1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Mark Moss Show. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: As we're always talking about the decentralized revolution, we're talking 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: about de globalization, we're talking about the way the world 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: is breaking apart, and of course we look at it 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: through the lens of politics, finance, and technology. And you know, 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: I've been doing this show now for about two years 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: hitting these topics, talking about this deglobalization, and of course 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: I use history as our guide. I use cycles of 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: history as our guide. And it's a lot of times 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: I get people asking me, like, Mark, you keep saying 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: this is going to happen. When is it going to happen? 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: And I say, well, it is happening. It's a process 13 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: and we're going through it. But never have we seen 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: it more pressing and more real than what we're seeing 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: right now. And I say that with knowing that the 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: last couple of years have been crazy. I mean really 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: things really started taking off with the pandemic. Obviously, this 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: authoritarian push caused this outline, and this was just sort 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: of this cause and effect, and we had this authoritarian 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: push around the world to lock everything down and control everything, 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: which then caused lots of things to happen but I 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: want to just pause for a second and let you 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: know what we're going to talk about today. So we're 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 1: talking about today how the world has continued to break apart, 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: specifically with the wars happening in the Middle East, and 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: I want to break down I've been sort of somewhat 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: silent on this because well, as I did talk about 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: it in a YouTube video, but I've been somewhat silent 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: about this because, oh, it's so hard to know what 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: is going on. You can easily counter either side, you 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: can blame either side, you can counter the counter of 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: the counter of either side. You can keep going deeper 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: and deeper and deeper. And I didn't feel that one 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: I knew where the truth was, and two I didn't 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: feel like I had anything very constructive to say. But 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: now that it's been going on for a while, I've 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: been digging into it way more than I maybe should 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: or need to. And I have some more stuff today, 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: and I want to come and I want to talk 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: about this new world war that's about to begin. And 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to use history as our guide. So we're 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: going to talk about what's going on in the Middle East, 43 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: but we're going to go through it from a historical perspective, 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: so we could try to understand where we're at today 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: from a let's say, a neutral lens, and then think 46 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: about how this fits into the glo the greater global 47 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: conflict that we're seeing, and again back into this deglobalization 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: or decentralization that we're talking about. All right, so that's 49 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about now. Like I said, 50 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: things really seem to take off during the pandemic, but 51 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: really it actually started happening before that. So in December 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,279 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, there were ten countries in the world 53 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: with over one million people each in the streets protesting. Okay, 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: so a lot of this pushback, this US against them, 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: the people versus the government, seems to have started during 56 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: this pandemic, like I said, when this authoritarian regime really 57 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: started to kind of put the pressure on governments around 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: the world. But really, like I said, it actually in 59 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: December tween nineteen, ten countries had a million people each protesting. 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: So it's been one on for a while, and it's 61 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: because of this pendulum that swings back and forth. I've 62 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: been talking about, Now, how does this fit into this 63 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: greater context. Well, now we have this authoritarian push people, 64 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: and really it was sort of this uh, this last 65 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: grasp of power that these states won have. And you know, 66 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: per Klaud Schwab's own words and not his own words, 67 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: his own book. Klaus Schwab is the head of the 68 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: World Economic Forum. If you're listening to the show hum, 69 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know that by now. But he wrote 70 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: a book called the Great Reset, that's what he called it. 71 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: It's his book, go read it. And he said that 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: we should take advantage of this opportunity to reimagine, to 73 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: reset the world, to build it new. And of course 74 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: they certainly tried to do that. And since then we've 75 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: just seen this continue to escalate. Things really started to 76 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: escalate in Canada when when the trucker started to protest 77 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: against that. Things really started to escalate. With the Russia 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: Ukraine situation. Of course, now we still have the China 79 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Taiwan situation. We're going to talk about that later. And 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: now in the Middle East things are breaking apart. But 81 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: like I said, I wanted to kind of go back 82 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: through history so you can have a better understanding of 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: what is going on there and where we're going. And 84 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: again I like to use history because it gives us 85 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: better context of what's going on and right now, what 86 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: I would like to see personally is peace. I think 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: most people would like to see peace. Now, there's certainly 88 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: people on both sides that want to kill each other. 89 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: There's certainly that, but I think the majority of people 90 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: in the world just want peace. The question is how 91 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: do we get there? And so that's what we're going 92 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: to take a look at. We first have to understand 93 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: that in order to get peace, and this is just 94 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: conflict resolution one on one, in order to get peace, 95 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: both sides have to be able to put themselves in 96 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: other people's shoes. Both sides have to be willing to 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: see both sides of the conflict. And unfortunately, that's something 98 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: that mainstream media just doesn't seem to want to facilitate. 99 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Mainstream media doesn't want to facilitate it. I think there's 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: members on both sides of the government or all the 101 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: governments that don't want to facilitate this for any number 102 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: of reasons that we can go into. But in order 103 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: to get to peace, that has to happen. You know, 104 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: if I'm in a if I'm in a conflict with 105 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: a relationship with my wife or with a friend. I 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: have to be willing to stop and put myself into 107 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: their shoes. I have to be willing to have empathy 108 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: and think about where they're coming from. They have to 109 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: be willing to do the same. We both have to 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: be willing to make concessions, and we both have to 111 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: be willing to sort of let go of the past 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: or we'll never be able to move forward. That's just 113 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: how it works. This is not rocket science here like 114 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: this is this is This is how it works, and 115 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: so in order to have peace, that's what's going to 116 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: have to happen. But for all of the armchair pundits 117 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: that are getting triggered by what they're seeing at college 118 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: campuses or whatever news channel you're watching, or people jump 119 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: into conclusions, and especially social media. Now I'm certainly going 120 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: to make a case. I was going to do another 121 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: episode today. We'll come back with this probably next week 122 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: on how a lot of this war is actually pushing 123 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: forward this authoritarian agenda, which is censorship of speech. Okay, 124 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: so we know that the end goal is total control 125 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: over our money, over our energy, over our food, and 126 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: that as we get further and further along, there's more 127 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: push back to that and so as the powers that 128 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: be continue to lose their narrative because of the Internet 129 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: has given us this freedom of speech and social media stuff, 130 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: the only way they can continue to hold onto that 131 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: power is through censoring our ability to well just censoring, 132 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: sensoring our ability to have free speech, and which is 133 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: then sensoring our ability to think because now we don't 134 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: have ideas, and also censoring our money. So I want 135 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: to do a whole show on that. We'll come back 136 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: to that next week. Let me know in the comments 137 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: if you actually want me to do that, because it's 138 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: a big, big, big lift and I haven't fully committed yet. 139 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: If I want to do that, so let me know, 140 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: hit me up on social media, let me know if 141 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: you want me to do. How this war is really 142 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: being used to push in more censorship, and not just 143 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. As a matter of fact, just 144 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: today at the time of this recording, I saw a 145 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: news article that came out that in Ukraine they're moving 146 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: to get rid of all the Orthodox Christian churches there, 147 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: censoring people's religious freedom in Ukraine. So that's really what 148 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: war is about. It's about censoring. It's happened in the 149 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: United States as well, we've had laws against the free 150 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: speech in the United States as well, so that's certainly 151 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: something that's happening. But what I did, I went down 152 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: that rabbit hole. The reason why I went down that 153 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: rabbit hole is because social media. As much as I 154 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: do not want to censor it, I want to continue 155 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: to have free speech. Because of the short nature of 156 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: what we see on social media, we're able to quickly 157 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: take things out of context, and we're able to quickly 158 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: jump onto one side of a narrative or another, and 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: without the context, we can make good informed decisions. Right. 160 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: And so again I'm not for censoring it, but mainstream media, 161 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: the governments, the mainstream media people on both sides, and 162 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: just the use of social media, this short form content 163 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: leads to this, and so I want to help stop that. 164 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: And so let me bring context to what this is. 165 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: You can understand now if we look at the Russia 166 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: Ukraine situation for a while, I mean, there's both there's 167 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: two sides of that. They say there's three sides to 168 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: every story, right, there's like their side, my side, and 169 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: then there's something in the middle. And so of course 170 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine both have their own sides to that, 171 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: and now we can see israel An Israel and Palestine 172 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: have their sides right, and each side want to blame 173 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: the other rather than viewing the events from the current 174 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: historical lens that we're talking about. But I don't want 175 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: you to fall into that same trap. So we're going 176 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: to help you understand what this global historical lens is. 177 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: You're just tune in, you're listening to the markmas Show. 178 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to run through this historical context so we 179 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: can see what's happening in this new war that's shaping up. 180 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it, don't go way, I'll 181 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: be right back. All right, welcome back. If you're just 182 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: tune in, you're listening to the Mark mass Show, we're 183 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: talking about the new war that's broken out in the 184 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: Middle East and how this fits in to the global 185 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: wars that we're having, the deglobalization, and really I want 186 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: to run you through the context of what's going on now. 187 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: Like I said, there's multiple sides to each story. And 188 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: so just like in Russia and Ukraine, each side seems 189 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: to be fighting for their lives. Maybe in Israel, you 190 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: know they're fighting this existential threat, but so are the Palestinians. 191 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: But really to understand this, we have to go back. 192 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: We have to understand that there's a very long history 193 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: of conflict in the region. And as a matter of fact, 194 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: we can go back very far, and I'm going to 195 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: do that, but I want to start with a little 196 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: bit more recent times because this is where most people 197 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: pick up the story, and we can see if there's 198 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: been this long standing conflict between Israel and Palestine, which 199 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: really began with the declaration of Israel as an independent 200 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: nation state in nineteen forty eight. So you're going to 201 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: hear that Israel went and took the land from the Palestinians, 202 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: which they kind of did, but that's not actually what happened. Now. 203 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: What happened is thousands of Jews did immigrate to Palestinan 204 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties and the nineteen thirties. When that happened, 205 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: it did result in lots of violent clashes with the 206 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: local Arab population that was there now at the time, 207 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: though they weren't really taking it from the Palestinians because 208 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: at the time the British Empire had control. The British 209 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Empire was occupying it, and they were attempting to try 210 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: to limit the amount of Jewish immigration that was coming. 211 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: And so as they were trying to keep the Jews out, 212 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: the British, who had control, it made the Jews mad, 213 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: as you might understand. And at the same time the 214 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: British state was trying to support for a Jewish homeland, 215 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: but that enraged the Arabs. The British had control, and obviously, 216 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: no matter which side they made concessions to, the other 217 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: side was going to be angry about it. As this 218 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: was happening, then World War Two broke out. During World 219 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: War two and estimated about six million Jews were murdered 220 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: in Nazi concentration camps. And so after the war, the 221 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Jews started flooding out of Europe and started flooding into Palestine, 222 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: and then you know, they viewed this as their homeland, 223 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: which it had been. We're going to go back through 224 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: that history. And then by nineteen forty seven the British 225 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: realized the situation had become unsustainable. All right, So this 226 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: is sort of where we're at today. And so the 227 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Palestinians are like, hey, this is our land. How would 228 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: you feel if they came and took your land? Of course, 229 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: nobody would like that, right, we could look at this objectionally, 230 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: nobody would like that. But again, it was actually British 231 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: land at the time. The British had ruled it. But 232 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I want to go back further, and then we're going 233 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: to pick up this story. So let's go back a 234 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: little bit further. Because as a matter of fact, this 235 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: part of land right there is like the oldest land 236 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: in the world that we know about. Obviously, all the 237 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: land of the world is the same age, but this 238 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: is the part of the world that we know about. 239 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: It's very well documented. As a matter of fact, we 240 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: know about sixteen hundred before christ BC, so that's you know, 241 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: thirty six hundred years ago or more. We have documentation 242 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: of that land and what was going on there. So 243 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: in sixteen hundred BC, Abraham, the father of the Jewish people, 244 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: went and settled in the land of Israel. All right, 245 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: So he was a Jew and he was in the 246 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: Land of Israel, and that was his land. Over three 247 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. What happened is there was massive famine 248 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: in the land, and the people of the Jews living 249 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: in Israel went to Egypt to get grain and they 250 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: ended up moving to Egypt. So there was massive famine. 251 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: It went for seven years. If you know your Bible stories, 252 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: you know this, but it's documented throughout secular history as well. 253 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: And so the Jews left Israel and they went to 254 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: Egypt to get the food, to get the grain. Then 255 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: this goes into the second book of the Bible, Exodus, 256 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: which is Bob Marley made a song about Exodus movement 257 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: of the people. And in twelve hundred BC, the people, 258 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: the Jews, left Egypt and they went back to Israel. 259 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: All right, and so now we see twelve hundred eleven 260 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: hundred BC, the tribes of Israel go back, they settle 261 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: in the land of Israel. So Israel, the Jews lived 262 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: in Israel, they left, they went to Egypt, they came 263 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: back to Israel. Then in one thousand BC, the Kingdom 264 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: of Israel is established. King Saul is the very first 265 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: king that's there. One thousand BC, Jerusalem becomes the capital 266 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: of the Kingdom of Israel under now King David nine 267 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty BC. The first temple is built by 268 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: in Jerusalem by King Solomon seven twenty two to seven 269 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: to twenty BC. The Kingdom of Israel that's located in 270 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: the northern land of Israel is conquered. So now the 271 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Jews that have been there for now you know, a 272 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: thousand years, almost eight hundred years, they're now conquered by Assyria. 273 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: And so now the tribes of Israel go into exile. Now, 274 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: so the Jews were there, they left, they came back, 275 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: they got conquered. Now they're there by Syria. So all 276 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: of history is a story of one tribe taking over 277 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: another tribe. Since the very beginning of time, we've had 278 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: tribes and they battle over scarce resources, and they fight 279 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: over land, and they fight over food, and one tribe 280 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: takes over another, and one village takes over another, and 281 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: one kingdom takes over another, and all of history is 282 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: a story of this. So, you know, here in the 283 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: United States or in Canada, you hear about the indigenous 284 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: people and their land was taken, but that is factually correct. 285 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: But they took it from someone else before them, and 286 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: they took it from someone else before them, and they 287 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: took it from someone else before them, And so how 288 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: far do you go back? So we can go back, 289 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: certainly as this story started to the nineteen forties when 290 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: the Jews took it from the Palestinians, where I should 291 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: say the British gave it to the Jews. However, that's 292 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: just the last time. So we're going all the way 293 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: back to the beginning of recorded history sixteen hundred BC, 294 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: and the Jews were there, okay, so now let's keep going. 295 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: So they were exiled. The Syrians now took it. So 296 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: now the Jews don't have it anymore. Now Syria has 297 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: it a five eighty six PC the Kingdom of Judah. 298 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: The Jews is now conquered by Babylon. Jerusalem and the 299 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: Temple are completely demolished, laid to waste, and the Jews 300 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: are exiled. So now they're taken out of their own land. 301 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: They are now exiled to Babylon. Now some of the 302 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: Jews remained, but most of them were taken away. There's 303 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: a story of the remnant, the few that were there. 304 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: So they the Jews never totally left the land. There 305 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: was always some that remained. Like I said that, the remnant. 306 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: So now five eighty six they are conquered, and they 307 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: were exiled to Babylon five thirty eight to five point 308 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: fifteen BC. They return. They return. The Jews return from 309 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: Babylon and they rebuild the temple. Three point thirty two BC. 310 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: Now the land of Israel is conquered by Alexander the Great. 311 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: You've probably heard about him. So again they left, they 312 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: came back, they set up their kingdom again, and now 313 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: they're taken over again Alexander the Great. Now we go 314 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty BC. The Hasmon revolt against the 315 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: Greek Empire in reaction to the constraints imposed on the 316 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: Jewish religious practice. So now there's this revolt. Now the 317 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: Greeks are fighting over the land. To sixty three BC 318 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: the Jews establish independence again. You see how this just 319 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: is a cycle. It just repeats over and over. Now 320 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: sixty three BC, King Herod from Rome now rules the 321 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: land in Israel. Now the temple's expanded, becomes a beautiful temple. 322 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: But in sixty six p see the Jews rebel against 323 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: the Romans. Now because now the Romans control Israel, so 324 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: the Jews rebel against that. And then seventy Now this 325 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: is eighty. So this is now seventy after Christ the 326 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: destruction of Jerusalem, and the Second Temple is built. In 327 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: seventy three the Romans battle to conquer it and the 328 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: Romans takeover. They change the name of Judea to Syria Palestina, 329 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: in the name of Jerusalem to Elia Capitalonia, and Jews 330 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: are forbidden to settle in the land of Israel. So 331 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: this is one hundred and thirty six eighty now, so 332 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: again the Jews are forbidden from being in the land 333 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: of Israel, which they've been in on and off since 334 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: sixteen hundred PC. All right, Now, if you're just tune in, 335 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Maus Show. I'm giving you 336 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: historical context so we can have a better understanding of 337 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: what is going on in the world today. I got 338 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot more to cover when I come back. 339 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it, so don't go away. 340 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. All right, welcome back. If you're 341 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: just tune in, you're listening to the Mark mass Show. 342 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about, as always, the decentralization the world, but 343 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: we're going back through this historical context. We can understand 344 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: what's going on in the Middle East. And I'm taking 345 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: you through a long history, went back all the way 346 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: to sixteen hundred BC. And if you're just tune in now, 347 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: we're at six hundred eighty all right, So well, one 348 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: thirty six eighty, the Romans took control of Israel and 349 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: forbid the Jews from being in the land. So one 350 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: thirty six eighty, now we fast forward to so the 351 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: Romans have control. Now we fast forward to six hundred 352 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: eighty and the Persians invade, and the Persians take control, 353 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: and the Arabs conquest in six thirty eight eighty, So 354 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: now the Arabs have control of the land. Six thirty 355 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: eight the liberation of Jerusalem from a combined force of 356 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: Persians and Jews. So the so the Arabs now have 357 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: control of that land. But then in ten ninety nine 358 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: to twelve ninety one, now the Crusader come in, and 359 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: now they take over the land. And then in fifteen 360 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: seventeen the Ottoman Empire comes over and takes over the 361 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: land and they rule. Then in eighteen sixty three, so 362 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: three hundred years later, three hundred and thirty years later, 363 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: the Jewish majority comes back into Jerusalem and renew the land. 364 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: Are you starting to get the story here? Nineteen oh one, 365 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: the establishment of the Jewish National Fund, an organization for 366 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: purchasing land for Jewish settlement settlement of the Land of 367 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: Israel comes into place and then there's a lot of 368 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: history that goes on through here. It starts happening pretty 369 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: quickly here in nineteen sixteen it's called the Sikes Picot Agreement, 370 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: and it was between France and Britain, and they delineated 371 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: the two powers for this Middle Eastern area of rule 372 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: in the Ottoman Empire. And this was right around the time, 373 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: right when the World War for the First World War 374 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: had ended. So now we have frank in Britain having control, 375 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: taking overpower that used to be under the Ottoman Empire. 376 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: And then in nineteen seventeen, a document signed by British 377 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Lord Arthur James Balfour espouse a national Home 378 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel. As 379 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: we keep going, nineteen twenty, the San Remo Agreement gave 380 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: Britain rule over the Land of Israel after the fall 381 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: of the Ottoman Empire and ratified the creation of the 382 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: National Home for the Jewish people in the Land of 383 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: Israel under the ages of the British power. So again, 384 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: now the British have power, they have control over the land, 385 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: and now they're giving it back to the Jewish people 386 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: who have been in and out of there since sixteen 387 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: hundred BC. Of course, the Arabs don't like this. They've 388 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: been all around this, and so there's riots start happening, 389 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: all of this starts happening, and now we're sort of 390 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: caught back up into modern time. All right. So this 391 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: has been a hotly contested piece of land. It's the 392 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: oldest piece of land in the world that we have 393 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: documentation for. And the Jews settled in a land in 394 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: sixteen hundred BC and have been in and out of 395 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: that land ever since for over three thousand years. And 396 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: here we are back up to nineteen forty seven when 397 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: after World War II, the British, having control, gave it 398 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: back to the Israelites, to the Jews. I guess all right, 399 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: Now this was also created by the United Nations, and 400 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: so what the United Nations society to do because this 401 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: situation was unsustainable. Even though the British had control gave 402 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: it back to the Jews, the Arabs that were there, 403 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: the Palestinians, still didn't like it, and so there was 404 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: this ongoing war. And so the United Nations stepped in 405 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: to devise a plan, and they said, let's just split 406 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: the land. Here's what we'll do. Let's just split it. 407 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: Remember both sides have concessions. They split the land into 408 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: two sections, and the Jews celebrated and the Arabs were bailed. 409 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: That was May fourteenth, nineteen forty eight, and the day 410 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: the British. That was the day the British troops withdrew 411 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: from Palestine and the State of Israel was declared, and 412 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: of course then violence broke out. So as soon as 413 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: the British troops left, then violence happened. The Muslim countries 414 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt all attacked the 415 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: newly formed state and secured Arab territory within it. And 416 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: in the remaining Israeli territory, thousands of Palestinians were driven 417 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: out by Israeli forces. So this is where they're driven 418 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: out of their home, which of course they're not going 419 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: to be happy about. No one's ever happy about this. 420 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: This is not a good situation to be in. And 421 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, since I didn't say it in 422 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: the beginning, I don't advocate for any violence. I think 423 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: I started out by saying I want peace. I think 424 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: most people in the world want peace, Like, can't we 425 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: all just get along? Was that Rodney King? Why you 426 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: know you hear about like these, you know, Miss America contestants, 427 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: and like, if I could get anything, I just want 428 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: world peace, Like why can't we just get along? Unfortunately, 429 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: we have human nature and some people are just bad 430 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: and some people want more power control. There's lots of problems. 431 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: There's ideological problems. This is mostly religious wars, so you 432 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: have two very distinct ideologies, and there's obviously lots of 433 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: sex within that. But at this point, now this land 434 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: has been given back and there's wars going out. Now 435 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: it starts to go tit for tat here, all right, 436 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: So we basically see that all these territories now attack Israel, 437 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: and Israel moves in and they drive the Palestinians out right, 438 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: and this is what forms the basis of the base 439 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: of the conflict that's brewing today. The Palestinians were forcely 440 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: removed from their homes. They were and they've never forgot it. Now. 441 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: The situation further escalated nineteen sixty seven when Israel seized 442 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: additional territory from Jordan and Syria. So that happened that 443 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: according to a documentary, that was a war in which 444 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: the Arab nations clearly were about to attack Israel. Israel had, 445 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: as it were, both a legal and moral right to 446 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: strike first, as they did strike first. Oh that's their story. 447 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: You and I don't know know the answer. We don't 448 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: know the truth here all right. As a result of 449 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: Israel's preempt to strike, the Gaza Strip, initially part of Egypt, 450 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: came under control of Israel. Now nineteen seventy three, fifty 451 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: years ago to this attack that has happened. There was 452 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: a surprise attack on Yam Kapor, and after years of 453 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: ongoing struggle, Egypt and Israel finally met to negotiate peace 454 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight. So again peace was struck out. 455 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: It was called the Camp David Accords of nineteen seventy eight, 456 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: and it returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, while Israel 457 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: kept East Jerusalem and the West Bank, the Golden Heights 458 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: in Syria, and the Gaza Strip. Israel also acquired more 459 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: than one million Palestinian Arabs who lived in Israeli occupied territories. 460 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: It's a mess over there. Then we have the rise 461 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: of Hamas. The accords did nothing to soothe old differences, however, 462 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: and for decades afterwards, Israeli forces in the Palestinian Liberation 463 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: Organization the PLO, carried on hostilities. Peace talks were renewed 464 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen nineties in Oslo, Norway, resulting in 465 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: a two state solution. So now we start getting into Hamas. 466 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: We start thinking about the Palestinians. They wanted to be 467 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: guaranteed an independent state, and so then the Palistinians were 468 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: able to elect their own government with the territories of 469 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: the West Bank and the Gaza stript. Meanwhile, Jerusalem was 470 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: meant to be a free city there, but of course, 471 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: surprise surprise, things didn't work out as planned there either. 472 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: In two thousand, violent clashes between the two communities resumed. 473 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: In two thousand and six, Palestinians elected members of a 474 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: hardline Islamis group called Hamas. The reigning party Fatah ended 475 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: up with just forty five seats, and so Hamas got 476 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: seventy four seats and won. The problem that we're in now, 477 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: now that we're caught up here, and hopefully you appreciate 478 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: that this was a pretty neutral stance. This is just history, 479 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: it's just fact. It is what it is. The problem 480 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: is now, so Hamas got the majority of the seats, 481 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: they have the power, they have the control, and in 482 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Hamas's founding charter it included a commitment to the total 483 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: destruction of the Israeli state, which is of course a 484 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: direct violation of the Oslo Peace Accords. So that's sort 485 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: of where we're at right now. Now we can argue 486 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: either side. Of course they want to completely destroyer and 487 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: they ran them out of their home. If you got 488 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: ran out of your home, wouldn't you want to go 489 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: to story that person as well? But how far do 490 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: we go back? That's the question. The question is how 491 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: far do we go back? And really the question is 492 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: how do we move forward with peace from here? I 493 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: think that's even the much bigger question because we can 494 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: see that as of right now. If one side vows 495 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: to kill the other unless they get out of their land, 496 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: on the other side decide says we're not going to 497 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: get out of land and we'll kill you, how do 498 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: we have some resolution there? Well, it's going to be 499 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: very difficult. And if you want to find out what 500 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: I have to say about that, then don't go wakes. 501 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: I gotta take a very quick break. If you're just 502 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: tune in, you listening to the Mark Maas Show, and 503 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: we went through the historical account for three thousand years 504 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: of what led up to this Middle East war that's 505 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 1: about to break out or is breaking out. I'm going 506 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: to come back with more a minute. Don't go await, 507 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: bear back, all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, 508 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Maas Show. We're running through 509 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: the historical context that led us to the point that 510 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: we're at in the Middle East between Israel and Palestine, 511 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: and not just those two, actually the entire Arab world. 512 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: So we went through from over three thousand years of 513 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: history going back to sixteen hundred BC when Abraham the 514 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: Jew first settled in the land of Israel, all the 515 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: accounts of how they've been taken over and moved back, 516 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: and taken over and moved back, and all these things 517 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: all the way to where we're at in current times. So, 518 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, this is a big issue and there's no 519 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: good answer for this. In the United States, you know, 520 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: we have this I already kind of mentioned sort of 521 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: in the United States and Canada, sort of this push 522 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: towards recognizing these indigenous people. And again I'm not advocating 523 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: for any type of violence. I don't like I want 524 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: peace like anybody else. But who has the claim you 525 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: know under the last piece of cord that to World 526 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: War Two, the deal was is that nobody was supposed 527 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: to sort of infringe on other people's lands. But of 528 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: course that continues to happen. I don't have all the 529 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: answers here. The answers are that we need to put 530 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: ourselves in each other's shoes. We have to be able 531 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: to make concessions, we have to be able to forgive, 532 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: and we have to be able to move forward. But 533 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: how do we do that in the light of violence 534 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: happening around us? That's the bigger question. And then on 535 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: top of that, how do we do that at a 536 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: time when the people running the world seem to be 537 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: wanting the war to happen. Why would they want that 538 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: to happen. Well, if you remember the last president that 539 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: was assassinated, John F. Kennedy was assassinated after he made 540 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: a speech talking about the intelligence community and the problems 541 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: that they had caused and how he would splinter them 542 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: into a thousand pieces. That's what he said, and then 543 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: he was killed for that. The president before him, Eisenhower, 544 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: as he was leaving office, he made a speech. Typically 545 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: after you're done with office or you're on your deathbed, 546 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: you start to get very honest, and he said that 547 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: the greatest threat that this nation had was the military 548 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: industrial complex. And we don't have to just go back 549 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: to Eisenheer, We can go all the way back to 550 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: the founding of the United States, when our founding fathers 551 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: told us that the greatest risk our kids, that us 552 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: as modern day people and as Americans would face would 553 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: be a country that has standing armies. It's always been 554 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: the military being the greatest threat. And the reason why 555 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: the military industrial complex is such a threat is because 556 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: if you have a business, the goal of your business 557 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: is to grow your business. It's to make more money. 558 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: But when you're in the business of war, that means 559 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: you need more war. Business isn't very good if there's 560 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: no war. And so we always need this opponent, We 561 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: always need this boogeyman out there in order for us 562 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: to continue to invest into new weapons and new arms 563 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: and things like that. We can see how you know 564 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: in there, well, really after since World War Two, but 565 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: really in the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, we had 566 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: this cold war between America and Russia, and this led 567 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: the military industrial complex to continue to spend lots and 568 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: lots of billions of dollars on new technologies and continue 569 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: to build up the military and things like that. But finally, 570 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: in the late eighties and early nineties, then the USSR 571 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: finally collapsed. Communism took its toll. The USSR collapsed, and 572 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now the US didn't have this 573 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: big boogieman, They didn't have this big army or this 574 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: country to fear. What happens with the industrial military industrial 575 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: complex when they don't have this big enemy out there anymore, Well, 576 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: they need a new enemy. And so shortly thereafter, all 577 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the enemy became terrorism. We had the 578 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: Twin Towers that went down, and all of a sudden 579 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: we had to go bomb the Middle East, and now 580 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: we had to go after terrorists. Now that the beauty 581 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: of fighting terrorism for them, since for the military industrial 582 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: complex is that now we don't just have a country 583 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: that we know where they're at and we can defeat them. No. No, 584 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: now we have this nameless, faceless enemy who's everywhere and nowhere, 585 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: and there's never a way to defeat them ever. So 586 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: we have endless wars that can go on forever, and 587 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: it's an ever growing threat that always has to be managed. 588 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: And of course we can always stoke up a few 589 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: more along the way. And so now we have this world. 590 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's really in my opinion, it's always 591 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: been the same, which is what we really have in 592 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: this world has always been corporatism. Corporatism being corporations and 593 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: governments working together. And they used to call that fascism. 594 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: Now Klaus Schwab with the World That Coming Forum wants 595 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: to call that public private partnerships. In the US sometimes 596 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: we call it crony capitalism or cronyism, whatever you want 597 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: to call it. It's the same thing. It's businesses working 598 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: in their own interest with the government to continue to 599 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: build their businesses. That's what it's always been. And so 600 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: this military industrial complex wants to continue to stoke more wars. 601 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: But then we also have other things such as through 602 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: the Middle East, we have massive amounts of energy, so 603 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: we have oil pipelines, we have gas pipelines, and so 604 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: there's lots of interest. As a matter of fact, if 605 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: you look back through most of what happened through the 606 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: Gulf wars after nine to eleven, a lot of it 607 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: seemed to be going over there to protect the interests 608 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: of some of these rich people or multinational companies, if 609 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: you want to call it that, securing rights to the energy, 610 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: securing oil pipelines and things like that. It's always been 611 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: about the money. And so because of that, it makes 612 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: it very difficult for us to understand what's going on. 613 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: It's the fog of wars, what we call it. And 614 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: so while on one hand it seems so simple, the 615 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: other hand, it's like, how do we know this isn't 616 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: some fake false flag. For example, in Israel net and Yahoo, 617 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: the prime minister there has been under attack. You know, 618 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: the people in Israel are not happy with the government. 619 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: They became one of the most authoritarian nations in the 620 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: world during the COVID pandemic, and there's been so much 621 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: pushback and the country is starting to reject the leadership 622 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: or the political leadership that's there. So hmm, well, let's 623 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: see if they start a proxy war, or i should say, 624 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: a false flag war, if they start war with Palestine, 625 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: does that create this sense of nationalism? Does that reignite 626 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 1: the people to come together for the good of their 627 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: Israel country and then sort of get the blame off 628 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: of net and Yahoo. Well, I mean, I guess that's possible. 629 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: That could be something, or could it be something bigger? 630 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: Could it be something about the energy. Could it be 631 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: that we're trying to stoke a war in the Middle 632 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: East so that we could limit the supply of energy 633 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, so we could get them out 634 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: of their position of power. We know that opek Plus 635 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: is trying to kind of set the price of energy 636 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: and oil. The US doesn't like that. Could we trying 637 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: to limit the entire area so that the US interest 638 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: of oil and natural gas could prevail. There's certainly a 639 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: call for that. We can look at what's happening in 640 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: Ukraine as sort of the same way. And so it's 641 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: very difficult to say. And so that's why, as I 642 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: said sort of in the beginning when I first started out, 643 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've spent thousands of hours studying this 644 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: and talking about this and having discussions about this and 645 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: reading back to history and trying to understand this the 646 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: best I can. But the fog of war is so 647 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: thick that we won't ever know. Now, Like I said, 648 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: what I think should be. The answer is peace, right, 649 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: and I think that should be the number one goal 650 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: in everybody's mind is how can we de escalate this situation? 651 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: How can we treat each other with respect? How can 652 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: we try to understand both sides? How can we come 653 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: to a place where we understand that both sides have 654 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: been wronged? Here this is not a good situation. There 655 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: is no returning things back. Sometimes things are just bad. 656 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: Sometimes we just have to deal with what we have 657 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: and we have to try to move forward. And that's 658 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: exactly where we're at. And so that's my point. I 659 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I've put that out on 660 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: public record. I stand for peace. I'm not for pro 661 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: any of this. I'm for pro people. I'm for pro humanity. 662 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: I'm for love. I'm for loving each other. I'm for 663 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: treating each other with tolerance. And that's how I'd like 664 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: to move forward. I am against the evergrowing state. I 665 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: am against the war longerene, neo con state apparatus of 666 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: the military industrial complex. And I hope that more people 667 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: could see that the real battle isn't between the people, 668 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: but between the governments. If you're just tune in, you're 669 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: listening to the Markmas Show. We've been talking about the 670 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: way the world is breaking apart from a very long 671 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: historical lens of what's going on in the Middle East. 672 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: Hopefully this brings some context to you. Let me know 673 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: what you think, hit me up in the comments, hit 674 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: me up on social media, and that's what I got. 675 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening.