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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, it's the Almost Famous podcast, and today we're

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Speaker 2: recapping something that I really wish that we didn't have

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Speaker 2: to the women tell All.

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Speaker 3: This is the stupidest thing I've ever watched?

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Speaker 2: Was it not? The It was the worst. And you

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Speaker 2: guys know we hate tell All's one. I hate recapping

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Speaker 2: to tell All because recapping and recap is kind of difficult.

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Speaker 2: This one's particularly difficult because it was like a housewife

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Speaker 2: tell All. It was just a screen match. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: make out anything. I know that Ben was just telling

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Speaker 2: me that he feels like an alien and on this

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Speaker 2: planet sometimes because he doesn't understand social media and blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. And I felt like an alien or I

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Speaker 2: felt like an old person watching this because I couldn't

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Speaker 2: really follow what they were saying at all. Like the

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Speaker 2: first twenty minutes, I said to Jared, can you explain?

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Speaker 2: Can you interpret what just happened? And then he was like,

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Speaker 2: Marie is a dick And I was like wait what.

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, okay, but can you explain yourself?

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Speaker 2: He's like, she literally wouldn't let anybody else talk and

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Speaker 2: it was just like a screaming match, and I was like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: everybody else is obsessed with Maria, so I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if you're right about this. I'm remaining neutral.

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Speaker 3: Well, I uh, we will get into the details of

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Speaker 3: how we feel about each conversation, because that is what

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Speaker 3: we're here for. I really hated watching this episode, and

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Speaker 3: the reasons are a few things. One, it's so unhealthy.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing healthy about this. There is no I know

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Speaker 3: people will probably point and say yes, but they made

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Speaker 3: up in the end.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't.

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Speaker 3: That was very confusing to me and felt very produced.

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Speaker 2: Ben That was girls just wanting to be like, let's

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Speaker 2: get the applause from the audience. We'll apologize. There's no

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Speaker 2: way we're actually gonna be friends after this. There's no

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Speaker 2: way we're even gonna like smile at each other backstage.

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Speaker 2: That was to appease people and to like make them, like,

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Speaker 2: everybody look decent. In the end, I will, you know,

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Speaker 2: give credit to my friend Sidney, who I do think

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Speaker 2: made a good move when she just said, like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I was annoying. We we didn't see eye

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Speaker 2: to eye, and I wish I did things differently it

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Speaker 2: was a good response. I'm really glad that she said

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Speaker 2: what she said. But overall, like with the hugging and

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Speaker 2: stuff like Maria coming and hugging and the Leah the

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Speaker 2: Leah thing, the Layath thing was weird because they're screaming

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Speaker 2: at each other, and this is where I think you're

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Speaker 2: saying that you're confused screaming at each other. Then they

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Speaker 2: go to break, then Leah is crying, and then before

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Speaker 2: you know it, Maria's coming over and hugging her and

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Speaker 2: they're like, I love you. And it's like very weird,

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Speaker 2: and it's like you're a great woman, like Leah says,

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Speaker 2: like you're a wonderful woman. And I'm like, oh, what

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Speaker 3: Here's my kind of like overall quote for the evening

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Speaker 3: of a bunch of wrongs don't make a right, and

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Speaker 3: it felt like it was wrong, wrong, wrong, yell, yell,

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Speaker 3: yell at each other. Okay, I'm not saying anybody was

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Speaker 3: better than anybody else here. I do think we got

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Speaker 3: some insight into some of the things that were said

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Speaker 3: during the season about Maria. We did now get kind

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Speaker 3: of a group consensus that said, no, she didn't actually

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Speaker 3: say those things. Like I said those things.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's yeah, Lauren was like I was the one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So like there was a consensus there. So it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: why were you hating on Maria so bad? What it

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Speaker 3: ended up being was you just didn't like her, and

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Speaker 3: that's not a good reason to be so mean to somebody.

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Speaker 3: But everybody was just yelling at each other. You had

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Speaker 3: a couple people in the back row that were there

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Speaker 3: so you could barely hear what anybody else was saying.

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Speaker 3: They were making sure their voice was heard, which is

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Speaker 3: then they're good, and it's like, what happened in between here?

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Speaker 3: Because you just made somebody cry, You just made Maria

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Speaker 3: walk through a season of being called a bully. Sidney,

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Speaker 3: your whole experience on this show was awful Like that,

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Speaker 3: there was no way you're happy you went on this

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Speaker 3: just from the moment it started to the moment you left,

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Speaker 3: it was a wreck. It was hard, it was grueling,

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Speaker 3: you know, so like what happened in between to then

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Speaker 3: for me, I barely saw an apology from anybody. I

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Speaker 3: you did say this or I heard it this way,

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Speaker 3: but I'm sorry, and it's like, no, that's not how

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Speaker 3: an apology works. That's not how a genuine like reconciliation

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Speaker 3: of relationship works. You don't just make somebody cry. You

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Speaker 3: don't make somebody suffer through a whole season of being

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Speaker 3: called a bully. You don't walk through this show and

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Speaker 3: that's a very unhealthy way to at all resolve issues,

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Speaker 3: and it felt like that's what happened here.

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Speaker 2: For me. For me, the apologies at this point are

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Speaker 2: really again for the audience, because like, you're just not

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Speaker 2: going to be friends with the people that you really

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Speaker 2: make enemies with that like that in the house to

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Speaker 2: that extent, well, we did, okay, so let's start or

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Speaker 2: you really have a fresh start, and that's called paradise,

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Speaker 2: and like for some reason we can kind of put

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Speaker 3: It's always a beautiful moment when the past goes awakes.

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Speaker 3: At all it tip, I mean ninety percent of time

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Speaker 3: it does. Because there was a quote this episode that said,

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Speaker 3: I never really got to know you. On this season

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Speaker 3: they're talking about Maria, and I think that's very true.

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Speaker 3: They never took the time to really get to know her.

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Speaker 3: They just didn't like her because, as Medina said, it

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Speaker 3: Let's start at the beginning, because I do have some

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Speaker 3: feelings about what Jared said about Maria. Won't let anybody

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Speaker 3: talk about Sydney's apology about Lea, about Medina. Also Jess,

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Speaker 3: who is such a big storyline this season for so long,

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Speaker 3: and I felt like we got a little insight into

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Speaker 3: where she's at. Overall, though we say it every year,

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Speaker 3: I feel more strongly about it this season because it

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Speaker 3: it did have its controversies, it did have some character

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Speaker 3: slamming throughout. However, overall it was a great sea. It's

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Speaker 3: been a great season of the Bachelor, and a lot

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Speaker 3: of healthy things have came from it. I think this

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Speaker 3: it's unnecessary. It's a filler episode by all means. I

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Speaker 2: I was very happy that it was basically half tell all,

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Speaker 2: and then we got Rachel's dumping and then their moment,

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Speaker 2: so we really didn't have to go through is like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's start at the beginning. We do have

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Speaker 3: the ladies there. There isn't any massive stars from this

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Speaker 3: get kudos to. Really all of the women who are

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Speaker 3: tell all. You don't really have to, it's not like

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Speaker 3: forced upon. You can say no, but it's a big

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Speaker 3: deal that they did. We do have, obviously, the big

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Speaker 3: storyline we just talked about, so let's dive in here

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Speaker 3: to really the biggest part of the whole thing, which

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Speaker 3: is the Maria Lea Sydney Jess drama. Medina kind of

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Speaker 3: like the fans got what they wanted because they do

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Speaker 3: love Maria. I understand why she is relatable in a

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Speaker 3: lot of ways. I mean, I think you could pick

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Speaker 3: at this and say, yeah, she didn't really let anybody talk.

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Speaker 3: I mean she even admitted when somebody said, hey, you

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Speaker 3: just always interrupted me, and she interrupted the person. She's like, see,

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Speaker 3: let you say things that are not true. Following that

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Speaker 3: that say, yes, Maria did not say the things that

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Speaker 3: you said. She said I said those things, or a

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Speaker 3: Duena said, I never witnessed any of the things that

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Speaker 3: you're saying Maria said about you. Madina stands up for Maria.

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Speaker 3: So is it right for Maria to interrupt? I don't know. Uh,

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Speaker 3: Stop saying I said that stuff. I do think that's fair,

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Speaker 3: like Maria did exactly what they were saying. She does. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it did. However, I don't think it was wrong. I

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Speaker 3: I think the only time for me Ashlely, it felt

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Speaker 3: That was my point earlier. I think she really was

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Speaker 3: nervous to be there. I think she really isn't the

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Speaker 3: don't exactly think she was trying to make anything worse

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Speaker 3: for Maria. But Jess was like really hurt. You could tell,

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Speaker 3: I think in her tone and just how she stood

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't like you, Maria. You were driving me

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Speaker 3: crazy every other time Maria interrupted. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: Bit, Jared said. Jared wasn't even there for the Jess

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Speaker 2: moment because the Jess moment is when I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: now the interrupting is becoming obnoxious. He was just talking

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Speaker 2: about before, like all the talking over before. But I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. It's just interesting because like everybody else is

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Speaker 2: obsessed with Maria. So I don't know, if you're looking

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Speaker 2: at it through different lens, I really try to look

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Speaker 2: at like a little bit more neutrally.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's a fire character, Ashley, I know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: she's not going to be everybody's cup of tea. However,

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Speaker 3: I do think what people love about her, she says

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Speaker 3: she's charismatic. She obviously is a lot more comfortable in

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Speaker 3: these environments than ninety percent of the other women.

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Speaker 2: Oh like, and it translates, and that's what makes her

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Speaker 2: It does lead to the same conclusion, which is you

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so the fans see this whole thing playing

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Speaker 3: It plays out completely differently if Leah the whole season

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Speaker 3: If they can forgive each other, we can too. We

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Speaker 2: they had fun with it. Okay, I think that for

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00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: you and I, I do you not like I like

433
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: I throw myself. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it. I

434
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: think if you've been part of it, you're like, no,

435
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 2: thank you. But if you're watching it and the drama

436
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: really doesn't mean much to you, it's just something that

437
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: you watch on TV, I think it could be fun.

438
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well we do see this no card situation.

439
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: Uh what a weird scenario, Like from all sides, this

440
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 3: note card comes in. It's what we have a cliffhanger

441
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: on the last episode. We get to read the note card.

442
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: It says we need to talk again. That's never a

443
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 3: good sign.

444
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: Except for I told you last week. I go, what

445
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: if they what if she writes this and it's really nothing.

446
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: I'm I and she says I miss you, and like,

447
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: I really hope it's me. Like I told you that

448
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: this was a possibility.

449
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 3: You did it was.

450
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: This is such a moment of play. We're going to

451
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: call it. It was a moment of play. Yeah, because she

452
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: was missing him. This is my theory. She was miss

453
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: She probably wanted to write him a letter, slip a

454
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: really nice romantic something under his door. And then a

455
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: producer is like, why don't you just like write him

456
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: a note that says like, let's talk, knowing it would

457
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: freak Joey the hell out, And it was exactly It

458
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: played out perfectly for them.

459
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: It felt so weird. Yeah, to me, it did the

460
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: whole thing, even her sitting down weird.

461
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's oh my god, I'm so sorry. I felt.

462
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: I feel so bad that you interpreted it like that, Kelsey.

463
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: You had knew totally.

464
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: You had to have known, and if you did it, like, hey,

465
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: it's time to step up a little bit here because

466
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 3: the show is only going to get harder these next

467
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: two weeks, and they're going to try every way possible

468
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: to get intside Joey's head because he's now the only

469
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: one they can really get inside the head of, like

470
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: in a healthy way, because he's the only one that's

471
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: not gonna leave, and so like protect him a little bit,

472
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 3: like be one step ahead of the producers here. And

473
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: and she obviously was not in this situation. It was

474
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 3: very weird it did throw him off, I don't I

475
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: never was worried about her going home because I don't

476
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 3: think it threw him off enough for that. But I

477
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: do think he had his heart was racing, his mind

478
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: was wandering.

479
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: His relief when he found out it was nothing. Yeah,

480
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: like I've never seen relief like that on the show before.

481
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 3: Well, I think it definitely points to who he wants

482
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: to be with in the end.

483
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, oh yeah, I mean I.

484
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: Think it's pretty clear at this point. If it's not Kelsey.

485
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 3: I think it's shocking.

486
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: And I think that's why they're messing with us for

487
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: to next week's episode. They're making it seem like he's

488
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: gonna get his heart broken significant, like he's going to

489
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: be ruined to the point that he can't even watch

490
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: the preview for the next season. Sitting up there in

491
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: front of an audience, He's going to be so ruined,

492
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: And they make it obvious, like that's like, it's too

493
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 2: obvious for the audience right now that he's picking Kelsey

494
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: that they have to throw us off in some lie.

495
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: Question for you, Ashley, as a fan, does it really

496
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: matter if it's obvious for you?

497
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: No? I like, whatever, I don't care at this point.

498
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: I just want to have like that whimsical feeling in

499
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: my chest when they get engaged.

500
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care if I know who he's gonna

501
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: be with. I mean, that's the whole point of the

502
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: show for them to find love. If he found love,

503
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: you know, weeks ago. It's cool to see this thing

504
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: play out the way it does. I get to see

505
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: their love story play on television. That's what we watch

506
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 3: the show for. I think. So I don't care. I

507
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: don't need them to play with me. I don't need

508
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: it to be a question in my mind. Some seasons,

509
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: I do believe it's naturally a very like confusing time

510
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: for the lead, and they don't know who they're gonna

511
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: choose necessarily at the end, even at you know, hometown

512
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: week and Fantasy suitet week. For this season, it's like, cool,

513
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: we know he knows that's his journey. The one person

514
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: he does not obviously continue on with is Rachel. We

515
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: do have Rachel, you know, in studio, she's sitting down

516
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: with Jesse watching her breakup live. It was obviously emotional,

517
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: it was real, it was not it felt like the

518
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: whole time, this whole show was in support of Joey.

519
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he's been great to these women and

520
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: they've been great to him. I don't know, though, if

521
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: I would say she was shocked. I think she was

522
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: obviously in love with Joey. I think she knew that

523
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: Joey would they could douce, you know, great things together.

524
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, even watching the episode and seeing kind

525
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: of her words, I don't know if she was ever

526
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: shocked that it was her to go home.

527
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she was either, And I know

528
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: that we all weren't. I basically, in my head had

529
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: already eliminated her last week or before, which I feel

530
00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: bad saying, but we all kind of knew. What was

531
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: really sad about this tell all moment was just how

532
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: she got through the reception that she got after Hometowns

533
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: and after she got eliminated and all the awful comments.

534
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: And I again, like, I do think that a lot

535
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: of the awful comments were coming from just people really

536
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 2: wanting Maria to be in her spot, because why else

537
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: would people be like saying mean things to her? Because

538
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: remember how she also kind of like told Maria off, Well,

539
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: she did not actually she'd tell her off. She said

540
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: why would you do that at the Rose ceremony.

541
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: I think the fans of Maria are the people that

542
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: were giving her criticism. If I was to speak to

543
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: Rachel Wromana, it would not be Hey, Rachel, it was

544
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: because of you personally. It's because you were playing into

545
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: a narrative that they were hoping was done so the

546
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: Maria getting unnecessary and unwarranted hate from these other women

547
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: with something that the fans of the show this season

548
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: were very sensitive too, because they felt like Maria was

549
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: getting unwarranted and you know, hate from at least three women,

550
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: and so when Rachel said this, I think they were saying,

551
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: one more is playing into this, and this is unnecessary.

552
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: You know. I think if we maybe hindsight a little

553
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: bit here, what Rachel said to Maria came in a

554
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: place of high stress, and it also almost to me.

555
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: I think you could say was like a very friendly question.

556
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: Like Ashley, if you and I were standing up at

557
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: a Rose ceremony and you did that, I would feel

558
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: totally fine being like Ashley, what are you doing? Stop? Like,

559
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: because we're close enough for me to be like, hey,

560
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: check yourself, fashly like, ye, don't do this crazy stuff. One,

561
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: it's annoying to me. Two I'm standing up here an

562
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: hour longer than I wanted to. And three, I'm like,

563
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: already so nervous that I'm going home tonight and you're

564
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: just delaying it. So stop doing whatever it is you're doing.

565
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: I could say that to you because we were close

566
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: enough for me to say it. I wonder, and we

567
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: never really saw their relationship, you know, in detail throughout

568
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: the season. I wonder if maybe it came from a

569
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: place of comfort for Rachel to be like, hey, Maria,

570
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: I like, like, we're friends, stop doing this.

571
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think they were there. I

572
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: don't think it was a comfort thing.

573
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: You think she was just more upset. Well, that's why

574
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: I think she got the criticism she did, is because

575
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: Maria fans are very sensitive to Maria being criticized and

576
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: hated on anymore, and so Rachel kind of took that bull.

577
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's a hit on Rachel. I

578
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: don't think people are like, I don't like Rachel.

579
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, there's plenty of comments. There's

580
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 2: so many comments. I remember, like girls telling me how

581
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: much hate there she was getting. But also I but

582
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 2: you know, there was I don't want to disregard all

583
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: the comments that she said were racism based. So that's

584
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: absolutely tragic and.

585
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: Discuss I guess I haven't seen any of those, but

586
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: that's like, it's just weird. I mean, my explanation here

587
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: is all out of like I'm confused on how that

588
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: could come out towards Rachel because of this one situation.

589
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense to me, Like she's been

590
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: amazing to me.

591
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just did nothing wrong the entire season. Well,

592
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: I'll stand on he's always likable. Well, you know what

593
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: I mean, she's always likable.

594
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: She's always likable. I'll stand on that. I'll say she

595
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: was likable. Any criticism she's getting is he is so

596
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: confusing to me. I can understand a little bit of

597
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, the three women that really made Maria's road hard.

598
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: I can see where maybe they get the jabs and

599
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: all that, and people would be upset with them. The

600
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: Rachel things like so far gone from me. I don't

601
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: get it. And now I hope after I tell all

602
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: of them can move on without the criticism and people

603
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: can start the love on them, like if you don't

604
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: like them, don't follow them. It's pretty easy. I also

605
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: blame the robots. I think there's a lot of really

606
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: mean robots out there that are just like made to

607
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: make people feel worse about themselves. That's what I tell myself.

608
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the robots aren't that creative, but they're

609
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: dang they're staying in.

610
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: Don't ruin it. Don't ruin that for me.

611
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go into predictions. Well, I guess there's

612
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: no predication. Okay, yes, predictions. This is how will wrap

613
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: up this episode. What do you think is happening at

614
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: the altar now that we're down to this actual moment?

615
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing. I think Daisy. I believe that Daisy knows

616
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: who it is in the end based on her context clues.

617
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: And she and Joey have this beautiful moment where she's like,

618
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: I love you. In any other world we could be together,

619
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: and Joey says, I agree, I love you too, or

620
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm falling in love with you. I don't know if

621
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: he actually says I love you. I don't know if

622
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: he's that dumb to do what I did. I think

623
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: he's smarter than me. And then they leave, and I

624
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: think it's really sad, and then Kelsey comes up and

625
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: it's happily ever after. That's my thought. However, this teaser

626
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: makes it feel so different, so now I'm questioning it.

627
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that they've made in the

628
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: teaser where it looks like he's walking away getting into

629
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: the car alone. That could be totally there's me going

630
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: from the hotel to the altar alone.

631
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: You know, there's zero chance in my mind for anybody listening,

632
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: there's zero chance in my mind that Joey has walked

633
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: away from the show alone. There's no way, no how

634
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: would not make sense. And if he did, this would

635
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: be like three episodes left because there's gonna be a

636
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 3: lot of things that have to happen in order for

637
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: that to occur. There's no way he walks away from

638
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: the show alone. I do believe it's going to be

639
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 3: a very emotional final couple episodisodes, final episode, final episode.

640
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, well, I guess we do have a

641
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: tell all or it's like.

642
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: A three hour episode.

643
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: Goodness, gracious, I don't know.

644
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: This is I can deal with a three hour for this.

645
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: This is gonna be good.

646
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be good. But that's my theory is

647
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: this is being played up to be something it's not.

648
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: My also point to this is, no matter what now

649
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: happens in the end, unless somehow he does end up alone.

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Speaker 3: This has happened before. Like, there's no scenario that can

651
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: play out here that like would be revolutionary. We've seen

652
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: this stuff before, right, We've seen somebody leave in the

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Speaker 3: last week.

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Speaker 2: No, the what would be revolutionary I think would be

655
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Speaker 2: if both girls dumbed him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I said, unless he ends up alone, which.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's left alone knows Brad. Brad left alone because he

658
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: decided to choose no one, Yeah, which is honestly the

659
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: craziest I've ever heard in my life. He couldn't even

660
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: pull a loom poblo and was like, I'd like to

661
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: date h so good, But he didn't even want to

662
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: date anyone.

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Speaker 3: Anybody's like, I don't like any of you. I went

664
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: to this whole thing and I did it, and this

665
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: sucked the whole time because I wasn't any of you.

666
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Speaker 3: But that's my point. Unless he does end up alone,

667
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: there's nothing that could play out here that would be revolutionary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't think he's going to end up alone.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to end up with Kelsey. I

670
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: don't know whether or not it's going to be one

671
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: of those things that we have to see him like

672
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: do off camera, though, because that's what it's alluding to to,

673
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: being like one of those situations where like the last

674
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: hour is like how they got how they made things

675
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: work in the real world. I don't know if that's

676
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: like my official theory, but like that's if I had

677
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: to like put together the pieces from what they're giving us,

678
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: it seems like he's going to walk away from the

679
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Speaker 2: altar like going after somebody in real life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's always sweet shows he cares. I don't know, Okay,

681
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: final thoughts. Could go without the screaming, could go without

682
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: their argument, go without the fighting. I do believe we

683
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: got some clarity on some situations that existed this season,

684
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: but I also believe that it was a confusing path

685
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: to getting there because half the time I couldn't understand

686
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: anybody and what they were saying. Next episode, we are

687
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: excited for. We will be here breaking it down. Then

688
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Speaker 3: we'll start bringing on some of the guests from this season,

689
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: which is super exciting for us because it was a

690
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: very popular season. Kudos to Joey because I do think

691
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: something that showed up here was when he was in

692
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: front of the women. The women are very supportive of him.

693
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Speaker 3: They really liked him. They all had very good things

694
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: to say about him. That's not easy to do and

695
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: something we have not seen in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they really wished him well and they were like,

697
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Speaker 2: do you have a cousin? Do you have like a

698
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: secret long lost brother?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really sweet, and I do believe we have

700
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: not seen that kind of dynamic amongst the lead since

701
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: you Ben, since me, which was so long ago. No,

702
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Speaker 3: I mean I think he he did some things that

703
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: were really incredible. He was really attuned. A lot of

704
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: the women said he made them feel heard. I think

705
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: all those things are great, and so we wish him

706
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: the best. We wish these ladies the best. We wish

707
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: that they have a lot of fun with this next

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Speaker 3: chapter of their experience in the show. And we'll be

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Speaker 3: excited for next week. So until next week, I've Been Ben.

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