the sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the film strip, Well that's where they come in. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>These holes allowed their devices to rapidly grab the film

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<v Speaker 1>strip with a fast moving lever that had teeth to

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<v Speaker 1>fit the holes, advance exactly one frame, project that frame

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<v Speaker 1>through the shutter without moving it, and then close the

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<v Speaker 1>shutter and advance the next frame. So you're hitting here's

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<v Speaker 1>the image, and then here's the new image, here's the

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<v Speaker 1>here's the next image. Yeah again, not just running it

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<v Speaker 1>through like it's the like the belt on an engine, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but dozens of frames for second and it has to

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<v Speaker 1>stop on each one. So in AUGUSTE. Edison filed for

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<v Speaker 1>a patent on two separate machines, the kinetic graph, which

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<v Speaker 1>was the movie camera and the Kineta scope, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the movie playback device. And these were two separate things,

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<v Speaker 1>so that the Kinetic Graph camera was this gigantic, monstrous

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<v Speaker 1>electrical device for shooting films. It weighed like a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>pounds or something. It was huge. Uh. It used components

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<v Speaker 1>modeled on the internal workings of a clock to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>the regular stop and start motion of advancing the film

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<v Speaker 1>and stopping it one frame at a time, and to

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<v Speaker 1>synchronize the opening of the shutter with the placement of

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<v Speaker 1>the next frame. And this device initially filmed at a

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<v Speaker 1>rate of about forty frames per second. Meanwhile, the Kineta

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<v Speaker 1>scope was a large wooden cabinet about four ft high

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<v Speaker 1>that held a film strip inside, and this was the

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated playback device for films made on the Kinetic graph.

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<v Speaker 1>The viewer would look through a lens at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the cabinet, kind of like the eyepiece for a

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<v Speaker 1>view master. Did you ever have one of those? Okay, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not really a screen. It's like binoculars that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you put your eyes in and you look

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<v Speaker 1>down into the machine, and inside the machine the film

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<v Speaker 1>hung from rollers and during playback it would be advanced rapidly,

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<v Speaker 1>one frame at a time by an electrically powered sprocket

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<v Speaker 1>with an electric lamp shining up through each frame into

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<v Speaker 1>the viewing lens, which allows you to see the motion

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<v Speaker 1>picture projected into your eyes. Right, and now that this

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<v Speaker 1>is impressive, don't get me wrong. But but obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>limitations are apparent, Like this is a device that can

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<v Speaker 1>be used by one person at a time. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a large cabinet. Uh, it's more like a peep show

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to what you might think of as a

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<v Speaker 1>as movie viewing, certainly as a communal experience. That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, can you imagine a world where everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>just walking around staring into their own individual devices to

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<v Speaker 1>watch video and weren't interacting with each other. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is a great point because the history of of

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<v Speaker 1>motion picture technology, cinematic technology, the ability to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>moving image. Uh, it's kind of you see these different

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<v Speaker 1>trends like the like, like something will be individual and

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<v Speaker 1>then it will go communal, and then there'll be new

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<v Speaker 1>ways to make it more individual again and generally with

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<v Speaker 1>the we see it both ways. Like here, the advancements

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<v Speaker 1>would make movie viewing more communal, and then later on

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<v Speaker 1>it would be in the different direction. Let's take let's

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<v Speaker 1>take this thing that is that has to be communal,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's let you do it in the privacy of

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<v Speaker 1>your own home. Um, and I imagine you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're pros and cons with with both with both directions. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this was a very different viewing experience, even

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<v Speaker 1>then looking at a video on your phone. Uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>was just extremely different because number one, um, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about where these kinetoscopes were deployed,

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<v Speaker 1>but they would be out in public semi public places,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you could go use one. And while

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<v Speaker 1>the kinetoscope parlor might be a happen and hang out

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<v Speaker 1>when you view the movie, you're viewing it alone with

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<v Speaker 1>your face attached to a box. That's not like going

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<v Speaker 1>to a movie theater, like you're saying. It's completely different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of culture around how these things are viewed. But

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<v Speaker 1>also the films had to be very different then because

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<v Speaker 1>of the technical physical limitations on the film strips, on

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<v Speaker 1>the kinetograph, and on the kinetoscope the way they were built,

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<v Speaker 1>you can only accommodate about fifty feet or about fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>meters of celluloid film at a time and then play

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<v Speaker 1>it back. So this severely limits the length that the

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<v Speaker 1>film can be. It makes it you know, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be maybe fifteen seconds or so. So let's say you

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<v Speaker 1>saunter up to a kinetoscope, you know, you go, you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the local kinetoscope parlor and you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a look see into one of these things. What did

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<v Speaker 1>you watch in there? Well, Edison essentially had to become

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<v Speaker 1>not just an inventor, but a a media mogul, like

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<v Speaker 1>a film producer, because nobody else was making films to

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<v Speaker 1>go in this thing. He had to make the content

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<v Speaker 1>to go in the device. So he founded a movie

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<v Speaker 1>studio in West Orange, New Jersey to record the first

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<v Speaker 1>real commercial motion pictures. And these movies tended to be

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<v Speaker 1>like short spectacles. Uh. Again, due to the limitations on

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<v Speaker 1>the technology, they couldn't be more than, you know, fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>seconds or so. And they didn't have dedicated sound because

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<v Speaker 1>even though Edison was into pairing this thing with the phonograph,

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't yet figure out how to synchronize the movie

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<v Speaker 1>and the sound right. And at the time, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really a practice of film editing, which meant that the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the convention was that the film would be

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<v Speaker 1>shot in one take. So what ended up on these

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<v Speaker 1>early films were things that were brief and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to look at and could be done all at

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<v Speaker 1>once in one take. Many of them were like quick

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<v Speaker 1>vaudeville acts featuring slapstick comedy or circus performances like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so Ballerina's dancing, or people like doing trapeze acts, or

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<v Speaker 1>a strong man lifting something. Right. I mean, basically, the

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<v Speaker 1>technology allowed you to capture motion, and so you just

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>had to go out and find interesting examples of motion.

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<v Speaker 1>The person doing this, an animal doing this, a machine

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<v Speaker 1>doing this. Now that might sound boring to us, but

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<v Speaker 1>these things people were very interested in seeing this, Like

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<v Speaker 1>this was a hot technology. People were into it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, I can imagine, you know, we can

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how it's not a communal thing to watch it,

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>but you know, you might go with somebody to see this.

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<v Speaker 1>You would each have your turn looking into the machine,

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<v Speaker 1>witnessing the motion, and then you would inevitably talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see that? Was that not amazing? You just

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<v Speaker 1>you looked in it and and there it was brought

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<v Speaker 1>to life. Yeah, and so in the eight ten nineties, kinetoscopes,

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<v Speaker 1>the viewing machines were bought and put anywhere I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>you might normally see some kind of cabinet attraction or

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<v Speaker 1>game machine, So amusement parks, the lobbies of public buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Dedicated kinetoscope parlors also became popular, starting

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City. They were sort of like a

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<v Speaker 1>video arcade where people would go and line up at cabinets,

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 1>not to play street fighter, but to look through the

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>peep hole and watch the films inside the boxes. I

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.159
<v Speaker 1>am trying to imagine what it would what what it

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>would have been like to be in one of these

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>uh kinetoscope parlors, because you'd have it was like a

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>public setting, but you would be frequently while you were there,

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>like going into this other world for fifteen seconds or so,

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 1>where you would lose your body and you disappear into

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the machine and the machine is your awareness, but everybody

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 1>could see you. So you're just standing there with your

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>face in this cabinet and like you, I don't know

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>this this weird public, private kind of thing, you know,

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what it would be like. I remember

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>when when we went to New York City and we

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.879
<v Speaker 1>went to a premiere of One Strange Rock. Okay, they

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.400
<v Speaker 1>had these helmets. When you put the helmet on and

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you would it was like part of the marketing thing. Yeah,

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the daft punk helmets, and it was like this daft punk,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>like really cool helmets, very well designed. You put them

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 1>on and you would get to see in here in

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>this case, um like essentially a trailer for the show,

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was pretty impressive projecting it inside a screen

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>on the inside of the helmet. So you're just sitting

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>there in a room full of people having cocktails and

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>wandering around and you've got a helmet on and you're

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 1>like drooling. Well yeah, so I imagine that's kind of

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>what this was like. Okay, well that was I'm not

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>saying I didn't appreciate the experience. It was a little

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 1>awkward standing there in a room full of people with

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:32.959
<v Speaker 1>your own consciousness engaged inside a device. Yeah, but then

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.160
<v Speaker 1>when you put the device on, it's pretty cool. And likewise,

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the kinetoscope would have had a similar experience. Again, it's

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>just I imagine a lot of people standing around talking

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 1>about it, like man what was it like when you

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 1>looked into it. Did you see that horse running? Did

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 1>you see that you know whatever, the particular bit of

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>motion that was captured, whatever it was like, people would

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>just be geeking out over it. Yeah, And so what

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.120
<v Speaker 1>did Edison think about the potential of this this thing?

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously people were excited about it. You get

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of mixed feelings reading about this that in some

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>ways it seems like he didn't at first seem to

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>fully realize the potential of films as their own extended medium,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Like he obviously failed to make some certain leaps from

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the kinetoscope and the kinetograph immediately, right, Like it's easy

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>to imagine, I'm guessing where you're thinking, Like, Okay, I've

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>created an entertaining, uh side show, a machine for amusement,

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and I can see them continuing to be a successful thing.

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Like maybe it's it's like a pinball machine exactly, there's

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the one in the front of a pizza joint. Yeah,

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and maybe if you're like really savvy, you might see

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.439
<v Speaker 1>the future nefarious uses of essentially peep show machines. But

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, like you're not imagining the Academy

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 1>Awards but then at the same time, I mean Edison,

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>he says like some grandiose stuff about it there. This

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>was later, I think this was in like in the

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteen teens or something, But I found a quote where

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 1>he once remarked, I am spending more than my income

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>getting up a set of six thousand films to teach

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen million students in the schools of the United

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 1>States to do away entirely with books. Dear god Edison,

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>step back, friend, Well, I mean, clearly he was. He

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>he had doubled down on that point and said, no,

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 1>not only is this an important technology, it's the important technology.

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>It's going to erase the written word from our schools. Now. Edison, Dixon,

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>and and the people we've mentioned so far definitely were

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 1>not the only people to serve in the creation of

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>motion pictures around the you know, the eighteen eighties. This

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>was in the air and other people were sort of

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 1>working on this. It does seem that Dixon and Edison

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>got there first with commercially viable, patented machines, but it

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>seems that a French inventor named Louis la Prince got

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>there before Edison's lab to make a movie camera that worked,

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>though he never got to capitalize on his work. Uh

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>La Prince invented a motion picture camera. He shot several

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>films in England around the year eighteen eighty eight, and

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>he'd been planning to show off his invention in the

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>United States in the year eight teen ninety. But then

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>something very strange happened. Mysteriously, he disappeared before he had

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a chance to show off his invention. And we're actually

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>going to devote an entire episode to this subject to

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>explore this mystery, in an episode where we'll be joined

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>next time by our friend Scott Benjamin. But a short

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>version is that that Edison is the name that remains

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>important here. Yes, certainly is getting the credit, right, though

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I think more recent historians would probably say it looks

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>like Dixon did more of the work, and of course

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Edison just sort of like owned his work and was

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>his boss and then got the credit for it. All Right, Well,

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>on that note, we're going to take a quick break,

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>But when we come back, we're going to discuss another

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>pair of individuals who are exceedingly important in the development

0:29:51.760 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>of motion picture technology. We're gonna talk about the Lumier brothers. Alright,

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>we're back. So Robert tell me about the Loumier brothers.

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, uh, just like it sounds, there are

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>two of them. They're brothers. There's Auguste Lumier and Louis Loumier. Um. Uh.

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 1>August lived eighteen sixty two through nineteen fifty four and

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Louis lived eighteen sixty four through ninety eight. So they

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>were the French sons of the painter turned photographer Antoine Lumier. Uh.

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So basically they were both born into the photographic world. Uh.

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>And they both had an aptitude for science. At the

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>age of eighteen, with his father's help, Louis opened a

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>factory for photographic plates and it was quite successful. Um.

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, this becomes this is the family

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>business at this point. Meanwhile, their father, Um, he attends

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a showing of Edison's kinetoscope in Paris and was really

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>impressed by it. So he comes back and he tells

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>his sons about it, and they began to work on

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the problem of animating objections projections. Okay, so now remember

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the kinetoscope we were just talking about is a cabinet

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>where you have a private experience with a moving picture.

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>The cabinet might be at a parlor or business somewhere,

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and you go and you stick your face in it

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.959
<v Speaker 1>and you can watch a fifteen second movie of uh,

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, a circus act or a vaudeville show. Right. Yes,

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>it's it's like it's like going to a gathering and

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>someone is showing something on a like a tiny iPhone screen. Yeah,

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>you know if you get to look at it one

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>at a time, right, yeah, that sort of thing. But

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 1>so the brothers here they questioned, you know, what else

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>was possible? What can we do with projection? So they

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>created a camera, uh this cinematography, and that could photograph

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and project project at sixteen frames per second. And it

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>had a number of advantages over Edison's invention. It was

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 1>far lighter. Oh yeah, Edison's Now remember the kinematic graph

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>the camera they used that was like it was gigantic.

0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>It was like a thousand pounds or said. This was lighter,

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it was more portable, um and uh. And then when

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>you're actually projecting the resulting footage, it moved at a

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>slower speed as well, creating a more fluid movement movement.

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>It was also far less noisy, because that was another

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>thing about Kinetograph is that it was it was noisy.

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Another key improvement, though, is that more than one person

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>could watch the film at a time. Seems like a

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>big deal. Yeah. To quote Caroline Slade in her two

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>thousand twelve Telegraph article about the Brothers, uh quote, the

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Lumier's cinema, cinematography not only created the filmmaker, it created

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the viewer. That's interesting because again there's no I mean,

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>when you have when you create media, you created for

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>an audience, and when there was previously no wide audience

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>for a certain kind of media, you have to make

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that audience somehow. You have to like teach them how

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>to receive what you're producing. And kind of like what

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I said earlier, cinema was for the longest time, and

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>in large part still is about communal viewing. I mean,

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>technology has introduced different waves of private viewing over the years,

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, be it uh you know, TV broadcasts or

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>VHS tapes, etcetera. Uh, you know, and it's it's impacted

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:15.959
<v Speaker 1>the medium and the way we engage with it. But

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>we still place a high priority on communal viewing. We

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>may not like the people that sometimes we have to

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>watch a film with if they're like too noisy, or

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>they you know, they eat your popcorn too loud. But

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think by and large, if we want

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to share the viewing experience with someone, yes, I mean

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>it's it's like the experience of going to a play,

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>except of course it's a movie. I mean, being an

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>audience is a communal experience, and there is it can

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>be moving at times, like when you go see a

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 1>big new movie that's really good and the audience is

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>excited about it and they're cheering and they're clapping. That's

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>part of the experience too. It's not just like you know,

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you're there with the movie and there happened to be

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>other people around you. I mean, all movies today could

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>be released directive video. There's no reason that they that

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't be except that there apparently just is still

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>desire for people to go to movie theaters, right. And

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I think about that a lot because I'm often the

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>person who's like, I have to wait for this Avengers

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>movie to show up on an airplane. Can't I just

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>watch it and let it? Now? You know why I

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 1>don't want to go to a theater and spend three

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>hours there and and so sometimes if i'm more, you know,

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm grumpier about it, I'll think, Oh, it's just the

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>nobody actually wants to go to a theater. This is

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>just the theater industry. But but no, I think people do.

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we do want to go see films we

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>care about in a theater. There's something about the theater

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:40.240
<v Speaker 1>experience especially, and at least there's something about the communal

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>viewing experience, especially if something is supposed to be funny. Yes,

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>that that is huge the laughter or I think actually also, um,

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>it's important with horror movies, horror movies that the audience

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>plays a role there too, and it might actually have

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to do with laughter. I mean, if if you see

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a horror movie in the theater, you will encounter sometimes

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>as much laughter as you do when you're seeing a

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>good comedy, either because the horror movie is bad, as

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>it often is, and it becomes very funny, or because

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.720
<v Speaker 1>it's very good and there's a constant kind of low

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>level nervous release going on whenever tension is alleviated somehow

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>in the film. Yeah, Christian and I did an entire

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>episode of stuff to blow your mind about that a

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>few years back. So you can people can look for

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.439
<v Speaker 1>that at stuff to blow your mind dot com. Uh so,

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 1>let's let's get back to the French brothers here, okay,

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>uh and the and essentially they were in the same

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 1>boat as as Edison, like, you create this technology, now

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>you've got to create some films. I don't know what.

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just realized I'm picturing both of them

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>as the candlestick from Beauty and the beast. That was

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 1>his name, right, was it? Was it Loumier? Okay, well

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that was that must have been their their their reference there, No,

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>they were. They both looked more like Cogsworth alright. So

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>their initial experiments, for the most part, involved simple captures

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 1>of daily French life, um like. For instance, we look

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>at the ten short films that they initially unveiled. They

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>were all less than fifty seconds each, and most featured

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>scenes such as workers leaving the Lumier factory, which is

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 1>just you see a bunch of frenchmen, uh like, walking

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>out of a factory, and it's, you know, given given

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the state of the technology at the time, it's impressive. Right.

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>There's also Baby's Breakfast, which is a pair of like

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 1>a mom and a dad, presumably feeding a baby, and uh, yeah,

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 1>it's it's impressive. But then the crazy thing we talked

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>about the importance of comedy. One of the films is

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the Gardener or the Sprinkler Sprinkled, and this is a

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>forty nine second film of UH in which a gardener

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.439
<v Speaker 1>is like spraying a garden and then a kid comes

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>behind him and stands on the hose, and then the

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 1>gardeners like, what why the water stop? And of course

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>he does the comedic thing. He looks at the hose

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>like stares down the barrel of the Then the kid

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>jumps off the hose and the gardener gets squirted in

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the face. And so that's good. It's really good. But

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly done for comedic effect. It is, you know,

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>it's you could compare it, I guess to like um

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Blooper's show or Candid Camera or you know, later on

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 1>like the Jackass TV shows. You know, it's essentially uh,

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's all about the comedy. It's meant

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to generate laughter. So it's interesting to to to think

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>about that, like this is the first crop of tin

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>films and they've already touched on UH some sort of

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>narrative comedy. A friend of mine in high school I

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>actually remember, talked about this short film. He was talking

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 1>about it and he, uh, he said that basically the

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>film is mostly the same today, except now it would

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>say punked at the end, Yeah, exactly, punked. Um. So

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>from you know, from there that, you know, they would

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 1>get into you know, into shorts that were comedic, and

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>they would later present the first newsreel and some of

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the first documents rays, uh, these covering the Leon fire Department.

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>And by eighteen eighty six they were sending crews out

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>to capture footage from around the world and they am

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>asked thousands of films. So you know, they were not

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>only inventors, but they are also some of our first cinematographers.

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I do think this is interesting. We're seeing with both

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Edison and the Lumire brothers that in the eighteen nineties,

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:23.879
<v Speaker 1>again there wasn't yet this division between the technical side

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and the artistic side. They were like fully merged. You know,

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 1>you're you're doing both because if you want to have

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>an audience for this thing you invented, you've got to

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 1>create media for it. Nobody else is doing that yet,

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>so uh, one thing I wonder is about what that

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.720
<v Speaker 1>divergence looks like over time, Like Wind is making films

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>become an art and not something that's associated with the

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>technical side of like inventing or maintaining equipment for making films. Well,

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>this is something that becomes difficult to nail down, right

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>because even like these for first ten films from the Brothers,

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're not just like Crewe demonstrations of of

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 1>the techno oology, like there is at least some art

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 1>to them. So, um, yeah, definitely in the Sprinkler Sprinkled, Yeah,

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like if you if you have to, if

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you're asking the question like what is the first film

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>that has made like for the joy of filmmaking, I

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.359
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Um, like it's there's a lot a lot

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of joy and the Sprinkler Sprinkled, Well, I just wonder

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>there probably is an answer to this that somebody is

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>positive before. But who was the first filmmaker who had

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:29.919
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with making cameras or anything? Uh, Well,

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that's I think that's a question we'll have to come

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>back to now. As for the Loumire brothers, you know,

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they were they were true innovators and they were they

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:39.839
<v Speaker 1>were ahead of the curve on their invention, and yet

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of like Edison was, at least initially, they may

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>not have really seen the full potential of what they

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 1>were they were working with. Well, I think they were

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>also still limited by their technology to like longer than

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the Edison films, but still shorter than the films that

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>would come later. Right, Yeah, they were. They were limited

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>by what they could do at the time. But but

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>even then they're often quoted as having said, quote, the

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 1>cinema is an invention without any future. Uh. They didn't

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>sell their camera to other filmmakers. And now part of

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it too with with both the Lumier brothers and Edison,

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>is they weren't like all in on films like Edison,

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of interests. Uh. And then the Lumiser

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>brothers were also important made important in advancements in color photography.

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>They had their they had their whole photographic business going.

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's it's not what like they were

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>like clinging to this one invention or that they had

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>all their eggs in this one basket. So perhaps we can,

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, forgive them for not having you know, the

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>clearest vision of where this technology was going but as

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>we said before, I mean that's the danger of hindsight.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.879
<v Speaker 1>Like it's easy to look back at this invention and say, well,

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 1>how come on, Lumier brothers, how come you couldn't predict

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the box office success of the Avengers in game based

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>on this technology, based on the sprinkler sprinkled Well, I

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>would have to think one reason might not yet have

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>been able to predict that is that artists hadn't come

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 1>along yet, just pure artists who would take the craft

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>of filmmaking to new heights. I mean, one thing you

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:14.800
<v Speaker 1>have to consider now is that is how crucial editing

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:20.399
<v Speaker 1>is too good visual storytelling on on film and these

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 1>early things we're seeing, you know, the stuff made by

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the Edison Labs and by the lomi Are brothers. Um.

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't recall if the Lomie Air Brothers had used

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 1>editing yet. They may have employed editing, but if they did,

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>it was certainly not to the extent that it would

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.359
<v Speaker 1>be employed by filmmakers later to you know, really get

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the best of each angle and the best the best

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 1>performances out of a number of takes, and to put

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 1>things together in time different times in places like That's

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>how storytelling really takes off through the visual medium of

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the motion picture, right, I mean, it's really it's almost

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:57.319
<v Speaker 1>like thinking about the difference between just marveling at the

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>wonder of being able to say, capture spoken language in

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>written words, and comparing that in that to say, the

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>difference between just the wonder of watching footage of a

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:13.760
<v Speaker 1>horse running versus seeing an actually fully composed motion picture. Um,

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that's part of it. Like, we're

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:21.240
<v Speaker 1>still discussing examples of of the of of motion pictures

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that are not truly telling stories yet, and they're certainly

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>not manipulating our our our senses and our cognition to

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the level that that films ultimately would manipulate us. But

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to come back and discuss all that

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 1>in a future episode. That's right, We're not done with

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>the motion picture yet, And next time, we got a

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.880
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