WEBVTT - Rick Goings on the Role of Men 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.279 Hi. This is Malayan Vervier and this is Kim Azarelli. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.360 We are co authors of the book Fast Forward, How 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.840 Women Can Achieve Power and Purpose. And you're listening to 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.720 Seneca Women Conversations on Power and Purpose, brought to you 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.600 by the Seneca Women Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.000 Rick Goings has been in the business of empowering women 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.680 his entire career. As the former CEO and chairman of 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:45.120 the multibillion dollar company, the Tupperware Brands, Rick recognized early 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.440 on that the success of his company depended on the 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.640 success of women. Rick joined me at the Seneca Women 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.440 Forum at the New York Stock Exchange to discuss his 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.000 unexpected career path in direct selling, the business case for 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.000 empowering women, and the role of men in achieving gender 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.880 or equality. Enjoy our conversation and stick around after for 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:24.520 my top takeaways. We'll be back after this break. I 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.680 don't think Rick Goings is much introduction. Former CEO and 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.880 chairman of Tupperware. We share a love of direct selling 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.120 and he is one of the men who really gets it. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:34.520 We always say there are men are get it, and 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.280 no one gets it better than Rick. So Rick, we're 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.480 delighted to have you here could be here. So nearly 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.440 your entire career has been being in the business of 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.440 empowering women, and you have seen a huge sea change 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.720 in what that means or the last ten or twenty years. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.080 Can we just start with your own journey and how 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:52.960 you started this and how you got into the direct 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:59.120 selling business after school the Navy, I started my own company, 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.840 did one underfully. I thought I was a rock star 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:06.720 in my twenties, and then nothing I did in my 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:12.000 thirties worked, and so Avon recruited me. And I've had 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.440 people ask me why did you go to Avon? I said, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:20.920 let's see, I needed a job at that time. Um, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.359 but it was a fabulous journey. I headed strategy in 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.160 New York. Then I went to Europe, then UH I 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.000 was a group president Asia Pacific open most of those 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.600 markets those were during the house in years. Came back 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.200 as the chairman's number two. So it was a wonderful journey. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:44.120 And that's where the whole thing was illuminating for me. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:50.359 Of no matter what country I was in and different cultures, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:57.120 different religions, I would see that the power was was women. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.560 It was this hiding in plain sight kind of a thing. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.160 Fred Smith once said to me, the founder of fed Express, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.040 he said, the way to look really smart is find 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:11.480 a good parade and get in front of it. And 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.600 I got to tell you, I mean I started to 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.960 see that where I was in New Orland, and I 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.480 got a recruit it away for and for twenty five 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:24.680 years ran ran Tupperware to work with over three million women. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.680 It was wonderful. Well, I have to say this former 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.840 Avon person, that was Avon's loss, but Tupperware's game. Because 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.000 what you did with Tupperware is quite extraordinary. And when 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.240 you talk about being in front of that parade, you're 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.400 talking about countries all over the world. Have you seen 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.560 sort of a difference between countries or what have you 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.720 seen in your journeys? Yeah, and that's an important question too, 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.320 because here's one of the This is not a criticism, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:54.080 This is an observation about most events in the United 0:03:54.120 --> 0:04:00.640 States regarding women's empower meant it generally is a Western 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:06.600 American mindset. Only four of the of the world's population 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.560 lives here, and I think there is a very big 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:15.400 need to bifurcate it and start to understanding and appreciate that. Hey, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.039 the issues in in many of these countries. Is not 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.160 a glass ceiling. That is an issue, but it's not 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:27.320 the first one. It's the grimy floor. It's abuse, it's 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.640 not letting in even being let into the economy. Uh. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.800 And that's why it needs to have a different conversation. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.760 And this forty years of doing it boys camps, it 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:44.880 sensitized me too. You can have those conversation. So we've 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.080 seen actually talk about the glass ceiling, and we go 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.800 to Davos together. We see still though that we're stuck. Right, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.040 So we are still stuck after these forty years, and 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:54.839 I know you've been making the business case in every 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.800 corner of the world. Why are we still stuck? Well, 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.000 I think personally at Davo since Milana, we worked on 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:06.000 this with you for so so long. Uh. Ten twelve 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.360 years ago, we never had in that congress hall even 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.320 one dialogue about women's issues. And I would then go 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.440 and do TV interviews and criticized Davos and I said, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.320 Chairman Plaus is not going to invite me back again. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:25.680 But then we started making headway. One session, two sessions, 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.640 three sessions, I mean there were a dozen last year. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.120 So I think the first the reason it hasn't it 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:37.080 it I think starts off with this. We need to 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:43.040 move this away from just a narrative on social justice. Uh, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:47.919 social justice makes victims of women, I do. I believe 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.719 there's a social justice case, yes, But the business case 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.919 is that's when people start to wake up and start 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.440 to say, wait a minute, and so rather than all 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.720 the dial lug because so many women came into leadership 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.040 roles acting like a man. I'll tell you what I did. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.920 I've told you about this in the past. Um. I'm 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.920 in the largest Muslim population country in the world. We 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.200 have a big business there, Indonesia. Head of our business 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.400 there was a woman. This time, I have each of 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:25.200 our women leader distributors, bring her husband and I do 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.400 a two hour seminar. I don't speak Bahassa, but I 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.600 use a lot of a v and music and and 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:38.719 simultaneous translation. And we did it on the difference between 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.440 men and women. And we did it in kind of 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:47.880 a disarming way that looked at my goodness the power 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.440 of her. And I'll tell you, things started to really 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.960 grow after that. He started went from a belligerent attitude 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.640 to really starting to help her. So I think enlightenment 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.120 is one of the things. You add a little brain 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.320 science to that, as I recall, wasn't a little brain 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.360 science in the presence? Oh god, I take it beyond that. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.080 I said, guys, let's talk about it. I would sit 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.120 on the stage and here big auditor, and well, all 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.360 these people in it, and I have slides. I said, 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.360 woman's brain. Excuse me, man's brain, and I would show 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.360 the size and how many cells re in it woman's brain. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.280 Men loved it because a man's brain is larger. And 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.800 I said, not so fast, guys. Click. She scores fourcent 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:39.360 higher almost always on tests, So more efficient machine. And 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.920 then I'd get into it. What the hell are you 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.800 guys doing with that? Then I would start to identify 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.200 having fun with it that men have nothing box and 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.000 you ask them, what are you thinking about? He says nothing, 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.440 he's because he's not, So I hope you get the feeling. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.120 We started to have fun with it. Uh, fun with that. 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.880 And then we'd go through she has corpus close and 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.920 then her brain more, which is like WiFi, which means 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.520 she can she's got a right brand and left lane 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:17.040 and they communicate. It means oh, empowered to multitask. Talk 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.280 to a guy sometimes when he's watching a sporting event, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.000 he can't even do anything else at that so we 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.400 would have fun. But that there's a redeeming quality of men. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.000 Just read it. Latest studies are there's all kinds of 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:37.840 things that women why she's powerful. Men are generally more 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:42.800 romantic than women. Number One, he falls in love by 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:49.920 visual first. Who didn't know that superficial? Okay, but uh, 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.440 you know, and be attractive. But he but he gets 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.079 to love quicker. So I've got to dig deeper. I 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.439 just saw the initial research this morning. I said, this 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.920 could be fun. Well, this is direct selling style, and 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.280 you guys have to understand that Rick Rick is really 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.120 one of the leaders. I was actually able to participate 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.080 in an Italian direct selling meeting that Rick was hosting, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.320 and I have to it was an experience. So let's 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.439 talk a little bit more about the role of men. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.079 So we see that there's so much happening in the 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.959 space right now, there's between me two and time stuff. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.920 It's just a real focus. But there's a sense to 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.760 that there could be a little bit of a backlash. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.079 Perhaps some men are feeling challenged and perhaps are over 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.760 correcting in their behavior. So I've been on conference calls 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.800 literally where particularly guys in the private equity world have said, oh, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.240 I'm not going to take There's no way I'm taking 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.920 a woman for lunch, and I'm definitely not going on 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.319 any business trips anymore with women. So we have on 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.480 the one hand, we need women to be mentored more, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.559 we need women to be sponsored more, we need to 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.319 have um leadership, you know, focusing intentionally as Carol and 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.719 would say, on rising women up. And at the same 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.959 time we have this kind of perhaps over correction on 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.120 on the half of some men. What do you make 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.600 of that, firs. I believe it's true and over correction. 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:07.040 It is interesting. Tupperware globally is kind of a hugging culture. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.079 People really work with one another, and all of a 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.839 sudden I had people asking me, gosh, can I be 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.240 hugged on stage? We said, now, we don't do that anymore. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:21.480 We started to get backlash in Australia and other markets 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.360 of the world, and but respectfully, you still have to 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.400 figure out a way to do it, and that gets 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:33.480 down to the responsibility of men, responsible leadership when they're 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.360 in that kind of a role. I've said to you before, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.079 one of the keys to success to really make it 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.240 fast forward. We started this United Nations called He for She. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.760 He is the gatekeeper of most of the jobs. Only 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.680 five percent of the CEO jobs women have only six 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.440 percent of the countries of the world heads of stator 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.319 women and only a third of colleges. That's why we 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.800 started to say we want to get he in those 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.319 roles and open up and start being a mentor and 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.079 a sponsor. Will you can't be a sponsor if you 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:10.400 don't spend any time together and get engaged in their uh, 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:15.480 their their life and engaged in their career. And that's 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.720 why my successor, she's going through a very steep learning 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.800 curve right now. I turned things over two and a 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.520 half years ago. But but I will tell you pulled 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.360 her back from she had Latin America. Before that, she 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.080 was ten years in Europe. I've been in many trips 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.400 with her. You've got to be engaged so that she 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:41.280 doesn't she gets the same kind of mentorship and sponsorship. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.880 Interesting study at Bain they looked at belief of getting 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.880 into the c suite from really graduates from the better 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.400 schools men and women. It was about the same at 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:59.080 the start of her career hers had dropped after ten years. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.240 Why number one thing, it was not the work of 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.280 their home pressures. It was she didn't have the same 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.319 kind of good old boys network and they're of sponsors 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.000 in there. So I think we've got to manage our 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.600 way through the back of the back the heap forciate 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.959 the backlash from from that need to that was correct, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:26.160 but we've got to moderate that because that's where the 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:30.040 jobs are. So you mentioned the business case earlier, making 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.719 the business case, and I think you've done a really 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.280 good job of the last ten years, especially from your 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.719 position as CEO. I think some people would say that 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.959 despite the business case, we're still having a lot of resistance. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.520 So where do you think that resistance is coming from? 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:47.319 Mostly from non enlightened men who were just doing it 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:51.040 to check the box because they're saying, oh, we're having 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.400 our diversity report to the board, Oh we look good 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.880 this year on it. Their heart's not in it. Not 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.280 enough of them really have had an illumination, you know 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.199 what they always need to do. Whatever that was it 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.719 a pill he took or a psychiatrist. He went to 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:12.000 remember Mel Gibson the movie What Women Want. When all 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.719 of a sudden he went from he could read your 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.319 mind and he's trying on lipstick and Hosieri. I'm not 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.480 recommending that, but but you really, you really have to 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.600 start to understand of the power that what women bring 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:31.120 to this uh uh. Nick Kristoff and Nick's a buddy 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:35.959 from Davos and his his wife, Cheryl Woodung wrote a 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:40.200 book Half the Sky, basically the concept that women hold 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.760 up half the sky. Why wouldn't you leverage that out there? 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.440 And what we've learned is so much the power of her, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.559 that her power with regard to relationship. You want to 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.679 build a brand. Percent of all millennials don't believe advertising. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.839 They will believe a woman who will tell them and 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.000 chow tell a friend and neighbor are relative. That's been 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.960 the power of our our company. We've got to figure 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.520 out more ways to enlighten men. And that's white Like, 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.280 I'm not surprised today we have what five enlightened men 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.720 here in the room, and then you have at Davos. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.120 We have two thousand people come there. It's hard to 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.840 get a ticket to Davos. So we put pressure on companies. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.280 You've got to have more women. They're still less than 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.880 still less than I mean it's just we we That 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.720 doesn't mean in Milan and I were talking about it earlier. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.960 It's the current track right now, before gender parody is reached. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.040 What do we think it's ready to hundred dealers? Yet 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.960 today I saw a really the pressing article about it 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.640 taking I think it was maybe more than a century 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.000 now to get women into equal positions in computer science. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.880 And it's maybe never they said hundreds or maybe never. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.080 Well that's where I said fast forward. I believe business 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:03.760 models to accelerate things. They need to be simple and scalable. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:05.880 And that's why I say three things I want to 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.800 see see happen to make it that happened, and Susan 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.280 and I are going to dedicate a lot of my 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.600 life that have stepped down from heading up Tupperware to 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:19.680 this with women and children. UH. Number one to really 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:24.440 change the mindset that yes, I believe in social justice, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:30.720 but missed opportunity, the hiding and plain site opportunity of 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.800 the women are out there. You want to include Europe 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.120 and then one point one billion people. There's seven point 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.960 five billion, UH people in the world. That means almost 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.520 four billion women. So number one changed the mindset to 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:49.640 how do I capture this opportunity to get more guys involved. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.640 I mean, just get them involved. And it's not forced involvement, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.680 it's enlightened involvement that they do it because gee, I 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.000 never knew that. Third, and this is a big one. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.680 We've got to find out more platforms that engage women 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.920 in the economy. And I'm taking this outside the US. Okay, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:17.280 there's about four billion women out there. Uh, let's see, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.320 only twenty percent are still of school age. That means 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.000 seventy percent of the women out there, they're never gonna 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.280 get stem. I'm sorry, how do we get them involved? 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.720 And that's why wonderful things I will tell you, Uh, 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.840 things things like Uber have helped them. I've seen women 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.240 who all of a sudden, she was cleaning house, as 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.080 I've told you about that, and then I interviewed her 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.360 and I said, are you making more? She said twice 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.280 as much. I said, would you have to learn? And 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.280 she said, I knew how to drive, I knew the town, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.240 and she went through and all of a sudden it 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.560 empowered her and I went through, always keeping my cell phone. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:06.399 You have to look up sometime qualities not measured by 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.320 cognitive tests and then you're gonna find is. You're gonna 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:18.199 find things like self reliance, empathy, determination, creativity. I mean, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.360 the list goes on, and many of these women who 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.840 are never going to get STEM and are over twenty one, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.480 they're out there. They're waiting to be discovered. That's what 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.679 I love. What we do. I mean, they say at 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.240 Davos they call it the Tupperware effect. You've heard me 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:40.159 ask Mohammadona, is this about how come you got the 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:45.120 Nobel Pride? I said. We micro finance them. You do too. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:51.280 We teach them a business path you don't, okay, and 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.480 then we give them confidence. And when she has confidence 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.879 in this business path, then she feels that confidence and 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.880 she's in power. And when she's empowered, she has influenced. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.320 We gotta find more of these things and create more 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:11.040 of these Airbnb I mean, I keep looking, uh what 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.800 does what does uh eBay really do? It empowers entrepreneurs 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.920 out there. She didn't have to have degrees. I want 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:24.760 to keep finding these things, especially in emerging markets. Long answers, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.600 I'm sorry, No, I mean, I'm sorry subject. I'm sorry 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.639 to the audience because I get the benefit of getting 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.680 to talk to Rick once in a while and we 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.360 only have a few minutes together. So that's ah, that's 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.840 our loss. But I just also want to mention to 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.200 your point about speaking to men and having men in 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.000 the audience. We've been together involved in the Bloomberger Quality Summit, 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.280 which I know P and G is very involved with 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.560 as well and others in the room, and we've been 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.720 involved with the Bloomberger Quality Summit, and I think that 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.479 maybe Stephen Colban is here is one of those good men. UM. 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.760 The reason why we chose to do that was because 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.840 you're reaching you know, sixty million person audience and a 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.240 very large unders them are men. And so today's forum 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.240 is about something different. We're trying to sort of bring 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.439 all of these opportunities and best practices to These are 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.520 all women corporate leaders. These are all literally leaders of 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.080 companies in this room. So we thank you for being here. 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.160 We thank you for representing a men's man's point of view. 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.879 You're always invited to anything Seneca Women and UM and 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.240 hopefully we can learn more about what you're doing in 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:30.720 this next chapter. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Stay 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:39.960 tuned for our takeaways after this break. I hope you 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.240 enjoyed my conversation with Rick Goings. It's always so great 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:48.840 to hear his perspective. My top takeaways. First, as Rick says, 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.280 we need to change mindsets in order to make sure 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.080 that we unlock the true potential of women in the economy. 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.199 This potential is hiding in plain sight, but we need 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.560 to shift our thinking from looking at women as victims 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:04.720 to of viewing them as partners and growth. Second, dynamic 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.840 women have always been the driving force behind gender equality, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.200 but we also need to include men. Rick is a 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.560 great example of a business leader who has understood the 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.000 implications of advancing women in the economy, whether that's by 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.080 providing opportunities for women to start their own businesses, or 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.880 whether that's by supporting women at work through recruiting, mentoring, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.520 and promotion. Lastly, we need to find and support more 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.080 platforms that provide women around the world with earnings opportunities. 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.840 Companies like Etsy, eBay, and even Uber and Left are 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.560 taking a page out of the direct selling handbook and 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.800 providing new opportunities for women to start their own businesses. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.760 You're listening to Seneca Women Conversations on Power and Purpose, 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.000 brought to you by the Seneca Women Podcast Network and 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.359 i Heart Radio with support from founding partner p And 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.760 listen to Seneca Women conversations on power and purpose on 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:03.280 the i Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.720 get your podcasts. And please support this podcast by telling 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.600 your friends, subscribing, and rating us. 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