1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Rex Hereman. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: The name will live forever in infamy, along names like 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Ted Bundy, BTK, buying torture, Kill, Dennis Raider, Timothy McVeigh, 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: Charles Manson. Oh gosh, I could go on. Rex Hereman, 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: the alleged Long Island serial killer awaiting trial. We know 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: what he did to his victims, horrific, horrific murderers after horrific, 7 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: horrific sex torture while his wife and children were out 8 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: of town in a basement dungeon, then burying them so 9 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: he could look at their graves every day when he 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: went to work on Long Island there at Gilgo Beach. 11 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: And that is tonight's Friday Night Special and it is 12 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: very very special. Oh Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 13 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. 14 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: Rex Heureman. Cops say he. 15 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: Is the Long Island serial killer. I believe he can 16 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: be connected and will be connected to many many other 17 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: dead bodies. But for tonight, for our Friday Night Special, 18 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: I hope you're. 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: Sitting down. 20 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: If you look at the faces of all the women 21 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: he allegedly murdered one, two, three, four, five, I mean 22 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: on and on, five, six, seven and counting all these 23 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: women dead at the hands of Rex Hureman. 24 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: What do we know, Nancy? 25 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: As you said, rex Huerman is suspected in and charged 26 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: in multiple gruesome murders of young sex workers on Long Island, 27 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: but now he has been cleared in the strangulation death 28 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: of Colleen McNamee. The twenty year old was beaten, strangled, 29 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: and dumped near William Floyd Parkway in nineteen ninety four. 30 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: DNA testing cleared Hureman in connection with the murder. Quoting 31 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: from the coroner's report, A comparison between cyber Genetics developed 32 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: profile Unknown Male A and the DNA profile of rex 33 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: Huerman was performed. Assuming that the unknown male A profile 34 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: is a mixture without any illegal dropout and strictly based 35 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: on possibly on possible genotypes present in the profile, rex 36 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: Hueerman is excluded as unknown male A end quote. The 37 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: DNA test was conducted following a request by convicted killer 38 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: John Mittrolf. He was convicted in twenty seventeen of killing 39 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: macnamee and Rita Tangridy. Her battered body was found in 40 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three. Birolf tried to pin McNamee's murder on 41 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: Heuerman DNA proved to claim innocent, but in seven other 42 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: cases it is DNA evidence linking Heureman, the accused serial killer, 43 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: to seven other bodies Valerie Mack, Jessica Taylor, Megan Waterman, 44 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: Melissa Barthelmy twenty four, Maureene Brainerd Barnes twenty five, Sandra 45 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: Costilla twenty eight, and Amberlin Costello twenty seven. They were 46 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: murdered between nineteen ninety three and twenty ten. Huerman, a 47 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: Manhattan architect, denied he was behind the gruesome killings. He 48 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: has been held since his arrest without bail. Meanwhile, Biterolf, 49 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: a fifty eight year old former carpenter, is now serving 50 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: fifty years to life for the two murders. 51 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: What exactly do we know about the murders? 52 00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: Rex Huerman uh very well respected architect behind bars in 53 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: the desks of many women, connected in time and location, 54 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: many of them sex workers, all of them daughters, mothers, sisters, girlfriends. 55 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. 56 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: It is one of the most baffling serial murder cases 57 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: in modern American history. Centered on this lonely stretch of 58 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: sand on the south shore. 59 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 5: Of Long Island, New York. 60 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 4: Gilg Be just a small community with a big mystery 61 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: on its hands. The bodies of fifteen brutally murdered young women, 62 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 4: and there seems to be a pattern, many of them 63 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 4: under five feet tall and less than one hundred pounds, 64 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 4: all dumped in the surrounding dunes over a period of 65 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 4: twenty years. 66 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 6: There's been some new developments in the gig investigation. 67 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: Last night, a. 68 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 6: Little bit around a thirty PM in the vicinity of 69 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 6: thirty fifth and fifth Avenue in the city, members assigned 70 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 6: to the Gilgo Beach Task Force did place one individual 71 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 6: under arrest. 72 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 7: After years of searching and fear, years of true crime 73 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 7: hobbyists and their theories, Rex, did you do? 74 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 8: It? 75 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 7: Turned out the suspected Gilgo Beach killer was hiding in 76 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 7: plain sight the whole time. Fifty nine year old Rex Huerman, 77 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 7: a suburban husband, father of two, and copsay the. 78 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 6: A demon that walks among us, a predator that ruined families. 79 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 6: If not for the members of this task force, he 80 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 6: would still be on the streets today, you darn Wright. 81 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: If not for this newly formed task force instituted by 82 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 2: the new elected District Attorney, this guy would still be 83 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: walking free. And I guarantee you would still be killing 84 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: and I've got sacs to support that theory. You were 85 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: just hearing our friends at Crime Watch DLA WABC seven 86 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: and the Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison with me 87 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: an all star panel. But first I want to go 88 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: to a special guest joining us, Anthony M. 89 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: Carter. 90 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: This is the Deputy Police commission in Suffolk County. Deputy Commissioner, Man, 91 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: it's been a long time coming. I want to hear 92 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: your reaction to the arrest of a prominent architect, a father, husband. 93 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard. 94 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: To believe, but you guys have known for some time 95 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: and keeping it on the down low what was happening 96 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: because you had intel. This guy was watching the police's 97 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: every move. 98 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know. It all began when Commissioner Harrison took 99 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 9: office here at the Suffolk County Police Department and one 100 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 9: of his top priorities was the Google Beach investigation, and 101 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 9: he had a vision. As you know, the former chief 102 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 9: of Detective is the NYPD former Chief of Department and 103 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 9: the experience that he had. One of the things he 104 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 9: knew is that we needed to get a fresh look 105 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 9: at the case and we needed to get our law 106 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 9: enforcement partners involved, and Commissioner Harrison created this task force, 107 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 9: called it the Google Beach Task Force, and it comprised 108 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 9: of investigators from the State Police, the District Attorney's office, 109 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 9: the Sheriff's department. 110 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: You know, you cut out on me right there for 111 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: a second, but I think you said the FBI. And 112 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: in the past, before the Knee regime, there was a 113 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: lot of resistance to bringing in the FBI. But when 114 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: you've got women dyeing, going missing and now all these 115 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: bodies turning up unsolved, Hey, you know what, I'm happy 116 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: for all the help I can get every single day. 117 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: So I just canngratulate late you and your Commissioner Harrison 118 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: on this arrest. 119 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: And it was it was a joint effort. You know. 120 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: I like that about you and your boss. 121 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: You don't try to hog the limelight or say it's 122 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: all about you. You really always give the credit to 123 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: everyone involved. And you know, standing by right now, Kristin 124 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: Thorn is with me, very well known investigative reporter to 125 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: be ABC Channel seven eyewitness News host of Hulu's new 126 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: crime show Missing Kristin. It's great to have you and 127 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: you have stood by you and I both have plodded 128 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: around there at the beach looking for clues, trying to 129 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: find answers. 130 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: Can you believe we've finally got an arrest? 131 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, Kristin just in time, because 132 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: this pos technical legal term was caught on camera at 133 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: a cell phone store paying in cash from what I 134 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: can tell, for more burner phone minutes. That's his You 135 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 2: want to tell me this guy's out of business? H 136 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: E double l n oh, he's still at it, Kristin. 137 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,359 Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, And I think that's what's really scary about 138 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 8: this entire situation and why law enforcement decided it was time. Look, 139 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 8: they wanted to have Maureen Brainerd Barnes included in this indictment, 140 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 8: and she is absolutely mentioned in this indictment. 141 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: Well, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, Well, hold on, lady, back 142 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: it up. 143 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: You're going warped four before we can get there. There's 144 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: so many bodies. 145 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: But you often hear of the Gilg four, correct me 146 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: if I'm on, Kristin, But you are correct. The Gilgo 147 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: four were all found in burlap bags, similarly bound naked, 148 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: having been sex assaulted, which really links them together right now, 149 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: This architect, this dad, this husband, is charged with six counts, 150 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: three murders, three felony murder charges, three second degree murder charges, 151 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: three victims, but just a matter of days, I believe, 152 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: before he's charged with the fourth. Then we got to 153 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: deal with all the other dead bodies. But you refer 154 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: to a woman, Brainerd Barnes, Marine, Brainerd Barnes, aged twenty five. 155 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: He's the prime suspect and she's number four in the 156 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: you'll go four? Did I make that clear? 157 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 10: Yeah? 158 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, yes, And so the. 159 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 8: Law enforcement knew that they had to get him now 160 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 8: because they were worried about what he may do next. 161 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 8: What he was looking on his phone. 162 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: I mean, creepy dude, Kristin, creepy dude. You know, my 163 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: daughter and my son, they'll see they're just fifteen. They'll 164 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: see somebody and go, okay, that's a creepy dude right there. 165 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: Tell us Kristin about this creepy dude going up to 166 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 2: a woman in a park setting in the last couple 167 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: of months and completely scheving her out. 168 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 8: He was walking around and she was in the woods 169 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 8: as a nice wooded park and massive people park, and 170 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 8: she was walking around and he, as she says, came 171 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 8: up behind him and was asking about her boyfriend. And 172 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 8: you know, he's a very big man. 173 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 11: Six'. 174 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Four, hey what do you put him? At Anthony? 175 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: Carter, Guys i'm speaking To Anthony, carter but he is 176 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: the deputy Police. COMMISSIONER i, Mean i'm acting Like i'm 177 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: sitting here having a cup of coffee with this. Guy 178 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: he's been on this from the get, go since he 179 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: came in and they formed a new task. 180 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: Force how much does this guy? Way what'd you put him? 181 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: At two? 182 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 9: Forty, YEAH i mean he's a very large. INDIVIDUAL i 183 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 9: would definitely, say, yeah right around there around that two 184 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 9: hundred and forty pound. Mark very just very just an, 185 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 9: oversized you, know very large. Man and you know, YEAH i, 186 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 9: MEAN i know everybody's seen that YouTube, video you, know 187 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 9: and where he's towering over the person that's conducting the 188 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 9: interview with. 189 00:11:51,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: Him Crime stores With Nancy grace in the last days 190 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: In New York State Supreme Court justice rules DAMNING DNA 191 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: ev it's tying Rex huerman to the murders of many 192 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: women whose remains are found Near Gilgo beach will come 193 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: in to. TRIAL i just think about. It these are 194 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: the bodies we know, about are there other. BODIES i 195 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: would be very surprised if there were. Not Doctor Bessie, 196 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: marshall you go up to a woman in a, park 197 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: sneak up behind her and, go, hey who's your? 198 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: BOYFRIEND i would run. 199 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 10: Anthy what it tells me is that he was constantly 200 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 10: trolling for, victims and as a part of trolling for, 201 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 10: victims he had this whole list of. QUESTIONS i, mean 202 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 10: number one would, be, hey do you have a? 203 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 12: Boyfriend who's your? 204 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 10: Boyfriend the reason for that is who is he going 205 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 10: to have to separate the woman from is does she have? 206 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 10: Family does she of people who's interested in? Her and if, 207 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 10: so it's going to make it more difficult to kidnap 208 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 10: sex assault. Her, secondly he's looking for women who are quite, 209 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 10: short who are petite women he can easily handle, easily you, 210 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 10: know kidnap and transport from one area to. Another and 211 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 10: then he actually probably has many other aspects of his 212 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 10: victim profile that are going to come out during the 213 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 10: course of this, investigation especially as it pertains to his online. 214 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 10: Searches maybe under h kids, twinks who was one of 215 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 10: the THINGS i? 216 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: Heard you, know young, Height, well what was the last 217 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: thing you said. Twinks you need to tell everybody what that. Means. 218 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 10: OKAY a twink is a young man who looks very, 219 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 10: feminine usually, underweight very, small and the old fashioned work 220 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 10: for them as. Twinks so that was one of his 221 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 10: victim profiles that he was looking for with these kinds 222 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 10: of young. 223 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: Men, hey, guys this includes, You Kristin, Thorne Toby, Wilson Todd, 224 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: Shipley Joe Scott, Morgan Deputy Commissioner, Carter Doctor Bethany, genre 225 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: the lawyer for the family Of Shannon. Gilbert she may 226 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: not be connected To, hureman we don't know that, yet 227 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: but it's because of her that all of these bodies were. 228 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: Found she's. 229 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: Dead she was killed there On Long, island AND i 230 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: believe it hadn't been for her body being, discovered we 231 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: may never have found the other. Bodies that, said everybody 232 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: jump in whenever you have a. Thought but you hear 233 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany marshall correctly describing the fact of These google 234 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: searches we have just learned. 235 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: About the, police of course knew about it with. 236 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: Me Todd, shipley cybercrime, expert author of Investigating internet. Crimes 237 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: you can find him at Dark intaeil dot. Info, todd 238 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: just follow, up please with what Doctor bethany just said 239 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: about this guy's Perverted google. 240 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: Searches i'm sure you saying them, right. 241 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 5: SURE i think what's important is the fact that that 242 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 5: was available once they identified the suspect and they were 243 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 5: able to go To google and subpoena them because they 244 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 5: did over three hundred subpoenas early. On so there's a 245 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 5: lot of information that we still don't know about. Yet 246 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 5: but once they started looking at this, guy was pretty 247 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 5: evident that he was the, one because the searches were 248 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 5: evident looking for information about the. Case he was trying 249 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: to find out what the law enforcement agencies knew about 250 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 5: him and what they were divulging online and how much 251 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 5: information was, there and he was doing you, know his 252 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 5: dating and all the other things that go along with 253 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 5: what was. Happening so it was pretty, apparent you, know 254 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: once they started looking at his searches that this was 255 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 5: a person of interest for. Them and it's pretty telling 256 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 5: that there's that much information about us when we started 257 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 5: thinking about you, know evidence online and what we. 258 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: Do you know, what, yes perfectly put but IF i 259 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: were putting this to a, Jury i'd say it's something 260 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: more like blonde girl crying being, Raped black slave girl 261 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: being Raped america's five. 262 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: Most notorial old. 263 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: Cases why Hasn't Long island serial killer been? Caught why 264 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: could law enforcement not trace calls made By Long island serial? 265 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: KILLER i, mean who would know to ask that particular 266 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: question except for. 267 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: The Long island serial killer. 268 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: EXACTLY i mean WHEN i would think about The Long 269 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: island serial, KILLER i would have so many, thoughts so many. 270 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: Questions BUT i didn't know at the time because people 271 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: Like Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter kept it so secret as 272 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: he should. HAVE i didn't know about the use of burner. 273 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: Phones well somebody. Did this guy was looking up why 274 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: can't they trace his burner? 275 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: Phones? 276 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 5: NO i mean that's specifically what they ended up doing 277 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 5: is if you look at how they started pieces, together 278 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 5: which was brilliant by the agents that were involved and. 279 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 5: Officers they started to find those pieces and they started 280 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 5: to relate, to you, know proving the negative who was 281 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 5: around those burner phones when they had the geolocations that 282 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 5: they had from ten years, ago and so the fact 283 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 5: they went back and looked at all that evidence and 284 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 5: started to prove that the target was close, by you 285 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 5: know those same phone calls was a brilliant move to 286 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 5: prove that he did, it and then they were able 287 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 5: to go back after you, know his phones himself and 288 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 5: starting to look at what's. There now what's going to 289 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: be interesting too is the digital evidents that they find 290 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 5: in the search of his. HOUSE i can't wait to 291 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 5: see what they found in his computer because that's going 292 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 5: to be telling. 293 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: Too other, searches AND i want to go To John, 294 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: ray the family lawyer for Victim Shannon. GILBERT i know 295 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: That shannon's family has been, tortured especially when they say 296 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: this guy's, searches which say things like blonde haired, girl, 297 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: young depressed teen, girl oiled, bodies nude slave. GIRLS i 298 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: have to leave out some of this because EVEN i 299 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't say it blank shot and, crying porn, girl, hogtide, torture, 300 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: porn skinny, redhead tied up, porn, short fat, girl tied up, 301 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: porn tied up and, raped porn as Doctor bethany poor 302 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: in it, Out asian, twink tied, up, porn tied, slave force. 303 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: Fed, Okay i'm not gonna finish that. 304 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: ONE i, mean teen girl begging for, rape, porn pretty 305 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: girl with bruised face. 306 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: Porn my mouth feels. FILTHY i need to go wash 307 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: it out with. Soap this was what is on His google. 308 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: Searches John. 309 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: Ray Now shannon's family has to read this and only 310 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: imagine What shannon may have or the other victims put up, 311 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: with what they end or what they lived or before they. 312 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: DIED i want to. 313 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 11: VOMIT i can play everybody DOES i think this, monster 314 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 11: this giant monster WHO i characterize As Tyrannosaurus, rex his 315 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 11: image is now frozen in the minds of The gilbert. 316 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 11: Family AND i also Represent Jessica taylor's family and the 317 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 11: Same they have the same. 318 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: Reaction twenty year Old Jessica taylor also found there along the. 319 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 11: Beach go, Ahead, Yeah and these families haven't this image 320 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 11: now that's frozen in their mind that he is a. 321 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 11: Killer there's no way to be sure that he had 322 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 11: anything to do With Shannon gilbert at this point where 323 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 11: we're looking hard at. That but as we, speak but you, 324 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 11: know just the image itself of what, happened and when 325 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 11: you take what we do know of what happened To 326 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 11: shannon that the, night that early morning that she, disappeared 327 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 11: we know that she was under a threat from somebody like, 328 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 11: him either he himself or somebody like, him and there 329 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 11: is probably more than one of. Them but we're still 330 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 11: very optimistic now and delighted That Ray tiern needed a 331 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 11: district attorney And Rodney, harrison the police, commissioner finally may 332 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 11: put together the agencies that weren't working together so that 333 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 11: this can be. Done so we're looking. Forward we think 334 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 11: that it's a really good chance That Tarannosaurus rex killed 335 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 11: the others as, well because he was a hunter and. 336 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 11: Hunters he was a proficient. Hunter they have tools and 337 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,239 Speaker 11: they take apart their, animals so he's certainly capable of 338 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 11: having dismembered these others that are, there, so of, course 339 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 11: and you. 340 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 2: Know another, Issue Kristin thorn joining, me investigative reporter of 341 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: THE abc star Of hulu's true crime, Show Missing kristin 342 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: just because he ran out of burrow at, Bags, okay 343 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: that does not mean he's not connected to all the other. 344 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: Bodies And i'm telling, You, kristin there are more. Victims 345 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: there are more, victims. 346 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 11: You, Know. 347 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 8: NANCY i think what concerns me and what has kept 348 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 8: me up at night the last few days since this 349 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 8: happened is not, necessarily of, course the remains that are 350 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 8: still left to the six other remains there Along Ocean 351 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 8: parkway On Long, Island but it's the women we haven't 352 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 8: heard about, yet, Right, so in some of the Cases 353 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 8: i've covered in my, SHOW i had some, concerns AND 354 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 8: i do hope that they will be using some of 355 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 8: THE dna evidence that they have to look at some 356 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 8: of these other women who have disappeared in The Tri state, 357 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 8: area WHO i believe in their family believes were victims of, 358 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 8: violence one in, particular who was worked in the same 359 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 8: line of work as the other. Women and so that's 360 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 8: what concerns. Me who is out there the women or anybody, 361 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 8: else because we haven't yet identified his, profile right we 362 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 8: know about The Gilg, war but we don't know who 363 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 8: else he may have been interested in killing or where 364 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 8: his interest to quote unquote. Lie CAN i make a 365 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 8: comment about, That, yeah jump. 366 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: In BUT i need to go To Anthony carter about 367 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: what they're doing right, Now, bethany hold on just a, 368 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: Moment Deputy Commissioner, CARTER i pray To god In heaven 369 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: that this new task, force And i'm sure you're not 370 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: going to tell me is comparing HIS dna to every 371 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: OTHER dna that's been found in let's just say The 372 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 2: Tri state, area because once these bodies were, discovered you, 373 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: know he found another dumping, ground all, right comparing HIS, 374 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: dna looking at who else he's been calling. 375 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: On his, many, many many burner phones. 376 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: And figuring out where he was seen in That chevy, 377 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: avalanche WHICH i want to ask, You Deputy. COMMISSIONER i 378 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: happen to know that the avalanche discontinued manufacture in twenty. 379 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: Thirteen yet here's an avalanche part outside his, PLACE i 380 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: believe a relative's. Place an avalanche was seen at one 381 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: of the victims'. Homes let me THINK i believe it 382 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: Was Amber. 383 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Costello long story. 384 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: SHORT i can go on and on and on About, 385 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: wow here's the avalanche part outside his, home a few 386 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: miles away from where the bodies are, found and a 387 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: witness place is an avalanche at one of the victims'. 388 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: Homes how come it took so? Long but that is 389 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: something for me to chew apart on another. Day JUST 390 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: i want to know that HIS dna is being compared 391 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: to OTHER, dna especially in That Tri state. 392 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 9: Area, no and that's a great that's a great. Question 393 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 9: and the one thing that maybe some some out there 394 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 9: may think that you, know the arrest was, Made we 395 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 9: arrested this subject that the task force, has you, know 396 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 9: concluded their investigation and is going to go ahead and 397 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 9: just look At. Rex the, investigation the task force is 398 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 9: going to remain intact and they are going to continue 399 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 9: gathering evidence in both With rex and the Go Go 400 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 9: beach investigation is far from. 401 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: Over And, Okay i'm going to take that as a. 402 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes even though you're not saying, Yes i'm taking it 403 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: as a. 404 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 9: Yes you say to examine every piece of. Evidence that's, right, 405 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 9: though absolutely. 406 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: Speaking of every piece of, evidence let's take a look at. 407 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: It we can talk about them that all the women, 408 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: work many of them contacted On. Craigslist they were sex. 409 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: Workers they were found dead in the same, way physical. 410 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: Similarities all these four put in burl at bags disposed 411 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: of on a lonely stretch of beach about twenty plus 412 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: minutes away from his home At Massapaker. Park but what 413 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: about the, evidence the heart. Evidence take a listen to 414 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: our cut three g are friends AT abc. 415 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 7: Seven prosecutors say the smoking gun was a piece to 416 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 7: crust police dug Through huerman's trash MATCHING dna from a 417 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 7: partially eaten slice to previously unidentified hairs found on three 418 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 7: of The gilgo. Victims today they Booked heureman on murder, 419 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 7: chargers accused in the deaths Of Melissa Barthelemy Megan waterman 420 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 7: And Amber Lynn, costello and he's a prime suspect in 421 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 7: the death of a fourth, MARINE Brainerd. 422 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: Barnes, okay let's talk about the HARD dna evidence evidence 423 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: from a. Hair one of those hairs was found at 424 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: the bottom of one of the burlat bags that one 425 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: of the victims were discarded. 426 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: In also apparently correct me If i'm, wrong jump on 427 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: at Kirsten. 428 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: Thorn three victims had the defendant's wife's hair on, them 429 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: obviously a transfer from her to him and from him 430 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: onto the. Victim so that's at least four p OF 431 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: dna that we know. Of then one of the victims 432 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: to tie up with a leather, belt hopefully MAYBE dna 433 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: TOUCH dna was taken off of. That AM i missing ANY? 434 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: Dna Kristin, no that sounds, okay that. 435 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 8: Is absolutely, Correct BUT i would love to talk about 436 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 8: the wife's. 437 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: Hair, sure Because i've got a professor of forensics with 438 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 2: me and a for forensic consultant specializing IN dna waiting 439 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: to jump on this because this this is going to 440 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: get him in addition to all of the circumstantial. Evidence tell, Me, 441 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: kristin here's. 442 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 8: Here's my, question AND i would love to hear from, 443 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 8: You nancy and from your experts to. Me finding the 444 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 8: wife's hair on one victim would have been interesting to 445 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 8: find it on. Three i'm trying to, actually you, know 446 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 8: when you try to, think how does this? Happen how 447 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 8: does the wife's hair end up on each? Time and, 448 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 8: AGAIN i am not implying anything about. Her i'm trying 449 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 8: to actually go through how this. Happened does anybody have 450 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 8: any thoughts on? 451 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: THAT i got a, thought But i'll bring in the 452 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: experts a transfer just Like i'm. Okay just a few minutes, 453 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: ago right before we went to, air my co Worker, 454 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 2: sydney handed me a big stack of papers to go 455 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: through about three minutes before we, started and she leaned 456 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: over me with her long blind hair AND i. TURNED 457 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: i guarantee you some piece of hair or some something 458 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: brushed up against my jacket and it's. 459 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: There. 460 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: Okay you know who loves talking about This Joe Scott, 461 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: morgan he loves what's Your you have some quote you 462 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: always start. 463 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: With, Why, Okay i'll let you tell. 464 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: It Joe Scott morgan with, Me Professor, Frensis Jacksonville State, 465 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: university And i've got to tell You i've been to 466 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: their crim pro building and. 467 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: Facilities that's an incredible. 468 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: Program Joe, scott author Of Blood Beneath My feet and 469 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: host of a hit Series Body, bags With Joe Scott. 470 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: Morgan go, Ahead no action doesn't leave the? 471 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: Trays, well, la, la what's the rest of? 472 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 12: That the cards, principle every contact leaves a, trace and 473 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 12: it is the cornerstone that we work from in, forensics 474 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 12: and it's that axiom is over one hundred years old 475 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 12: and it still. 476 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: Applies tell, It Joe, scott preach. It preach, it, father 477 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 2: because this tie. 478 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 1: Is going down because of THIS. Dna and WHEN i 479 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: think of. 480 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: These computer searches at, him acting out those, horrible, horrible 481 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: evil computer, searches all of these ladies to hell with. Him, 482 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: NOW i got to figure out a way to prove. 483 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: It hit. 484 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 12: It let me give you a hellscape, here AND i 485 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 12: think that it exists in that. House and this is 486 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 12: my supposition. Here you, know we were speaking just a 487 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 12: moment ago about the transfer of the wife's. Hair you 488 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 12: know you Mentioned sydney in the, studio but what space 489 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 12: do you guys, Share probably on a daily basis when 490 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 12: you're laying down, sound it's in that, studio, Okay so 491 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 12: within that environment you kind of coexist in that. ENVIRONMENT 492 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 12: i am very, Curious, nancy relative to the, accused where 493 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 12: any of these victims brought back to this. 494 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: Home that's such a good, Idea Joe, scott because Remember Joe, 495 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: scott many of these and jump In Anthony, Carter Deputy, 496 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: commissioner And Kristen thorne because you may know better Than 497 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: Joe scott AND i many of these murders occurred while 498 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: his wife was, gone and she has very distinct. 499 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: Hair she Is, icelandic so HER dna is going to 500 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: be very. 501 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: Identifiable and this is MITOCHONDRIAL, dna which comes from your mother. 502 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 2: Only so anybody jump in with a thought In, BETHANY i, 503 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: Promise i'm circling. 504 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: Back this Is. 505 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 13: Toby first of, all the, HAIR i was a friend Of. 506 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 13: Charac i'm there for a short. Time, also the average 507 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 13: person that has hair loses about one hundred hairs at 508 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 13: a day, randomly so the hair connection on just the 509 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 13: one victim would be, coincident could be yelled called. Coincidence 510 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 13: on three, victims it becomes more of a. Pattern but 511 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 13: the locations of the hair is because of. That if 512 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 13: she rode in the, avalanche if it was on his, 513 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 13: clothing if he took any of the victims, home all 514 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 13: those are reasonable explanations for where the hair is that 515 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 13: THE dna was done on came from because of the 516 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 13: fact that we lose hair so, easily so that, connection you, 517 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 13: know is more open to. Interpretation where you come, from 518 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 13: it's very probable because he transported, them or may have 519 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 13: transported them in the, avalanche that the hairs were on 520 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 13: him or in that vehicle and that's where the transfer. 521 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 13: Occurred or if the be you, know Burlied baggs came 522 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 13: from his, home they could have been transferred. There but 523 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 13: hair transfers are a common, thing and you, know it 524 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 13: makes it harder to interpret what's going on because of 525 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 13: how common it. 526 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: Is BUT i agree with you you're Hearing Toby wolson forends 527 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: that consultant specializing IN dna zerology bloodstain at no slow 528 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 2: forensic Dot. Com, well he's, right of, Course Joe Scott. 529 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: Morgan but three, hairs As Kristin thorn pointed, out each 530 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: one on a different. VICTIM i want to explore your 531 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: theory that these victims may have been taken to his. 532 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: HOME i, mean when you've got three hairs on three different, 533 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: victims the only thing the defense can do now is 534 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: an aj defense it was. 535 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: PLANTED i, mean let me hear your, theory Jo. 536 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 12: Scott, well this is one thing That i'm very encouraged 537 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 12: by and that these folks are, doing is THAT i 538 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 12: saw these images on the news of the, police the 539 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 12: investigators going in and out of that home And. NANCY 540 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 12: i hope they retain this place and take it down 541 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 12: to the damn studs that everything that they can harvest 542 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 12: out of that environment from an evidentary standpoint is going 543 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 12: to be. Acquired here's one more, thing And i'll be. 544 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 12: QUIET i don't. 545 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: Want you to be. QUIET i love everything you're. 546 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 12: Saying it's something that really sent a chill up up my. 547 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 12: Spine and maybe it's maybe it's a wild goose, chase 548 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 12: but this one, VICTIM i was looking at this charging 549 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 12: document that's mentioned the Miss, Marine Brainerd. Barnes and one 550 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 12: thing that kind of sent a chill up my spine 551 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 12: was that This burner phone that the accused, had or 552 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 12: that he is alleged to have, had had contacts With 553 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 12: marine's phone sixteen Times nancy over a period of time 554 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 12: From july to sixth Or july the. Ninth, okay they 555 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 12: have her phone finally dropping off the face for a, 556 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 12: while and there's like a couple of days lag. There 557 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 12: but then here's the chilling. Part he apparently the perpetrator 558 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 12: opened her phone up again and began to check her. 559 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 12: Messages let me ask you, Something, nancy would you just 560 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 12: blindly give without any kind of fighting? Back would you 561 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 12: give somebody the code to your cell phone to check your? 562 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 12: MESSAGES i, MEAN i KNOW i. WOULDN'T i don't know 563 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,239 Speaker 12: about the other folks on the. Panel but how did 564 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 12: he get that information from her in order to get 565 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 12: in to her voicemail to check? It if that is? 566 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 12: True what they're a, legend and that to me is. 567 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 12: Chilling that to me shows that he may have been 568 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 12: in control of that person in. Particular about the rest of, 569 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 12: THEM i have no. 570 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: Idea, well All i've got to do is look at 571 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: His google search As Joe scott and, figure AND i 572 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: can tell, YOU i mean he looks up a hog 573 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: time raping woman and obviously he is fixated on. TORTURE i, 574 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: Mean Dr Bethy, marshall you don't say that kind Of 575 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 2: google search every. Day And i've looked at plenty of 576 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: people's computers in their. 577 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 10: Searches, no absolutely. Not and to frame our, discussion if 578 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 10: you think of this guy as a combination of an 579 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 10: obsessive sex addict who thrives off power and inflicting pain 580 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 10: in order to enhance his sexual, arousal his victim profile 581 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 10: is going to keep, changing and he goes to more 582 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 10: and more extreme types of pornography and more different types 583 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 10: of victims in order to enhance his sexual. Arousal so 584 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 10: maybe he starts with someone with it in his own, 585 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 10: race an age. Mate then he goes to a younger, 586 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 10: person than a smaller, person than a bigger, person than a, 587 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 10: man than a, woman than a. Child and SO i 588 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 10: think that the complication and why the investigation is going 589 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 10: to have to folk with so much on the data 590 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 10: and the. Science if this guy is going to find 591 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 10: anything in order to increase his sexual, arousal and not 592 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 10: just finding different, victims but stalking, them toying with, them 593 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 10: perhaps taking them back to his. House this is not 594 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 10: a one and done kind of guy where maybe someone 595 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 10: looks at, pornography, masturbates closes the. Computer this is a 596 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 10: guy who's going to get as much sexual satisfaction out 597 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 10: of any one victim as. Possible so it's multiple assaults 598 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 10: against one victim over an extended period of. 599 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 2: Time which goes back To Joe Scott morgan's theory that 600 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: some of the victims may have been taken to the 601 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 2: home because an extended period of, time assault probably would 602 00:35:49,480 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 2: not take place in a vehicle A Chevy. Avalanche Time 603 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 2: stories With Nancy. GRACE i know the condition in which 604 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 2: these bodies were, found but what do we know about 605 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 2: Human Deputy. COMMISSIONER i don't know if you can comment on, 606 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: this but can you describe how HIS. 607 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: Dna was obtained off a pizza crust during? 608 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 9: Surveillance you, know he was being observed and there was 609 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 9: an opportunity where he had discarded A i guess like 610 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 9: a small personal pizza box into a garbage in the, 611 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 9: city and our undercovers were able to retrieve that box 612 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 9: and just to go back on a point to you, 613 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 9: know whether you know his home may have been involved 614 00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 9: in the location of of the. Homicides the one thing 615 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 9: that we can say is that it's not a coincidence 616 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 9: that his wife and family were away in three of the. 617 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 9: Murders and we're taking you, know LIKE i, said active. 618 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 9: Investigation we're at the. HOME i think somebody had mentioned 619 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 9: on the call here that we're taking the. House we 620 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 9: should take the, help AND i think that is the 621 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 9: plan to get every piece of evidence that we can 622 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 9: possibly get while we're inside of that home with. 623 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 2: Me Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter From Suffolk County, POLICE i 624 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 2: had to tell you, Something Deputy. Commissioner i'm the first 625 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 2: one to scream when police screw up an investigation because 626 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 2: it hurts me as a former prosecutor and a crime victim. 627 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 2: Myself BUT i am so impressed with your surveillance of, 628 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: hereman your identification of. HIM i know it's been a 629 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 2: long time, coming but this is a fresh homicide task. 630 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 2: Force this is a whole new look because this case 631 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 2: was ignored by prior. Administrations you guys come in there 632 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 2: like a barn on. Fire you find this. Guy you surveil. 633 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 2: Him you really look at the. Evidence then you catch 634 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: him discarding a pizza crust and get HIS dna which 635 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: matches up to OTHER. Dna you get his WIFE'S. Dna 636 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: do we have any? Idea can you comment on how 637 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 2: you did? 638 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: That Deputy? 639 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 9: Commissioner so same you, know same methodology in trying to 640 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 9: attain abandon. Examples you, know very similar fashion where we 641 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 9: were able to obtain recycled cans from their, look you, 642 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 9: know from where they. 643 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 1: Live so that's how you got the WIFE'S. Dna that's. 644 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 2: Correct, wow there's so MUCH i hardly know which way to. 645 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 2: Go but let me understand, Something Kristin, thorne anybody on 646 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: the panelan is the answer to? This the Way i'm 647 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: reading the affidavit and other, information was this idiot actually 648 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 2: traveling with A burner phone and his own private mobile 649 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 2: phone together Like. Coyburger you know you can see him 650 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: traveling away from the crime. 651 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: Scene did that? Happen does anybody? 652 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 8: Know, well we know that they certainly there. Are they 653 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 8: certainly tracked the burner phones relationship and location Near Massapequa 654 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 8: park as well as His midtown, office and they called 655 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 8: that the box that was. There the points that they 656 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 8: used to, triangulate although in that word it would be three, 657 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 8: sides but the box would be four to really you, 658 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 8: know pinpoint that his, locations where he, was where he, 659 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 8: lives where he, worked we're also coordinating with the hits 660 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 8: from these burner. 661 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: Phones, okay break that down, too regular people. 662 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 5: Talk this is Todd SO i think what significance is 663 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 5: what you're, saying and what they alleged in the court 664 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 5: documents is that they found no instance where the suspect 665 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 5: was in a separate location from the other cell phones 666 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 5: when the communications occurred when he was talking to them 667 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 5: from the burner, phones and so at that significant that 668 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 5: they tied them together from those sotellar, records that his 669 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 5: phone was there and the burner phone was. There in 670 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 5: instances outside of the, calls his, phone you, know was not. 671 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 5: There so it's pretty. 672 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 2: Significant, okay that is entirely significant To Anthony, CARTER Wy police. 673 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: Commissioner what do you make of that? 674 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 9: Theory, so you, KNOW i think when we talk about 675 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 9: some of the locations that we talked, about you, know 676 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 9: the burner phones versus his phone and trying to tie 677 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 9: that all, IN i think it was you, know it 678 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 9: was challenging because we, look we're looking at an area 679 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 9: of over fifteen hundred homes that also included a portion 680 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 9: of The Massapeaker, preserve and that also then opens up 681 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 9: which are hitting those cell towers to people that may 682 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 9: or may not even live in Massi, pequa may or 683 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 9: may not even live In Nasa. County SO i mean 684 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 9: that is one of the things behind the exhaustive effort 685 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 9: committed by the members and the Task force to try 686 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 9: to drill down and get the right information and the 687 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 9: right evidence to move us forward in the. 688 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 2: Case Christen thorn W Abc channel, seven what can you 689 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 2: tell me about recent revelations of a storage unit a. 690 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 8: Search so we know that there's an active investigation right 691 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 8: now around a storage unit On Long, island and for 692 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 8: all we know and we believe that it is connected 693 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 8: to this. Investigation you, KNOW i think what they're going 694 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 8: to be looking. For AND i also noticed in the 695 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 8: indictment and we talk about his house and how they 696 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 8: do need to and are going to tear apart that, 697 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 8: house there were items missing from the, victims so, jewelry 698 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 8: some pieces of. Clothing those are things that would probably 699 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 8: be familiar to the family that the family told them 700 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 8: she used to always wear this, necklace this. Bracelet that's 701 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 8: very common we, find and so those things were, missing 702 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 8: and so those are the things that they're going to 703 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 8: be looking for in the house and in this potential storage. 704 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 2: Unit this is rapidly, Developing but for right, now what 705 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 2: do we? 706 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 3: Know breaking today in The Long island serial killer, case 707 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 3: and arrest has been made in the death Of Tanya 708 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 3: jackson and her two year old, Daughter Tatiana. Dikes that 709 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 3: case had been connected to human but he had not 710 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 3: been charged for. Years she was simply known As peaches 711 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 3: because of a distinctive tattoo on her. Body Andrew, dikes sixty, 712 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 3: six has now appeared before A florida judge in connection 713 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 3: with The. Cays dikes is believed to be the father Of. 714 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 3: Tatiyana authorities are petitioning for his extradition To New. 715 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 2: York the staggering number of bodies found is going to 716 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 2: overwhelm any. Jarar but it's the, truth and you cannot 717 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 2: hide the truth from a. 718 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: Jury we wait as justice. Unfolds goodbye, friend