Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
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Speaker 1: your hearts. So today I am joined by the powerhouse
Speaker 1: female best friends behind Sacara Life, a whole food, nutrition
Speaker 1: and supplement brand for your body, skin, and mind. Danielle
Speaker 1: Dubois and Whitney Tingle were childhood friends that began their
Speaker 1: incredibly successful business out of their very tiny New York
Speaker 1: City kitchen in their very tiny apartment. I don't even
Speaker 1: think it was a full kitchen, it was a kitchenette.
Speaker 1: I know from personal experience how amazing and delicious Sacara
Speaker 1: Life Food is and have used their meal service several
Speaker 1: several times for my entire family. It does not feel
Speaker 1: like starvation, It does not feel like a diet. It
Speaker 1: feels like just delicious healthy food. You are never hungry,
Speaker 1: and it's such a treat if you can try it
Speaker 1: even once to set yourself on a great healthy routine.
Speaker 1: Danielle and Whitney have continued to grow their brand to
Speaker 1: monts proportions. I cannot believe how big they are and
Speaker 1: have a cookbook and a podcast, and I know it's
Speaker 1: only the beginning for these amazing young women, So let's
Speaker 1: jump right in. I'm very happy to see you, guys.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've known you for a long time,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I've known you since you started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and now I've been the like lucky recipient
Speaker 1: of Sakara so many times in my life, like if
Speaker 1: I come off like a huge stretch of work and
Speaker 1: I'm feeling really burnt out or like I was sick,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like I need to nourish myself.
Speaker 2: I just love Sacara because you're.
Speaker 1: Never hungry and everything just like the food's so good.
Speaker 1: And then I love what you guys started, and I
Speaker 1: want to go back a little to the beginning, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it was monumentally different and better than
Speaker 1: what has existed in a space of you know, drink
Speaker 1: this huge bucket of like cayen chili peppers or whatever
Speaker 1: when people needed to like reset and feel better. And
Speaker 1: so I want to talk first about, you know, just briefly,
Speaker 1: like how like how did this even happen? Because you guys,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stories of you know,
Speaker 1: founders that were like best friends in you know, college,
Speaker 1: or you know, started this out of their room or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I want to know a little bit about how
Speaker 1: you found each other first and foremost, and how many
Speaker 1: years ago that was, because it's you know, it's not
Speaker 1: always the happy ending of you know best that start
Speaker 1: things together.
Speaker 3: Well, Danielle and I grew up together in Sodona, Arizona.
Speaker 3: Have you been to Sedona?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have. I've been there twice. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. It's like.
Speaker 3: Lots of spirituality, lots of people coming from all around
Speaker 3: the world seeking different forms of healing. There's lots of
Speaker 3: different healing modalities there, nutrition being one of them, using
Speaker 3: herbs and super foods and mother nature really.
Speaker 4: To help feels the vindy.
Speaker 3: My parents moved there in seventy six, Danielle's grandparents I
Speaker 3: think right around the same time in the seventies, and
Speaker 3: so we grew up together. There we met. I was
Speaker 3: the new girl in school. I switched to schools in
Speaker 3: seventh grade and in my first period math class, I
Speaker 3: you know, my very first class. I come in and
Speaker 3: I sit down and this girl is sitting in front of me.
Speaker 3: She leans back over her chair and she goes, Hi,
Speaker 3: I'm Danielle And I borrowed a pen end of story friend.
Speaker 2: That's so cute. And how old were you at that time,
Speaker 2: like thirteen twelve?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had tested out a different school before this
Speaker 3: one that you know. First, I went to a very small,
Speaker 3: very alternative charter school, Montessori based charter school. It was,
Speaker 3: you know, forty five kids, and so by the time
Speaker 3: I was twelve, I was like, I want to be
Speaker 3: around some more people, some boys. So I tried this
Speaker 3: other school first, and it was filled with mean girls
Speaker 3: and I know that well yeah, and it wasn't my vibe.
Speaker 3: So I tried this other school and it was amazing,
Speaker 3: and all of the most popular girls in school were
Speaker 3: the nicest girls.
Speaker 2: That never happened. That never happens.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's such an important point because it's
Speaker 4: something we've really tried to carry through and how we
Speaker 4: have built the business. You know, we have historically had
Speaker 4: a lot of women and a lot of women in
Speaker 4: leadership roles. And to make sure that the culture stays
Speaker 4: one of rooting each other on, of seeing the best
Speaker 4: in people, of assuming everyone's doing their best no matter
Speaker 4: what it has been like really a top priority for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No cattiness, no competition, no mean girls club.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's by the way, that's the impetus for
Speaker 1: climbing and heels, you know. I mean the reason that
Speaker 1: I started this podcast was because I was mean girl
Speaker 1: since kindergarten and I've been listen, I've continued to battle
Speaker 1: mean girls throughout my entire life and career, and I
Speaker 1: just felt that this was such an amazing forum to
Speaker 1: pay it forward to amazing women that you know, I
Speaker 1: just want to continue to support in every single way.
Speaker 1: And I think that it's important to talk about the
Speaker 1: journeys of how you get to the top of where
Speaker 1: you are. And I think this is such an important
Speaker 1: point that you're talking about because it's something that I
Speaker 1: so strongly believe in and advocate for as women being
Speaker 1: kind to women.
Speaker 2: And I think for you.
Speaker 1: Guys, it's like the fact that you literally said that
Speaker 1: Danielle's to you and you had come off as like
Speaker 1: mean girl, and she was like no, And that the
Speaker 1: fact that the popular girls were nice. I think that
Speaker 1: that carrying that through and through your adulthood is so important,
Speaker 1: you know, because I think sometimes how we grew up
Speaker 1: it was sort of like the mean girls were the
Speaker 1: cool girls, and the jerk boys were the hot guys,
Speaker 1: and the nerdy boys were the nice boys, and you
Speaker 1: know all the things. Yeah, And I think changing that
Speaker 1: whole landscape, I think now, so it's so cool to
Speaker 1: be nice, you know, so.
Speaker 4: Well, You've been so nice to us and supportive and
Speaker 4: sharing us on from the beginning. So thank you.
Speaker 2: I will always I'm such a believer in it.
Speaker 3: And I think that it is a secret to our
Speaker 3: success is that we care deeply for each other. And
Speaker 3: it kind of starts with that foundation of being nice
Speaker 3: girls and and having that respect for each other. We
Speaker 3: always say that first and foremost do we care for
Speaker 3: each other as people, as humans, as individuals before the business,
Speaker 3: that we if each of us are happy in our lives,
Speaker 3: if we're feeling good, if we're feeling taken care of,
Speaker 3: if we're doing work that is inspiring, then we're going
Speaker 3: to do better at work. And if things aren't going
Speaker 3: well from a relationship perspective or from our own personal
Speaker 3: relationships or whatever it is, we're not going to show
Speaker 3: up as our best. So kind of you know, nurturing
Speaker 3: each other in allowing space for us to be real humans,
Speaker 3: not just you know, co workers or employees of our company.
Speaker 3: And that's allowed for this stamina, I would say, like
Speaker 3: being able to endure the past thirteen years.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, so, they also work their
Speaker 2: asses off, right.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that you have. I've seen it,
Speaker 1: I've lived it. I've seen you from the beginning. So
Speaker 1: you start, okay, so you're best friends immediately. I imagine you
Speaker 1: stayed best friends all through high school and everything else. Right,
Speaker 1: So what happened after you graduate high school? Do you
Speaker 1: go to college or do you start a business or both?
Speaker 2: So I moved to.
Speaker 4: New York for college. I wanted to study pre med.
Speaker 4: Whitney went to Arizona for college and then did some
Speaker 4: time in Spain. And it was around that time, you know,
Speaker 4: she had one more year to graduate and she was
Speaker 4: thinking about LA or New York, and I was like,
Speaker 4: come to New York. It's the best. You're gonna love it.
Speaker 4: You can just shoot with me.
Speaker 3: She was like, come live in my apartment. You can
Speaker 3: sleep in my bed, you can wear all my clothes.
Speaker 3: We'll figure it out. She was like, don't bring anything.
Speaker 3: She was like, no, really, don't bring anything. We have
Speaker 3: no space for any of your stuff.
Speaker 2: She's like, actually, you can't come here if you bring anything.
Speaker 2: For a long time, I know.
Speaker 3: So I moved in with her. She was in this
Speaker 3: two bedroom wing apartment in Soho. So it's the small bedrooms.
Speaker 3: Her bed was almost touching all of the walls in
Speaker 3: her room, and you know, shared it with another girl.
Speaker 3: And there was this tiny little kitchenette in the hallway,
Speaker 3: and they made space in the pantry for me to
Speaker 3: come with my one suitcase. And yeah, and we figured
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: I love it so much. I love it so much.
Speaker 4: It is it was so fun. We had so much fun.
Speaker 4: Probably too much.
Speaker 2: Fun as it is in New York.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. But you know the kind of start of sakara,
Speaker 4: I'd say it was when we were kids, Like I
Speaker 4: suffered from a lot of disordered eating patterns, you know,
Speaker 4: and it was never officially diagnosed because I never wanted
Speaker 4: to admit it to anyone, and I hopped from diet
Speaker 4: to diet and was always just looking for the solution
Speaker 4: thought that you know, my thinness was wrapped up into
Speaker 4: my wordiness and my power in the world. And I
Speaker 4: had a terrible relationship to food. Food was always the enemy.
Speaker 4: So less was always better no matter what it was.
Speaker 4: It was never about listening to my body, taking care
Speaker 4: of my body. It was just with this kind of
Speaker 4: aim to be thinner.
Speaker 2: And money and so much of the world, yes.
Speaker 4: So many of us. And I my mom was also
Speaker 4: very sick for my entire life, and in and out
Speaker 4: of the hospital all the time. So we were, you know,
Speaker 4: with medical professionals and doctors all the time. And you know,
Speaker 4: I saw many doctors save her life, and then I
Speaker 4: saw many doctors make her life more difficult because they
Speaker 4: didn't really understand root cause they didn't understand how to
Speaker 4: take care of chronic conditions. They were great at like
Speaker 4: acute conditions like you have a heart attack, thank God,
Speaker 4: but when you're talking about like long term autoimmune issues
Speaker 4: or you know, chronic anything, they really couldn't help her.
Speaker 4: And so I moved to New York to study medicine,
Speaker 4: and it was you know, around that time, I'd been
Speaker 4: working in a hospital and with the cardiologists, and we
Speaker 4: were seeing people with really late stage autoimmune issues and
Speaker 4: lifestyle diseases. And after you see so many patients, it's
Speaker 4: like you start to just realize that we actually don't
Speaker 4: have the tools to help them long term. Sometimes we
Speaker 4: have the tools to help them in the short term
Speaker 4: with pain relief, with symptom relief, but nobody's really talking
Speaker 4: about let's get to the core issue. And so then
Speaker 4: they get moved around and you see the dietitian or
Speaker 4: see another specialists, and it's just so disorganized. And I
Speaker 4: was kind of at the bottom of my own journey.
Speaker 4: I had done this crazy retreat and it was twenty
Speaker 4: one days and it was a water fast and it
Speaker 4: was so intense.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Though I think there is room for that in one's
Speaker 4: kind of like spiritual work if you have a healthy
Speaker 4: relationship to food. I did not, and so it just
Speaker 4: took me down. And I wasn't looking at it as
Speaker 4: like this spiritual kind of thing. I got like this
Speaker 4: spiritual revolution that I needed, but I had no idea
Speaker 4: that's what I was in for because it put me
Speaker 4: to rock bottom, and you know, it was a blessing
Speaker 4: now that I you know, look back and I'm grateful
Speaker 4: for it. It just made me realize that I really
Speaker 4: had to renegotiate my relationship to food or I was
Speaker 4: going to be sick forever. And I had, you know,
Speaker 4: been to doctors because I had gut issues. They give
Speaker 4: me IBS as this umbrella term of like we don't know.
Speaker 1: I was so trying to diagnose you, well, like these
Speaker 1: your symptoms great, right, yeah, And.
Speaker 4: You know, now fifteen years later, after I have studied
Speaker 4: medicine functional medicine and have my master's in it, like,
Speaker 4: I really understand these doctors just don't have the tools
Speaker 4: to understand what is going on. But it really put
Speaker 4: me on a path of after seeing those patients, after
Speaker 4: kind of my self witnessing how you can't really go
Speaker 4: to the conventional medical system with chronic conditions, I really
Speaker 4: wanted to figure out how to you know, help myself
Speaker 4: get out of rock bottom. And luckily, you know, Whitney
Speaker 4: at that time was in New York with me, and
Speaker 4: we were kind of at this bottom together. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my kind of journey to Sakara. Also
Speaker 3: started at a young age. I had terrible cystic acne
Speaker 3: all over my face, big red, painful cysts, and I
Speaker 3: tried everything to fix it. They put me on rounds
Speaker 3: and rounds of antibiotics. I did the acutane. It didn't
Speaker 3: work for me.
Speaker 2: And you know, with the immune system and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's now being connected to things like Crohn's
Speaker 3: and colitis, and who knows. It's a very serious drug.
Speaker 3: And I'm still so shocked that today it's prescribed to
Speaker 3: people all the time by top dermatologists, when really, what
Speaker 3: I didn't know in that time is that acne starts
Speaker 3: in the gut. It's not a skin issue. It's a
Speaker 3: gut issue.
Speaker 2: It's like a microbiome.
Speaker 3: It's microbiome, it's your immune system, it's your own your
Speaker 3: body's bacterial balance, and your body's ability to fight an
Speaker 3: imbalance of bacteria. So, you know, I tried all of
Speaker 3: these things. And when I was moving to New York,
Speaker 3: you know, back to our story moving in with Danielle,
Speaker 3: I was working on Wall Street. My lifestyle was terrible.
Speaker 3: I was working eighty hour work weeks, just go, go, go, NonStop.
Speaker 3: I was you know, as part of my job to
Speaker 3: go out after work and entertain clients and you know,
Speaker 3: drink and my boss would expect me to come and
Speaker 3: have a drink with him.
Speaker 2: I remember that, Yeah, And.
Speaker 3: You know, and then and it's you're eating fried food
Speaker 3: and whatever else with those drinks. And in the office
Speaker 3: there's free pizza Fridays, and the luncheon learns. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm twenty two and broke, so I'm eating whatever food
Speaker 3: they're putting in.
Speaker 2: Front of me, of course.
Speaker 3: And my skin was just at an all time worse,
Speaker 3: Like I had put on a fast fifteen pounds and
Speaker 3: my acne was just in a complete flare up right,
Speaker 3: So I was desperate for my skin to clear up.
Speaker 3: It was affecting my confidence, my career, how I showed
Speaker 3: up in the world, you know, I couldn't hide it.
Speaker 2: It was the power of like clear skin.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do understand, because I have a lot of
Speaker 1: people in my life so affected by acne insisted, and
Speaker 1: it's polarizing. They don't want to actually go out ever,
Speaker 1: they don't want to leave their house because they can't
Speaker 1: look at people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you try and makeup and you're covering it up,
Speaker 3: and that just makes it worse. But I thought, I'm
Speaker 3: in New York City and this city has everything, the
Speaker 3: best of the best. I'm going to go to all
Speaker 3: those I've read about in the magazines, and they're going
Speaker 3: to fix me. And one by one I went to them,
Speaker 3: and one by one they wanted to write me another
Speaker 3: prescription for a mega round of antibiotics, which just makes
Speaker 3: it worse, and as long term side effects by you know,
Speaker 3: passing up your gout microbiome, or another prescription for acutane.
Speaker 3: And I said, I already did those things and they
Speaker 3: didn't work, So what else do you have for me?
Speaker 3: And they basically just said nothing. You know, I can't
Speaker 3: help you. And I was so upset, and because I
Speaker 3: had so much hope set on these people that they
Speaker 3: were going to fix me, and when they didn't have
Speaker 3: the solution, I was devastated. But in that moment, I
Speaker 3: heard my inner voice shouting at me, at this point,
Speaker 3: don't do it. It's not the answer. You need to
Speaker 3: go inside and figure out what is the root cause
Speaker 3: of these symptoms on your face. And that was the
Speaker 3: first time I thought about it as not the thing
Speaker 3: I was trying to fix, but a symptom of the
Speaker 3: actual thing that was going on in my body. And
Speaker 3: so I turned to my best friend, to Danielle, and
Speaker 3: back to our Sedona roots of food as medicine, mother
Speaker 3: Nature's ability to heal, the body's ability to heal if
Speaker 3: given the right tools and ingredients, the right material to
Speaker 3: repair itself. And we decided to come together and figure
Speaker 3: out just for ourselves, like what does true nutrition look like?
Speaker 3: What is the healthiest way of eating? How can we
Speaker 3: give our bodies the cleanest, purest inputs and give it
Speaker 3: what it needs, all the right things so that it
Speaker 3: can function at its best. This is something that so
Speaker 3: many people don't know about nutrition, is that a majority
Speaker 3: of our bodies processes are nutrient dependent, but it needs
Speaker 3: nutrition and order to function properly. So, just like eliminating,
Speaker 3: I had done all the elimination diets, I had eliminated
Speaker 3: everything out of my diet. Danielle and I we tried
Speaker 3: master cleanse, We did all the things, and it didn't
Speaker 3: work because we weren't feeding the body the things that
Speaker 3: needed in order to function properly.
Speaker 4: Right, and the literature really supports this notion that it's
Speaker 4: way more important what you do eat than what you
Speaker 4: don't sure. And I think we just have an obsession
Speaker 4: with what not to eat. And I can say that
Speaker 4: because I was one of them. And you know, it's
Speaker 4: just somehow way more seductive to have a list of
Speaker 4: what not to eat than you know, to think about
Speaker 4: what should I eat every single day instead.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I had sakara, and I
Speaker 1: just remember going, this just feels really good, Like it
Speaker 1: just felt really good. It felt clean, it felt fresh,
Speaker 1: it felt thought out. It wasn't I think that to me,
Speaker 1: you were the first to create something that felt like
Speaker 1: a lifestyle of eating rather than a diet or a
Speaker 1: cleanse and it and I think that that, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is why it's so successful because and I think that
Speaker 1: is a very hard thing to create. And wildly the
Speaker 1: food is so good. And I think that's the other thing,
Speaker 1: because you know, I come from a mother a family
Speaker 1: who loves food, and when you say diet or light
Speaker 1: or restrictive or regimen, it is like a hell no,
Speaker 1: like like they eat everything.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, my parents are older. They don't like when
Speaker 1: you say to them, like gluten free, They're like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know, they're like you need
Speaker 1: gluten or it doesn't taste good. You know, they're in
Speaker 1: their late eighties, like they can eat whatever they want.
Speaker 1: But I guess my point is is that I think
Speaker 1: that more and more now we are seeing the it's
Speaker 1: almost like an epidemic of autoimmunes and chronic disease, and
Speaker 1: it is I have so many friends with autoimmunes, and like,
Speaker 1: to me, it's like this combination of polarizing your immune
Speaker 1: system with antibotics, you know, because they just throw antibotics
Speaker 1: at everything right, and.
Speaker 2: Then you have nothing to fight anything with.
Speaker 1: And too many parents that aren't paying attention when they're
Speaker 1: giving their kids from you know, age zero to when
Speaker 1: they leave the house, just giving them whatever, like here's
Speaker 1: doritos with your lunch or here's whatever. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like there's so many things to prevent it. Now
Speaker 1: we know so much, and so I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys were such pioneers.
Speaker 2: So I want to understand.
Speaker 1: I guess what, like, how in that moment where you
Speaker 1: guys were at rock bottom of your own health problems,
Speaker 1: what happened that you were like, Okay, let's let's do this,
Speaker 1: and how do you do it? Because being entrepreneurial and
Speaker 1: starting a business, especially talking about you guys were living
Speaker 1: in like the teeniest space ever probably four hundred square
Speaker 1: feet to bedroom, Like, you know, how did you have
Speaker 1: the power, the skills, the money like to actually say
Speaker 1: let's do this because it's scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I also just want to add about, you know,
Speaker 4: this idea of autoimmune issues before we get to that
Speaker 4: is like, you know, I do think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of parental responsibility that needs to be had, but I
Speaker 4: actually think the onus is on the people and the
Speaker 4: corporations who are making really bad food. And then we're
Speaker 4: also swimming in a soup of toxic exposure that is
Speaker 4: very new. You know, We're around electronic devices all the time.
Speaker 4: Like there's just a lot that is trying to kind
Speaker 4: of like eat away at our health and our health span.
Speaker 4: And so know, the it was really the start of
Speaker 4: Sapara was to we think about our health as like
Speaker 4: I always say this, I don't I wish I could
Speaker 4: tell you who it was by, but I don't remember.
Speaker 4: But it's something like, you know, a healthy person has
Speaker 4: a thousand dreams and an unhealthy person has one. Right,
Speaker 4: and if you think about your health as something that
Speaker 4: we are very lucky to have. The most important thing
Speaker 4: that we can do is understand how to either get
Speaker 4: back to health or stay healthy. And so we both
Speaker 4: knew that we had to get back to health and
Speaker 4: that we were kind of at this you know, fork
Speaker 4: in the road where we could keep doing what we
Speaker 4: had been doing and probably end up sicker and sicker,
Speaker 4: or we could try and figure out how do we
Speaker 4: actually get back to health and make that our priority,
Speaker 4: not you know, my thinness, not Whitney's acne, but to
Speaker 4: truly get back to a center and to understand what
Speaker 4: is your toolkit? Because for me, as somebody with disordered
Speaker 4: eating patterns, the scariest place in the world to be
Speaker 4: was to be at that rock bottom and have no
Speaker 4: idea how to get out. And so, you know, I
Speaker 4: really appreciate what you said about Sakara being a lifestyle
Speaker 4: versus a diet, because we worked so hard to make
Speaker 4: sure that that was true. You know, That's why we
Speaker 4: talk about this idea of eat clean, play dirty. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I am the first to grab for a
Speaker 4: glass of wine. I had French fries last night. It's
Speaker 4: not about perfection, It's not about what not to eat
Speaker 4: and drink. It's about what you do most of the time.
Speaker 4: And if we could just kind of help people understand
Speaker 4: that your toolkit really needs to be focused on what
Speaker 4: you do do and less on idolizing what not to do.
Speaker 4: Just that shift for people makes such a big deal.
Speaker 4: And so when we started Sakara, we found that out.
Speaker 4: You know, after me I studied nutrition and then we
Speaker 4: just kind of from our Sedona roots, knew so much
Speaker 4: about how people had been looking at nutrition for thousands
Speaker 4: of years and all these ancient modalities and herbs and
Speaker 4: looking at food and plants as medicine, not just like,
Speaker 4: oh I'm hungry and here's some calories. And so we
Speaker 4: came up with, you know, our pillars of nutrition, and
Speaker 4: when we talk about them, none of them are going
Speaker 4: to surprise you. They are all foundational, They are so simple,
Speaker 4: and yet none of us can do it every single day.
Speaker 4: It's so hard. You know. It's like, eat your greens,
Speaker 4: make sure you're getting a lot of colors, make sure
Speaker 4: your plate is full of whole fresh foods versus parson.
Speaker 2: It is very pretty, it's very and.
Speaker 4: Make sure it's delicious. That was a big one for me.
Speaker 4: Because I had dieted so long. I was so used
Speaker 4: to eating you know, cardboard, like you drinking nothing. And
Speaker 4: it was really important that we made this a joyful
Speaker 4: ride because this is a lifestyle, and you know, we
Speaker 4: think that joy is a nutrient, and so we realize,
Speaker 4: like the the foundation of you know, nutrition or we
Speaker 4: like we prefer to call it nourishment is actually pretty simple,
Speaker 4: and most of us can agree that we need to
Speaker 4: get more fruits and vegetables and whole foods. Yet somehow
Speaker 4: it's so hard to do. And so we were like, well,
Speaker 4: you know, let's try it. Just Whitney and I we
Speaker 4: just were like, okay, let's commit for a couple months,
Speaker 4: we're going to do this, and we would switch off
Speaker 4: cooking days, and it really only took about three weeks
Speaker 4: before both of us just everything about us started to change.
Speaker 4: On mental shift, my mental shift where I like, it
Speaker 4: gives me chills now even just talking about it, but
Speaker 4: I just it was like my brain turned on. I
Speaker 4: had been so focused on the wrong thing, so like
Speaker 4: you know, thinking of food is the enemy and what
Speaker 4: not to eat. But when I use my time and
Speaker 4: energy to focus on what to eat, it was like
Speaker 4: everything just got better. My mental health got better. Actually,
Speaker 4: my I was so much easier to kind of like
Speaker 4: get in the shape I wanted to get into because
Speaker 4: I had nourished, man, I had the tools to do that.
Speaker 4: I was like not getting enough nutrients every single day.
Speaker 4: And you know, it was the first time, you know,
Speaker 4: the inflammation with skins started to go down, and we
Speaker 4: just realized we were onto something. We had friends asking us,
Speaker 4: what have you been doing? What juice cleans do you want?
Speaker 4: That was like really the time of the juice cleans,
Speaker 4: and we were like, no, actually, we're chewing these days
Speaker 4: and you know, and so we just thought, let's let's
Speaker 4: see if there's a couple other people out there that
Speaker 4: have some version of what we're going through and really
Speaker 4: need the solution at their doorsteps so that there's no
Speaker 4: like nothing to get in the way. Here's breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 4: and dinner, organic, nutritionally designed. You don't have to think
Speaker 4: about it. By the way, you don't have to heat
Speaker 4: it up if you don't want to. You can bring
Speaker 4: it to the office. It's beautiful, it's delicious. And you know,
Speaker 4: we were like, Okay, maybe there's a few people. We
Speaker 4: had no idea what we were doing. We were in
Speaker 4: our young twenty something and it started with one client
Speaker 4: and then their lives were changed, and then it turned
Speaker 4: in to five clients, and we were just cooking in
Speaker 4: our kitchen like at home.
Speaker 2: Just like dropping it off. At that point, you were
Speaker 2: just dropping it off at people's home.
Speaker 4: We were doing everything, and we did that for a
Speaker 4: long time and then it was.
Speaker 2: Actually that's like kitchenette right.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so small, like yeah, like.
Speaker 1: I did kitchen at It's like, I know exactly what,
Speaker 1: I have such a visual of your apartment.
Speaker 4: Like hard to cook for one person in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way it is, it's almost like it's
Speaker 1: one level up from like a dorm room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no exactly. But it really set us on this
Speaker 4: mission because you know, once you impact one person's life,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, maybe there's somebody else who needs this.
Speaker 4: And then it just really started to snowball and it
Speaker 4: kind of hit this peak point when an editor from
Speaker 4: Daily Candy kind of heard about us, and we were
Speaker 4: still like cooking ourselves, doing delivering ourselves, I know, Daily Candy,
Speaker 4: I IP and she was like, hey, I'm you know,
Speaker 4: doing a piece about you know, health and nutrition and
Speaker 4: how like juice cleansing might be out. Can I try
Speaker 4: what you're doing? And you know, we had to put
Speaker 4: on a face about it because we didn't want to
Speaker 4: tell her. We were just like cooking in our kitchen
Speaker 4: and this thing was so small, and so we're like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And then you know, so we made it ourselves, okay, guys, yeah,
Speaker 4: and so we well we and then we ended up
Speaker 4: delivering ourselves, and we really surprised her because she, I'm
Speaker 4: sure just assumed we had delivery people, but we did not,
Speaker 4: so it was us and we opened the door and
Speaker 4: she like still had curlers in her hair, was just like,
Speaker 4: what are you.
Speaker 3: Doing, really surprised to see us, and we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, we just wanted to make sure that it
Speaker 3: arrived safely to you. So we delivered it ourselves.
Speaker 4: Ye ik service. But she ended up writing a piece
Speaker 4: about us, and we had no idea what was going
Speaker 4: to happen. So it just happened randomly, like three weeks later.
Speaker 4: And I was the first to realize it because at
Speaker 4: the time we built our own website, Shopify did not exist,
Speaker 4: and so we had you had to email us to
Speaker 4: order and it was like ten email exchanges before we
Speaker 4: could order, and then we would send you a PayPal invoice.
Speaker 4: But after Daily Candy, I woke up one morning and
Speaker 4: I opened the computer and it was the thousands of
Speaker 4: emails being like I wanted last week. She called us
Speaker 4: the anti crazy cleanse. Yeah, it's and it's still true today,
Speaker 4: Like it's really is that so bless her? And Whitney
Speaker 4: and I were like, what are we going to do?
Speaker 4: So we like had to make up like a name
Speaker 4: for an email and an assistant and it was really us,
Speaker 4: and we told everyone we were sold out for two weeks.
Speaker 4: And in those two weeks, we got a kitchen, hired
Speaker 4: a staff, got delivery people, and that was really the start.
Speaker 1: Were you scared that you were to like lose interest
Speaker 1: in those two weeks? It's so scary to do that.
Speaker 3: I think we just, I mean, there were so many
Speaker 3: people that's in like you guys, because that was the
Speaker 3: very beginning of like because we launched the Zoy Report
Speaker 3: around so what year was that, twenty twenty eleven?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so wild.
Speaker 4: And nobody knew what plant based was.
Speaker 3: People were right, and nobody knew how to get food delivered.
Speaker 2: You're like in Sadonia, Arizona, everybody's plant based.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, people were like, can you just make sure
Speaker 4: I'm allergic to shrink? Like, don't worry, it's not a problem.
Speaker 2: You're good.
Speaker 4: But we were good. We then we were like went
Speaker 4: to Craigslist and we were like trying to hire kitchen
Speaker 4: people and delivery people. I mean, it's endless, endless stories
Speaker 4: about how like we definitely have some PTSD about what
Speaker 4: it meant to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I met that.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I love this story. I love
Speaker 1: this journey because it really goes back to the original
Speaker 1: way of building a business.
Speaker 2: A small business.
Speaker 1: With a big idea that is terrifying when it grows
Speaker 1: that quickly because it's really hard to manage. And I
Speaker 1: think that's sort of like one of the biggest pain
Speaker 1: points for entrepreneurs that like if you have this like
Speaker 1: pr moment and then all of a sudden, you go
Speaker 1: from like two hundred to two thousand, or even twenty
Speaker 1: to two thousand, you're like.
Speaker 2: Wait, like you don't because you have to be so
Speaker 2: careful in that moment, right.
Speaker 3: And especially in a business that continues to grow, where
Speaker 3: you're going from twenty to two thousand to twenty thousand,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's no Danielle and I talk about this.
Speaker 3: There's no ceo guidebook, no entrepreneur guidebook that teaches you
Speaker 3: or trains you how to be a CEO when you
Speaker 3: have a team of four people, Now, how to be
Speaker 3: a CEO when you have ten people, twenty people, two
Speaker 3: hundred people. Like you have to just figure it out
Speaker 3: and be able to scale yourself in that same time
Speaker 3: you're understanding your ability to lead. Your leadership skills have
Speaker 3: to scale along with the business, which is also hard.
Speaker 1: There are so many there's so many things, and there's
Speaker 1: so many learnings, and it is navigating your path right
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, how many mistakes did you make
Speaker 1: along the way?
Speaker 4: Daily mistakes daily, every single day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard. Like so a couple of things.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, So, what were the scariest
Speaker 1: moment if you can remember even just one or two
Speaker 1: that like basically you were like, I'm done, I can't
Speaker 1: do this anymore, Like we can't, We're so screwed, or
Speaker 1: like or did you not have any of those?
Speaker 2: Because I know I've had like countless, but I mean.
Speaker 4: With so many, I mean, for me, I remember it
Speaker 4: was early on, and this is where I'm just so
Speaker 4: grateful we had to each other because when I had
Speaker 4: an off day, Whitney could be like, no, we're doing
Speaker 4: this right and vice versa. But I remember we had
Speaker 4: this one client early on, and she was a friend
Speaker 4: of a current client and he had sent it to
Speaker 4: her and so she wasn't somebody who like went to
Speaker 4: our site ordered it herself. And she wroteiced this email
Speaker 4: where she was like I could just go to Chopped,
Speaker 4: like I don't get what you're doing and I won't
Speaker 4: be ordering again, but I really wish you guys luck.
Speaker 4: And I remember Whitney and I, you know, we would
Speaker 4: work at a cafe and I remember looking at her
Speaker 4: in the cafe and be like, yeah, what are we doing,
Speaker 4: Like we're delivering salads? Like what are people only want
Speaker 4: pizza delivered? Like at the time, their meal delivery didn't
Speaker 4: really exist.
Speaker 3: And there was no Uber eats post.
Speaker 4: And so I was like there was no one to
Speaker 4: kind for us to be like this is what we're
Speaker 4: doing but better or different or it was like we
Speaker 4: were really making a new path, and so I would
Speaker 4: have I I remember that moment where I was like yeah, wait,
Speaker 4: what are we doing. We're cooking ourselves. Like I couldn't
Speaker 4: imagine at the time, like scaling two one hundred thousand
Speaker 4: square feet of production facility. I couldn't imagine having a
Speaker 4: team of two hundred, Like I just couldn't. It's hard.
Speaker 4: Even though I knew we were onto something, it's hard
Speaker 4: to imagine how you're gonna get there. And for me personally,
Speaker 4: like I have achiever and like one of my top things,
Speaker 4: like I personally have to feel like I'm achieving all
Speaker 4: the time, which has its pros and its cons. But
Speaker 4: in those moments where I'm like, yeah, this doesn't feel
Speaker 4: like it's going anywhere, Let's try something else, let's pivot.
Speaker 4: I remember when you being like, no, we're onto something
Speaker 4: like remember this food changed our life. This is not chopped.
Speaker 4: This is like nutrition delivered to your door. And so
Speaker 4: we could kind of like talk each other down. But
Speaker 4: then there were so many other moments like wasn't us
Speaker 4: It was like outside circumstances that just made it so hard,
Speaker 4: like hiring kitchen staff if you've never like were in
Speaker 4: a restaurant, or it's so hard.
Speaker 2: It's so hard.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying like, I have a real knowledge
Speaker 1: of what you guys have built. I really do, just
Speaker 1: because I have so many friends on all sides of
Speaker 1: the industry in food and you know, just building different
Speaker 1: kinds of businesses around food, whether it's like mini cupcakes
Speaker 1: or or nutrition based it's you know, to cookies like it.
Speaker 2: It's so hard.
Speaker 1: It's so freaking hard, which is why I like really
Speaker 1: wanted to have you guys on because I think being
Speaker 1: pioneers and you know, this is something that you know,
Speaker 1: people say, well, Rachel, you.
Speaker 2: Were the first stylist, you were this, you're that.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, thanks, But like that's also comes
Speaker 1: with it the hardest challenges because there is no there
Speaker 1: is no one to look at of like I want
Speaker 1: to be that, or I want to get there, I
Speaker 1: want to accomplish this much, or I want to do
Speaker 1: that better. Right, It's sort of like what am I doing?
Speaker 1: I'm figuring this.
Speaker 3: Out as I go to educate the market, Yes, and
Speaker 3: on a completely new category.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, And I think I think the other thing
Speaker 1: I want to say is like, how did you so
Speaker 1: you started with this program?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And then to your point, like it was two of
Speaker 1: you then it was four of you. Then it was
Speaker 1: whatever that to me is the scariest part, right, like
Speaker 1: the growing pains of the small to the next level,
Speaker 1: but then really going to the scaling level. So did
Speaker 1: you then along the way did you raise money?
Speaker 2: Did you have advisors?
Speaker 1: Did you have friends that were like, guys, this is
Speaker 1: over your head, you need help?
Speaker 2: Or like, how how does that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How did you go from that to where you are now?
Speaker 1: How many people are you serving now?
Speaker 2: Roughly?
Speaker 3: I mean we do millions and millions of meals each
Speaker 3: year delivered all across the country.
Speaker 2: Insane?
Speaker 3: Is your team hundreds now hundreds of people. We're headquartered
Speaker 3: in New York. You also have a team in LA.
Speaker 3: But I'd say team is everything. Like we have had amazing,
Speaker 3: truly incredible, so talented people work for Secar over the years.
Speaker 3: I mean early on we had just really amazing people.
Speaker 3: We had an incredible president join us where she was
Speaker 3: a client, and she wrote to us an email and
Speaker 3: wanted to meet with us, and we're like, oh, she
Speaker 3: probably wants to talk about digestive issues, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I like, I guess we can meet
Speaker 3: with her. Because she didn't tell us why she went
Speaker 3: to meet, and then she showed up with her resume
Speaker 3: and it's you know, Harvard Business School and all these
Speaker 3: Goldman Sachs and.
Speaker 4: All these amazing things and resume.
Speaker 3: There are basically like three of us sitting in a
Speaker 3: in an office space and we're still doing everything. And
Speaker 3: she said, you guys changed.
Speaker 2: My health, my body, my life.
Speaker 3: Like I see what you're doing here and I want
Speaker 3: to be a part of it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And I also chill.
Speaker 3: No, I was just going to say, we we've been
Speaker 3: able to attract really incredible, high caliber people to our
Speaker 3: team because they have had.
Speaker 4: These life changing experiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 4: I'd also add that we didn't raise money, so you know,
Speaker 4: we really built it off of some money we raised
Speaker 4: by throwing a dinner and that's how we started it.
Speaker 4: And now you know, we're obviously on so many like
Speaker 4: entrepreneurial panels and podcasts, and everyone I talked to like
Speaker 4: thinks that there's one path, and that is that you
Speaker 4: come up with an idea, you make a deck, you
Speaker 4: come up with like a prototype, you raise money, and
Speaker 4: you go to market. And I think this kind of
Speaker 4: genre or this like kind of wherever we are in
Speaker 4: the world of entrepreneurialism. It's like people just want to
Speaker 4: get it perfect, raise money, and go, and I think
Speaker 4: they're very scared to start with one client. They're very
Speaker 4: scared to start small. And it really allowed us to
Speaker 4: evolve and adapt and own our company. I mean, we
Speaker 4: still own the majority of our company, and that is
Speaker 4: unheard of in most kind of like consumer D two
Speaker 4: C type businesses, but especially in meal delivery because it
Speaker 4: is such an operationally and logistically heavy business that most
Speaker 4: of the time people raise hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 4: even when they're doing far less in revenue, and so
Speaker 4: they own very small pieces of their company. We've been
Speaker 4: very fortunate. We didn't raise money until we were doing
Speaker 4: millions in revenue, and then we raise money from people
Speaker 4: who were willing to kind of be in the long
Speaker 4: game with us, weren't asking us to just like turn
Speaker 4: the business in a couple years. And still to this day,
Speaker 4: like sometimes I'll have I'll have a board meeting and
Speaker 4: a friend or somebody will be like, oh gosh, sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I love my board meetings like I
Speaker 4: love my board. There there are biggest fans and some
Speaker 4: of them are like family. At this point and just
Speaker 4: cheering us on thirteen years later and just seeing like
Speaker 4: what else can you do? What more can you do?
Speaker 4: And you know, sometimes have to remind us like that
Speaker 4: we're on this mission and you know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it's hard to not like lose your
Speaker 1: lose your way a little bit sometimes along the way
Speaker 1: because it's pressure is real.
Speaker 3: But we feel so lucky that we are mission based,
Speaker 3: right because so many companies do lose their way and
Speaker 3: they're like, what are we doing? And let's pivot and
Speaker 3: let's try this and you know, try that and follow
Speaker 3: this trend.
Speaker 4: And we have this pressure of investors or like you
Speaker 4: have to change your business, you have to sell, you
Speaker 4: have to you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, but we have this anchor in place, the
Speaker 3: stake in the ground, our north star that says we're
Speaker 3: here to transform lives. We're helping people through you know, nutrition,
Speaker 3: through plants and giving people the tools to sit in
Speaker 3: the driver's seat of their own health and be a
Speaker 3: you know, an active creator of their life. And so
Speaker 3: that really guides us when we're wondering, wait, what are
Speaker 3: we supposed to do here? Like oh, yeah, we need
Speaker 3: to just think about the client again. What is what
Speaker 3: does she need? How can we better service her? How
Speaker 3: can we you know, service her deeper more of her
Speaker 3: needs and more people more of her.
Speaker 1: We will go now, you guys, like I love the bars,
Speaker 1: I love the powders, I love the granola is amazing, Like,
Speaker 1: I also think that's a very important key to the
Speaker 1: business to have for people that don't want to be
Speaker 1: on a program but want the products consistently and.
Speaker 3: Find at different price points.
Speaker 2: One So I think that's a huge thing.
Speaker 1: But also one thing I really want to ask you
Speaker 1: before we start to wrap is what.
Speaker 2: Do you do about copycats?
Speaker 1: Because there are a lot and that's something like I
Speaker 1: know I've had to deal with throughout my entire career
Speaker 1: on all sides, and it's something that I think when
Speaker 1: you have a business like this, there are people that
Speaker 1: will jump to copy, or existing businesses that will pivot
Speaker 1: to try and copy. How do you deal with it?
Speaker 1: Because I think there is a common reaction to that,
Speaker 1: But I'm seeing many over this year of people that
Speaker 1: have gone to great lengths to do different things to
Speaker 1: deal with that.
Speaker 4: So I'm that I think when I come at it
Speaker 4: from kind of different angles, which I think is good.
Speaker 4: I think we're both of the mind though of this
Speaker 4: business is very hard. It's very hard, like your busines,
Speaker 4: this is very hard. Like there, you know, it might
Speaker 4: be easy to get to one hundred clients, maybe even
Speaker 4: a thousand clients, but and it's it's not easy, but
Speaker 4: it might be doable. But then once you start thinking
Speaker 4: about scaling, which you know it's a hard business. If
Speaker 4: you're going to keep it at a small amount of people,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of effort for you know, small amounts
Speaker 4: of clients. And so if you're talking about scaling, like
Speaker 4: it's just incredibly difficult, and then I don't I think
Speaker 4: we have really nailed how to make food with love
Speaker 4: and you feel like you know, you got it at
Speaker 4: a spa or your mom made it for you, made
Speaker 4: with love and then delivered to your door. It's incredibly difficult.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've had some of like the world's experts
Speaker 4: working on it. We've been in the kitchen, like we've
Speaker 4: been making food. So it's like it's it's been perfected
Speaker 4: over fifteen years. And so I think there's also just
Speaker 4: time like it's going to be hard for and went
Speaker 4: to fast forward. But I'm also of the personal mind,
Speaker 4: like kind of ethically, spiritually of just like you just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you just keep going, and look, we'll definitely lose client
Speaker 4: system competitors, but I've also seen so many clients come back,
Speaker 4: Like if you want to go try something new, go
Speaker 4: try something new, Like we're in it for the long game.
Speaker 4: We're the lifestyle, and so if you need to go
Speaker 4: try something else for a little while, go, But there
Speaker 4: is longevity to this nutrition, like continually, even though on
Speaker 4: the consumer level you see so many different types of
Speaker 4: trends and nutrition, when you look at the literature, it
Speaker 4: doesn't change. Like you just like over and over again,
Speaker 4: get more whole foods into your diet, you know, get
Speaker 4: clean fats, get healthy proteins, get enough greens. Like that
Speaker 4: just has like stood the test of time. And that's
Speaker 4: what we're about. And I totally get it if some
Speaker 4: client wants to like go try crazy cleans, you know,
Speaker 4: go do something wild, But I tend to find that
Speaker 4: they always come back, and so I think about just stamina,
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's also I think the wisdom of
Speaker 4: doing this for fifteen years is they'll come back, and
Speaker 4: we're just going to keep going.
Speaker 1: I look at Sakara as a more affordable way to
Speaker 1: have your own healthy, private chef.
Speaker 2: You know, I ask.
Speaker 4: There's many good quotes from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a personal chef and a nutrition.
Speaker 2: As I speak in soundbites.
Speaker 1: But I've watched it from the beginning and I just
Speaker 1: love that you guys are standing so strong and at
Speaker 1: the top of it and just continue to like expand
Speaker 1: and improve it.
Speaker 2: I also love that you can customize so much.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I think that's so great too. So to me, those
Speaker 1: are actually like so again like wins, you know.
Speaker 3: And we're we're not pushing veganism. That's not what we're about.
Speaker 3: We're about basing your diet on plants. That means getting
Speaker 3: enough plants into your diet because the rest of the
Speaker 3: world is pushing you. Meat, cheese, coffee, and alcohol is
Speaker 3: your five major food groups. You can go Yeah, you
Speaker 3: can go out to a restaurant and get an amazing burger,
Speaker 3: but it's really difficult to go somewhere and get high
Speaker 3: quality plants. Yeah, a vegetable based meal that is delicious,
Speaker 3: that's organic, which is really important. We were earlier, we
Speaker 3: were talking about gut bacteria and antibiotics, pesticides and herbicides
Speaker 3: are often antibiotics that are sprayed on your produce, and
Speaker 3: you know you were eating that and we have all
Speaker 3: these little bugs inside of us and it changes your
Speaker 3: gut microbiomes. So you want to be getting organic. But
Speaker 3: it's how many restaurants do you know that are organic?
Speaker 2: Not enough?
Speaker 3: You could count them all on one hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so insane.
Speaker 3: So we really want to make sure that you're getting
Speaker 3: the enough plants into your diet, enough variety of plants
Speaker 3: to feed a diversity of microbes in your gut and
Speaker 3: be that support. You know that we really did throw
Speaker 3: the idea of dieting on its head. We turned it around.
Speaker 3: Instead of just eating whatever you want and then jumping
Speaker 3: onto a diet to clean up, we said, no, eat
Speaker 3: clean most of the time and then play dirty and
Speaker 3: go out and go on your vacation and do whatever.
Speaker 1: That's how I live. I'm like, you know what, you
Speaker 1: got to go and have fun too. This whole like
Speaker 1: never have a drink again thing, it's not for me.
Speaker 3: And so you know, most of us need the support
Speaker 3: in order to eat clean. We don't have our mothers
Speaker 3: and our grandmothers cooking us food. You know, we're not
Speaker 3: living in a village with a multi generational home, and
Speaker 3: so in a way, you know, we've felt over the
Speaker 3: years like we're your Sikara mamas, like we're providing you
Speaker 3: with that healthy food, saying eat your vegetables and so
Speaker 3: that you yeah, you can go out and play dirty
Speaker 3: without any shame.
Speaker 1: Well, I love you, guys. I'm so happy I met
Speaker 1: you the beginning. I've watched you, I've watched the journey,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm such a fan. I'm no one
Speaker 1: paid me to say this. I for my listeners. If
Speaker 1: you had not heard of SOCAR, I can't imagine. But
Speaker 1: if you haven't tried it, you should.
Speaker 3: We actually just launched a brand new program that I
Speaker 3: don't know if we should be promoting it onto because
Speaker 3: it's already sold out through the first week of February.
Speaker 2: We'll come back, yeah, come back again.
Speaker 3: It's we revamped our Level two detox and it is amazing.
Speaker 3: It is it will change your body and your relationship
Speaker 3: to your food. Is just such an incredible program. It's
Speaker 3: also it feels like a spiritual cleanse, physical cleanse.
Speaker 1: It's all out until February, yes, but so if people
Speaker 1: want to do it, I'm signing up right now post fashion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: post sassion is a great time.
Speaker 4: It's it's like we called it level too, because it's
Speaker 4: like a level up. So if you're feeling called to,
Speaker 4: you know, detox cleanse, I think it can be a
Speaker 4: really good place to start and then you can kind
Speaker 4: of maintain with the meals after that. But yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it's it's not for the faint of heart, but it's
Speaker 4: certainly easier than juice cleanses things like that. It's very
Speaker 4: nourishing things that are just like it's real food. You're
Speaker 4: gonna too, You're gonna enjoy it. You're gonna have hot
Speaker 4: meals like it's it's really nourishing.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: This was so much fun and so much to learn
Speaker 1: from your experience and so inspirational for our listeners to
Speaker 1: you know, not just like whether it's trying sacara but
Speaker 1: just taking care of themselves, but also how to start
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Speaker 2: I'm so impressed with you, guys. I hope to see
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Speaker 3: This was so fun. It was great to see you.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to say thank you so much to
Speaker 1: Danielle and Whitney for coming on the pod today. They
Speaker 1: have truly built such an extraordinary lifestyle brand in Sacar Life.
Speaker 1: It is so beyond just a healthy meal program, and
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Speaker 2: I will talk to you soon. One