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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beloved dentist, the picture

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Speaker 1: perfect husband who doated on his young wife, the mother

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Speaker 1: of what five of his children. She dies with a

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Speaker 1: mystery illness, but his sugar baby double life is revealed.

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Speaker 2: Ill Gross, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Never going to be able to look at my dentists

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Speaker 1: the same way as long as I live. And I

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Speaker 1: know him because guess what he was looking at a

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Speaker 1: crown in my mouth and goes, do you remember me?

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Speaker 2: And I actually did, but I couldn't place him.

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Speaker 1: He was on a jury of mine, yes, but that's

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Speaker 1: nothing compared to this freak with a sugar baby pasted.

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Speaker 2: Ugh I means he Grace.

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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Correction.

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Speaker 1: Angela Craig was a mother of six who knew something

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Speaker 1: was horribly wrong after she went for a bike ride

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Speaker 1: and came home barely able to walk. It wasn't the

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Speaker 1: bike ride, it was the protein shape your loving, doting

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Speaker 1: dentist husband James Craig made for you. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: the rest of that story. He was responsible for a

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Speaker 1: long and premeditated plot of poisoning her. But before I

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Speaker 1: get into those details, I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about his quote sugar baby past. It's also ruining the

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Speaker 1: candy for me, sugar babies, which was one of my

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Speaker 2: Now this, yes, Craig.

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Speaker 1: Was up to his same old tricks. He's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: He's not even all that.

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Speaker 1: He's not even remotely attractive. I can say this. He's

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Speaker 1: got straight teeth. Okay, they're probably fake that, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Multiple women state he started sexual end quote financial arrangements

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Speaker 1: with them long before Angela's death, on a sugar dating

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Speaker 1: website called seeking dot com. Okay, what to stop everything

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Speaker 1: right there? What is a sugar baby?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what a sugar baby is? It's

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Speaker 1: not the candy I grew up with. Okay, not that

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Speaker 1: at all. There's also a cosmetic brand, sugar Baby Cosmetics.

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Speaker 2: Let's see. It is a.

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Speaker 1: Book by Deroonica Lowe. It is a movie on B

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Speaker 1: E T. But it's of course the candy. But it's

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Speaker 1: commonly used to describe a person who gets money in

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Speaker 1: exchange for companionship i e.

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Speaker 1: It's called sugar dating. Sugar dating, Okay, it's just another

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Speaker 1: form of prostitution. Okay, being a sugar baby it's not

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Speaker 1: in exchange for sex, that's a prostitution that is illegal. Now,

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Speaker 1: this website we're talking about, that dentist Craig used seek

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Speaker 1: dot com. Okay, quote high income matchmaking. That's how it's

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Speaker 1: described exclusive matchmaking for high earning professionals. This guy was

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Speaker 1: swimming in debt, his nostrils just barely above a sea

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Speaker 1: of debt. It says eighty percent success rate. Okay, elite

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Speaker 1: dating for high income Singlesugh. Anyway, that said he was

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Speaker 1: meeting sugar babies well before he murdered his wife. Now

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Speaker 1: can we get into the details on the murder. Angela,

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Speaker 1: the mother of six, was declared brain dead after suffering

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Speaker 1: mystery symptoms that started ten days before. According to prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: the dentist Craig poisoned her protein shakes and secretly fed

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Speaker 1: her deadly doses of cyanide, arsenic and more, including the

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Speaker 3: Drops, ultimately killing her.

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Speaker 1: Also, this jury heard about a slew of mistresses, one

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Speaker 1: after the next, after the next, after the next. Her

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Speaker 3: Now, on the eighth day of the.

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Speaker 1: Trial, Testimony kicked off from mistress number four, her name

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Gore, told the Arapaho County jury she and the

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Speaker 1: porny dentist flew to Montana from Denver just a few

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Speaker 1: weeks after they met on a quote sugar dating site

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Speaker 1: Oh please, testified the previous day that would have been

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Speaker 1: day seven, that he also took her to Montana. After

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Speaker 3: You know what else will destroy you?

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Speaker 1: Trips skiing with all of your many mistresses and buying

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure the juriot had just about enough of

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Speaker 1: him for mistresses my rear end. What more do we

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Speaker 1: know about the so called porny dentist? Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friend Jackie Howard.

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Speaker 4: The lead up to James Craig's trial has been bizarre.

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Speaker 4: Two postponements, three different attorney teams, five added charges, and

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Speaker 4: on a murder charge of his wife, Angela, Craig still

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Speaker 4: allegedly worked to convince inmates, a former mistress, and even

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Speaker 4: botched murder for hire attempt on the cases lead detective

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Speaker 4: just before a second attempt at trial last year. Craig

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Speaker 4: allegedly offered people cash and dental work in return for

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Speaker 1: Him to what happened to the must just say frisky

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Speaker 3: The dentist accused of poisoning.

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Speaker 1: His wife shakes with cyanide and a chemical that is

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Speaker 1: found in eye drops. Wow, if he put as much

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Speaker 1: thought into fixing his marriage as he did and to

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Speaker 1: what happened to Angela Craig?

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 5: After multiple recent hospital visits, Angela again checked into a

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Speaker 1: Passing away Saturday, joining me an all star panel to

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Speaker 3: Of what we are learning.

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Speaker 1: This mom of six six and she's still really young

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Speaker 3: Apparently no college sweethearts.

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Speaker 1: Fall in love, they get married and immediately start having children.

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Speaker 1: That's how mom this young can have six children already,

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Stephan Tubb's host

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Speaker 1: of the podcast Arsenic Dds The Bizarre Case of Doctor

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Speaker 1: James Craig, which is an incredible podcast by the way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've done all this investigation and research, and I learned

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Speaker 1: even more by listening to that Arsenic Dds, The Bizarre

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Speaker 1: Case of Doctor James Craig. Stephan, I want to just

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Speaker 1: start with this young mom, Angela suddenly develops all these symptoms,

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Speaker 1: just bam dies. Now tell me about her original sentence,

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Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs.

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Speaker 6: Nancy, she got incredibly sick. And it wasn't just one

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Speaker 6: severe headaches, and she went to a local hospital. The

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Speaker 1: It was Stephan, hold on, hold on, Stephan, I want

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Speaker 1: to go straight out to our shrink joining us in

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Speaker 1: addition to incredible panel of guests joining me Doctor Cheven Scott, psychotherapist,

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Speaker 3: So much more, Doctor Cheven, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed how women's symptoms.

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Speaker 3: Just get discounted.

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Speaker 1: They come in, I'm nauseous, I feel dizzy, I've got

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Speaker 3: Fine, bye. Yeah, I've been over and over to Angela.

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Speaker 3: Are all women quote hysterical?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's even something called the w W syndrome,

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Speaker 8: and that stands for whiney woman, and medical doctors have

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, head blowing off right now?

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Speaker 3: The WuW syndrohn. Is that what you just said?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, whitey woman. Yeah, I've read with some women

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Speaker 8: doctors have written books about this problem in the medical

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Speaker 1: it will get me totally sidetracked off. This woman angela

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Speaker 1: who has researched and investigated this case. Just to the detail, Stephan, So,

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Speaker 1: she had headaches, a severe headache. I think from what

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Speaker 9: March ninth, same symptoms, nausea, dizziness, headache, even some vomiting. Again,

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Speaker 1: And there you say, doctor Chavonne Scott with us, who

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Speaker 1: just dropped a bombshale mommie about the WW syndrome. Whiny

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Speaker 3: When you're dying. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, just a horrifying, horrifying situation for a young woman

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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus joining me, high profile trial lawyer, TV legal

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Speaker 1: analysts founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal former felony prosecutor.

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Speaker 3: Eric, don't you just hate it.

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Speaker 1: When you're own client who's not charged with anything out

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Speaker 10: This conversation proceeded the death.

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Speaker 13: In homicide, of course, we'd call that a clue to

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Speaker 1: Okay, take a look at this fattest and that's from

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Speaker 11: Defense is going to say, so what, Everyone's allowed to

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Speaker 5: A severe seizure in her vitals crash. While hospital staff

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Speaker 1: Takes photos of his wife before we go to a

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Speaker 1: renowned physician and biomedical engineer, doctor Ernest Chiodo. Let me

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Speaker 1: go back to Stephan Tubbs, host of arsenic dds Stefan.

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Speaker 1: Why is he taking pictures of his wife as she's

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Speaker 6: They had all done things as couples before, and this

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Domino's falling to doctor Ernest Shaoto, not only physician,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure in your residency and in practicing medicine, you've

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Speaker 1: Do you not find that bizarre that he is taking

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Speaker 14: It's highly unusual.

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Speaker 1: Yes, doctor Chaoto, Have you ever seen someone take photos

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that happen, doctor Chaoto? No, I

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Speaker 1: that was when the weirdness was marked and noted when

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Speaker 1: This is to send to her extended family. That's bs

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? I mean, I know something's wrong

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Speaker 8: None of us can put ourselves in that situation and

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Speaker 8: I don't know that I have a good answer for that,

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Speaker 15: While his wife, Angela is fighting for her life in

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's so hard on a mistress when she

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Speaker 3: I can't stand to act.

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Speaker 1: Like we're just friends when we're so much more. Has

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Speaker 10: On the surface, certainly problematic.

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Speaker 11: It's going to be difficult to neutralize for the defense,

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Speaker 11: you know, I think that they might consider something like,

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Speaker 11: There are still cheating. Human beings can do underhanded stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's another whole thing there.

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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment to a doctor Chauven Scott,

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Speaker 3: I mean, if my husband did either one.

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Speaker 1: Basically, it's open marriage, open casket, bam.

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Speaker 1: But some women would prefer the husband, if they're going

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Speaker 8: The difference between having that kind of deep attachment with

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Speaker 1: You earlier heard podcast The Star of Arsenic Dds Stephan

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Speaker 3: Well here they go listen.

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Speaker 10: Still in the parking lot.

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Speaker 16: After visiting Angela in the hospital, Ryan Redfern gets a

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Speaker 5: After their phone call, James Craig sends Ryan Redfern a

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Speaker 3: Craig tells Redfern.

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Speaker 5: If he really is a friend, he and the remaining

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Speaker 1: Huge red flag when somebody says, don't talk to the cops.

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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I'm quoting Seeking is a community that celebrates the pursuit

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Speaker 1: a predecessor called Seeking Arrangements that was not even embarrassed.

443
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Speaker 1: It gave sugar babies and daddies asylum. Now seeking dot

444
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Speaker 1: com claims it's not a sugar baby haven, but that's

445
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Speaker 1: where they met. I'm just telling you what the facts are.

446
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: The facts that came out at trial. Now, remember the

447
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: jury heard from four mistresses, and you know that's got

448
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Speaker 1: to be the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 3: Those are four that we know of, you know, listen

450
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Speaker 3: to this.

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Speaker 1: Witnesses also testified at trial that Craig, the dentist this

452
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Speaker 1: way everybody hates dentists, asked his teen daughter to fabricate

453
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Speaker 1: a deep fake exonerating him by showing her own mother

454
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Speaker 1: asking him for poison, as well as the former salemate

455
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Speaker 1: who said that Dennis ordered hits on the lead detective

456
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Speaker 1: from behind bars.

457
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Speaker 3: What is wrong with this man? Is he at all

458
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Speaker 3: self aware? Does he even know he's alive? Does he

459
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Speaker 3: even know what he has done?

460
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Speaker 1: Ordering a hit on the detective from behind bars, asking

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Speaker 1: his teen daughter to create a deep fake where her

462
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Speaker 1: dead mom asks for poison. Oh, what more do we

463
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Speaker 1: know about the case. The dominoes begin to fall. What

464
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Speaker 1: about the dental practice partner?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Ryan Redfern.

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Speaker 6: Some would consider him to be the hero in this

467
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Speaker 6: because he's the one that after the phone call and

468
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Speaker 6: as you just outlined on the program. He tells Jim

469
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Speaker 6: via the cell phone. He says, Jim, stop talking, get

470
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Speaker 6: a lawyer to backtrack. We're talking about arsenic that was

471
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Speaker 6: allegedly purchased online. And I mean the computer records at

472
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Speaker 6: the dental practice were very easy for police investigators. But

473
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Speaker 6: it was the package of potassium cyanid that was delivered

474
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Speaker 6: to the actual dentist's office opened by some you know employee.

475
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Speaker 6: She starts to go what is this potassium siyanide? She

476
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Speaker 6: literally sees the skull and crossbones on the packaging.

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Speaker 10: She looks it up. It clicks in her mind.

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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, this is exactly these are the kinds

479
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Speaker 6: of symptoms that Angela Craig is experiencing. She then calls Redfern,

480
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Speaker 6: the partner, and that's how the domino starts to fall.

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Speaker 3: By joining me.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ernest Toyoto attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist and author

483
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Speaker 1: of Toxic Torque, Medical and Legal Elements. Doctor Toyoto explain

484
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Speaker 1: what the symptoms of that particular poison would be.

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Speaker 14: Well, there's a number of different poisons involved, but cyani

486
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Speaker 14: you just really have very rapid loss of blood pressure,

487
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Speaker 14: loss of consciousness and very rapid depth arsenic. You tend

488
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Speaker 14: to get periphoneuropathy and burning in the in your hands

489
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Speaker 14: and feet. It's more of a slow poison. It was

490
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Speaker 14: really interesting. Is a tetrahydral zoline, which is interestingly found

491
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Speaker 14: in eye drops to get the redness out of your eyes.

492
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Speaker 14: It's a it's a what they call an alpha agonist.

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Speaker 14: It causes constriction of blood vessels and that causes confusion,

494
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Speaker 14: can cause loss of consciousness, coma, and that sounds a

495
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Speaker 14: lot more like the symptoms that she was having in

496
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Speaker 14: the hospital.

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Speaker 1: The wife, guys, we look carefully at the movements and

498
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Speaker 1: actions leading up to her last hospitalization and what led

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Speaker 1: up to the previous two hospitalizations.

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Speaker 16: Listen, the husband and wife go for a run or

501
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Speaker 16: hit the gym together almost every day, and when they

502
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Speaker 16: return home, James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies

503
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Speaker 16: for breakfast while Angela delves into getting the kids ready

504
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Speaker 16: for the day.

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Speaker 9: We think he was using to poison Angula over the

506
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Speaker 9: course of several weeks, actually including it in her protein shapes,

507
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Speaker 9: even helping her along or trying to reassure her when

508
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Speaker 9: she was complaining of sickness Business NLGA. He was sort

509
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Speaker 9: of still encouraging her to.

510
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Speaker 14: Drink a sluid.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something, Stephan Tubbs joining me. Isn't

512
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Speaker 1: it true that on a prior occasion she had gotten

513
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Speaker 1: stabilized and then he goes out and comes back and

514
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Speaker 1: brings her food like a doting husband in the hospital

515
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Speaker 1: and suddenly she goes into seizures.

516
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Speaker 6: That's true. Yeah, she was in the hospital. Remember three

517
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 6: different times. She was in the hospital, three different times.

518
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Speaker 6: Reading the affidavit, which reads like a bad Hollywood script,

519
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Speaker 6: it looks like investigators feel she is consistently being offered

520
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 6: the food and in primary fashion, the protein shakes while

521
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 6: she's in and keep in mind all of these text

522
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Speaker 6: messages that are going back and forth. Do you feel

523
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 6: like a smoothie? Is there anything I can bring you?

524
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Speaker 6: And this goes on for the better part of the

525
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Speaker 6: month of March.

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Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, are you telling me he would email her

527
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Speaker 1: or text her in the hospital say can I bring

528
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Speaker 1: you a smoothie?

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Speaker 6: One thousand percent that is in the affidavit. I've seen

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Speaker 6: the screenshots of the text messages. She's in the hospital

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Speaker 6: three different times. There's text messaging. I mean dozens and

532
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Speaker 6: dozens of them, if not hundreds of them, going back

533
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Speaker 6: and forth, do you feel like something? What do you

534
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Speaker 6: feel like? Can I bring you anything? And it was

535
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Speaker 6: usually in the form of a smoothie and.

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Speaker 3: Then the other shoe drops listen.

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Speaker 4: With suspicions raised, Angela Craig is sent for an autopsy

538
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: with additional toxicology screening. Test revealed the otherwise healthy mom

539
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Speaker 4: of six died of poisoning from both sinide and tetrahydrosylene,

540
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Speaker 4: a common ingredient in eye drops. While investigators have no

541
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Speaker 4: definitive evidence Angela's food and drinks were poisoned with cyanide,

542
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Speaker 4: the test reveal her sinide levels increased while she was

543
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Speaker 4: in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Tubbs, her levels increased while she's in the hospital.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that was probably the biggest shocker in

546
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Speaker 6: a shocking story in the Denver metro area that we

547
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Speaker 6: got wored and read the autopsy. Her levels of cyanide

548
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Speaker 6: increased while she's.

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Speaker 10: In the hospital. I mean, to me, it was and

550
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Speaker 10: remains unprecedented.

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Speaker 6: I've never heard a story like that, and doctors didn't

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Speaker 6: know again what they were looking for, right, and it

553
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 6: was just when the domino started to fall and people

554
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 6: started to talk the business partner that they started to

555
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Speaker 6: look into. Wait a minute, these are the signs of poisoning.

556
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Speaker 6: And certainly we know what the autopsy revealed.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, to me, Stephan, it would all blow

558
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Speaker 1: up when the dental assistant opens up a package and

559
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Speaker 1: it's cyanide.

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Speaker 6: Oh remember though, Nancy, it was supposed to be a

561
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Speaker 6: ring for Angela. I mean, the Kakamami stories just were

562
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Speaker 6: over and over.

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Speaker 3: Where do you get cyanide? Stephan?

564
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Speaker 1: You can just order it up on Amazon? I mean,

565
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Speaker 1: where do you get cyanide?

566
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Speaker 6: So one of the two there were purchase orders for

567
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Speaker 6: Amazon dot Com, which was amazing. I can't believe it

568
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 6: was either cyanide or the potassium h that.

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Speaker 3: Was a joke. Are you serious? You can get cyanide

570
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: on Amazon?

571
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Speaker 6: There you go right there on your screen. Yeah, I'm

572
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Speaker 6: going to buy this on Amazon. First of all, somebody

573
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Speaker 6: beso arsenic, Yeah, arsenic? But you yeah.

574
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Speaker 10: And then look at.

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Speaker 1: This packcast left inside residence's mailbox. So I guess he

576
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Speaker 1: thought he was being super smart by having it delivered

577
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Speaker 1: to the dentist office so his wife wouldn't the arsenic, right,

578
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Speaker 1: don't open this, okay, So what happens Stephan when the

579
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Speaker 1: dental assistant opens up a box and it's arsenic?

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Speaker 6: I think her eyes abow bugged out of her head,

581
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Speaker 6: is what happened. She sees this package, she opens it up.

582
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Speaker 6: Another office assistant came in and said, you weren't supposed

583
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Speaker 6: to open that.

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Speaker 10: Well, gots out of the bag.

585
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 6: She sees the skull and crossbones, and then she again

586
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Speaker 6: puts the pieces together. Wait a minute, potassium cyanide. She

587
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 6: calls doctor Redfern, the partner of Jim Craig, and says, uh,

588
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 6: you got a package here, and then that's where you

589
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 6: fast forward, you know. Redfern confronts Jim Craig and says,

590
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Speaker 6: why are you buying potassium cyanide for the dental practice?

591
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 6: And of course the lie was, oh that's really it's

592
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Speaker 6: a gift.

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Speaker 10: It was it was a ring for Angela. Well, there

594
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Speaker 10: was no ring inside.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Earnest Chioto joining us, a renowned physician and lawyer

596
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Speaker 1: and author. Doctor Chioto, she couldn't taste something odd in

597
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Speaker 1: her protein shakes. I mean, what does arsenic or cyanide tastelite.

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Speaker 14: Arsenake's going to taste sort of have a garlet sort

599
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 14: of taste, whereas cyanide really wouldn't. Sometimes it is an

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Speaker 14: order of bitter almonds. So whether or not she could

601
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Speaker 14: taste the arsenake or cyanide would really be a matter

602
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Speaker 14: of how much was in the shape. The small amount

603
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Speaker 14: you may not taste it.

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Speaker 9: He clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was.

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Speaker 9: He was using a different computer in his dentist practice,

606
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Speaker 9: the one that he owned, and then he had this

607
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Speaker 9: alternate email address. I think it was something along the

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Speaker 9: lenes of Jim and Waffles at gmail dot com, at

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Speaker 9: gmail or at AOL or at hotmail dot com. I

610
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Speaker 9: don't recall which you exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind.

611
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 9: He was actually in two million dollars of personal debt,

612
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 9: and it was because he made some really terrible investments

613
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 9: in some dodgy crypto currency turned out to be worth

614
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Speaker 9: absolutely nothing.

615
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 10: He gambled the family part.

616
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Speaker 9: With these really risky investment choices, and then by the

617
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Speaker 9: time we came to find out about him, he was really.

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Speaker 3: Up to his neck. He filed for personal.

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Speaker 9: Bankruptcy, he foiled it for professional bankruptcy.

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Speaker 3: Oh my stars. Eric fattis renowned attorney.

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Speaker 1: Don't you just hate it when your mastermind client just

622
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Speaker 1: uses a fake email to find out all about cyanide

623
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Speaker 1: and order Arsenic from Amazon?

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Speaker 3: That really worked.

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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: You know that there is a potential alternsive explanation as

627
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Speaker 11: to why I was doing that, As we've talked about,

628
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Speaker 11: his marriage of twenty three years was on the rocks.

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Speaker 11: He had filed for bankruptcy twice, he had a history

630
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Speaker 11: of depression. SINID can be used to hurt others, but

631
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Speaker 11: I can also be used to hurt oneself, and that's

632
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Speaker 11: something that one might not want to broadcast other people

633
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Speaker 11: and might use surreptitious means to try to procure it,

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Speaker 11: which it sounds like you do.

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Speaker 1: You know, Eric, you know something you've got to tell

636
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Speaker 1: and I better better inform you about it before you

637
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Speaker 1: go to Vegas. The crazier your arguments get the faster

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Speaker 1: you talk, and I love that about you, and I'm

639
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: telling you because I really don't think you can stop yourself.

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Speaker 1: But that said, so you're suggesting now you're just spinning.

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Speaker 3: It out right like you're throwing a frisbee. You're just

642
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Speaker 3: throwing it at me.

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Speaker 1: That he really ordered the cyanide and the arsenic for himself, right.

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Speaker 3: You're equally consistent with that? And what about this?

645
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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client try to suborn perjury?

646
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Speaker 3: Kind of a deal? Dancers for Perjury listen.

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Speaker 17: According to prosecutors, this isn't the first time James Craig

648
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Speaker 17: has tried to recruit fake witnesses. James Craig gets friendly

649
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Speaker 17: with several inmates at the Arapa Ho Detention Center and

650
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 17: learns William Billy Walden's mother hates her dentures but can't

651
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 17: afford implans. Craig asks Walden to let him talk to

652
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Speaker 17: his mom the next time he gives her a call.

653
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Speaker 17: Over the phone, Craig tells Rebecca Walden he'll give her

654
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Speaker 17: a brand new set of teeth when he gets out,

655
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Speaker 17: saying he's certain to get off because he didn't kill

656
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Speaker 17: his wife. Craig gets Walden's address and tells her he'll

657
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Speaker 17: give her more details in a letter.

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Speaker 1: So faddest Dancers for Perjury thoughts not the best.

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Speaker 10: Deal, certainly a bad look.

660
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Speaker 11: But on the other hand, defense is going to say, hey,

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Speaker 11: look he was He's been in jail for a long time.

662
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Speaker 11: He's been adamant about his innocence. He's getting desperate. He

663
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 11: needs to do something to try to change things. And

664
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Speaker 11: this is the sort of hair brain scheme he came

665
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Speaker 11: up with. It's problematic, but doesn't mean he committed murder.

666
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: Okay, I had a funny feeling you would say that

667
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: about the dentures for perjury scheme? Well, what about hatties

668
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: for dentures? Hatties at O T T I E S

669
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Speaker 1: listen fattest.

670
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Speaker 16: In early twenty two, twenty four, a letter from Craig

671
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Speaker 16: to Rebecca Walden, inmate William Walden's mother, was returned to

672
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Speaker 16: the Rapahoe Detention Center as undeliverable. The letter contains an

673
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 16: offer to provide Rebecca Walden with free dental implants if

674
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 16: she recruits several young, attractive women to pose as Craig's

675
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 16: affair partners. Craig instructs Walden to have the women tell

676
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 16: authorities that Angela confronted them about Craig's affairs, then recruited

677
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Speaker 16: them to help her frame Craig for her murder.

678
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Speaker 1: Okay, what happens, Stephan Tubbs, where do the hotties enter

679
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: the scene?

680
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 6: In a desperate plea to get out of the Arapaho

681
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 6: County jail. I mean, at this point there's no death

682
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Speaker 6: penalty in Colorado. He has nothing to lose. He's been

683
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 6: accused of trying a solicitation for murder of the lead

684
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 6: detective in this I mean, it's not just the hotties

685
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 6: or the free teeth or whatever. Jim Craig is trying

686
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Speaker 6: any way that he can, at least according to those

687
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 6: of us following the case closely, him, do whatever he

688
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 6: can to possibly grasp at straws to convince one juror

689
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 6: once this thing finally starts to create that.

690
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 10: Doubt. But it's been crazy. The hits just keep on coming.

691
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 6: I literally, less than two weeks ago had a guy

692
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 6: reach out to me. Don't know him from anybody, He says, Hey,

693
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Speaker 6: I was serving in the Appaho County detention facility with

694
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 6: Craig until last October. You won't believe what he told me.

695
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 6: He even gave me a letter. It's crazy, and it continues.

696
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 4: In the letters to Constantinidis, Craig offers a blank check

697
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: in exchange for spoofed texts, phone records, and doctored photographs

698
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: that can help convince authorities. Constantinidis knew Angela in life,

699
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 4: and that the mom of six was suicidal after learning

700
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: of his latest affair. Craig details some of his previous

701
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: affairs in the letter, admitting he first cheated on Angela

702
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: with a patient in two thousand and nine, and provides

703
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 4: personal information about his children in an attempt to make

704
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: their lives incredible.

705
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Greece. What a creep.

706
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: I cannot even say. This dentist is insane. He's just disgusting.

707
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: One hospital worker describes dentist Craig as quote doting. He

708
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: kept going to nurses and doctors asking about his wife's

709
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: mystery illness. He repeatedly updated her nine siblings through a

710
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: big text chain. All the while he is writing a

711
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: quote sugar baby while his wife, Angela is in the hospital.

712
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: Quote I just woke up dreaming about making love to you.

713
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: I love you and want you.

714
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: Can I just, you know, slap him right now?

715
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: Can I just? I can't reach him, but I want to.

716
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: As his wife late dying, he was not only plotting

717
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: to kill her, but he was intent on meeting up

718
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Speaker 1: with quote sugar babies. Oh. The jurors heard excerpts from

719
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: Angela's diaries, her journals, she agonized over her marriage and

720
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: about her husband's repeat affairs. She knew about affairs, but

721
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't think she knew he was actively trying to

722
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: hook up with sugar babies and giving them money to

723
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Speaker 1: do that, all the while he was attending group counseling

724
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: and therapy to work on the marriage. I mean, the

725
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: degree of deception just looking at his face. I want

726
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: to slap him so much. Then I want to cut

727
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: the cross out of all of his pants and burn

728
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: them in the front yard and stir them like I'm

729
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: stirring a big bowl of grits. Okay, back to what

730
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: matters this beautiful mom of six, her life and her death.

731
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: Not only did he try to arrange quote hatties attractive

732
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: women to claim they were his sex partners to tell

733
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: authorities his dead wife confronted him about his affairs and that.

734
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Speaker 3: She was going to commit suicide.

735
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Speaker 1: So your suicide fantasy is actually hatching in the defendant's mind.

736
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Speaker 3: All right, So he's taking.

737
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Speaker 1: Your cue, but he's soliciting, suborning, for lack of a

738
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: better word, perjury by haughties to say his dead wife

739
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: confronted them. Not only that he has eight dentures for

740
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: perjury scheme with somebody else. Now we're learning according to

741
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, he tried to order a hit on a detective.

742
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: Have a detective murdered?

743
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: What about it?

744
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 14: You know?

745
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 11: I think what he'll say is that a person who

746
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 11: feels that they are innocent, they are being railroaded, they

747
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 11: have been in jail for a long period of time,

748
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 11: months and months, that they don't feel like they have

749
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 11: a way to get out, They're going.

750
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Speaker 10: To resort to desperate acts.

751
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Speaker 11: And perhaps in his mind he thought that, hey, if

752
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 11: I eliminate the head honchhow in this investigation, perhaps the

753
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 11: investigation falls apart. Certainly not lawful, certainly not okay, but

754
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 11: also not the same thing as proving him guilty of murdering.

755
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: His What doctor Ernest Chaoto joining US renowned physician and author,

756
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: not to Shayoto, what does a victim experience as they

757
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: die from cyanide or arsenic poisoning?

758
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 14: Well, if they're going to be different, arsenic is going

759
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 14: to be sort of a slow, agonizing death, or as

760
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 14: cyanides can be very rapid, you're really going to end

761
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 14: up with sufficient cyanide, You're going to end up dying

762
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 14: with the moments. So they are really two different types

763
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 14: of gap due to two very different.

764
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Speaker 1: Toxic pheil waters joining us former homicide detective Houston, PD,

765
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Speaker 1: President of Kindred Spirits Investigations dot com. You know, Phil,

766
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Speaker 1: you and I have handled a lot of murders, a

767
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: lot of homicides, be they involuntary, voluntary, or mouse murder.

768
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Speaker 3: It takes a special kind of mind, would.

769
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Speaker 1: You agree, Phil? This is not getting angry and pulling

770
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Speaker 1: a gun and shooting. This is months and months of planning,

771
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: of scheming, of Google searches, and lovingly feeding your wife

772
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: protein shakes laced with poison and in watching her suffer

773
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: feel well exactly.

774
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 10: You know, this is a.

775
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 13: This is an evil act on this guy's part. I

776
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 13: won't even recognize him by saying his name, and we

777
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 13: see this and he is obsessed with killing his wife,

778
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 13: murdering his wife, the mother of his six children. And

779
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 13: this is something that for as you put it, for months,

780
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 13: has been thinking about this every minute of every day.

781
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 13: And so when he's going into these search engines and

782
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 13: trying to figure out what kind of poison is the

783
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 13: best one, he's and that kind of thing.

784
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 10: I'll tell you.

785
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 13: What it's just I hope he's a better dentist than

786
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 13: he was a murderer, because what he did is idiotic

787
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 13: in terms of trying to accomplish the task murder his

788
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 13: wife and try to have some sort of a story

789
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 13: that's going to take the suspicion away from you. Everything

790
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 13: he did in the process here pointed to him. So

791
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 13: when we get these investigations, we always look for affirmative links.

792
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 13: We let the evidence take us where we need to be,

793
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 13: and it's always a journey for the truth. In this

794
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 13: particular guy, I listened to the defense with all due

795
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 13: to respect. These these episodes of isolation that we're talking about,

796
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 13: where you know, he's cheating, that didn't make him a

797
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 13: murder and so on and so on. This has to

798
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 13: be looked at in a timeline of events. If we

799
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 13: can determine when this started, and then of course we

800
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 13: know where it ended and what were the events that

801
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 13: occurred in between that got us to the point. You know,

802
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 13: this taking pictures and so forth of the of his

803
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 13: wife in the hospital when she's dying. You know, when

804
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 13: I was listening to that discussion, I'm more prone to

805
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 13: believe that he was going to use use those pictures

806
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 13: to gain some sympathy from the woman that he was

807
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 13: wanting to.

808
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 10: A squire around.

809
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 13: So you know, he had a purpose for all the

810
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 13: things that he did, and it was just it was

811
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 13: just kind of stupid.

812
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 10: Is as stupid?

813
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 13: Does it just continue to get more idiotic as you

814
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 13: went through this process, thinking that what people are going

815
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 13: to believe this story that he's come up with.

816
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: And you know another thing, Phil, as you and I

817
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: you as a homicide detective, me as a felony prosecutor,

818
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: we would go about our business every day not thinking

819
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: that an inmate behind bars is trying to have us killed,

820
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: have us killed to thwart the investigation. I bet you

821
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: never thought about that while you were detecting.

822
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 10: No, when I.

823
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 13: Worked in narcotics, I did have a contract put out

824
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 13: on me. So I'm a little familiar.

825
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: We all, for Pete's sake, we've all gotten death thrusts.

826
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: The first one I had was faxed over from the

827
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Speaker 1: Fulton County Jail.

828
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: Didn't take too much to figure that one out.

829
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 15: But it is.

830
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Arrogance, yes, yes, the level of arrogance to think he

831
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: can get away with everything and fix it all by

832
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: doing a dentures for perjury scheme and having the lead

833
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: detective murdered.

834
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Speaker 3: This woman is dead and.

835
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Speaker 1: Probably her last thoughts were Who's going to take care

836
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: of my children? Prosecutors alleged to a jury James Craig

837
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: the Colorado Dennis considered his wife a quote problem.

838
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: Really he didn't think that when she gave birth to

839
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: his six children.

840
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: Diddy and poisoned her with a combination of cyanide, arsenic

841
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: and tetra hydrozylene that is in eyedrops. It constricts your

842
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: or if you put it in your eyes, it constricts

843
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: the veins in your eyes so you don't see the

844
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: red in your eyes. Does the same thing to someone's heart.

845
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: It constricts the blood vessels around the heart and gives

846
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: you a heart attack.

847
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: Now again.

848
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: The third oldest child, Annabelle, testified about one of his

849
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: many many plots, including soliciting first degree murder and tampering

850
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: with physical evidence and suborning perjury.

851
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: From behind bars.

852
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: Her dad, she testified under oath, called her from behind

853
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: bars shortly after his arrest and asked her to create

854
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: a deep fake, claiming that the mom wanted the poisoning.

855
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: The letter that he wrote admitted to pass sex affairs

856
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: and told the daughter her parents have been playing a

857
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: quote game of Chicken with Craig, claiming Angela asked him

858
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: to order the fatal poisons. That's when he wanted a

859
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: quote deep fake video of mom saying she asked Craig

860
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: to order Cyanide, Arsenic and Oleander, and she was going

861
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: to take it herself, dragging his daughter into this. The

862
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: letter written by him offered instructions including buying a cheap laptop,

863
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: installing a VPN, a private network, and using the dark Web,

864
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: even asking his daughter to set up an anonymous email,

865
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Speaker 1: and buying a prepaid Visa gift card.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

867
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Speaker 1: He then told his own daughter to burn the video

868
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: onto thumb drives, tell investigators she found them amongst her

869
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: mother's things, and then destroyed the laptop.

870
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Speaker 3: He pulled his own daughter into this.

871
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: If you're sitting down, you may need to lay down.

872
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: I've managed to dig up dentist Craig's profile on the

873
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: Sugar dating site that listed him as rich and married

874
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: but looking what married but looking okay? As I've told

875
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: my husband many many times, open marriage, open casket for you,

876
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: okay to this guy's website love the outdoors, love to travel. Wait,

877
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: let me rephrase love the outdoors as I run from

878
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: hotel to motel, Love to travel as I dash out

879
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: of my home to the car. I spotted a tree

880
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: as I'm hopping in the car to meet you at

881
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: a cheap motel. I love snowboarding, mountain biking, fly fishing, hiking,

882
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: and camping in my spare time. While I'm not trying

883
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: to have sex with sugar babies, I love to work

884
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: out and consider myself to be in decent shape, especially

885
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: the pelvic area.

886
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: Wealthy but prudent.

887
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: No you're not. You're going bankrupt. I require discretion so

888
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: my wife won't find out. Not looking to change my situation.

889
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: In other words, the divorce would be costly. Would like

890
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: to meet at once a month or so. That's romantic.

891
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: Maybe for travel when I have to go out of

892
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: town for work. Oh oh, that's fun. We can stay

893
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: in the hotel and order crappy room service. I am

894
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: a dentist grut a note you know they've got a

895
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: very high suicide rate, and own other businesses as well.

896
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: Really, what business is that?

897
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: I am a guest speaker at many dental conventions. Oh,

898
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: that makes for sparkling personality and meetings. So I travel

899
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: about once a month, sometimes internationally. What to Canada, I

900
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: mean this guy? Oh okay, wait a minute, stop everything.

901
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture that he posted of himself

902
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: naked in bed with just a sheep barely covering his

903
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: crych areat looking quote playful obviously in a hotel somewhere.

904
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I just got a vomit, just a little

905
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: bit in my mouth right now as we go to

906
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: air tonight. Apparently Craig is plotting his appeal.

907
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: Good luck with that. The only way you're getting out

908
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: of this is.

909
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: If a majority of the judges on the appellate court

910
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: are sugar babies, and I don't think that's going to happen.

911
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: Good night'