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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,

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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.

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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full

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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig

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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking

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Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject Bruce Springsteen. We are

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Speaker 1: previewing next week's Frank Sinatra Part two finale. We get

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Speaker 1: into your voicemails, text dms, and as always, a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of rosie. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to feature two whopper episodes on New

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Speaker 1: what happened. Bruce Springsteen is back at the top of

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Speaker 1: and next week we have our brand new Part two

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Speaker 1: episode on Frank Sinatra. After that, of course, we have

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Speaker 1: our episodes on bon Jovi Frankie Valley in the four

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Speaker 1: seasons in Lifetime. No, I'm kidding. Our New Jersey exploration

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Speaker 1: stops next week with Sinatra Part two, no bon Jovi episode,

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Speaker 1: no Frankie Valley episode, and definitely no Lifetime episode, although

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Speaker 1: which is an impossible question to answer. My answer, despite

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Speaker 1: All right? The list of greatest singer songwriter albums of

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Speaker 1: I like it. I spelled g LA. I can't argue

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Speaker 1: Admittedly I don't know this record as well as some

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Speaker 1: Shows you what I know? Uh, glaring omissions from this list,

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Speaker 1: By the way, Billy Joel's The Stranger, Ryan Adams is Heartbreaker,

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Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse is Back to Black. But you tell me

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Speaker 1: And hell, it doesn't even have to be the greatest,

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Speaker 1: Just let me know what singer songwriter album you love them?

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Speaker 1: Come on, let me know what you think. Singer songwriter album?

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Speaker 1: next week's after party. But before that, speaking your great albums,

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Speaker 5: Jake Chris in the SIXTI I am calling response to

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Speaker 1: Chris, thanks for the call, my man. I don't know

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Speaker 1: stay gold yourself, rock a rolla all that jazz. What

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Speaker 2: Thinking four. That's my favorite song about a murder. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Amazing choice, amazing, amazing, amazing choice. I got so into

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Speaker 1: some weird shit, and I found this. I found this.

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Speaker 1: There's all kinds of stuff. Like in Hollywood Land were

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Speaker 1: was even honored, which is nuts. There's all kinds of

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Speaker 1: stuff that has gone on in Lakers history that's really wild,

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Speaker 1: but this one I got admit. I never heard this,

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Speaker 1: and it bears repeating. In nineteen sixty nine, Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Lakers drafted a guy named Ken Spain, unaware that Ken

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Speaker 1: Spain was dead. They drafted a dead guy. He died

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Speaker 1: know and they still drafted him, which is insane, and

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Speaker 1: But it was interesting to me because it just shows

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Speaker 1: far we've come as a culture, as a society, where

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Speaker 1: of course that would never happen now, the way the

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Speaker 1: news travels, the way that we get our information. I

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Speaker 1: a way to point out that the Lakers are not

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Speaker 1: as good as a Boston Celtics. So there you have it,

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Speaker 1: Sports Trener for this week, Thanks for hanging in there

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Speaker 1: with me. We will be back in just a minute.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are back. It's the hollywood Land Minute.

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Speaker 1: This is a part of the show where I talk

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Speaker 1: about our other show, hollywood Land. All right, this week's

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Speaker 1: full episode subject of hollywood Land is on the Wonderland Murders.

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Speaker 1: This story, it's mainly a John Holmes story, but the

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Speaker 1: Wonderland Murders story is a is the real story behind

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Speaker 1: that scene in Boogie Nights with It's a guy's name,

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Speaker 1: Alfred Molina. He's playing that character. He's in the robe

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Speaker 1: and they're trying to rob his house. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. This is the real story, the story

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Speaker 1: behind that story, and it is a fascinating story in

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Speaker 1: my estimation. It's a story that I don't know enough

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Speaker 1: of the ins and outs about even after we've produced

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Speaker 1: this episode, and the story comes up again in the

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Speaker 1: upcoming Disgrace Land episode of Nikki six, which you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear in a couple weeks, are part two to the

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Speaker 1: Motley Crue episode. However, now in the hollywood Land feed,

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Speaker 1: you can check out this Wonderland Murders John Holmes story,

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Speaker 1: and you can also hear Zeth and I in the

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Speaker 1: rap party, getting down with some recommendations, relevant to Wonderland,

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Speaker 1: relevant to Hollywood, relevant to John Holmes, Matt, give them

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Speaker 1: a little clip, show them what they're missing if they're

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Speaker 1: not subscribed to the Hollywood Land podcast. I'm obsessed lately

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Speaker 1: with this song by another Eddie. Eddie and the Hot

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Speaker 1: Rods Do Anything You Want to Do is the name

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Speaker 1: of the song, and it is incredible. It is uplifting.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those songs you put on You're gonna

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Speaker 1: drive faster than you should be driving, You're gonna feel

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Speaker 1: good for the rest of the day. Fantastic tune, great

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Speaker 8: Eddie and the Hot Rods. Are they different from Eddie

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Speaker 8: and the Cruisers.

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Speaker 1: Yes, much different.

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Speaker 8: I remember seeing that record all the time in any

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Speaker 8: record store you go into Eddie and the Cruisers like

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Speaker 8: the was that a soundtrack or something?

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Speaker 1: It was a movie and Eddie and the Cruisers the

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Speaker 8: And then Brown Band.

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Speaker 1: Yeah what a name from Philly, I believe. Can't quote

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Speaker 1: me on that because I actually don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: think it's Philly. They were like a Springsteen. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, yeah, and I had real hits.

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Speaker 1: Hold the Dogs, I was gonna say on the dark side. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they're like.

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Speaker 8: I was like, you get your Bruce Springsteen at home?

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, exactly exactly. But Eddie and the Hot Eddie

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Speaker 1: and the Hot Rods I believe were like a pub

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Speaker 1: rock band in the late seventies and in London. I

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Speaker 1: don't know much about them. I just know they're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, punk punkish, pub rocky type thing. This song

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Speaker 1: is incredible. I don't know how I got onto it,

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Speaker 1: but it's just fucking great. All right. That's Zeth and

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Speaker 1: I from the Rap Party. Guys again, make sure you

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Speaker 1: a member? To become a disgrace Land member, To go

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Speaker 1: the five bucks per month to get ad free listening

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Speaker 1: sand every single month. To get more of this after party.

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Speaker 1: Do I do that. Do I pay that five bucks?

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Speaker 1: You might not think it's worth it. You might think, hey,

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Speaker 1: Listen now, however, you're getting Hollywoodland as well, ad free

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Speaker 1: we are back, and man, we mentioned a lot of

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Speaker 1: musicians in this episode. Who we have episodes on. Jeff Buckley,

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Speaker 1: Van Morrison, who else? Bob Dylan? I guess we've covered

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Speaker 1: a lot of singer songwriters. Nothing on Elliott Smith, nothing

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Speaker 1: on John prineing on Warren Zevon, but perhaps have a

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Speaker 1: good idea for Warren Zevon episode. Anyways, Matt will do

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Speaker 1: a full accounting of who we mentioned, and he'll get

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Speaker 1: the archive episodes for you in the show notes. I'll

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Speaker 1: get that information episode numbers, so you can easily go

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Speaker 1: back and find any of those episodes you might want

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Speaker 1: to listen to in our archive of over two hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty five episodes. All right, it's a lot. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's recap Number one, this week's episode on Bruce Spristeen

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Speaker 1: and the Real Murders behind Nebraska. That's available if you're

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Speaker 1: right now. Check that out. Get in there, Get in

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Speaker 1: there and listen to it. Get back at me, little

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Speaker 1: what you think. Number two, our rewind episode on Fleetwood

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Speaker 1: Mac Parts one and two is coming up next in

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Speaker 1: your feed. Number three next week on Tuesday, Frank Sinatra

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Speaker 1: Part two. You're not gonna want to miss that. Number

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Speaker 1: four over the Hollywood Land Feed, we get our episode

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Speaker 1: on the Wonderland Murders and our latest wrap party bonus episodes.

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Speaker 1: Those are waiting for you right now. Number four. Damn it,

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Speaker 1: I forgot to do the reviews again. Damn it, I

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Speaker 1: gotta do that next week lead a review for disgrace,

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Speaker 1: sam or Hall. Number five. Remember, no one cares what

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Speaker 1: preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than

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Speaker 1: you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right, and

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Speaker 1: honor this week's full episode subject Bruce Springsteen, who released

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Speaker 1: Nebraska on January third, nineteen eighty two. This is what

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Speaker 1: the country was listening to. According to the Billboard Hot

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Speaker 1: one hundred at that time. Number one Physical Olivia Newton

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Speaker 1: John last week one weeks at number one, eight weeks

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Speaker 1: on Chart fifteen, Number two Waiting for a Girl Like You.

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Speaker 1: Chart nine. Number five Young Turks, broad Boss Stewarts last

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Speaker 3: Hard b in the course, quit talking and start mixing.

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