Speaker 1: They're gonna try to stop the run, and they're one
Speaker 1: of the best in the league and they want to
Speaker 1: establish the run on their side, and we got to
Speaker 1: match that physicality. Trenton gil Fields of the twenty four
Speaker 1: escapes nice run back, only one man to beat and
Speaker 1: Gil down the sidelines, skirting the sidelines and takes it
Speaker 1: all the way into there's a flag down. Give it
Speaker 1: to foreman and he's in the anata. Foreman takes it
Speaker 1: into the touchdown field goal at check for Eddie Periro
Speaker 1: and Nero's kick is no good. That's right.
Speaker 2: Eddie Panio comes up short on a fifty nine field go,
Speaker 2: robbing us of a chance for overtime between Bears Panthers.
Speaker 2: Bears win sixteen to thirteen. And I gotta admit Mina
Speaker 2: chimes with me on this Thursday night recap that I
Speaker 2: was getting increasingly anxious, Mina, that I asked you to
Speaker 2: join me for this, of all games, and that it
Speaker 2: was potentially going to overtime, Like I was just feeling
Speaker 2: like internal guilt that I, as a friend, asked you
Speaker 2: to do this and you were nice enough to say yes,
Speaker 2: and that this thing might be going late night.
Speaker 3: Oh Michaels was so stoked when he missed, like, no,
Speaker 3: the he's just trying to hide it a little bit,
Speaker 3: but like the tone of his voice when he made.
Speaker 4: The call, he was just so delighted.
Speaker 3: We knew we were in for. I knew what I
Speaker 3: was in for. I signed up for this game.
Speaker 4: I chow you.
Speaker 3: We talked about doing last week and I said, no, Greg,
Speaker 3: let's wait because I have you on my podcast today,
Speaker 3: the Minachime Show featuring Lenny first episode back in a while.
Speaker 4: Check it out where you get pods.
Speaker 3: We previewed a bunch of hopefully better games, and I said,
Speaker 3: let's record that night so that the listeners can I can,
Speaker 3: you know, advertise your appearance and so I you know
Speaker 3: nothing to know my impression of this team. I guess
Speaker 3: at that time, I thought maybe we get justin fields,
Speaker 3: which would have been a little more exciting, But you know.
Speaker 4: I was I was committed.
Speaker 2: I thought, I mean, now you're making me even more
Speaker 2: anxious that you beat me to plug in your show
Speaker 2: before I did. No, but the football season is much
Speaker 2: better with Mina and one of my favorite podcasts. I
Speaker 2: almost was thinking like, oh, I want to listen to
Speaker 2: Mina's back. I want to listen to the podcast. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh wait, I was on it. I don't
Speaker 2: need to great, I'll wait till next week with Dominique
Speaker 2: and all the friends. Look, we're going to go through
Speaker 2: this game, and I want to start at the end
Speaker 2: of the game, but we'll we'll talk more big picture
Speaker 2: with these two teams, thinking about next year and thinking
Speaker 2: about the trade that they made, and especially thinking about
Speaker 2: our short king Bryce Young. There at the end of
Speaker 2: the game. I had mixed emotions because yes, I wasn't
Speaker 2: really looking forward to an overtime, but I wanted good
Speaker 2: things for Bryce Young. I wanted a touchdown on that drive,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of typical of the night. It
Speaker 2: was very difficult to get first downs, but they actually
Speaker 2: did get first downs on that drive. They got the
Speaker 2: ball back left with seven minutes and ten seconds left
Speaker 2: on the clock in all three timeouts. They took five
Speaker 2: and a half minutes, used the time out and went
Speaker 2: fifty yards on fifteen plays, three first downs, including a
Speaker 2: handful of fourth down conversions. That was kind of their
Speaker 2: offense tonight. It was very difficult and they end up
Speaker 2: choosing because of a pen you know, because of a
Speaker 2: fourth in ten situation where Bryce Young almost got picked
Speaker 2: off the play before to kick something that seemed out
Speaker 2: of Eddie Piniero's range, and it was out of Eddie
Speaker 2: Pinnio's range. Like, talk me through I guess what you
Speaker 2: saw from Young that drive in particular, and we'll go
Speaker 2: through the whole night. But also that decision to just
Speaker 2: like not even try for the fourth and tent. I
Speaker 2: was thinking, like, this is crazy, this is a total
Speaker 2: lack of faith. Like if he had not thrown an
Speaker 2: intercept or a near interception on that play before, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking they would have just gone for it.
Speaker 5: But I think they got spooked.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I can't defend the fifty nine yard field goal,
Speaker 3: but it is in some ways it is emblematic of
Speaker 3: how difficult it is to talk about the Panthers right now,
Speaker 3: or rather how difficult it is to kind of analyze
Speaker 3: what's wrong with the Panthers, because on one hand.
Speaker 4: I can say, you idiot, why would you ask you
Speaker 4: kick to do that?
Speaker 3: But the other hand, to any of us really believe
Speaker 3: they would have converted that fourth and tent. And then
Speaker 3: on the other hand, is it Bryce Young's fault or
Speaker 3: is it the steel paer's fault, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: is the play caller to blame, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: It's just like everything is so bad and everything is
Speaker 3: kind of feeding off of each other at that point.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were moving the ball on that drive,
Speaker 3: largely because the Bears for some reason were seating the
Speaker 3: only part of the field that they were able to throw,
Speaker 3: which was like the shallow middle, so you know they're
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 4: Bryce was able to make.
Speaker 3: A fex I guess stitch together a few completions there,
Speaker 3: but for the most part, it was a pretty miserable
Speaker 3: viewing experience. I will say I thought the Pama's offensive
Speaker 3: line looked better at times than they have through most
Speaker 3: of the season. But again, the Bear's pass rush is
Speaker 3: not exactly great.
Speaker 2: Shakes right, but they even then, the Bears still sacked
Speaker 2: him three times. Counting it up here, Sweat and Jones
Speaker 2: had three QB hits each. I think they had nine
Speaker 2: as a team. So some of that was on Bryce Young,
Speaker 2: maybe a lot of it was on Bryce Young, Some
Speaker 2: of it was on the offensive line. The drive before
Speaker 2: they actually kicked a field goal on fourth and five
Speaker 2: at the twenty, and I thought, just like you're going
Speaker 2: to need a touchdown at some point two and they
Speaker 2: didn't go for it. And one of the reasons they
Speaker 2: did have that drive that they got to the Pinero
Speaker 2: fifty nine yard attempt is they actually were using all
Speaker 2: four downs, and I didn't I didn't blame them that
Speaker 2: they're not going forward on fourth down the day because
Speaker 2: there was nothing about this offense that gives you any confidence,
Speaker 2: no running game before that last drive. Their success rate
Speaker 2: was lower than any team. Robert Mays tweeted this out
Speaker 2: in any game this year other than the really, I
Speaker 2: think the Dorian Thompson Robinson game.
Speaker 3: The miserable offensive like the New York football teams had
Speaker 3: neither of them.
Speaker 2: There was there was one other game. I'll find it
Speaker 2: while we're talking. But like when you when you see
Speaker 2: Bryce Young right now, what do you see? Because I
Speaker 2: actually think he was progressing steadily each and every week
Speaker 2: people that didn't watch, like that Dolphins game for instance,
Speaker 2: I thought he played well in the Dolphin game, and
Speaker 2: there were probably four or five throws and a lot
Speaker 2: of these games that were like ooh, that was those
Speaker 2: were Bryce Young throws. But the last two weeks, for
Speaker 2: the most part, have been pretty rough, including tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why this defense is worse than like the Texans defense,
Speaker 3: which I thought he looked better? Again, well are they Yeah?
Speaker 4: They are?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable saying that, especially with some of the reason. Okay,
Speaker 3: So on one hand, he is right now a quarterback
Speaker 3: where the TV broadcast which we just watched, makes him
Speaker 3: look worse than he is because no one is open
Speaker 3: in this offense much of the time. So when you
Speaker 3: watching a TV broadcast and he's holding on to any
Speaker 3: taking sacks, he's throwing it away, it looks awful. Then
Speaker 3: later when you watch the tape, doesn't exonerate bise Young,
Speaker 3: but it gives him a lot.
Speaker 4: Of excuses, and I suspect that'll be the case.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, like some of the misses, it's
Speaker 3: odd for me because to my eye, a lot of
Speaker 3: it looks like if he's under any sort of pressure
Speaker 3: and he can't really like step into it, part because
Speaker 3: of his stature, he seems to be sailing throws or
Speaker 3: missing downfield. But on the other hand, it's really confusing
Speaker 3: because like he routinely made those types of throws in college,
Speaker 3: and I understand that the speed of play is different.
Speaker 3: The defenders are different or whatever, but just the sort
Speaker 3: of mechanics of it. You know, he would make impressive
Speaker 3: throws with touch under pressure all the time. So I
Speaker 3: guess it's it's it's hard to watch. It doesn't feel good.
Speaker 3: I suspect that if he was in a good situation,
Speaker 3: he would look decent based on the flashes we've seen.
Speaker 3: But for the number one overall pick that you just traded,
Speaker 3: you know, a valuable draft capital to the team that
Speaker 3: just beat you. You you don't want a quarterback who
Speaker 3: needs everything to be perfect around him, or even really
Speaker 3: good around him. And I think that is why is
Speaker 3: a Pantas fan. You probably feel pretty nervous at the moment.
Speaker 2: Right Someone asked me, They're like, do if you think
Speaker 2: you know Young and Stroud were you know, switched spaces,
Speaker 2: would would their results be similar? And I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I think you Stroud would make more of Carolina, but
Speaker 2: Bryce Young would look a lot better if he was
Speaker 2: in Houston. I don't think you would look necessarily as
Speaker 2: good as C. J. Stroud and wouldn't make the second
Speaker 2: reaction plays in there.
Speaker 5: There probably would be more problems, but he would look better.
Speaker 2: The height seems like a thing like on the pick
Speaker 2: six the second one last week to Kenny Moore, it
Speaker 2: felt like he was trying to get it over the
Speaker 2: first defender and he had to put more speed on
Speaker 2: it than he could. Or tonight there was an early
Speaker 2: third down where Montes Sweat kind of had a late
Speaker 2: pressure flashed in his face and then he sailed the ball.
Speaker 2: And I hate that because I don't want the height
Speaker 2: to be a thing as a diminutive man myself. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm loving Tank Dell's breakout season.
Speaker 4: Say it's the year of the Little Receiver.
Speaker 2: Yes, actually I did a whole thing on the NFL
Speaker 2: Plus this week. You know, you guys should check it out.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's still a free preview.
Speaker 5: On NFL Plus, but it does. It feels like a factory.
Speaker 2: Then again, I think of other number one picks who
Speaker 2: have had absolutely disastrous seasons. Al Michael said something Tonight's like,
Speaker 2: in the day we live in, people want to make,
Speaker 2: you know, quick judgments. And that's true, and we're, you know,
Speaker 2: two of the people doing it on some level. But
Speaker 2: at least in the last twenty years, people are always
Speaker 2: making quick judgments. People made absolutely quick judgments on Eli Manning,
Speaker 2: who had one of the worst rookie seasons I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: and it was getting flayed in New York. Alex Smith
Speaker 2: was worse, I would say, maybe the worst number one
Speaker 2: overall pick rookie season. Jared Goff was in that ballpark.
Speaker 2: JaMarcus Russell was in that ballpark too, and never bounce back.
Speaker 2: But those are, you know, three quarterbacks that went on
Speaker 2: to have good careers. Certainly, so I don't think anyone
Speaker 2: is saying like it means your career is not going
Speaker 2: to work, but it does mean like this group in
Speaker 2: Carolina is being questioned fairly. I think Baldy sent out
Speaker 2: a tweet tonight too, just like, can anyone explain what
Speaker 2: Carolina's offense is to me? And I'm like, man, if
Speaker 2: you've lost Brian Baldinger, I think that that's a problem.
Speaker 2: Like there was a second and sixteen play everyone where
Speaker 2: he's on his own goal line and everyone's just running curls.
Speaker 2: And it does seem like they don't really have a
Speaker 2: lot of answers because they don't have great players, and
Speaker 2: I don't think they don't really have a scheme to
Speaker 2: overcome it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to figure out kind of like
Speaker 3: what's what's the goal here? Like or like you know,
Speaker 3: because you know, it was frank Reich, and then he
Speaker 3: passed off play calling to Thomas Brown, who comes from
Speaker 3: the RAMS, and it doesn't it doesn't look very right
Speaker 3: like either, I get. I mean, it certainly doesn't look
Speaker 3: like the RAMS, but they don't have the personnel to
Speaker 3: do a lot of that stuff. And you know, again
Speaker 3: that's what the play calling it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't really know, like, yeah.
Speaker 4: We can.
Speaker 3: I mean there's decisions in terms of like balance and
Speaker 3: when you call and that kind of thing, but as
Speaker 3: far as like the actual play calling goes watching this group,
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I heard that and I agree
Speaker 3: and it looks really bad, but I also don't know
Speaker 3: what would work with the personnel that they have. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's it it. Yeah, it's pretty befuddling. Do you think
Speaker 3: Frank Reich passed off play calling very publicly once publicly,
Speaker 3: once he realized that nothing was going to make it
Speaker 3: look good and I'm saying it out loud, it's than I.
Speaker 5: Mean, a man of integrity, uh you know what?
Speaker 2: He he said it earlier publicly actually that he was
Speaker 2: planning to pass it off all along, and his players
Speaker 2: said that too. It actually was something he talked about
Speaker 2: I think as early as training camp that at some point.
Speaker 2: So I don't think it was some plan, but you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean, they they kind of mixed up who they're
Speaker 2: playing a little bit. They like, you know, have a
Speaker 2: different running back rotation, and there's a couple of things
Speaker 2: he did do.
Speaker 5: More play action tonight.
Speaker 2: I don't know when when Adam Thielen is your one
Speaker 2: and Mingo's just maybe not ready for that sort of role.
Speaker 2: They're trying to like those guys should be threes and
Speaker 2: fours and they're trying to make it ones and twos
Speaker 2: like Terrass Marshall. They were supposedly gonna cut, but he's
Speaker 2: out there like getting the third most amount of snaps.
Speaker 2: They tried to trade him before the deadline, So it's tough.
Speaker 2: It's a little sad. I'm not totally giving up. Sometimes
Speaker 2: rookie seasons are are really ugly for a while, and
Speaker 2: then you can have like a good final three or
Speaker 2: four games and start feeling better about it. Gino had
Speaker 2: a nice run at the end of one of those
Speaker 2: seasons with the Jets, back in the day, so it
Speaker 2: can't happen looking at like the trade though, Now, what
Speaker 2: were your thoughts on the trade that you know at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: I didn't hate it for Carol. I definitely.
Speaker 4: First of all.
Speaker 3: One of the things I really got wrong this offseason
Speaker 3: was I get I don't know why. I thought Carolina's
Speaker 3: skill group would be fine. I thought the offensive line
Speaker 3: would be good because they were improving as the season
Speaker 3: went on last year, and by the end of the
Speaker 3: year at Kwanu, who's really taken a step back? Although
Speaker 3: I don't think it was that terrible tonight, to be honest,
Speaker 3: but at the end of the year, they seemed like
Speaker 3: they were headed in the right direction. The run game
Speaker 3: looks so good. You remember with Foreman form a revenge
Speaker 3: game last season, So I thought like, yeah, this isn't
Speaker 3: the greatest group of.
Speaker 4: Skilled players, but.
Speaker 3: Shark's healthy, and Hurst looks like he did in Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: it's probably good enough.
Speaker 4: That was clearly incorrect.
Speaker 3: I mean not that you know, there's been injuries and
Speaker 3: all that, but it's it's just been so ugly. So anyways,
Speaker 3: the time, my thinking with the trade was like, you know,
Speaker 3: you're if there's a guy I love a team doing
Speaker 3: what it takes to go up and get him. I
Speaker 3: think though, I underestimated how bad the situation and how
Speaker 3: in the process of trading away Dj Moore, not that
Speaker 3: he did that much to night, for example, but how
Speaker 3: much worse the situation was becoming. And maybe in terms
Speaker 3: of like takeaways going forward, as I think about, like,
Speaker 3: you know, teams taking big swings in the draft and
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, this definitely wouldn't determ me if
Speaker 3: you if you have like firm conviction and a quarterback
Speaker 3: to go up and get him, and currently Chicago will
Speaker 3: be in that position, but you probably don't want to
Speaker 3: do something that also immediately sets that quarterback up to fail.
Speaker 3: So maybe that is the takeaway.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think this might speak people from the size for
Speaker 3: a while, though I will say that.
Speaker 2: It could be a setback for the short quarterback movement
Speaker 2: until or in less it improves. Yeah, because Dj Moore
Speaker 2: is worth like a high first round pick. I know
Speaker 2: you have to give him the contract and everything, but
Speaker 2: DJ Moore is like a best case scenario for you know,
Speaker 2: a mid first round pick essentially, and you have him
Speaker 2: locked up so that Chicago has to be really happy
Speaker 2: tonight because they have the Panthers first round pick and
Speaker 2: it's looking like the odds on favorite for the number
Speaker 2: one overall pick. You know, them and the Cardinals are
Speaker 2: going to be in the mix. The Giants are going
Speaker 2: to be in the mix. That the Bears now have
Speaker 2: a third win. The way they're playing, they feel like
Speaker 2: they'll win a few more games. We'll talk about the Bears.
Speaker 2: We'll take a quick break and then we'll come back. Okay,
Speaker 2: we are back, and yeah, we should talk about the Bears.
Speaker 2: Fans are probably listening to this and like, this is
Speaker 2: one of the better nights for Bears fans in a while.
Speaker 2: It's been a tough go for many years. The fact
Speaker 2: that you own Carolina's pick and you beat them to
Speaker 2: bury them even further into your pick. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: about as good a moment as the Bears have had
Speaker 2: in a while.
Speaker 5: And they don't even have to worry.
Speaker 2: About like the whole like is taste in bageing like
Speaker 2: better than justin field, Like I don't know, no one's
Speaker 2: going to be getting into that, So they're sort of
Speaker 2: threading that needle perfectly.
Speaker 3: That's another win. I was thinking that coming out of
Speaker 3: this game where you have I always feel like as
Speaker 3: a fan, you just want clarity and you want your
Speaker 3: organization to have clarity, and you know that. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Bijing thing lasted way long. It even started at
Speaker 3: the beginning of this game, and I was like, come on,
Speaker 3: don't you know with Kerganal But they I feel like
Speaker 3: after two drives, they're like, you know, we're not going
Speaker 3: to pretend like this guy's more the backup, which I appreciated.
Speaker 3: It was like a much smaller version of Russell Wilson
Speaker 3: Seattle Week one last year in terms of the stakes
Speaker 3: for the trade trading team and not not really, but
Speaker 3: like from the perspective of the Bears, you know where
Speaker 3: you feel really good about it the further you get
Speaker 3: away from it. I think just the amount of options
Speaker 3: that they have, feeling like, you know, seeing how bad
Speaker 3: the team you traded with, is the pick becoming increasingly valuable?
Speaker 4: All of it, I feel like you have to feel
Speaker 4: pretty good about. And there's there's also there's.
Speaker 3: Glimpses on their team. I think the defense, You've had
Speaker 3: a few guys step up over the last I know,
Speaker 3: I was kind of making fun of the beginning of
Speaker 3: this but they have they have played better as the
Speaker 3: season has gone along. There have been individual players who
Speaker 3: have emerged as like probably being the.
Speaker 4: Core if you want to call it that.
Speaker 3: Sweat also the trade that actually I think looks pretty
Speaker 3: good early on. So yeah, it feels like a pretty
Speaker 3: good night for Chicago.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they had a couple Dexter made a one
Speaker 2: play who is one of their draft picks tonight On
Speaker 2: the back end, their secondary solid Kyler Gordon's been playing
Speaker 2: pretty well. Sweat, Sweat gives them something. They just they
Speaker 2: have too much cap space. Some teams have too much
Speaker 2: cap space, I think, and it's just harder to find
Speaker 2: good young players to spend it on than it is
Speaker 2: to spend So I think Montes sweat was was totally
Speaker 2: totally fine. Yeah, totally it was. It's very different than
Speaker 2: Chase Claypool. Everyone bringing the Chase Claypool comup. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: he's he's a verifiable, like top twenty five edge, your
Speaker 2: top twenty edge, and like you can be happy with
Speaker 2: him and you have the pick. My only thing is
Speaker 2: like when you're saying they have to be happy like
Speaker 2: Bears fans, Yes, but when I think they I'm not
Speaker 2: totally sure Ryan Poles is going to get a chance
Speaker 2: to make this pick.
Speaker 5: Now, there's been some whispers I've heard about that.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know for sure, because I
Speaker 2: don't know if Matt Eberflus, who's now I think six
Speaker 2: and twenty something. It's like twenty five is going to
Speaker 2: be the coach for sure, and I don't know for
Speaker 2: sure if Ryan Poles is definitely the guy who gets
Speaker 2: to make those picks. And then it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: why did we why did we do that? And and
Speaker 2: as much as they are really happy that they made
Speaker 2: those picks, it's like you still don't have necessarily the
Speaker 2: quarterback that you believe in and that that's the main
Speaker 2: thing is you need to get that guy, and maybe
Speaker 2: that's Drake may or Kle Williams, and they get a
Speaker 2: chance to take them. But you know, they passed. They
Speaker 2: passed on the quarterbacks in this draft. They passed on
Speaker 2: you know homes of course back in the day for Trubisky,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't that far back.
Speaker 5: In the day.
Speaker 2: Like you do you think polls and like what would
Speaker 2: you do do you think Poles deserves enough like to
Speaker 2: stay and what there. Let's say they like finish out
Speaker 2: here five and twelve something like that, like whether it
Speaker 2: makes sense to like keep keep rolling here with Ebraflus
Speaker 2: and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Well, so.
Speaker 3: I don't see the case that Eba Flues has made.
Speaker 3: I mean, the defense has been awful. Like I said,
Speaker 3: they have been playing better, but during his tenure, I
Speaker 3: don't think they've done it, you know, as a defensive coach.
Speaker 3: I don't think they've done enough for him to save
Speaker 3: the job. And yeah, especially like if you're if you
Speaker 3: were to get honestly, even if you keep justin Fields,
Speaker 3: but if you were to get a young quarterback, I
Speaker 3: would not keep the unsuccessful defensive head coach, you bet,
Speaker 3: Like it just doesn't make any sense. In fact, if
Speaker 3: you get a young quarterback, I think it's probably pretty
Speaker 3: a pretty desirable job, one of the two for Ben
Speaker 3: Johnson's or whatever of the world. So I think a
Speaker 3: lot of this in terms of their future, Poll's future.
Speaker 3: What they do obviously is going to ride on and
Speaker 3: maybe it shouldn't, but I just think it will on Fields,
Speaker 3: who's probably gonna return next week because he was questionable
Speaker 3: or whatever to return this week. And you know, when
Speaker 3: you look at their schedule. I have it in front
Speaker 3: of me, like, there's a lot of winnable games on here.
Speaker 5: So they go.
Speaker 3: Detroit, stuff Vikings in primetime Troit again, Cleveland's tough, but
Speaker 3: then you finish with Arizona, Atlanta, Green Bay.
Speaker 4: Those are all.
Speaker 3: Games that they can win, all games where I think
Speaker 3: justin fields, if he finishes the season with a certain
Speaker 3: amount of momentum, it's going to become like a very
Speaker 3: gnarly situation for them, Like you knows.
Speaker 2: A good way though. I mean if look, I think
Speaker 2: if they have a top two pick, if Carolina is
Speaker 2: a top two pick, I don't think it's that gnarly
Speaker 2: almost no matter how well he plays.
Speaker 5: I think they just look at it as.
Speaker 4: Like take take quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Amazing that they can get what they can get for
Speaker 2: justin fields. They can get the quarterback, and you know,
Speaker 2: who knows what else they can get because they'll have
Speaker 2: their pick, and they'll have what they can get for fields,
Speaker 2: and and they have an extra second. It's exciting because
Speaker 2: look that the picks they got last year for in
Speaker 2: this trade, we're we're Darnel Right and Tyreek Stevenson, and
Speaker 2: the picks always look great on paper.
Speaker 5: And darneld right.
Speaker 2: I think is actually played pretty well last couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: just from little I've seen Stevenson's a rookie corner who's struggling,
Speaker 2: but that that happens like but you got to make
Speaker 2: the picks counting, But that that's a lot, and I
Speaker 2: think that's something to sell ownership. Certainly that Poles kind
Speaker 2: of like had set them up well and deserves deserves
Speaker 2: a chance.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I I remember really liking the trade for Chicago at
Speaker 3: the time, even if I thought, oh, even if the
Speaker 3: Bryce Young is really they're giving up a really great quarterback.
Speaker 3: I guess you know, like it could have been c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud And in that respect, you know you would you
Speaker 3: would do it. You like if you if you now
Speaker 3: are embarrass man, get Ryan Poles and you could turn
Speaker 3: back time, you would take c J. Stroud there, right,
Speaker 3: Like that's what you would do. Yeah. But with what
Speaker 3: they knew, and I think.
Speaker 5: With fe what they knew of Fields, Yes.
Speaker 3: What they knew of Fields. The fact that when I
Speaker 3: saw DJ Moore was part of the trade, I really
Speaker 3: liked it for them because of you know, his value
Speaker 3: and the fact that I even though I know I
Speaker 3: said at the beginning, I thought Carolina was a good
Speaker 3: a much better place for a quarterback. I didn't think
Speaker 3: they'd be good, so I liked it from that perspective
Speaker 3: as well. So yeah, I kind of dodged your question
Speaker 3: about Poles the future he refluse to me is like
Speaker 3: a much easier question.
Speaker 5: It's also a little unfair.
Speaker 2: There's like eight games left of this eight games left
Speaker 2: asking you to talk about another person's job.
Speaker 4: It's fair, you.
Speaker 3: Know, he's had, there's things he's done that I think
Speaker 3: that the trade was good. I like you said we
Speaker 3: talked about I thought the sweat trade was fine. Obviously
Speaker 3: the Claypool trade is the famous failure. But the Edmunds
Speaker 3: signing doesn't look very wise. I was befuddled at the time,
Speaker 3: the decision to go from Rokwon to him, you know,
Speaker 3: and then seeing Roquon have the year he's having, two year,
Speaker 3: year and a half he's having that doesn't feel great either.
Speaker 3: So it's a mixed bag, to be honest.
Speaker 5: The eber Flus higher doesn't look great. He's officially six
Speaker 5: and twenty one. That's that's the number.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not ideal.
Speaker 2: Not good, but they have gotten better. You know they
Speaker 2: went into this game. Even though they turned the ball
Speaker 2: over so much on offense, they were above average in
Speaker 2: yards per drive points per drive like they actually have
Speaker 2: moved the ball fairly well despite four games with an
Speaker 2: undrafted rookie backup quarterback who actually looks like a perfectly
Speaker 2: reasonable backup quarterback long forever right, which is a nice
Speaker 2: thing to have though on a rookie contract. That was
Speaker 2: the whole idea of But behind the Rams drafting, you know,
Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett or some moves like that. With these Day
Speaker 2: three picks, you're hoping to hit on a long turn backup.
Speaker 2: So they've got some things. I will let you out
Speaker 2: mean a soon before hitting you fast with some important
Speaker 2: stuff before we go. Do you watch in the Prime vision?
Speaker 2: You know, the next Jen Stat's Prime Vision on Thursday.
Speaker 3: I go back and forth. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
Speaker 2: It's annoying when Chicago because the camera angles so low.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not up high. The New Orleans one's
Speaker 2: too high. The Chicago one's way too low. It's it's
Speaker 2: the same as all the All twenty two tape that
Speaker 2: you get.
Speaker 5: But I wasn't. I was enjoying that. But that You're right.
Speaker 2: I when I'm watching that, there was not a lot
Speaker 2: of plays where I thought like.
Speaker 5: Oh, what is brace a?
Speaker 4: What am I getting out of this?
Speaker 2: Well, not so much that is more like what is
Speaker 2: Bryce Young gonna do? Just like it's it's not too exciting.
Speaker 2: What do you think about a broadcast going for a
Speaker 2: full quarter just having a conversation with Jason Kelcey.
Speaker 5: I thought it was not about the game.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was, like I mean so that it was
Speaker 3: had a preseason feel, right, like this whole game had
Speaker 3: a preseason feel. But like I that was so I
Speaker 3: don't use word disrespectful because it was appropriately respectful of
Speaker 3: football that we were watching.
Speaker 4: But it was like outrageous, Like.
Speaker 3: They didn't even attempt They didn't even ask him about
Speaker 3: like things. They did a toush push at one point
Speaker 3: and was he in the booth?
Speaker 2: No, they just showed that their own toush push, talked
Speaker 2: about it. So he missed the Bears touch push.
Speaker 4: Which he succeeded.
Speaker 3: I feel like toush pushes now are like fourth down
Speaker 3: where everyone just pays attention to when they fail. And
Speaker 3: like most it's a fourth down, but most of the time,
Speaker 3: a lot of the time they work. A lot of
Speaker 3: teams are good at them, but there's this come out.
Speaker 2: There failed on one earlier, but I actually am impressed
Speaker 2: they didn't give up on it, and they earlier in
Speaker 2: the season and they went back to it.
Speaker 3: There's this a narrative out there that the Eagles are
Speaker 3: the only team that are doing them well, but like
Speaker 3: the Bills usually succeed with it. I did enjoy when
Speaker 3: the Panthers converted a fourth and short and al Michael
Speaker 3: was saying Bryce didn't have enough tush to push. It
Speaker 3: was the highlight, personal highlight for me.
Speaker 5: He can still wind back and throw ninety.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, like all of them, Mayre would have
Speaker 2: been totally fine if just Kelsey stayed there, and like
Speaker 2: Kirk was like, I'll see you. I'm gonna go back
Speaker 2: to college just full time. I know you can't talk
Speaker 2: about that. That's what I meant.
Speaker 3: I struggle hurt him up.
Speaker 5: It did.
Speaker 4: Man, he's lovely.
Speaker 3: He did he go on your show during the combine
Speaker 3: the draft at all.
Speaker 2: He's no, I've not I've not met him or anything
Speaker 2: or heard him. But yes, I'm I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not too late. And then finally like
Speaker 2: coming out of half time. I've never seen a coach
Speaker 2: do this, and but like Iberflus would be under so
Speaker 2: much more heat if anyone cared about the Bears, because
Speaker 2: the way he answers questions and press conference is insane.
Speaker 2: There's like a Abbott and Costello routine. I wanted to
Speaker 2: I meant to send it to you about him talking
Speaker 2: about how how Fields was out but that he was
Speaker 2: listed as doubtful and he just he can never answer questions, right.
Speaker 2: He's like Arthur Smith, but it's not a bit I
Speaker 2: don't know, like he just does. He's really bad with
Speaker 2: the media. But I love that he came out of halftime.
Speaker 2: He's a first ever coach on Amazon or on like
Speaker 2: a Prime TAK game that he was trying to sell
Speaker 2: the listeners to stay watching and he said he he
Speaker 2: said he had something up his sleeve for the second half.
Speaker 2: What do you think was up his sleeve? I did
Speaker 2: not see anything that was up his The.
Speaker 3: Push, the Comet Tousch push was the second half.
Speaker 5: I know, but hey, is that it?
Speaker 2: It had to have been something else. I think an
Speaker 2: onside kick or at some sort of trick play.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 3: I was so usually at the halftime with Kaylee Hartung.
Speaker 3: The coaches look so mad, except for Todd Bowles, who
Speaker 3: has that like beatific smile that I love so much,
Speaker 3: like my favorite couples smiling. But he was like having
Speaker 3: a grand I mean, he looked like a coach who, well,
Speaker 3: there are high stakes because uge I discussed his seat
Speaker 3: is probably one of the hottest in the NFL. But
Speaker 3: he looked like he was in zero fear of losing
Speaker 3: that game, and he proved to be correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it felt good. He was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: we're better than this team, Like this is great. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like to go out there and
Speaker 2: feel totally confident that we can win this game, even
Speaker 2: playing things very close to the vent.
Speaker 3: Every time they cut to Frank Reike, I felt so
Speaker 3: bad for him, the look.
Speaker 4: On his face, his.
Speaker 3: I mean, different coaches in different crappy situations and losing
Speaker 3: I have different levels of sympathy for And I don't
Speaker 3: know why I watching him.
Speaker 2: You can steel the pain if you're an mpath and
Speaker 2: you are, I mean, you see it and he doesn't
Speaker 2: hide it. You can feel at all it's coming through
Speaker 2: the screen.
Speaker 3: He looks like like the like a mom and pop
Speaker 3: owner who knows he's about to fire all of his
Speaker 3: employees because of the recession, but he doesn't want to.
Speaker 3: He's like trying to keep a brave face on. It's
Speaker 3: a rough look.
Speaker 2: He looks like a coach that knows that he's coaching
Speaker 2: a team that was put together by a GM who
Speaker 2: was hired halfway through the last regime. Matt Rule like
Speaker 2: fitter throwed up, showed up halfway through and then wasn't
Speaker 2: hired by that GM because the owner made the higher
Speaker 2: and couldn't necessarily pick the quarterback that he just took.
Speaker 5: That's the type of coach that he looked at.
Speaker 3: That's of all the guys we mentioned, Fitter, he rush
Speaker 3: is should be This is a record for saying should
Speaker 3: he should be very hot right now? Although if you
Speaker 3: fired the GM, is that an immediate admission that your
Speaker 3: quarterback was a bad pick? Is that like a psychological
Speaker 3: dagger right well?
Speaker 5: And and you're.
Speaker 2: You know you're calling Adam Schefter reported how you know
Speaker 2: or tweeted out a few weeks before the draft that
Speaker 2: you know Reich was was not necessarily for Bryce Young
Speaker 2: and that David Tepper was and so none of it
Speaker 2: might be the GMS thing. This this has been a
Speaker 2: bad owner her syndrome for like five or six year
Speaker 2: stretch for Carolina. And I don't want to leave Panthers
Speaker 2: fans on a bummer, you know, but.
Speaker 5: That's where we are. It was a Thursday night bummer,
Speaker 5: but a treat to spend it with. You.
Speaker 2: Mean, no one loves ball more than you of anyone
Speaker 2: I know. So if anyone was gonna join me on
Speaker 2: this one, because you would need someone that.
Speaker 5: Really loves ball, it was you. It was a pleasure. Thanks.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you're back.
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Speaker 3: Gate a week featuring Lenny featuring Greg.
Speaker 5: That's true me this week.
Speaker 2: We will be back here on Sunday for a big
Speaker 2: week hen recap. Until then, heed the call.