Speaker 1: Hey, wisecrack, it's your host and producer Jody. A lot
Speaker 1: of curious listeners have been reaching out to me and
Speaker 1: asking for a chance to ask questions to Ed. He's
Speaker 1: pretty responsive on Instagram, so feel free to shoot your shot.
Speaker 1: Give it a try.
Speaker 2: But in the.
Speaker 1: Meantime, we have two live Q and A sessions with
Speaker 1: audiences after Ed performed his set. We recorded one in
Speaker 1: Atlanta and one in Denver from Crime Con twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: So perhaps some of these questions that are being asked
Speaker 1: today are the burning ones that you may have as well.
Speaker 1: Enjoy this bonus Q and A episode and as always,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening.
Speaker 3: Fronce a.
Speaker 4: Thank you in Edinburgh.
Speaker 5: When I did the show, there were like a lot
Speaker 5: of questions and I had to come up with like
Speaker 5: a tenplay email to people and I know that, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was like it was like if you want to
Speaker 5: know something and you don't want to just sit there
Speaker 5: and be like what happened and what about this?
Speaker 4: I don't understand this.
Speaker 5: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna throw open
Speaker 5: the question. If you don't have We're gonna do a
Speaker 5: question on answers. Basically, if you don't have a question.
Speaker 5: If it goes silent and no one's got a question,
Speaker 5: why not, I don't care, right, I don't care.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get drunk. I've done it.
Speaker 5: Now, you've got your thing by h But we're going
Speaker 5: to do a question and answer and if you've got
Speaker 5: anything you want to ask it all, please speak.
Speaker 4: There'll be a microphone coming around.
Speaker 5: I'm want to invite Jodie back to the stage because
Speaker 5: she's like my brains this week, so to do a part.
Speaker 4: Who's got a question?
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 6: Okay, so how did your parents know that, like danger
Speaker 6: was afoot when there was knocking?
Speaker 5: So I think the answer that really is when the
Speaker 5: banging started. When my dad was at the front window,
Speaker 5: he looked down and he saw who was outside. And
Speaker 5: I don't want to go into a lot of gruesome detail,
Speaker 5: but if you stab two people that many times with
Speaker 5: seven different knives, you don't look clean. And that's what
Speaker 5: my dad saw. But yeah, I think that's it. It's
Speaker 5: just very apparent. So yeah, thanks for the question, thank you.
Speaker 7: What business is your mom working in now?
Speaker 4: What business is my mum working in? Now? She's an
Speaker 4: exotic game dealer.
Speaker 8: Did you imagine that would be a well good show,
Speaker 8: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Mom's got a tiger. No, she's lost her arm.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 5: Mom manages a little shop in near our village. She
Speaker 5: sells like postcards and stuff. She loves it.
Speaker 4: She still plays. She still plays Farmville actually.
Speaker 5: Fun fact, and now how along we've got time to
Speaker 5: go into something cool. My dad went mad because my
Speaker 5: mom spent like two grand of human real money on Farmville.
Speaker 6: Corn.
Speaker 4: I was like, what have you done?
Speaker 5: And she was like, my flowers were dry? And you've
Speaker 5: spoken to Carol, haven't you, Jody?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Carol's a real one.
Speaker 4: Did the windows come with some kind of insurance plan?
Speaker 4: They did?
Speaker 5: They did, And you know what, the windows did very well.
Speaker 5: But the thing about the Titan seventeen was they were
Speaker 5: so thick they didn't let light in or out, so
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 4: Just another wall. Like my dad basically put up some
Speaker 4: gray wall and was.
Speaker 10: Like, banging, nailed it, well done, John.
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much for coming to Atlanta.
Speaker 11: Also, does anyone know what happened to your dad's fingers?
Speaker 4: Where are we at with?
Speaker 11: All? Right?
Speaker 5: It's grewsome When he was like fourteen he was working
Speaker 5: on a sawmill that his father used to force him
Speaker 5: to work on didn't get to go to school. He
Speaker 5: turned off a saw and his like some kind of
Speaker 5: like bracy thing got caught in the sill as this
Speaker 5: big sword like massive saws.
Speaker 4: The saw was slowing down and his brace got caught
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 5: So my dad put his hand in to take the
Speaker 5: brace out, and the teeth didn't cut. They dug into
Speaker 5: the knuckles and ripped his tendons and stuff out of
Speaker 5: his arm, and then when he went to.
Speaker 4: Put his other hand in, it just clucks. The knuckle clucked.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I clugged the knuckle off and yeah, so
Speaker 5: it cut. But he was really lucky because the like
Speaker 5: one of the leading surgeons in Europe was in Harlow Hospital,
Speaker 5: which is quite near us, and my uncle had to
Speaker 5: use garden cables to tornique both his arms drive him
Speaker 5: to the hospital.
Speaker 4: And what they did was they.
Speaker 5: I heard some yet, yeah, it's not gonna be a
Speaker 5: nice cut in your fingers off story. So he lost
Speaker 5: all of these fingers. The saw went down there and
Speaker 5: then up, so it split his hand. But they attached
Speaker 5: these three fingers back on. This is gone and they
Speaker 5: used the knuckles of the cut off fingers and they
Speaker 5: implanted them in this thing. So now his hand kind
Speaker 5: of looks like that. This here is like a knuckle
Speaker 5: that's gone. And on this hand here, this finger is
Speaker 5: just like such a neat cut, like this is messed up.
Speaker 5: And then this one's just like, oh, I'm gone, it's
Speaker 5: really weirding like that.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 11: I have two questions, sure, okay, first one being I
Speaker 11: know that she saw you at a set and that
Speaker 11: was kind of like the introduction. Correct, So what was
Speaker 11: your first reaction to a podcast kind of like the
Speaker 11: idea of it coming to you, and like, how do
Speaker 11: you react to that?
Speaker 4: I loved the idea. I thought it was a great idea.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 5: Podcasts are really awesome ways to tell stories at the
Speaker 5: moment and it lets listeners follow along. And this is
Speaker 5: a story where people are gonna want to deep dive.
Speaker 5: This hour show is fine, but other people aren't going
Speaker 5: to get a Q and a section. And when we
Speaker 5: dig deeper into that, I know there's things about this
Speaker 5: case that I don't know that you do know, which
Speaker 5: kills me every day, and like occasionally it's Joji will
Speaker 5: smile at me and I'll be like, what is it?
Speaker 5: Is it mafia? But yeah, I think I think podcasting
Speaker 5: is a really really exciting thing to do. And I'm
Speaker 5: a bit of a plug, but I'm really happy with
Speaker 5: doing it with Tenderfoot because there's been nothing but awesome
Speaker 5: to us and supportive and giving us great guidance, and
Speaker 5: Jody and Charles have been wonderful. So I'm extremely lucky
Speaker 5: to be doing it.
Speaker 11: So yeah, So okay, My second question is if you
Speaker 11: still keep in contact with your cousin Jasper.
Speaker 5: Okay, Jasper. Jasper got all his money taken off him
Speaker 5: by someone like like rinsed, right, and then he moved
Speaker 5: to Peru like he's Paddington and.
Speaker 4: And that is it. That's all our family know.
Speaker 5: Like people at family weddings will be like, oh, Jasper improved,
Speaker 5: And I'm like, can we look into that somehow, because
Speaker 5: how do you lose all your money and be like
Speaker 5: on a plane. I need to be on a plane, right,
Speaker 5: But yeah, he got scammed, he got rinsed, and now
Speaker 5: I think he's maybe.
Speaker 4: Teaches yoga or something. It's weird.
Speaker 5: I would like to that's the next podcast, like Finding
Speaker 5: Jasper and he's still wearing that suit, but he's grown
Speaker 5: like the whole.
Speaker 4: Good question. Hi there, thank you for such a great set. English.
Speaker 4: I am, yes, yeah, we're from bud Where are you from?
Speaker 4: Uh near Birmingham, Tamworth near Birmingham. Sorry here man, Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, my parents beat the accent out of us. But
Speaker 12: my question was, so, this is your premiere in the US.
Speaker 12: Do you have to go did you have to go
Speaker 12: and figure out because obviously there's a lot of terminology
Speaker 12: and a lot of things specific to the US that
Speaker 12: you asked you have to go back through your set
Speaker 12: and figure out exactly how you're gonna change that for
Speaker 12: this and how do you go back.
Speaker 4: That's a good question, man, that's a really good question.
Speaker 4: Thanks for asking it.
Speaker 5: I called windows double glazing last night and I got
Speaker 5: stared down right.
Speaker 4: The people just looked at me and were like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's had a stroke. It was weird. Dodgems, bumper cars,
Speaker 4: that little thing.
Speaker 5: I said, that's that's because I said Dodgems to you
Speaker 5: and you were like, what what know?
Speaker 4: Also, I've been calling jerky bag mate.
Speaker 10: That's because it's me that's in a bag, Like come on,
Speaker 10: you don't jerk it.
Speaker 4: You don't jerk it you put it in a bag.
Speaker 4: Thanks your question, dude. Thank you.
Speaker 7: When you did your set in the Village, did you
Speaker 7: do any material that was sort of bio autobiographical about
Speaker 7: that time in your life that maybe set off or
Speaker 7: in any that's something that you think about.
Speaker 5: So that is a phenomenal question, sir. And whether he
Speaker 5: was in the gig or not is something I've never considered.
Speaker 5: I don't think he was. My my my my my
Speaker 5: thoughts is is that I wouldn't have really done. So
Speaker 5: my normal stand up set isn't this. But no, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't have said anything that like majorly pissed them off.
Speaker 5: Although I do have jokes about getting bullied and stuff
Speaker 5: and being overweight and that little bit about the village
Speaker 5: of the kids in the village. I've now done that
Speaker 5: in other places, so it's kind of that theme. But
Speaker 5: I'm not really the most like abrasive comedian in the world, am.
Speaker 13: I Thank you for sharing. As someone from a small town,
Speaker 13: is there things like looking back now as an adult
Speaker 13: in dealing with you know, sort of this story and everything,
Speaker 13: Are there things that you look back and like there
Speaker 13: was traumatic as a child, but now you're like that
Speaker 13: was actually kind of funny, or there were funny characters
Speaker 13: in my village for that sort of thing. Are there
Speaker 13: things that like sort of inspire you now from looking back?
Speaker 4: Yeah, one percent. Yeah, it does all change with time.
Speaker 5: I think at them at the point it happens, it's
Speaker 5: super try and I think this is kind of universal.
Speaker 5: But when you look back on it, it's not as
Speaker 5: bad as it's not that. It's more that I can
Speaker 5: look at it through a different lens of being really
Speaker 5: happy having friends now. But another thing I should say
Speaker 5: is that when it was all happening to me, I
Speaker 5: was the happiest kid in the world. Like it wasn't
Speaker 5: like I was this depressed kid walking around getting bullied.
Speaker 4: I was super happy.
Speaker 5: It just became a normality in my life that I
Speaker 5: was getting bullied.
Speaker 4: I wasn't super smart.
Speaker 5: That's why you know this stuff is weird is because
Speaker 5: up until I was probably about eighteen, you lot and
Speaker 5: doing this was alien to me because I didn't think
Speaker 5: I would ever talk in front of people.
Speaker 4: This was my idea of how I missed out a
Speaker 4: lot of school.
Speaker 5: I couldn't read or write until I was like thirteen,
Speaker 5: So being a writer writing a show that stuff mad,
Speaker 5: But yeah, I was a happy kid and I look
Speaker 5: back on it and it was it was a childhood
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: Just sorry, it's a bit long winded.
Speaker 5: I've spoken to a lot of people about this, and
Speaker 5: a lot of people are like, oh, my childhood was X,
Speaker 5: my childhood was why. I think all childhoods, to a
Speaker 5: different degree fucked right. Like we're tiny people being forced
Speaker 5: to live with emotionally unstable parents, and we're like, why
Speaker 5: didn't it look like the movies? Because it doesn't. It
Speaker 5: just doesn't everything. We're all just screaming towards oblivion.
Speaker 4: Let's just tell. But also, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I think if you if you are it's a
Speaker 5: bit corny, But if you're happy with who you are
Speaker 5: now and you're happy with the progres you're making, and
Speaker 5: the things that happened to you before you got to
Speaker 5: where you are were necessary to create the person you are,
Speaker 5: That's where I'm at.
Speaker 4: M Joda, how did this find of start?
Speaker 3: And obviously you saw a great set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a great set, did a little research
Speaker 1: called ed. It has been really hard getting people to
Speaker 1: open up to me. For all the producer people in here,
Speaker 1: it's been a challenge getting people to respond because everybody's
Speaker 1: so lovely, but they also do not want to talk
Speaker 1: about this for obvious reasons. It's a small town. And now,
Speaker 1: I mean, has anything like this ever happened in your
Speaker 1: town before?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, it's unique, yeah, completely unique.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thank you both for making that. Thank you,
Speaker 4: thanks man.
Speaker 5: And also I should probably say, is it worth mentioning
Speaker 5: that we've got.
Speaker 4: Pete?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely so just so you guys know that.
Speaker 1: Surviving Biological Fire is on board with our podcast, and
Speaker 1: one of it.
Speaker 2: Was really beautiful.
Speaker 1: Actually he's he's kind of cut from the same cloth
Speaker 1: as as John Ed's dad, but after all this has
Speaker 1: happened to him, he was just like, listen, my therapist
Speaker 1: said that I need to talk about this, and it
Speaker 1: helps me talk about it when I talk to you.
Speaker 1: And so he's collaborating with us. So we have the
Speaker 1: permission of the Shurviving family, and I think it's really cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's you wouldn't normally be that kind of
Speaker 1: guy that you would expect to be like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to talk to it about a stranger, random American stranger.
Speaker 2: So and he's been.
Speaker 14: Super cooperative and super collaborative yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, we
Speaker 14: get the ones back here, We'll come back to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Rouayne, how did you live? How do I
Speaker 4: get your mom's diapills?
Speaker 5: It wasn't, No, it was I was about to make
Speaker 5: a drug stoke, but I don't think this is the
Speaker 5: room to do it was not It was not the
Speaker 5: dia pills. It was literally carry deficit jogging and I
Speaker 5: drank goat's blood so.
Speaker 4: I did it all. No, but yeah, just jogging. My sorry.
Speaker 4: It's not a good answer, is it.
Speaker 5: People people always want to be like the people ask
Speaker 5: that question. They want you to be like there's a rock,
Speaker 5: oh mate, But people really want there to be a thing.
Speaker 5: They want you to be like there's a rock in Scotland.
Speaker 5: Whisper your secrets into it and you'll get thin.
Speaker 15: Nah.
Speaker 4: I was like literally every day listening to Beyonce hitting the.
Speaker 5: Ground and I ate a lot of kale.
Speaker 4: Was it worth it?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 4: I should have just stayed chunky. I was happier then
Speaker 4: in the back and that was really funny. Thanks a
Speaker 4: great story, cheers. One of my favorite things is like
Speaker 4: British slang first American. Oh yeah, was it really.
Speaker 3: Called dodge em?
Speaker 16: Ye?
Speaker 4: Called dodge. Is there any more anymore? Who wanted? You get.
Speaker 13: What I love?
Speaker 4: We talk it?
Speaker 5: Okay, so it's a nuts fan is so good. We
Speaker 5: had it three days in a row, didn't we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna put it in his coffee tomorrow.
Speaker 5: And then on the fourth day you were like, maybe
Speaker 5: we shouldn't keep eating case of it? And I was like, what,
Speaker 5: so dodgems have I said anything? Oh, I haven't got
Speaker 5: any like fair ground things, soffare aren't as good as you,
Speaker 5: good as yours. But I haven't been in a word
Speaker 5: for some stuff over here. I've learned some words the sugars.
Speaker 5: I find delightful way to someone having the sugars instead
Speaker 5: of diabetes.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh.
Speaker 5: My gosh, you guys kind of had to fund that
Speaker 5: one up because there's a bit of a thing going around,
Speaker 5: but like, yeah, And I called my mom and I
Speaker 5: was like, you never guess what they call it, like diabetes?
Speaker 4: And what I was like, they call it the sugars.
Speaker 5: And my mom like paust for a second, she was like,
Speaker 5: all your aunties have the sugars.
Speaker 4: Like it's been nothing but fun though.
Speaker 16: Right, I've had the pleasure of actually hearing your story
Speaker 16: before ed and I just want you to know, no way.
Speaker 4: We're watching you where where were where in.
Speaker 16: Audio format a while ago. I just want you to
Speaker 16: watching you perform it in person is incredible.
Speaker 4: It's moving.
Speaker 16: It was amazing and just on behalf of everybody here.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks, thank you very much. That's a lovely
Speaker 4: thing to say. Oh that's coolzy, thank you.
Speaker 15: Right.
Speaker 5: I was normally a walk off at this point, but
Speaker 5: I know what you animals are like, You've got questions.
Speaker 5: So we're going to do a Q and A please
Speaker 5: if you wouldn't mind, could you welcome back to the stage.
Speaker 5: Is Jody today, Vince and j D.
Speaker 3: All Right, ram Con what show?
Speaker 4: Let me show?
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm going to kick this off.
Speaker 17: You know, this is the second time I've seen the show,
Speaker 17: and I was moved each time. But my background, I'm
Speaker 17: a homicide detective.
Speaker 3: So you know, the.
Speaker 17: Only person that survived this massacre was Brett, so my
Speaker 17: mind goes straight to the crime scene.
Speaker 3: I want to hear some details what that was. Brett
Speaker 3: was the only one that walked away from that A lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I think you know what's interesting here is
Speaker 1: that I think as Americans were all very familiar with
Speaker 1: gun crime, which is very fast and quick. This was
Speaker 1: not that situation at all that night in July.
Speaker 2: It was protracted.
Speaker 1: Across three hours, and Jillian and David were obviously killed.
Speaker 15: They were.
Speaker 1: It was terrible because they only used they were only
Speaker 1: using kitchen knives, that's what Brett used. So there were
Speaker 1: seven knives recovered from the crime scene. Most of the
Speaker 1: blades have fallen off. I mean, they were like steak knives,
Speaker 1: what you've used in your house. And it was essentially
Speaker 1: protracted torture across three hours.
Speaker 2: They both had been drinking. It was a very bloody
Speaker 2: scene as well.
Speaker 1: Then they're blood, so there was blood upstairs and downstairs.
Speaker 1: One of the things that the one of the Cornish.
Speaker 2: Reports was very interesting.
Speaker 1: They had found gashes on the inside of Gillian's hand
Speaker 1: which were used as defense rooms to stop the stabbings.
Speaker 1: So we you know, it was particularly slow and protracted,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure as a detective you're sitting there thinking
Speaker 1: all of the possibilities of what happened. I think that
Speaker 1: something to note is that one thing that we explore
Speaker 1: in the podcast, and I hope that you guys will listen,
Speaker 1: is how what a close call. It was, and I
Speaker 1: think you heard Ed say that that.
Speaker 2: They live next door to each other. I guess not
Speaker 2: right next door to each other, like.
Speaker 4: A couple of doors. Maybe I can see his house
Speaker 4: from mine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a common space that they share, like a
Speaker 1: green between their houses. And Brett was picked up in
Speaker 1: that space, in the alley between Brett and Ed's home.
Speaker 2: But it was such a close call.
Speaker 1: Brett called nine to ninety nine, which is emergency services
Speaker 1: in England on himself twice.
Speaker 2: The first call was dropped.
Speaker 1: The second call made it through. He hung up the
Speaker 1: phone and it was outside. He called because he couldn't
Speaker 1: get a signal, and in that small window of time
Speaker 1: is the moment that Ed came back home from the gig.
Speaker 2: It was a very close call.
Speaker 1: So I think that's certainly something to note and things
Speaker 1: that we talk about in the podcast, but just a
Speaker 1: couple of things for I think the super fans to note.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of very interesting things. And I again,
Speaker 1: as a good producer, we only operate in facts here.
Speaker 1: So at the crime scene there were also two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds in twenty pound notes that were found
Speaker 1: in the garbage can. A pair of women's animal print underwear,
Speaker 1: and at some time across those three hours, Brett had
Speaker 1: written a note of sorts and the words I love
Speaker 1: and much were written over and over again on a
Speaker 1: piece of paper and then torn into a hundred pieces.
Speaker 1: Those were then reassembled and used in the trial.
Speaker 2: So there were a lot of.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, strange things. But you're right, it happened in
Speaker 1: four walls, and Brett's the only one that knows what happened.
Speaker 18: So Jody, as a social worker, I'm very interested in
Speaker 18: Brent's mental state when he interacts with law enforcement outside
Speaker 18: of his home. What is his mental state and does
Speaker 18: he immediately confess to this crime?
Speaker 1: You know what's really interesting after so law enforcement, they
Speaker 1: were the first person, a single officer actually found them
Speaker 1: right in the alley between Edinburgh's home. He was found
Speaker 1: laughing in the alley. This was right around midnight. Even
Speaker 1: though he had changed, he was still covered in blood
Speaker 1: because it was such a bloody crime scene.
Speaker 2: He just couldn't get away from it.
Speaker 1: He had a plastic carrier bag that he was holding
Speaker 1: like a grocery bag, which ended up being a part
Speaker 1: of his alibi.
Speaker 2: But he never said a thing.
Speaker 1: He basically went mute the moment the police picked him up,
Speaker 1: and then the only time that he spoke was during
Speaker 1: his trial.
Speaker 2: Which he pled not guilty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard, you know, it's always hard to speculate
Speaker 1: on mental state.
Speaker 2: Covered in blood, laughing, holding a shopping.
Speaker 1: Bag, he asked to go to McDonald's as well on
Speaker 1: the way to the police station. I think you can
Speaker 1: kind of get a general sense of where he was
Speaker 1: emotionally at that point.
Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's so, you know, looking at this
Speaker 17: thing from the outside and as a detective, it's amazing.
Speaker 17: I have a million questions going through my head, like
Speaker 17: I want to ask I add some questions, But you know,
Speaker 17: one of the things that is compelling to me is,
Speaker 17: and I'm not sure in England if this is necessary
Speaker 17: for successful prosecution, and some states don't require this, year
Speaker 17: is the why so the state that I come from, Uh,
Speaker 17: we don't have to prove motive, but as a detective,
Speaker 17: motive helps you understand what happened and helps you properly
Speaker 17: investigate the case.
Speaker 3: So I'm really interested to.
Speaker 17: Understand through the trial what may have come surfaced at
Speaker 17: explain what his motivation was.
Speaker 1: It was interesting, So one of the things that they
Speaker 1: the prosecution tried to do or so excuse me, the
Speaker 1: defense is that they would do a medical examination. There
Speaker 1: were lots of opportunities for him to be declared essentially insane.
Speaker 1: They were unable to prove that he was insane or
Speaker 1: mentally incapacitated during the time that he committed the murders.
Speaker 1: So that's just something I think that was kind of fascinating.
Speaker 1: And the only time that he ever spoke during that
Speaker 1: trial was to say that he was out at the shops,
Speaker 1: he came back and he came upon the crime scene,
Speaker 1: rather than having been what the truth was that he
Speaker 1: committed those acts. The trials nuts he popped off in
Speaker 1: court at some point he started to attack violently the
Speaker 1: dock officers that had to restrain him.
Speaker 2: His dad had to jump up and help.
Speaker 1: So I guess he spoke twice, his outburst and then
Speaker 1: his defense. But after that it was a very short trial.
Speaker 1: It was less than two weeks, and I think the
Speaker 1: jury delivered the verdict within one day, and which of
Speaker 1: course was guilty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 17: So, Jimmie, this like in your field as a not
Speaker 17: a health professional, like you know, were there signs before this,
Speaker 17: like obviously he was a bully. You know, that's a
Speaker 17: sign it experienced that to his childhood. What other science
Speaker 17: could have been present that people may have picked up on, Well.
Speaker 18: There's so many signs. And working on Wisecrack, I also
Speaker 18: realized how different the systems are compared to the United States.
Speaker 18: And I think that there were times when they did
Speaker 18: try to declare him mentally, you know, incopacitated or not
Speaker 18: able to stand trial, but the fact that that never happened,
Speaker 18: and then he then attacked someone at trial says we
Speaker 18: don't know much about his family situation. You've got to
Speaker 18: listen to the podcast little Plug there there's a lot
Speaker 18: of great information. The team dug deep into all the
Speaker 18: records from the family to the criminal justice, and I
Speaker 18: think that that will tell you a lot of the
Speaker 18: information that you want to know. But the reality is
Speaker 18: there's a lot of things that we don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a very well put, very well put.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ques, just some questions going here from you guys.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 19: I had a question over here, so I guess, as
Speaker 19: Jamie had mentioned, you know, seeing the differences between what
Speaker 19: I guess, how mental health is viewed or taken care of. There,
Speaker 19: I was just curious ed what have you done for
Speaker 19: yourself regarding this trauma? And you know when you said
Speaker 19: that you just went back to sleep. I think it
Speaker 19: was just that adrenaline just kind of your body just
Speaker 19: shut down. I was just curious what you've done for
Speaker 19: yourself to take care of your mental with everything that's
Speaker 19: happened over the last ten years, besides doing this right,
Speaker 19: this catharsism.
Speaker 2: Just wondering about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question to Initially, all I did.
Speaker 5: Was try and figure out how to tell this story
Speaker 5: to an audience for the first I would say four years,
Speaker 5: which is was not was not healthy. Jodie keeps telling
Speaker 5: me it wasn't healthy. Apparently, like therapy is great. I've
Speaker 5: started doing therapy, so that therapy is good. Here's a
Speaker 5: little can I can I talk a little bit more?
Speaker 5: Do you guys have to go to bed? You're right cool.
Speaker 5: The weird thing about my therapist is he really he
Speaker 5: really wants to know more about the story, and I'm
Speaker 5: drip feeding it to him because I'm so self conscious
Speaker 5: that he's going to lose interest in me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, and then someone was at the door.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you more next time, and He's like, oh, like,
Speaker 8: I'm really I'm really dick teasing my therapist with this.
Speaker 8: We've been talking for like a year and he's he's
Speaker 8: at the bit where I'm through the coconat through the window.
Speaker 4: He's desperate. His name is Simon. He sounds like they
Speaker 4: were through.
Speaker 1: Thank someone in the front like not being state side.
Speaker 18: Does this change your views at all on home self defense?
Speaker 4: Oh so, Uh, it's a good question.
Speaker 5: I think the issue here was something like this wouldn't
Speaker 5: have happened in a city because in a city you
Speaker 5: are conscious of your safety more until so in England
Speaker 5: we have scoring systems for streets on the crime like
Speaker 5: safety of it. He goes from one to five. The
Speaker 5: street I lived on until this day was a zero.
Speaker 5: There had never been a crime on the street. Not
Speaker 5: a lot of people live there. I mean, you've been there,
Speaker 5: haven't you.
Speaker 2: It's lovely, it looks like Hogwarts like it's very pretty.
Speaker 5: But now I would I would say my parents kind
Speaker 5: of got a wake up call and they still live
Speaker 5: in the house and the street and the village is
Speaker 5: not the saying when we went to the village, you're here.
Speaker 5: On the podcast, we tried to talk to people about this.
Speaker 5: We got kicked out of two pubs for mentioning it.
Speaker 5: The village are think of hot fuzzz, Like that's the
Speaker 5: stuff we're dealing with.
Speaker 4: I think lock your door in it. Just lock your
Speaker 4: back door, mate, lock your back door. Don't answer it.
Speaker 4: The windows were fine, but yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: I think they were very careless before, and I think
Speaker 5: this made their world a lot less safe and a
Speaker 5: lot more big.
Speaker 4: And my parents are different now.
Speaker 9: First, thank you very much for sharing your story, and
Speaker 9: then mine is kind of a two part. Sure, you
Speaker 9: said it happened really quickly. Do you have an idea
Speaker 9: of how long it was between this happening and the
Speaker 9: police getting there? And then who called the police? Because
Speaker 9: when you called, they already knew about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a great question. In my head.
Speaker 5: I don't have hard facts for you, because it felt
Speaker 5: like half an hour. Looking back at it, I think,
Speaker 5: am I right to say like ten minutes? Maybe tops?
Speaker 4: Ten minutes tops? Who called the police?
Speaker 5: Fucking everyone everyone on the street called the police, because
Speaker 5: the second you see a guy outside banging on a
Speaker 5: door having in blood, you're like, I know, who'd love to.
Speaker 4: Hear about this? It's the five. Oh, they want to
Speaker 4: find out.
Speaker 5: So I think the police were called by every single
Speaker 5: person on our street next door to Brett's house. I
Speaker 5: think in the struggle of what happened, they would have
Speaker 5: been screaming. That would have been noise. So I think
Speaker 5: the next door neighbors called the police. The problem is
Speaker 5: I live.
Speaker 4: In a very rural area of England.
Speaker 5: The police response rate is terrible because we've got one
Speaker 5: countryside police officer and he drives around in a pickup
Speaker 5: and every now and then someone's like goes through my
Speaker 5: garden and it's washing and like nothing bad happens. So
Speaker 5: on this occasion they had to am I right and
Speaker 5: said there to draft police in from a different town,
Speaker 5: and we didn't have a chopper on hand, so that
Speaker 5: was new.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 15: So Ed, I'm a person who unfortunately also has had
Speaker 15: multiple murders in my family, and I just want to
Speaker 15: say that first of all, it's not your fault. There's
Speaker 15: nothing you could have done to prevent any of that happening.
Speaker 15: And also I just want to say that it is
Speaker 15: possible to heal, to move on and to have a
Speaker 15: happy life, and I just want to encourage you to
Speaker 15: continue with whatever healing that you are doing because I
Speaker 15: can attest what you just said.
Speaker 2: Is really true.
Speaker 15: There is nobody who can empathize or understand with what
Speaker 15: you've been through. It is a singular experience. It is
Speaker 15: something that feels really lonely. But again, I just want
Speaker 15: to encourage you because I never thought I was going
Speaker 15: to come through what I came through, and it's possible.
Speaker 15: You can heal, you can move on, and I'm grateful
Speaker 15: for you sharing your story tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4: Can I have a comment on to that you're one
Speaker 4: hundred pers of self blame? Thing is real?
Speaker 5: Like that is rough and the fact that there were
Speaker 5: pictures of my face all over the like village that
Speaker 5: was that was a difficult thing to deal with.
Speaker 4: It kind of touched on the question the answer it before.
Speaker 5: It's like a day by day, case by case thing
Speaker 5: and it's learning that no emotion is not allowed and
Speaker 5: there's no normal.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I have a follow up a question.
Speaker 17: In your in your set, he was your bully. Yeah,
Speaker 17: you know we've all well, I don't know if everyone
Speaker 17: has that.
Speaker 3: I've experienced it.
Speaker 17: That's a long time. I have a question when it
Speaker 17: comes to like the like the psychology of this suspect.
Speaker 17: Did you ever experience him having a violent episode with
Speaker 17: anybody else growing up other than a normal perhaps you know,
Speaker 17: pushing each shoven anything that was some area of concern
Speaker 17: for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he so Brett played football soccer to a
Speaker 5: really high level, and he was was often talked about
Speaker 5: that he was very very good. But in football you
Speaker 5: get like a red card if you do something really bad.
Speaker 5: And his managers were quite annoyed with him regularly. That
Speaker 5: he kept getting sent off for doing dumb shit, is
Speaker 5: how I would describe it. Someone would trip him and
Speaker 5: he would go in with like a throat punch. I
Speaker 5: don't know if he did throw punch anyone, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Right there we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you for telling your story. Just one quick question.
Speaker 6: I'm over here, sorry, Thank you so much for telling
Speaker 6: your story. Just a quick question. At the end, you
Speaker 6: said that he was diagnosed with like ADHD in dyslexia
Speaker 6: and it was felt very similar to your story. Was
Speaker 6: that a proven diagnosis or was said something he said
Speaker 6: to kind of you know, mimic you, although he was
Speaker 6: really just a bully and just I was just wondering
Speaker 6: and curious.
Speaker 2: That is a real diagnosis.
Speaker 1: We do speak to Bred's father in the podcast as well.
Speaker 1: He has a lot of interesting opinions about his own
Speaker 1: son's health and also how the system has failed him.
Speaker 1: But that is an actual diagnosis, and I think it's
Speaker 1: funny you see similar diagnoses and two sides of the
Speaker 1: same coin. Yeah, very different approaches and lives. So thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your question.
Speaker 17: Think all right, let's give it up with Jody and
Speaker 17: durs was