1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to She Pivots. I'm your host to Emily Tish Sussman. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: One of my goals in starting this podcast is to 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: highlight voices and stories of women who went through something 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: deeply personal, only to come out of it on the 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: other side better than they could have imagined. After launching 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: She Pivots last year, it's clear it's not a small group. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: This applies to most women, whether it's a big pivot 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: or even just a tiny pivot. What's clear is there's 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: still a lot of unpacking to do around pivoting. So 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: as we're continuing to build this platform and community through 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: new episodes, I wanted to also bring you more stories, 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: unfiltered and honest. So I'll be sitting down with more women, 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: maybe the occasional man, some of whom have mastered their 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 2: own pivot, some are just starting the pivoting journey. Are 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: some just have something to teach us about the deeply 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: personal moments of life. So stay tuned for more of 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: these candid conversations this season. Let's jump right in, Okay, 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: Tory Taylor, political strategist, genius, former executive director of Swing Left, 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: one of the best people you will ever meet in politics. 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining this interview in my hotel room. 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to use all of those lines as like 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: the opening like bio for my LinkedIn and like maybe 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: my Twitter bio especially like the best person you'll ever meet. 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the best intro I've ever gotten. This 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: is part of your illustrious podcasting career. Yeah, you hosted 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: a show and I loved and you came up with 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: the title for my political show. 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: Oh is that right? 30 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: Yes? 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Is that right? 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: Oh, how fun came up. 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: With your political playlist. I mean it was like a playlist. 35 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: It was Wow, what a clever name. It's had so 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: many meetings. It was so good. Yeah. I love that. 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: I love that. I totally forgot that. Does that genius 38 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: just emanate from you at all times? 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: I like to think, So you brought it to politics, Yeah, 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: then you've brought it to podcasts. 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then back to politics. Yeah. Yeah. Basically yeah, 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm like a two trip pony. That's it. 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 3: You're like puns in every field. I know, I'll have 44 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: to think of like the next thing I want to 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: bring genius to. But also I don't want to stretch 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 3: it out too much, you know, it's like, do a 47 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: couple of things really well, but if like you know, 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 3: if you spread it out too much, then you just 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: start being bad at all of them. You know. 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: Do you remember any of your other good podcast namings? 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I don't know if I like named any others. 52 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: I definitely thought of lots of names and had lots 53 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: of ideas for other podcasts, but like they mostly just 54 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 3: stayed in my head, like. 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: This is your moment, let's hear them. 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: I feel like every friend that I've had that I've 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: ever had like an interesting conversation with, like beginning like 58 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: five or six years ago, like. 59 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Oh, we should start a podcast because we'reus. 60 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: Like we could call it like Torri and Susan talk 61 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: about the news or whatever. But like, I don't think 62 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: any of those were very good. I think it was 63 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: just like we think we're so funny and the masses 64 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: would want to hear this conversation, which also is like, 65 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 3: you know, low key narcissistic. That's about I love that 66 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: I'm saying and a recording things. 67 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: So this era of narcissism, like it's not even like 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: the selfie Instagram, like look what a great influencer I am, 69 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: Like people would find me hilarious. 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Fry of the world of this. 71 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean that's literally what this podcast is right now? 72 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I feel like I feel 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: like this, like people will either find this very like endearing, 74 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: like oh, how cute, or be like wow, what a tool. 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: So I guess we'll see they're going to be like. 76 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: Did these two girls used to talk about politics? I 77 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: didn't talk about policy. We don't even believe that. 78 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah no. 79 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: But you know, whenever you're talking to friends and like 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: you guys get going and like the little groove and 81 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: you're bantering and like one joke leads to another and 82 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: like you're laughing, and then all of a sudden, like wow, 83 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: that was like a killer ten minute segment. 84 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: You know, we could even put an ad break in here. 85 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: It was so good, I know, I know. And now 86 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: moving on to these pants. Now, these pants they're so comfortable, 87 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: I'll wear them all the time. Well you can get 88 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: this ten percent discount code. It really was the sponsor 89 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: that you had on your podcast was yeah, yeah, yeah, 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: I was. 91 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: I was circling back, which I so aware Beta brand 92 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: sponsored me again, what's a sponsor? 93 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Always a sponsor you're in so deep. You're good. They 94 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: got you for life, I know. Okay, So, Tori, when I. 95 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: Had the idea of doing this, when I was coming 96 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: down to DC in person to have an episode with 97 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: you on yeah, it is because you were one of 98 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: the people that I've known the longest in politics, yeah, 99 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: which is crazy. 100 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 101 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: And you were a wee baby politico in infant and 102 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: infinite when. 103 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: We had because you were the head of the College Democrats. Yeah, 104 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: as an infant, as an infant yeah. And I was 105 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: the head of the Young Democrats of America. Yeah. 106 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: And then the organizations were at war, of course, naturally, 107 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: why would not anything in the Democratic Party not be 108 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: at war entirely? 109 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: And then you became the head of the youth engagement 110 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: at the convention, that's right. Yeah, so our power dynamic, 111 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: Like you really had the upper hand very quickly. Oh wow, 112 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: I never thought of it like that. Oh I definitely did. 113 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: Oh did you really? Oh my god, Oh she's in. 114 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: College, but now she holds all of my faith And 115 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: you really handled that howard beautifully. 116 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. 117 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: I think I was like, I don't know that I 118 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: fully knew that I had it all so that probably helped. 119 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: When you don't know how much power you're wielding. 120 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I was like a baby, I 121 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 3: mean like twenty, but yeah, in my mind, a baby. 122 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: You handled yourself very professionally. Thank you, thank you. Well. 123 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: I was like, that was one of my first like 124 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: real jobs, that convention job, and because before I had 125 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: just been doing like student organizing and I was in college, 126 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: and so I feel like every time I went to 127 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: that job, I was like, oh God, they're gonna realize 128 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: that I'm a child, and they're not gonna let me 129 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 3: have this job anymore. 130 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: So I was always on like my best foot forward. Well, 131 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: I remember you. I remember sitting in a meeting with you. 132 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Maybe it was at the convention, but it was like 133 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: a tense meeting and you were running it and you 134 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: handled the pressure very well. Wow, I held an awkward conversation. 135 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: Shout out to twenty year old toy, we love her, 136 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: we love her. 137 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: So then after that, so after the convention, I actually 138 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: don't know what you did after that, But then a 139 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: few years, like a few jobs into it, I was 140 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: able to. 141 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: Recruit you over to work on my team. Yeah. 142 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, at Center for American Progress, Yeah, which was a 143 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 2: real highlight for which was only like three years later, 144 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: which that feels like it was like ten years later, 145 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: but it wasn't that long after that. Well, you were 146 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: already I remember when you came over, you were on 147 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: a list of rising stars in Washington, because I was like, oh, 148 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 2: did you guys see the get who's coming to my team? 149 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: She is a rising star? 150 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember that she had no impression in 151 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: those three years. 152 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was a a meteoric rise for baby toy. 153 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: She became like a toddler and then like a rising 154 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: star and then just like a regular adult. Like so 155 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: there's like that window where if like you're just young enough, 156 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: everyone's like, oh my god, it's so cool to have 157 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: like young people in the room, like what a wonder kid. 158 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: And then you like reach like twenty five or twenty six, 159 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, you're just like everybody else. 160 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: Like, wow, go do your job. It's nothing special. Now 161 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: it's time to do your job. Yeah, yeah, nothing special. 162 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: So I appreciated the years where I was special. 163 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: Well, I remember feeling like I could not believe that 164 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: I had I was so happy that I had recruited 165 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: you over because I was like I get to hang 166 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: out with. 167 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Toy every day. Oh, that's so funny. 168 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: And that era lasted less long than I would have 169 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: liked it too, of us actually working together. 170 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: I know. Do you remember that conversation? Yeah, yeah, that 171 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton sucked me away. 172 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: You did it tactfully when you came to me and 173 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: you said there's only one job that I would leave 174 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: this job for. 175 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just offered it to me. I know, 176 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: I know, I remember that, Like I remember like being in. 177 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: The office having that conversation, because like I remember going 178 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: into those interviews. One I'm obviously obsessed with Hillary Clinton 179 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: and always had been, but I was like, oh, there's 180 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: really like only like a couple of jobs that would 181 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: makes sense for me to leave for. And then I 182 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: get on the phone they offered me that exact job. 183 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, well. 184 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: Look at God, Look at God. Who am I to 185 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: argue with this? Yeah? Yeah, it feels like destiny. 186 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: And it was also just like I feel like Emily 187 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: won't be mad at me for going to try to 188 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: elect the first female president. You know. 189 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: That was like, you know, you're you make a good argument. 190 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: You know. It was just like for anyone in anyone 191 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: but Hillary Clinton. It might have been a problem, but 192 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: it's just like, okay, well, you know, first female president, Okay, whatever. 193 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: Well, I can't remember how much I communicated to you 194 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: about this at the time because I was so insecure 195 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: about it. But I had just gotten married and immediately 196 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: gotten pregnant, so I knew that I wasn't going to 197 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: be able to go work on the campaign, even though. 198 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: That had been my dream. 199 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: But I knew it wasn't going to be an option 200 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: for me, and you got basically the best job I 201 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: could have imagined, Like I hadn't necessarily put myself out there, 202 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: but also nobody had. 203 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: Called me for it. 204 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: So I was happy for you, but also jealous that 205 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: you were one. 206 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: Offered the job and two able to take it. 207 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want I never even knew that you were jealous. 208 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: I you know, it was really I was going to 209 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: represent us both. It was like us as a Unich going, 210 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: well you always you know, if you can then I will, 211 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: you know, right, Yeah, it was it was me why, 212 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: I like, it was so special because my the first 213 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: thing a man I ever worked on was Hillary Clinton's 214 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: and Jy and eight, and I was like the first 215 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: time I ever got involve in politics. So there was 216 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: like this like sentimental, like full circle moment about it. 217 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I like started as an intern in 218 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, and now I'm going to go 219 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: be dead the women Vote director in headquarters. 220 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: It was really cute. Yeah, me and my grandmother talked 221 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: about it a lot. I absuper shooting. I know, I 222 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: know I had the baby. I remember I. 223 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: Brought him to visit you in headquarters and in Brooklyn. 224 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, took him. 225 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm obsessed with children and babies in particular, 226 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 3: Like I love babies, and you brought the baby to 227 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: headquarters Dean, which is crazy to even think about Dean 228 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: as a baby now, but I remember, like you gave 229 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: him to me, and I just kind of like trotted 230 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: off and I. 231 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: Was thrilled because I wasn't sure that I was taking 232 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: care of him correctly. 233 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Geori feels more confident than I do with 234 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: this four week old. 235 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: I think he was literally three to four weeks old. 236 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: I was in my head, Yeah, I was looking back 237 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 2: to my pictures. He was like four weeks old. 238 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: I have this like screenshot. 239 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: I think it was like maybe you took it on 240 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: snapchat or something and sent it later. But it was 241 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: like a screenshot of like me holding Dean in a 242 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: very far away part of the office, and like the 243 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: caption was just like Tory ran away with I was like, 244 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: there goes touring with my child something like that. And 245 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: so that's the only like photographic evidence I have of 246 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: him been in the office. Is me somewhere in a corner, 247 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: like low key kidnapping him. 248 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: Just a very small granulated dot representing the presential campaign. 249 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: Well at the time, kidnapping children. 250 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: Well that's actually also probably was representing the campaign well 251 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: because on that same trip, HRC was in the city 252 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: and in my mom's building, and my mom was like, oh, 253 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: let's bring Dean. 254 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: What was she thinking? 255 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: So we actually went over to that event, and because 256 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: she loves babies, she was like, oh, look at this 257 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: cute little baby. And then the next day or I 258 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: think that day was the day that she fell down. 259 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: Oh I don't know that she had the flu. 260 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I remember this now, and we were like, 261 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: let's never show this photographic evidence that she may have 262 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: given a pre vaccinated baby at the flu. 263 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: Oh. 264 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: I was actually liked, Dean give her the. 265 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 3: Fluor oh, no, no, no, no, no. 266 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: No no, that's not a story. That's not a story. 267 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: But I do feel like that was the beginning. Like 268 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: I've talked about this a lot, especially in this podcast, 269 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: but like that was kind of like the beginning of 270 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: the end of my downward trajectory of my political career, 271 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: like of all the things that I thought I was 272 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: working towards. Yeah, you and I both know, like living 273 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: and working in this political world that like you live 274 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: in a two year cycle a congressional cycle, and you 275 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: live in a four year cycle of presidential cycle. So 276 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: like every job you take, you're like thinking about how 277 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: long am I going to be in it before I 278 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: can get back on a campaign, because that's what really 279 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: drives me, and how am I going to be positioned 280 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: for it? And like what am I lacking that I 281 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: could then build myself into potentially for the next job, 282 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: And like that was the beginning of the end for 283 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: me that like I couldn't be in the mix, I 284 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: couldn't be in the cycle. 285 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: But you have done it. 286 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, when you think about it, like 287 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: the sector is like so brutal, especially you know, I 288 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: think also being in a city like Washington, d C. 289 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: I mean the comparison cycle. You just can't escape it. 290 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: Like, what do you mean the comparison cycle, Like you know, 291 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: because so many people who I think enter political careers, 292 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: whether it's like an advocacy or campaigns. It's like you said, 293 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: it's like it's just a constant, you know, seemingly ladder 294 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: to different things or like a jungle gem, always like 295 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: switching jobs or like having that cyclical nature. And I 296 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: think it's really hard to like be in such a 297 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: like a condensed ecosystem like DC where everyone has jobs 298 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: like that, Like your social circle is probably people who 299 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: also have jobs like that. 300 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: And I just. 301 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: Feel like it's impossible to like not compare your journey 302 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: with your friends or like coworkers or like anyone that 303 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: you meet. 304 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's just it's really hard. 305 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: And I think especially if you're making a pivot or 306 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: like a transition out of that into like a different 307 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: chapter or a different era, I think it's really hard 308 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: to make that transition like while you're still like in 309 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: the minutia of like a city where people are so 310 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: obsessive about stuff like that. 311 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: Totally agree with you. 312 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I was at the White House yesterday for 313 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: this Women's History Month reception, And it was so interesting 314 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: because there were obviously a lot of people that I 315 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: know are in and out of the administration, and some 316 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: that I don't know. And as friends were introducing me 317 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: to people who were in the admin who I didn't know, 318 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: they definitely started like a little bit of distance and 319 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: like I don't know you, like who are you? And 320 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: then the way that I would validate myself, I was like, oh, 321 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: I was a cat for a long time and they're like, 322 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: oh great, or like they're like maybe I recognize you, 323 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, probably from cable news. 324 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: And they're like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, good to see 325 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: you again. 326 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: But it was so funny, like the dagnal change and 327 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: I saw and I was talking to one person who 328 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: like I didn't know that well, but since I saw her, 329 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: I went over to hello, as I generally do, and 330 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: her demeanor towards me like clearly she gets she's like 331 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: a very high position in the White House, and like 332 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: she clearly gets hit up all the. 333 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Time for things. 334 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: So the first like forty five seconds of our discussion 335 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: were very different than the following minutes. 336 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: Like she at first she was like very guard yeah 337 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: though she recognized me a new made Yeah. 338 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: And then once she realized that I didn't want anything 339 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: from her and I just wanted to like ket its 340 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: yeah catch up. 341 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. She was like, oh I forgot how to 342 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: do this nice. This isn't a transaction. I can like 343 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: be normal. Yeah, yeah, totally. 344 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that is That is I think like 345 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: one of the worst parts about this city. It's just 346 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: like it is so transactional. And you can tell like 347 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: when you're like out of a party or like networking 348 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: or like you can tell immediately like the vibe from 349 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: someone when they're like assessing like what value can I 350 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: gain from you? What can you offer me as like 351 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: a person in your job or whatever. And it is, Yeah, 352 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: it's a little soul sucking sometimes, and it's like it's 353 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: hard to also, I think, like maintain like some authenticity 354 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: yourself because like you like rolled into that event like 355 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: wanting to have a good time, like excited to be there, 356 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 3: and like, you know, when you interact with so many 357 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: people that like are clearly like making like a calculation, 358 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: you know, like it's it's like a kills the vibe 359 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, and especially like when you're 360 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: super young, like you might not be as confident to 361 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: like keep your vibe up when you get that from somebody. 362 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it starts out that way. 363 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like you're at the point where like 364 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: you've got a great life and like you have all 365 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: this stuff going on and you have confidence, and you know, 366 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 3: a bad interaction like that someone is like not going 367 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: to like ruin your day. But like if you would 368 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: have had that conversation, like maybe when you're like twenty two, 369 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: like you probably would have responded different, right, So totally, yeah, 370 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: you know, it. 371 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Was so funny. 372 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: Alison Zelman called me yesterday when I was talking to 373 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: somebody who I didn't know, Like I was talking. 374 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: To Eleman and this other woman who had worked with 375 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: her before it came over. 376 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: So I was just chatting with her and I was like, oh, 377 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: do you live in Washington? And Zelma looked at me 378 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: and she was like, you speak differently, Yeah, you don't 379 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: live here. 380 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: She was like, no, what you would say Washington? 381 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, like people would say, like, do you it that's 382 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: true in a D three And I. 383 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, that's right, Like now that I'm outside DC. 384 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: Community thing, Yeah, I hearder Like last year, I took 385 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: a little bit of a break, as you know, I 386 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: like went away for like three months in between like 387 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: two jobs. And whenever I was thinking about like where 388 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 3: I wanted to take my break, like I was like, oh, 389 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: I could just have a staycation in d C. Or 390 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: like maybe I'll go to New York or California. And 391 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: finally I was like, no, I have to like physically 392 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 3: leave the country because like I need to be like 393 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 3: away from the DC culture and kind of the grind 394 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: of it all. And I will say, like as soon 395 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: as like the plane lifted off taking me from DC 396 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: to Europe, my shoulders like it was the best. 397 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: Anti anxiety medication I've ever taken ever just leave it. 398 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it was like the tension just like relaxed 399 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: from my shoulders. And I tell people now that you 400 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: know I was. I talked to my partner about this 401 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: a lot, Like whenever I get anxious or stressed about stuff, 402 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't think I'll ever fully be able 403 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 3: to relax living in Washington, d C. Yeah, Like there's 404 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: just like so much going on, like it's it's hard 405 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: to break out of that cycle no matter how like 406 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: how confident and kind of like self fulfilled, like how 407 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 3: much purpose you have and like how driven you are. 408 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, one day I'm just moved to 409 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 3: a farm and I'll be healed, or New York a 410 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: certainty place in sag Harbor. 411 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: We welcome you. I mean, I there are so many 412 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: good parts about living here, Like there's. 413 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: Lots of opportunities, there's always stuff to do, and like 414 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 3: for all the like the bad people, there are also 415 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: a lot of great people that you know are so 416 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,239 Speaker 3: smart there. They are so like mission driven and it 417 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: is neat to like be immersed in that. But like 418 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: there's a trade off, right, it's like good and bad. 419 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't say, like why do you 420 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: say it in a judgmental way? You know I've said 421 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 2: you one hundred times. Yeah, I'm so jealous that I 422 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: can't still be in it, Like I miss it. Yeah, 423 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: I miss the pace, I mean and the impact. I 424 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: miss that, like we can actually change a lot of lives. 425 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: We change and we have good laws. 426 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all it's all fun. 427 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: But I mean, like what you're doing is so cool, 428 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: Like I would almost like turn it around opposite, Like 429 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: I feel like you are in this place where like 430 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: you're like meeting all of these different people, You're having 431 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: all of these really interesting conversations and all these interesting gatherings, 432 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: and like also like being able to flex all this 433 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: creative muscle that actually it feels really difficult to do 434 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: in politics. Is like a lot of people work in 435 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: a box here and can get a little formulaic, and 436 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just like you're doing stuff that's 437 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: still like mission driven and fulfilling and meaningful, with just 438 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: like a different lens and like with all these different people. 439 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I feel like the older I get, the. 440 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 3: More I'm appreciative of past chapters of my career and 441 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: also like get a little bit closer to like feeling 442 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: good about while the next chapter could look so different, 443 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: Like your chapter looks so different than what it looks 444 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: like here, but it also feels just as exciting and 445 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: like fulfilling in like a different way. 446 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's like it's cool to think 447 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: about it. 448 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: It's like, Wow, my life might not always look like this, 449 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 3: but like there actually are really exciting ways that it 450 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 3: could look like to not be scared of those differences, right, 451 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: they could be really cool, but I like, you're a 452 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: person I look at that has like done that pivot 453 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: really well, and I feel like it makes people who 454 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: haven't gotten to a pivot like that or gotten to 455 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: like writing their next chapter. 456 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: It like gives a little hope, you know. 457 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, wow, well she did it, and it's 458 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: like looks really cool, and like maybe it's better than 459 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: what I'm doing now. 460 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: You know. 461 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: There definitely is a very formulaic sense of what success 462 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: is in Washington. Like it's what you described before, like 463 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: it's climbing the ladder, it's running an organization, Like you 464 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: did a very clear formula around. 465 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: What success is. 466 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: I mean, it is true, like I got to interview 467 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 2: the Vice president. I wouldn't have gotten to that if 468 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: I was still here. I mean even yesterday at the 469 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: White House reception, they had pointed to the crowd. 470 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: I think it was I think it was the Vice president. 471 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: You said it and it's like all these women here 472 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: who've changed the world and hit the atmosphere. 473 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: Or like something like that, but made it very clear 474 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: that wanted the women in the crowd was an astronaut. 475 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: Oh cool, yeah, oh yeah, that makes more sense, like 476 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: a hemisphere. 477 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: So weird turn of phrase, so metaphorical. 478 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 479 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: I pointed to her and I recognized that she had 480 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: a very specific dress on. 481 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: So I found her in the reception and I was like, 482 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: are you an astronaut? 483 00:20:59,119 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: Yeah? 484 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: And she's like, well, yes I am. And I had 485 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: something to ask her. I was like, can I interview you? 486 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 487 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: So I got her card and now I'm going to 488 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: follow up an interview her. Cool. 489 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if she's a pivot or not, but 490 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: it feels definitely worth an interview. 491 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: But like before I. 492 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: Would live in atlants like there, it is pivoted out 493 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 3: of one atmospheric like situation to the next, the literal earth. 494 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, wow, that is that's intense, But that was cool, 495 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 3: like it is, it's more creative, like I had something 496 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: to ask her, like I had something to connect with 497 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: her on. 498 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 499 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: And I think sometimes I probe people in an unappealing 500 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: way in social settings, like maybe ask too many questions, 501 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: and now it's an appropriate setting. 502 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, ask too many personal questions. Yeah, oh that's funny. 503 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: That's funny. 504 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I guess like having a podcast in 505 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: an interview setup like is a natural way to be 506 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 3: very direct yeah, versus like, you know, seeing someone at 507 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: a party and being like, are you an astronaut? 508 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: Tell me the twelve steps that got you there? Yeah, 509 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: I'd love to know. Yeah, what did you major in college? Yeah? Yeah, 510 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: tell me about your parents. 511 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: I guess like an interview setting does feel like natural 512 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 3: for that, right, and someone might prep for those types 513 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: of questions beforehand, But I. 514 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: Didn't want to go into that cocktail astronaut conversation cold. 515 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: I was like, Yea, I'm unprepared for this moment. I 516 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: have a lot of questions, but I don't necessarily know 517 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: what they are. That's so funny. 518 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes like I'll be like I feel 519 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: like I'm kind of similar. I'll be like at a 520 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: happy hour or something. I have this like happy hour 521 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 3: that I do with my friends like every Tuesday, and 522 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 3: sometimes I'll just be like we we like talk about work, 523 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 3: and like all of a sudden, like, why don't you 524 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: just like switch it up, like tell me about your trauma? 525 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: You know. 526 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 3: I Like, I feel like the girls that regularly go 527 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: are just like, yeah, yeah, let's like let's okay, We've 528 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 3: got a list of traumas. Let's just like talk through them. 529 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: We've got like, you know, drinks and whatnot. But every 530 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: now and then we'll have like a guest, right that 531 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: doesn't always come. And it's like, okay, like all right, 532 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 3: so what is your trauma person that just like came here? 533 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, I'm not too common. I like, 534 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: is this a cocktail party? 535 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's like keep the vibes light. I'm like, oh 536 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 3: this is light, Like this is okay. Let's just let's 537 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: just make this deeper than just your normal interaction that. 538 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: Makes you so incredibly well prepared to have young children 539 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: and meet friends through that, because that's basically what the 540 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: conversations are like. 541 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: And there's no conversation transitions. 542 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: Because at any moment, like anyone could be pulling you, 543 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: yelling on you, pulling at you. So you're like, let's 544 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: just have half a conversation here about why my perspective 545 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: has led me to overly analyze this part of my 546 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 2: child and beat myself up about it, and let's go 547 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: right into what did we make them for? 548 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: Like pack them for lunch? Like those transitions become very fast. 549 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, half a conversation on each Okay, that makes me 550 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: feel good, That makes me feel Yeah, I like to 551 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: be prepared for anything that a piece you didn't know 552 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: you were preparing for. But does the fact that we 553 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: have gone through all of these phases in tandem, like 554 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: somewhat together, like in tandem? But I am like the 555 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: having children step head yeah, and then three three three 556 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: two right forehead yeah, and then I couldn't keep up 557 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: like the very clear shared political goal that we had 558 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: both had in our careers. 559 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: Does it scare you? Or how much does it scare you? 560 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be honest, I actually feel like what 561 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 3: And I'm not even saying it's to like puff you 562 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: up or whatever, But I do feel like watching you 563 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: do the next thing has made me less scared. Like 564 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: I feel like there was a time in my life 565 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: where it made me very nervous to think about not 566 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: being in this right like not being like in DC 567 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: in the grind, like constantly hustling. 568 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: For like the next big thing. 569 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 3: And I do feel like as I've gotten older and 570 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: I've watched other people make transitions that feel super exciting 571 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: and like feel like, wow, that that looks really cool, 572 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: I feel like I've gotten into this mindset of just 573 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: like you should just think about like the next things 574 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: in your life. It's like if something feels exciting and 575 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: feels like you're growing, like you should do it. And 576 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: like if it doesn't feel exciting or if it doesn't 577 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: feel so like you're growing, like you should not do it. 578 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 3: And also like never do anything that doesn't make you happy. 579 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: And that has been like almost it feels really simple, 580 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: but it's actually been like a really nice north star 581 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: over the past few years because like it has gotten 582 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: me a little bit away from like am I doing 583 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: am I taking like a career trajectory because it makes 584 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: me happy and it feels exciting and it feels like 585 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: I'm growing or that like there's a formula in my 586 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: mind that feels like I need to hit. And like 587 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 3: it's actually been really interesting to like reconcile those two things. 588 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: Is this just a ladder then I'm climbing like kind 589 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: of mindlessly or is this something that actually is fulfilling? 590 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 3: And you know, I think that has been kind of 591 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: an interesting like realization over the last few years. But 592 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: it is helpful to see other people like successfully pivot 593 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 3: and like write new chapters that are equally fulfilling and 594 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: equally interesting and to know that like you can do 595 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 3: something different and like not only be okay, but actually 596 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 3: maybe even be happier than you were before. 597 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I feel like I could only 598 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: get to it by having a rock bottom. 599 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: So I don't hope that for you. Do you feel 600 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: like where was your rock bottom? 601 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: It was drawing a lockdown and like the and sort 602 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: of up until the presidential like in twenty twenty. Interesting 603 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: because I had had this idea going into twenty twenty 604 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: that I was going to have the third baby in February. 605 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: I knew what eternity leave looked like, and I was 606 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: going to consult. I was going to have fine position 607 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: myself to either consult directly for the presidential or something 608 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: around it, and that was going to be the way 609 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: that I stayed involved in politics, and I was going 610 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: to keep myself relevant that I could be in the mix. 611 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: For, you know, whatever the next ladder was. 612 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 2: And I just couldn't do it, Like all of that 613 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: was predicated on the idea that I would have child 614 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: care and the structure around me, and because it all disappeared, 615 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: I couldn't even keep my head on, Like I was 616 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: breastfeeding and my milk dried up from stress, like it 617 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: was it just it all like everything fell apart, and 618 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: I kept being like, okay, I'll just do you know, 619 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: like I'll bandy this one last thing with this all 620 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: bandied this with thing. 621 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: And then I realized it was no band dating left. 622 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: It was all gone. And then I finally got one. 623 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: Serious gootv end of the election contract and I was 624 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: executing for the last two weeks of the election. 625 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: Is remember this pre vaccine and our nanny. 626 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: What we had been doing for child's care, is that 627 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: our nanny had been coming to stay with us for 628 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: like that fourteen days on and off. And as she 629 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: had been with because that was what people thought was 630 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: the length that you could. 631 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So as. 632 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 2: She'd been with us for four days, then she started 633 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: to feel a little sick, got a COVID test, she 634 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 2: had COVID. 635 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 1: She went home, but she had already been with us 636 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: for four days. 637 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: So we were in like full lockdown quarantine with all 638 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: three kids, couldn't see another person. And like that last 639 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: presidential contract disappeared like I couldn't do it. It was just 640 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: it was like, all right, well this is the end. Yeah, 641 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: And actually you know what I did at that point 642 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 2: is I spent all of my time going around pitching 643 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: women's magazines that I had had some some I had 644 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: had a connection to, so I had none saying, Hey, 645 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: the election's not going to be decided on election Day, 646 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: and you guys are going to need somebody to be able. 647 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: To explain to your listeners what's going to happen or 648 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: your readers. Yeah, what's going to happen? I think you 649 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: should bring me on. Yeah, And nobody wanted to bring me. 650 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: On, and even Marie Claire, but it least opened the 651 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: door for me to have a conversation with them. So 652 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: when I had the non political idea to do sheep Pivots, 653 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: we had already had. 654 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: Some dialogue and been able to go back. 655 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: Sure, but my dream had been to decipher this for 656 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: a women's magazine, and nobody wanted to bring me on 657 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: for it. So I was like, well, I came up 658 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: with the perfect compromise and nobody wants it. 659 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, God, that sounds awful. How do you think you 660 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: came out of it as you were like in the 661 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 3: rock bottom? Like, when is the time that you felt 662 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: like you started to see light out at the end 663 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: of it? 664 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean I still struggle, Yeah, because I. 665 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: Still struggle with my physical limitations, like my bandwidth and 666 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: energy is just literally. 667 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: Sucked by my children. 668 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure right now my whole body is 669 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: itchy with a recurring Rosetia virus that I have, oh Jesus, 670 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: which is. 671 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: Also ing my bandwidth. So I still struggle with that. 672 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: But you don't look itchy at all. Oh it feels 673 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: a little itchy and yeah, yeah, no, like if I 674 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: would just looked at you, I wouldn't even thought. I 675 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't even thought that you were going to itch somewhere. 676 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: Oh you know, Okay, I'm better at masking it. But 677 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: I think it started to become real. 678 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: I think when Marie Claire said yes, I think that 679 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: was the beginning of it starting to feel real and 680 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: starting to find a new rhythm. 681 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: Like the shape of its. 682 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: Format is very different than what your political playlist had been. 683 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I feel like there's little validators 684 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: that come, you know, releasing our first season was a validator, 685 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: like being in a real studio. I'd be like, oh, 686 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: your hair for this podcast, Like interviewing the vice president, 687 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah that felt cool. That was a huge validator. Yeah, 688 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: But so I think that I get like pieces of 689 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: validation that it feels real, but like the daily balance 690 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: with my kids can sometimes feel so chaotic that I 691 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: feel like I'm not putting enough energy into building building 692 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: the show and building the community, and also not enough 693 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: into my children. Yeah, so then it's hard to totally 694 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, I nailed it. 695 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's. 696 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 3: The stuff that scares me about having kids, the feeling 697 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: of like there's never enough time or just not feeling 698 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: like you can do it all right, because like, I mean, 699 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: I don't feel like I can do it all and 700 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: I have kids. I have like two dogs and like 701 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 3: they don't need anything like kids be and a garden 702 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: and yeah, and a garden which you know, like if 703 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 3: I like don't water it for a week, like and 704 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: it does, Like I mean that's different than like, you know, 705 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: not meeting expectations as a parent. That's that's sometimes like 706 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: that because I feel like a lot of my people 707 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: I know with children, like especially women, like really struggle 708 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: with like that balance. And I don't know that I've 709 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: ever like talked to someone that's just like, yeah, I 710 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: absolutely nailed it, Like I have the perfect formula. I'm 711 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: gonna sell this shit on QBC and and it's going 712 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: to be great. Like I've never heard someone say that. 713 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: It just always feels challenging and like a daily balance, 714 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: and you know that you can never like totally take 715 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: your eye off the ball because like something goes a wire. 716 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: And yeah, it just seems really hard. 717 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 718 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: I hope that you figure out the formula before I 719 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 3: have kids, you know, so you know what. 720 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: I actually just had a memory of doing in the 721 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: four months that I lived in Manhattan. 722 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: The first live podcast I ever. 723 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: Did was interviewing you as a political strategist in front 724 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: of a live audience. 725 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: Oh do you remember that? I do remember that. 726 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 3: It was like ninety second Street or something like that. 727 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: I don't remember something like that. 728 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: But it was also right when my son was starting 729 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: his first preschool program and I've gone in for the 730 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: orientation and they said, where is your photo book? 731 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: Where are your pictures of your family? And where is 732 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: your box? And I was like, what are you talking about? 733 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: As a box? What the book is a box? 734 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: I broke down hysterically crying in the meeting with the teacher, 735 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: and I was like, I am so unprepared for this. 736 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: And then I went to go meet you and I 737 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: couldn't stop crying. Yeah, and you. 738 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: Said, we're not going to prepare for this interview right now, 739 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: let's go buy supplies made, and. 740 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: We made his book. Couldn't find you made his photo books. 741 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: I remember that. That was God, that was funny. It 742 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: was a fun little craft. We had a nice little craft. 743 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: You know. 744 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't start crying, but sure we made beautiful craft. 745 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 746 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: Crafts can be emotional. They elicit things. 747 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, that's so funny. But you know, also 748 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 3: on the inswell you made the box. We did the 749 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: interview and it was great. 750 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: It was great. 751 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great episode. It was That was 752 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: a really fun live event too. 753 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: That wasn't fun. 754 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, crowd, that was really fun. 755 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 3: I think that might have been like my first like 756 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 3: live podcast like interview ever. 757 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: Me too, I think I don't know. I think it 758 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: was maybe. 759 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at us, Look at us breaking barriers and 760 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: doing crafts simultaneously. Now we're recording in a hotel room. Yeah, 761 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: I really fancy No tears yet, not over yet, it's 762 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 3: still early in the day. 763 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: Oh, that's so funny. 764 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: What do you feel like you still need to do 765 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: in politics? 766 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: Oh? Interesting? I don't know. 767 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: That there's anything that like I like a single thing 768 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: that I'm just like, oh, I have to check this box, right, 769 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: Like I think I definitely felt like that during my twenties. 770 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, I'd really like to manage a campaign, 771 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 3: I'd really like to be an executive director of an organization, 772 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 3: and I've feel got to do a lot of those things. 773 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 3: And so it's actually sometimes it feels a little bit 774 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: weird that like there's not like that exact title or 775 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: that exact organization that I'm just like, I have to 776 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: do this then I'll feel done. But in other ways, 777 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 3: it's like kind of freeing because it's like it makes 778 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 3: me more open to doing different types of stuff. 779 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's a single thing. 780 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: I think like what I'm excited about next and want 781 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 3: to do next is like something that like feels like 782 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 3: really big and socially impactful, you know, whether that's in 783 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: like partisan politics, whether that's like at a private company, 784 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 3: or like I'm kind of interested in like the next 785 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 3: layer of like impact, you know, because I think I 786 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 3: thought for so long impact just meets politics, yeah, right, 787 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: And the world of impact and social impact is like 788 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 3: so much bigger than that, so I'm like kind of 789 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 3: excited to like see what comes next. 790 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know if there's a single thing 791 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: to be so accomplished so young. I've met all of 792 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: your goals. 793 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 3: But but on the other hand, I will say, like, 794 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 3: you know, something I reflect back on is like, when 795 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 3: I met some of those goals, I wasn't always like 796 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 3: that happy, you know, And that actually made me like 797 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 3: think a little bit differently about having like such a 798 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 3: single track minded towards like Plan A or Plan B. 799 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 3: Because a couple of times when I like met those 800 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 3: goals and like, wow, I've been working my entire life 801 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: to get this title at this organization and be in 802 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: charge of these things. And I remember talking to like 803 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: some mentors afterwards and be like, I worked so hard 804 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 3: to get this. 805 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: I hate it. 806 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: Like I'm so unhappy. I thought I would really like 807 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 3: this and I didn't. And so like, honestly, those like 808 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: experiences have like helps me be a little bit more open. 809 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, these things that you think 810 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 3: you want for so long, like sometimes they're a little 811 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 3: bit different than you think they might be, and so 812 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 3: having an open mind like hopefully will serve me well 813 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 3: in the Future. 814 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: The Nightmare of managing Hannah just kidding, just kidding you, 815 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: Tory Taylor, political strategist wonder Can extraordinaire. 816 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us older wonder Can now thank 817 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: you for having me. 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