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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, July twenty six, two twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number three. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We're live from Oxnard, California. It is day five training
Speaker 1: Camp twoy twenty one, presented by American Airlines. Got David
Speaker 1: Nick here with me. We got a lot of topics
Speaker 1: we want to hit today. We'll get to a new segment. Actually,
Speaker 1: in the final portion of our show, I call it
Speaker 1: I get around. Well, let's see how much these guys
Speaker 1: get around here in the In the final segment, we
Speaker 1: got some player names. They're gonna throw to them and
Speaker 1: see how much they can tell us about that. Well,
Speaker 1: you do like that? Well, I mean probably one of
Speaker 1: our new players. Maybe never mind, we'll see. We'll see
Speaker 1: what names we gotta throw out for you guys. But
Speaker 1: before we get started, Nick you said before the show
Speaker 1: you had you had a little announcement you wanted to
Speaker 1: miss one. You know, one of our listeners, a long
Speaker 1: time listeners, My dad, Tim Meetman's his birthday. Awesome, happy birthday,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to him, a whole life. It always happens
Speaker 1: when I'm out of camp, so every people, I hope
Speaker 1: he's listening, and uh, happy Bob Lily, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: he's getting up there. That hold on, let me see
Speaker 1: if there's another player nobly Yeah, no, probably, you don't
Speaker 1: have to think too hard about it. Very nice. Well,
Speaker 1: happy birthday, miss you Eatman. Thank you for listening to
Speaker 1: all these years. Doctor sorry doctor, Yeah, for listening for
Speaker 1: all these years. Is because those might be our some
Speaker 1: of our biggest and longest fans, Your dad, your mom,
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Speaker 1: the three of them pretty much. So they never think
Speaker 1: we have a bad show. No, absolutely, I love that
Speaker 1: show today. Yeah absolutely, Yeah. I talk to my parents.
Speaker 1: They don't listen. They're not in now they know you're
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, actually they might not. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't tell them my parents a whole lot that
Speaker 1: might be on you. Ye, you're right, it might be
Speaker 1: on me. All right, So let's jump in. We got
Speaker 1: a lot we want to hit today. Cowboys are now
Speaker 1: three practices in. They got ten more to go while
Speaker 1: they're out here in Oxnard. Let's start the show, as
Speaker 1: I like to do on training camp days, with one
Speaker 1: observation from the previous practices. It can be a player
Speaker 1: that you notice, It can be a moment that you notice.
Speaker 1: It could also be an interview that you were part of.
Speaker 1: But give me one observation. Let's start with you. Dave. Well,
Speaker 1: let's just get it out of the way. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was Dalton Schultz day yesterday. My god, he was
Speaker 1: the start of the show. For sure. He's Dax's security blanket.
Speaker 1: It's worth noting Blake Jarwin's not doing a ton, he's
Speaker 1: still working his way back from ACL He's on a
Speaker 1: rep count, so he wasn't part of the team portion
Speaker 1: of practice. But Dalton Schultz was, and he he caught everything.
Speaker 1: He just well, he actually had a drop. He had
Speaker 1: one drop, but I mean he must have had five big,
Speaker 1: big catches in the in the two minute in the
Speaker 1: third and fourth down work. He also had like a
Speaker 1: like a one hander type of deal in the seven
Speaker 1: on sevens that was really impressive. So just really really
Speaker 1: good day from him and makes you, Yeah, it's encouraging.
Speaker 1: I want to interject with a quick question of both
Speaker 1: you guys, because if memories searched me correctly, I think
Speaker 1: both of you were big believers that Blake Jarwin adds
Speaker 1: something that you don't necessarily get from him. And I
Speaker 1: don't know that I agree with that because I look
Speaker 1: at days like yesterday, and I look at how he
Speaker 1: performed last year. I don't know that he can't do
Speaker 1: a lot of those things as well. Maybe he's not
Speaker 1: as fast or as athletic as Jarwin, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: the guy gets open and he makes catches. Do you
Speaker 1: guys still believe that Darwin is appreciably better in certain
Speaker 1: areas of his game than what you can get from
Speaker 1: Dalton Shawl. Yeah? I think so. And you got to
Speaker 1: remember this is training camp is I mean, practice is
Speaker 1: always this way this something's good, something's bad. So let's
Speaker 1: not let's not forget that the one of the biggest
Speaker 1: concerning parts of this team, which is the defense and
Speaker 1: the secondary. So just because you're lighting up the secondary
Speaker 1: doesn't mean well. But he did it last year in
Speaker 1: season when he had sixty two sixty he did a
Speaker 1: lot of it was was closer to the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and so not as much of the yesterday was
Speaker 1: encouraging to see him down the field. He needs to
Speaker 1: do it more in games. But he told me after practice,
Speaker 1: like I asked about it, of course, like you guys said,
Speaker 1: he was like, well, I dropped the pass. That was
Speaker 1: the focus, which is good. But he was also like,
Speaker 1: we want to make it really hard on Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: to go eleven and twelve personnel because we know he
Speaker 1: said eleven personnel is outstanding. We got one of the
Speaker 1: best eleven personnels. We want to make it tough on him.
Speaker 1: Me and Blake to say we need to call some
Speaker 1: twelve personnels, which is basically saying him on the field
Speaker 1: over than over, gallop over CD, so hard one one
Speaker 1: of them is challenging. Yeah, and they they got to
Speaker 1: be able to run block. If they're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: that's what makes it, that's what makes it intriguing. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't come this far driving the jar
Speaker 1: when bandwagon to hop off because Daltons I didn't expect
Speaker 1: you had a good day. I mean, which I like
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. It's a good day, a wonderful a wonderful year,
Speaker 1: and a good day. Like they got two good tight ends.
Speaker 1: I people pee. I always say that, like people look
Speaker 1: for stress where there shouldn't be any. They're like, what
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? I'm like, you have two good
Speaker 1: tight ends? Who cares? Like? Why? Why is this a problem?
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, Nickel. Was your observation from yesterday, charltz,
Speaker 1: But let me come up with something else. No, the uh,
Speaker 1: good luck figuring out the receiver spot the end of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the games are gonna matter the most.
Speaker 1: It's funny we watch all these practices where we're gonna
Speaker 1: see a lot and we're gonna have our idea, and
Speaker 1: all it takes is like one guy say that. I
Speaker 1: think I say this point every year. But like you know,
Speaker 1: I can't think of one of the receivers that isn't
Speaker 1: making a lot of plays right now, but that guy
Speaker 1: comes out and has four catches. I mean, yeah, so
Speaker 1: the Malik Turner and um Cyrus Mitchell, Well, I don't
Speaker 1: love Noah Yeah, Brandon Smith, the Iowa kid. But what's
Speaker 1: funny is, and I'm not picking on the guy, but
Speaker 1: I would say of the young guys, your Texas guy
Speaker 1: Brennan Eagles has probably I haven't noticed him, and just
Speaker 1: but the no but like the way this goes is
Speaker 1: he's going to be the one that catches four balls
Speaker 1: for four yards. Yeah, when they get to Canton, he's
Speaker 1: going to be the one that has a great night. Right.
Speaker 1: But is this all kind of a moot point? Just
Speaker 1: because I feel very certain in the fact that, barring injury,
Speaker 1: the first five spots are taken. I don't wonder about that.
Speaker 1: I think the first four four. I think because because
Speaker 1: of what Cedric Wilson offers on special teams, I think
Speaker 1: the first four. Do you think Noah Brown is at risk?
Speaker 1: So two million dollars, I like, I've been on the
Speaker 1: Noah Brown train forever. I've I defended him when everybody
Speaker 1: wanted to cut him back when he was just the
Speaker 1: guy that they strangely decided to throw two in the
Speaker 1: red zone during games. So I love having you guys together.
Speaker 1: You barely agree. But to Nick's point, he's on a
Speaker 1: two million dollar contract, and Stephen Jones won't. He loves
Speaker 1: talking about how cash strapped they are and how they
Speaker 1: He basically throughout the spring was like, we would love
Speaker 1: to fire some of these expensive guys. I mean, he
Speaker 1: basically said that. So I think Noel Brown is one
Speaker 1: of the four best receivers on this team. But if
Speaker 1: one of these young guys, if they prove that they
Speaker 1: can do it at a fraction of the cost, that's
Speaker 1: part of team building. One thing I know is I've
Speaker 1: seen Noah Brown catch a significant number of balls out here,
Speaker 1: particularly from four, and that suggests to me that that
Speaker 1: I would I would think that he's gonna have at
Speaker 1: least some say we in who these receivers are that
Speaker 1: are going to be catching piece And that I love.
Speaker 1: That's a team building is so much fun because you like,
Speaker 1: the front office is like, Cyrus Mitchell can do this
Speaker 1: for six hundred thousand dollars, why are we paying Noah
Speaker 1: Brown two million? And then the head coach and the
Speaker 1: quarterback are like, because we have years of rapport with
Speaker 1: this guy and he does this and he does that,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you talking about? And he's not
Speaker 1: a bad player. It's not a situation where he's a
Speaker 1: bad player and Noah is off to an outstanding start.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to dog him at all. It's just
Speaker 1: these are the realities of putting the roster together. You
Speaker 1: think there's a chance they might consider six here, I
Speaker 1: think that's our mail bag today. I give it away. Then,
Speaker 1: well read it on Dallas cout was that come? I
Speaker 1: think six is almost a foregone conclusion in my film,
Speaker 1: especially when you when you factor in, I mean that
Speaker 1: fifth round pick usually has every chance to make the team.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna just give up on a fifth round
Speaker 1: pick unless he's just hero. You didn't even mention him.
Speaker 1: He's been good. It's been pretty good. H and so
Speaker 1: that's something to to watch. And so yeah, he's That's
Speaker 1: why I think six is on the table here. Well,
Speaker 1: you hit the nail and hit earlier when you see
Speaker 1: it that ultimately it's going to come down who plays
Speaker 1: special teams. Well that's how you get that fifth and
Speaker 1: that's fifth and six spots will be all about special teams.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that all pans out once we
Speaker 1: get to the preseason games. Let's move on. Give me
Speaker 1: a status update on Malik Hooker, the free agent that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have been rumored to be very interested in
Speaker 1: signing at some point. So he, as far as I'm aware,
Speaker 1: he's quarantined, like he's still testing. He's not done. I
Speaker 1: think he can get out of that tomorrow. It's probably
Speaker 1: about right. I think this is the fourth day. So
Speaker 1: and so, you know, I felt stupid yesterday. I asked
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, like, how does he look? What do you
Speaker 1: all think? And he was like, we haven't seen him yet.
Speaker 1: He's still in the protocol So that's that's just that.
Speaker 1: Come on, how does he look? Whenever you decided to
Speaker 1: bring him in? Like, you guys know something? You know
Speaker 1: that was give me something. That's what I was kind
Speaker 1: of trying to get at, is like, you know, you
Speaker 1: saw him in April or March. You clearly liked him
Speaker 1: enough to bring him back. You must have an idea
Speaker 1: that he's doing better. Which so they worked somebody out
Speaker 1: yesterday and I thought it might be Malie Cooker, but
Speaker 1: clearly not because of the protocols. It was this new guy,
Speaker 1: Chirroon Brown, who they signed while we were at practice yesterday. Chiron, Chiron,
Speaker 1: what's that it's a Chiron machine. It's a oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Christ knows, I'm talking about the most specialized thing in
Speaker 1: the world. Like you got it. There was only six feet.
Speaker 1: I've had way more conversations about the Chiron than I
Speaker 1: choose to. But go ahead, move on. Um So, but
Speaker 1: you know, he said, there's definitely interest. They clearly see
Speaker 1: something they like. I would expect he's going to join
Speaker 1: the team here when he does clear protocols, So keep
Speaker 1: an eye on that as this week goes along. That
Speaker 1: means that means I gotta cut someone if yeah, if
Speaker 1: they sign him, they do. Um. Which, so you know,
Speaker 1: William and I thought we saw the guy yesterday. Really well,
Speaker 1: we we some somebody's walking through the park alone was
Speaker 1: a big bag. Anytime you see a big bag walking
Speaker 1: with a big bag, Yeah, we've seen it. I mean
Speaker 1: we've seen all way up at the top, first two years,
Speaker 1: first few years we were at us and are the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback cut got cut in the middle of camp,
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. We saw banks walking through here, we saw
Speaker 1: a Quincy Carter, Chris Beams laying and the bush is
Speaker 1: getting the odds of the video for Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1: we saw a guy last night long dreads. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a big bag, Like and uh, it wasn't Um.
Speaker 1: It was Jalen Smith. He's probably going, he was going.
Speaker 1: It was probably going out for him. Yeah, yeahs a bag.
Speaker 1: It was big bag. But you know it happens people
Speaker 1: because people pack a couple of bags. They don't have
Speaker 1: the little bags and all that. He's do have one
Speaker 1: or two bags and so but for a second we
Speaker 1: were like, I didn't know it was him. I didn't.
Speaker 1: Of course Williams sitting over here. William knows every person
Speaker 1: on the team. You know what he looks like. You know,
Speaker 1: he can go buy their shoes and all their by
Speaker 1: their braids all that. But it was day off. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, they got to cut somebody. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be a starting linebacker. So I got Brown,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Brown, I assume is filling in for the
Speaker 1: fact that they cut Richard Robinson right before UM, right
Speaker 1: before training camp. He signed a two year deal, but
Speaker 1: I found out none of the money's guaranteed, So I
Speaker 1: think that's just a that's interesting for a two year deal. Well,
Speaker 1: I think my educated guess is maybe you know, if
Speaker 1: this guy sticks, that way, they don't have to deal
Speaker 1: with him being a restricted free agent or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But they are like, there's no obligation to keep him whatsoever,
Speaker 1: Like it's a two year deal. But trying to think
Speaker 1: whatever the years ago as a guy that they signed
Speaker 1: like that just out of the blue and it was
Speaker 1: a two year deal and it was like what I want,
Speaker 1: I want to say it was Antoine Woods. They're like,
Speaker 1: not only did they get him, but they got him,
Speaker 1: you know, for that sounds familiar, kind of lock him
Speaker 1: up for a little bit. So I think it's it's
Speaker 1: just a negotiating thing if if he turns out to
Speaker 1: be good, but so he can replace for Shard and
Speaker 1: then you know, the Jets have so many corners over there,
Speaker 1: they couldn't keep all of them. Yeah, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: understand that. Sometimes you got like that, like hes not
Speaker 1: good enough to make the Bengals or the Jets or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you just need a body to get through camp
Speaker 1: Man real quick. Jerry Jones did also give it up
Speaker 1: date yesterday on a couple of the veteran guys that
Speaker 1: have not yet practice. They've been on the populist Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Mary Cooper. What are we hearing about when
Speaker 1: we can expect to maybe see them either on a
Speaker 1: practice field or on a game field, which is coming
Speaker 1: up here, So that's kind of vague. Yeah, mid August,
Speaker 1: mid August Metroplex, Dallas, Dallas, Fort Worth, Frisco, Texas Ford Center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when, because he said after he said after the air,
Speaker 1: no California tank, no Ohio tank, no Arizona. Thank good.
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I'm very I'm questioning whether we'll see
Speaker 1: a lot of these, even the ones that are practicing
Speaker 1: right now, we'll see them in a bad tank, right, Like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see when we get a look closer to the
Speaker 1: regular season when it comes to games. You know what
Speaker 1: I needed. We can have an empty tank here for
Speaker 1: a while, you know, we don't have to fill this
Speaker 1: one all the way in. Yeah, we went on in
Speaker 1: I'm not ever gonna be mad about Pro bowlers not
Speaker 1: playing in the preseason ever. Yeah, I'm kind of coming
Speaker 1: around on your way of thinking as well. On that
Speaker 1: is that when was sure was yeah, you don't you
Speaker 1: know practice remember that, Remember when Dak got hurt and
Speaker 1: like just it took you thirty minutes to even realize
Speaker 1: what was going on, because just because it sucked so much,
Speaker 1: having that happened when the game doesn't even matter, it's
Speaker 1: even worse. Yeah, it's just the worst feeling in the world.
Speaker 1: So no, thanks, All right, we're going to We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our first break when we come back. I want
Speaker 1: to jump into a conversation Jerry and Mike McCarthy, both
Speaker 1: in press conferences over the last few days, have talked
Speaker 1: about how they can get back to a better, better
Speaker 1: performance than what they had last season, and really even
Speaker 1: historically as they've performed over the last several years, some
Speaker 1: people say last twenty six years. But I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that. There's some questions I
Speaker 1: have for you guys with regards to some of the
Speaker 1: players that are on this team and how optimism they
Speaker 1: provide you as to the fact that the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: get back to that level of success. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: the second segment of the Breaklife, Oxnard, California, and we're
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys football for forty five minutes here on the set,
Speaker 1: got Dave and Nick with me, and let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the the success of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of questions during the opening press conference,
Speaker 1: have been some since then to Jerry and Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: about how this team gets back to just being good
Speaker 1: because last year they weren't, or even getting back to
Speaker 1: the point where they were in the nineties where they
Speaker 1: actually were a Super Bowl contending team. So I have
Speaker 1: a list of questions here. I'm gonna ask you guys
Speaker 1: about some of the facets of this team and what
Speaker 1: they mean to maybe the overall success. Let's start with
Speaker 1: the first one, which is more important to them being
Speaker 1: better this year than last year. The return of Dak
Speaker 1: or the return of time and Smith and Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: and you gotta give me one. You can't just say both.
Speaker 1: You gotta give me one. Which way do you go? Dave,
Speaker 1: Dak and and you and you're not wrong, but like
Speaker 1: you've been big on that train that the tackles are
Speaker 1: so important than they are. But like a quarterback, always quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's tack Yeah, i'd say quarterback there. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna, if you're gonna combine the tackles, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's big there. I mean it's two tackles. But
Speaker 1: because you didn't have either one of them last, you'd
Speaker 1: rather play seventeen games with Dak Prescott and your backup
Speaker 1: tackles and Zey and and Terrence h. Eric Gilbert, whoever
Speaker 1: you want to put out it right? Yeah, ipect I
Speaker 1: was even I was gonna give you Andy Dalton, but
Speaker 1: just just to be nice, but you don't have them anymore.
Speaker 1: So seventeen games of Dak with mediocre tackles or seventeen
Speaker 1: games of Garrett Gilbert with good ones. I would rather
Speaker 1: play Andy Dalton than the two starting tackles. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was as you were saying, no, I no, no,
Speaker 1: I would give me, yes, give me Dak. I mean
Speaker 1: we saw we saw Dak without the tackles in Seattle
Speaker 1: and they scored thirty one points and we're winging it
Speaker 1: all over the yard like d's the result. They Okay,
Speaker 1: they lost. It's a hard league, but I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: it's I don't know if I know Dak is great,
Speaker 1: and I believe that Dak is really a great quarterback.
Speaker 1: We've had that conversation. You compare him to the rest
Speaker 1: of the league. I think he is a top five
Speaker 1: quarterback in this league. The problem still remains, if you
Speaker 1: cannot protect your quarterback, then yes, he could still put
Speaker 1: up some big numbers, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's enough to be able to
Speaker 1: win in the NFL consistently. And I'm sorry, Derek, but
Speaker 1: have you ever gone out to dinner with me and
Speaker 1: know that, like I'm gonna order the combo platter, I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to know, I want all of it. That's
Speaker 1: why I specifically said, you got to choose one of
Speaker 1: the others. You cannot go both, but we don't have
Speaker 1: to choose. Yes, you do both all three. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: that is the right answer. But if you're making me pick,
Speaker 1: just give me the quarterback and I get your point, Dave.
Speaker 1: Obviously we know in the NFL quarterback is absolutely the
Speaker 1: most important position. I'm just thinking on a team like
Speaker 1: this that as a really, really, really good running back
Speaker 1: on a team like this, that your defense cannot get
Speaker 1: exposed like they were last year, and that means you
Speaker 1: cannot leave them on the field. So the offense is
Speaker 1: gonna have to be able to consistently stay on the field.
Speaker 1: I just think if you have to choose between the two,
Speaker 1: give me a solid offensive line that could assure that
Speaker 1: I can still run the ball and can assure that
Speaker 1: my quarterback is gonna have time, and I will take
Speaker 1: a little lesser without a little a significantly lesser quarterback,
Speaker 1: because I think consistently, I think I'll win more games
Speaker 1: that way. And you look at but look at twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen though, yeah, twenty fifteen, and it's five years ago.
Speaker 1: But with Romo's first two games, Romo had it rolling
Speaker 1: and then he gets hurt, and I mean four and twelve,
Speaker 1: but the two that they win when Romo comes back,
Speaker 1: the team doesn't just can just drop off play better.
Speaker 1: And that was a pretty good offensive line. Three starters
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl. But I think if you go
Speaker 1: back to the first five games of last year, they
Speaker 1: didn't win them all, obviously, but they were putting up numbers.
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele starting all those games in Seattle, Atlanta, No
Speaker 1: Flozell in those games, layout was out the whole time.
Speaker 1: Dak got him in position. They didn't win all of them,
Speaker 1: they lost some, but it was it was right there
Speaker 1: about five hundred. And that's Dak with those guys, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Dak is a huge difference. That's
Speaker 1: what we say all the time. Right. It's like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys word only as good as eight and eight all
Speaker 1: those years because Romo was dragging them along for the
Speaker 1: ride basically, which is what Dak was gonna do. He
Speaker 1: was gonna drag him to eight and eight last year. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I your point's not wrong, But I just
Speaker 1: think quarterbacks too important. And we are splitting hairs here
Speaker 1: a bit. The hope is that you're gonna have all three. Yes,
Speaker 1: But but I but you know, I do mad back together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I do think that last year a lot
Speaker 1: of what they experienced, in my opinion, was about the tackles,
Speaker 1: and I think it all gets dumped onto a lot
Speaker 1: of cases, gets dumped onto Dak. I think the tackles
Speaker 1: had as much, if not more, to do with that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely lets one. One's the next question, who will have
Speaker 1: a greater impact offensively? This season, Zeke Elliott or Ceedee
Speaker 1: lamb Um Zeke to me, because he's he's still the starter,
Speaker 1: he's the he's the main guy. Um. And you got
Speaker 1: to it's a pick your poison type thing with with
Speaker 1: you know, with CD's gonna have some big games. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get some games, and maybe they shut him down
Speaker 1: and the ball goes over here. But I think, if
Speaker 1: if everything's working the way it's supposed to work, Zeke's
Speaker 1: the guy is supposed to get the ball. They want
Speaker 1: to run out the clock with him. If you can
Speaker 1: get to that point, I think it'll still be Zeke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think yeah, And I love CD, and I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna take another step. He'll be better
Speaker 1: than he was. But I'm not you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to say that he's the guy that the other
Speaker 1: team is game planning around heading into that week yet
Speaker 1: yet maybe how that is a week three, four, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he will be that guy, but I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to say he's that guy yet. And you still
Speaker 1: have two really other you know, two great receivers. I
Speaker 1: think I think Amari Cooper is maybe not criminally underrated,
Speaker 1: but underrated by the league. In terms of how good
Speaker 1: he really is, so he didn't underratate him. I saw
Speaker 1: that he's yeah, no, and on the list. Actually it's
Speaker 1: like okay, ea, like thank you because he you know,
Speaker 1: we had that argument with Danny McCrae a month ago,
Speaker 1: like he's I think he's one of the ten best
Speaker 1: receivers in the league. So, um, if I'm choosing between
Speaker 1: those guys, I guess I say, Zeke, would you resign him?
Speaker 1: Though maybe already know? And I'm gonna tell you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this. I don't have to resign him.
Speaker 1: He's under contract. I'm gonna tell you this. At Yes,
Speaker 1: go ahead, David. I like, if everybody tries to answer
Speaker 1: that question now and you don't have to, don't happen.
Speaker 1: You don't have to. You're right, you're right. Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens. See what happens. Let's see if Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: gets pulled off a punt return because he's too valuable
Speaker 1: to put there, then that's when I understand that. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is where the Cowboys kind of think about him.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's something we're not we don't
Speaker 1: think about it right now, but the Cowboys are definitely
Speaker 1: thinking about it. Everyone first, Michael Gallup is completely going
Speaker 1: to be gone. I'm like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. That's an interesting point because maybe
Speaker 1: they look at and say, you give me CD, and
Speaker 1: you give me Gallop and then I'm filling with other guys.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way they look at it long term,
Speaker 1: you know, and everything points toward optimism. With a Mari injury,
Speaker 1: we think he'll be fine for the season, but keep
Speaker 1: an eye on that. I mean, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: long season. Your opinion changes drastically from July to February,
Speaker 1: and so you know, if if Amari has a really
Speaker 1: disappointing season, which I don't think will happen, but if
Speaker 1: for some reason he does, maybe it's a conversation. But
Speaker 1: I do agree with you that he isn't underrated. He's
Speaker 1: Maris is an underrated play because you just I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's demeaner or you just don't think he's
Speaker 1: very fast or whatever. Doesn't make a lot of the people.
Speaker 1: He doesn't make a lot of the you know, we
Speaker 1: talk about Dez doing Dez things, and we're seeing that
Speaker 1: now from CD as well. He doesn't make those kind
Speaker 1: of plays as often they don't look as spectacular as
Speaker 1: sometimes even they are. Right who he reminds me of it.
Speaker 1: I believe he was right under Amaria on that Madden list.
Speaker 1: Is Keenan Allen? Yeah, you don't. You don't those guys
Speaker 1: are you don't flashy, They just haven't. Keenan Allen is
Speaker 1: better probably than Amari Cooper. He unfortun I mean, he
Speaker 1: just he plays for like the least visible team in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and that's part of it. Yeah. I will
Speaker 1: say this though, the things I've seen from CD Lamb
Speaker 1: suggests to me that if I'm trying to project out,
Speaker 1: I think he and the reason why I asked this question,
Speaker 1: I think he has the ability that by the end
Speaker 1: of this year, other than Dak, he will be the
Speaker 1: next talked about offensive player for the Cowboys. He will
Speaker 1: be the guy that's making the plays that everybody's talking about.
Speaker 1: He will be the guy that makes that game winning catch.
Speaker 1: He'll be the guy that makes the catch that you
Speaker 1: know is the game sealer. Like He's gonna be that guy,
Speaker 1: I think because I think he and Dak are building
Speaker 1: that kind of rapport and he has that that level
Speaker 1: of ability. I was trying to do my David helmet
Speaker 1: an impression a practice and take some really good saw
Speaker 1: that and I got one of CD and I thought
Speaker 1: it was bad. I thought it was bad video because
Speaker 1: he kind of ran out of the shot. Then he
Speaker 1: comes running right at me. But really what happened was
Speaker 1: is he broke Anthony Brown's ankles on this play and
Speaker 1: he went down like straight to the ground. So someone said,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know this was a verb, but I
Speaker 1: like it. He said, you're trying, You're out helmting Helman,
Speaker 1: I'm helming. I'm I'm It's taken me some time. I'm
Speaker 1: not on my a game yet. I really I gotta
Speaker 1: recommitt to find your right out in the rhythm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm out of practice. We didn't get to do this
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah you need this. The Tier two designation
Speaker 1: might help you. Alright. All right, let's go on to
Speaker 1: the next question. What have you seen defensively that could
Speaker 1: allow you to be optimistic that the defense will be better? Now,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying that. I'm saying that, first of all,
Speaker 1: knowing that Dave is the opposite of optimistic, like he's
Speaker 1: not an optimistic But there's a reason for it. If
Speaker 1: you want to be optimistic, if you want to give
Speaker 1: fans out there who are optimistic reasons to be optimistic,
Speaker 1: give me one thing you've seen from this defense that
Speaker 1: would give you a reason to be optimistic. Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I was gonna say Michael Parsons about but no,
Speaker 1: but Gregory's a better answer. Gregory's a better answer right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's um, he's looking like he looks like a stud.
Speaker 1: It's a good number for him. He's a good player.
Speaker 1: He like, holy, he's a good players. Yeah, which doing it?
Speaker 1: I know, like we're doing it, We're doing He looks
Speaker 1: so good though he does. But Tyrant Smith, I don't
Speaker 1: think Tyrn Smith's lost it. Okay, Now he looks like
Speaker 1: a robot with all this stuff that he's got working on,
Speaker 1: you know, but he They have some good battles and
Speaker 1: Randy doesn't win them all, but he gets some. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets a couple, he gets he gets a few.
Speaker 1: And think about it. Any game, Um, if guy has
Speaker 1: three sacks in a game, you're like dominated left, you
Speaker 1: get a couple of wins, there's seventy snaps and then
Speaker 1: he might have been pancaked for twenty of them. But
Speaker 1: but he got three sacks. Yeah, So I think Randy's
Speaker 1: gonna have moments like that, Like what McCarthy said. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna run a reverse around on him. He's too
Speaker 1: he's too agile, he's too he's too discipline. Really if
Speaker 1: you could throw that word in there for Randy. But
Speaker 1: I mean when it comes to that, he's just got
Speaker 1: that range, those long arms. I think he's having fun too.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, see, I mean why wouldn't he
Speaker 1: being him? He's got it. He's got a defensive Coordineta
Speaker 1: believes in him. Now, Yeah, like that's those were his
Speaker 1: words where he's talking about how last year he felt
Speaker 1: like he wasn't in those fair opportunities. So that could
Speaker 1: certainly improve his move. He's got an organization that has
Speaker 1: always believed in Yeah, you know, and I think he
Speaker 1: knows that too and understands that. And and we'll see.
Speaker 1: You know, we just said we're not going to see
Speaker 1: Tank till we get back to Texas. But like he's
Speaker 1: out here and working and looks good. Nobody's talking about
Speaker 1: it because we haven't seen him on the field yet.
Speaker 1: The Marcus Lawrence looks lean like even. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: never been a big guy, but like he even looked
Speaker 1: like I saw him on it. He posted something on
Speaker 1: Instagram the other day. I was like, you look small
Speaker 1: like he like he is cut down and you know
Speaker 1: they do the you know, the hula hoop drills where
Speaker 1: they like work on their bend and he still got it.
Speaker 1: He I mean, he, Marcus, you've ever seen do it? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: but that's not fair. He yeah, yet that's sixth all
Speaker 1: time on the NFL Cyclist or wherever where is. Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't he doesn't look like you know, you
Speaker 1: you look at him. Some guys you're like, oh, he
Speaker 1: looks like he's far away from being able to play football.
Speaker 1: The Marcus doesn't look like he's far away and nothing
Speaker 1: against his body now and all that stuff. We gotta
Speaker 1: remember the guy and played football in a while. But
Speaker 1: what is Micah Parson's gonna look like a year from
Speaker 1: now when we come to training. Can jesus it's kind
Speaker 1: of scary robot, kind of scary upside down? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: talking about him, you said you were excited about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, if that's the case, next year, he's
Speaker 1: going to be intercepting that ball instead of just running
Speaker 1: down the By the way, he's already intercepting balls like
Speaker 1: this guy, he's everywhere. He's rushing pass protection. Where I
Speaker 1: play him, his position is middle of the field, just
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, linebacker, safety, whatever the hell you want. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get to that point. And this is why you
Speaker 1: draft him this side. But where they get on the
Speaker 1: field of the quarterbacks, like where's eleven? Okay, right, there's
Speaker 1: right here? Kind of thinking could be? I mean, and
Speaker 1: how dynamic is that? Like he does everything? He does everything.
Speaker 1: They had him, They had him blitz in the A
Speaker 1: gap yesterday. He was dropping in zone, he was following
Speaker 1: guys down the field. He should he should have had
Speaker 1: a pick. He dropped in his own and read Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert's eyes, you, I mean, broke on the ball, just
Speaker 1: couldn't bring it in. He broke up another one. So
Speaker 1: he had two breakups yesterday. He just and and and
Speaker 1: you know, they got him running from seven on seven
Speaker 1: to pass rush drills, like hey, get over there and
Speaker 1: go against tiring a couple of times, and then get
Speaker 1: back and go against Dak and the receivers. It's just fun.
Speaker 1: He's he's fun. If Dad goes down, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that maybe we ought not consider letting him about. There's
Speaker 1: your backup quarterbacks? Quarterbacks? Yeah, I'm not really so. I'm
Speaker 1: not really so enamored with the quarterbacks they got right
Speaker 1: now behind Dak. But let's let's move on to the
Speaker 1: next question. It is a one that kind of hits
Speaker 1: on the what you guys just said. But which defender
Speaker 1: do you think will have a larger impact if you
Speaker 1: have to choose one, Nick, you have to choose one
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, Michael Parsons or Trayvon Diggs. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: the best impact, the biggest impact on this defense. Good question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I go Randy just because I know what
Speaker 1: his role is and how much he's gonna play like
Speaker 1: he's gonna be your right end and unless something crazy happens,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna play sixty percent or more of the
Speaker 1: snaps and I'm Dig's will too. But I pass rushes
Speaker 1: and pass rush is more important. Do you do you
Speaker 1: want to alter? I know earlier this this offseason, you
Speaker 1: and I had that little gentleman's wager on on whether
Speaker 1: we thought Parsons would be a starter to begin the
Speaker 1: season actually up a little bit. I told somebody yesterday,
Speaker 1: I was like, I might be in trouble on that,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not ready to be because remember
Speaker 1: all I said was first snap, Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm I feel okay thinking that they'll be like,
Speaker 1: all right, rook you, you know, get out there for
Speaker 1: the next one. But let Jalen have this. Let Jayalen
Speaker 1: get the start stet. I know one thing. I mentioned
Speaker 1: this to Nick yesterday in the press conference. And this
Speaker 1: may mean absolutely nothing, but Mike McCarthy was asked about
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, and in his response he spent the majority
Speaker 1: of the time talking about Michael Parsons. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's an accident any The point he was making was
Speaker 1: there's a lot of competition at linebacker. You I might,
Speaker 1: I might wind up owing you dinner, but I'm a man,
Speaker 1: I can I'll stick with it, all right. Do I
Speaker 1: get to pick the place? By the way, No, okay,
Speaker 1: well you're gonna pick the place. Don't kill me. I mean,
Speaker 1: all right, let's not go to let's not go to
Speaker 1: Nick and SAMs. We'll figure it out. Yeah, all right, Nick,
Speaker 1: I mean I think all three of them are dogs,
Speaker 1: and I think that that that mentality on defense can
Speaker 1: be better just just by the three of them. And
Speaker 1: they're on all levels too. I think trey Von Diggs
Speaker 1: is really really going to have a big impact. Um,
Speaker 1: I agree with it on that. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the pass rusher because the pass rusher can make the
Speaker 1: Diggs a better play ass rusher well of the three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I get that you're saying that that parsonsal blitz.
Speaker 1: I don't do all that stuff too, and that'll help.
Speaker 1: But Gregory, you know, Bill Bill Kawer, Okay, rush the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Just rush to the quarterback, and I he'll He'll make
Speaker 1: Parsons a better player. He'll make Diggs a better player.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, I love what I'm seeing out
Speaker 1: of Diggs. I really do. He doesn't win them all either.
Speaker 1: That's okay, Cornerston don't win him. They don't. His mentality
Speaker 1: is fun and you talk to him. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys got a chance to interview him and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and he's just he's just refreshing, you know.
Speaker 1: I think he has a chance to you know, we
Speaker 1: asked that question. I guess it was on the show
Speaker 1: with Shannon and Nate yesterday about cornerbacks that are dogs.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's hard to have that mentality, really,
Speaker 1: but but he he can be that. He's got yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that gives me pause about
Speaker 1: Diggs is I'm not a big believer in the rest
Speaker 1: of the secondary. And you know, and that's a it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating debate, and there's plenty of evidence that suggests
Speaker 1: having a dominant secondary is better than having a dominant
Speaker 1: pass rush. But this isn't a dominant secondary like Diggs.
Speaker 1: Diggs looks really promising. I don't feel amazing about anybody
Speaker 1: else back there. Not to get too far into that,
Speaker 1: but give me an example of a team where you
Speaker 1: have a dominant secondary but the pass rush isn't as dominant.
Speaker 1: I mean, because to me they seem to go hand
Speaker 1: in Typically, when you have a really good secondary, you
Speaker 1: have some beast up front. I can hear what you're
Speaker 1: about to say, So don't know, I'm not going there.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, give me somebody else. No, just don't.
Speaker 1: I mean Seattle's pass Seattle's pass rush was good, it
Speaker 1: wasn't on the caliber of what those players were in
Speaker 1: the back seven, like three Hall of famers in the secondary,
Speaker 1: and like the I mean, the pass rush was good,
Speaker 1: but who was the best one? Michael Bennett probably, which
Speaker 1: I mean a good player, not like you're not going
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. Neither's Cliff Avril some years
Speaker 1: where he played really really well, but not not just
Speaker 1: this dumb and even you know, and they're not the
Speaker 1: best in the league right now, but um, you know,
Speaker 1: my Miami's defense is good because their secondary is good
Speaker 1: right now. Buffalo is similar. You know, they they got
Speaker 1: a couple of solid safeties. Turdavious White's good. You know,
Speaker 1: ninety five Cowboys all about the secondary, well, the uncovered
Speaker 1: half the field, and Darren Woodson was back there as well.
Speaker 1: Now we also are talking about the greatest cornerback in
Speaker 1: NFL history. But that's my point is if you have
Speaker 1: amazing secondary, you can have a great defense without a
Speaker 1: pass rush. But that's not what this team has. Could
Speaker 1: that also go as far as to say, if you
Speaker 1: have an amazing one cornerback, that could make the difference
Speaker 1: for the rest of the secondary, make the secondary, rest
Speaker 1: of the secondary a great secondary. Sure, I'm the Jets
Speaker 1: did that with Rivas for a few years. Yeah, but absolutely, Okay,
Speaker 1: but Diggs isn't there, and that right, Yeah, so bad
Speaker 1: part is that Diggs is gonna have to go up
Speaker 1: against the best receiver night in and night out, and
Speaker 1: and he's not. And that's that's the point I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make, is I feel great about where Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: is going. I'm not sure he's got enough help back
Speaker 1: there right now that you know that it's gonna pay
Speaker 1: off for him, at least right away. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that of your three guys that you mentioned, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill might not be the better player on this
Speaker 1: on this whole. I mean he might be. They're saying
Speaker 1: he might be the best player on the entire defense.
Speaker 1: He might be the glue. Yeah, yeah, I just want
Speaker 1: to I And this is a conversation I had with
Speaker 1: some people last night. A lot of Dalton Schultz's wins
Speaker 1: yesterday came him in coverage. Now, I mean, Jalen Gate
Speaker 1: had his fair shoot too. I saw him on a
Speaker 1: few of those. We're not I'm not here to bear
Speaker 1: somebody based on one day of practice, but that going
Speaker 1: back to what Nick said at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: like when somebody does good, that means somebody did bad
Speaker 1: when it's all the same team. And Dalton Schultz was
Speaker 1: beating up on Keiana Neal a little bit. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna say good point. All right, we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: new segment. I get around. Let's say how much these
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Speaker 1: Let's start first with Demante Casey. He's a sixty year player,
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent that the Cowboys picked up from Atlanta.
Speaker 1: He wasn't undrafted, wasn't he was a six I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: not undrafted, I'm sorry, unrestricted, already already unrestricted free agent
Speaker 1: out of Atlanta. Nick go oh Man, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not the biggest guy I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in the world, you know, but I mean he's I
Speaker 1: think by default he's one of the better safeties on
Speaker 1: this team right now. And so he's out there. He is.
Speaker 1: He's not made a lot of memorable plays to me.
Speaker 1: But I think was he held out in last in
Speaker 1: practice yesterday or the day before. I feel like he
Speaker 1: wasn't in a lot of Honestly, I had held out.
Speaker 1: We were having we had an argument about that yesterday.
Speaker 1: I think I think they which and people freak out.
Speaker 1: They didn't demote him. But he ran with the twos yesterday.
Speaker 1: From what I see him win the twos a lot,
Speaker 1: and and so that's why I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if he was out there a lot in teams,
Speaker 1: Maybe that I mean, and he's coming off in Achilles.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're limiting him because he was getting a lot
Speaker 1: of work the first two days, a little haha and him,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, I mean, doesn't say I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, come on, as soon as you say that,
Speaker 1: you know what everybody's thinking. Well, I'm just saying, just
Speaker 1: from the storyline, Okay, he's coming in from from you know,
Speaker 1: another coach had him before. Okay, McCart if he had
Speaker 1: haha before made a Pro Bowl, I don't think because
Speaker 1: he has. But he led the league and interceptions in
Speaker 1: one year, and so you know, and then you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well he's in. He's for sure. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: well where is he now? He's with the twos and
Speaker 1: all that. I'm just saying, I don't think it's so
Speaker 1: good that they had to sign Mallie Cook. It's too
Speaker 1: early to say it's the same thing, because if that
Speaker 1: was true, then why was he the starter all through OTAs, like,
Speaker 1: you know, ten practices. He was out there doing his
Speaker 1: thing the whole time. I mean, hadn't signed Hooker yet,
Speaker 1: but he said he's gonna be a two name guy.
Speaker 1: It's two it's too. He's kind of you got it
Speaker 1: the first name in there. You know, we don't. We
Speaker 1: don't call him Pollard, him Tony, people do. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think it's Tony Pollard. I call him
Speaker 1: TP different book for different reasons. You can't just say
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to use Malik with it. I just
Speaker 1: think you need to always say MALIEK. Cooker. Well, and
Speaker 1: you're I get around segment. I mean think about that.
Speaker 1: That could get a little bit right, all right, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I just hope I hope that's not true, because he's
Speaker 1: he's got one of my favorite new nicknames on the team.
Speaker 1: He's apparently he's gone by a crazy casey since he
Speaker 1: was a kid, which an awesome name for a safety. Um,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I'll tell you I hate and I'm
Speaker 1: not a big number dork, but I hate his number.
Speaker 1: I don't thirty five like especially. Thirty five is fine
Speaker 1: if you're like a thumper, but if you're a free safety, doesn't.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't look right. I don't like it. It
Speaker 1: seemed like a fast name. If he makes if he
Speaker 1: makes the team, maybe he changes out of it. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Second name I'm gonna give you guys,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. He used the fourth year players second round
Speaker 1: draft pick in two thy eighteen out of the University
Speaker 1: of Texas Hookham Horns, Dave go. Uh, they got him
Speaker 1: doing that. We figured out who their backup center is.
Speaker 1: It's Connor. They got him working at center. He did
Speaker 1: it yesterday, he was running with the twos. I think
Speaker 1: he got some work with Dak as well. M not
Speaker 1: something he did in college, although he did. He did
Speaker 1: work at it a little bit during his draft process,
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. And Mike McCarthy talked yesterday that you know,
Speaker 1: he likes to train his guards as centers, and that's
Speaker 1: a way that you can kind of finagle the roster
Speaker 1: math so you don't have to have two centers. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks he looks good. And he had a funny
Speaker 1: comment yesterday that he's like, I'm glad that I feel
Speaker 1: young again because Tying and Lyle and Zach are all
Speaker 1: back in the lineup, and so like he's back to
Speaker 1: being the young member of the line instead of last year.
Speaker 1: He's the only veteran on the line. So uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fun. That's fun that he's doing a little bit
Speaker 1: of center. Nick. Always a little tricky when that happens.
Speaker 1: When you're taking a guy to do more things. It's like,
Speaker 1: are you taking him away from his craft to be
Speaker 1: a better guard? You know? And and it's always kind
Speaker 1: of tricky on the offensive line too, because what you're
Speaker 1: doing with competition, you, continuity is such an important thing. Oh, he'siveness,
Speaker 1: so you gotta get him all together. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it will affect him that much. I'm okay. If
Speaker 1: he's the backup center there, I do question why does
Speaker 1: it take so long? I would like to see him
Speaker 1: do this. Last year practiced a little bit more. We
Speaker 1: hadn't seen that before. But yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: he's doing He's doing well. And he talked about having
Speaker 1: Tyring on his left. I mean, he's a much better
Speaker 1: it's a much better player when he when Tyrant's out there,
Speaker 1: no offense than Brandon Knight or Steel or whoever. But
Speaker 1: Tyrant takes up, you know, cleans up from some trash
Speaker 1: a little bit more. All right, So let's go to
Speaker 1: Malik Charner. He is a fourth year wide receiver acquired
Speaker 1: through waivers from Green Bay in twenty twenty. Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they resigned him, honestly. I mean, Riding was
Speaker 1: on the wall last year. He kind of got phased
Speaker 1: out of this, you know, of the team. He was
Speaker 1: just a special teams guy, not really much a receiver,
Speaker 1: and then he wasn't even active. So for him to
Speaker 1: be resigned as an unrestricted free agent, it was surprising
Speaker 1: to me. Not only is he coming out here and
Speaker 1: probably one of the core guys for John Fossil's group,
Speaker 1: but he's been really good at receiver. He's I mean,
Speaker 1: I asked him yesterday. I talked to him a little
Speaker 1: bit and I said, you know, you're not just those
Speaker 1: pressure teams guy. He's like, I want to be a
Speaker 1: team guy. I want team, the whole team. I want
Speaker 1: them to say put him on teams, put him at receiver, anywhere,
Speaker 1: you know, and those guys are real valuable. So we
Speaker 1: didn't mention him yesterday earlier today and we talked about that.
Speaker 1: But he's right in the mixed. He's made some place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably the best throw of Dack's camp so far was
Speaker 1: to him just it was like a flag route down
Speaker 1: you know, far coming to the sideline, made a great
Speaker 1: sliding catch and I'm Yeah, there's always a guy that
Speaker 1: flies under the radar that the coaching staff values a
Speaker 1: little bit more than people realize. And maybe he's one
Speaker 1: of them, because talking about John Fossil. Fossil was working
Speaker 1: with him on punt stuff yesterday for a while after practice,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's the type of guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: need to play a lot of snaps in the preseason
Speaker 1: if he does a good job with it. Who knows.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph he is a rookie cornerback. He was the
Speaker 1: second round pick of the Cowboys this year out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Dave go I don't I don't have a ton to
Speaker 1: say yet other than that, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: there was a narrative that people were like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like he's already fallen behind. You know, he he had
Speaker 1: COVID in the spring and he didn't get to practice
Speaker 1: and he's just he's the rookie years already awash, and
Speaker 1: that that's not true. I mean, he looked, you know,
Speaker 1: he's fighting out there. He looks like he belongs. He
Speaker 1: had a pass break up on a long ball a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago against Dak and I don't remember
Speaker 1: who the receiver was think, so he's he's battling. He
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a liability. But I you know, I
Speaker 1: can't say that I've he's jumped out to me in
Speaker 1: this insane way, but he's He's part of the mix
Speaker 1: for sure. I was trying to walk behind the defense
Speaker 1: of the during a practice, trying to get out of
Speaker 1: the way. But as I was doing doing that, there
Speaker 1: was a play on the sideline. I don't even think
Speaker 1: the ball went that way. I just think it was
Speaker 1: a reaction play that he kind of saw the running
Speaker 1: back or whatever. And Al Harris, the cornerbacks coach or
Speaker 1: the backs coach, got so excited about that. He was like,
Speaker 1: you saw it. You saw it, Kelvin, you saw it.
Speaker 1: You know, like he was like so excited, jumped up,
Speaker 1: had him on the helmet. He was just like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what it wasn't even again, the ball
Speaker 1: wasn't his way. Was just more about the zone or
Speaker 1: the coverage and how you know he let the safety
Speaker 1: take it when and got the running back. But I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, like Al Harris was excited, and it probably
Speaker 1: means that there was a few plays that he hadn't
Speaker 1: been seeing it, but so you know, it's early, it's
Speaker 1: and he's gonna he's got a learning curve there, you know.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see Jeremy Sprinkle, fifth year tight end.
Speaker 1: He was an unrestricted free agent that the Cowboys picked
Speaker 1: up from the Washington football team. Nick go, you know,
Speaker 1: he hasn't done a whole lot. He really hasn't. And
Speaker 1: Arkansas guy, Yeah, he's the Arkansas guy. And he was
Speaker 1: a good pass catcher at Arkansas. You know, he played
Speaker 1: two tight ends with Hunter Henry. I always forget, I
Speaker 1: don't know what Henry it is, always forget that was
Speaker 1: your guy. There's seventeen Henrys at Arkansas. He was like
Speaker 1: all other American Hudson Henry. And then there's a there's
Speaker 1: another tight end at Arkansas down and his dad was
Speaker 1: Mark Henry. I don't know Henry. Mark Henry has in
Speaker 1: the wrestler now wrestlers, different guys, sexual chocolate. I know
Speaker 1: Mark Henry, but go ahead, a little different, okay, a
Speaker 1: little bittle bit cool though I haven't seen a lot.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I just haven't. I thought, again, what he's
Speaker 1: here to do is to be an on the line
Speaker 1: blocker on tight end, and I don't think at this
Speaker 1: point we saw a lot of the Blake Bell either.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be the third tight end that
Speaker 1: can do some some some blocking, some things like that.
Speaker 1: But um, I haven't seen any of the other tight
Speaker 1: ends to do much either the other the backups, see,
Speaker 1: I don't quite agree with that. That's Sprinkles probably on
Speaker 1: this list the name where I'm like, I don't got
Speaker 1: a lot for you. Um, he's all around, Um, he's
Speaker 1: been out there, but no, no, But I was gonna
Speaker 1: say I've even seen they've featured Sean McCune. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of the other guys. You're right, Yes, they've featured
Speaker 1: they've featured McCune a good little bit on some of
Speaker 1: the rollouts and the boot stuff. But I can't stress.
Speaker 1: I can't stress enough. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm like everybody keeps forgetting that they haven't put pads
Speaker 1: on yet, like we've you know, these are Ota practices. Basically,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Sprinkle's game probably doesn't translate super well to this
Speaker 1: style of practice. So when they start doing the run
Speaker 1: fits and you know, you start watching people setting the
Speaker 1: edge and thudding up, I bet he'll show up. A
Speaker 1: little bit more than he has these first few plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that may be more the role that they're going
Speaker 1: to ask of him, and so he doesn't show up
Speaker 1: right now. Whereas you know, right now, it's really the
Speaker 1: skill players that were noticing more because they're the ones
Speaker 1: that can actually get out there, thing on around. You
Speaker 1: can see what they do. We started this show off
Speaker 1: talking about how you know, great the receivers look, which
Speaker 1: is I mean, that's the right. It's a rite of
Speaker 1: passage every year because it's the easiest thing to notice
Speaker 1: in these practices. All right, that's a rat man. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We'll be back on Wednesday and
Speaker 1: we'll give you guys some more updates. Cowboys will practice
Speaker 1: tomorrow and then hopefully a little later this week. I
Speaker 1: did get a little note from our buddy Brian. He's
Speaker 1: gonna try to jump Brian Broad's gonna try to jump
Speaker 1: on with us on the show later this week, either
Speaker 1: win or Friday. See if we can jump in here
Speaker 1: with us and give us some of his thoughts about
Speaker 1: training camp. We'll do all that later this week for
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