Speaker 1: It's only Deva compared to me and my Bosey friends.
Speaker 2: Welcome to episode eighty six of Midnight Chats with Me
Speaker 2: Stuart Stubbs, and this episode marks the first in series
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Speaker 2: hear Kevin Parker aka a Tame in Parlor in conversation,
Speaker 2: so let's just do that. This is an episode that
Speaker 2: I recorded at the end of twenty nineteen in November time,
Speaker 2: so quite a while ago. We're now in March twenty
Speaker 2: twenty and the album that we were speaking about then
Speaker 2: is now out. It's called The Slow Rush. You may
Speaker 2: well have heard it already if you haven't, it is
Speaker 2: on all streaming services, it is in all good record stores,
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Speaker 2: with tame In parlor. So we're sat in a very
Speaker 2: nice hotel in London. But it's currently November and your
Speaker 2: album is out in the middle of feb next year,
Speaker 2: so a little way off yet. What stage will be
Speaker 2: in at the moment in the cycle? What's going on
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: Well, I've finished it and now I'm doing press for it. Sure,
Speaker 1: Now I wait anxiously for it to come out. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't do the test pressing on vinyl. Okay, Night
Speaker 1: before Last?
Speaker 2: Does it sound Okay?
Speaker 1: It sounds fun. Yeah, it was nerve wragging because you
Speaker 1: don't always know how things are going to go getting
Speaker 1: printed to vinyl. Sure, but it actually, I hate to say,
Speaker 1: I think it sounds better. Well, it might just be
Speaker 1: that I'm hearing it in a more romantic and softened way,
Speaker 1: not just that like the brutally honest digital version that
Speaker 1: I've been working on. Sure, So like going to viol
Speaker 1: it's obviously going to like soft it. Yeah, yeah, any
Speaker 1: kind of like hard extremely hard travel edges are going
Speaker 1: to be kind of removed. I guess. Actually, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't know enough about vinyl.
Speaker 2: So you've done that and now you're doing things like
Speaker 2: this and interviews and stuff. Have you done your press
Speaker 2: shots for the campaign?
Speaker 1: Done some of them? Okay? I did some of them.
Speaker 1: That when I went to shoot the album cover and.
Speaker 2: A great album cover p thank you the sand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that is that shot? That's a that's not I
Speaker 2: thought that. I just presumed that would be just a
Speaker 2: digitally render.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's an editor. It's a digitally
Speaker 1: touched up photo, real place. Okay, but in that real
Speaker 1: place that like every like everything that's in the photo
Speaker 1: is real, so.
Speaker 2: It is full of that's real. That that was sad that.
Speaker 1: It's an abandoned mining diamond mine town in Namibia.
Speaker 2: Wow, whose idea was that image?
Speaker 1: Mine?
Speaker 2: Nice?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And where did that?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Where did that come from? Because I know it fits,
Speaker 2: it fits in with the themes of the record, which
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you about. But where did that
Speaker 2: image come from? Because it's I just presumed it would
Speaker 2: be either completely digitally made like not real, yeah, or
Speaker 2: maybe like a model, like a little model that you've
Speaker 2: made to make you're now thinking ship I could have
Speaker 2: done that would have been easier.
Speaker 1: Well, that that was actually put to me. It was
Speaker 1: suggested to me not to go to Namibia and to
Speaker 1: just sort of like make one in the Californian desert, right,
Speaker 1: But I was I guess I was stubborn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to.
Speaker 1: Be there in the way I can off be. But
Speaker 1: I was like, no, let's just go there. Let's go there.
Speaker 1: And in fact, as soon as I uttered it to
Speaker 1: Neil Krug, he was like, yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do it. Let's go there. Sure you know.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, I'll put a link below this podcast to
Speaker 2: the to the artwork itself. People will have seen it
Speaker 2: by the time this comes out, but to anyone listening
Speaker 2: that hasn't, it's it's it's to describe it. It's like
Speaker 2: a room with sand filling filling it up through a doorway,
Speaker 2: right from what I remember window for a window. So
Speaker 2: to to look at that and sit and hear that
Speaker 2: you did it, it is impressed. I'm impressed. So you
Speaker 2: did some folks, So you did some folk You did
Speaker 2: some press shots around that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just there's just beautiful landscape around there. Yeah, otherworldly, okay,
Speaker 1: And so we just spent a couple of das in
Speaker 1: press shots as well.
Speaker 2: Well, you know how are you generally with that kind
Speaker 2: of with the photo side of things.
Speaker 1: I'm getting better, Yeah, if for no other reason that
Speaker 1: I'm feeling more okay with being a diva now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just totally at peace with making all
Speaker 1: kinds of demands.
Speaker 2: What kind of demands do you tend to make on
Speaker 2: a given she I.
Speaker 1: Like to have a full length mirror facing me at
Speaker 1: your times?
Speaker 2: Do you for real that one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Cool?
Speaker 2: Well, let's say, like, what if I was shooting you
Speaker 2: from here, there needs to be a mirror here to
Speaker 2: my side. Uh well, yeah, in your like, but by
Speaker 2: the camera so you can see how it's looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's basically just like adjust my hair.
Speaker 2: There was an interview on here last night with Elton John,
Speaker 2: this kind of life spanning interview Wow, And I watched it.
Speaker 2: He came across brilliantly. Actually, I've always had a strange
Speaker 2: relationship with Elton John in the sense that I love
Speaker 2: the music, but I've always thought he's just too much
Speaker 2: of a diva, right because he's kind of the king
Speaker 2: of that, you know, the I mean back in the day,
Speaker 2: some of his demands were just absolutely wild. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't you know you hear those I don't think
Speaker 2: you hear those stories anymore, do you Like? It was
Speaker 2: a bit of a do you do of people kind
Speaker 2: of saying, if I'm going to play this show, I
Speaker 2: insist on there being a room painted this certain shade of.
Speaker 1: Or I won't go on. Our funny one was not
Speaker 1: that it was ours, but Australian band demanded a bottle
Speaker 1: of MOEI right, and the quote was no m which
Speaker 1: is kind of amazing. Yeah. Well, you know, the whole
Speaker 1: thing about diva requests, like it's it's always tacked on
Speaker 1: the end of any discussion about diva requests, you know,
Speaker 1: like Mara Carey and Green Eminems or whatever, is that
Speaker 1: it's not about having that actual thing, it's making sure
Speaker 1: it's it's having that as a as a test to
Speaker 1: see that they're up to the test, up to the
Speaker 1: task of catering for you. You know. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: that it's not that Mariah Carey actually wants a bowl
Speaker 1: of Eminem's or the green ones taken out. She's doing
Speaker 1: it so that she knows that's the level they're going
Speaker 1: for going to to take care of her. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And the same thing with guns and roses and their
Speaker 1: red cutlery or whatever, you know, Like that's that's apparently
Speaker 1: what it's all about. I don't know that for sure,
Speaker 1: but that's.
Speaker 2: The show that they care as much as they should care, exactly, right.
Speaker 2: They just want people to show that they care, exactly
Speaker 2: But your diva demands on your shoots. They said that
Speaker 2: the mirror sat That just sounds quite practical.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's it's it's only diva compared to
Speaker 1: me and my bose friends. It's only diva compared to them.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually falls way short of like the
Speaker 1: universal definition of diva just for me, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, especially with a you know, chilled out dude reputation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I probably might not be expecting that one shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do your bozo friends think you're cool? Do
Speaker 2: they wind you off about this kind of stuff? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: they say you're such a deva. Absolutely you've changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I and I accept that with pride.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm like in my group of friends, I'm
Speaker 1: the diva. Yeah, pop princess. Good. That's good.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good place.
Speaker 1: To be within your Yeah group, comfortable, why not.
Speaker 2: So this so yeah, so this, I mean, this period
Speaker 2: leading up to with the album so kind of so
Speaker 2: far in advance. Is this the worst time when putting
Speaker 2: out a record or is this that because the record's done?
Speaker 2: How long? How long ago was it made?
Speaker 1: I finished it. I finished it on November the twenty seconds.
Speaker 2: Okay, so not too long ago. That's not so bad.
Speaker 2: It's not even been sitting on it for half a
Speaker 2: year and.
Speaker 1: We're still no. No, I wish it. I wish it
Speaker 1: had been half a year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is it feel it feels like you've kind of just
Speaker 2: hit the ground running and you're straight into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way. I mean, it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: always funny that I would start doing press straight after
Speaker 1: I finished the album, which is kind of the worst
Speaker 1: time for me to be speaking positively about this body
Speaker 1: of music that I've just completed. And like I used
Speaker 1: to not hold back, and I think when Lonarism came out,
Speaker 1: I was just a rag. I was saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: because I didn't really fully understand the whole purpose of press, right,
Speaker 1: Like I'll just be like, man, this alm sucks. That's
Speaker 1: just literally the time I'm supposed to be like bicking
Speaker 1: it up to be able to listen to it. I'm
Speaker 1: going like, it's it's pretty much unlistenable, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I remember reading a headline of the article that I
Speaker 1: did or whatever, and it was like, Kevin Parker thinks
Speaker 1: his album is unlistenable.
Speaker 2: So so now as you say, now, you know that's
Speaker 2: that's not really the thing to say. But if you
Speaker 2: were that, if you were that old old yeah, not
Speaker 2: non diva Kevin Parker back then, how how would you
Speaker 2: what would you honestly say? How do you feel about
Speaker 2: this record?
Speaker 1: Now? I think it's good.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think it sounds good. At
Speaker 1: the moment, I think I'm worried I've mixed the vocals
Speaker 1: too loud. But I'm only saying that because I've always
Speaker 1: regretted putting the vocals too quiet. Like I asked myself
Speaker 1: when I was finishing on this album, like what have
Speaker 1: I always regretted? You know, because when I'm finishing it out,
Speaker 1: When you're finishing an album, all sorts of paranoid negative
Speaker 1: thoughts are coming in, fighting them off left, right and center,
Speaker 1: you know, so you make and like you're making decisions
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's only me making them, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's finishing the album. Is the time where I wish
Speaker 1: I had a group of people well that I wish
Speaker 1: I had people working on the album as well that
Speaker 1: shared the burden. But at the end of the day
Speaker 1: with me, it's like I'm the only one that I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got I've got Glenn who's works for the album,
Speaker 1: works for the label, and he's like kind of my
Speaker 1: sounding board. But yeah, so anyway, I like this. Someone
Speaker 1: was like, what am I going to regret? What decision
Speaker 1: am I going to a great making? You know? And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's I always bury
Speaker 1: the vocals because I'm self conscious about like what I'm
Speaker 1: saying or the sound of my voice because I hate
Speaker 1: the sound of my voice. But listening back to you know,
Speaker 1: currents and stuff, I'm like, man, I chickened out right
Speaker 1: at the end, Like I would have been working on
Speaker 1: the the song the year, two years or whatever. The
Speaker 1: vocals like nice and beaming, you know, right at the end,
Speaker 1: I'll get self conscious and turn them down and then
Speaker 1: mix it and send it to the master, and then
Speaker 1: years later I'm like, fuck, what did I do that?
Speaker 1: You know I should have just like been proud of
Speaker 1: and so this time, against every inch of my being
Speaker 1: to turn them down. I was like, no, Kevin, turn
Speaker 1: them up, turn them up. Put them where other songs
Speaker 1: you like vocal level is you know? Yeah? And so
Speaker 1: I did that and now I'm listening to it, like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I just have to endure I have to endure that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just need to get used to it, I
Speaker 2: guess because it feels so alien to you because those
Speaker 2: other records have been mixed. I mean, I've heard the
Speaker 2: I had the record on yesterday and it didn't strike
Speaker 2: me that they were like I wasn't thinking that was like,
Speaker 2: I wasn't like whoa. They said they didn't even feel
Speaker 2: that much higher than good old records. So I think,
Speaker 2: if you're fine, you're fine helping me.
Speaker 1: There's flowering my heart right right now.
Speaker 2: Jason Pierce have spiritualized. He when he's finished his record,
Speaker 2: before he signs off on it, I heard this story.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true, but I heard
Speaker 2: that he takes his he burns it to a CD.
Speaker 2: He rents the shittiest car he can rent, like the
Speaker 2: basic car YEP, and he drives around with it on
Speaker 2: the car stereo, and that's what he judges as his
Speaker 2: Does this sound as it should sound because most people
Speaker 2: will be listening to it in this sort of context.
Speaker 2: Do you do anything like you have any any ritual
Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 1: Or the car stereo trick is a fight? Is a
Speaker 1: well known one, right, one that you've done? Treat with
Speaker 1: equal reverence? Yeah, okay importance? Absolutely have you.
Speaker 2: Done that with this record?
Speaker 1: On the way to the master the way to mastering,
Speaker 1: I was in Glenn's car and he was like, do
Speaker 1: you want to check the mixers on the stereo? I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, let's do that. We
Speaker 1: put it on. I turned it off after abound two seconds.
Speaker 1: I didn't let it play for two seconds. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know sounds ship really, which was just a
Speaker 1: sign that I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, but or
Speaker 1: you know what, I haven't been having to Perth in
Speaker 1: a while, so I haven't I I haven't really had
Speaker 1: I've literally just been at my house in La right
Speaker 1: for like a year. Well no since I got off
Speaker 1: to or last but I will do the casttereotrick test
Speaker 1: I go home. Yeah, okay, cool? You don't have to.
Speaker 1: I do have tokay, something I need to do. Okay,
Speaker 1: but other than that, you know, the laptop speakers check
Speaker 1: to the mobile phone speaker check, do that thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost didn't believe it yesterday when I realized
Speaker 2: the current is five years old or will, like like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it will be by the time this record comes.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah it will, or just shy of five years
Speaker 1: just like four and a half. I was very want
Speaker 1: to be clear, it's not five years. It's important that
Speaker 1: it's not as many as fine buying something for nine nine,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't feel like that. That's what surprised
Speaker 2: me was I was like, that album didn't come out
Speaker 2: that and go surely. Was it just with this record
Speaker 2: that it just felt like you needed that much time
Speaker 2: to make it? Or was it stubborn in some way?
Speaker 1: A lot of stubborn. Okay, it feels like it felt
Speaker 1: like I needed that amount of time to want to
Speaker 1: do another one, right, just because of the emotional burden,
Speaker 1: you know, of diving into it and being in it
Speaker 1: for that long. It's just you know, it's a marathon
Speaker 1: of work and commitment and you know, sacrifice. I guess
Speaker 1: because once I minut I don't really have a life
Speaker 1: until it's finished, you know, Like I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: be working on a Tament Parlor album and having a life.
Speaker 1: I mean I got married doing that and stuff like
Speaker 1: that huge for me. But yeah, like I I'd never
Speaker 1: really want to go out and like party or something
Speaker 1: anything like that if I'm working on it just doesn't
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel right, you know. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: just and also like I just didn't want to do
Speaker 1: anything that wasn't the best I could do. And I
Speaker 1: just felt like if I'd try to make an album
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, it just wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been the best, Like I know that
Speaker 1: in my heart, yeah, you know, And there's just so
Speaker 1: much other stuff I wanted to do that kind of
Speaker 1: excited me more. That sort of that I felt more
Speaker 1: immediately inspired to do, like even just like DJing, you know,
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be a DJ more than I
Speaker 1: wanted to make another table Part that album.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Well that kind of makes sense listening to
Speaker 2: the record, because there are some proper dance beats on there, right,
Speaker 2: which I love th they sound great and it feels
Speaker 2: like you're most kind of dance orientated thing. Probably, I mean,
Speaker 2: you would you have any interest in making like a
Speaker 2: just a straight up dance record, because it's not quite
Speaker 2: it's not like that's not what this is, but it's
Speaker 2: clearly like something that you could. It feels like that's
Speaker 2: a record you could make if you wanted to make that.
Speaker 1: If I could, Yeah, I don't know that I could do.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, I think you could.
Speaker 1: I mean i'd like to. I'm terrified of trying and failing, Okay,
Speaker 1: as is everyone. Yeah, but I guess that's the reason
Speaker 1: why I should just do it, right. I also, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just also because I love the kind of music
Speaker 1: and the kind of sounds that I love, you know,
Speaker 1: psycher Arc we are all that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: guess I feel like even if I try to make
Speaker 1: it straight up dance record, it would probably come out
Speaker 1: sounding like this album and anyway, like some of the
Speaker 1: stuff on this album, just because I like that kind
Speaker 1: of grimy, distorted, crumbly sound, you know, like just feeling
Speaker 1: it with sound and mess anyway. Yeah, but yeah, hope,
Speaker 1: I'd love to the olast thing. I want to do everything,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: The records called The Slow Rush, and the themes on
Speaker 2: it kind of a link to the The artwork makes
Speaker 2: sense with the themes of it, like passing of time
Speaker 2: is a big kind of reference point to it, right, Sure,
Speaker 2: is that what keeps you awake at night? The kind
Speaker 2: of running out of this sense of running out of
Speaker 2: time that is a very human thing. I think that
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the running out of time, it's just
Speaker 1: the feeling that time is racing, you know, like there
Speaker 1: are certain points you laugh when you feel like that,
Speaker 1: when you feel like you know, I mean, there's you know,
Speaker 1: all kinds of cliches for time is slipping through your
Speaker 1: fingers or you know, it's i mean, something that I've
Speaker 1: always felt deeply about but never really known how to
Speaker 1: put into music. I've probably sung about it in the past,
Speaker 1: but I've never really kind of it's never dominated my
Speaker 1: kind of the artistic output as much as it has
Speaker 1: at the moment on this album. Sure like dominated kind
Speaker 1: of what I feel passionate enough to make music about.
Speaker 2: A friend who works with me on the magazine. He said,
Speaker 2: I said, wished, I asked Kevin, He said, ask him
Speaker 2: if he thinks he could ever make albums at the
Speaker 2: rate that King Gizzard make records? Dum, could you just
Speaker 2: bash them out if you wanted to?
Speaker 1: I remember there are seven people in King Gizzard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also seven or there's yeah seven. I
Speaker 2: think they might be might be more well either way,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of them, You're right. And also
Speaker 2: they are working at like they are a complete a
Speaker 2: normally right absolutely like no no one else is doing.
Speaker 2: They are like the only band doing absolutely sing six
Speaker 2: albums a year or something stupid like that. But for
Speaker 2: you just generally, do you feel like you're like the
Speaker 2: way you make a record, is it kind of the
Speaker 2: quality over the quantity film was very much like a
Speaker 2: Tami in Parlor trait. Is that fair?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? But like I I mean I envy those
Speaker 1: guys so much being able to pump it out the
Speaker 1: way they do, because that's the other thing, like just
Speaker 1: because you spend a lot of time on something doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's better than something that was spent two seconds on. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know. My My example of that is like Paranoid
Speaker 1: by Black Sabbath. Yeah, like that was a song they
Speaker 1: just made in like five minutes to fill the extra
Speaker 1: space on that album, like they've finished all the songs.
Speaker 1: The album is going to be called war Pigs, I think,
Speaker 1: and they were, Oh, we need to we need to
Speaker 1: like feel like three minutes, let's just make fucking whatever,
Speaker 1: Let's make some bullshit, and they did it and it
Speaker 1: was like perfect. Their their biggest song. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's to me, that's profound because it just means
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not about laboring over it and thinking
Speaker 1: about it and then overthinking it and then you know.
Speaker 2: Have any of your tracks come together like that like Lightning?
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean so many of them. It's just that
Speaker 1: I take so much time after that to decide that
Speaker 1: they're good enough, you know, Like, yeah, sot heaps of
Speaker 1: my songs were mostly done in about twenty four hours, right,
Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily all the lyrics, but heaps of songs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To answer your question, yes, I do think I could.
Speaker 1: I mean I could, I could pump out an album
Speaker 1: in a month. Yeah. I can't guarantee you to be good,
Speaker 1: but I could do it. But you could do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The I mean, one of the things that you've been
Speaker 2: doing since Currents came out is like working with other
Speaker 2: people and writing with other people and collaborating on other
Speaker 2: people's projects and stuff. How's that been? Because that's like,
Speaker 2: I mean some of the people include like Kenye West
Speaker 2: and Rihanna and Lady Gaga, Mark Ronson just some stuff
Speaker 2: on the special records and stuff. Does that like because
Speaker 2: it is just you generally, you know, like when Tam
Speaker 2: and Parlor, you know, you're doing as you said, like everything.
Speaker 2: What's that like to suddenly go into rooms with other
Speaker 2: people and massive stuff, you know, massive kind of people
Speaker 2: and suddenly be working with someone and on on their thing,
Speaker 2: like and.
Speaker 1: Well, it's obviously like a polar opposite for me in
Speaker 1: terms of but that's kind of why I'm so intrigued
Speaker 1: by it. So that's why I'm so allured by it.
Speaker 2: Do you generally enjoy it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I mean, well I always enjoy it because
Speaker 1: it's so it's such an alien thing to me. But
Speaker 1: I want to get good at it, you know. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to learn how to be creative
Speaker 1: in the way that I like to be creative with
Speaker 1: working with people, you know. But yeah, I mean I've
Speaker 1: learned so much from from doing it, and because everyone
Speaker 1: I've worked with, I've had so much respectful. I have
Speaker 1: so much respectful but yeah, yeah, sometimes I'm kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? This is like I usually feel
Speaker 1: pretty useless, right, you know. It's funny how like when
Speaker 1: I'm on my own, this is kind of I guess
Speaker 1: it's kind of it says a lot about me. But
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm on my own making music, I
Speaker 1: feel on top of the world. You know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm making the best shit that's ever been made.
Speaker 1: And then when I'm kind of with other people, especially
Speaker 1: people that are people like worship, you know, I'm just oh,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to do something that I think is
Speaker 1: worthy of contributing to this project. You know, when I'm
Speaker 1: with other people and just like what am I doing,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm nothing, you know. So I really hope
Speaker 1: and wish that I can find a way to bridge
Speaker 1: the gap. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have there been at any moments working on anything where
Speaker 2: you've just felt insanely overwhelmed just by the situation that
Speaker 2: you're in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally just where you've.
Speaker 2: Just been like, how's this happened? This is a mistake.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I think like the first session I
Speaker 1: did with Travis Scott was pretty intense. I mean it
Speaker 1: was like super chill but really intense at the same time,
Speaker 1: just because of I guess the environment he likes to
Speaker 1: the vibe likes to create when making music. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like deafly loud, right, blunts being smoke constantly. These
Speaker 1: people in the room, everyone just sort of like vibe
Speaker 1: on the music, getting into it. People are contributing, and
Speaker 1: I was kind of just like, wow, this is like
Speaker 1: this is crazy in a good way.
Speaker 2: It's mad because every time like an extra person must
Speaker 2: come into the room in that situation, it's like one
Speaker 2: more people then you're used.
Speaker 1: To working with, like it's just you.
Speaker 2: So like as soon as it's a room, as soon
Speaker 2: as there's one other person there, it's like double the
Speaker 2: amount of people and it just escalates and escalates, escalator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's funny. When I first first it does doing
Speaker 1: like like sessions hip hop sessions. That was kind of
Speaker 1: one of my the first ones I did. Music was
Speaker 1: like insanely loud that they listened back to it like
Speaker 1: he was playing me some stuff. Is When I came in,
Speaker 1: he turned it up to like full volume, and I
Speaker 1: was like, why is he playing it to me so loud,
Speaker 1: you know, you can barely hear what's going on, Like
Speaker 1: it's so it was like searingly loud, Like it's like
Speaker 1: it was like it was so loud that the high
Speaker 1: hats had bass in them, you know. And I was like,
Speaker 1: how can you make music? Land? And I thought he
Speaker 1: was just turning it up to sort of playing it
Speaker 1: to me at the start, and then like we like
Speaker 1: we kept that volume up for the entire night, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is crazy. How does it
Speaker 1: want to have here? And then a few hours in
Speaker 1: I was like, I get it. I get it. It's
Speaker 1: fucking sick. It dropped. I get it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is how you make sick hip hop music.
Speaker 2: Did you have at any point did you there was
Speaker 2: any point where you thought to say to him, can
Speaker 2: you just turn it down?
Speaker 1: It? Yeah? I wanted to while I was enjoying it
Speaker 1: so much. That's true.
Speaker 2: And also I suppose when it's that music, you're like
Speaker 2: a you're you're in on the thing, like because if
Speaker 2: he came to you, yeah, and you were showing him
Speaker 2: some stuff and he was like can you turn it up?
Speaker 2: Like you'd be like, no, I do it, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, I'm kind of ruined for it now. Like now,
Speaker 1: I work on my music twice as loud. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this album was mixed twice at least twice as loud
Speaker 1: as an album of my really like I went and bought.
Speaker 1: I went and ordered like some of the biggest monitors
Speaker 1: I can find. I could order, you know, just because
Speaker 1: just because like I was like, oh, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it. I want this okay. You know, may
Speaker 1: be deaf by the time I'm forty, but but it'll
Speaker 1: be worth it. Yeah you know. Yeah. Now, I literally
Speaker 1: I can't listen back. I can't play people my own
Speaker 1: music unless it's definitely loud. I can't work on it.
Speaker 1: I had a listening session last night with some like
Speaker 1: media people, and I was just like, turn it up down.
Speaker 1: We played it in New York to some like media,
Speaker 1: you know, like all the big, big, big like publications
Speaker 1: and stuff. It was definitely that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they were ever to hear anything it certainly about the lyrics.
Speaker 2: Is that how does can you do that?
Speaker 1: As well?
Speaker 2: Is it across the board hip hop people love it?
Speaker 2: Just bare loud?
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, yes, I mean Travis probably one of the loudest.
Speaker 1: But I think generally in hip hop, like you just
Speaker 1: listen to it loud, that's what you do.
Speaker 2: Cool Generally, when you're in Australia, you're still based in Fremantle. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's the spider situation?
Speaker 1: Like that? Excuse me?
Speaker 2: The spider situation? Spider situation in Fremantle in particular, is it?
Speaker 1: Is it? We live in a harmonious I have to
Speaker 1: ask apicalship.
Speaker 2: But no, I have to ask because when I go
Speaker 2: to I've only ever been to Australia once. I'm really
Speaker 2: a rachnophobic. Oh I see, So I'm like, is that so?
Speaker 2: I'm like, when I meet someone from a different part
Speaker 2: I've not been to, I want to know if it's
Speaker 2: kind of where it is on my radar.
Speaker 1: Now I think about it. You know, we probably do
Speaker 1: get the odd spied up, but no more than you
Speaker 1: would get anywhere. I guess from a non arachnophobe talking
Speaker 1: to an arachnophobe, it's kind of rich for me to say, like,
Speaker 1: what's your big idea? What's your big problem? Probably because
Speaker 1: I understand it's like a thing. So in that regard, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, man, as long as you don't stay in
Speaker 1: like a house where they don't really care about anything.
Speaker 1: Like if you as long as you want to go
Speaker 1: to someone's share house, you won't see any spiders. There
Speaker 1: are no more spiders than anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 1: And you know what else. You know, it's funny like
Speaker 1: I'm like catching ubers and stuff in America and they're
Speaker 1: always like, oh, you know where you're from, Australia. Australia
Speaker 1: or very dangerous. They're like, oh yeah, like I'm you
Speaker 1: afraid of all the like bugs and snakes and animals
Speaker 1: and they can coue stuff. I was like coming from
Speaker 1: someone coming from like a country where people are running
Speaker 1: around with guns shooting each other, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: worried about a snake out in the bush. You know,
Speaker 1: Like people are terrified to come to this country because
Speaker 1: people have guns. You're allowed to have a gun.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Good night,