Speaker 1: It's three fifteen am in PACIFICA and you're listening to
Speaker 1: Night Call. Hello, and welcome to night Call, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert,
Speaker 1: and here with me in Los Angeles is Test Lynch.
Speaker 1: And over in New York we have Emily Oshida and
Speaker 1: joining us today, also from Los Angeles, we have a
Speaker 1: very special guest, Rachel True. Hi. Actually I'm from New York,
Speaker 1: but I live here and I'm a night owl, so
Speaker 1: thank you for having me a night Wow, this is
Speaker 1: like a broadcast only accent. I love it. I was
Speaker 1: just in New York and I literally turned into your
Speaker 1: Jewish grandpa when that's my actual patois to be honest,
Speaker 1: h No, what were you doing? I was like doing,
Speaker 1: Oh wish you might have heard. I put up a
Speaker 1: little bit of a something on Twitter a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago or not about I'm being excluded from something.
Speaker 1: So I went and did an event last month that
Speaker 1: I forced people to invite me to and it turned
Speaker 1: out well for everyone. Yeah, do you want can we
Speaker 1: talk about them a little a little bit? I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's really boring, but no, it's not so Rachel was
Speaker 1: talking about how there was a convention, horror convention that
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a reunion of the Craft, which
Speaker 1: Rachel is in an integral member of the coven in um,
Speaker 1: and they invited all the other girls and not her,
Speaker 1: and she called them out on Twitter rightfully, saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys didn't invite the one black girl in the
Speaker 1: group to be part of the group, and like this
Speaker 1: used to happen during the press tour in the movie
Speaker 1: came out. I didn't know people read my tweets. That
Speaker 1: is how I learned that people actually read my tweets. Um.
Speaker 1: I didn't really think anyway, nobody cares about my tweets.
Speaker 1: So I was very surprised that people responded um and
Speaker 1: it resonated with them. And let me be clear too,
Speaker 1: because conventions are, you know, this sort of world where
Speaker 1: you go and you meet people and you sign autographs
Speaker 1: and it's very surreal. The first one I did literally
Speaker 1: every picture, I'm like, what are you doing? So then
Speaker 1: I haven't done terribly many, but with this particular one,
Speaker 1: the party line was no, no, no, Rachel, it's it's
Speaker 1: not a reunion. We just have uh Nev's there. Because
Speaker 1: of scream, uh for rus is just there because you
Speaker 1: were supposed to be there the year before, and Robin,
Speaker 1: who's never done it in a horror movie is is
Speaker 1: there because it's our first one. But it's not a reunion,
Speaker 1: and if it was, of course we'd want you there.
Speaker 1: I heard this from so many fucking people that I
Speaker 1: finally well, what I finally said is, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it's not a reunion because you fucking won't invite me.
Speaker 1: Oh can I swear? I'm gonna try to be better?
Speaker 1: But I had to explain to lots of my fabulous
Speaker 1: white friends too, No, No, it's you're missing the point.
Speaker 1: It would be a reunion if they would invite me.
Speaker 1: So now what happened was I gave them a huge headline.
Speaker 1: Tons of people showed out, everybody made a lot more
Speaker 1: money because we were all there. And part of my thing, too,
Speaker 1: is when I go to these events haven't done very many.
Speaker 1: I'm the only black person there. I'm the only black
Speaker 1: person everywhere I go. The last one that I just did,
Speaker 1: which they were kind enough to invite me after I
Speaker 1: might have twisted a few worms. Um, I was the
Speaker 1: only black woman. And then there was an eight year
Speaker 1: old black child there who did an episode of something
Speaker 1: and that was it. So I do feel now that
Speaker 1: I'm an old lady, I can speak out about things
Speaker 1: because I'm gen X, you know, and I was taught
Speaker 1: be quiet, don't worry about it as long as it's
Speaker 1: not too overton in your face, just deal with it,
Speaker 1: you know. As a black person mixed person growing up,
Speaker 1: I mean, my white dad and black step mom were like, listen,
Speaker 1: this is how it is. You're going to be treated
Speaker 1: terribly and and you just suck it up. I think
Speaker 1: it's just I took a page from the Millennials book
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna wine in public about it,
Speaker 1: and and I think that it was probably good to
Speaker 1: bring awareness not just for me, but for other people,
Speaker 1: so many other people in my same boat. Well, Tessa
Speaker 1: and I are huge fans of the craft. It was
Speaker 1: one of the I know, I know, so's Emily, Tessa
Speaker 1: and I. I mean, just like we saw it together
Speaker 1: probably for the first time. You were like to, did
Speaker 1: you guys notice that our skirt scott shorter as our
Speaker 1: power as they should. Yeah. I do remember hearing an
Speaker 1: interview with Andy Fleming, the director on NPR yours back
Speaker 1: back in the day, and he was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a metaphor for female sexuality, and and that's so true.
Speaker 1: I think that women right from tweeing to it's a
Speaker 1: metaphor women all those things, so many new things circulating
Speaker 1: in us, and new ideas and thoughts and what we
Speaker 1: could do, and so I think that the Witchcraft is
Speaker 1: a perfect analogy for it. And actually I love I
Speaker 1: was talking to f rus the Ball, who plays Nancy
Speaker 1: in The Craft um the other week and she said
Speaker 1: something to me really kind, like people always say I
Speaker 1: look young. I don't look young at all. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be a couple episodes of Better Things, we'll see me
Speaker 1: looking like every inch of an adult that I am.
Speaker 1: Better love that show, So for ruses, he look really
Speaker 1: young and I was like, oh girl, it's a glamour
Speaker 1: And then we just started trading lines from the movie.
Speaker 1: Really cute about that, Like, almost a quarter of a
Speaker 1: century later, how often do you see a movie with
Speaker 1: like four female protagonists at all? You know, And yes,
Speaker 1: you're right, part of the reason the movie is so
Speaker 1: good her in it, and your storyline is like very interesting. No,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that because I copped to this fully. I
Speaker 1: mean a documentary that is so good you guys on
Speaker 1: shutter dot com, which is owned by a mc uh
Speaker 1: and it's called Horror Noir. It's based on a book
Speaker 1: written by a college professor called Robin Mean Coleman. So
Speaker 1: it's already a more erudite take on this. It's not
Speaker 1: just here's a slash film. It's not a chronological order,
Speaker 1: just that the reflection of black people uh in films
Speaker 1: and so um being in that. I copped to the
Speaker 1: fact that when I got the craft, I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: and this is sort of mortifying for me, but I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, m oh, well, she's burned, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: she's crazy and she tried to commit suicide. What's my problem?
Speaker 1: I don't have a proper racism. Yeah, that's a given.
Speaker 1: It's a given that people can be horrible and racist meat. No,
Speaker 1: what is my actual problem? And I remember then thinking,
Speaker 1: do they think blackness is my problem? Why does she
Speaker 1: get punished at the end, like she didn't do anything
Speaker 1: wrong with her power? Like that's actually true. I didn't.
Speaker 1: And you know, I had a scene with my parents
Speaker 1: that was cut, which is kind of too bad because
Speaker 1: everyone else's parents, But don't worry. They didn't have any dialogue,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter. I remember my dad, the actor,
Speaker 1: being like, can you get us a line? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm trying to keep my answer. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting now to then, like things have change. I mean
Speaker 1: at the time, I had to really fight to be
Speaker 1: included in that movie, you know what, I mean, to
Speaker 1: get to read for it. So that's so crazy, And
Speaker 1: it's such a like huge like I don't know, it
Speaker 1: feels like a big like how far we've come, but
Speaker 1: also I guess how much we still have to do,
Speaker 1: like with us being such a huge thing this weekend,
Speaker 1: like as far as you know, representation and horror, and
Speaker 1: also not having it be you know, like the horror
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to do with recent it. It's like
Speaker 1: it's about a bunch of things. It's about a family
Speaker 1: in a horror noir. There's a line from Blacula, which
Speaker 1: is a seventies black exploitation version of Dracula, Right, and
Speaker 1: Blacula turns one of his friends, and he's a very
Speaker 1: smooth count, and he turns his friend into a vampire.
Speaker 1: And the friend looks in the mirror and He's like,
Speaker 1: what what is a man if he cannot see his
Speaker 1: own reflection? And that, I think is such a beautiful
Speaker 1: analogy for how black people in America felt for a
Speaker 1: long time in terms of cinema, Like you can't see
Speaker 1: even me growing up, Like I can't see my reflection anywhere?
Speaker 1: Who is the person who looks like me? So I'd gravitate,
Speaker 1: of course, towards that one person of Like I remember
Speaker 1: being fascinated with the Courtship of Eddie's Father, which was
Speaker 1: actually before my time, but in repeats because there was
Speaker 1: an Asian woman on it, somebody different, somebody was other.
Speaker 1: You know. Anyway, by the way, when does this documentary
Speaker 1: come out? Oh, it's out already. It's on it's streaming
Speaker 1: on a platform called shutter dot com and it's horror
Speaker 1: nore yea And they have been showing it in New
Speaker 1: York and I think they were showing in a band.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind its rounds around the different art
Speaker 1: houses and stuff and independent theaters in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny. Like I did the documentary and then they
Speaker 1: were like grabbing a premiere and I just thought, oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some little, tiny thing, and they had
Speaker 1: a real premiere and everything, and I was like a
Speaker 1: press line, which if you're a woman and you don't
Speaker 1: know there's a press line and then you have to
Speaker 1: do a press line, is little traumatized. So I need
Speaker 1: to documentary and it's great and I listen. I'm a realist.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sing this high praise of it if I
Speaker 1: didn't actually had learned so much from it, and it
Speaker 1: pointed out beautiful art house films made by black people
Speaker 1: that I hadn't heard of. So I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 1: a part of that. That's awesome. Cool. It feels like
Speaker 1: horrors having a moment of like, you know, social horror
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: for horror to be about something rather than just sort
Speaker 1: of like scaring you. Torture porn was so big during
Speaker 1: well that makes sense after eleven when you think it's
Speaker 1: the most appropriate superhero thing, which I'm ye, unless you
Speaker 1: want to put me in on just so cool. But
Speaker 1: that's a reaction to nine eleven and it's you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years later, and I feel like that genre. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get it as a parallel for us, but I
Speaker 1: kind of maybe because I'm grown up in gen X,
Speaker 1: Like I really miss nineties indie indie movies. I have
Speaker 1: been talking about erotic thrillers. That's why we went on
Speaker 1: the erotic. Yeah, We're like, oh, these movies are about
Speaker 1: like grown ups having problems and they're about like interpersonally attracts.
Speaker 1: In chicular, was like the most just intimate, like you know,
Speaker 1: scaled down horror film in a lot of way. Sure
Speaker 1: that is a horror when you think about the psychological
Speaker 1: horror way, it's it's more than us. You wouldn't if
Speaker 1: you were a hardcore horror fan, you're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: is that horror? You're right, just just like get out.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be entirely sure. But there are different
Speaker 1: veins of many veins of horror. And as much as
Speaker 1: I feel like the the elevated horror or like you know,
Speaker 1: thinking person's horror, I'm using like heavy scare quotes over
Speaker 1: that is Like there's been like a lot of great
Speaker 1: things that have come out that I guess you could
Speaker 1: file under that that banner, But I feel like there's
Speaker 1: still so much to be done with like just like
Speaker 1: scaring people in like different contexts and different cultural contexts
Speaker 1: and like, you know, like I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of room for genres like you always think like
Speaker 1: fringey genres where you can experiment more. Should theoretically like
Speaker 1: be more experimental in terms of like who gets to
Speaker 1: make movies like something like horror or well, it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me, I guess coming from my gen x perspective,
Speaker 1: as I thought once you know, there was a little
Speaker 1: a video camera in everyone's hand, that we would have
Speaker 1: more of a revolution in filmmaking. It was like Blair Red,
Speaker 1: Yeah that is it, but kind of or you know, um,
Speaker 1: Chuan Baker shot Tangerine on an iPhone. I think, um,
Speaker 1: but I'm just surprised there aren't more and more and
Speaker 1: more people doing that because we have the means. And
Speaker 1: my my note to people is, um, you can have
Speaker 1: a kind of fuzzy video, you know, you can shoot
Speaker 1: on an iPhone, but your sound better. Yeah, really right,
Speaker 1: The sounds should be tight because then people will stick
Speaker 1: with it even if the picture is a little wishy.
Speaker 1: But I want a sidebar and give you some praise
Speaker 1: because I don't remember why I started following you, but
Speaker 1: I know I read stuff by you. We have people
Speaker 1: in common that we know. But I just loved your
Speaker 1: New Yorker article on your grandma. And then oh yeah, Molly,
Speaker 1: if anyone out there miss that, you've got to look
Speaker 1: at It's such a good article. It's really just so
Speaker 1: well written. And then also like I loved it already,
Speaker 1: and then you had me. It got me when your
Speaker 1: grandma's favorite people with Serena and because I was like,
Speaker 1: as she's an athlete JS, so you know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I probably started following you. And then I
Speaker 1: found out we had to writer friends in common and
Speaker 1: things like I've always been a fannier work. Rachel's also
Speaker 1: in Half Baked, another movie so dumb, so dumb. It
Speaker 1: is really funny you were in like you know, You're
Speaker 1: the craft Or and Half Baked in a Gregor ocument
Speaker 1: like these are all movies that have a lot of
Speaker 1: like cultural cachet with everybody like to be in cult
Speaker 1: things that he really sees. No, you don't hit me.
Speaker 1: The other day or a while back, I was like
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, I may not have
Speaker 1: been in this, that or the other thing, right, but
Speaker 1: I was in these weird things that people know the
Speaker 1: names of, like people call me Rochelle and Mary Jane
Speaker 1: and Mona from my TV show, Like there's discernible names
Speaker 1: that people can attach to me, And I thought that
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Like I guess it's the kind
Speaker 1: of stuff like now, especially like kids even younger than us,
Speaker 1: like the generation below us. It's the stuff that they're
Speaker 1: all googling because they've heard somebody mention it and it
Speaker 1: like has this aura around it. They're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: need to like go look up all those geople. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Gregor Rocky has got a TV show out now,
Speaker 1: I think on Stars um with the same alien from Nowhere.
Speaker 1: But what I loved about that Gregor Rocky movie was
Speaker 1: again those weird indie things back in the day where
Speaker 1: we're just we got a barn, we're making a movie.
Speaker 1: And what Greg did with just paint. For example, when
Speaker 1: you look at the wolves in that movie and and
Speaker 1: the backdrops are so gorgeous, it's all just really inexpensive stuff.
Speaker 1: So when people because for instance, like I dated a
Speaker 1: guy for a minute who I was a great guy,
Speaker 1: but he's like you or I'd be like, hey, I
Speaker 1: got an idea, let's shoot this thing and look at it,
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, well, you know because and so
Speaker 1: we've broke up. But I just know that, Like I like,
Speaker 1: you got a bar and you can do it. And
Speaker 1: I love that attitude, like let's just try and see
Speaker 1: what we get. Um. And those images like that image
Speaker 1: of me up against the wall in nowhere, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I wish I look like that. I mean even then
Speaker 1: I didn't look like that, but it's neat to see. Yeah. Anyway, Hey, folks,
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Speaker 1: about Rachel's other What would you say, it's like your
Speaker 1: moonlighting job, your other career, your career of the night. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I do a few different Here's what I
Speaker 1: always try to say. I do many minute, many different things.
Speaker 1: And so I think there was a moment there were
Speaker 1: people trying to pigeonhole me as she's quit acting, and
Speaker 1: she said, no, I do many things. Also sidebar two,
Speaker 1: I had a you know, after my TV show ended,
Speaker 1: I had a major illness, which nobody, I know, people
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about people. Nobody wants to hear
Speaker 1: that you were anything but perfect and perfect looking. Right.
Speaker 1: Um had a very common thing that white women called
Speaker 1: tumors and black women call five yeah. And I think
Speaker 1: the distinction is interesting because black women are like, no
Speaker 1: big deal, and every white woman ever met it's like
Speaker 1: I have a drmer and I'm done. I'm like so basically, Um,
Speaker 1: I was riddled with these things inside and out. I
Speaker 1: looked eight months pregnant. I could barely walk, I could
Speaker 1: barely breathe. Actually, I let it go too far. It
Speaker 1: was a benign condition that I didn't because the doctor said,
Speaker 1: black lady, don't worry about it. It's very common. Don't
Speaker 1: check it. And that's why I'm talking about it on
Speaker 1: this podcast because black women, if you have five words,
Speaker 1: or white women, any women, it can affect your fertility.
Speaker 1: It can affect every first of all insane from the
Speaker 1: hormone imbalance is well, you do not get that without
Speaker 1: a severe hormone ebalance. So got back to my other
Speaker 1: things that I do are just things I've always done
Speaker 1: my whole entire life. But yes, when I went through
Speaker 1: a period of being um, you know again in this town,
Speaker 1: if you were anything but perfect, people back away from you.
Speaker 1: So when I wasn't feeling you know, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: healthy and feeling well, it was just an odd time
Speaker 1: and I had to redecipher who I was and what
Speaker 1: I was based on myself, not outside. So I just
Speaker 1: got back into the stuff I've always done, like as
Speaker 1: a small child, but I was in foster care from
Speaker 1: zero to four, right, But I doubt eventually came and
Speaker 1: God as my white dad, um with his new black
Speaker 1: wife and um, he had this huge bookcase that I
Speaker 1: called the library and the when you're for it looks
Speaker 1: like a library. So the books and I could read
Speaker 1: a little bit. My stepmother toat us to read the books.
Speaker 1: I would pull down where Nietzsche is beyond Good and
Speaker 1: Evil and Carl Young's Man and his symbols. So was
Speaker 1: I actually reading the books? I doubted. I could read
Speaker 1: a couple words here and there, right, but it was
Speaker 1: very drawn to the pictures and the covers and the things, uh,
Speaker 1: the concepts of good and evil? What is that? What
Speaker 1: is beyond what I could see at four years old?
Speaker 1: And I also felt like I was super intuitive even
Speaker 1: at that age. I felt like at that age I
Speaker 1: could kind of look at someone, kind of know what
Speaker 1: they were thinking, and it made them very uncomfortable. So
Speaker 1: cut to someone gives me a tarot deck like when
Speaker 1: I'm eight, and I'm like, oh my god, it's the same.
Speaker 1: It's the same language as those books. It's what Carl
Speaker 1: Young was talking. It's all inter related. Remember which was
Speaker 1: I think it was just a basic writer weight deck
Speaker 1: um so which should be called the writer wait Smith's
Speaker 1: deck because one of the artists, Pamela Coleman Smith, who
Speaker 1: has there's a book out about her, and Mary Kay Greer,
Speaker 1: who was one of the people I gravitated towards her
Speaker 1: tarot books back in the days, one of the authors
Speaker 1: of that. So I became interested in taro because of that,
Speaker 1: and I was always interested in weird so tamis scorpio ye,
Speaker 1: So it just was a natural extension. This is like
Speaker 1: my little catchphrase for terror, and I've had this my
Speaker 1: whole life, which is it's kind of like a shrink
Speaker 1: in a box, you know, it's literally a way to
Speaker 1: go what's happening. Carl Young says the best way to
Speaker 1: predict the future is de termined now the present of
Speaker 1: all from the past. So is there a little magic
Speaker 1: and mysticism in the taro. Absolutely, But really it's just
Speaker 1: a very practical way because I can look at an
Speaker 1: image and and it evokes an emotion of visceral emotion
Speaker 1: in me, and you're going to have a completely different
Speaker 1: reaction to that. So that's kind of where I think
Speaker 1: there's the magic of terror. It's interesting because I showed
Speaker 1: my son who's almost seven, a tarot deck recently, and
Speaker 1: his reactions to the cards were really interesting. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: just some of the darker cards. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is really cool. This is really powerful, which is
Speaker 1: really what a lot of them mean. But to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, but that's a kid resonated with the image.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody needs to have explained here. It's the
Speaker 1: visceral feeling. So to me, I became interested in tarot
Speaker 1: because if that, and then coincidentally, before I got the craft,
Speaker 1: like this is actually a true story, Like about nine
Speaker 1: months before I that script landed in my lap, my
Speaker 1: TV broke, so I just really delved into tarot studies,
Speaker 1: Like I have notebooks and notebooks of you know, just
Speaker 1: my thoughts and my my layouts and my readings and
Speaker 1: all those things. And so when the script showed up
Speaker 1: nine months later, I was like, I think I'm ready
Speaker 1: for this ship. And if anyone's gonna be a black,
Speaker 1: which it's me. So um cut to again after I
Speaker 1: was sort of recovered, you know, I remember like disassociating
Speaker 1: from my body floating up to the ceiling as I
Speaker 1: spread out on the couch, right, And that was my
Speaker 1: clue to get back in my body, get healthy again.
Speaker 1: And that is why I appreciate it when people say
Speaker 1: you look good or you look good, because I'm okay
Speaker 1: work for this ship, and I do a tribute Tarot
Speaker 1: to helping me get through some of those more difficult moments,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I was supposed to play Marie
Speaker 1: la Vaux in a movie. I had read car It's
Speaker 1: for myself and my friends for years and years, but
Speaker 1: I've never read for like strangers, you know what i mean. Like,
Speaker 1: so I was like, all right, I'll go, you know,
Speaker 1: do some Tarot at House of Intuition. And it was
Speaker 1: fucking interesting. So people would come in and be staring
Speaker 1: at me. Hopefully that movie will come back together because
Speaker 1: it fell apart in prime indie style as their want
Speaker 1: to do. By the way, House of Intuition, um is
Speaker 1: an echo park, right, sure, I think it's a there's
Speaker 1: a few. There's one on Melrose. Actually, oh nice. But
Speaker 1: they were they were actually really strange with me. They
Speaker 1: were supposed to were supposed to develop a product together
Speaker 1: and stuff, and we did it, and so eventually I
Speaker 1: just to do your own well you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They got mad at me for not putting them on
Speaker 1: my Instagram and I was like, you got your own, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean really, like, listen, now I can read people
Speaker 1: without the cards, and that's what I believe for everyone,
Speaker 1: uh is that we have intuition right gut and and
Speaker 1: we're learning now how much gut bacteria and gut stuff
Speaker 1: is so important to our mental health. And so there
Speaker 1: that expression gut intuition comes from something. And so what
Speaker 1: I love Tarot cards for his helping me discern you
Speaker 1: know what's real? What's memorys and memras is an old thing,
Speaker 1: but you know what's real and what do you want
Speaker 1: it to be? I think that's the hardest thing for
Speaker 1: territy and what are you afraid of? And where are
Speaker 1: you afraid of? And also when you look at it, Zack,
Speaker 1: there's seventy eight cards, right, there's twenty two major arcanas,
Speaker 1: and those carry more weight when you get them. Because,
Speaker 1: by the way, I keep forgetting to mention, I sold
Speaker 1: a book like I was Bury the lead. So the
Speaker 1: exciting part of coming out of all that when doing
Speaker 1: the Tarot work was I sold a book to Houghton
Speaker 1: Mifflin Harcourt, which to me was like a big deal.
Speaker 1: You know, I was an autor as a kid, I
Speaker 1: read a book a day. So now to be able
Speaker 1: to write a book and write it myself, to not
Speaker 1: only go stritten like a lot of actors do has
Speaker 1: been an interesting process. I don't know how you do it,
Speaker 1: but I'm so excited because the goal of the book
Speaker 1: True Heart, tarow Um and deck set I'm designing a
Speaker 1: deck with a young Canadian artist as well, is to
Speaker 1: reach people who, you know, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: my people, my brown people, are really scared of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I want to be like, it's just paper and cards, people,
Speaker 1: and a way to get in touch with yourself, like
Speaker 1: is my religious friends say God is everywhere. God is everywhere,
Speaker 1: but then God is inside you, right, So this is
Speaker 1: a way for you to get in touch with the
Speaker 1: knowledge that God, the God inside you, can give you. Um.
Speaker 1: That's what I hope because I so many little girls
Speaker 1: come up to me and they're like, I really want
Speaker 1: to be to do terror, but my mom says the devil,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know what terror you're doing
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't. I don't mess with the
Speaker 1: devil or things like that incompatible if Christianity, right, it's
Speaker 1: not out of alignment with christ consciousness or whatever your
Speaker 1: bag is, you know, which is not mine. Thank you parents.
Speaker 1: But the book also has twenty two memoir essays by
Speaker 1: the way, So it's for the major arcan is from
Speaker 1: the Fool to the World. Some of those are nineties stuff.
Speaker 1: Some of those are about my life now just you know,
Speaker 1: to different things. But boy, do you get tired of
Speaker 1: yourself when about you do? And then because it's a
Speaker 1: terrib book, I'm talking about heavy cards, I've got to
Speaker 1: cough up some stuff from my life that I'm not
Speaker 1: that happy about and that like my devils say, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so mortified, but you know what we all have
Speaker 1: done things were mortified about. I think you know, or
Speaker 1: maybe I'm the only one. Uh no, that's sounds good.
Speaker 1: So it's like psychology. It's like you have to deal
Speaker 1: with the things you don't want to deal with. Well,
Speaker 1: that's you know what's interesting. I was doing terror readings
Speaker 1: for a friend of mine who was a trainer, and
Speaker 1: um we did a few readings and by the fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth reading, she was like, this is getting really difficult.
Speaker 1: This is getting harder. And I said, yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: like your workouts. And she was like, oh, and I
Speaker 1: do find the more work I do with that's the
Speaker 1: more um in alignment I get in other areas like
Speaker 1: I've let go of you know, like, let's say, you
Speaker 1: know those friends we all have that we we are
Speaker 1: always have confrontation with or there's some kind of pull
Speaker 1: to them, but we talked shit about that. They're gone
Speaker 1: because you know what, with my friends, we want to
Speaker 1: throw roses at each other's back, so we don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about each other, right, um, and I feel
Speaker 1: really great now, And it's weird because I'm old now.
Speaker 1: I was saying, I wish I figured some of this
Speaker 1: stuff out earlier. I guess is my lament? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because you're right, I'm not old,
Speaker 1: but that's how you're writing the book because you're like,
Speaker 1: if I can pass any of you exact, I hope.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of like why winch on about how
Speaker 1: stuff on Twitter, you know, and just try to say, hey,
Speaker 1: women like men. Women don't fear aging you know, because
Speaker 1: I had a brother who passed away twenty eight. You know,
Speaker 1: the alternative to not being my age is being dead.
Speaker 1: So I'm fine with being my age. We talked about
Speaker 1: this also, how old are you? That's why always talks
Speaker 1: about being a time lord because sometimes I feel like
Speaker 1: I slipped through time and I don't need some time
Speaker 1: you are an ageless traveler. As you get older, you
Speaker 1: realize you're never going to like feel dor You're just
Speaker 1: going to like be yourself. That's good, you know that,
Speaker 1: because it's true. I just feel like me earning and disappointing.
Speaker 1: It is comforting, dead pointing. There's different areas where I'm
Speaker 1: more mature, you know, Like now I really understand. Somebody said,
Speaker 1: what did you learn from your exes? And I've learned
Speaker 1: from all of them, like heavy is the head that
Speaker 1: wears the crown because this is my kingdom. So I
Speaker 1: cannot afford to let in people, places or things that
Speaker 1: are going to mess with mess with the flow of that.
Speaker 1: So that's nice to know it as adult, because when
Speaker 1: I was younger, I was like, oh, you're a horrible guy. Hi.
Speaker 1: So just shifting things like that, well, I feel like
Speaker 1: also like the reason that people fear aging especially women
Speaker 1: is because like you don't see older women in movies
Speaker 1: and TV as much as you see the reality, and
Speaker 1: in reality, everybody knows cool women of all ages. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're just like that's normal. But then it's like
Speaker 1: if you don't see it in movies, you start to
Speaker 1: be like, is it really, you guys. I went from
Speaker 1: so I'm I sick. Come I always played ten years
Speaker 1: younger than I was. But anyway, after that ended and
Speaker 1: I got I wasn't even sick yet, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: my b et started blasting my age every six months,
Speaker 1: and I was like, thanks, be fucking I remember the nineties,
Speaker 1: I didn't interview with them, and they kept saying, I said,
Speaker 1: as a black actress, and they were like African American,
Speaker 1: and I was like, aren't you the black entertain But
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my auditions literally when from like,
Speaker 1: you know, thirty five forty year old woman to grandma's
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're familiar with the black
Speaker 1: grandma on the couch trope, right, But that's not me,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not, oh so tired, I just got home
Speaker 1: from church, y'all. That's not me yet. It will be
Speaker 1: me soon And could I could I be a grandma
Speaker 1: in real life? Absolutely? This is what I always say about.
Speaker 1: This is why women love the Real Housewives franchise is
Speaker 1: because it's about women, like women having the dumbest fights.
Speaker 1: So we're not saying all the time, and that's like
Speaker 1: the luxury. That's why I tell it like brain bleach
Speaker 1: because I watched it. Yeah, it's like, oh, these stupid
Speaker 1: problems that don't matter. But this is why Felicia Fasanos
Speaker 1: cast person for a bunch of different shows, but for
Speaker 1: better things. Kind of hunted me down in August. But
Speaker 1: I love this show so much because it is about
Speaker 1: a grown woman. Pamela is exactly my age. So I
Speaker 1: fought the show for the whole first year and didn't
Speaker 1: watch it because I was like, oh, yeah, it's about
Speaker 1: a mother and her kids on I don't have kids,
Speaker 1: I'm bad. And then I finally watched an Oh, it's
Speaker 1: not about a mother and a kid, it's just about
Speaker 1: being a woman. You know. That's it's such a great show.
Speaker 1: So I'm thrilled to be a part of that. And
Speaker 1: also let me sing her praises for how she shot
Speaker 1: that show was literally like working on the nineties uh
Speaker 1: indie film, like a sun Dance indie movie. She's got
Speaker 1: four different cameras going. She's literally directing and acting in
Speaker 1: this and still has time to go. Yo. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get Rachel a fan. She's having a hot flag.
Speaker 1: So it was incredible. It was an actor's sandbox. It's
Speaker 1: not that I'm more discerning about what I do at all.
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever. I got sucked out of a plane
Speaker 1: in um Sharknado twelve. You know, I don't care. But
Speaker 1: to be able to do that kind of stuff is
Speaker 1: is a turn on, well, a king of entertainment for
Speaker 1: grown ups. Um, maybe the dark side of entertainment for
Speaker 1: grown ups. In continuing our erotic odyssey, we watched the
Speaker 1: William Freakent film Jade this week, and uh, lucky for us,
Speaker 1: Rachel has also seen Jade. I don't know how recently.
Speaker 1: When was the lass Okay, I was going to do
Speaker 1: prep yesterday and then I was like, no, no, I
Speaker 1: have seen it. You remember, Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's all
Speaker 1: we need. As long as you have the impression of
Speaker 1: it somewhere in your mind, doesn't had anyone ever seen
Speaker 1: Jade before Rachel? I had seen parts of it, I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen the whole thing. I had never seen it.
Speaker 1: I just knew it's legendary, legendary bomb yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a career killer from some like it. Basically,
Speaker 1: this end show Girls was sort of the end of
Speaker 1: the favorite screenwriter of all time ever. They said they
Speaker 1: rewrote this whole script, but there was one line in
Speaker 1: there that we all know was Joe. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: best line, which is Crystal Beluga Wolfgang Puck. It's a
Speaker 1: fun house that sounds Coke Field if you're a little
Speaker 1: bit from the nineties movie. Um, I hated this film
Speaker 1: like so well. I we finished watching it and I
Speaker 1: was like, I could not tell you the plot of that,
Speaker 1: Like I could not tell you what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: Linda Fiorentino's the head of a ring of prostitutes, will
Speaker 1: give you whatever you want, you whatever you want, and
Speaker 1: they're Blackmailllion the governor. Did Linda Fiorentino? Mary, Like, where'd
Speaker 1: she go? Because she's a amazing and I hope she
Speaker 1: married a gazillionaire and it's a gazillionaire herself right on
Speaker 1: her own marit. But just like how freaking directed her
Speaker 1: and basically everybody in this movie, but like especially her
Speaker 1: to just like talk in her very so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's just like just like the very very lowest you
Speaker 1: could be still good. But you guys have to understand
Speaker 1: that Linda Fiarentino in the nineties, but that was definitely
Speaker 1: everything talk very love. But also she was considered very ethnic.
Speaker 1: Well that okay, because Italian, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's weird. But there's also a very weird
Speaker 1: subtext in this movie where you're like, why isn't she Asian? Me?
Speaker 1: If she was Asian, it feels like the it feels
Speaker 1: like the Ring of Prostitute should be Her name is Jade,
Speaker 1: and the whole tax place from China town and they talk,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole movie takes place from China towns,
Speaker 1: and the whole thing, the whole like visual theme of
Speaker 1: the movie is Asian stuff. Various people running through Chinese
Speaker 1: people trying to do stuff, trying to have a parade,
Speaker 1: do their tie to you guys. In an Asian woman
Speaker 1: in that role would have been such a trope, right,
Speaker 1: But also just know that it was the nineties and
Speaker 1: they went, well, we could cast some in Asian, but
Speaker 1: that won't sell. So let's get someone who's white but
Speaker 1: not entirely what she's Italian, that's kind of ethnic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put Linda in there. That's so by the way, the
Speaker 1: casting of this several people turned down roles. I would
Speaker 1: just like to just briefly pass through. Warren Beatty turned
Speaker 1: down the role of David CORRELLI before yeah, David Crelli
Speaker 1: before it went to David Cruz. So, David Cruso I
Speaker 1: blame for much of how David Caruso is the reason
Speaker 1: this movie does not work. They dress why was this
Speaker 1: these David care apologies to David curru Sorry David. People,
Speaker 1: A lot of anybody does in this movie. To be fair, like,
Speaker 1: he's not a void of sexual charisma. Oh Chas Pomentarius
Speaker 1: way hotter than David krus don't want to fuck him either.
Speaker 1: That was that role was offered to Kenneth Branda. So,
Speaker 1: but then Julia Roberts and Sharon Stone turned down Katrina Gavin,
Speaker 1: which went to Linda Fiorentina. But she was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to take the role unless you toned down
Speaker 1: the prostitution stuff. So, I mean this this movie was
Speaker 1: so rewritten. And William Friedkin super strangely was like, I
Speaker 1: am the most proud of this movie. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: He was like, I think it was maybe the Exorcist curse. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's why. That's that's say. It's because like listen, I
Speaker 1: I remember Carusoe leaving his TV show and all that,
Speaker 1: and I The reason I remember is because even then
Speaker 1: I remember thinking Mother is going to leave his own
Speaker 1: show and he barely charismic. Charismic, but listen, he's a
Speaker 1: great actor. I've always thought he was a tremendous actor.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's an interesting move to leave your
Speaker 1: own lead TV show where you're making gazillions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a luxury that white people have hot
Speaker 1: they can quit their high paying job. Listen, every job
Speaker 1: I've ever got, almost I've been told you better take
Speaker 1: it or leave it. They have another black girl. So
Speaker 1: that is the world I come from. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: this mother bugger is leaving a show. But also the nineties,
Speaker 1: big stars were doing adverts in Japan, you know, commercials
Speaker 1: and adverts and big stars TV stars, where TV was
Speaker 1: TV film never the Twain Shall meet. You did not
Speaker 1: cross You did not cross over. So it's very different
Speaker 1: than now. It was such well, I was saying, also,
Speaker 1: like when did Clooney depart e R because he's the
Speaker 1: successful version of Caruso trying to leave in White People.
Speaker 1: He also left it in like season ten. Though there's
Speaker 1: a difference between leaving your two years. My show is
Speaker 1: the Hottest Show on TV Caruso, who left his Hot
Speaker 1: Show after two weeks. It wasn't like David Caruso, Like,
Speaker 1: he's not George Clooney, the d as a red heat
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to talk about. You say that this is
Speaker 1: not about all male redhead Well, it's also the word
Speaker 1: drive in this movie was like there were crimes committed.
Speaker 1: Come on the nineties, which was better than the eighties. Like,
Speaker 1: by the way, I had to bite of a sun
Speaker 1: dried tomato the other day flashback, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's out of my mouth. Well, talked about our our
Speaker 1: plans to do a like nineties theme cafe called Romaine Memory.
Speaker 1: That's one of our side projects to all sundried tomatoes.
Speaker 1: Every time you guys that you love that, because you guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I shouldn't. I'll stop saying the old
Speaker 1: But you guys are younger, And what is it about
Speaker 1: that decade that you guys gravitate towards and now we
Speaker 1: live in a younger I think it was the thing
Speaker 1: of not really being able to participate in it fully,
Speaker 1: Like you guys are like a couple of years older
Speaker 1: than me. But I think it's the thing of like
Speaker 1: when you're on the cusp of being able to participate
Speaker 1: culturally in a decade, then you want to like you
Speaker 1: want or you visited even more once, Like I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, we not to load this podcast with lots
Speaker 1: of nine eleven, but let's go ahead. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you look back to your parents in the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties and especially now, and you're just like, well,
Speaker 1: my parents were my age, you know, in the early eighties.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The idea that people in these movies are
Speaker 1: like the age that we are is like hilarious and
Speaker 1: and hard, like the Cradle. I'm like, look at all
Speaker 1: these grown ups they must be Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like somebody I saw somebody on Twitter talking about
Speaker 1: like we're working up through the nostalgia through these different decades,
Speaker 1: and we're kind of nearing the end of the run
Speaker 1: of nineties nostalgia movies and TV and everything. But it's
Speaker 1: going to be really weird to see how like TV
Speaker 1: and film reckons with any kind of nostalgia. It Also,
Speaker 1: I mean, the odds were kind of shitty to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't never want to see another juicy
Speaker 1: track suit in my life. Yeah, I have no no
Speaker 1: nostalgia for that period, as I always I found and
Speaker 1: I read an article about them. You know, they were
Speaker 1: talking about Gen X and a silent generation and maybe
Speaker 1: it's because they were so disappointed by all the promises
Speaker 1: of their youth. And I was like, what promises we
Speaker 1: were the generation were told you will not you will
Speaker 1: not be more successful than your parents, and we were
Speaker 1: told your life is ship and it's going to be shipped.
Speaker 1: And they were kind of right. I mean, again, what
Speaker 1: generation are you? I'm a I'm an old millennial. I'm
Speaker 1: the oldest Gen X. Someone said to me, no, you're
Speaker 1: a baby boomer and I was like, like I was
Speaker 1: in a Gregor Hockey movie. Yeah, that's what I said
Speaker 1: to I was like, listen, I am literally the man
Speaker 1: a pixie black girl of nineties. All I knew was like,
Speaker 1: I remember this stink moment the eighties ended for me
Speaker 1: and and the nineties began. Was this boy asked me
Speaker 1: this guy's hot guy I was dating who's now a
Speaker 1: famous actors and meet me at his house. And I
Speaker 1: go to the apartment building and I hear two doors.
Speaker 1: One door is a Billy Joel. There's people inside singing,
Speaker 1: we will all go down with the ship. And I
Speaker 1: was like to do outside the door and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh funk, I shouldn't day I bore, Oh god, that's I.
Speaker 1: I don't uh do I knock them do it? And
Speaker 1: then the other door Nervana blasting vanna, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's my door. And that was you know, that to
Speaker 1: me was the end of the eighties atrocities, because this
Speaker 1: period of time is bringing up a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: for older people. Because I remember walking in New York
Speaker 1: City and they need a hilverd. It came down and
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, I don't know, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: true or not, but I know as a black woman,
Speaker 1: no one's ever gonna believe me. And it's really racist,
Speaker 1: isn't it. This world is really And so then I
Speaker 1: kind of put a lot of that aside to be
Speaker 1: an actor. And now it's now it's the same And
Speaker 1: according to my eighties something your old stepmother you just
Speaker 1: lived through. Obviously the sixties fifties, who's black woman from
Speaker 1: the South. She says it's worse now than it's ever been.
Speaker 1: My parents insists that it's like less crazy than nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty nine. But I don't believe them because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think we're at the same level at this point
Speaker 1: at least. And they're like, you don't understand, like we
Speaker 1: thought everything might change. And I was like, that's how
Speaker 1: every feel that. But here's what I'll say, afy, Because
Speaker 1: you guys asked me to bring my tarot cards. I
Speaker 1: use a bunch of different decks, you guys, many many
Speaker 1: different decks. But I would say if I hadn't to
Speaker 1: pick a tarot card, right, there's heavy tarot cards, there's
Speaker 1: great card tar cards. But one thing I try to
Speaker 1: press in the book is I don't do reversals. I
Speaker 1: do high and low vibe. Right, So even the worst
Speaker 1: cards like the Devil has has has a vibe where
Speaker 1: you can start to look at your bad habits, right,
Speaker 1: you can see some good in it. And I would
Speaker 1: say the card that represents now to me is the
Speaker 1: tower card. Is anyone are you familiar with tarots? To
Speaker 1: the tower card? If you look at a traditional card,
Speaker 1: it's literally a reference to the Tower of Babbel, really uh.
Speaker 1: And and that is when Man and the hubrews to
Speaker 1: think they could build a tower up to God, and
Speaker 1: God was like yeah, no, bam and and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make it so y'all speak all different languages, so you
Speaker 1: can't communicate, which is where babble comes from. Right So, um,
Speaker 1: the tower of babbles when the foundation of everything has
Speaker 1: been in shake, shaken, And in some ways that card
Speaker 1: represents actual death, I think more so than death card.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a little literal evisileration end of something.
Speaker 1: But the other side of the Tarot card that I
Speaker 1: quite like, is it his spiritual enlightenment. You know, you
Speaker 1: can have this epiphany, a bolt of lightning, a spiritual
Speaker 1: thing that is just as dramatic as an earthquake. Right So,
Speaker 1: I think that represents to me this time period that
Speaker 1: we're in. And again, I'm really great. I think if
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, i'd be losing my ship right now.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm I'm old enough to step back and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh huh. We have racist president, we have this, we
Speaker 1: have all these things. But I understand that things will
Speaker 1: change because a lot of instead of being reactionary like
Speaker 1: I went, oh my God, like I would literally be
Speaker 1: broken out hives if I was younger now with the
Speaker 1: state of things, because that's me. I break out in
Speaker 1: hives when I get nervous. So fun for shooting, by
Speaker 1: the way, so fun. This is maybe the kick in
Speaker 1: the ass. Some of my white liberal friends need to
Speaker 1: stop telling me that this isn't real and it is
Speaker 1: opening a lot of people's eyes, And personally, I think
Speaker 1: there's at least three of my white friends when we apologies.
Speaker 1: You know who you are. I am certain that you
Speaker 1: will get them. Yeah. If not, I'll write about them
Speaker 1: in my book. Yeah exactly. Now you can tell people
Speaker 1: that that you're going to write them about them in
Speaker 1: your book. How do you decide what to because I
Speaker 1: actually it was like, oh, I'm going to use pseudonyms
Speaker 1: first of all, But do I write about this thing
Speaker 1: where someone would be able to recognize themselves in it?
Speaker 1: And it's my opinion, I've heard that people are very
Speaker 1: bad at identifying themselves. Uh in nonfiction, I think you'd
Speaker 1: change like one characteristic they exactly nobody. People are notoriously bad.
Speaker 1: If it's like a blonde person and you're like they
Speaker 1: had brown hair, they will never know. They're like, can't
Speaker 1: be me? It's sure. A friend wrote about me in
Speaker 1: their book and I read it and I didn't recognize
Speaker 1: myself because he was like, she wore belly shirts and
Speaker 1: I was like, I have never worn a goddamn bell.
Speaker 1: She changed it. Yeah, and and there was enough to
Speaker 1: make me not recognize myself in this thing. If you
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Speaker 1: that one yet. Oh. I have no chance of my
Speaker 1: name on TikTok apparently, so we will talk. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get your tarot deck when it comes out. And
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Speaker 1: guys so much for having me. I love this podcast.
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