1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Episode five oh six. This one's maybe we got it wrong. 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: On this episode we talked about possibly misunderstood villains, maybe 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: we were wrong about them. Now this is real life 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: and fake life, which would also be fiction. We did 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: this in la Eddie Reid and myself other episodes you 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: might have missed Real quick Mark Hoppus from Blink one 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Eddy two, Amanda Knox from speaking of villains that we 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: thought were bad that turns out not so much. She 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: was on trial and convicted for killing her lover in Italy. 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Turns out she didn't do it. We have that Bobby 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: cast Dylan Scott, My wife and I did a whole 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: episode on our trip to Europe. So check out those 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: older Bobby casts and subscribe wherever you're listening now, we'd 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: really appreciate that, and you can watch on YouTube. So 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: the links to all of these are in the episode notes. 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: But now here we go, Maybe we got it wrong, 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: Maybe we got it wrong, misunderstood villains. Oh and do 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: you know this is rooted in my well. 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: Here we go Theus. Yeah, maybe we got it wrong. 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: I have stood up for Thanos forever, not because I 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: think everything he did was right, and I think by 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: the way, he's not even real. Okay, it sounds like 23 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm like defending a real human for But he 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: was having to save this planet because of what he 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: saw happened to him, and the only way to save 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: it was to kill half the people. 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: Is that one accurate? 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Dude? It's fictional. 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: No, no, no to the story that we know. 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, like he was, he had to kill 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: half the people otherwise the planet was going to kill itself. Okay, 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: and so but he had to kill like half the Avenger. 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: He was a bad guy. 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is bad for me, dude, because part of 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: me always feels bad for the villains because I'm always. 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: Well, when they give you an origin story too, for 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: a villain, you always are like, oh, now, I get it. 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: Starts he's an innocent kid, or he was. 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: Like abducted or bullied or his parents were killed or 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: so that's part that's part of real life though. That's 41 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: absolute kind of turn absolutely, But you're exactly right. That's 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: where I came up with this idea, was me always 43 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: having to find Danos. That's great, and the Avengers and 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: so some people get stuck with the villain label, like 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: Danos and their full story never gets told. I'll give 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: you another fiction example, though, we get watch Pingue on HBO. 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: I oh my gosh, I felt so bad for him. 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again we know their fiction. But I'm saying, 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: like you do, you're just trying to make his mom proud. 51 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: You've hated him forever because he's a bad guy. He's 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: only the bad guy. He's the guy that's trying to 53 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: get Batman through whatever version of Michael Keaton version or 54 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: the old TV show Penguin whenever who played him back in. 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: The day, Penguin, Danny did Vito di Vito. 56 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always been a bad guy. But then when 57 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: you watch the show and it's so good on HBO, 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: you go, yeah, I be messed up too. 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: But why did they do that to us though? Because 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: they could have left him as just the bad guy 61 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: and not told us his whole origin story, because that's 62 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: what it was until last year. But are there even. 63 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Bad guys? 64 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: Oh like born bad? 65 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? I would say there probably are. If their brain 66 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: is like a psychopath, right, they don't have the ability 67 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: to empathize that. But that's also like a chemical sure 68 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: imbalance or a messed up part of their brain real life. 69 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: And so a psychopath who doesn't have any sort of remorse, 70 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have any sort of guilt. Then you're going, that's 71 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: a bad person because nothing happened to make them bad. 72 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: But then you're going, they were born deficient, and that 73 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: sucks for them too because they they had no choice 74 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: in it. So it is a very complicated subject and 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: topic rooted it. They knows with me, like, because for 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: years I've fought this fot and so I have a 77 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: list here from Biblical betrayals, the nineties pop stars, from Wow, 78 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: from Hall of Fame ballplayers, and so I think these 79 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: are people who were hated or mocked or blamed. And 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it was wrong. I'm just saying 81 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: I think possibly we give it a second look. 82 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: I like it. 83 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: Which category would you like to do first? Would you 84 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: like to do political? Pop culture? Let's do you pop culture? 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: Okay? 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: Pop culture villains, Yoko ono. 87 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: Ooh, big time villains. She broke up the Beatles, that's 88 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: what pop culture. That's what our society says. We don't 89 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: know the real story. 90 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: Did she break up the Beatles or did she fall 91 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: in love with the dude who became so enamored with 92 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: her he broke up the Beatles. Possibly not possibly because 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: she can't break up the Beatles herself. Well, when you 94 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: watch unless John Lennon is so a part of it. 95 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: When you watch old videos, nobody would bring their wives anywhere, 96 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: and Yoka was there in the middle of it. 97 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: But isn't that John Lennon his fault? Sure he could 98 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: have told her, Yeah, he could have never dated her. 99 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: You know, she gets jealous of all the women after 100 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: John Lennon. 101 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: And that's why she was there. But there were no 102 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: women in the recording studio. 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: I think her presence could have been anybody that John 104 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: Lennon attached to that ended up with a fascination of 105 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: him and her who wedged in between the band. I 106 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: think she gets a lot of crap were breaking up 107 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: the Beatles when she really didn't break up the Beatles. 108 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: John Lennon did by allowing her in. 109 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably right, that's probably right, But you start 110 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: you do. Hear stories too of she would influence the 111 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: way he would write. 112 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: But so he's letting her do that. He has her around, 113 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: he gets to decide if she's there or not. 114 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: Love makes you do crazy things man. 115 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: Amen. So all I'm saying with with Yoko Ono, she 116 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: didn't break up the Beatles. He allowed her to break 117 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: up the Beatles. John Lennon broke up the Beatles. Maybe 118 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: it deserves sakeing Look maybe next. 119 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: Year here you are defending all of the. 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: Captain Hook. 121 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 2: Oh ooh interesting. 122 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: Now I'd like to tell you why. First of all, 123 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: Captain Hook's a bad dude, right, pirate on the ship 124 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: trying to get Peter Pan. Pirates are mean and mean 125 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: and green and evil. But Pan cut off his hand 126 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: and fed it to a crocodile. 127 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: Oh Peter Pan did that? 128 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: Oh that's how that happened. 129 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed me too. 130 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: And now your hand's a hook. 131 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 132 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: So. And also back in that period, like what period 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: is that fictional? Sixteen hundreds, anytime there were real pirates 134 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: that there weren't really a lot of laws. And so 135 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: you also you got this kid flying around annoying us 136 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: crap and yeah, trying to stop you from pirrating. 137 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you have this little fairy, this little 138 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: fairy flying around everywhere. 139 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: You know, he's cocky too. 140 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would be if it's a little green 141 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: blowing suit like that Darth Vader. 142 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: Oh this is good. 143 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: Oh old, that's a ultimate one. 144 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: Right, this is a really good because man, when you 145 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: again we meet Anakin Skywalker, who's little Darth Vader seems 146 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: like an innocent kid to. 147 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Me, spoiler dude, And I'm not even a Star Wars guy. 148 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: And I know the arc right. 149 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: Where have you watched any of these movies? 150 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: I know all of it about I've never seen any 151 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: of the movie. 152 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: That's amazing to me that you. 153 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: That never pop culture so strong? I know it. Yeah, 154 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: like I know you, I am your father. And then 155 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: you're like, that's the big evil guy. But then once 156 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: they do all the priests and then you learn all 157 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: that he went through, Like once you know someone's story, 158 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: you start to have a bit of empathy for maybe 159 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: not for everything they do because of it. But Darth Vader, 160 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, does he deserve a second look? 161 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think he did. I know. I think he 162 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: is a total villain by his. 163 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: About say, I don't think he's going back, and I don't. 164 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: I think it was by choice. He was in a circumstance. 165 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: Man. 166 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to say too much much in case 167 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: people want to watch it. 168 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: Okay, it's it's okay. 169 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: Kill the kids man. Huh he killed the kids who. 170 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Darth Vader did? Yeah, I know, But I'm talking about 171 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: how he became evil. All it's it's like breaking bad Man, 172 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: Walter White. Have them a listed, It's like Walter White. 173 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: It's a slow process, but you decided it. But there 174 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: were factors that they did not have any control of 175 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: that heavily influenced their decisions, which is why I think 176 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: just assigning villain to them would is not fair. Walter 177 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: White is one. I mean, they a school teacher, he 178 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: has cancer, needs money. 179 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: He needs money to yeah, to help him out. 180 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: And so that's what started that. The next thing, you know, 181 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: he's a chemistry running a meth like multimillion dollar meth 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: ring god killing people. But he but never wanted to 183 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: be like his idea was not I'm going to go 184 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: and kill people while selling meth. 185 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: But then how do you become that? 186 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: But had he never got cancer and had to fight 187 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: to make money by being none of it would have happened. 188 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: The evil forces man, the evil forces that just keep taking. 189 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: He's not an evil person. 190 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: He didn't start as an evil person. 191 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: I didn't I don't feel like he was an evil 192 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: person either, but he was forced to be by decisions 193 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: he made based on circumstances that were handed to him. 194 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have made the same 195 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: decisions that he did some bad things. 196 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: I think there was another way to make money for 197 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: his first cancer. You think, so, yeah, go fund me, man, 198 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: But that's fun me. Hey, big sale, let's start there. 199 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: Walter White had a skill, though, like a literal skill 200 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: that could make him money. Otherwise you're just begging, You're 201 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: on the internet begging. 202 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but his skill ruined people's lives. Yeah, and ruined 203 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: the city and ruined. 204 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: But that was going to be run regardless. It's not 205 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: like had he not made the drugs, the drug wouldn't 206 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: be there. And I'm also not saying what he did 207 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: was right. I'm not defending what he did. I'm just saying, 208 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: whenever we look at Darth Vader, whenever we look at 209 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: I can do. Marie Antoinette, I don't know much. 210 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: I don't know her story. 211 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: So she's the let the meat cake familiar she got 212 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: I've heard of that, So she was She's basically known 213 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: as the Queen of the French Revolution. In excess, and 214 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: she was shipped off to marry the king and to 215 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: unite the two and she can't. But first of all, 216 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: she never said let the meat cake. Secondly, she was 217 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: young when she was shipped off to marry the king, 218 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: King of the France. I believe, readyman, fight checked me 219 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: on this, and like you're a kid, you get shipped 220 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: off and her and the king never I'm just gonna 221 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: go for memory. Then they were married, but they were 222 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: never like close. So she like had an affair and 223 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: lived in a back house like with her horse keeper. 224 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: And I think she was made. I think she was 225 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: the target, the escapego all these excess you know, they 226 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: chopped her head off. 227 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: They chopped her head off. Yeah, oh dang, yeah, man, 228 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: I need to read it about Maria Antoinette. 229 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: Read what do you see over there? 230 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: So let's see, he was the king of France. 231 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: Correct, yep, correct, go ahead, let's see. 232 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: Uh that's all I got. 233 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: Right now, hold on, I feel pretty solid about my 234 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: brief explanation. 235 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: But and they hated they didn't like her because she 236 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: had an affair or so. 237 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: No, no, it wasn't. So Marie Antoinette was the Queen 238 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: of France. During the French Revolution, who was the one 239 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: that was like, just let the let them meat cake 240 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: all the people. So when she told what she was 241 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: told the French people didn't have bread because again there 242 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: were a lot of poor people there, she was like, 243 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: just let them eat cake, which painted her as being 244 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: kind of clueless and privileged. 245 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: Got it, yes, heart, I wouldn't go very well. 246 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Like not understanding. And so that saying, which again now 247 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: I don't really think she said it kind of became 248 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: the symbol of the monarch at that time. She was guillotined. 249 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: Is that a that's the one we you put your hands, 250 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: but that. 251 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: Would that be the verb guillotine? Yeah, guilatin. Her head 252 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: was chopped off and they accused of everything treason's rebellion, 253 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: but she was sent off at age fourteen. She was 254 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: an Austrian princess, sent to France and in a political 255 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: arrangement to bring them closer together, so he married the 256 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: two countries, French and Austria. All of a sudden, you're closer. 257 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: She was isolated and controlled, she was escapedgo from a 258 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: broken system. She was she was a mom, was completely fearful. 259 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: She's painted as a villain, very much so, And we 260 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: didn't have TikTok, so we couldn't record her saying let 261 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: the meet cake. 262 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 263 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times we assign things 264 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: that we heard to movements, and she was a symbol 265 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: of that excess movement. I feel like she was not 266 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: the villain. I feel like she was a teenage kid 267 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: who was shipped off to bring two countries together, and 268 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: she kind of got crushed under all of her circumstances. 269 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: What are you seeing over there? 270 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: I was just saying this thing, says a compassionate queen 271 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 3: and devoted mother. She did little to deserve her tragic destiny. 272 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: So even this website doesn't think that she didn't know. 273 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: I know, website is that I'm with you, But she 274 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: is kind of the standard for excess. And she said 275 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: let them eat cake when they didn't have bread. 276 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I thought let them eat 277 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: cake was a good thing, as in, like, come on, 278 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: let's celebrate. 279 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: Sports, villains, Berry bonds. 280 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Steroids. 281 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: First of all, is the face of steroids never failed 282 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: to test? 283 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: What do you mean you never failed to test? 284 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: No, Now, when court's a different thing. When stuff comes 285 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: out in court. But we never felt a test. Well 286 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: it was all the Balco stuff. But yeah, so. 287 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 4: Interest, Let's take a quick pause for a message from 288 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: our sponsor, and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 289 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: How about this Tanya Harding. 290 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: Oh, Tanya Harding, man, I don't like how is she 291 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: not a villain? 292 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: So she didn't hit Nancy Carrigan in the leg, Jeff Giluli. 293 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: Did, right, But she was d she was boyfriend girlfriend. 294 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: Right now, I don't even know this story. 295 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: Well, this is great, tell read about this. 296 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm just going for a memory here. But back in 297 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: the Olympics, I'm gonna guess if I'm putting anyear on 298 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: at ninety two, don't know. Ice skating America had two 299 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: ice skaters that were vying for gold, Nancy Carrigan and 300 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: Tanya Harding, And so this could have even been before 301 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: the Nash before the Olympics. The trial. 302 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was maybe another another competition. 303 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: Because Kragan ended up being in the Olympics. I think 304 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: getting like a bronze or something. But Tanya Harding's like, 305 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: dude and bodyguard popped Nancy Carigan in the leg broker leg. No, 306 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: he didn't break it. I don't think like I think 307 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: her like just hurt it. I don't know. I guess 308 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: break the legs. 309 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: I feel like it was bad enough to where she 310 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: couldn't glory. 311 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I think a broken leg differently, 312 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: You're right, I'm sure there was some bone, but yeah, 313 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: hit her with a stick or club or something, and 314 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: then she was out for a long time. 315 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 316 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but according to Bobby, there's no connection between Galilee 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: and there's connection. 318 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: But I'm saying maybe Harding didn't possibly didn't know. He 319 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: could have been doing it. He could have been doing 320 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: it just like impress her. 321 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, man. 322 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: It says he initially tried to cover up the attack 323 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: after the first. 324 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: Of course, he wasn't going to admit to that. 325 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: No, it's crazy the fact that I remember Jeff galu Lee. Yeah, 326 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: good job, dude, that's just a funny name. You ever 327 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: watched Ey Tanya? 328 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: Yes, great movie, and that's Margot Robbie. I think as Tanya. 329 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good stuff. She does a good job. You 330 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: never heard of that one, huh. So let me give 331 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: you one. Judas Judas is known read as. 332 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: I mean, he was a disciple man. 333 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: He was a man who betrayed Jesus. He was one 334 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: of jesus twelve disciples. Yep, he sold Jesus out to 335 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: the authorities for how many pieces of silver? Ten thirty? 336 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: So did you know that? 337 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: I didn't know the exact amount. 338 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Now that betrayal led to the arrest, trial, crucifixion, and 339 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: death of Jesus. In the Gospels, he's condemned as greedy, deceitful, 340 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: and spiritual loss. His name has become synonymous with betrayal. 341 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: Even today, if you call somebody a Judas, that's an insult. 342 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, someone who's gonna turn on you. 343 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: So let me present a semi controversial. 344 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: Option. I might have something here too. 345 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: God, this is just an option, not even saying that 346 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: it is the truth. Because he did betray Jesus. Absolutely, 347 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: he showed the Roman where he was number one. Jesus 348 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: chose him knowing that it would happen. Knowing that it 349 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: was going to happen. 350 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: Jesus knew that he was going to do this. 351 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: If Jesus was all knowing follow me here, then he 352 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: knew Judas would betray him and chose him anyway, which 353 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: suggested Judas's purpose in the Divine Plan was that of 354 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: the person who had betrayed Jesus and set forth the 355 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: other steps. So if you were to believe, and I 356 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: think most do, that Jesus is all knowing, then he 357 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: would have known what was going to happen by choosing 358 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: Judas and possibly needed that to happen for the other 359 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: elements to fall into place. 360 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: I'm not going to disagree with you on that because 361 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: in the Bible it says that at dinner at the 362 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: Last Supper, Jesus said that one of you will betray 363 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: me today. I was about to say so, like one 364 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: of you will be trying to and g like you said, 365 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: Jesus knew it was going to be him, right? Did 366 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: Judas know it's going to be him? I don't know. 367 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: And even even at the dinner, Judas was like, is 368 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: it me? And then she's like, you tell me? 369 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: So I'm glad you said that because the all knowing 370 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: did know, yeah, and led with words that showed he knowed. 371 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: This is this is good. This is good because yeah, 372 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: did did Judas know that he was going to do it? 373 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: Did he do it on purpose? We don't know that, 374 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: Like maybe it was just part of his fate that 375 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: Jesus knew was it was gonna. 376 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: Have to happen, or if he picked him as one 377 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: of the disciples that eventually when the time came, I'm 378 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: going to add another. 379 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he even told two or three other disciples 380 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: that you will deny me after I'm dead too, three 381 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: times and they did. 382 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: And other showings of all knowing. Yeah, showings of all knowing. 383 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: I like, that's okay. Think about this when it comes 384 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: to Judas. I think the cruse fiction is the central 385 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: event to Christianity. Yes, which can we agree on that? 386 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 387 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: So if that's the case, it had to happen to 388 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: fulfill the prophecy Judas's betrayal. Without Judas, there is no betrayal. 389 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: Without the betrayal, there is no cross. So the all 390 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: knowing New therefore executed the plan. 391 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I mean 392 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: I never hated Judas anyway, like you know, like villain, 393 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: but because he betrayed Jesus. But yeah, if you think 394 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: of it that way, like it's all part of the plant. 395 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Man, And I'll give you one more element here in Matthew, 396 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: Judas returns the silver and says, I have sinned by 397 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: betraying innocent blood and then he goes out and he 398 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: dies by suicide. Yeah, OK, yes, that's not the act 399 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: of a bad dude. No, it's the act of somebody 400 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: with guilt, somebody who's broken. When I think of ultimate villains, 401 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: I mean it all starts with Thanos. But but with Judas? 402 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: Was he evil? Was he weak? Was he needed? Was 403 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: he you all this can be there? Did he fulfill 404 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: like he fulfilled the prophecy? Did he betray? Yep? But 405 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: did he half? Did Jesus put him in a place 406 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: to where he knew he didn't have the ability to withstand? 407 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's it's all good stuff. Man. 408 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: I'm not disagreeing with you on any of this stuff. 409 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: So here's my final part on this, because when you 410 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: talk about religion, it can be controversy a little bit, 411 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: which is why normally I don't although it was Bible trivia, 412 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: chance like three years probably three years in a row. 413 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: But maybe again, possibly Judas wasn't evil, Maybe he was 414 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: chosen to carry the weight because he actually could carry 415 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: the weight, And maybe the tragedy isn't in what he did, 416 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: but that history doesn't really represent why he did it 417 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: or why he was needed to do it. 418 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: People were doing weird things then not knowing why they 419 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: were doing it. 420 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: That's my judas, that's Jesus. 421 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: And then again, do you think everybody feels guilt unless 422 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: they're like clinically insane. 423 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Well, insane is different, So sociopaths, psychopath that's when you 424 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: get into those the differences there, gotcha, Psychopaths don't feel guilt. 425 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: So what was your question? Now? 426 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, are those the real villains? Then? 427 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: But again, are they a villain if you're they can't 428 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: if you're built in a in a way that doesn't 429 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: allow you to have what we deem as normal, Like 430 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: if you never have a chance and you're born a 431 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: psychopath without the ability to feel, but we expect you 432 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: to feel anyway, that's a bit unfair by society, right. 433 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are also steps to like going down 434 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: the villain road code that. 435 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: Saying like psychopathic, real life serial killer. Yeah, like any 436 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: some people have impulse control, sure, right, Like I guess 437 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm always just thinking of Walter White. To me, he's 438 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: just the best example because he did start as just 439 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: a very innocent school teacher. But you start seeing things 440 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: differently once you get closer, like. 441 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 2: And I've never done anything bad like that, but like 442 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that once you kill someone, it's weird the 443 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: first time and you feel all these kinds of things, 444 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: but then after a while it just starts feeling normal, 445 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: and then you start maybe thinking I'm doing this for 446 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: a good reason or who knows where the mind takes 447 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: you after it just gets worse and worse and worse. 448 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: But I would say the first time is the one 449 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: that matters the most. And if you're broken period, our 450 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: society says you are bad if you do something bad, 451 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: even though you didn't have any control on if you 452 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: did it, or you have no impost control. Again, there's 453 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: a right answer here, man. This is a good So 454 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: I have notes on two other people. If you are 455 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: you guys? 456 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: Interesting? 457 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: Is this fun? Oh my gosh, I love this very interesting? Okay, 458 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: Benedict Arnold, much like Judas, people will call you a 459 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: Bennedict Donald if you're a trader. So do you want 460 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: Benedict Arnold pre story before? 461 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: Please? 462 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: An insulting way? Okay, no idea. If I would have 463 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: said if Benedict Arnold, would you have known that's an insult? 464 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: No? 465 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: So same thing synonymous with betrayal. So he was a 466 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: general in the Continental Army during the American Revolution. 467 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 2: American guy, American, Oh yeah, for sure. I was already 468 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 2: thinking he was some like guy from England. 469 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: In seventeen eighty, he secretly plotted to surrender West Point, 470 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: a key American fort, to the British. The plot was uncovered, 471 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: he fled to the British side. He fought against America, right, 472 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: like he sold it to this though, he's a villain, right. 473 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna actually lay out some thoughts that I 474 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: have regarding Benedict Arnald. But to this day, if you 475 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: say someone like Benedict Donald, that means they're trader. Yeah, okay, yeah, 476 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: So I want to give you the misunderstood angle of 477 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: Bendeticie Donald because and I listened to this professor who 478 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: does a podcast about history, which put me on this 479 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: because he talked about how Bennedict Donald was a war 480 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: hero for America, Like he was literally a revolutionary war hero. 481 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: He played a role in victories like Saratoga, which was 482 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: a turning point in the American Revolution. He was wounded 483 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: multiple times fighting for America. Like he wasn't a spy. Yeah, 484 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: He never set out to flip and go and fight 485 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: for the British. He put his life on the line 486 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: many times for America, noted during the right. I'm just 487 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: trying to make sure you know that, like you was shot, 488 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: he was stagged. 489 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: Got it. 490 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: For America. There there are riotings or soldiers under him 491 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: would write about how they admired him so much as 492 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: a leader from his bravery when he led them into battles. 493 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: George Washington respected him deeply. And I don't think that 494 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: he was doing all of this to be a spy. Okay, okay, 495 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: So he fell overlooked. And I'm not saying what did 496 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: was right, by the way, I'm just giving you a backstory. 497 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: Got it. 498 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: He was passed over constantly and consistently for promotions in 499 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: favor of far less qualified men who just basically knew 500 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: people right, got his feelings. 501 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: It's one I know someone that sounds like this, like 502 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 3: another person. 503 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: Not in real life, who was passed over you. 504 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: No, no, no, he was just like man Lee Harvey Oswald. 505 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: Congress refused to reimburse him for a bunch of personal 506 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: money he spent on the war effort, so he basically 507 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: poured him p r poor, poured himself and then they 508 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: gave him. His body was on the line and hurt. 509 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: He's out of money and they wouldn't reimburse him for 510 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: all the money that he spent. 511 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: So that him upset too. 512 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: Yes, so because he didn't have money. There was some 513 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: corruption charges against him because he's trying to make money back, 514 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: but a lot of those charges were political and not 515 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: even criminal. So with the undervalue, they disrespected the money 516 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: that he thought he owed. He was like, I have 517 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: no other options. I'm not moving up. I'm broke, i 518 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: spent all my money on this war. I'm hurt. And 519 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: somebody comes along and it's like, hey, we'll help you, 520 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: We'll show you some love. 521 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: All you have to do is tell us. 522 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: So the British promised him money and so again he 523 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: physically wasn't good. He couldn't pay his medical and so 524 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: you have the other side going. Do you have the 525 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: other side going? They treated you so poorly. You have 526 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: fought for them, you have represented them. You're shot and stabbed. 527 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: They owe you money, they're not giving you the money back. 528 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: They don't respect you. 529 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: You're hurt if you take this money though, how many 530 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: people does this effects it saves you. But how many 531 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 2: people does this affects? 532 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: He didn't, I would say he really didn't flip for 533 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: the British. He kind of flipped against the Americans who 534 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: wronged him. So it wasn't so much that he found 535 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: a loyalty to Yeah, he was reading a bunch of 536 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: British propaganda. Was like, no flipping over. But he had 537 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: been screwed over so many times by a small part 538 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: of that revolution that he's like, screw man, I'm out. 539 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: Like this sucks. And they don't even pay him my 540 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: money back. Yeah, like they owe me. But again it's 541 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: that's okay. You're mad at the government, but the government 542 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: is an entity. It's not a person. It's not like, 543 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, somebody probably did did him wrong. Some he 544 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: didn't have money to eat or fix his body. What 545 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: are you gonna do when you don't have money to 546 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: eat or heal. 547 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: You're gonna steal, You're gonna make bad decisions. You're gonna 548 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: do anything you can to make to make money, which 549 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: wi may. 550 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: Not even be a bad decision. You're gonna do whatever 551 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: you can to survive. 552 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: But you have to gauge who this is going to affect. 553 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: No no, who it's going to affect is you, because 554 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: you're hungry and hurt. And if you're hungry and hurt, 555 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: that's everything, right, So he did flip. He absolutely was 556 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: a patriot, He absolutely led battles, He absolutely was injured 557 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: in war. He absolutely had the respect of George Washington 558 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: and many many men under him. But it wasn't until 559 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: he A didn't get the proper promotion, but b didn't 560 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: get paid back for the money of his own So. 561 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: You think it was more of you think it was 562 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: more of his his desperate measures or more of him 563 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: being hurt. I am being upset. 564 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go fifty five percent desperate measures 565 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: forty five percent I'm gonna stick it to the people 566 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: who stuck it to me like I gave them everything. 567 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: Because if it's just stick it, it's not good. 568 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: I think fifty I would go more so than not 569 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: desperate measures. But I do think a significant of it 570 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: was they really screwed me over, And why would I 571 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: not screw over somebody who screwed me over after I've 572 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: led them, given on my life. My whole purpose was 573 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: to lead. And again I'm not even I'm not even 574 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: fighting for it. I'm just kind of presenting the other 575 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: side of it, but I think it's a really interesting 576 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: argument that doesn't get shared when talked. When Bennette Arnolds 577 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: talked about. 578 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: So the British Army after that, does he just go 579 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna go hang with you guys. 580 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: Now? 581 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: He did, yes, but he never lived lavish like the 582 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: money they gave him didn't make him rich, No, just 583 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: made him live just yeah, and he felt like there 584 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: were people who respected him. 585 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 2: Dude, It's crazy that every one of these stories has 586 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: a backstory that makes you think twice if they're a 587 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: villain or not. 588 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: They're all the penguin, you know, Yeah, they're all the penguin. 589 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: Do you know who I hate? And I wouldn't say villain, 590 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: but that people are so mean to as Bill Buckner 591 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: in Boston, who had an excellent career, excellent season, excellent game, 592 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: World Series of Ball goes between his legs. 593 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: They lose the World Series. Yeah, that's about it. 594 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: He was until they won again. He was that guy. 595 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: Mainly because you think he wanted to not to miss that. 596 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: Like and then this goes with everything in sports too, 597 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: like pep villains in sports. Bartman yeah, Bartman for the Cubs. 598 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: You're a Cubs guy, you know, you know about Bartman, 599 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: like you think he wanted to screw that. 600 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: He wanted to reach out over moist Zalo and knocked 601 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: and hit that ball in the Cubs. But but here's 602 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: what people forget too, is that that was game six. 603 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: First of all matter. First of all, they had the 604 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: whole rest of that game. All they do is get 605 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: the next guy out and then okay, they end losing 606 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: that game. They d not losing the next game after, 607 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: but didn't matter because Bartman was was kind of the scape, 608 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: the scapeboad for years. Yeah, for years. 609 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: Do you know where did he have to move? 610 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Like? 611 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: Where is Bartman? 612 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: He wanted a hiding basically because I would read stories 613 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: about him. Don't know where he is now. I don't 614 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: know what he's doing. I want to give you one 615 00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: final one. 616 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. This is the 617 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 5: Bobby Cast. 618 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: Tom from Tom and Jerry. Oh, I know we did, jud. 619 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: I mean Judas and Tom. I mean might be the 620 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: same story here. 621 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so so Eddie and I are the same age 622 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: where you're younger than us. So I don't know if 623 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: you ever watched like Tom and Jerry as a kid 624 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: that would come on randomly and watch those cartoons. 625 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: It would come on randomly. I never like got into 626 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: it all. 627 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: Well, you really couldn't get into it. 628 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: I guess you just kind of watch them chase each 629 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: other the whole time. 630 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: Did you understand the rivalry or whatever they. 631 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: Have cat mouse thing? 632 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 633 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: No, I never understood why, like why is he getting chased? 634 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Okay, great question, But my question first is did you 635 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 1: watch enough of it to know Tom and Jerry? Are 636 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: I understand? 637 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: Okay? 638 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Tom was the cat, Jerry was the mouse, 639 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: and Tom was just always under catch Jerry and kill Jerry, 640 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: and he was just doing his job instinct that, yeah, 641 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: what do you have cats? 642 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: Do they eat mice? 643 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: They eat mice. He's a house catch trying to stop 644 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: a rodent infestation. Correct, Jerry is the one who brought 645 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: the chaos. 646 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: Jerry shouldn't even be in the house. Yeah. 647 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: First of all, he's running through He's a rat. 648 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Yeah, he's a Look, he's a rat. 649 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: But dude, they do make they do make Tom the villain, 650 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: Like Tom is the bad dude and Jerry's the cute 651 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: little mouse. Say Oh my gosh, Tom's gonna eat me. 652 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: If they just shot it from a different perspective and 653 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: shot it from Tom's perspective more so than Jerry's, the 654 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: mouse would be the bad guy. Yeah, the Avengers would 655 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: be the bad guys. You could do this, You could 656 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: do this all around. It's all about the perspective shot from. 657 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: Because life is nuanced. Circumstances create people, people make decisions. 658 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: We all make good and bad ones. 659 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: This is deep. 660 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, if Jerry wasn't the villain, he would just use 661 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: the front door, you know, while you have to go 662 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: through the little bitty holes and be secretive about it, you 663 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 664 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: No, I wonder if you watched a new version too, 665 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: because they made a new. 666 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: Oh they made it more PC. 667 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: Well, they just made it like softer, like in the 668 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: two thousands. Really, yeah, because we watched like the fifties version. 669 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: There's no softness in the fifties versions. Yeah, even Looney Tunes. 670 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but Jerry's the bad guy. 671 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, But. 672 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: I will say, why the coyotes a bad guy and 673 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: there's really no way to talk to me out him 674 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: being the bad guy. That might be nature too, though, 675 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: he might be doing robots just chilling bro. 676 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. But but the coyote, Dude, the coyote is a 677 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: predator like his in his nature. He needs to he needs. 678 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: Us to actme like handvill like go get a slower one, yeah, 679 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: go get it. Yeah. 680 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: No. It always turned on him though, Man, every instrument 681 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: he used. 682 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: No elmer Fudd, you know, I hunted a lot. 683 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: He wanted his rabbit. 684 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: He wanted to kill his rabbit. 685 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: His vill rabbit. 686 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so this, this has been our discussion on. 687 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: What is the inconclusion? 688 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: And well I did that minute ago. In conclusion. We 689 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: are all filled with nuance. And I've had this conversation 690 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: with my wife too. I think everybody is somebody's villain 691 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: in real life. I think there's somebody out there and listen, 692 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Read is a kind and gentle soul, but there's somebody 693 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: out there who know them doesn't like Read for some 694 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: reason that he has inserted Read as the villain in 695 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: his life because something either hasn't worked out for the 696 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: other person, or Read is like taking his girl, or 697 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: whatever the reason is. 698 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 2: Is that it Read. 699 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 3: That's definitely not it. 700 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: But Read is the villain. You're the villain in someone's life. 701 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like we all have people who see us 702 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: as the villain. Sure, and we see people as the 703 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: villain that probably aren't. But based on our environment, our circumstances, 704 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: the way that we see ourselves and others, we quickly 705 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: find ways to villainize other people. So when I wrote 706 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: most of this out, it was thanos a because I've 707 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: just talked about it so long. And then I started 708 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: researching other villains finger quotes, and I started to realize, Man, 709 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: if they did like prequels on even real people that 710 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: I think you would go still don't like him, but 711 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: I have a little more understanding, And I think understanding 712 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: is the key to all of this, and that even 713 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: Caitlin's dad, the nicest man in the world, probably has 714 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: someone who thinks he's a villain. And when I told 715 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: that to Caitlin, she was like, no, wa, he's the 716 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: nicest guy in the world. I was like, I agree, 717 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: but you don't think there's another eye doctor in a 718 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: small town that's like he's taken my clients. This guy 719 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: he's taken like everybody goes to him. 720 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he's made him a villain and he's misunderstood. 721 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: So that's that's the end. I like it. 722 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 2: This is so deep. 723 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: I've never really had the Judas talk out loud. 724 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. 725 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys, you don't have to agree with me. 726 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: I know religion is a touchy thing. I don't think 727 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: this sensitive thing. I respect it that people. 728 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: Will disagree with you on that, but I don't think 729 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: they will. 730 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't even care if they disagree. I just want 731 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: everybody to know that that has done from a completely 732 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: respectful place with Okay, I'm good as long as I 733 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: say that, I'm good. 734 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, you're good. 735 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: But I've never had the conversation. I've written it all out. 736 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: I've never actually seven on a microphone before. 737 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you start with the Penguin and then. 738 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: You're Judas Benedicto benedict Arnold's talk one too though. You're 739 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: talking about America. Yeah, early early America, Revolutionary War. Okay, 740 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: thank you very much for listening to the podcast. If 741 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: you listen to all this, you're in the fifty minute club. 742 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure I really are on this, but 743 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: if you don't mind sending me a message saying, hey, 744 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm in the fifteen minute club. I would love to 745 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: see it. That means you got all the way to 746 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: the end of something that we felt like might be 747 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: so ridiculous. We may not even record into a microphone, 748 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: So if you're in the fifty minute club, thank you 749 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: very much and appreciate you. 750 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 4: Guys, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.