1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: one thirty two, who said it was wrong to have 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: sex in the cemetery. Okay, well, for me, that is scary, creepy. 4 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Im plus, just from my point of view, you're likely 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: to get mugged or arm dropped or carjacked in an 6 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: empty cemetery in the middle of the night. But who 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: am I to judge? It's not a crime. It's a 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: moral issue. I'm not the church lady. But this case 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: is so much bigger than that. Sex in a cemetery 10 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: seemingly has rocked the foundation of a political so called 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: genius and now it's a crime, and actual crime involved 12 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: all from sex and a cemetery. Actually, it sounds like 13 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: a horrible mixed alcoholic drink. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 14 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Okay, let's 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: just start at the beginning. Joining me right now from 16 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: the scene. I hope you're not in the cemetery, Pamela 17 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: for Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Before I get to the crime, 18 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: why do we care if to nuts sneak off to 19 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: a cemetery to get it on. I mean, I don't 20 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: really want to think about it. But now it's been 21 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: forced into my psyche. What happened? Right? Well, I mean 22 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: you're right, nobody cares if two people want to do 23 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: whatever they do. But the reason why we care here 24 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: it's the Nashville mayor for bodyguard. Well wait a minute, 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: didn't you see bodyguard with Kevin Costner Whitney Houston. Didn't 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: you see that? So what's the problem. I don't care 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: what they do. I just really don't want to hear 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: about it. Well, here's the problem, taxpayers, Kay this bodyguard. 29 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: He is an employee of the Metro Nashville Police Department, 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of overtime hours were scheduled in the 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: two years that mayor National National Mayor Magan Berry admitted 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: to having this affair. He put in more than a 33 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: hundred seventy thousand dollars worth of overtime during that time, 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: and so National taxpayers are very upset about this and 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: now the cheating. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I 36 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: lost my breath when you set a hundred and seventy 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Hold on, let me Jackie. Jackie may need 38 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: to give me a baby aspirin because now my chest 39 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: is hurting. Wait a minute, did you a hundred and 40 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars of overtime on top of his regular salary? Correct? Okay, 41 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: so to me to to physical to physical years? So 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: two years here to me, I've got two questions. One, 43 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: these are yes knows. Let me draw upon my cross 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: examination skills such as they are. Did the mayor sign 45 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: off on the overtime? She did not, but the from 46 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: my understanding, the police chief did, and this is her 47 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: personal bodyguard. Correct? And Second, can we show that he 48 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: charged for his duties quote e air quote at the 49 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: time they were Well, I just there's just really no 50 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: nice way to say it. Having sex in the cemetery? 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: What were those some of the hours or do we 52 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: know that piece of the puzzle yet, that is the 53 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: part that the t D I believe is a yes, 54 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: because clocked in during the hours that the cemetery activity 55 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: was taking place the overnight. By the way, you said that, 56 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: Pam for the cemetery activity, you make it sound like 57 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: there's somebody like two guys out there in the middle 58 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: of the a landscaping or arranging flowers, a cemetery activity. 59 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: That's not what was going on. Joel Brodsky, renowned defense 60 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: attorney UH known best for his defense of the killer 61 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: the wife killer, Drew Peterson. Don't take that the wrong way, 62 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: Joel Brodsky. Joel Brodsky joining me, you have quite the 63 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: reputation and the UM let me just say history of 64 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: dealing with corruption. What what do you have to say? 65 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: I mean when we when I first said sex in 66 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: the cemetery, it sounds almost laughable. But now that I 67 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: found out somebody is getting paid about two dred grand 68 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: for it, that's a whole another can of worms. You know, 69 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: my mother Joel Brodsky eighties six years old, still teaches 70 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: piano lessons to make a living. And I don't take 71 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: kindly to somebody stealing from the taxpayers. That's yeah, it's 72 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: like a larseny, like a theft. But we have in 73 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: public corruption cases you have to watch out for is 74 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: the difference between what's a criminal act or if we're 75 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: just taking some regulation that's created UH in somebody's job 76 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: and then saying to violate the rule of your job 77 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that's a felony because that allows UM. 78 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, people who just employers will make rules to 79 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: UH an all of a sudden legislative. Wait a minute, 80 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Joe Brodsky, hold on, hold on, it's 81 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: a whole another can of worms. If it's a private 82 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: corporation and somebody's patting their expense report. Oh, I had 83 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: a three martini lunch here with this one and that one, 84 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: and it cost me four dollars because we went to 85 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: Zan George in New York City. And Okay, that's one 86 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: thing that's bad. But what about when you're defrauding the taxpayers? 87 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Now that is a crime where the other one is. 88 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: I guess um, I would call it a tax violation. 89 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean there there's a big difference when you're defrauding 90 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: the taxpayers versus your private your private employer. Well, I 91 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: guess maybe I'm getting to a little bit technical, But 92 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: what was he you know, if he was putting an 93 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: overtime knowing that he was not going to be uh, 94 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, doing his job as a bodyguard, uh at 95 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: the time when he was doing you overtime, that would 96 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: you know be the uh But I okay, wait a minute, 97 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, Jackie Howard, you're gonna have to control yourself. 98 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Jackie is here making very very inappropriate jokes and writing 99 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: inappropriate comments on her whiteboard at me while I'm trying 100 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: to focus on crime. You know what, there's no doubt 101 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: it went down. Okay, that's not a good choice of worse, 102 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: there's no doubt it happened. Listen to this, I, as 103 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: a public official, have had a private event in my 104 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: life that I need to to share. I had a 105 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: consensual relationship with a member of my security detail. And 106 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: I am deeply sorry for that. And I am embarrassed, 107 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: and I am sad, and I am so sorry for 108 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: all the pain that I have caused my family and 109 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: his family. And I know that that God will forgive me, 110 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: but that Nashville doesn't have to. And I hope that 111 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: I can earn their trust, and I can earn your 112 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: trust back, and that you will forgive me. What I 113 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: did was wrong. I should not have had an affair. 114 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: I would have had the security detail with me as 115 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: part of my mayor responsibilities, regardless of who that person was. 116 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: That I should not have had that affair. Is it 117 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: possible that you could have once the affair story, maybe 118 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: believe him of his duties or ask him to resign 119 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: because you've caused yourself so much having this affairwell, he 120 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: was still on duty. You understand now, all these these 121 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: normal things like a trip to blank now gets scrutiny 122 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: like you'll never get before, every single trip, every meal, 123 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: every hotel mill. It was wrong, and I should have 124 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: gone to the chief and I should have said what 125 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: was happening, and I should have made a better decision 126 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: about that. Um. But everything that Sergeant Forest did in 127 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the course of his responsibility to be my detail was 128 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: business related. I think as a public official, and with 129 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the conversations that we're starting to swirl, it was clear 130 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: that our personal lives were going to become public and 131 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: and we had made a serious mistake and we needed 132 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: to step up and we needed to own it. And 133 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing today. I will look forward to 134 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: continue to work for Nashvillians. We have an agenda in 135 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: this office that is robust, and we have and focused 136 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: on transit and housing and education. Uh and we'll continue 137 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: to do that. I think that today I'm here to 138 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: admit that I have personal failings. I am only human, 139 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: and I didn't stop being a human when I became 140 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: the mayor. And I believe that as the mayor, I've 141 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: been able to do a lot of really good things 142 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: in the city with the Metro Council and with the 143 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: people I work with, and I have disappointed them terribly 144 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: and that that is my biggest sadness today. Okay, So 145 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: to Dr Brian Russell, you know it's gonna take me 146 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: the rest of the hour to explain all of his credentials, 147 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: no offense, brodsky fur and he'll but uh. Dr Brian Russell, 148 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: psychologist and lawyer, host of the hit show on Discovery 149 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: I d fatal vows And as if that weren't enough 150 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: for one person, he informed me just before we go 151 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: to air that he also wrote a book called Stop 152 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: Moaning and Start own Ing. I really liked that title. 153 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: I wish I could steal it, but sadly now I 154 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: know about it, Dr Brian Russell, I mean, you deal 155 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: with disastrous relationships. Obviously, this is a disaster in the making. 156 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Dr Brian Russell, I guess I'm going through 157 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: life with blinders on. But I don't want to look 158 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: at another guy. I don't want to get involved. I 159 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: don't want to even know about another guy period. I'm 160 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: in it to win it. Okay. I learned that at 161 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: dancing with the stars. Everybody else was saying it, so 162 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: I started to saying it too. I'm in it to stay. 163 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't even want to be tempted, you know. I 164 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: want to find happiness in my own home with my children, 165 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: my husband, my eighties six year old mother who lives 166 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: with me, a cat and a dog, and two guinea pigs. 167 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: With all that on my plane, I don't have time 168 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: to look at another guy. Dr Brian Russell. I mean, 169 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: people get tempted all the time. That doesn't mean you 170 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: have to follow through with it. And it's great that 171 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: you don't want to, because let me tell you, Nancy, 172 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to be on my show, if somebody 173 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be on Fatal Vows, getting involved in an 174 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: extramarital affair would be the very best way to do it. 175 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: But you know, when it's a politician, this isn't just 176 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: dangerous to them. This is dangerous to the public because 177 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: it exposes the politician to blackmail. And the kind of 178 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: a person who would rationalize and justify cheating on their 179 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: spouse may very well also be the kind of a 180 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: person who would rationalize and justify doing some kind of 181 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: a favor for a blackmailer rather than leaving office. Um, now, 182 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: hold on, you're making a giant leap legally. Dr Brian Russell, 183 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: host of I D S Fatal vows to say because 184 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: she would go have sex in a cemetery with the 185 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: bodyguard while he's charging overtime according to reports, Okay, that's 186 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: got to be proven that she would be open to blackmail. 187 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't think we've gotten as far as a blackmail. 188 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is people get tempted, no offense guys, 189 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: but it's usually guys, And I'll just put it out there. 190 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: That's just an anecdote. I don't have a statistic, but 191 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: they get tempted all the time. That doesn't mean you've 192 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: got to follow through. That's where impulse control comes from. 193 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, former Nashville police officer, he knows this beat 194 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: and now very well known private eye. Vincent Hill, how 195 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: do you go about actually proving the nuts and bolts 196 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: of this thing? Well, Manti, you talk about the secret 197 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: Service boy where there's some secrets going on here. But 198 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: I think it would be pretty easy to determine if 199 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: Rob four too, I knew personally on the police department 200 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: was submitting over time while he was actually engaging in 201 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: sexual acts with the mayor. And you have all the 202 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: powder kegs for this. You have a police officer, and 203 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: women find lice officers attractive. It's about power. You have 204 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: the mayor, she's about power. So you have these two 205 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: high powered individuals who unfortunately took advantage of taxpayer of 206 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: dollars and did not fulfill their duties while they said 207 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: they were doing. It's very, very disturbed. So you know 208 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: this guy, you know, the bodyguard, Well, we definitely didn't 209 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: hang out, but I knew of him. He had been 210 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: on the department, you know, years before I joined. Uh, 211 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't suspect him of doing this, but again, 212 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: you never know. And as you say, people get tempted 213 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: all the time, especially us as guys like you said. 214 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: So it's definitely not a surprise that it could have happened. 215 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: This is what we know. The Nashville Mayor, Megan Barry, 216 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: has admitted having an extra marital affair with Sergeant Rob Forrest, 217 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: her bodyguard. The Nashville Mayor's bodyguard, Well, they don't have 218 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: to work too hard at proving it. The mayor is 219 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: caught on camera in the early morning hours in cemetery, 220 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: visits with her bodyguard lover while he claimed over time, 221 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: and nude photos apparently found on his work phone. I mean, 222 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, back to you Dr Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer. 223 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: They're not really even trying to cover it up. I mean, 224 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: what idiot would send nude photos? This is the biggest 225 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: question that I get asked in these cases. Why would 226 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: someone smart enough to get to the high level position 227 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: be dumb enough then to jeopardize everything by doing stuff 228 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: like that to get caught cheating. And you think about 229 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, you go back to Bill Clinton, you look 230 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: at this woman in Nashville. Uh, you can list a 231 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of them, and it really comes down to the 232 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: narcissistic entitlement in the personality. They surround themselves with sycophants 233 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: and yes men. They rational lines that their achievements and 234 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: sacrifices for us the masses are so wonderful that they're 235 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: entitled to do things which, by the way, they would 236 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: never tolerate being done to themselves. And and here you go, 237 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: and it does it really does make them, uh, not 238 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: just narcissistically entitled, but it really does make them susceptible, vulnerable, 239 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: to blackmail because if somebody finds out about this, uh, 240 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, they can be they can be threatened with 241 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: disclosure unless they do something for the person who finds out. Well, 242 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: this is what else we know. Pamela Furge joined me 243 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter. Now I love this. Okay, the footage, 244 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: the surveillance footage shows her what suv entering the graveyard, 245 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: usually around seven am on several occasions during their two 246 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: year six affair, before she heads to the back of 247 00:15:53,960 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: the graveyard, sometimes re emerging in about twelve minutes. Okay, Uh, now, 248 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna that's not a crime, of course, but 249 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let that sink in from her. But 250 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: listen to this. Listen to what her spokesperson says. Quote. 251 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes she would go for a walk. Other times she 252 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: would sit in the car and either reflect, make calls, 253 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: catch up on emails, or report issues with vandalism in 254 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: the cemetery. Okay, then the new the nude photos emerge. 255 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: Pamela for please take a listen to the mayor herself, 256 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: insisting that people still want her on the job. Listen, 257 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: why not. I have lots of work to do in 258 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: this city and every day, I get up and I 259 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: do it. And today is a great example. We are 260 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: here cutting a ribbon on affordable housing. And that's what 261 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: the voters have asked me to do when I and 262 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: two years ago, that's what I'm gonna do. You can 263 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: your administration survived? Can your administries that survive everything that's 264 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: come out in the last week? Uh? You know, I've 265 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: been very forthcoming with everything, and I think that the 266 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: citizens of Davison County continue to want us to get 267 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: up every day and go to work. And I have 268 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: a great team. We have great Metro employees who get 269 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: up every day and make sure that the city runs. 270 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: I want to continue on this one to Pamela. Pamela, 271 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: what do we know? Well, we know that there is 272 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: now a move on to recall the mayor um. There 273 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: is a process through Metro government and so it takes 274 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: sixty thousand signatures to start that process and it has begun. 275 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: Nashvillians are not very happy with the affair. They're not 276 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: very happy of the alleged possible criminal wrongdoing, but more 277 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: importantly now they're embarrassed about cemetery sex and nude photos, which, 278 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: by the way, Rob Forrest not only allegedly took with 279 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: his phone, but he also email to himself to his 280 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: Metro police email account, which is so reckless and careless. 281 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Joel Broad's key high profile defense attorney, Joel Broadsky, 282 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: he emailed all of this to his work email. It's 283 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: like he's begging to be caught. Yeah, it is. But 284 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: is it you know, is it? Is it a crime? 285 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: Because I remember one time I had a case where 286 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: a police officer had you know, there was a rule 287 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: police officer, I'm supposed to go outside of their zone. 288 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: They're they're beat during during hours. And a guy went 289 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: outside his zone. And they all do all the time, 290 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, they go out of the launch or whatever. 291 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: But in this case, he did something that they didn't like, 292 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: so they accused him of of official misconduct, which is 293 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: a crime. And the appellate court said that's not a crime. Uh, 294 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: just by making work rules, you cannot criminalize work violations. 295 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: So you know, bad overtime or uh, improper emailing. We 296 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: have to make sure, I mean, why they could be 297 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: work violations? Why they can be grounds for removing somebody 298 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: from office, perhaps if the voters don't like it. But 299 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: is it a crime? You know, is this what we want? 300 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: Do we want to give uh? You know, people, employers, 301 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: even even if their municipalities, the power to criminalize actions 302 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: without the state legislature doing it. And that is a 303 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: concern I have why, you know, obviously the behaviors and 304 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: is inappropriate and probably should we've result in there, especially 305 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: at the overtime resulting they moved from office. I just 306 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm concerned that we're making too many things criminal as well. 307 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: That's spoken like true criminal defense attorney. Now, Forest had 308 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: served in the place force for thirty one years. He 309 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: led security details for three mayors. He accompanied Mayor Barry 310 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: on out of town trips beginning in June two thousand sixteen, 311 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: nine trips in two thousand seventeen, claiming they were all 312 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: for legitimate business purposes. Now Barry has told USA Today 313 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: that their affair began in Spraying two thousand sixteen, but 314 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: has declined to say when it ended. We know that 315 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: the cop has stepped down and it's no longer with 316 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: the department. Now this is another thing. I know. Photos 317 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: were discovered, as we pointed out, on forest work email. 318 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: According to official filings, two hundred and sixty deleted chats 319 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: between Forrest phone and the mayor's phone and thirty five 320 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: deleted collogues. According to the AFFI, David to Vincent Hill, 321 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: former Nashville police officer where all of this occurred and 322 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: current p I private investigator, sounds like he's trying to 323 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: get rid of Avid. Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like, Nancy. 324 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, you as well as I know that you 325 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: can delete something doesn't mean it can't be found. And 326 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: you know the fact that he was sending this on 327 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: a work email, as secure as that's supposed to be 328 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: because you're supposed to talk about cases and things of 329 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: that nature. You know there there's a big problem there, 330 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: big for us. So what happens now back to Pamela 331 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: for Crime Stories investigative reporter. What's the rest on the 332 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: legal end. But on the legal end, the mayor is 333 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: asking for the d A Glenn funk Here, to recuse 334 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: himself from this case. He's the one that called for 335 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: the investigation. So there's a d a's office investigation, a 336 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: tb I investigation. The d a's office, his budget comes 337 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: before the mayor, she has to approve it, so she 338 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: thinks he should recuse himself. Altogether. She called for that 339 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: on Friday. Here is what the mayor has to say. 340 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: We actually Glenn funk To raised this issue to my 341 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: attorney last week. He was concerned about potential conflict of interest. 342 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: We took that very seriously when he said that, and 343 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: we did our due diligence. We got the head of 344 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Bar Association to give an opinion on that. Uh. 345 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: He absolutely says that Glenn has a conflict tension recused 346 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: and that there is precedent out there based on other 347 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: case law. Uh. We take that very seriously. We wanted 348 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: that opinion and end because Glenn had raised it. Back 349 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: to Pamela for Crime Stories, investigative reporter. What's the rest 350 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: um the other As far as the investigation goes, there 351 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: are rumors that possible indictments could come down this week. 352 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: Those are just rumors, But the investigation continues from a 353 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: criminal standpoint of theft of property is what they're investigating, 354 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: and official misconduct which are uh taken care of with 355 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: the state legislature. They had those laws here in Tennessee. Um. 356 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: The other part of this rob for Rish wife has 357 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: now filed for divorce. That happened on Friday, so now 358 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: you've got that investigation going on as well. She left 359 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: him officially according to the divorce documents, on February the first, 360 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: the day after it was announced there was this affair, 361 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: and she filed for divorce on Friday to base. And 362 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: you have the city council also investigating the mayor for 363 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: official misconduct through the Metro investigation. So there's a special 364 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: committee with the Metro City Council. So there's four different 365 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: investigations going on right now with Mayor Megan Berry. I 366 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: am deeply sorry, and I've made a mistake, and I 367 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: am human and I have human failings. As I said, 368 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: I didn't stop being human when I became the mayor, 369 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: and I deeply regret this. And my hope is that 370 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: as we continue to do the good work of the city, 371 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: that the Nashvillians who have always expected me to do 372 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: what's best for our city will continue to have that expectation. 373 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: Let me just pause as we discuss I never thought 374 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: i'd say these words. Sex in the cemetery. Again. It 375 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: sounds like a horrible alcoholic drink, but it deals with 376 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: the public. It deals with people that work every day 377 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: like us and expect our leaders that we elect and 378 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: we pay to behave themselves and focus on our business 379 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: during work hours. At the very least, the thought of 380 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: my mother still teaching piano at her age and somebody 381 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: sucking up tax pay your money so they can have 382 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: sex in the cemetery two d thousand dollars of overtime. Uh, 383 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: I want to thank our answer making this and all 384 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: our investigations possible. At series Sex and one two it's 385 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: legal Zoom. 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Thank you for being 403 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: our sponsor and our partner today on series Sex M 404 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: one thirty two. And I'm very embarrassed, and I'm deeply ashamed, 405 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: and I'm very sorry. But when I've had a an 406 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: extra mental affair, um, since I've been in the Mayor's office, 407 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: and I have heard a lot of people we are 408 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: live in Nashville today and the latest regarding a lady 409 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: mayor married who apparently was having a sex affair with 410 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: her chief bodyguard in a cemetery and early morning hours 411 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: and charging the taxpayers to boot. Now, that is an 412 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: issue that will have to be determined. It's alleged right 413 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: now now. Megan Barry has long been viewed as rising 414 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: within the Democratic Party, and it says she does not 415 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: want this affair to uh impact the me too movement 416 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: in any way since this is between consenting adults. I mean, 417 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't know at this point if she can be 418 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: a rising star in any party but that's really not 419 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: my concern. My concern is was they're a crime committed. 420 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: Here is what the mayor has to say, it was 421 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: inappropriate for us to have this affair. But I think 422 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: that when we talk about the me too movement and 423 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: those conversations, I think I want to be clear because 424 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to muddy the Me too movement. The 425 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: Me Too movement is about women who have been sexually 426 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: harassed and economically disadvantaged for hundreds of years. This is 427 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: about two middle aged, consenting adults who had feelings for 428 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: each other and for human and had failings. I think 429 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: I'm going to go back and and say this again. 430 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: This is a consensual relationship between two middle aged people 431 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: who had feelings for each other, um, and what we 432 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: did was wrong. I'm not running away from that. But 433 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: this is not the Me too movement. This is not 434 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: about sexually harassing and economically disadvantaging women, which is what 435 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: that's about now. Joel Brodsky thinks that this is no 436 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: violation of criminal statute. To Dr Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer 437 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: and host of Fatal Vows as well as author, I'll 438 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: stop moaning and start owning. We talk about entitlement. Okay, 439 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: they're married and they think they won't get caught meeting 440 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: in a public cemetery and then coming out with that 441 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous story that she goes there to reflect Dr Russell, 442 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: I mean sending each other, sending photos, naked photos, deleting chats. 443 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean they have all people should know that this 444 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: is a powder kig wanting to blow up. Well, absolutely, 445 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: and as much as I don't want to defend this 446 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: guy either one of them, the lawyer in me has 447 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: to point out that, you know the best defense that 448 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: the bodyguard might have is that this was the CEO 449 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: of the organization for which he worked, participating in this 450 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: stuff with him, So you know, his uh, his best defense. 451 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: Maybe Look, my boss, who I assume has the authority 452 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: to okay over time and to direct to me where 453 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: to be, told me all this was fine. But absolutely 454 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: it's it's total narcissistic entitlement driving this. That's why people 455 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: who seem so smart in some respects do such dumb 456 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: things in other respects. The TBR, the Tennessee Brew of Investigations, 457 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: says it obtained nude photos of a woman taking on 458 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: the phone of Sergeant Rob Forrest evidence, investigators say shows 459 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: that the mayor engaged in that affair with her bodyguard. Okay, 460 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: she is saying she doesn't know whether it's her, but 461 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: there is the issue of a black purse. Pamela for 462 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: why does a black purse factor into these nude photos. 463 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: Apparently in the nude photo, the black purse was laying 464 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: beside this woman who was partially closed here. Uh, and 465 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: it was laying beside her on the bed. Uh. It's 466 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: my understanding that there is been a picture maybe two 467 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: hours later of her at an event with that same 468 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: exact purse. It looks like the same exact purse. So 469 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: that's what investigators are saying, could prove that he during 470 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: the hours that he clocked in that he was on duty, 471 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: he took the picture and then two hours later, there 472 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: she is with the same purse, and that again, that's 473 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: what they're see Pamela. For her, she insists she's cooperating. 474 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: Listen to this, Pamela, we have absolutely cooperated with the 475 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: tv I. We said we would, and we have been 476 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: uh the original affidavit. We asked for that so that 477 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: we could see what the underlying piece was. The distarch 478 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: attorney denied us that um, we didn't see that until 479 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: it was already given to the press, so we needed 480 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: to review it. And then after having spent time with 481 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: the director of the t V I we got the 482 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: assurances that we need. We have always been cooperating with them. 483 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: We've given them over thousands of pages of documents. End up, 484 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: we're continuing to Pamela for what I mean, if she 485 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: violates the public trust and possibly a law that's yet 486 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: to be determined. I guess what she wants the gold 487 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: star for cooperating. Is that correct? She wants the gold star, 488 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: but evidence shows that she was not cooperating at all. 489 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: At first, she was refusing she would hand she hand 490 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: it over her cell phone because that was requested in 491 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: the search warrant, but she would not turn over the 492 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: past code to actually open that phone. Her attorney was 493 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: trying to negotiate terms, which she says she felt was 494 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: reasonable that they would not look at her personal text 495 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: messages and photos of her son, who by the way, 496 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: passed away not too very long ago, also messages with 497 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: her mother, with her sisters, with her family, with her husband. 498 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: She didn't want any of that looked at. She just 499 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: wanted messages that had to do with the investigation the 500 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: t V. I said, no, we have to look at 501 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: all of it. And so she refused for quite a 502 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: while to give that pass code until the end of 503 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: the day, when I mean, people were blasting her for that, 504 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: being hypocritical, saying she's cooperating when she wasn't. That's right. 505 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: The mayor's office contended certain information documents relating to the 506 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: two year affairs should be kept from from the public. 507 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: Pamela for what happened to her. Her son actually passed 508 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: away back in the summer from an accidental drug overdose. 509 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 1: He he had been having some problems anyway with drugs 510 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: and he took way too many and and ended up 511 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: passing away. So at first the question was was she 512 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: going to that cemetery by chance to visit her son. Well, 513 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: her son's not buried there. His son was her son 514 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: was cremated, and so she still has the ashes, hasn't 515 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: actually interred those ashes yet, and so that was the 516 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: first question that popped up. Maybe she really is going 517 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: to for silent reflection to visit her son, but he's 518 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: not buried there, so that's not the case at all. 519 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: And some had said, you know, maybe because of this, 520 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: the death, tragic death of her son. Maybe this is 521 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: why she engaged in the affair, but the affair happened 522 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: long before her son passed away. You can't give her 523 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: any of those benefits of the doubt. Mayor Buried tells 524 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Nashville News Channel five that it is her son's death 525 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: that helps her keep what is going on right now 526 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: in perspective. Listen, you know the political world. There may 527 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: be some people who say she cannot govern, she must resign. 528 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: What do you say to them, No, Uh, this is 529 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: a bad day. I'm going to have a lot more 530 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: bad days coming up. I've already had my worst day. 531 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: And and I know the difference between a mistake and 532 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: a tragedy, and this is a mistake. And I think 533 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: that we've been able to show in this administration over 534 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: the last two years that we've done a lot of 535 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: really good things. And that's going to continue to be 536 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: my focus. What happens now. Back to the information and 537 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: records the mayor's office has declined to release, include the 538 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: number of employees in her office who have been involved 539 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: respond ending to the un unfolding scandal instead of their 540 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: usual duties for the taxpayers, the hours they spent on 541 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: the scandal. All these employees are paid by taxpayers. Written 542 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: communications between the mayor, her aids, and officials in the 543 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: police department about the affair. State law gives members of 544 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: the public the right to review government records, including texts 545 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: and emails involving public officials. They are refusing to release 546 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: written communications between the mayor, her aids, and a private 547 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: individual working on behalf of the mayor that reference to 548 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: the affair. Um She keeps saying we'll give any records 549 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: over to anyone who would like them, and a news 550 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: conference where she admitted the affair. But it hasn't been 551 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: that easiest, more like pulling a tune to Joel broad Sky, 552 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: defense attorney, So what do you make of it? Will 553 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: there be some sort of a prosecution or now probably 554 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: I can probably under a theft uh theory, it would 555 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: sound to me, uh that there would be. Now that's 556 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, hundred thousand dollar theft. It's probably a felony, 557 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: So it's a serious crime. I don't know if it's 558 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: putting anybody in jail, but I wouldn't be surprised too 559 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: to see something along in those lines. I don't know 560 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: about official misconduct because it has to be violation of 561 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: a law as opposed to a rule or a regulation. 562 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I could I could see a theft charge here, 563 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: and I think it'd be very difficult to beat. If 564 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: you could show that he knowingly put in uh a 565 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: request for overtime pay for a time when he knew 566 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: he was involved in the tryst with the with the 567 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: with the mayor. It would be a difficult case to defend, 568 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: except if you could definitively show that he knowingly put 569 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: in an time slip for a period when he knew 570 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: he was not um. Yeah, well what I see, uh, 571 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: Vincent Hell with me private eye and former Nashville police 572 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: officer in this very jurisdiction. The search affidavits and warrants 573 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: state that state statutes from misconduct of public officials and 574 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: employees as well as theft of property. Now, what do 575 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: you make of theft of property charges? Vincent Hall? How 576 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: will that be supported by the law? Well, I think 577 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: you have all the elements of that, Nancy. I mean, 578 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: you're you're submitting these these documents for this overtime which 579 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: turns out to be false and anything over. I believe 580 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: five dollars last I remember is considered a felony in Nashville. 581 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about a hundred and seventy thousand dollars worth. 582 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: So you know, for Rob it's it's definitely not looking 583 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: that great for him. Not only is he going through 584 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 1: a divorce now he's possibly looking at some serious gentle 585 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: time as well. Well, here's my issue back to Joel Brodsky, 586 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: the photos taken without the mayor's knowledge. She's claiming she 587 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: didn't know about these photos. That seems those allegations seem 588 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: to be the most serious to me of what's being 589 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: alleged right now, What do you think of that? Well, yeah, 590 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: obviously you know, and this happens more and more with 591 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: the new technologies cell phones, everybody has cameras of taking 592 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: pictures of people, um, in compromising situations, in places where 593 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, normally you wouldn't expect for your photograph to 594 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: be taken. So they have an evasion of privacy issue 595 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: there that that has been criminalized in a lot of jurisdictions. Uh. 596 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: And obviously you know the math unknowingly taking you know, 597 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: new photographs of a woman, uh, without their knowledge or consent? 598 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: Is you know? Now, I'm just morally wrong, but but 599 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: potentially criminally wrong. Listen, you mentioned that there were taken 600 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: if they were of you, they were taken a your puition, 601 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: are you prepared to rushes against prism. I haven't seen 602 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: the pictures, um and so I don't know what they contain. 603 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like. And at the moment, 604 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: that's not what my focus is. My focus is on 605 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: dealing with the this investigation and collaborating with TV. So 606 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: what about that? Did Dr Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer and 607 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: host of Discovery Ideas Fatal Vows. You know, you deal 608 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: with relationship issues at ending crime. What about if she's 609 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: telling the truth that these nude photos, assuming they're her 610 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: and based on the black pocket book, they are unknowingly 611 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: taking nude photos, that is a crime, I believe Dr 612 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, But you have to see it all the time. Well, 613 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: and it's absolutely not surprising that the person who would 614 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: do the other things that this guy allegedly did. You 615 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: know what what, Well, it's hard to sympathize much with 616 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: this woman in this case because of her culpability in 617 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: this If you think about just the guy in the 618 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: taking of the pictures, it's not hard at all. It's 619 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: not much of a stretch from from the kind of 620 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: a person who would engage in all of the other 621 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: things we've been talking about. Two also then engage in that, 622 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: which which is why you don't want to get involved 623 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: with the person like that. You know, every everybody when 624 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: they think about cheating, they just think about, you know, 625 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: how bad it is for the spouse to be betraying 626 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: their spouse. Well, you know what, the other people involved 627 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: in these affairs, even if they're not married, usually are no, 628 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: uh are are not a lot more moral people. And 629 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: then almost always they know that the person they're involved 630 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: with is cheating on a spouse and they don't care. 631 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: A lot of times their kids involved they don't care 632 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: about that either. So you know what, what a surprise 633 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: that that she got involved with this guy and he 634 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: turned turns out to if if he did turns out 635 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: to have victimized her in this way with the picture, 636 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: it's what, how what a shocker? Well, here's the other thing. Legally, 637 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: Joel Brodsky. For instance, if a cop is walking along 638 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: and they see opening your car a bag of coke, 639 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: that is not an illegal search, okay, because any pedestrian 640 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: can look in your car and see that. That's just 641 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: the cop hasn't done anything wrong in this case. If 642 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: she claims that the naked photos violated her privacy, she's, 643 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: according to allegations, having sex in a public area that 644 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: anybody walking by could have seen. So the photos aren't 645 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: anything that a passer by couldn't see. Well, we don't 646 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: know where those photos were taken. They were taken into 647 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: the central area or half when they were on one 648 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: of their there. They're quote unquote business trips or monkey 649 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: business trips, uh the quick it could have been taken there. Obviously. 650 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: If they were taken in the public place, and they're 651 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: having sex in a public place, I think may also 652 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: be a crime, even though I don't know if it's 653 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: a very serious one. Another crime, that's right, you know, yeah, 654 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean clearly if they're doing if they're taking the 655 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: photos in a place where she had no expectation of privacy, 656 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: then she wouldn't it wouldn't be a criminal act to 657 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: take the photos. That so, Pamela for where does it 658 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: stand now? Again, where it stands now is that you've 659 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: got four different investigations going on. Uh. My sources say 660 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: there could be some indictments handed down this week from 661 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: the d a's office. Um and and at this point 662 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: she's refusing to resign. There is a divorce that's starting 663 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: to happen. Rob Forrest seems to be out of the 664 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: public eye and Nancy. Sergeant Forest did release a statement 665 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: through his attorney. I'll read it. For over thirty one years, 666 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: I've been honored to serve in the Metropolitan nash Ill 667 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: Police Department. I devoted fourteen years of that time supervising 668 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: the Mayor's protective detail during three administrations. I deeply regret 669 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: that my professional relationship with Mayor Barry turned into a 670 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: personal one. This has caused great pain for my wife, 671 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: my family, friends, and colleagues. At no time did I 672 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: ever violate my oath as a police officer or engage 673 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: in actions that would abuse the public trust. I have 674 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: recently retired from the police department. I hope that the 675 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: media and public respect my privacy and that of my 676 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: family as I seek to rebuild the trust of the 677 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: ones I love the most. That's where it stands. It's 678 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: and Nashville is embarrassed at this point. Well, here's the 679 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: other thing. Men do it all the time, and they 680 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: get away with it, and they continue successful political careers 681 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: and all sorts of careers. I'm not saying that's a 682 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: good thing. But is she being more persecuted because she's 683 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: a woman or does it have to do with the 684 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: over time and stealing from the taxpayers. That's the big question, 685 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: and that is a question that that I will say 686 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: Nashville voters, that's what they care about. They honestly don't 687 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 1: care about the sex. Now listen to what the mayor 688 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: tells Nashville News Channel five. Were all of those legitimate 689 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: business trips, absolutely every single one of them. And if 690 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: it hadn't been Sergeant Forest, who would have been traveling 691 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: with me as detail, there would have been other detail 692 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: and traveling with me the details. Security policy is set 693 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: by the police department and they they say I have 694 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: to travel with security. Some people will look at that 695 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: and say that taxpayers are paying for this relationship. What 696 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: would you say to them? And when I think, what 697 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: this reflects is again the policy that the police have 698 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: about making sure that when I'm working that I have 699 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: detail and uh, and I don't think it's a secret 700 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: that I do work a lot and I do have 701 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: a pretty aggressive schedule was he getting paid by taxpayer 702 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: at any point when you were having your personal time? 703 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: How can taxpayers know that all of that overtime was 704 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: completely legitimate. I think that the records will show if 705 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: you look at my schedule versus his overtime, you will 706 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: see that my schedule reflects that I was out there working. 707 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: When it comes to the city in Nashville, you we're 708 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: sergeant for his boss. Why did you not say at 709 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: some point, if I'm going to have this relationship, he 710 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 1: needs to be removed from my detail. That was a 711 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: mistake and I should have so that was a failure 712 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: as the mayor. That was a failure from a personal 713 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: perspective to say, you know, this is something that's happening 714 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: and I should I should remedy this. What I should 715 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 1: have done is not remedied and being a part of 716 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: my security detail, whether or not I should have owned 717 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: up and not had the affair Nancy Grace Crime Stories, 718 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,