WEBVTT - Live Q&A with Edd Hedges

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, wisecrack, it's your host and producer Jody. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of curious listeners have been reaching out to me and

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<v Speaker 1>asking for a chance to ask questions to Ed. He's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty responsive on Instagram, so feel free to shoot your shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Give it a try.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Meantime, we have two live Q and A sessions with

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<v Speaker 1>audiences after Ed performed his set. We recorded one in

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta and one in Denver from Crime Con twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>So perhaps some of these questions that are being asked

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<v Speaker 1>today are the burning ones that you may have as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy this bonus Q and A episode and as always,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Fronce a.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you in Edinburgh.

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<v Speaker 5>When I did the show, there were like a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of questions and I had to come up with like

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<v Speaker 5>a tenplay email to people and I know that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it was like it was like if you want to

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<v Speaker 5>know something and you don't want to just sit there

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<v Speaker 5>and be like what happened and what about this?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand this.

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<v Speaker 5>So what we're gonna do is we're gonna throw open

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<v Speaker 5>the question. If you don't have We're gonna do a

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<v Speaker 5>question on answers. Basically, if you don't have a question.

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<v Speaker 5>If it goes silent and no one's got a question,

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<v Speaker 5>why not, I don't care, right, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna get drunk. I've done it.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, you've got your thing by h But we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to do a question and answer and if you've got

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<v Speaker 5>anything you want to ask it all, please speak.

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<v Speaker 4>There'll be a microphone coming around.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm want to invite Jodie back to the stage because

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<v Speaker 5>she's like my brains this week, so to do a part.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's got a question?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's a lot of thoughts.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, so how did your parents know that, like danger

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<v Speaker 6>was afoot when there was knocking?

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<v Speaker 5>So I think the answer that really is when the

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<v Speaker 5>banging started. When my dad was at the front window,

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<v Speaker 5>he looked down and he saw who was outside. And

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to go into a lot of gruesome detail,

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<v Speaker 5>but if you stab two people that many times with

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<v Speaker 5>seven different knives, you don't look clean. And that's what

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<v Speaker 5>my dad saw. But yeah, I think that's it. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just very apparent. So yeah, thanks for the question, thank you.

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<v Speaker 7>What business is your mom working in now?

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<v Speaker 4>What business is my mum working in? Now? She's an

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<v Speaker 4>exotic game dealer.

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<v Speaker 8>Did you imagine that would be a well good show,

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<v Speaker 8>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Mom's got a tiger. No, she's lost her arm.

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<v Speaker 9>No.

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<v Speaker 5>Mom manages a little shop in near our village. She

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<v Speaker 5>sells like postcards and stuff. She loves it.

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<v Speaker 4>She still plays. She still plays Farmville actually.

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<v Speaker 5>Fun fact, and now how along we've got time to

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<v Speaker 5>go into something cool. My dad went mad because my

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<v Speaker 5>mom spent like two grand of human real money on Farmville.

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<v Speaker 6>Corn.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, what have you done?

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<v Speaker 5>And she was like, my flowers were dry? And you've

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<v Speaker 5>spoken to Carol, haven't you, Jody?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Carol's a real one.

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<v Speaker 4>Did the windows come with some kind of insurance plan?

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<v Speaker 4>They did?

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<v Speaker 5>They did, And you know what, the windows did very well.

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<v Speaker 5>But the thing about the Titan seventeen was they were

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<v Speaker 5>so thick they didn't let light in or out, so

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<v Speaker 5>it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Just another wall. Like my dad basically put up some

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<v Speaker 4>gray wall and was.

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<v Speaker 10>Like, banging, nailed it, well done, John.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, thank you so much for coming to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 11>Also, does anyone know what happened to your dad's fingers?

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<v Speaker 4>Where are we at with?

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<v Speaker 11>All? Right?

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<v Speaker 5>It's grewsome When he was like fourteen he was working

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<v Speaker 5>on a sawmill that his father used to force him

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<v Speaker 5>to work on didn't get to go to school. He

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<v Speaker 5>turned off a saw and his like some kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like bracy thing got caught in the sill as this

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<v Speaker 5>big sword like massive saws.

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<v Speaker 4>The saw was slowing down and his brace got caught

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<v Speaker 4>in it.

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<v Speaker 5>So my dad put his hand in to take the

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<v Speaker 5>brace out, and the teeth didn't cut. They dug into

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<v Speaker 5>the knuckles and ripped his tendons and stuff out of

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<v Speaker 5>his arm, and then when he went to.

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<v Speaker 4>Put his other hand in, it just clucks. The knuckle clucked.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I clugged the knuckle off and yeah, so

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<v Speaker 5>it cut. But he was really lucky because the like

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<v Speaker 5>one of the leading surgeons in Europe was in Harlow Hospital,

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<v Speaker 5>which is quite near us, and my uncle had to

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<v Speaker 5>use garden cables to tornique both his arms drive him

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<v Speaker 5>to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>And what they did was they.

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<v Speaker 5>I heard some yet, yeah, it's not gonna be a

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<v Speaker 5>nice cut in your fingers off story. So he lost

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<v Speaker 5>all of these fingers. The saw went down there and

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<v Speaker 5>then up, so it split his hand. But they attached

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<v Speaker 5>these three fingers back on. This is gone and they

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<v Speaker 5>used the knuckles of the cut off fingers and they

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<v Speaker 5>implanted them in this thing. So now his hand kind

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<v Speaker 5>of looks like that. This here is like a knuckle

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<v Speaker 5>that's gone. And on this hand here, this finger is

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<v Speaker 5>just like such a neat cut, like this is messed up.

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<v Speaker 5>And then this one's just like, oh, I'm gone, it's

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<v Speaker 5>really weirding like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 11>I have two questions, sure, okay, first one being I

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<v Speaker 11>know that she saw you at a set and that

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<v Speaker 11>was kind of like the introduction. Correct, So what was

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<v Speaker 11>your first reaction to a podcast kind of like the

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<v Speaker 11>idea of it coming to you, and like, how do

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<v Speaker 11>you react to that?

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<v Speaker 4>I loved the idea. I thought it was a great idea.

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 5>Podcasts are really awesome ways to tell stories at the

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<v Speaker 5>moment and it lets listeners follow along. And this is

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<v Speaker 5>a story where people are gonna want to deep dive.

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<v Speaker 5>This hour show is fine, but other people aren't going

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<v Speaker 5>to get a Q and a section. And when we

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<v Speaker 5>dig deeper into that, I know there's things about this

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<v Speaker 5>case that I don't know that you do know, which

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<v Speaker 5>kills me every day, and like occasionally it's Joji will

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<v Speaker 5>smile at me and I'll be like, what is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it mafia? But yeah, I think I think podcasting

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<v Speaker 5>is a really really exciting thing to do. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>a bit of a plug, but I'm really happy with

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<v Speaker 5>doing it with Tenderfoot because there's been nothing but awesome

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<v Speaker 5>to us and supportive and giving us great guidance, and

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<v Speaker 5>Jody and Charles have been wonderful. So I'm extremely lucky

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<v Speaker 5>to be doing it.

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<v Speaker 11>So yeah, So okay, My second question is if you

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<v Speaker 11>still keep in contact with your cousin Jasper.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Jasper. Jasper got all his money taken off him

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<v Speaker 5>by someone like like rinsed, right, and then he moved

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<v Speaker 5>to Peru like he's Paddington and.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is it. That's all our family know.

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<v Speaker 5>Like people at family weddings will be like, oh, Jasper improved,

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, can we look into that somehow, because

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<v Speaker 5>how do you lose all your money and be like

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<v Speaker 5>on a plane. I need to be on a plane, right,

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, he got scammed, he got rinsed, and now

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Teaches yoga or something. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to that's the next podcast, like Finding

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<v Speaker 5>Jasper and he's still wearing that suit, but he's grown

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<v Speaker 5>like the whole.

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<v Speaker 4>Good question. Hi there, thank you for such a great set. English.

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<v Speaker 4>I am, yes, yeah, we're from bud Where are you from?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh near Birmingham, Tamworth near Birmingham. Sorry here man, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, my parents beat the accent out of us. But

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<v Speaker 12>my question was, so, this is your premiere in the US.

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<v Speaker 12>Do you have to go did you have to go

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<v Speaker 12>and figure out because obviously there's a lot of terminology

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<v Speaker 12>and a lot of things specific to the US that

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<v Speaker 12>you asked you have to go back through your set

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<v Speaker 12>and figure out exactly how you're gonna change that for

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<v Speaker 12>this and how do you go back.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good question, man, that's a really good question.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for asking it.

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<v Speaker 5>I called windows double glazing last night and I got

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<v Speaker 5>stared down right.

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<v Speaker 4>The people just looked at me and were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>he's had a stroke. It was weird. Dodgems, bumper cars,

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<v Speaker 4>that little thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, that's that's because I said Dodgems to you

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<v Speaker 5>and you were like, what what know?

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<v Speaker 4>Also, I've been calling jerky bag mate.

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<v Speaker 10>That's because it's me that's in a bag, Like come on,

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<v Speaker 10>you don't jerk it.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't jerk it you put it in a bag.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks your question, dude. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 7>When you did your set in the Village, did you

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<v Speaker 7>do any material that was sort of bio autobiographical about

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<v Speaker 7>that time in your life that maybe set off or

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<v Speaker 7>in any that's something that you think about.

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<v Speaker 5>So that is a phenomenal question, sir. And whether he

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<v Speaker 5>was in the gig or not is something I've never considered.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think he was. My my my my my

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<v Speaker 5>thoughts is is that I wouldn't have really done. So

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<v Speaker 5>my normal stand up set isn't this. But no, I

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't have said anything that like majorly pissed them off.

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<v Speaker 5>Although I do have jokes about getting bullied and stuff

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<v Speaker 5>and being overweight and that little bit about the village

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<v Speaker 5>of the kids in the village. I've now done that

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<v Speaker 5>in other places, so it's kind of that theme. But

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not really the most like abrasive comedian in the world, am.

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<v Speaker 13>I Thank you for sharing. As someone from a small town,

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<v Speaker 13>is there things like looking back now as an adult

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<v Speaker 13>in dealing with you know, sort of this story and everything,

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<v Speaker 13>Are there things that you look back and like there

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<v Speaker 13>was traumatic as a child, but now you're like that

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<v Speaker 13>was actually kind of funny, or there were funny characters

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<v Speaker 13>in my village for that sort of thing. Are there

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<v Speaker 13>things that like sort of inspire you now from looking back?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, one percent. Yeah, it does all change with time.

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<v Speaker 5>I think at them at the point it happens, it's

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<v Speaker 5>super try and I think this is kind of universal.

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<v Speaker 5>But when you look back on it, it's not as

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<v Speaker 5>bad as it's not that. It's more that I can

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<v Speaker 5>look at it through a different lens of being really

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<v Speaker 5>happy having friends now. But another thing I should say

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<v Speaker 5>is that when it was all happening to me, I

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<v Speaker 5>was the happiest kid in the world. Like it wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>like I was this depressed kid walking around getting bullied.

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<v Speaker 4>I was super happy.

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<v Speaker 5>It just became a normality in my life that I

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<v Speaker 5>was getting bullied.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't super smart.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why you know this stuff is weird is because

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<v Speaker 5>up until I was probably about eighteen, you lot and

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<v Speaker 5>doing this was alien to me because I didn't think

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<v Speaker 5>I would ever talk in front of people.

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<v Speaker 4>This was my idea of how I missed out a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of school.

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't read or write until I was like thirteen,

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<v Speaker 5>So being a writer writing a show that stuff mad,

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I was a happy kid and I look

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<v Speaker 5>back on it and it was it was a childhood

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<v Speaker 5>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>Just sorry, it's a bit long winded.

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<v Speaker 5>I've spoken to a lot of people about this, and

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of people are like, oh, my childhood was X,

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<v Speaker 5>my childhood was why. I think all childhoods, to a

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<v Speaker 5>different degree fucked right. Like we're tiny people being forced

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<v Speaker 5>to live with emotionally unstable parents, and we're like, why

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<v Speaker 5>didn't it look like the movies? Because it doesn't. It

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<v Speaker 5>just doesn't everything. We're all just screaming towards oblivion.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just tell. But also, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, I think if you if you are it's a

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<v Speaker 5>bit corny, But if you're happy with who you are

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<v Speaker 5>now and you're happy with the progres you're making, and

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<v Speaker 5>the things that happened to you before you got to

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<v Speaker 5>where you are were necessary to create the person you are,

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<v Speaker 5>That's where I'm at.

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<v Speaker 4>M Joda, how did this find of start?

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously you saw a great set.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw a great set, did a little research

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<v Speaker 1>called ed. It has been really hard getting people to

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<v Speaker 1>open up to me. For all the producer people in here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a challenge getting people to respond because everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>so lovely, but they also do not want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this for obvious reasons. It's a small town. And now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, has anything like this ever happened in your

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<v Speaker 1>town before?

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<v Speaker 11>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah, it's unique, yeah, completely unique.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, thank you both for making that. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks man.

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<v Speaker 5>And also I should probably say, is it worth mentioning

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<v Speaker 5>that we've got.

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<v Speaker 4>Pete?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh absolutely so just so you guys know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Surviving Biological Fire is on board with our podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually he's he's kind of cut from the same cloth

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<v Speaker 1>as as John Ed's dad, but after all this has

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<v Speaker 1>happened to him, he was just like, listen, my therapist

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<v Speaker 1>said that I need to talk about this, and it

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<v Speaker 1>helps me talk about it when I talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's collaborating with us. So we have the

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<v Speaker 1>permission of the Shurviving family, and I think it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's you wouldn't normally be that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>guy that you would expect to be like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to it about a stranger, random American stranger.

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<v Speaker 2>So and he's been.

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<v Speaker 14>Super cooperative and super collaborative yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 14>get the ones back here, We'll come back to you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of Rouayne, how did you live? How do I

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<v Speaker 4>get your mom's diapills?

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't, No, it was I was about to make

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<v Speaker 5>a drug stoke, but I don't think this is the

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<v Speaker 5>room to do it was not It was not the

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<v Speaker 5>dia pills. It was literally carry deficit jogging and I

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<v Speaker 5>drank goat's blood so.

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<v Speaker 4>I did it all. No, but yeah, just jogging. My sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a good answer, is it.

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<v Speaker 5>People people always want to be like the people ask

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<v Speaker 5>that question. They want you to be like there's a rock,

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<v Speaker 5>oh mate, But people really want there to be a thing.

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<v Speaker 5>They want you to be like there's a rock in Scotland.

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<v Speaker 5>Whisper your secrets into it and you'll get thin.

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<v Speaker 15>Nah.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like literally every day listening to Beyonce hitting the.

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<v Speaker 5>Ground and I ate a lot of kale.

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<v Speaker 4>Was it worth it?

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<v Speaker 12>No?

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<v Speaker 4>I should have just stayed chunky. I was happier then

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<v Speaker 4>in the back and that was really funny. Thanks a

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<v Speaker 4>great story, cheers. One of my favorite things is like

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<v Speaker 4>British slang first American. Oh yeah, was it really.

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<v Speaker 3>Called dodge em?

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<v Speaker 16>Ye?

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<v Speaker 4>Called dodge. Is there any more anymore? Who wanted? You get.

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<v Speaker 13>What I love?

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<v Speaker 4>We talk it?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so it's a nuts fan is so good. We

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<v Speaker 5>had it three days in a row, didn't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna put it in his coffee tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>And then on the fourth day you were like, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>we shouldn't keep eating case of it? And I was like, what,

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<v Speaker 5>so dodgems have I said anything? Oh, I haven't got

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<v Speaker 5>any like fair ground things, soffare aren't as good as you,

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<v Speaker 5>good as yours. But I haven't been in a word

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<v Speaker 5>for some stuff over here. I've learned some words the sugars.

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<v Speaker 5>I find delightful way to someone having the sugars instead

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<v Speaker 5>of diabetes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, oh.

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<v Speaker 5>My gosh, you guys kind of had to fund that

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<v Speaker 5>one up because there's a bit of a thing going around,

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<v Speaker 5>but like, yeah, And I called my mom and I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, you never guess what they call it, like diabetes?

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<v Speaker 4>And what I was like, they call it the sugars.

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<v Speaker 5>And my mom like paust for a second, she was like,

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<v Speaker 5>all your aunties have the sugars.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's been nothing but fun though.

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<v Speaker 16>Right, I've had the pleasure of actually hearing your story

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<v Speaker 16>before ed and I just want you to know, no way.

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<v Speaker 4>We're watching you where where were where in.

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<v Speaker 16>Audio format a while ago. I just want you to

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<v Speaker 16>watching you perform it in person is incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>It's moving.

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<v Speaker 16>It was amazing and just on behalf of everybody here.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thanks, thank you very much. That's a lovely

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<v Speaker 4>thing to say. Oh that's coolzy, thank you.

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<v Speaker 15>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>I was normally a walk off at this point, but

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<v Speaker 5>I know what you animals are like, You've got questions.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're going to do a Q and A please

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<v Speaker 5>if you wouldn't mind, could you welcome back to the stage.

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<v Speaker 5>Is Jody today, Vince and j D.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, ram Con what show?

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<v Speaker 4>Let me show?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I'm going to kick this off.

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<v Speaker 17>You know, this is the second time I've seen the show,

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<v Speaker 17>and I was moved each time. But my background, I'm

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<v Speaker 17>a homicide detective.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, the.

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<v Speaker 17>Only person that survived this massacre was Brett, so my

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<v Speaker 17>mind goes straight to the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to hear some details what that was. Brett

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<v Speaker 3>was the only one that walked away from that A lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I think you know what's interesting here is

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<v Speaker 1>that I think as Americans were all very familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>gun crime, which is very fast and quick. This was

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<v Speaker 1>not that situation at all that night in July.

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<v Speaker 2>It was protracted.

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<v Speaker 1>Across three hours, and Jillian and David were obviously killed.

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<v Speaker 15>They were.

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<v Speaker 1>It was terrible because they only used they were only

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<v Speaker 1>using kitchen knives, that's what Brett used. So there were

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<v Speaker 1>seven knives recovered from the crime scene. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>blades have fallen off. I mean, they were like steak knives,

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<v Speaker 1>what you've used in your house. And it was essentially

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<v Speaker 1>protracted torture across three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>They both had been drinking. It was a very bloody

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<v Speaker 2>scene as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they're blood, so there was blood upstairs and downstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that the one of the Cornish.

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<v Speaker 2>Reports was very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They had found gashes on the inside of Gillian's hand

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<v Speaker 1>which were used as defense rooms to stop the stabbings.

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<v Speaker 1>So we you know, it was particularly slow and protracted,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure as a detective you're sitting there thinking

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<v Speaker 1>all of the possibilities of what happened. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>something to note is that one thing that we explore

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<v Speaker 1>in the podcast, and I hope that you guys will listen,

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<v Speaker 1>is how what a close call. It was, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you heard Ed say that that.

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<v Speaker 2>They live next door to each other. I guess not

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<v Speaker 2>right next door to each other, like.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple of doors. Maybe I can see his house

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<v Speaker 4>from mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a common space that they share, like a

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<v Speaker 1>green between their houses. And Brett was picked up in

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<v Speaker 1>that space, in the alley between Brett and Ed's home.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was such a close call.

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<v Speaker 1>Brett called nine to ninety nine, which is emergency services

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<v Speaker 1>in England on himself twice.

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<v Speaker 2>The first call was dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>The second call made it through. He hung up the

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<v Speaker 1>phone and it was outside. He called because he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get a signal, and in that small window of time

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<v Speaker 1>is the moment that Ed came back home from the gig.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very close call.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's certainly something to note and things

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<v Speaker 1>that we talk about in the podcast, but just a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things for I think the super fans to note.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of very interesting things. And I again,

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<v Speaker 1>as a good producer, we only operate in facts here.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the crime scene there were also two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty pounds in twenty pound notes that were found

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<v Speaker 1>in the garbage can. A pair of women's animal print underwear,

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<v Speaker 1>and at some time across those three hours, Brett had

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<v Speaker 1>written a note of sorts and the words I love

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<v Speaker 1>and much were written over and over again on a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of paper and then torn into a hundred pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were then reassembled and used in the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>So there were a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Very interesting, strange things. But you're right, it happened in

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<v Speaker 1>four walls, and Brett's the only one that knows what happened.

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<v Speaker 18>So Jody, as a social worker, I'm very interested in

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<v Speaker 18>Brent's mental state when he interacts with law enforcement outside

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<v Speaker 18>of his home. What is his mental state and does

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<v Speaker 18>he immediately confess to this crime?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's really interesting after so law enforcement, they

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<v Speaker 1>were the first person, a single officer actually found them

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<v Speaker 1>right in the alley between Edinburgh's home. He was found

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<v Speaker 1>laughing in the alley. This was right around midnight. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though he had changed, he was still covered in blood

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<v Speaker 1>because it was such a bloody crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>He just couldn't get away from it.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a plastic carrier bag that he was holding

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<v Speaker 1>like a grocery bag, which ended up being a part

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<v Speaker 1>of his alibi.

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<v Speaker 2>But he never said a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He basically went mute the moment the police picked him up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the only time that he spoke was during

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<v Speaker 1>his trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Which he pled not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard, you know, it's always hard to speculate

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<v Speaker 1>on mental state.

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<v Speaker 2>Covered in blood, laughing, holding a shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>Bag, he asked to go to McDonald's as well on

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<v Speaker 1>the way to the police station. I think you can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get a general sense of where he was

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally at that point.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's so, you know, looking at this

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<v Speaker 17>thing from the outside and as a detective, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 17>I have a million questions going through my head, like

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<v Speaker 17>I want to ask I add some questions, But you know,

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<v Speaker 17>one of the things that is compelling to me is,

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<v Speaker 17>and I'm not sure in England if this is necessary

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<v Speaker 17>for successful prosecution, and some states don't require this, year

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<v Speaker 17>is the why so the state that I come from, Uh,

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<v Speaker 17>we don't have to prove motive, but as a detective,

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<v Speaker 17>motive helps you understand what happened and helps you properly

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<v Speaker 17>investigate the case.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm really interested to.

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<v Speaker 17>Understand through the trial what may have come surfaced at

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<v Speaker 17>explain what his motivation was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was interesting, So one of the things that they

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution tried to do or so excuse me, the

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<v Speaker 1>defense is that they would do a medical examination. There

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<v Speaker 1>were lots of opportunities for him to be declared essentially insane.

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<v Speaker 1>They were unable to prove that he was insane or

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<v Speaker 1>mentally incapacitated during the time that he committed the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just something I think that was kind of fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only time that he ever spoke during that

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<v Speaker 1>trial was to say that he was out at the shops,

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<v Speaker 1>he came back and he came upon the crime scene,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than having been what the truth was that he

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<v Speaker 1>committed those acts. The trials nuts he popped off in

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<v Speaker 1>court at some point he started to attack violently the

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<v Speaker 1>dock officers that had to restrain him.

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<v Speaker 2>His dad had to jump up and help.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess he spoke twice, his outburst and then

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<v Speaker 1>his defense. But after that it was a very short trial.

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<v Speaker 1>It was less than two weeks, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>jury delivered the verdict within one day, and which of

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<v Speaker 1>course was guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 17>So, Jimmie, this like in your field as a not

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<v Speaker 17>a health professional, like you know, were there signs before this,

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<v Speaker 17>like obviously he was a bully. You know, that's a

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<v Speaker 17>sign it experienced that to his childhood. What other science

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<v Speaker 17>could have been present that people may have picked up on, Well.

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<v Speaker 18>There's so many signs. And working on Wisecrack, I also

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<v Speaker 18>realized how different the systems are compared to the United States.

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<v Speaker 18>And I think that there were times when they did

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<v Speaker 18>try to declare him mentally, you know, incopacitated or not

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<v Speaker 18>able to stand trial, but the fact that that never happened,

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<v Speaker 18>and then he then attacked someone at trial says we

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<v Speaker 18>don't know much about his family situation. You've got to

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<v Speaker 18>listen to the podcast little Plug there there's a lot

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<v Speaker 18>of great information. The team dug deep into all the

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<v Speaker 18>records from the family to the criminal justice, and I

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<v Speaker 18>think that that will tell you a lot of the

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<v Speaker 18>information that you want to know. But the reality is

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<v Speaker 18>there's a lot of things that we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very well put, very well put.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Ques, just some questions going here from you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi.

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<v Speaker 19>I had a question over here, so I guess, as

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<v Speaker 19>Jamie had mentioned, you know, seeing the differences between what

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<v Speaker 19>I guess, how mental health is viewed or taken care of. There,

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<v Speaker 19>I was just curious ed what have you done for

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<v Speaker 19>yourself regarding this trauma? And you know when you said

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<v Speaker 19>that you just went back to sleep. I think it

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<v Speaker 19>was just that adrenaline just kind of your body just

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<v Speaker 19>shut down. I was just curious what you've done for

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<v Speaker 19>yourself to take care of your mental with everything that's

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<v Speaker 19>happened over the last ten years, besides doing this right,

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<v Speaker 19>this catharsism.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wondering about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a good question to Initially, all I did.

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<v Speaker 5>Was try and figure out how to tell this story

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<v Speaker 5>to an audience for the first I would say four years,

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:19.360
<v Speaker 5>which is was not was not healthy. Jodie keeps telling

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 5>me it wasn't healthy. Apparently, like therapy is great. I've

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 5>started doing therapy, so that therapy is good. Here's a

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<v Speaker 5>little can I can I talk a little bit more?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you guys have to go to bed? You're right cool.

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<v Speaker 5>The weird thing about my therapist is he really he

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<v Speaker 5>really wants to know more about the story, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>drip feeding it to him because I'm so self conscious

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<v Speaker 5>that he's going to lose interest in me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, and then someone was at the door.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll tell you more next time, and He's like, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm really I'm really dick teasing my therapist with this.

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<v Speaker 8>We've been talking for like a year and he's he's

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<v Speaker 8>at the bit where I'm through the coconat through the window.

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<v Speaker 4>He's desperate. His name is Simon. He sounds like they

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<v Speaker 4>were through.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank someone in the front like not being state side.

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<v Speaker 18>Does this change your views at all on home self defense?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so, Uh, it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the issue here was something like this wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>have happened in a city because in a city you

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<v Speaker 5>are conscious of your safety more until so in England

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<v Speaker 5>we have scoring systems for streets on the crime like

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 5>safety of it. He goes from one to five. The

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 5>street I lived on until this day was a zero.

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<v Speaker 5>There had never been a crime on the street. Not

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of people live there. I mean, you've been there,

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 5>haven't you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's lovely, it looks like Hogwarts like it's very pretty.

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<v Speaker 5>But now I would I would say my parents kind

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<v Speaker 5>of got a wake up call and they still live

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 5>in the house and the street and the village is

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<v Speaker 5>not the saying when we went to the village, you're here.

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<v Speaker 5>On the podcast, we tried to talk to people about this.

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<v Speaker 5>We got kicked out of two pubs for mentioning it.

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<v Speaker 5>The village are think of hot fuzzz, Like that's the

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 5>stuff we're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 4>I think lock your door in it. Just lock your

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 4>back door, mate, lock your back door. Don't answer it.

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 4>The windows were fine, but yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they were very careless before, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>this made their world a lot less safe and a

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<v Speaker 5>lot more big.

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<v Speaker 4>And my parents are different now.

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<v Speaker 9>First, thank you very much for sharing your story, and

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<v Speaker 9>then mine is kind of a two part. Sure, you

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<v Speaker 9>said it happened really quickly. Do you have an idea

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<v Speaker 9>of how long it was between this happening and the

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 9>police getting there? And then who called the police? Because

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 9>when you called, they already knew about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's a great question. In my head.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have hard facts for you, because it felt

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<v Speaker 5>like half an hour. Looking back at it, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>am I right to say like ten minutes? Maybe tops?

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<v Speaker 4>Ten minutes tops? Who called the police?

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<v Speaker 5>Fucking everyone everyone on the street called the police, because

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 5>the second you see a guy outside banging on a

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 5>door having in blood, you're like, I know, who'd love to.

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 4>Hear about this? It's the five. Oh, they want to

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 4>find out.

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 5>So I think the police were called by every single

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 5>person on our street next door to Brett's house. I

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 5>think in the struggle of what happened, they would have

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 5>been screaming. That would have been noise. So I think

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 5>the next door neighbors called the police. The problem is

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 5>I live.

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<v Speaker 4>In a very rural area of England.

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<v Speaker 5>The police response rate is terrible because we've got one

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 5>countryside police officer and he drives around in a pickup

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 5>and every now and then someone's like goes through my

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 5>garden and it's washing and like nothing bad happens. So

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 5>on this occasion they had to am I right and

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 5>said there to draft police in from a different town,

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 5>and we didn't have a chopper on hand, so that

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<v Speaker 5>was new.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 15>So Ed, I'm a person who unfortunately also has had

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 15>multiple murders in my family, and I just want to

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 15>say that first of all, it's not your fault. There's

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 15>nothing you could have done to prevent any of that happening.

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 15>And also I just want to say that it is

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<v Speaker 15>possible to heal, to move on and to have a

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 15>happy life, and I just want to encourage you to

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 15>continue with whatever healing that you are doing because I

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<v Speaker 15>can attest what you just said.

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Is really true.

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 15>There is nobody who can empathize or understand with what

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 15>you've been through. It is a singular experience. It is

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 15>something that feels really lonely. But again, I just want

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 15>to encourage you because I never thought I was going

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 15>to come through what I came through, and it's possible.

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<v Speaker 15>You can heal, you can move on, and I'm grateful

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 15>for you sharing your story tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I have a comment on to that you're one

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 4>hundred pers of self blame? Thing is real?

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<v Speaker 5>Like that is rough and the fact that there were

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 5>pictures of my face all over the like village that

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 5>was that was a difficult thing to deal with.

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<v Speaker 4>It kind of touched on the question the answer it before.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like a day by day, case by case thing

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 5>and it's learning that no emotion is not allowed and

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 5>there's no normal.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. I have a follow up a question.

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<v Speaker 17>In your in your set, he was your bully. Yeah,

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 17>you know we've all well, I don't know if everyone

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 17>has that.

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 3>I've experienced it.

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<v Speaker 17>That's a long time. I have a question when it

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 17>comes to like the like the psychology of this suspect.

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<v Speaker 17>Did you ever experience him having a violent episode with

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<v Speaker 17>anybody else growing up other than a normal perhaps you know,

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 17>pushing each shoven anything that was some area of concern

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 17>for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so he so Brett played football soccer to a

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 5>really high level, and he was was often talked about

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 5>that he was very very good. But in football you

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 5>get like a red card if you do something really bad.

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 5>And his managers were quite annoyed with him regularly. That

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 5>he kept getting sent off for doing dumb shit, is

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 5>how I would describe it. Someone would trip him and

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 5>he would go in with like a throat punch. I

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 5>don't know if he did throw punch anyone, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Right there we go.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, thank you for telling your story. Just one quick question.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm over here, sorry, Thank you so much for telling

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 6>your story. Just a quick question. At the end, you

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<v Speaker 6>said that he was diagnosed with like ADHD in dyslexia

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 6>and it was felt very similar to your story. Was

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 6>that a proven diagnosis or was said something he said

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 6>to kind of you know, mimic you, although he was

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 6>really just a bully and just I was just wondering

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 6>and curious.

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 2>That is a real diagnosis.

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>We do speak to Bred's father in the podcast as well.

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>He has a lot of interesting opinions about his own

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>son's health and also how the system has failed him.

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But that is an actual diagnosis, and I think it's

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>funny you see similar diagnoses and two sides of the

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>same coin. Yeah, very different approaches and lives. So thank

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you so much for your question.

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<v Speaker 17>Think all right, let's give it up with Jody and

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<v Speaker 17>durs was