1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: They're gonna try to stop the run, and they're one 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: of the best in the league and they want to 3 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: establish the run on their side, and we got to 4 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: match that physicality. Trenton gil Fields of the twenty four 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: escapes nice run back, only one man to beat and 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Gil down the sidelines, skirting the sidelines and takes it 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: all the way into there's a flag down. Give it 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: to foreman and he's in the anata. Foreman takes it 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: into the touchdown field goal at check for Eddie Periro 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: and Nero's kick is no good. That's right. 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Eddie Panio comes up short on a fifty nine field go, 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: robbing us of a chance for overtime between Bears Panthers. 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: Bears win sixteen to thirteen. And I gotta admit Mina 14 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: chimes with me on this Thursday night recap that I 15 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: was getting increasingly anxious, Mina, that I asked you to 16 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: join me for this, of all games, and that it 17 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: was potentially going to overtime, Like I was just feeling 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: like internal guilt that I, as a friend, asked you 19 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: to do this and you were nice enough to say yes, 20 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: and that this thing might be going late night. 21 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 3: Oh Michaels was so stoked when he missed, like, no, 22 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: the he's just trying to hide it a little bit, 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: but like the tone of his voice when he made. 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: The call, he was just so delighted. 25 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: We knew we were in for. I knew what I 26 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: was in for. I signed up for this game. 27 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: I chow you. 28 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: We talked about doing last week and I said, no, Greg, 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: let's wait because I have you on my podcast today, 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: the Minachime Show featuring Lenny first episode back in a while. 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: Check it out where you get pods. 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: We previewed a bunch of hopefully better games, and I said, 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 3: let's record that night so that the listeners can I can, 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: you know, advertise your appearance and so I you know 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: nothing to know my impression of this team. I guess 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: at that time, I thought maybe we get justin fields, 37 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 3: which would have been a little more exciting, But you know. 38 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: I was I was committed. 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: I thought, I mean, now you're making me even more 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: anxious that you beat me to plug in your show 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 2: before I did. No, but the football season is much 42 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: better with Mina and one of my favorite podcasts. I 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: almost was thinking like, oh, I want to listen to 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: Mina's back. I want to listen to the podcast. I 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: was like, oh wait, I was on it. I don't 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: need to great, I'll wait till next week with Dominique 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: and all the friends. Look, we're going to go through 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: this game, and I want to start at the end 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: of the game, but we'll we'll talk more big picture 50 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: with these two teams, thinking about next year and thinking 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: about the trade that they made, and especially thinking about 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: our short king Bryce Young. There at the end of 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: the game. I had mixed emotions because yes, I wasn't 54 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: really looking forward to an overtime, but I wanted good 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: things for Bryce Young. I wanted a touchdown on that drive, 56 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: and it was kind of typical of the night. It 57 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: was very difficult to get first downs, but they actually 58 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: did get first downs on that drive. They got the 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: ball back left with seven minutes and ten seconds left 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: on the clock in all three timeouts. They took five 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: and a half minutes, used the time out and went 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: fifty yards on fifteen plays, three first downs, including a 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: handful of fourth down conversions. That was kind of their 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: offense tonight. It was very difficult and they end up 65 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: choosing because of a pen you know, because of a 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: fourth in ten situation where Bryce Young almost got picked 67 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: off the play before to kick something that seemed out 68 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: of Eddie Piniero's range, and it was out of Eddie 69 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: Pinnio's range. Like, talk me through I guess what you 70 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: saw from Young that drive in particular, and we'll go 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: through the whole night. But also that decision to just 72 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: like not even try for the fourth and tent. I 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: was thinking, like, this is crazy, this is a total 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: lack of faith. Like if he had not thrown an 75 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: intercept or a near interception on that play before, I'm 76 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: thinking they would have just gone for it. 77 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 5: But I think they got spooked. 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: I yeah, I can't defend the fifty nine yard field goal, 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: but it is in some ways it is emblematic of 80 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: how difficult it is to talk about the Panthers right now, 81 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: or rather how difficult it is to kind of analyze 82 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: what's wrong with the Panthers, because on one hand. 83 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: I can say, you idiot, why would you ask you 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 4: kick to do that? 85 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: But the other hand, to any of us really believe 86 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: they would have converted that fourth and tent. And then 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: on the other hand, is it Bryce Young's fault or 88 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: is it the steel paer's fault, on the other hand, 89 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: is the play caller to blame, you know what I mean, 90 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: It's just like everything is so bad and everything is 91 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: kind of feeding off of each other at that point. 92 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: I mean, they were moving the ball on that drive, 93 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: largely because the Bears for some reason were seating the 94 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: only part of the field that they were able to throw, 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: which was like the shallow middle, so you know they're 96 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: they were. 97 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 4: Bryce was able to make. 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: A fex I guess stitch together a few completions there, 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: but for the most part, it was a pretty miserable 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: viewing experience. I will say I thought the Pama's offensive 101 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 3: line looked better at times than they have through most 102 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: of the season. But again, the Bear's pass rush is 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: not exactly great. 104 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: Shakes right, but they even then, the Bears still sacked 105 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: him three times. Counting it up here, Sweat and Jones 106 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: had three QB hits each. I think they had nine 107 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: as a team. So some of that was on Bryce Young, 108 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: maybe a lot of it was on Bryce Young, Some 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: of it was on the offensive line. The drive before 110 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: they actually kicked a field goal on fourth and five 111 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: at the twenty, and I thought, just like you're going 112 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: to need a touchdown at some point two and they 113 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: didn't go for it. And one of the reasons they 114 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: did have that drive that they got to the Pinero 115 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: fifty nine yard attempt is they actually were using all 116 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: four downs, and I didn't I didn't blame them that 117 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: they're not going forward on fourth down the day because 118 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: there was nothing about this offense that gives you any confidence, 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: no running game before that last drive. Their success rate 120 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: was lower than any team. Robert Mays tweeted this out 121 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: in any game this year other than the really, I 122 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: think the Dorian Thompson Robinson game. 123 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: The miserable offensive like the New York football teams had 124 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: neither of them. 125 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: There was there was one other game. I'll find it 126 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: while we're talking. But like when you when you see 127 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: Bryce Young right now, what do you see? Because I 128 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: actually think he was progressing steadily each and every week 129 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: people that didn't watch, like that Dolphins game for instance, 130 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: I thought he played well in the Dolphin game, and 131 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: there were probably four or five throws and a lot 132 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: of these games that were like ooh, that was those 133 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: were Bryce Young throws. But the last two weeks, for 134 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: the most part, have been pretty rough, including tonight. 135 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, why this defense is worse than like the Texans defense, 136 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: which I thought he looked better? Again, well are they Yeah? 137 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 4: They are? 138 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 139 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: I feel comfortable saying that, especially with some of the reason. Okay, 140 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: So on one hand, he is right now a quarterback 141 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: where the TV broadcast which we just watched, makes him 142 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: look worse than he is because no one is open 143 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: in this offense much of the time. So when you 144 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: watching a TV broadcast and he's holding on to any 145 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: taking sacks, he's throwing it away, it looks awful. Then 146 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: later when you watch the tape, doesn't exonerate bise Young, 147 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: but it gives him a lot. 148 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: Of excuses, and I suspect that'll be the case. 149 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: On the other hand, like some of the misses, it's 150 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: odd for me because to my eye, a lot of 151 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: it looks like if he's under any sort of pressure 152 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: and he can't really like step into it, part because 153 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: of his stature, he seems to be sailing throws or 154 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: missing downfield. But on the other hand, it's really confusing 155 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: because like he routinely made those types of throws in college, 156 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: and I understand that the speed of play is different. 157 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: The defenders are different or whatever, but just the sort 158 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: of mechanics of it. You know, he would make impressive 159 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: throws with touch under pressure all the time. So I 160 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: guess it's it's it's hard to watch. It doesn't feel good. 161 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: I suspect that if he was in a good situation, 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: he would look decent based on the flashes we've seen. 163 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: But for the number one overall pick that you just traded, 164 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: you know, a valuable draft capital to the team that 165 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: just beat you. You you don't want a quarterback who 166 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: needs everything to be perfect around him, or even really 167 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: good around him. And I think that is why is 168 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: a Pantas fan. You probably feel pretty nervous at the moment. 169 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: Right Someone asked me, They're like, do if you think 170 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: you know Young and Stroud were you know, switched spaces, 171 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: would would their results be similar? And I was like, no, 172 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: I think you Stroud would make more of Carolina, but 173 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: Bryce Young would look a lot better if he was 174 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: in Houston. I don't think you would look necessarily as 175 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: good as C. J. Stroud and wouldn't make the second 176 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: reaction plays in there. 177 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 5: There probably would be more problems, but he would look better. 178 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: The height seems like a thing like on the pick 179 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: six the second one last week to Kenny Moore, it 180 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: felt like he was trying to get it over the 181 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: first defender and he had to put more speed on 182 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: it than he could. Or tonight there was an early 183 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: third down where Montes Sweat kind of had a late 184 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: pressure flashed in his face and then he sailed the ball. 185 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: And I hate that because I don't want the height 186 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: to be a thing as a diminutive man myself. You know, 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm loving Tank Dell's breakout season. 188 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: Say it's the year of the Little Receiver. 189 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: Yes, actually I did a whole thing on the NFL 190 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: Plus this week. You know, you guys should check it out. 191 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: I think I think it's still a free preview. 192 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 5: On NFL Plus, but it does. It feels like a factory. 193 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Then again, I think of other number one picks who 194 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 2: have had absolutely disastrous seasons. Al Michael said something Tonight's like, 195 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: in the day we live in, people want to make, 196 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, quick judgments. And that's true, and we're, you know, 197 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: two of the people doing it on some level. But 198 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: at least in the last twenty years, people are always 199 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: making quick judgments. People made absolutely quick judgments on Eli Manning, 200 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: who had one of the worst rookie seasons I've ever seen, 201 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: and it was getting flayed in New York. Alex Smith 202 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: was worse, I would say, maybe the worst number one 203 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: overall pick rookie season. Jared Goff was in that ballpark. 204 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: JaMarcus Russell was in that ballpark too, and never bounce back. 205 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: But those are, you know, three quarterbacks that went on 206 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: to have good careers. Certainly, so I don't think anyone 207 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: is saying like it means your career is not going 208 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: to work, but it does mean like this group in 209 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: Carolina is being questioned fairly. I think Baldy sent out 210 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: a tweet tonight too, just like, can anyone explain what 211 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: Carolina's offense is to me? And I'm like, man, if 212 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: you've lost Brian Baldinger, I think that that's a problem. 213 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: Like there was a second and sixteen play everyone where 214 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: he's on his own goal line and everyone's just running curls. 215 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 2: And it does seem like they don't really have a 216 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: lot of answers because they don't have great players, and 217 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: I don't think they don't really have a scheme to 218 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: overcome it. 219 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to figure out kind of like 220 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: what's what's the goal here? Like or like you know, 221 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 3: because you know, it was frank Reich, and then he 222 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: passed off play calling to Thomas Brown, who comes from 223 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: the RAMS, and it doesn't it doesn't look very right 224 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: like either, I get. I mean, it certainly doesn't look 225 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: like the RAMS, but they don't have the personnel to 226 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: do a lot of that stuff. And you know, again 227 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: that's what the play calling it's like, well, you know, 228 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: I don't really know, like, yeah. 229 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: We can. 230 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: I mean there's decisions in terms of like balance and 231 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: when you call and that kind of thing, but as 232 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: far as like the actual play calling goes watching this group, 233 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: I don't know what. I heard that and I agree 234 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: and it looks really bad, but I also don't know 235 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: what would work with the personnel that they have. I mean, 236 00:11:53,760 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: that's it it. Yeah, it's pretty befuddling. Do you think 237 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: Frank Reich passed off play calling very publicly once publicly, 238 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: once he realized that nothing was going to make it 239 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: look good and I'm saying it out loud, it's than I. 240 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 5: Mean, a man of integrity, uh you know what? 241 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: He he said it earlier publicly actually that he was 242 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: planning to pass it off all along, and his players 243 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: said that too. It actually was something he talked about 244 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: I think as early as training camp that at some point. 245 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: So I don't think it was some plan, but you're right. 246 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: I mean, they they kind of mixed up who they're 247 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: playing a little bit. They like, you know, have a 248 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: different running back rotation, and there's a couple of things 249 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: he did do. 250 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 5: More play action tonight. 251 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: I don't know when when Adam Thielen is your one 252 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: and Mingo's just maybe not ready for that sort of role. 253 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: They're trying to like those guys should be threes and 254 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: fours and they're trying to make it ones and twos 255 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: like Terrass Marshall. They were supposedly gonna cut, but he's 256 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: out there like getting the third most amount of snaps. 257 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: They tried to trade him before the deadline, So it's tough. 258 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: It's a little sad. I'm not totally giving up. Sometimes 259 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: rookie seasons are are really ugly for a while, and 260 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: then you can have like a good final three or 261 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: four games and start feeling better about it. Gino had 262 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: a nice run at the end of one of those 263 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: seasons with the Jets, back in the day, so it 264 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: can't happen looking at like the trade though, Now, what 265 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: were your thoughts on the trade that you know at 266 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: the time. 267 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: I didn't hate it for Carol. I definitely. 268 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 4: First of all. 269 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 3: One of the things I really got wrong this offseason 270 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: was I get I don't know why. I thought Carolina's 271 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: skill group would be fine. I thought the offensive line 272 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: would be good because they were improving as the season 273 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 3: went on last year, and by the end of the 274 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: year at Kwanu, who's really taken a step back? Although 275 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: I don't think it was that terrible tonight, to be honest, 276 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: but at the end of the year, they seemed like 277 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: they were headed in the right direction. The run game 278 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: looks so good. You remember with Foreman form a revenge 279 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: game last season, So I thought like, yeah, this isn't 280 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: the greatest group of. 281 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: Skilled players, but. 282 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 3: Shark's healthy, and Hurst looks like he did in Cincinnati, 283 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 3: it's probably good enough. 284 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 4: That was clearly incorrect. 285 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: I mean not that you know, there's been injuries and 286 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: all that, but it's it's just been so ugly. So anyways, 287 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: the time, my thinking with the trade was like, you know, 288 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: you're if there's a guy I love a team doing 289 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: what it takes to go up and get him. I 290 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: think though, I underestimated how bad the situation and how 291 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 3: in the process of trading away Dj Moore, not that 292 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: he did that much to night, for example, but how 293 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: much worse the situation was becoming. And maybe in terms 294 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: of like takeaways going forward, as I think about, like, 295 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, teams taking big swings in the draft and 296 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: that kind of thing, this definitely wouldn't determ me if 297 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: you if you have like firm conviction and a quarterback 298 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: to go up and get him, and currently Chicago will 299 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: be in that position, but you probably don't want to 300 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: do something that also immediately sets that quarterback up to fail. 301 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: So maybe that is the takeaway. 302 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. 303 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: I think this might speak people from the size for 304 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: a while, though I will say that. 305 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: It could be a setback for the short quarterback movement 306 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: until or in less it improves. Yeah, because Dj Moore 307 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: is worth like a high first round pick. I know 308 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: you have to give him the contract and everything, but 309 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: DJ Moore is like a best case scenario for you know, 310 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: a mid first round pick essentially, and you have him 311 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: locked up so that Chicago has to be really happy 312 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: tonight because they have the Panthers first round pick and 313 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: it's looking like the odds on favorite for the number 314 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: one overall pick. You know, them and the Cardinals are 315 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: going to be in the mix. The Giants are going 316 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: to be in the mix. That the Bears now have 317 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: a third win. The way they're playing, they feel like 318 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: they'll win a few more games. We'll talk about the Bears. 319 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: We'll take a quick break and then we'll come back. Okay, 320 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: we are back, and yeah, we should talk about the Bears. 321 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: Fans are probably listening to this and like, this is 322 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: one of the better nights for Bears fans in a while. 323 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: It's been a tough go for many years. The fact 324 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: that you own Carolina's pick and you beat them to 325 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: bury them even further into your pick. I mean, it's 326 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: about as good a moment as the Bears have had 327 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: in a while. 328 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 5: And they don't even have to worry. 329 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: About like the whole like is taste in bageing like 330 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: better than justin field, Like I don't know, no one's 331 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: going to be getting into that, So they're sort of 332 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: threading that needle perfectly. 333 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: That's another win. I was thinking that coming out of 334 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: this game where you have I always feel like as 335 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: a fan, you just want clarity and you want your 336 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: organization to have clarity, and you know that. I mean, 337 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: the Bijing thing lasted way long. It even started at 338 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: the beginning of this game, and I was like, come on, 339 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: don't you know with Kerganal But they I feel like 340 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: after two drives, they're like, you know, we're not going 341 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: to pretend like this guy's more the backup, which I appreciated. 342 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: It was like a much smaller version of Russell Wilson 343 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 3: Seattle Week one last year in terms of the stakes 344 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: for the trade trading team and not not really, but 345 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: like from the perspective of the Bears, you know where 346 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: you feel really good about it the further you get 347 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 3: away from it. I think just the amount of options 348 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: that they have, feeling like, you know, seeing how bad 349 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: the team you traded with, is the pick becoming increasingly valuable? 350 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 4: All of it, I feel like you have to feel 351 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 4: pretty good about. And there's there's also there's. 352 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: Glimpses on their team. I think the defense, You've had 353 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: a few guys step up over the last I know, 354 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: I was kind of making fun of the beginning of 355 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 3: this but they have they have played better as the 356 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 3: season has gone along. There have been individual players who 357 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 3: have emerged as like probably being the. 358 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 4: Core if you want to call it that. 359 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: Sweat also the trade that actually I think looks pretty 360 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: good early on. So yeah, it feels like a pretty 361 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: good night for Chicago. 362 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 363 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: I think they had a couple Dexter made a one 364 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: play who is one of their draft picks tonight On 365 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: the back end, their secondary solid Kyler Gordon's been playing 366 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: pretty well. Sweat, Sweat gives them something. They just they 367 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: have too much cap space. Some teams have too much 368 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: cap space, I think, and it's just harder to find 369 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 2: good young players to spend it on than it is 370 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: to spend So I think Montes sweat was was totally 371 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: totally fine. Yeah, totally it was. It's very different than 372 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: Chase Claypool. Everyone bringing the Chase Claypool comup. It's like, no, 373 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: he's he's a verifiable, like top twenty five edge, your 374 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: top twenty edge, and like you can be happy with 375 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: him and you have the pick. My only thing is 376 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 2: like when you're saying they have to be happy like 377 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: Bears fans, Yes, but when I think they I'm not 378 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: totally sure Ryan Poles is going to get a chance 379 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: to make this pick. 380 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 5: Now, there's been some whispers I've heard about that. 381 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know for sure, because I 382 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: don't know if Matt Eberflus, who's now I think six 383 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: and twenty something. It's like twenty five is going to 384 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: be the coach for sure, and I don't know for 385 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: sure if Ryan Poles is definitely the guy who gets 386 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: to make those picks. And then it's kind of like, well, 387 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: why did we why did we do that? And and 388 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: as much as they are really happy that they made 389 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: those picks, it's like you still don't have necessarily the 390 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: quarterback that you believe in and that that's the main 391 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: thing is you need to get that guy, and maybe 392 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: that's Drake may or Kle Williams, and they get a 393 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: chance to take them. But you know, they passed. They 394 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: passed on the quarterbacks in this draft. They passed on 395 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: you know homes of course back in the day for Trubisky, 396 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: but it wasn't that far back. 397 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 5: In the day. 398 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: Like you do you think polls and like what would 399 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: you do do you think Poles deserves enough like to 400 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 2: stay and what there. Let's say they like finish out 401 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: here five and twelve something like that, like whether it 402 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: makes sense to like keep keep rolling here with Ebraflus 403 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: and whatnot. 404 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: Well, so. 405 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: I don't see the case that Eba Flues has made. 406 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: I mean, the defense has been awful. Like I said, 407 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: they have been playing better, but during his tenure, I 408 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: don't think they've done it, you know, as a defensive coach. 409 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: I don't think they've done enough for him to save 410 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 3: the job. And yeah, especially like if you're if you 411 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: were to get honestly, even if you keep justin Fields, 412 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: but if you were to get a young quarterback, I 413 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: would not keep the unsuccessful defensive head coach, you bet, 414 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: Like it just doesn't make any sense. In fact, if 415 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: you get a young quarterback, I think it's probably pretty 416 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 3: a pretty desirable job, one of the two for Ben 417 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: Johnson's or whatever of the world. So I think a 418 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: lot of this in terms of their future, Poll's future. 419 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: What they do obviously is going to ride on and 420 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: maybe it shouldn't, but I just think it will on Fields, 421 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: who's probably gonna return next week because he was questionable 422 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: or whatever to return this week. And you know, when 423 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: you look at their schedule. I have it in front 424 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: of me, like, there's a lot of winnable games on here. 425 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 5: So they go. 426 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: Detroit, stuff Vikings in primetime Troit again, Cleveland's tough, but 427 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: then you finish with Arizona, Atlanta, Green Bay. 428 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 4: Those are all. 429 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: Games that they can win, all games where I think 430 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 3: justin fields, if he finishes the season with a certain 431 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: amount of momentum, it's going to become like a very 432 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 3: gnarly situation for them, Like you knows. 433 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: A good way though. I mean if look, I think 434 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: if they have a top two pick, if Carolina is 435 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: a top two pick, I don't think it's that gnarly 436 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: almost no matter how well he plays. 437 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 5: I think they just look at it as. 438 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 4: Like take take quarterbacks. 439 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: Amazing that they can get what they can get for 440 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: justin fields. They can get the quarterback, and you know, 441 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: who knows what else they can get because they'll have 442 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: their pick, and they'll have what they can get for fields, 443 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 2: and and they have an extra second. It's exciting because 444 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 2: look that the picks they got last year for in 445 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: this trade, we're we're Darnel Right and Tyreek Stevenson, and 446 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: the picks always look great on paper. 447 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 5: And darneld right. 448 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: I think is actually played pretty well last couple of weeks, 449 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: just from little I've seen Stevenson's a rookie corner who's struggling, 450 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 2: but that that happens like but you got to make 451 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 2: the picks counting, But that that's a lot, and I 452 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: think that's something to sell ownership. Certainly that Poles kind 453 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: of like had set them up well and deserves deserves 454 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: a chance. 455 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 5: Yeah. 456 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: I I remember really liking the trade for Chicago at 457 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 3: the time, even if I thought, oh, even if the 458 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: Bryce Young is really they're giving up a really great quarterback. 459 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: I guess you know, like it could have been c J. 460 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: Stroud And in that respect, you know you would you 461 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: would do it. You like if you if you now 462 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: are embarrass man, get Ryan Poles and you could turn 463 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: back time, you would take c J. Stroud there, right, 464 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: Like that's what you would do. Yeah. But with what 465 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 3: they knew, and I think. 466 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 5: With fe what they knew of Fields, Yes. 467 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: What they knew of Fields. The fact that when I 468 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: saw DJ Moore was part of the trade, I really 469 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: liked it for them because of you know, his value 470 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: and the fact that I even though I know I 471 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: said at the beginning, I thought Carolina was a good 472 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: a much better place for a quarterback. I didn't think 473 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 3: they'd be good, so I liked it from that perspective 474 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: as well. So yeah, I kind of dodged your question 475 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: about Poles the future he refluse to me is like 476 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: a much easier question. 477 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 5: It's also a little unfair. 478 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: There's like eight games left of this eight games left 479 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 2: asking you to talk about another person's job. 480 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 4: It's fair, you. 481 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: Know, he's had, there's things he's done that I think 482 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: that the trade was good. I like you said we 483 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 3: talked about I thought the sweat trade was fine. Obviously 484 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: the Claypool trade is the famous failure. But the Edmunds 485 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: signing doesn't look very wise. I was befuddled at the time, 486 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: the decision to go from Rokwon to him, you know, 487 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: and then seeing Roquon have the year he's having, two year, 488 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: year and a half he's having that doesn't feel great either. 489 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 3: So it's a mixed bag, to be honest. 490 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 5: The eber Flus higher doesn't look great. He's officially six 491 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 5: and twenty one. That's that's the number. 492 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not ideal. 493 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: Not good, but they have gotten better. You know they 494 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: went into this game. Even though they turned the ball 495 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: over so much on offense, they were above average in 496 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: yards per drive points per drive like they actually have 497 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: moved the ball fairly well despite four games with an 498 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: undrafted rookie backup quarterback who actually looks like a perfectly 499 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: reasonable backup quarterback long forever right, which is a nice 500 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: thing to have though on a rookie contract. That was 501 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 2: the whole idea of But behind the Rams drafting, you know, 502 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett or some moves like that. With these Day 503 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: three picks, you're hoping to hit on a long turn backup. 504 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 2: So they've got some things. I will let you out 505 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: mean a soon before hitting you fast with some important 506 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: stuff before we go. Do you watch in the Prime vision? 507 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: You know, the next Jen Stat's Prime Vision on Thursday. 508 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: I go back and forth. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. 509 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: It's annoying when Chicago because the camera angles so low. 510 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: It's not it's not up high. The New Orleans one's 511 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: too high. The Chicago one's way too low. It's it's 512 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: the same as all the All twenty two tape that 513 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: you get. 514 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 5: But I wasn't. I was enjoying that. But that You're right. 515 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: I when I'm watching that, there was not a lot 516 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: of plays where I thought like. 517 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 5: Oh, what is brace a? 518 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 4: What am I getting out of this? 519 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: Well, not so much that is more like what is 520 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: Bryce Young gonna do? Just like it's it's not too exciting. 521 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: What do you think about a broadcast going for a 522 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: full quarter just having a conversation with Jason Kelcey. 523 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 5: I thought it was not about the game. 524 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 3: Yes, that was, like I mean so that it was 525 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: had a preseason feel, right, like this whole game had 526 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: a preseason feel. But like I that was so I 527 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 3: don't use word disrespectful because it was appropriately respectful of 528 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: football that we were watching. 529 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 4: But it was like outrageous, Like. 530 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: They didn't even attempt They didn't even ask him about 531 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 3: like things. They did a toush push at one point 532 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: and was he in the booth? 533 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: No, they just showed that their own toush push, talked 534 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: about it. So he missed the Bears touch push. 535 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 4: Which he succeeded. 536 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: I feel like toush pushes now are like fourth down 537 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: where everyone just pays attention to when they fail. And 538 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 3: like most it's a fourth down, but most of the time, 539 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: a lot of the time they work. A lot of 540 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: teams are good at them, but there's this come out. 541 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: There failed on one earlier, but I actually am impressed 542 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: they didn't give up on it, and they earlier in 543 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: the season and they went back to it. 544 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 3: There's this a narrative out there that the Eagles are 545 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 3: the only team that are doing them well, but like 546 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: the Bills usually succeed with it. I did enjoy when 547 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: the Panthers converted a fourth and short and al Michael 548 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 3: was saying Bryce didn't have enough tush to push. It 549 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 3: was the highlight, personal highlight for me. 550 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 5: He can still wind back and throw ninety. 551 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: I was thinking, like all of them, Mayre would have 552 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: been totally fine if just Kelsey stayed there, and like 553 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: Kirk was like, I'll see you. I'm gonna go back 554 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 2: to college just full time. I know you can't talk 555 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: about that. That's what I meant. 556 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 3: I struggle hurt him up. 557 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 5: It did. 558 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: Man, he's lovely. 559 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 3: He did he go on your show during the combine 560 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: the draft at all. 561 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: He's no, I've not I've not met him or anything 562 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: or heard him. But yes, I'm I'm rooting for him. 563 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: It's not it's not too late. And then finally like 564 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: coming out of half time. I've never seen a coach 565 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: do this, and but like Iberflus would be under so 566 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: much more heat if anyone cared about the Bears, because 567 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: the way he answers questions and press conference is insane. 568 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 2: There's like a Abbott and Costello routine. I wanted to 569 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: I meant to send it to you about him talking 570 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: about how how Fields was out but that he was 571 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: listed as doubtful and he just he can never answer questions, right. 572 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: He's like Arthur Smith, but it's not a bit I 573 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: don't know, like he just does. He's really bad with 574 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: the media. But I love that he came out of halftime. 575 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: He's a first ever coach on Amazon or on like 576 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: a Prime TAK game that he was trying to sell 577 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: the listeners to stay watching and he said he he 578 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: said he had something up his sleeve for the second half. 579 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: What do you think was up his sleeve? I did 580 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: not see anything that was up his The. 581 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: Push, the Comet Tousch push was the second half. 582 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 5: I know, but hey, is that it? 583 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: It had to have been something else. I think an 584 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: onside kick or at some sort of trick play. 585 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 5: That's it. 586 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: I was so usually at the halftime with Kaylee Hartung. 587 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 3: The coaches look so mad, except for Todd Bowles, who 588 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 3: has that like beatific smile that I love so much, 589 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: like my favorite couples smiling. But he was like having 590 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: a grand I mean, he looked like a coach who, well, 591 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: there are high stakes because uge I discussed his seat 592 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: is probably one of the hottest in the NFL. But 593 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: he looked like he was in zero fear of losing 594 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: that game, and he proved to be correct. 595 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it felt good. He was like, Wow, 596 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: we're better than this team, Like this is great. I 597 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: don't know what it's like to go out there and 598 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: feel totally confident that we can win this game, even 599 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: playing things very close to the vent. 600 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: Every time they cut to Frank Reike, I felt so 601 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: bad for him, the look. 602 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 4: On his face, his. 603 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: I mean, different coaches in different crappy situations and losing 604 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: I have different levels of sympathy for And I don't 605 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: know why I watching him. 606 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: You can steel the pain if you're an mpath and 607 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: you are, I mean, you see it and he doesn't 608 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: hide it. You can feel at all it's coming through 609 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: the screen. 610 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: He looks like like the like a mom and pop 611 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: owner who knows he's about to fire all of his 612 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: employees because of the recession, but he doesn't want to. 613 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: He's like trying to keep a brave face on. It's 614 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: a rough look. 615 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 2: He looks like a coach that knows that he's coaching 616 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: a team that was put together by a GM who 617 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: was hired halfway through the last regime. Matt Rule like 618 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 2: fitter throwed up, showed up halfway through and then wasn't 619 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: hired by that GM because the owner made the higher 620 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: and couldn't necessarily pick the quarterback that he just took. 621 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 5: That's the type of coach that he looked at. 622 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: That's of all the guys we mentioned, Fitter, he rush 623 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: is should be This is a record for saying should 624 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: he should be very hot right now? Although if you 625 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: fired the GM, is that an immediate admission that your 626 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: quarterback was a bad pick? Is that like a psychological 627 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: dagger right well? 628 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 5: And and you're. 629 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 2: You know you're calling Adam Schefter reported how you know 630 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: or tweeted out a few weeks before the draft that 631 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: you know Reich was was not necessarily for Bryce Young 632 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: and that David Tepper was and so none of it 633 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: might be the GMS thing. This this has been a 634 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: bad owner her syndrome for like five or six year 635 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: stretch for Carolina. And I don't want to leave Panthers 636 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: fans on a bummer, you know, but. 637 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 5: That's where we are. It was a Thursday night bummer, 638 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 5: but a treat to spend it with. You. 639 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: Mean, no one loves ball more than you of anyone 640 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: I know. So if anyone was gonna join me on 641 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: this one, because you would need someone that. 642 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 5: Really loves ball, it was you. It was a pleasure. Thanks. 643 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 5: I'm glad you're back. 644 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 2: Everyone should check out the Menachim Show featuring Lenny. She's 645 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: doing twice a week right out of the. 646 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: Gate a week featuring Lenny featuring Greg. 647 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 5: That's true me this week. 648 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: We will be back here on Sunday for a big 649 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: week hen recap. Until then, heed the call.