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Speaker 1: His name is Dallas Smith. Follow him at Dallas Smith Music.

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Speaker 1: a recording booth. I had never My first time in

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00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: a recording booth recording something was with Joey and at

430
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 1: the Helm and I was the first recording that he

431
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: had done that way, um at a recording studio. And

432
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: as you know, my story is very odd, as you know. Yeah, yeah,

433
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: so it's um. And that speaks to like why I

434
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: didn't come down here and commit a percent to like

435
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: leaving my son is because that really wasn't That's not

436
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: My core value was to like I have to do

437
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 1: this no matter what, but nothing is going to get

438
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: in my way. It's like like, you know, uh, I

439
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 1: started off differently, right, And what do you do with

440
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 1: that record? When you make it, we'll call it a record.

441
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 1: The EP that the songs a song called deny Um

442
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: which that was a big song to That was a

443
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: big song. Yeah, I can hear a little bit of

444
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: it was their second single, So that was on the

445
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: first group of songs. That was our first like single.

446
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: That that's one. That's that's the first song that Chad

447
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: and Joey and us had like put together in the

448
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: studio and put out to the radio station Fox See

449
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: Fox for their yearly Battle of the Band's sort of

450
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 1: deal is sonically that in default style, your voice, especially

451
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: your vocal with them, it's totally different from the person

452
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: that you were at the time. I mean that's an aggressive,

453
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: you know, big like hard electric guitars, and you go

454
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: from well, this is my first time to sing too, deny. Yeah,

455
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean that that wasn't There was a lot of

456
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 1: like built up that negativity, but like aggression, angst, whatever

457
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: that was, it came out and that's how that sounded. Yeah,

458
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: been wasting my time. I mean that explosive course was

459
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: came out of like anger and frustration. Like truly, did

460
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: you feel like it could be either recording these songs

461
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: that it could be your first times on stage that

462
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: those well we can say releases, or you that performance

463
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: that you're giving. Did you feel like you were finally

464
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: freeing something? Did you actually feel full? You know, there's

465
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: definitely something you feel people feeling on stage. Was that

466
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 1: your first time to feel that? It was? It was

467
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: it was something that I could bring to the table

468
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: that that actually, you know, what. It honestly gave me

469
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: a way to connect um emotionally and speak emotionally when

470
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that outside of song, um, outside of

471
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: a metalody or how I was you know, just that

472
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: aggression and that was my outlet. I guess it's really

473
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: what it was. Tell me about the first time you

474
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: performed front of even one or seven people that are

475
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: paying or coming for free, And yeah, that was in

476
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: front of a lot of friends and family. Um that

477
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty well attended. And uh, if

478
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: there was a way that I could hide behind a

479
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: single mic stand like I did it. I hid behind

480
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: that thing and I was I had a cigarette in

481
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: my hand and I must have been staring at the

482
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: drummer like Danny for half the set. And um, yeah,

483
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: that was another pivotal moment. But that that I that

484
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: wasn't really spontaneous, that that was chosen by me. It

485
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: was like I had to get ready for that one.

486
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: So that was a completely different animal and I was

487
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: pretty freaked out. But yeah, every every step, every step

488
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: was freeing in that way because it was it was

489
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: an absolute first for me. Did you have and do

490
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: you have stage fright? Um, I'm I'm more comfortable performing

491
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: songs as a singer than I am with the banter

492
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: and stuff and and um like talking and doing doing that.

493
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: UM Like, I can easily get out and do you know,

494
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: big shows thousands of people, and I don't get nervous

495
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: for it. It's a different thing. But if I'm to

496
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: sit here and do an acoustic performance in front of

497
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: five people, it's very intimate, and it's it's very uncomfortable.

498
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: I struggle with that. That I can do a stand

499
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: up show in front of two or three thousand people.

500
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: I can do a radio show to millions and be

501
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: in person around a microphone magnetic. I can be warm, affable,

502
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: but one on one, intimately one on two, I really struggle.

503
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: It's almost like the microphone is is Superman's glass, you know,

504
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: Clark Kent. Yeah, I take it off and I have

505
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: my cape then you know when I'm performing. And so

506
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: was a bit of that. And now we go to

507
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: therapy and they would say well you, and I would say, well,

508
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: even though it's real, it doesn't feel real. I know

509
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: it's real because everything I'm saying is for real, but

510
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: it's like I'm talking to a microphone. I'm on stage

511
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: in front of people, you know, I'm not going to

512
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: see them at home, and so it didn't feel real

513
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: even though I knew it was, And so I was

514
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: able to get to that level of intimacy. Anything resonate

515
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: with you when I say that, Yeah, I mean I

516
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: think it's like a dissociation thing, Like you get up

517
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: in front of that many people and and I always

518
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: joked it's it's if you're playing in front of five people,

519
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: they could all think you suck. But if you're playing

520
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: front a lot of people, the numbers work for you.

521
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: There's probably enough to focus on. You can find something

522
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: more people think got sucked. But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

523
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: the numbers are in your favorite but um yeah, yeah,

524
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: there's definitely a dissociation thing when when um, you hit

525
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: that cruise control flow mode where the music just happens

526
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: and it comes through you. That's that's that happens easier

527
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: in that circumstance as opposed to in front of a

528
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: couple of people, because it's I think you get in

529
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: your head a lot more as opposed to just letting

530
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: it happen. What did your parents think about seeing that

531
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: you that was performing when they knew that you that

532
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: would really do nothing except go to his room and

533
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: only thing there and before they got home. Yeah, well

534
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: they didn't even know I saying that was the thing, right,

535
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: not even in my room, but they Yeah, they they

536
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: every step I think even now if you talk to him,

537
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: it's like every step um. Yeah, yeah, it's completely foreign

538
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: to what I was as as a kid, which is

539
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: what they blown away. Yeah. Yeah. And then super supportive,

540
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: like amazingly supportive. Um. They helped us financially kind of

541
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: get that that first demo record up and running um

542
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: with Chad and Joey Um which was huge. So you're performing,

543
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: you make the demo. Then what happens and how how

544
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: does it happen where a United States record label says,

545
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: let's go, we want to spend money to promote this

546
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: and promote you. Yeah, well back in the day and

547
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: there wasn't there's no TikTok to find songs and things

548
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: like that. They had actually and our guys out in

549
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: New York. He saw in I don't know if it

550
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: was a newspaper or something what was going on, but

551
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: they saw that an independent song was climbing at charts

552
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: in the local newspaper in Sea Fox would it would

553
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: show there and um, I assume he saw it through

554
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: that it was nowhere else it would have been. And yeah,

555
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: Jonathan Simpkin, who is our lawyer, UM entertainment lawyer at

556
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: the time and still is uh I started getting called.

557
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: We got a call from Colombia. We showcased for, we

558
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: showcased for Roadrunner, We showcased for a couple of others,

559
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: but but t VT, we already connected with. Lenny Johnson

560
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: was already and our guy, and we spoke to us

561
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: and yeah, we ended up signing that signing a deal

562
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: with them. But it was via just that that that demo,

563
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: a song, that one that radio station in Vancouver. Was

564
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: it to you, Wow, this is so great? Or was

565
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: it to you? Oh my god? Now that's what the

566
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: pressure of of a record deal? Now what do we do? Yeah? Yeah,

567
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: it was, Um yeah, I mean it was. It was

568
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: very very scary. It was very very scary. The other guys,

569
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: I think we're more prepared for it because they had

570
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: played shows and that was kind of their their their

571
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: thing and what they were already doing. But yeah, yeah,

572
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: it was. It was very very scary for me. What

573
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: has happened then? What's what's the whirlwind that then happens

574
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: once you're on a big label or is it not

575
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: a whirlwind at first? Not a world win? At first?

576
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: It was we got our advance, quit our jobs, drank

577
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: and party it away. Um. And then we went to Seattle,

578
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: uh Rick Parrosher, who was like a I didn't know

579
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: what at the time. I wasn't really into who was

580
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: who produced what records that I liked, um, but I

581
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: knew he was a Seattle producer and his name came

582
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 1: about as a guy he wanted to work on a

583
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: couple of new songs with us to finish off the

584
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: our first record. And uh so we had written a

585
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: few songs, one of them was wasting my time. Um.

586
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, we we got sent down to Rip Prosser

587
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: uh to produce a couple more songs, and he did

588
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: Pearl gem ten and he did all the Seattle stuff

589
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: like would Alison chains blind Melon, Um, he did. He

590
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: did a lot of that stuff. We did work with

591
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: cornell Um. So he was like a dream producer. It

592
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: was like it was it was. It was really strange.

593
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: So it was like a quiet kid like like really

594
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: really appreciated that music that was my music that I

595
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: could really connect it to first outside of my parents

596
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: stuff was the Seattle scene and and so being able

597
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: to like go down and work with a guy where

598
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: you're in London Bridge studios where ten was cut, where

599
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: all those vocals were recorded, was just a dream come

600
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: true and very very inspiring. So it almost felt like

601
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I was on a trajectory that was almost fate because

602
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It's weird to say like that,

603
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: but but it was everything lined up. It's like, how

604
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: is this happening? I quietly dreamed of singing these songs

605
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: and doing this stuff. How am I now working with

606
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: the producer of this these records and you know all

607
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: the stuff that's going on with Nickel back at the time.

608
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was, it was really it was strange, man.

609
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: It was really weird to look back on. You talk

610
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: about the music that you first like connected to, you know,

611
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: and for me, where a country music was because I

612
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: was in a rural place in Arkansas. That was the

613
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: first music that talked about where I was from. But

614
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: the first music that actually like felt because again I

615
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: was a kid who got beat up all the time.

616
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: I was at the Dirty Kid. It was that nineties.

617
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: I won't call it grunge only, but it was just

618
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: that alternative grunge, even kind of pop rock that came

619
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: a little later that that that spoke to me as well.

620
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine being right there we're at all

621
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: started right as you were starting as well. Yeah, I

622
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: think there are probably a lot of comparisons, and I

623
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: would be like, man, am I am I as good

624
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: as these guys? I don't know. If I'm in the

625
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: same room that they were, I think I would be

626
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: worried that everybody was judging me based on all the

627
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: great Yeah, I mean all all the all the self

628
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: negative things you can put on yourself, right for sure. Yeah,

629
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: it's it's just it was a scary, scary environment for sure,

630
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: but it was Rick was great with us, um, and

631
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: he really believed in that song, especially like did you

632
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: have confidence though at this point? Was it was it

633
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: developing still? No? No, no, no, no, it was it

634
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: was all masked. You know, a lot of it was masked.

635
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: And I'm just riding the wave like white knuckling it,

636
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: as my my counselor would describe it. Um, When you're

637
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: singing at this point, your voice is your career. It

638
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: could be a six month, three year tenure career. But

639
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: when do you start to care about your voice? Because

640
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: if you get sick, if you party too hard, if

641
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: you a B, C, D, E, F G, so many things.

642
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm you don't have a history of building that

643
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: muscle at this point. You don't have five seven years

644
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: of singing consistently to build the muscle. Well I did,

645
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: I did just alone alone, Yeah, I did. That's all

646
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: I did, man, That's all I did. I I would

647
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: I would like whether it was Pearl jam ten or

648
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Alison Chain's Dirt or super Unknown or Bad motor Finger.

649
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: That was that's those were my vocal lessons. That's that's

650
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: how I learned to sing. And um that I mean,

651
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: I think if you look listen back to what I

652
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: my first record like waste of my time and the

653
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: stuff and delivering my tone and and there's a lot

654
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: of comparisons to who I described as saying along too,

655
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: especially like the Vetter thing right, it was constricted a

656
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: little more aggressive, um, less bright um in tone. Um.

657
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: So when I started carying about my voice, I took

658
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: a bit of that constructive criticism that really bugged me

659
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: at the time, um and taking it seriously. I didn't

660
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: want to let anybody down with the shows and stuff,

661
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: and I started going to vocal lessons and then that's

662
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: when my voice really changed or good. Yeah you did

663
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: you learn to sing? I won't say better, that's such

664
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: a open ended but did you learn to sing in

665
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: a specific way that allowed you to sing? Yeah? Efficient? Pure?

666
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, more pure, more efficient. Yeah, you're

667
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: your true tone, right, it's just learning, learning um placements,

668
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: and my range exploded. Um, like I was hitting notes

669
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: that I wasn't really I didn't really hit when I

670
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: was growing up and singing and stuff because you were

671
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: emulating your favorites and not actually focused on finding what

672
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: you were the best. Yes, yeah, yeah, I didn't really

673
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: understand what my voice naturally sounded like. Um yeah. So

674
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I went through that process with like on my first

675
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: like big touring, touring and wasting my time and as

676
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: that that first record, that song, Now, I was working

677
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: in pop radio at the time, so when it came

678
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: to us, I'm assuming it was put out on rock

679
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: alternative first, so it did so well there they decided

680
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: for it to cross over. Was that a conversation that

681
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: you were listening to when they were deciding on doing it,

682
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: or they just go, we gotta go with this. It's killing.

683
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on right, like,

684
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: like to the point where the first week of release

685
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: of Wasting My Time, Lenny Are and our guy God

686
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: call me up. I was in the little place that

687
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: I was renting. He's like, you got added to k

688
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: rock out of the gate, and I'm like, is that good?

689
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what's k rock? And um, yeah, So

690
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: all that stuff was just we were just along, I

691
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: guess a white knockling along for the ride, and um,

692
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: it being scary and us being green, it was easy

693
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: to get caught up into the you know, the we

694
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: we we drank a lot. We drank and partied a lot.

695
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: And looking back on it and yeah, I never really

696
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'll I'll catch up in a second. But I

697
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: never really understood why so many artists would fall to

698
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: alcohol and drugs until I started to tour all the

699
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: time myself, just because there's so much time, there's twenty

700
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: two and a half hours to fill, and there's so

701
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: much fun to be had. Well I'm not good at

702
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: having fun, but you know, even going out for four

703
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: nights in a row, you finished the show, go to

704
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: the bus. Well, you gotta fill a couple of hours,

705
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do? Sleep as the bus drives,

706
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: you wake up. There's all day, there's all all day,

707
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: just fill with sun. Then I finally started to go, Okay,

708
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: you'd have to become obsessed or addicted to something. Yeah,

709
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: you really are, Like when you're when you're in that environment,

710
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: you're really faced with a lot of stuff that you

711
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: haven't dealt with, Like it really puts you in a

712
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: challenging spot. And um so yeah, then the numbing and

713
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: the self medicating is is yeah, especially when you're like

714
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about three four days. Back in the day,

715
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: we'll be doing Yeah, I mean it's six weeks, four months,

716
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: and then we come home for a week and then

717
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: off for an out of three months, and just the

718
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: grind of hitting like the rock radio every morning and

719
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: doing the two three stations in the market, acoustic versions

720
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: for all of them, and um so, yeah, it was

721
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, it was a lot of a lot

722
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: of a lot of a buller back in the day.

723
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: When did you start to feel that that song had

724
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of ada into main stream, meaning you had to

725
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: start seeing fifteen year old girls in your crowd instead

726
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: of thirty two year old men. Quick. We saw quick.

727
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: It was really really, really quick. And the advantage that

728
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: we had was um, the whole Vancouver scene that was happening.

729
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: UM with Nickelback. Uh, they had put out a one,

730
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: one or two records, one record locally and it did

731
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: okay in Canada. They got their dealt road Runner and

732
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: they released how You Remind Me just after we released

733
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: A Waste of My Time. So they, for lack of

734
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: a better word, site, they cock blocked us over the

735
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: entire world at rock radio. They were number one and

736
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: we were number two, and we were and we were

737
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: on and we were on tour with them. They took

738
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: us out on tour. Did you guys get along still? Oh? Yeah?

739
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: Did you remain? Yes, we're we relationship is morphed over

740
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: the years and stuff. But all of those guys, UM,

741
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: I see chat often. UM. I was surprised. We talked

742
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: to Chad, I like Nickelback, and yeah, I think they've

743
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: gotten a really I think they got so popular that

744
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: once you've become so popular, then it's like Coldplay, you

745
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: can insert what whatever band is really takes hold, and

746
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: then eventually everybody takes old. So then everybody wants to

747
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: be like, well, I don't want to be the one,

748
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: so they got to counter it. And Nickelback has suffered

749
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: from that so much. But I always been a big fan,

750
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: but it never talked to Chad personally, and we had

751
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: him on the show and I was a bit shocked

752
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: at how nice and how funny he was, how self deprecating.

753
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: I thought, holy crap, this is not what I expected

754
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: from the guy from Nickelback, and that that's that's chat um.

755
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: He's not what you would expect. And that's kind of

756
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: like I've always you know, I've always looked up to him.

757
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: He's that there's there's just that grew including Joey and

758
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: Chief and there's a whole but there's a whole group

759
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: of guys from that area that I looked up to.

760
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: Is they were my big brothers, and they were my gui.

761
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: When you're born, you're getting light? Were you born? Do

762
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: you come out as a baby and left your right

763
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: hand and go I promised to be nice to everybody

764
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: and be funny. As we got a lot, there's a

765
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: lot of we would go up and because I want

766
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of stations in Canada as well. And Mike

767
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: and I went into Canada and we went to Toronto

768
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: and we're walking down and I've got my phone and

769
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at somebody approaches me. I'm like, oh my god,

770
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: what's about to happen here? And they go, I can help.

771
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: You don't need a map, And I thought it's about

772
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: to get robbed, but instead it was the exact opposite. Yeah, yeah,

773
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: it can be like Toronto is already friendly place. Um

774
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: there are there are some, there are some. I'm sure

775
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: the numbers game. Still, I have not met a mean

776
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: when French you flaw it, I cannot speak a word. Really, no,

777
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: it's not a thing man like honestly. In I mean,

778
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: I took French grade nine. I think it. So it

779
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: was a a acquired corsi had to take. Um But no,

780
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: you can take uh, you can take any other language

781
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: in high school up in up in Vancouver, it'll better

782
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: suit you than French. Nobody speaks Nobody speaks French in

783
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: inc So eastern side the Prairies. My my guitar player

784
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: is from Peace River, um Alberta, and that's a very

785
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: French speaking town. Um So there's those like French communities

786
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: spread out through the of the prairies. Yeah, dang, I

787
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: just expected all of you guys to come in here

788
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: with no no, no whatever, you can eat croissants. Yeah.

789
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: When did default start to to you or just in

790
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: general start to not be as much of a priority musically,

791
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: it was, well, that's that, Yeah, that's that's Um. When

792
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: did it not become a priority? You know, I think

793
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: we lost that really early. Um. We watched and looking

794
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: back on it, it's something that I wish I approach

795
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: it differently, but we were just too caught up in

796
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: and the other stuff. But we watched Chad right his

797
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: second record on the road, um in his boss. He

798
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: had converted little studio stuff in there to do demos

799
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: and right, and we didn't do that. We didn't do

800
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: that when and that's when we should have really taken

801
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: it seriously, but we did. We didn't um that you

802
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: did not use the the momentum, No properly, No, we

803
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: did not know. So we went into like that second

804
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: record thing, Right, we have your whole life to write

805
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: the first record and bla blah blah. Right the second record.

806
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: We came in with our pants down and honestly it

807
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: was probably more me than anybody else. Um And I

808
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if my experience with the first record

809
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: and how it just it just happened like and it

810
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: happened well, um And I think I maybe got caught

811
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: up in in like the this is gonna happen again,

812
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: the stars are gonna align. I'm not worried about it.

813
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Get in there and make magic happen and stuff. But

814
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: in reality, as you as you get older and learn

815
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: watch other people do it, it's put the put the

816
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: hours in at the time, and you gotta work for

817
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: it no matter what. In fact, that's the time to

818
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: work the hardest. We are you surprised that it didn't work, Um,

819
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think once once we were in

820
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: the studio and recording the second record, I think I

821
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: think the vibe was different. I think it was more negative,

822
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: more negative. I think there was, yeah, towards each other,

823
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. Yeah. I think just being

824
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: on the tour, on tours so long and us and

825
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: we were friends before, but we weren't roommates um for

826
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: months on end, So there was there was a lot

827
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: of stuff that just wasn't dealt with. And um, resentment

828
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: here and jealousy there, and you know it just workload

829
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: and just yeah, just it gets it can get ugly,

830
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: you know. So I think the benefit of where I

831
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: come from and when I came from it's very similar

832
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: to you and that I grew up again in a

833
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: rural part of America, but I had digital, had napster,

834
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: I had I was able to be influenced by everything,

835
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: and I grew up. You grew up in a very

836
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: rural place. I grew up in a rural place. So

837
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: country music was a part of our lives, your parents,

838
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: my grandmother, and my parents. But at the same time,

839
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: in the nineties, I was very much into alternative music,

840
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: all of it. I was into hip hop, and I

841
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: was able to have all of this influence because of

842
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: the ability just to get it. I mean, that was it.

843
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: We were the first generation to be able to just

844
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: get the music we wanted when we wanted it. And

845
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: so because of that, similar to you, I've worked everywhere

846
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: and been absolutely authentic to who I am. When I

847
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: was doing alternative radio, I was doing sports, when I

848
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: was doing hip hop or pop, that was always who

849
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I am. Because I believe you don't and you aren't

850
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: just one lane of a person. We as people aren't

851
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: just one lane. You're not just Dallas from Default. You're

852
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: also Dallas who grew up in the area influenced by

853
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: the music that you were influenced by everything. So and

854
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: I want to get to just how dominant and how

855
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: great you are inside a country music But what was

856
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: that in between before you decided now I'm gonna go

857
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: to this other passion of mine because Default had to end.

858
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: And then did it really end like where you tried?

859
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: And it was like, this is just not gonna work.

860
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: Like what was that to go from a to kind

861
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: of a two? Yeah, So we had the second record,

862
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: didn't do as well. Um, we had the third record,

863
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: I didn't do as well, and then we had a

864
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: it was a third record but a heways. We recorded

865
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: a record that, um, you really really believed in. It

866
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: was mid late two thousands, some great songs on there,

867
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: written with Marty Frederickson and Zach Malloy who I know

868
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: we're here um and our record label like two weeks

869
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: before we had a release date went followed for bankruptcy

870
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: and so we were in limbo with that for a

871
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: good year and a half. And during that time we

872
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: had discovered as he was cashing his checks, cashing our

873
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: checks to him on his deathbed, we were being robbed

874
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: blind by a business manager that was recommended by our

875
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: management team at the time. And so not only we

876
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: were we were like destitute. We we we as a

877
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: band had gone down the other side of it. Uh

878
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: label was bankrupt. We had this great record we're sitting on.

879
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: We had uh the Canadian government coming at us hard,

880
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: like like the I R S here yeah, man, yeah

881
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: c r A. We had um we have g S

882
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: T tax, which is like you get it and then

883
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: you admitted to the government right, And so as an

884
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: American accountant, he just wasn't. He was taking the the

885
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: GST and not remitting it. And so we had like

886
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: a man, it was like four thousand dollars staring at us.

887
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: And with that time, you can't hide it with the

888
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: corporate thing. You can't just hide it and get rid

889
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: of it that way. It's personal. They go after your house,

890
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: they go, okay, you can't just have a part in this,

891
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: but default the entity go we're gonna go bankrupt here. No, No,

892
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: it was personally we owe that taxes personally all of it. Yeah. Yeah, man,

893
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 1: it was divided three ways, divided divided four ways. Yeah,

894
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: so each you guys out six figures. Yeah, we were

895
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: staring at over a hundred thousand dollars each and we

896
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: were broke, and we had kids, and um, the business

897
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: had shoot us up and spat us out. Right. We

898
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: had some residual stuff obviously that kept us to float

899
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: a little bit with waste of my time and some

900
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: shows that would come in every once in a while.

901
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: But it was like where is our future in in this?

902
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: And where is my future in this? So what do

903
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: you personally decide to do while this is happening? And

904
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: do you have it your why do you talk to

905
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: your wife? You like, were in trouble around then? I

906
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I split up with my wife. Uh we had split up, yeah,

907
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: mid two thousand's by then, Um, and I was pretty lost.

908
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: I was very lost. So I didn't really have anybody

909
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: to talk to you really about it, um, but I

910
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: would go, I mean this kind of gets into like

911
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: the Joey thing and how and like like how our

912
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: first trip down here kind of happened and that relationship

913
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: still existed. I'm sure you didn't see him a whole

914
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: lot though while you're out, did you No? No, But

915
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: he was always around and we had like done some

916
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: stuff with him and Chad like recorded like a song

917
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: here and there. Um, So we always kept in touch

918
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: and like like Chad is a super generous guy to

919
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: come into town, inviteus somebody everybody hoped to steakhouse for dinner,

920
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: party and go out and have fun and stuff. So

921
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: I'd see him, you know, occasionally go to a hockey

922
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: game or whatever. Um. But yeah, like like at that time,

923
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: we were doing the occasional show and Joey and I

924
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: had talked about our mutual not not we're gonna wanted

925
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: to go to Nashville and do it. We were talking

926
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: about like country artists that we liked and um, our

927
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: mutual like for that and and uh, there's one another

928
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: pivotal moment for me, Like at that time we had

929
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: joked about going down I guess going down to Nashville

930
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: and making a record. And I was on tour with

931
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: Three Days Grace across. We were like an arena tour

932
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: across Canada. Three Days Grace like still living a dream

933
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: in some sense, right, like being having that opportunity and

934
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: doing that. They have a hey, yeah, that's right, that's right, yeah, Um,

935
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: And I was miserable. That was the most miserable I

936
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: had been. I was out on the road, lonely, um,

937
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: still drinking uh and I we had just played in Quebec,

938
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: it was Montreal, great show. And I messaged Joey just

939
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: miserable in the back of the bus, uh country record

940
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: question mark. And two weeks later we were down here

941
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: writing with Wiseman and and UH and all that and

942
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: and Rodney Clawson and all them. So that was, Um,

943
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: that was a pivotal moment him and I. But that

944
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: that that's where I wasn't in that stage with default.

945
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: It was just we were we were a flow. We

946
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: had this huge debt and no way of like it

947
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: was dead end ish right it was. I knew that

948
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: was kind of the end of that. And then my

949
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: my message to Joey was like, if I'm going to

950
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: keep doing this and keep doing music as a living,

951
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: it has to be something that I want to be

952
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: that I'm passionate about. And I'm not passionate about this anymore.

953
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm in a different stage of my life. And I

954
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: had seen classic rock bands like the Mid Level Ones

955
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: come and go throughout the airports, and and there's nothing

956
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: like I'm not I'm not negative about anything like that.

957
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: It's just that's not how I wanted to It's not

958
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: music to me. I wanted to keep creating new music

959
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: and have it be a constant conversation, not go out

960
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: and do the odd classic rock gig. You know, did

961
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: you feel like you could write music based off how

962
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: lost you were, the pain that you were going through.

963
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: Obviously you were then through a divorce. Could you in

964
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: the back of that bus when you're by yourself, were

965
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: you able to put any of that in a song?

966
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: It came out more with how the delivery of them

967
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: melody was. So it came up more like that, how

968
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: it how it felt as opposed to what it was saying. Um,

969
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: so lyric was always a last a last thing. Do

970
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: you write melody first? Um, I've always been that way,

971
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: Like I I've come down here a few times, like

972
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: a really like originally when join our first coming to

973
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: do some rights and some of the co writes that

974
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: I had done made it on the first record, But

975
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: like the whole writing style about it was a completely

976
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: foreign to me as as a kid in the garage,

977
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: writing the other way. It was freaky for me because

978
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: you're with people. Was that the style like doing co writes,

979
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: we would just would just jam. Yeah, that's how it

980
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: would be right and and and we will piece it

981
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: together that way, as opposed to you know, yeah, coming

982
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: down here, it's not not it's obviously it's it's not

983
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: a not a surprise that it's quite different. Down here

984
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: was nine to five and you get in the room

985
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: and you're right, it's very intentional. Um, So that that

986
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: freaked me out, and it was so foreign, and it's

987
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: just not how I work, right, It's just that just

988
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: wasn't And you know, a Brian parduckt of me not

989
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: being down here is that I haven't really worked that

990
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: muscle a whole lot, and I'd like to in the future. Um,

991
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, have more cuts on my own records and

992
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: and and like, um, get more in a creative mold

993
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: from the from the ground up with a song. When

994
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: you leave Nashville after your first trip down, how many

995
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: days were you here? I think two or three weeks.

996
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time time. Okay, So when

997
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: you leave, what was the feeling I was inspiring? I was,

998
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: I was I was really proud of um, Like yeah,

999
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: just being in that that opportunity and having that that

1000
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: uh that go well and making the connections because we

1001
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: we had a great time with Seth England and when

1002
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: Seth was just was pitching the songs for Craig and

1003
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: meeting everybody, all the writers, Chris Tompkins and and Rodney.

1004
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Like I said it was, it was a new inspiring

1005
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: group of people. And watching Joey just do his thing too.

1006
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's just like I said, him being a

1007
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: big brother. I've always um, he's just been inspired by

1008
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: his ability to just get in there and just do it.

1009
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a Joey has. Everybody has their

1010
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: own self doubt and their own stuff, but he just

1011
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: gets gets his foot in there and does it. He

1012
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: just does. When you're now Dallas Smith the country artist

1013
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: or Dallas Smith the I don't know, not default Dallas Smith,

1014
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: it's a change. I mean, you're your own it's just

1015
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: you now. Was that it all did some of that

1016
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: stuff kind of rebubble resurface from the very beginning again

1017
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: when you didn't feel as if or was it like

1018
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: thank god, now it's just Dallas. Oh for the stuff

1019
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: now when you first started, because again it's almost new,

1020
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: and I have friends who have gone from being in

1021
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: groups to solo and at first and this it may

1022
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: not be your story at all at first, like this

1023
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be Great'm gonna solo, But then you get

1024
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: up there and you're like, wow, I kind of don't

1025
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: have anybody to rely on that myself and now it's

1026
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: my name too. Yeah, yeah, that is an adjustment for sure,

1027
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's a constant adjustment just coming my background

1028
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: of my personality, right, me being um yeah, I've always

1029
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: I've always been comfortable with a group of that was

1030
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: my thing, right because we were all front and center

1031
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: in the band and that was just the thing. Where

1032
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: now yeah, it's it's just me doing the interviews. Um

1033
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: so it's just me on stage sort of. I include

1034
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: my band a hell of a lot, Like I got

1035
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: a really entertaining, awesome band that helps lift that weight

1036
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: off of me a little bit. Um But but yeah,

1037
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: that's a constant thing. Like I've always looked up to

1038
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: like guys like Keith Urban, I mean he's been my

1039
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: as far as like a guy who can play and

1040
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: sing and entertain like who doesn't matter who's around him.

1041
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: You know, I've always that's that's what I strived to be.

1042
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: But any anxiety before you go out for the first time,

1043
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: as just do you. Sonically it's a bit different, the

1044
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: instrumentation you singing the songs is a bit different. You're

1045
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: the same person, yeah, But any anxiety there is you're

1046
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: about to launch into the Dallas met part of your career.

1047
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: Right around that time, there was anxiety before the record

1048
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: was out, Um, because I had always heard like the country,

1049
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter, A country doesn't like outsiders

1050
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: coming in. And I mean me too, I heard the

1051
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: same thing before. I yeah, yeah, of course right and

1052
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: and I think at that time I was really I was.

1053
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: The record had come out at radio and out the gate.

1054
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: It got a lot of support at Canadian radioing somebody somewhere.

1055
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: It's one of my one of my favorite ones. Uh

1056
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: courting by Dustin Lynch. It's just a um it's a

1057
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: banger of a song, did really really well out the

1058
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: Gate and um yeah I got I got a little

1059
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: side truck there. What we're talking about, No, I was

1060
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: just talking about what the first song comes out. It

1061
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: sounds like that you had major support early yes, and

1062
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: that actually was that it helped, right, So, yeah, that

1063
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: that's where we're going. But so by the time I

1064
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: was playing shows, I had some like afternoon slots. It

1065
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: had really talented band behind me that I was friends with,

1066
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: um and I really really believed in the songs. I

1067
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: really believed in the record. I had been through the

1068
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: process of making records and knowing how they feel, um

1069
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: and and how they feel to you when you leave

1070
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: the studio, and how connected you are those songs um I.

1071
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I had a big belief in them. If you're playing

1072
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: a set, now, do you play any of the default stuff? Yeah,

1073
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: we play waste of My time. Yeah, just acoustically, me

1074
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: and the guitar and maybe my guitar player. Was there

1075
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: ever a stage where you didn't want to do that

1076
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: because you were separating yourself from it. It's never that guy.

1077
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: That's awesome. It's hard to not be, but it's I mean,

1078
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: Darius is a great example of that, right, he always

1079
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: played the Hoodies songs. Yeah, he was like, I am

1080
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: who I am, and it's honestly, that is what it is, right,

1081
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 1: that's my journey, my my story will speak differently to Yeah,

1082
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's just that's my journey. I'm not I'm

1083
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: not I will speak like I'm I'm I'm shy, I'm

1084
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: very internal, but I I have no I can wear

1085
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: my heart my sleeve like really easily. Yeah. That that's

1086
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: that song. All always enjoys playing it. I will always

1087
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: to you a bit, just go weird that. Basically, there's

1088
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: just a line that separates the two countries. And you

1089
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: will sell out US an arena. You will have tens

1090
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: of thousands of people go watch you at a show

1091
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: in Canada and you drive down to Iowa and they're like,

1092
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: I don't know who this dude is. Why you named

1093
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: Dallas You're Canadian? Also, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's um,

1094
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's changed. Like when I first released Jump

1095
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: right In in two thousand twelve, I mean, streaming records

1096
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: a little thing. I mean, it's just streaming was pretty

1097
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: so it was harder to get any sort of access

1098
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: down here. But it's become like, honestly, by the numbers,

1099
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: I have more listeners than I down here than I

1100
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: do in Canada. Ticket sales, ticket sales, yeah, yeah, I

1101
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: mean I've seen pictures of your shows and there I

1102
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: mean it's crazy. I have amazing fans up in Canada

1103
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: and amazing support up there. Uh so, I'm I'm I

1104
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: feel like, honestly man like going from the default stuff

1105
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: and going through that ride of like financially and optically

1106
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: and just like emotionally with that, with that ride, being

1107
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: able to resurrect that song and play it in front

1108
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: of that many people in a and have a second career,

1109
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's I feel so fortunate. It's so

1110
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: few people that get to they get to have a rebirth.

1111
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: Um learn from your mistakes in that way. In the

1112
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: music business, it doesn't happen. I'm so very fortunate. I

1113
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: asked about the ticket sales, and because there are pockets

1114
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: of where we are where I'll just be honest. If

1115
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: I go out, I can't go anywhere the people taking

1116
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: pictures of me. But there are certain parts of the

1117
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: country I can go to where nobody has a freaking

1118
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: clue and they're like, I'm just another dude. And some

1119
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: of my friends be like, is that weird that you

1120
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: can go to Vegas people will be crazy like, look

1121
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: at oh my god, let's get a picture. But if

1122
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: you drive, you know, four hours and I'm in l A.

1123
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: Nobody gives the absolute craps it is. Oh. I never

1124
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: thought I would love it, but I do. I used

1125
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: to be like, man, this sucks, I can go like no,

1126
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: but now it's like the greatest is to just go

1127
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: somewhere and go. I don't have to worry about anybody

1128
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: recording me swimming with no shirt on because I'm embarrassed

1129
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: in my body. You can just be yourself and be

1130
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: able to worry about those distractions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's um.

1131
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm speaking about how fortunate, like Canadian famous.

1132
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: I can I go to the grocery store and my

1133
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: shop like just down the street from my house and

1134
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: stuff like I I can go anywhere and I'll get

1135
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: a message on Twitter he was that you at Costco.

1136
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty It's pretty rare that I get. I

1137
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: get some. At the same time, I don't have any

1138
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: really besides like some tattoos and stuff. If I have

1139
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: a sweater on, like, I don't really have any distinct features.

1140
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: If I take my glasses off, I'm this most generic

1141
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: white guy you've ever seen in your life, right, so

1142
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: it just puts slaves on you in these glasses you're me. Yeah, exactly.

1143
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: You go, if you go looking for it, you can

1144
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: find it right if you want to, Yeah, if you

1145
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: if you want to want that. But it's yeah, yeah.

1146
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: You ever go to like the grocery store here or

1147
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: a gas station and you hear your music over the

1148
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: top or out back, is to hear it over the top, Yeah,

1149
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: I hear it all over the place. I hear a

1150
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: song called count on Me was a song we had

1151
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: on our third record. It was a song that got

1152
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: played a bit and uh, den I'll here and yeah,

1153
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty funny when it comes to the

1154
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: c c M A s. I mean, you're Garth Brooks.

1155
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: You're the greatest. H You're the greatest. I'm telling just

1156
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at numbers here. You don't don't answer

1157
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: it because you have to say, oh, that's true. Forty

1158
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: four c c M A nomination, seventeen Wins Entertainer of

1159
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: the Year in nineteen twenty one, twelve number one, twenty

1160
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: four Top tens. You've sold six hundred thousand concert tickets.

1161
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: Geez man. Yeah, it's like I'm talking to somebody that's

1162
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: massive in a K pop band and I just have

1163
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: no idea that kind of royalty I'm next to. I

1164
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: don't have that wallet. Like, I'll tell you that you

1165
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: were you able to pay back the government? Yes, we were,

1166
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: we were. Yeah. I bet that felt Yeah, I won't

1167
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: say good, but I bet I felt like there's a

1168
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: big old backpack that you're able to finally go and

1169
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: get it off. Yeah. And honestly, man, it was yes, Um,

1170
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: having everybody all off on a clean slate, all of us,

1171
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: all four of us, it was a good feeling. What

1172
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: do you love about touring now that you don't think

1173
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: you appreciated back then? The process of it, the process,

1174
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: what does that mean? The message thread of when we

1175
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: are going to meet at the airport, and just the friendships. Yeah,

1176
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm surrounded and I've surrounded myself by the most amazing people.

1177
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: That's super important to me. Um. I was surrounded by

1178
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: some great people back in the day, but now I'm

1179
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: starting to buy some really really good Like all crew,

1180
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: everybody's great, and it's a big family, and that that

1181
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: the show is the show is the show, and the

1182
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: show was going to be better, Um because of that

1183
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: camaraderie and that friendship and that process. And I love,

1184
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: I love like the guys, my crew guys and and

1185
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: my band guys are my brothers. And uh yeah, that's

1186
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: that's something I really really appreciate and love and take

1187
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: from this the most, um where I didn't in the past,

1188
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: where it was I allowed my insecurities to be jealous

1189
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: about this and just all of that bs that you

1190
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: you don't realize about yourself before counseling and therapy getting

1191
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: the way of that stuff you should appreciate. And there

1192
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: was a lot of things, a lot of opportunities that

1193
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: I didn't take advantage of. It didn't appreciate because of

1194
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: that stuff. Are you a guy that believes a lot

1195
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: of that happened just so you could get to this

1196
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: point maybe a little bit? Yep? Yeah, I mean this

1197
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: is this is a long game thing. It really, it

1198
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: really is. And this is about it's not about me

1199
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: having a castle. I don't care. I really don't you

1200
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: have a castle. I don't have a do you have

1201
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: the castle in Canada? We just find out now it's

1202
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: like he's gotta moat, yes, like throwing a cow with

1203
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: a rock from it? Yeah. Um yeah, It's always been

1204
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: just the journey and um development and just yeah, just

1205
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: challenging myself honestly, and just trying to learn about myself

1206
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: and learn the way things why why the way things

1207
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: were and why was that way? And just trying to

1208
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: grow and be happy and and and my records have

1209
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: changed from angsty too. You know a lot of fun. Um,

1210
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: do you pick right perform songs now at all influenced

1211
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: by being a dad? Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah, sky

1212
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: Stass Blue was a song. I mean a lot of

1213
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: them do a lot of them do even stuff like uh,

1214
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: the later Default stuff. Carson, my son was was younger

1215
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: and a and a real big guiding light for me

1216
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: as far as what was important in life, and certain

1217
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: songs started sprinkling and um, the later Default records. So

1218
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: it's always it's yeah, it's always been a thing. Were

1219
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: you named after a guy that played for the Boston Brewing?

1220
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: You really were? I were? I did not. I thought

1221
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: that was just gonna be a stupid question. You're gonna know.

1222
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: I actually actually have one of his hockey cards in

1223
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: my my dresser in my bedroom. Does everybody assume you

1224
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: love hockey because you're Canadian? Yeah, but it's true though,

1225
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: it's one of those two areotypes. It's pretty true. I've

1226
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: got some like I've got some friends, artist friends, even

1227
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: though just they could give a shit about hockey or anything.

1228
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: They don't just it's just sports in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sports.

1229
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: I get that. And I know nothing about hockey. And

1230
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: I have a friend that plays for the Preds. Here

1231
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: is it douche? It is Romanosi And I don't know

1232
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: anything about hockey. And when I met him, they were

1233
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: like he plays for the president. I was like, that's cool.

1234
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: What position? He told me? And I was like, I

1235
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. Yeah, he's a stud, like

1236
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: tell me and one And now I know he's a stud,

1237
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I think he's a defenseman. He's

1238
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: a defenseman, right, And I'm like, do you get to score?

1239
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't know anything about them? A big sports guy?

1240
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: Do I do a sports right here in the States?

1241
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: But did you play hockey at all as a kid?

1242
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 1: Street hockey? It's expensive sport to play. Um, so yeah,

1243
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: I grew up in you know, not a lot of

1244
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: extra money going around. So if instead of ice hockey,

1245
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: we played street hockey. And I was in like softball

1246
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: baseball leagues. And actually usually people bring this up to

1247
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: make fun of me. And it it usually works. But

1248
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: I was actually bowling as a kid to that was

1249
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: that was one of this was a one silver medal

1250
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: at the BC Games the Olympics. It's bowling bigger, maybe

1251
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: it's not even bigger, but it's cold up there, so

1252
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do out I honestly,

1253
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: our are our climate is um Let's Seattle. First of all,

1254
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: it's it's just a lot of rain. But in North

1255
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Dakota you're gonna be You're getting a far more Canadian

1256
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: experience than I got. And even the accent right it's

1257
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: it's uh yeah, it's it's pretty strong and cold. It's

1258
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: not like that where I am. You can go, no, man,

1259
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: I I've literally I've I've golfed like New Year's Day,

1260
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: Christmas eve Day, and then I can go the same

1261
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: day go up and go skiing and go whale watching. Well,

1262
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: that is unfair, it is I just assume you're living

1263
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: in a niglu. It is not a big days. No,

1264
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: We're like that's like a hundred mile radius right there

1265
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: in Canada, along that border and along the islands there

1266
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: where it doesn't turn into an ice box everywhere everywhere

1267
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 1: else in Canada is complete for as an icebox. People

1268
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: assume I'm married to my cousin because I' from Arkansas.

1269
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, there are all these stereotypes that we have

1270
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Speaker 1: and I'm not confirming or denying that I am married

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Speaker 1: to my cousin, but at least not first cousin. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a juno? Is that a grammy? It is? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a grammy? And why is it called a juno? Do

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Speaker 1: you know? You know why grammy is called a grammy?

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Speaker 1: As I asked that question, gramaphone, right, that's the grammy thing, right,

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01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, Oh my god, you're right, that's exactly what

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01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, I learned. I learned that late, so

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Speaker 1: don't don't feel ashamed. That makes all the sense in

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Speaker 1: the world. That's the trophy, is a grandmophone. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what is the What is the juno? Yeah? Yeah, that's good.

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01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: What is the jo? I really hope I don't get

1282
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: roasted for this, But I don't know if there's any

1283
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: really direct correlation like that too. I wish I knew.

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01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: Just put on your face, Yeah, I know. I can't

1285
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: believe you didn't set it up on a tee for you.

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01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: It's a secret. I actually can't tell you what when

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Speaker 1: you went to Juno? Pretty cool? Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: What's the shape of the Juno? It is a statuesque figure.

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Speaker 1: The one that I have has a little metal thing

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01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: wrapped around a statuus figure. Yeah, it's it's not it's not, no,

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: it's not. I guess it was named after the first chairman,

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Speaker 1: Pierre Juno. It's pretty selfish, yeah as well know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's all about you. But I think it's

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: a star or a fossil. Play a clip of singing

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Speaker 1: in a beer here you go. So why this song,

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Speaker 1: of all the songs of the single, why this one? Man,

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01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 1: It's hard to put a finger on what just kind

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01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: of releases that chemical in your brain tells you like it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a bit of that. And I I've um, I've

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Speaker 1: gone a couple of ballads songs in a row. One

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Speaker 1: two with Mackenzie was a completely different feel um from

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: from this one. This is just more just straight just

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: play at the bar, have fun, good festival song. Yeah,

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: just a lot of fun. Do you ever do karaoke? I? Uh,

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01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: not really, not really, but I one time after um

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01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: it was in Victoria. So just across in the island Victoria,

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01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: BC kind of a home show. We went to we

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01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: played for Nick nickelback at the arena and then went

1309
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: to the bar afterwards and it was karaoke going on,

1310
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: and some guy got up, not knowing I was there,

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: and started singing waste of my time. So I got

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: to do that thing. Did you do the thing? I

1313
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: did the thing? Yeah, but I got made fun of

1314
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: afterwards because I ended up looking back at the screen

1315
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: looking at the lyrics. Well, I was saying, that's funny,

1316
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: true chump. Yeah, it was pretty after the fact. Yeah,

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01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: well yeah, I walked up and took the mic from him,

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01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: like a yeah, he did the whole thing. Did you

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01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: put that on the internet? Dude? That was like YouTube

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Speaker 1: didn't exist. That was two thousand two. Well, next time

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Speaker 1: you're here, I don't know, when you come back, I'll

1322
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: do some karaoke. Yeah, absolutely, we should go do it

1323
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: and just go like we're karaokeing and you performed that song,

1324
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: and then we'll watch you crush it. He gets up

1325
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: and he sucks and everybodybody cares. That's fun singing like that,

1326
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: default guy, And I like that. That was so what

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01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: is it? What? What do you find what's fulfilling to

1328
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: you at this point in your career. You've done a

1329
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: lot of things at the highest level. So what is

1330
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: it now that kind of fills your cup fills my

1331
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: up personally and professionally professionally is is um? You know,

1332
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Speaker 1: I have no I have no things that I must

1333
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: aspire to to be fulfilled. I really don't. I I

1334
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: I obviously want to keep growing UM and keep building

1335
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: my audience. Uh so yeah, I mean that way. It's

1336
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: just I do. I want to speak and touch people

1337
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: through my music and inspire and all those things, invoke

1338
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: emotion into people through through the records that I put out.

1339
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: UM have it be a bit of the soundtrack to

1340
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: their life like I had those records growing up. And

1341
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: and that's ultimately it goes back to seeing somebody sing

1342
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: those songs back to you. That's that's a connection that

1343
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: I never would have made otherwise. And I get to

1344
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: do it on a grand scale. UM. And for somebody

1345
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: that has a hard time getting to connect to people

1346
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: on that level, that's such a great thing. That's knowing

1347
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: that that happens personally personally, it's it's family, dude, it

1348
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: really is. UM. I want to keep growing as a person,

1349
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: become a better husband, better father. UM, and I want

1350
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: to I want to, um share just the experience that

1351
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: I've had in my life and help people and UM,

1352
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, the big Loud guys have given me an

1353
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: opportunity to have a side label with my partner, Scott Cook.

1354
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: So we've got it's called Local Hay Records, so we're

1355
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: able to UM, you know, bring under young artist shown

1356
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: Austin is a guy that we've we've signed and you

1357
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: put it on a song with Chris Lane last year. UM,

1358
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: so like you know, that kind of stuff is has

1359
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. UM. That's kind of professional,

1360
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: kind of personal because I get to make those connections

1361
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: with those artists and like kind of share the personal experiences,

1362
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 1: you know, and how how the music business can be. UM.

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01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: Is your son sing? He he yes, he doesn't, though

1364
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: he's he's some sports and great lacrosse player. UM. The

1365
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: guitars have been around my house his entire childhood and

1366
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: the only time he's really ever I've he's picked it

1367
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: up was when he was like three, and he I

1368
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: still have the guitar. I still play it live. He

1369
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: took a ballpoint pan on this nice guitar got from Australia.

1370
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: Just I never got it fixed. I never got it anything.

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01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's always been around it never really

1372
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: but he started to get into poetry. I I do

1373
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: know um the girl that was he was seeing, um

1374
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend, and uh yeah, I think he's probably a

1375
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: little bit like me. I don't pick up the guitar

1376
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: at home and play. It's just I listened to music

1377
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I don't I sing Goofley like I

1378
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: sing along them with my kids and stuff. Um, but

1379
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not like here's piano lesson. It's

1380
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: never was. I just I want him to be to

1381
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: to just not force anything on him, and whatever he likes,

1382
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: he likes, and he just never really picked it up.

1383
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: But I think it might be something that he, deep down,

1384
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: I think does want to do a little bit. I

1385
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: gotta talk to him about it. All right, three questions

1386
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna call it because we've been here for

1387
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: an hour. It's been fantastic for me. I'd keep you

1388
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: for two, but here we go. Uh, in your house,

1389
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: what is your favorite picture? Oh, there is a picture

1390
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: of um. It was early on in this part of

1391
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: my career. I just started dating my wife Kristen, super supportive. UM,

1392
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: and we were doing the photo shoot for my first

1393
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: record and sort of like a rural part of BC,

1394
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of BC, and it's sort of desert

1395
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: ish and there's a picture of us, um on the road,

1396
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: really long road, sort of looking down it and we're

1397
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: just kissing, leaning in over the center line and just

1398
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: giving in, giving each other a kissing. That's one of

1399
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,520
Speaker 1: my cherished photos. I got that beside my bed, and um,

1400
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: there's something about the photo that just had. It just

1401
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: captures our energy that we had at that time, and um, yeah,

1402
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: it's it's just a pretty good memory. Yeah, for a

1403
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. Ever been in a room social professional

1404
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: but it's not being recorded. There are no cameras, no TV,

1405
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: no radio, and somebody that you admire just picks up

1406
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: a guitar and starts playing and singing a song and

1407
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: you're like, holy crap, I cannot believe this is happening

1408
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: right now, this is so cool. I got to watch

1409
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: um uh Chad right um far away, so far away. Yeah,

1410
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: he was hard a piece set together and it was

1411
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: in its infancy, and I saw him writing words down

1412
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: and he was. It was just him and I. He

1413
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: just I don't know what. I can't remember the circumstances

1414
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: why that was. But yeah, he just picked it up

1415
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: and and what do you think of this? And started

1416
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: picking apart at it and stuff and yeah, that was

1417
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: the That was pretty cool. So you co wrote that's

1418
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: what I hear. I got no points. Well, what's what's

1419
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: gonna be? Um, it's the final question. Heres, we round

1420
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: this up for you as we get into it. How

1421
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: is this year? What is this year? What's the what's

1422
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: the idea for this year? I don't say goal? Yeah,

1423
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: but what's the idea for three? That maybe a little

1424
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: different than any other idea for any other year. Uh well,

1425
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean the Canadian experience with the pandemic was pretty

1426
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: it was long. Um. I think you're starting to see

1427
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: touring coming back. Finally he's starting to come back now. Um,

1428
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: so just playing playing lots of shows and getting back

1429
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: to that bringing the music live. Um, that was going

1430
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: for a long time. Uh so that really going to

1431
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: join that, playing the festivals up there, um and then

1432
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: new music out in like spring, you know, in time

1433
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: for the festivals, including the song you played there one

1434
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: too will be on that record. Hide from a Broken

1435
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: Heart was a song UM released as well. Beyond that

1436
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: and just yeah, just grinding it out. Man. I hope

1437
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: with the opportunity with Big Loud and being on on

1438
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: the label proper now and UM, with Lloyd and Big

1439
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: Loud and Greg Thompson being management and stuff, it's stars

1440
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: are aligning a little bit. So I'm hoping that we

1441
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: can bring some more music to more ears. And yeah,

1442
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: me too. Yeah, it's that's yeah. I hope to hope

1443
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: to be down here a lot more and see a

1444
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: lot more of everybody, and you as well. Yeah, so

1445
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: you liked the singing in the beer song, I do

1446
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: pretty good one, Well, Mike, let's add it to the

1447
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: countdown played in the National Countdown. We'll add that because

1448
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: I like it to Wait wait, wait, I gotta get

1449
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: clearance from the Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Well, if they

1450
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: say no, let me know. Until then, we're gonna go

1451
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: awaka until you tell us we can. Okay, got you? Yeah, yeah,

1452
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: And just when you come back to town, let me know,

1453
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: come up and you know, next time, next time you

1454
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: decided to come down, bring guitar, come play the stage

1455
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: in the morning show, we'll make a whole deal. I'm

1456
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: a fan, dude. I can break out some of those

1457
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: old default songs um and run through a couple just

1458
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: like whatever you want to do, make songs through my career.

1459
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: I think it will be great, and I think it

1460
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: would be really cool for my audience to hear you perform.

1461
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: I mean, because again I'm a fan. I know I've

1462
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: heard with mon ears, but I think it'd be really

1463
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: cool for you to do it. So next time you're

1464
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: down here, you let's make a point, say come do

1465
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: the morning show. We'll do a whole deal. Yeah, I honestly,

1466
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate this opportunity and I appreciate that invite. That's

1467
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: that's Huguely. I'll forget I invited you as soon as

1468
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: you leave, and I'll forget it you are, I'll make

1469
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: sure I got your numbers. Song Hell yeah, all right,

1470
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: you guys follow at Dallas Smith Music Dallas. I've really

1471
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: enjoyed this man, It's been for me. This has been

1472
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: a real treat because again, I've just enjoyed you in

1473
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: so many different capacities. And I love what you're doing now.

1474
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: And I said it before I even you were even here.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't say it for any reason other than

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Speaker 1: it just can't. I'm I want to talking to Joe,

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Speaker 1: and other people have been like, man, he's so good,

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Speaker 1: Like what's the deal? And so if I can be

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Speaker 1: a minor part of that deal happening here, that's a

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Speaker 1: way for me. That's that's that's huge. And like I said, um,

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Speaker 1: it's really is an honor to be able to come

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Speaker 1: on a show like this and be able to tell

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Speaker 1: my story. I mean, I've got a long, unique story

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Speaker 1: that involves you know, some people that you know and

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Speaker 1: other people know in different bands and stuff, and to

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Speaker 1: be able to get up here and tell my story

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Speaker 1: is really it's a it's a great, great opportunity. So

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Speaker 1: thank you. All Right, there is Dallas Smith. Everybody