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Speaker 1: Hey, wisecrack, it's your host and producer Jody. A lot

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Speaker 1: of curious listeners have been reaching out to me and

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Speaker 1: asking for a chance to ask questions to Ed. He's

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Speaker 1: pretty responsive on Instagram, so feel free to shoot your shot.

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Speaker 1: Give it a try.

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Speaker 2: But in the.

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Speaker 1: Meantime, we have two live Q and A sessions with

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Speaker 1: audiences after Ed performed his set. We recorded one in

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Speaker 1: Atlanta and one in Denver from Crime Con twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So perhaps some of these questions that are being asked

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Speaker 1: today are the burning ones that you may have as well.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy this bonus Q and A episode and as always,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening.

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Speaker 3: Fronce a.

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Speaker 4: Thank you in Edinburgh.

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Speaker 5: When I did the show, there were like a lot

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Speaker 5: of questions and I had to come up with like

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Speaker 5: a tenplay email to people and I know that, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was like it was like if you want to

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Speaker 5: know something and you don't want to just sit there

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Speaker 5: and be like what happened and what about this?

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Speaker 4: I don't understand this.

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Speaker 5: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna throw open

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Speaker 5: the question. If you don't have We're gonna do a

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Speaker 5: question on answers. Basically, if you don't have a question.

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Speaker 5: If it goes silent and no one's got a question,

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Speaker 5: why not, I don't care, right, I don't care.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get drunk. I've done it.

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Speaker 5: Now, you've got your thing by h But we're going

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Speaker 5: to do a question and answer and if you've got

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Speaker 5: anything you want to ask it all, please speak.

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Speaker 4: There'll be a microphone coming around.

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Speaker 5: I'm want to invite Jodie back to the stage because

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Speaker 5: she's like my brains this week, so to do a part.

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Speaker 4: Who's got a question?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of thoughts.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so how did your parents know that, like danger

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Speaker 6: was afoot when there was knocking?

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Speaker 5: So I think the answer that really is when the

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Speaker 5: banging started. When my dad was at the front window,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to go into a lot of gruesome detail,

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Speaker 5: but if you stab two people that many times with

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Speaker 5: seven different knives, you don't look clean. And that's what

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Speaker 5: my dad saw. But yeah, I think that's it. It's

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Speaker 7: What business is your mom working in now?

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Speaker 4: What business is my mum working in? Now? She's an

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Speaker 4: exotic game dealer.

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Speaker 8: Did you imagine that would be a well good show,

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Speaker 4: Mom's got a tiger. No, she's lost her arm.

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Speaker 5: Mom manages a little shop in near our village. She

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Speaker 4: She still plays. She still plays Farmville actually.

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Speaker 5: Fun fact, and now how along we've got time to

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Speaker 5: go into something cool. My dad went mad because my

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Speaker 6: Corn.

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Speaker 4: I was like, what have you done?

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Speaker 5: And she was like, my flowers were dry? And you've

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Speaker 5: spoken to Carol, haven't you, Jody?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Carol's a real one.

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Speaker 4: Did the windows come with some kind of insurance plan?

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Speaker 4: They did?

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Speaker 5: They did, And you know what, the windows did very well.

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Speaker 5: But the thing about the Titan seventeen was they were

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Speaker 4: Just another wall. Like my dad basically put up some

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Speaker 10: Like, banging, nailed it, well done, John.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much for coming to Atlanta.

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Speaker 11: Also, does anyone know what happened to your dad's fingers?

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Speaker 4: Where are we at with?

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Speaker 5: It's grewsome When he was like fourteen he was working

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Speaker 4: The saw was slowing down and his brace got caught

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Speaker 5: So my dad put his hand in to take the

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Speaker 4: Put his other hand in, it just clucks. The knuckle clucked.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I clugged the knuckle off and yeah, so

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Speaker 5: I heard some yet, yeah, it's not gonna be a

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Speaker 5: nice cut in your fingers off story. So he lost

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Speaker 11: I have two questions, sure, okay, first one being I

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Speaker 11: was kind of like the introduction. Correct, So what was

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Speaker 4: I loved the idea. I thought it was a great idea.

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Speaker 5: Podcasts are really awesome ways to tell stories at the

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Speaker 5: a story where people are gonna want to deep dive.

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Speaker 5: This hour show is fine, but other people aren't going

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Speaker 5: dig deeper into that, I know there's things about this

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Speaker 5: case that I don't know that you do know, which

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Speaker 5: Is it mafia? But yeah, I think I think podcasting

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Speaker 11: So yeah, So okay, My second question is if you

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Speaker 5: Okay, Jasper. Jasper got all his money taken off him

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Speaker 4: And that is it. That's all our family know.

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Speaker 5: Like people at family weddings will be like, oh, Jasper improved,

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, can we look into that somehow, because

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Speaker 5: But yeah, he got scammed, he got rinsed, and now

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Speaker 4: Teaches yoga or something. It's weird.

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Speaker 5: I would like to that's the next podcast, like Finding

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Speaker 4: Good question. Hi there, thank you for such a great set. English.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, my parents beat the accent out of us. But

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Speaker 12: my question was, so, this is your premiere in the US.

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Speaker 12: Do you have to go did you have to go

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Speaker 4: That's a good question, man, that's a really good question.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for asking it.

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Speaker 5: I called windows double glazing last night and I got

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Speaker 4: The people just looked at me and were like, oh,

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Speaker 4: he's had a stroke. It was weird. Dodgems, bumper cars,

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Speaker 5: I said, that's that's because I said Dodgems to you

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Speaker 4: Also, I've been calling jerky bag mate.

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Speaker 10: That's because it's me that's in a bag, Like come on,

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Speaker 10: you don't jerk it.

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Speaker 7: When you did your set in the Village, did you

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Speaker 5: So that is a phenomenal question, sir. And whether he

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Speaker 13: I Thank you for sharing. As someone from a small town,

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Speaker 13: is there things like looking back now as an adult

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Speaker 13: Are there things that you look back and like there

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Speaker 5: It just became a normality in my life that I

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Speaker 3: All Right, ram Con what show?

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Speaker 4: Let me show?

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Speaker 17: You know, this is the second time I've seen the show,

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Speaker 2: They both had been drinking. It was a very bloody

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Speaker 1: It was interesting, So one of the things that they

448
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: the prosecution tried to do or so excuse me, the

449
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: defense is that they would do a medical examination. There

450
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: were lots of opportunities for him to be declared essentially insane.

451
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: They were unable to prove that he was insane or

452
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: mentally incapacitated during the time that he committed the murders.

453
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Speaker 1: So that's just something I think that was kind of fascinating.

454
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Speaker 1: And the only time that he ever spoke during that

455
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: trial was to say that he was out at the shops,

456
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: he came back and he came upon the crime scene,

457
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: rather than having been what the truth was that he

458
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: committed those acts. The trials nuts he popped off in

459
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: court at some point he started to attack violently the

460
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 1: dock officers that had to restrain him.

461
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: His dad had to jump up and help.

462
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: So I guess he spoke twice, his outburst and then

463
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Speaker 1: his defense. But after that it was a very short trial.

464
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: It was less than two weeks, and I think the

465
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: jury delivered the verdict within one day, and which of

466
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: course was guilty.

467
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

468
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Speaker 17: So, Jimmie, this like in your field as a not

469
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 17: a health professional, like you know, were there signs before this,

470
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 17: like obviously he was a bully. You know, that's a

471
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Speaker 17: sign it experienced that to his childhood. What other science

472
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Speaker 17: could have been present that people may have picked up on, Well.

473
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Speaker 18: There's so many signs. And working on Wisecrack, I also

474
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Speaker 18: realized how different the systems are compared to the United States.

475
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Speaker 18: And I think that there were times when they did

476
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Speaker 18: try to declare him mentally, you know, incopacitated or not

477
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 18: able to stand trial, but the fact that that never happened,

478
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 18: and then he then attacked someone at trial says we

479
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 18: don't know much about his family situation. You've got to

480
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 18: listen to the podcast little Plug there there's a lot

481
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 18: of great information. The team dug deep into all the

482
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 18: records from the family to the criminal justice, and I

483
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 18: think that that will tell you a lot of the

484
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 18: information that you want to know. But the reality is

485
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 18: there's a lot of things that we don't know.

486
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Speaker 2: That's a very well put, very well put.

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ques, just some questions going here from you guys.

488
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Speaker 4: Hi.

489
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Speaker 19: I had a question over here, so I guess, as

490
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Speaker 19: Jamie had mentioned, you know, seeing the differences between what

491
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 19: I guess, how mental health is viewed or taken care of. There,

492
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Speaker 19: I was just curious ed what have you done for

493
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 19: yourself regarding this trauma? And you know when you said

494
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Speaker 19: that you just went back to sleep. I think it

495
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 19: was just that adrenaline just kind of your body just

496
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 19: shut down. I was just curious what you've done for

497
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 19: yourself to take care of your mental with everything that's

498
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 19: happened over the last ten years, besides doing this right,

499
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 19: this catharsism.

500
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Speaker 2: Just wondering about that.

501
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question to Initially, all I did.

502
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 5: Was try and figure out how to tell this story

503
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 5: to an audience for the first I would say four years,

504
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 5: which is was not was not healthy. Jodie keeps telling

505
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 5: me it wasn't healthy. Apparently, like therapy is great. I've

506
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 5: started doing therapy, so that therapy is good. Here's a

507
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 5: little can I can I talk a little bit more?

508
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 5: Do you guys have to go to bed? You're right cool.

509
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 5: The weird thing about my therapist is he really he

510
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 5: really wants to know more about the story, and I'm

511
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 5: drip feeding it to him because I'm so self conscious

512
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 5: that he's going to lose interest in me.

513
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, and then someone was at the door.

514
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 8: I'll tell you more next time, and He's like, oh, like,

515
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 8: I'm really I'm really dick teasing my therapist with this.

516
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 8: We've been talking for like a year and he's he's

517
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 8: at the bit where I'm through the coconat through the window.

518
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 4: He's desperate. His name is Simon. He sounds like they

519
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 4: were through.

520
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Speaker 1: Thank someone in the front like not being state side.

521
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Speaker 18: Does this change your views at all on home self defense?

522
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: Oh so, Uh, it's a good question.

523
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 5: I think the issue here was something like this wouldn't

524
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 5: have happened in a city because in a city you

525
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 5: are conscious of your safety more until so in England

526
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 5: we have scoring systems for streets on the crime like

527
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 5: safety of it. He goes from one to five. The

528
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 5: street I lived on until this day was a zero.

529
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 5: There had never been a crime on the street. Not

530
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Speaker 5: a lot of people live there. I mean, you've been there,

531
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Speaker 5: haven't you.

532
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Speaker 2: It's lovely, it looks like Hogwarts like it's very pretty.

533
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 5: But now I would I would say my parents kind

534
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: of got a wake up call and they still live

535
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 5: in the house and the street and the village is

536
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: not the saying when we went to the village, you're here.

537
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 5: On the podcast, we tried to talk to people about this.

538
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 5: We got kicked out of two pubs for mentioning it.

539
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 5: The village are think of hot fuzzz, Like that's the

540
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 5: stuff we're dealing with.

541
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Speaker 4: I think lock your door in it. Just lock your

542
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: back door, mate, lock your back door. Don't answer it.

543
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 4: The windows were fine, but yeah, I think.

544
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: I think they were very careless before, and I think

545
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 5: this made their world a lot less safe and a

546
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 5: lot more big.

547
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Speaker 4: And my parents are different now.

548
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Speaker 9: First, thank you very much for sharing your story, and

549
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 9: then mine is kind of a two part. Sure, you

550
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 9: said it happened really quickly. Do you have an idea

551
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 9: of how long it was between this happening and the

552
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 9: police getting there? And then who called the police? Because

553
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 9: when you called, they already knew about it.

554
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a great question. In my head.

555
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Speaker 5: I don't have hard facts for you, because it felt

556
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 5: like half an hour. Looking back at it, I think,

557
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 5: am I right to say like ten minutes? Maybe tops?

558
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: Ten minutes tops? Who called the police?

559
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: Fucking everyone everyone on the street called the police, because

560
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 5: the second you see a guy outside banging on a

561
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 5: door having in blood, you're like, I know, who'd love to.

562
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Speaker 4: Hear about this? It's the five. Oh, they want to

563
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: find out.

564
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Speaker 5: So I think the police were called by every single

565
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 5: person on our street next door to Brett's house. I

566
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: think in the struggle of what happened, they would have

567
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 5: been screaming. That would have been noise. So I think

568
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 5: the next door neighbors called the police. The problem is

569
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Speaker 5: I live.

570
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Speaker 4: In a very rural area of England.

571
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Speaker 5: The police response rate is terrible because we've got one

572
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Speaker 5: countryside police officer and he drives around in a pickup

573
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: and every now and then someone's like goes through my

574
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 5: garden and it's washing and like nothing bad happens. So

575
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: on this occasion they had to am I right and

576
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 5: said there to draft police in from a different town,

577
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 5: and we didn't have a chopper on hand, so that

578
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 5: was new.

579
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Speaker 4: Okay.

580
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Speaker 15: So Ed, I'm a person who unfortunately also has had

581
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 15: multiple murders in my family, and I just want to

582
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 15: say that first of all, it's not your fault. There's

583
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 15: nothing you could have done to prevent any of that happening.

584
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 15: And also I just want to say that it is

585
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 15: possible to heal, to move on and to have a

586
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 15: happy life, and I just want to encourage you to

587
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 15: continue with whatever healing that you are doing because I

588
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 15: can attest what you just said.

589
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Is really true.

590
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 15: There is nobody who can empathize or understand with what

591
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 15: you've been through. It is a singular experience. It is

592
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 15: something that feels really lonely. But again, I just want

593
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 15: to encourage you because I never thought I was going

594
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 15: to come through what I came through, and it's possible.

595
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 15: You can heal, you can move on, and I'm grateful

596
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 15: for you sharing your story tonight.

597
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you.

598
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: Can I have a comment on to that you're one

599
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: hundred pers of self blame? Thing is real?

600
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 5: Like that is rough and the fact that there were

601
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: pictures of my face all over the like village that

602
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 5: was that was a difficult thing to deal with.

603
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: It kind of touched on the question the answer it before.

604
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 5: It's like a day by day, case by case thing

605
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 5: and it's learning that no emotion is not allowed and

606
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: there's no normal.

607
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Speaker 4: Thank you. I have a follow up a question.

608
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Speaker 17: In your in your set, he was your bully. Yeah,

609
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 17: you know we've all well, I don't know if everyone

610
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 17: has that.

611
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: I've experienced it.

612
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Speaker 17: That's a long time. I have a question when it

613
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 17: comes to like the like the psychology of this suspect.

614
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 17: Did you ever experience him having a violent episode with

615
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 17: anybody else growing up other than a normal perhaps you know,

616
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 17: pushing each shoven anything that was some area of concern

617
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 17: for you.

618
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he so Brett played football soccer to a

619
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: really high level, and he was was often talked about

620
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: that he was very very good. But in football you

621
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: get like a red card if you do something really bad.

622
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 5: And his managers were quite annoyed with him regularly. That

623
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: he kept getting sent off for doing dumb shit, is

624
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: how I would describe it. Someone would trip him and

625
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: he would go in with like a throat punch. I

626
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 5: don't know if he did throw punch anyone, but yeah.

627
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: Right there we go.

628
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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you for telling your story. Just one quick question.

629
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Speaker 6: I'm over here, sorry, Thank you so much for telling

630
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 6: your story. Just a quick question. At the end, you

631
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 6: said that he was diagnosed with like ADHD in dyslexia

632
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 6: and it was felt very similar to your story. Was

633
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 6: that a proven diagnosis or was said something he said

634
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 6: to kind of you know, mimic you, although he was

635
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 6: really just a bully and just I was just wondering

636
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 6: and curious.

637
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: That is a real diagnosis.

638
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: We do speak to Bred's father in the podcast as well.

639
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: He has a lot of interesting opinions about his own

640
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: son's health and also how the system has failed him.

641
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: But that is an actual diagnosis, and I think it's

642
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: funny you see similar diagnoses and two sides of the

643
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: same coin. Yeah, very different approaches and lives. So thank

644
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: you so much for your question.

645
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 17: Think all right, let's give it up with Jody and

646
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 17: durs was