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<v Speaker 1>listen to podcast It was when I was eight years

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<v Speaker 1>old growing up in Selma, when my life was changing

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<v Speaker 1>without me even Norman. My name is Cheyenne Webb christ Burd.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little eight year old girl growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in George, Washington, Carbo projects. It was rough. Both my

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<v Speaker 1>parents worked in the factories to feed us, to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of us the best way that they knew allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll never forget the day that I met Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Martin the King Jr. As I would know him to do,

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<v Speaker 1>I would always have to walk past now the historic

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<v Speaker 1>browns Appolaamily Church. In nineteen sixty four, Martin Luther King, Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>And his civil rights organization, the Southern Christian Leadership Council,

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<v Speaker 1>came to Selma, Alabama to start a voter registration campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>and little eight year old Cheyenne was immediately swept up.

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<v Speaker 1>He told us, I want to see you children before

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<v Speaker 1>I leave, because I'm coming back to sell to start

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<v Speaker 1>a movement. But I became very disobedient as that little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents just couldn't do anything with me. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want me to be a part of anything that reflected

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<v Speaker 1>being a part of that movement. Despite her parents misgivings,

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<v Speaker 1>Cheyenne began sneaking out of the house to attend community

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<v Speaker 1>organization meetings that were being held at the church. It

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<v Speaker 1>was at those meetings that she was exposed to the

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<v Speaker 1>ministry and principles of Martin Luther King. Dr King would

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Afican Americans who didn't have the right

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<v Speaker 1>to vote, and he started talking about a march that

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<v Speaker 1>would be taking place and sell my Alabama for African

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<v Speaker 1>Americans to gain their right to vote. I'm Katie Couric

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Turnout this week. We're exploring how America's

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<v Speaker 1>fight for voting rights is wrapped up in the ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>struggle for racial justice. And all I remember is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to explain to my parents about what Dr King was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. And I asked them that they have the

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<v Speaker 1>right to vote, And of course my dad didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about it. He told me, no, black

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<v Speaker 1>folks couldn't vote. But why not? After all, when the

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteenth Amendment was ratified in eighteen seventy, it guaranteed that

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<v Speaker 1>the right to vote could no longer be denied based

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<v Speaker 1>on race, color, or previous condition of servitude. So why

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<v Speaker 1>did so many black people not vote before the nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>You may remember from our last episode that author Gilded

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<v Speaker 1>Daniels asked her grandmother that very same question, why didn't

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<v Speaker 1>she vote before the nineteen sixties, and got the same answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Black people didn't vote because they could lose their land,

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<v Speaker 1>they could lose their lives. It was not because they

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<v Speaker 1>did not want to vote. It's because of all these

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<v Speaker 1>mechanisms they were put in place to certainly prevent them

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<v Speaker 1>from doing so. To understand why black people couldn't vote,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to go back about one hundred years to Reconstruction,

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<v Speaker 1>when the country was trying to knit itself back together,

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<v Speaker 1>reintegrating the Confederate States as well as four million formally

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved people into the United States. It was a turbulent time,

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<v Speaker 1>to say the least. After the Civil War, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a period where the violence was so intense against African Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just this unmitigated rage that they had the

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<v Speaker 1>audacity now to not be property. Dr Carol Anderson is

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<v Speaker 1>an African American studies professor at Emory University an author

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<v Speaker 1>of One Person, No Vote, How voter suppression is destroying

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<v Speaker 1>our democracy? And we had a president Andrew Johnson, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was horrifically racist and shortsighted. And he was fine

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<v Speaker 1>with what Harvard law professor Annette Gordon Reid called the

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<v Speaker 1>slow motion genocide that was happening to black people in

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<v Speaker 1>the South. Well, the radical Republicans, and I love that term.

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<v Speaker 1>We had radical Republicans. The radical Republicans in Congress looked

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<v Speaker 1>up at what Johnson had done and just said not today.

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<v Speaker 1>It may seem a little strange given today's politics, but

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Johnson was a Democrat. Radical Republicans believed blacks were

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<v Speaker 1>entitled to the same political and opportunities as whites. What

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<v Speaker 1>also made them radical was that they wanted the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government to do something about it, to directly intervene in

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<v Speaker 1>the state's affairs to help get the country and all

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<v Speaker 1>of its people to a more perfect union. There was

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six that dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with citizenship to make it clear that black people were citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was the Reconstruction Act of eighteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>All men twenty one years and over will be registered

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<v Speaker 1>to vote. That meant that black men would be registered

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<v Speaker 1>to vote. Oh. Then the radical Republicans were concerned that

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<v Speaker 1>if they just had these laws at some point there

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<v Speaker 1>may be a shift in the balance in Congress, and

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to make sure that the rights of all

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<v Speaker 1>American citizens were protected. And that wasn't going to have

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<v Speaker 1>and with just a law that could be easily overridden.

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<v Speaker 1>So they embedded it in the US Constitution. The fourteenth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment dealt with birthright citizenship. If you're born here, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a citizen. Wow. Then came the Fifteenth Amendment in eighteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>The fifteenth Amendment said the United States nor the States

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<v Speaker 1>shall abridge the right to vote on account of race, color,

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<v Speaker 1>or previous condition of servitude. One of the other things

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<v Speaker 1>that they did is they passed the Enforcement Act. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the third Enforcement Act of eighteen seventy one. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the ku Klux Klan was reigning down massive domestic terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>on black people who were trying to vote, and the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government did not have the full authority it felt

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<v Speaker 1>to go in there and stop them. The Enforcement Act

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<v Speaker 1>was to in domestic terrorism and to pretend heck, African

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<v Speaker 1>Americans right to vote. So this is just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like boo bool bool. The radical Republicans were building

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<v Speaker 1>the House of Democracy. What happened next was a period,

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<v Speaker 1>a very brief period in the eighteen seventies of political

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<v Speaker 1>prosperity for blacks in America. In the South, more than

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<v Speaker 1>half a million black men became voters in several states,

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<v Speaker 1>including Mississippi. Black people were the majority of the population,

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<v Speaker 1>and during that decade, Mississippi actually sent two black senators

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<v Speaker 1>to Washington. But then came the backlash. The white state

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<v Speaker 1>legislators looked up in Mississippi said oh, well, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>have this, and so they come up with the Mississippi Plan.

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<v Speaker 1>And what the Mississippi Plan does is it says, how

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<v Speaker 1>do we stop black people from voting without writing a

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<v Speaker 1>law that explicitly says, we don't want black people devunt ah,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to couch it in the language of democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>protecting the integrity of the ballot box, ensuring that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no corruption in our elections. But what it does is

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<v Speaker 1>it uses the society imposed conditions on African Americans and

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<v Speaker 1>makes those conditions the access to the ballot box. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, the poll tax, the poll tax couched in

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<v Speaker 1>this language says democracy is expensive, and so if you

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<v Speaker 1>really believed in democracy, you would be willing to pay

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<v Speaker 1>a small fee in order to ensure that this democracy

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<v Speaker 1>runs smoothly. So what you see there is this language

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<v Speaker 1>that flips the responsibility of free and fair elections off

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<v Speaker 1>of the state and onto the individual. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>wickedly evil rhetorical device and also very effective. And what

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<v Speaker 1>it does is it makes it seem like the poll

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<v Speaker 1>tax is nominal. How hard is it to pay just

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<v Speaker 1>this little fee. Well, after you have had centuries of

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<v Speaker 1>unpaid labor because of slavery centuries, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>had the Black codes coming out of the Civil War,

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<v Speaker 1>which reimposed slavery by another name, and then after that

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<v Speaker 1>you have share cropping, systemic endemic, societally imposed poverty rained

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<v Speaker 1>down on that black community, so that the poll tax

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<v Speaker 1>actually required between two to six percent of a Mississippi

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<v Speaker 1>farm famili's annual income. Imagine paying two to six percent

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<v Speaker 1>of your annual income to vote. Then there's the literacy test,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have killed the enslaved who dare learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to read to then require the reading of a complicated

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<v Speaker 1>legal text in order to be able to vote. In

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the poll tax

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<v Speaker 1>and the literacy test did not violate the Fifteenth Amendment

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody had to pay the poll tax and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>had to read, so how could this be racially discriminatory.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, you saw a number of states revised their

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<v Speaker 1>state constitutions to include the Mississippi Plans disfranchisement policies in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And the result was that by the time we get

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<v Speaker 1>to nineteen forty, only three percent of age eligible African

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<v Speaker 1>Americans in the South are registered to vote three percent.

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<v Speaker 1>The Second World War has already started, and we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a democracy that is so warped, is so gnarrowed

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, where of black eligible voters have

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<v Speaker 1>been blocked from the ballot box in the South, and

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of African Americans lived in the South. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time we get to Selma in Dallas County, where

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<v Speaker 1>Selma is only point nine percent of African Americans age

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<v Speaker 1>eligible African Americans were registered to vote point nine percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Congress passes the most sweeping civil rights bill ever to

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<v Speaker 1>be written into the law unless we affirms the conception

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<v Speaker 1>of equal In nineteen sixty four, President Lyndon B. Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>signed the Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights Act is

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge to all of us to go to work

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<v Speaker 1>in our communities and our states, in our harms and

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<v Speaker 1>in our hearts, to eliminate the last vestiges of injustice

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<v Speaker 1>in our beloved country. It was a landmark piece of legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>It banned segregation in public places and discrimination in the workplace,

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<v Speaker 1>but with racism running deep. Just listen to Alabama Governor

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<v Speaker 1>George Wallace in nineteen sixty three, there was so much

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't do to ensure blacks had the to vote

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<v Speaker 1>which brings us back to Selma and Cheyenne. I'm Shyenne

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<v Speaker 1>web christ Burg. Dr Martin Luther King's smallest freedom fighter

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<v Speaker 1>and Dr King's voter registration campaign. Beginning in January nine,

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<v Speaker 1>freedom fighters staged non violent demonstrations in Selma to push

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<v Speaker 1>for another piece of legislation guaranteeing all Black Americans the

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<v Speaker 1>right to vote. As I continue to participate in the movement,

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<v Speaker 1>where many other freedom fighters would come from other places

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<v Speaker 1>of the states to join that movement to change things

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<v Speaker 1>into helping fighting for the right to vote, and I

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<v Speaker 1>started bringing them to my home and asking my parents

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<v Speaker 1>could they live with us and stay with us, and

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<v Speaker 1>soon they would be living in our homes. But I

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<v Speaker 1>level forget what was the most traumatic experience of my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the Bloody Sun to March. The march

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<v Speaker 1>was meant to be a big push by organizers to

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<v Speaker 1>register black voters across Alabama and to attract national press coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>The plan was to walk peacefully from Selma to the

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<v Speaker 1>state capital of Montgomery, fifty four miles. Many threats have

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<v Speaker 1>been made about the possibilities of what would happen to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who would participate on that particular march, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget my parents talking to me the night before

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<v Speaker 1>and telling me that something could possibly happen to me

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<v Speaker 1>if I participated in that march. Governor Wallace ordered the

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<v Speaker 1>Highway Patrol chief to use quote whatever measure necessary to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent the march from happening. Organizers, including the late Congressman

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<v Speaker 1>John Lewis and jose A Williams, decided to proceed anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>On Sunday, March seven, at around noon, six hundred protesters,

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<v Speaker 1>walking in two lines, left the Brown Chapel Amy Church

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<v Speaker 1>and headed for the Edmund Pettis Bridge. Tucked into that

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<v Speaker 1>group of freedom fighters I'll never forget was young Cheyenne.

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<v Speaker 1>The special instructions that were given by Congressman John Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked that all marches walk quietly, keep their heads

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<v Speaker 1>straight and forward, and regardless of what happened, everyone would

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<v Speaker 1>be none wound. At the base of the bridge, the

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<v Speaker 1>marchers were met by one hundred and fifty Alabama State

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<v Speaker 1>troopers and sheriff deputies. A state trooper made this announcement

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<v Speaker 1>over a bullhorn, I'll go you. The marchers did not disperse,

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<v Speaker 1>They did not go home or back to their church.

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<v Speaker 1>They stood still, and I remember vividly as I looked down,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a seal. I saw hundreds of police

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<v Speaker 1>were with tear gas, masks, billy clothes to say, troops

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<v Speaker 1>on horses. I saw the dogs, and my heart had

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<v Speaker 1>begun to rumble and beat fast. I just knew, as

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<v Speaker 1>that little girl, that something was gonna happen for there.

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<v Speaker 1>The troopers advanced slowly at first, but then picking up

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<v Speaker 1>speed until they plowed right through the merchers, knocking them down.

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<v Speaker 1>Racism unleashed its brutality of policy. Tear gas have begun

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<v Speaker 1>to burst in the air, and tear gas is a strong,

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<v Speaker 1>burning sensation where you can't hardly see your way, And

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<v Speaker 1>as people have begun to run, people were being beaten

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<v Speaker 1>down with billy clubs. The dogs and the horses were

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<v Speaker 1>pushing their way into the crowd and trampling people over

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<v Speaker 1>as if they weren't human leadings. You can see people crawling, falling, crying, bleeding,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course my eyes were burning and I was running,

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<v Speaker 1>like many others, trying to make my way home. I

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<v Speaker 1>was very frightened, trembling and really not knowing what to

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<v Speaker 1>do except to get home. And as I was running out.

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<v Speaker 1>I could still see the horses, the dogs still trampling

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<v Speaker 1>over people as they were trying to make their way

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<v Speaker 1>back to Brown's Chapter church. And as I was running,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget the late Josean Williams picking me up,

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<v Speaker 1>and my little legs were still galloping in his arms.

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<v Speaker 1>My eyes were burning. I couldn't hardly see. And I

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<v Speaker 1>turned to him and I said to him, in my

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<v Speaker 1>own childish voice, put me down, because you I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>running fast. And that picture of bloody Sunday has never

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<v Speaker 1>left my heart. By my man. The events of that

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday afternoon were captured by newscasters and journalists, and that night,

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday Night Movie Will present Stanley Kramer's Academy Award winning

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<v Speaker 1>Motion Picture Judgment at Nuremberg. Forty eight million people were

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<v Speaker 1>watching ABC's broadcast of the star studded movie Judgment at Nuremberg,

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<v Speaker 1>about the trials that took place in Germany following the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 1>And here in our decision, this is what we stand for, justice,

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<v Speaker 1>true and the value of a single human being. But

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<v Speaker 1>the network interrupted the movie to report on what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in some of that day. We interrupt this program to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you a special report from ABC News. In the

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<v Speaker 1>days and weeks that followed, public support for the protesters surged,

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<v Speaker 1>and a federal judge ruled in favor of the marchers.

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<v Speaker 1>They told us we wouldn't get here. Fourteen days after

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<v Speaker 1>bloody Sunday, olds who said that we would get here

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<v Speaker 1>only over that dead body, Martin Luther King Jr. Successfully

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<v Speaker 1>Led thousands of demonstrators across the Edmund Pettis Bridge and

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<v Speaker 1>onto Montgomery. All the world today knows that we are here,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are standing before the forces of power in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Alabama saying we ain't gonna let nobody

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<v Speaker 1>turn us arid. And because America could not unsee the

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<v Speaker 1>horrors of that bloody Sunday last March, with the outrage

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<v Speaker 1>of Solomon still Fration, legislators were motivated to do something

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<v Speaker 1>about it and asked the Congress and the people for

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<v Speaker 1>swift and for sweeping action to guarantee to every man

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<v Speaker 1>and woman the right to vote. The bill passed the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate by an overwhelming majority, seven to nineteen. Thus, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a victory for the freedom of the American and

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<v Speaker 1>my parents, but it is also a victory for the

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of the American nation became registered votes and every

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<v Speaker 1>family across this great, entire searching land, and when they

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<v Speaker 1>went to vote, they lived stronger in liberty. They took

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<v Speaker 1>me with That was one of the most prouder to

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<v Speaker 1>be American, happiest momentous feeling and laws for me that

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever had, the Act that you have passed that

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<v Speaker 1>I will sign today. On August six nine, President Lyndon B.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act into law. To understand

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<v Speaker 1>how important that law has become in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>this country, author Gilda Daniel says, you can simply look

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<v Speaker 1>to how presidents have described it. President Ronald Reagan called

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<v Speaker 1>it a crown jewel. Lyndon Baines Johnson said that it

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<v Speaker 1>was monumental, and it was monumental. Indeed, when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about the power of the Voting Rights Act, you do

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<v Speaker 1>think about the ability to elect representatives right for people

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<v Speaker 1>who can represent you and represent your viewpoints. And and

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>even President Barack Obama attributed the Voting Rights Act to

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<v Speaker 1>his success because of campaigns like this, essentially said that

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<v Speaker 1>he would not have been possible the Voting Rights Act

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<v Speaker 1>was passed. There was that a Voting Rights Act of

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<v Speaker 1>political and economic and social barriers came down, and the

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<v Speaker 1>change these men and women wrought is visible here today

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<v Speaker 1>in the presence of African Americans who run boardrooms, who

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<v Speaker 1>sit on the bench, who serve in elected office, from

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<v Speaker 1>small towns to big cities, from the Congressional Black Caucus,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to the old Office because of what

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<v Speaker 1>they did. But in two thousand and thirteen, the Voting

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<v Speaker 1>Rights Act of nineteen sixty five faced a major setback

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<v Speaker 1>when the Supreme Court ruled that the Voting Rights Act

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<v Speaker 1>had essentially served its purpose and significantly weakened it. That

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<v Speaker 1>led states to implement their own laws. For example, within

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours of the Supreme Court decision, Texas announced

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<v Speaker 1>it would put in place a strict voter I D law.

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<v Speaker 1>In oral arguments, we space voting discrimination still exists. No

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<v Speaker 1>one doubts that the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg led

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<v Speaker 1>the descent the great man who led the march from

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<v Speaker 1>Selma to Montgomery. In her argument, she echoed the words

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<v Speaker 1>of Martin Luther King Jr. Who in nineteen seven presciently

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<v Speaker 1>said the road ahead would not always be smooth. The

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<v Speaker 1>ak of the moral universe is long, he said, But

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<v Speaker 1>it bends towards justice. If there is a steadfast commitment

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<v Speaker 1>to see the task through two completion. That commitment has

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at all of these issues together, you

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<v Speaker 1>see the system. This is a system of discrimination. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>author and law professor Gilded Daniels. It takes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>different names. In the nineteen hundreds we called it a

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<v Speaker 1>poll tax, and the day we called it voter I

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<v Speaker 1>d or it would used to be a literacy test.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's proof of citizenship. So you might have called

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<v Speaker 1>the different things, but it still has the same impact.

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<v Speaker 1>It still has the same effect, and that is that

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<v Speaker 1>it disproportionately disenfranchises people of color. A big part of

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<v Speaker 1>that system of discrimination, our felony disenfranchise meant laws which

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<v Speaker 1>bar people from voting because of prior criminal convictions, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are some alarming stats that show the racial disparities

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<v Speaker 1>of those laws. In two thousand nineteen, the Sentencing Project

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<v Speaker 1>reported that Black Americans who are old enough to vote

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<v Speaker 1>are more than four times as likely to lose their

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<v Speaker 1>voting rights than the rest of the adult population. In

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<v Speaker 1>some states, one in five black adults is disenfranchised. All told,

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<v Speaker 1>there are about two point two million Black Americans who

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<v Speaker 1>are banned from voting because of past convictions. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to address you, Katie? Really? Okay, alright, no, no, Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people fighting to right, that wrong. The loss

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<v Speaker 1>of civil rights is not something that's highlighted doing fleet

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<v Speaker 1>bargain right. At the end of the day, what you're

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about is how much time you will or will

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<v Speaker 1>not have to do how soon you can get out

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<v Speaker 1>of President Desmond Mead is the president and executive director

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<v Speaker 1>of the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition, which is dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>ending the disenfranchisement and discrimination of people who have been incarcerated,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as return citizens. I remember a priest many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago said that a person is caught for committing

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<v Speaker 1>a crime, he's convicted, sentenced to prison, who serves this

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<v Speaker 1>time In the minute he walked out of the prison gates,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when his real sentence starts. Now. The reason I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to Desmond is that in two thousand eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he was instrumental in passing Amendment four, amendment to Florida's Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>the amendment that will restore voting rights to one point

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<v Speaker 1>five million people who already paid their debt to society

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<v Speaker 1>and had felony records. That passed, So whatever happens tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>that amendment is going to be hugely important. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an extraordinary achievement personally and professionally because he is also

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<v Speaker 1>a return citizen. As a young man, Desmond was convicted

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<v Speaker 1>on drug charges and spent time in prison for possession

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<v Speaker 1>of a firearm. But his lowest point when he was released,

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<v Speaker 1>I was standing in front of railroad tracks in South Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on a train that comes I can jump in

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<v Speaker 1>front of it. That day that I stood there, I

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<v Speaker 1>was a broken man. I mean, I was homeless, I

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<v Speaker 1>was addicted to drugs, recently released from prison, unemployed, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>own anything but the clothes on my back, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see a light at the end of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But own had other plans and that train didn't come,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I crossed those tracks and I walked about

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of blocks further and I checked myself into

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<v Speaker 1>drug treatment. Desmond was able to turn his life around.

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<v Speaker 1>He went back to school and did so well. He

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<v Speaker 1>eventually earned a law degree. Yes, and so the add

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<v Speaker 1>to that what you said, I'm also a first time author, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wrote my book let My People Vote, that

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>actually talks about the journey. Congratulations, Desmond, that's quite an

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>inspiring story. When did you realize that you were not

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>considered a full citizen by the state of Florida in

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the summer of two thousand and six. It was the

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>first time I realized it because I was introduced to

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>for the Rights Restoration Coalition, and that's when I first

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>learned about the loss of civil rights. It started taking

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a more prominence when I was in law school and

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and and and really discovered that even though I was

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>able to overcome so many obstacles, even though I was

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>doing well in law school and I would eventually graduate

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>with my law degree, uh, the Florida Bar would not

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>even allow me to sit for the exam until my

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>civil rights have been restored. And then I guess the

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 1>final blow that was like a punch to the gut

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>was in twenty sixteen when my wife Sena ran for office.

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>She wanted to uh become a state representative for Florida.

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>And in the middle of her campaign, someone approached me

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and said that Desmond, I know that you're excited about

0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>being able to vote for your wife, and it like

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>it was like a blow to my gut. Reminded me, wow,

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>does I live in Florida. I can't even vote for

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>my own wife, you know, forget the fact that presidents

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>in Puerto Rico were able to vote. Forget about the

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>fact that in Maine of Vermont, you know, presidents are

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 1>able to vote, and throughout this country in Georgia and Texas,

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>uh that people are able to vote after they've served

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>their time. Because I lived in Florida, I wasn't even

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 1>allowed to vote for my own wife. What were the

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:32.439
<v Speaker 1>rules that were in place that we're disenfranchising all these people? Well,

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you, um, prior to Amendment, for anyone

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>convicted of any felony offense lost the right to vote

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>for life, lost all of their civil rights. Now, let

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>me tell you in Florida, that means that if you're

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>driving with a suspended license, you can lose the right

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to vote for life. If you burn a tire in public,

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 1>if you go lobster hunt and you catch a lobster

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>which tell is too short, you can lose the right

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>to vote for life. If you're walking on the beach,

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you know know, admiring the sunset, and you disturbed turtle nesting eggs,

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>you would lose the right to vote for life. If

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>you're like this gentleman in Broward County on Valentine's Day,

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>rather who, rather than giving his wife a dozen roses,

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>released twelve red balloons in the air. You could lose

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>the right to vote for the rest of your life,

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.479
<v Speaker 1>and the only chance that you would get those rights

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:34.800
<v Speaker 1>back were if you were lucky enough to appear before

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the governor and beg him for clemency. Right, bravo, let

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>their feet and understanding that their decision about whether or

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>not to let you be able to vote again is

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a purely arbitrary decision. You know, let me let me

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 1>give you some numbers. You know, the current policy that

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>we were under before Amendment four require the person to

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>wait either five or seven years after they have completed

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 1>their sentence before they're able to just apply to have

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:11.240
<v Speaker 1>their civil rights restored. And then once they apply, we've

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>seen waiting times between eight to ten years, and so

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing a person waiting upwards of eighteen years after

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 1>they have applied to have their righteous stored, and when

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>they walk into the climacy hearing, they stand less than

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 1>point zero zero one percent of a chance of getting

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>their righteous story. And you know what, this is no

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>longer theoretical right because I myself just went through this

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:43.840
<v Speaker 1>process right to where over nineteen years. Not only have

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I remained crime free, but I have dedicated my life

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to give it back to my community, so much so

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>that I've been named Central Floridian of the Year, Floridian

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Year, and even Time magazine one hundred most

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>influential person in the world. And I appear before the

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Clinacy Board and they can't even make a decision on that.

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>And so that is the type of process that have

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>been in place prior to him and been four and

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>so you know, we knew that, you know, at the

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, that was too much power for

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>four politicians to hold to decide which American citizens get

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the vote and which don't. Right, no matter what their

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>political party is, whether it's Democrats, Republicans, or whatever. No

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 1>politicians to have that absolute hour like that, because that

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>leads room for partisan politics to impact those decisions, right,

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:47.399
<v Speaker 1>especially when their arbitrary decisions. And so that was one

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of the flashpoints that made me believe that we had

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to take that power out of the hands of politicians

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.879
<v Speaker 1>and put it in the hands of the people. That's

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>exactly what we did. I wanted to ask you, you're

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about felony convictions, but putting twelve balloons into the

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 1>air instead of giving someone twelve roses. That's a felony.

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 1>That's a third degree felony in the state of Florida.

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>And a quick Google search you will find the story

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 1>he released the twelve balloons in the air and the

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and the law enforcement officer seeing them and promptly arrested.

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>So when we hear I think, when the average person

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>here's felony Desmond, they think a serious crime. And you know,

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.240
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something and that and that, uh Katie,

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you that is part of my mission

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 1>is to really expose how politicians can use rhetoric right

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>to divide our country right and and and they divided

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>through through hayden and and fear and create these narratives

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>that make people think about something that actually doesn't exist. Right.

0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>And so, for instance, when you talk about the felony convicts,

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna think of the worst person in the world,

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and you're more than likely going to think African American

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:09.839
<v Speaker 1>because we're paraded more than anyone else. But here's some realities.

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Even though Florida convicts about a hundred and seventy thousand

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>people a year, less than of them or even sentence

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to prison. And then even of the overwhelming number of

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that small group are there for less serious offenses. When

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 1>we looked at the entire population of people who have

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>been convicted and incarcerated, what we found was that people

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>convicted of murder and all kinds of felony sexual offenses

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>only made up you ready for this, less than three

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>percent of the total amount of people right who have

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>been impacted. Right. And so we we we know that,

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 1>you know that we have this challenge of fighting back

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>against a narrative that's been created not by the people

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>but by politicis that seek to divide this country, because

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>as long as this country is divided, they can't be

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 1>held accountable. Right. And so though we fight back at

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>that at every turn, every opportunity that we have to

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>really set the story straight, at the end of the day,

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, it is in society's

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 1>best interests that don't matter what a person does, right,

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.439
<v Speaker 1>if they're convicted, if their sentenced, they paid their debt,

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and they're they're released back into our community or already

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 1>in our community, it's in everyone's interests for them to

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>be able to successfully reintegrate it is in everyone's interests

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 1>for all of our citizens to participate in election because

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the more people that vote, the more vibrant our democracy becomes.

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's good for everybody. Tell us about Florida Amendment

0:41:53.840 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>for because you designed it. Yeah, Yeah. Amendment for was

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:06.479
<v Speaker 1>um basically to create a pathway. And and I tell

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>people today that in spite of whatever subsequent legislation may

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>have emerged, the one thing that we know is that

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 1>we've already won. We won when we pass Amendment for because,

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 1>now enshrined in our states Constitution, is an alternate pathway

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to be able to participate in our democracy without having

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to beg any politicians. It restores voting rights two individuals

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>who have been convicted of a felony offense who have

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 1>completed their sentence, as long as they have not been

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 1>convicted of murder or they have not been convicted of

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>felony sexual offenses. If those individuals have been convicted of

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>those crimes, there are still a pathway to be able

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 1>to vote again, but they would have to go through

0:42:56.160 --> 0:43:01.240
<v Speaker 1>the clinacy process. But everyone else, once they completed their senates,

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.919
<v Speaker 1>they have the right to vote. We had over five

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>for one million people that voted yes for amendment. For

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>we had a million more people that voted for us

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 1>than any candidate that was running for governor, which shows

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 1>the broad base of support that we had. And we

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>showed the world. We showed the state of Florida that

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>love can, in fact, when the day that we can

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>bring people together, that we don't have to tear each

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.800
<v Speaker 1>other down, that we could come together along the lines

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>of humanity, in spite of our political differences, in spite

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of our racial anxieties, that we can bring people together

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and move major issues that benefit society. But love didn't last, apparently, Desmond,

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 1>because after this was passed in two thousand and eighteen,

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>things got complicated. The Republican legislature passed a law s

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>B seven oh six six, basically clarifying the amendment and

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.759
<v Speaker 1>saying in order to register to vote, felons had to

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>pay their financial penalties. Out of the nearly one point

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 1>five million felons who regained the right to vote, seven

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:13.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy four thousand lost the right because of debt.

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I won't say, Katy, I wouldn't say that they lost

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the right. I said that they were delayed access to

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the right that was conferred upon them, you know, and

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 1>then the other piece of that. Okay, yes, seven hundred

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and seventy four thousand individuals have some type of legal

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>financial obligation that they have to satisfy before being able

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>to register the vote. But what that also says is

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 1>that there are five to six hundred thousand returning citizens

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 1>that don't have that barrier in front of them, that

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 1>they can also right now today register to vote and

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 1>be a part of our democracy. What my ancestors had

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to fight through the lynchings and the and the dogs

0:44:55.160 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>and the fire hoses for that. This franchise is old,

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 1>dog going important that it needs to be accessible to

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 1>everyone because the one time, you know, when I walk

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.359
<v Speaker 1>in that voting move, Katie, I have just as much

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 1>power as Jeff Bezos. I have just as much power

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>as Bill Gates. That is the one equalizing force in

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.919
<v Speaker 1>this country is that voting booth. And it should not

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 1>be barricaded. It shouldn't We should not be prevented from

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 1>being able to experience that just because we're too poor.

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Who will be able to vote in Florida on November three,

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, on November three, They're gonna be like

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 1>returning citizens who have satisfied their legal obligations or have

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>had others satisfied their legal obligations for them, and have

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 1>registered to vote. We're gonna be able to show up

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.879
<v Speaker 1>and participate in election. And you know what, Katie, They're

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>not coming by themselves. They're bringing their family, they're bringing

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 1>their friends, they're bringing their immunity to celebrate the expansion

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 1>of democracy. And I know on November three that they're

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 1>going to be people that's gonna be walking into that

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 1>voting booth with their shoulders thrown back in their chests,

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 1>out right knowing that they are now finally a part

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>of this democracy. And there's gonna be some tears. I

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>know they are. I know I'm gonna be crying right

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:25.319
<v Speaker 1>knowing that that we exist and that I've voiced the matter.

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>And they're people that's waiting. There are people that's literally

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 1>dying to get to that point right there. And so

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see what happened. While Desmond Mead

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 1>continues to fight on behalf of return citizens in court,

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 1>others are fighting on the ground or over zoom. Good morning, everyone.

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 1>My name is and if Scott. I'm from the League

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>of women voters. And what I do with three entry

0:46:55.040 --> 0:47:00.760
<v Speaker 1>programs is I give voter education, registration and thatte Scott

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>volunteers to help return citizens understand their rights. There's a

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:09.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of misinformation out there what people with criminal records

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 1>can and can't do very state by state. But luckily,

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 1>and that's a history buff who love sharing her research,

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.920
<v Speaker 1>most people in New Jersey do not know. The law

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>that prevents people who are incarcerated and previously on albervation

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 1>has been in effect since eighteen forty four. The half

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a dozen people who have joined this call have been

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 1>recently released from prison and are on parole or probation.

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:40.879
<v Speaker 1>The fact that they now have the right to vote

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey is a new law that went into

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>effect just this past March. And when anyone who is incorpirated,

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:52.879
<v Speaker 1>as soon as they leave, they can register immediately too.

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Now what a lot of people do is they asked me,

0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 1>is well, I committed two, three, four whatever felonies, so

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't vote in New Jersey. And that's not true.

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Once you're release from any correctional facility, you can register

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:12.879
<v Speaker 1>to vote. There's a lot that a NETTE has to cover,

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 1>like key voting deadlines to receive your application is October thirteenth.

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 1>How to fill out the registration forms and how to

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>send them in. If you do it online, you're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't, just post it on it and you

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<v Speaker 1>print your own form and she does it one voter

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<v Speaker 1>at a time. Does anyone have any questions for me?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the name of the website to register? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>What you can do? Use your local one, which is

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<v Speaker 1>um Middlesex County dot James. She loves her work, but

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<v Speaker 1>says the hardest part is hearing why people think the

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<v Speaker 1>voting isn't important. I think it's a waste of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want, I don't vote, I never have voted.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't count. It means nothing. Okay, Now, if they

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<v Speaker 1>saw me, I would be read as a beat tomato

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<v Speaker 1>and anything else you could say. Because I get so

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<v Speaker 1>upset when the citizen does this, because they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the history. So then what I do is I go

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<v Speaker 1>back and tell them. When I was a young child

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, every night on the news, I watched people

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<v Speaker 1>trying to register, not vote. Register. They were had dogs

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<v Speaker 1>set upon them, the police beat them with batons, they

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<v Speaker 1>were fire holes and the most horrible, horrible thing. Of all,

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<v Speaker 1>they were killed, so nothing else. I vote in their honor,

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<v Speaker 1>and some will say to me, oh, oh I never

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<v Speaker 1>knew that. Oh okay, our register and there's a few

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<v Speaker 1>that will say, yeah, okay, well that was then, But

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't see no use in it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell myself and that you can't convince everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>If you convince eight or nine out of ten, you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing good. The tent leave and maybe another day. But

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<v Speaker 1>in that Scott refuses to quit. Well, I'm hoping all

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<v Speaker 1>of you will register, and more than anything, I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 1>you will vote this year. Whoever it's for, it doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but please exercise your right to vote. I thank all

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<v Speaker 1>of you. I wish you the very best, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you have any questions and anything else that I can

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<v Speaker 1>help you with registration. I started will next week on Turnout.

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<v Speaker 1>You've taken the challenge and you've chosen to be a

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<v Speaker 1>next week on Turnout. Hey, listeners, before we go, I

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