Speaker 1: George. I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about
Speaker 1: everything and everybody. You don't know if you don't lie
Speaker 1: about that, right, Lauren, Hey, y'all, what's up? It to
Speaker 1: Lauren de Rosa And this is the latest with Lauren
Speaker 1: de Rosa. This is your daily dig on all things
Speaker 1: pop culture, entertainment, news, and all of the conversations that
Speaker 1: shake the room. Baby. Now today we are going to
Speaker 1: get into a conversation that I'm always down to have
Speaker 1: conversations about stereotypes. And I am always down to have
Speaker 1: conversations about stereotypes when it comes to male and female
Speaker 1: because I mean, and it's not even like a feminist
Speaker 1: movement thing, because I don't consider myself a feminist. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things with feminist movement ways that I
Speaker 1: don't agree with. However, I always like opportunities to call
Speaker 1: out bullshit. So Vivica Fox was at a woman's expo
Speaker 1: in New Jersey and she was asked what would she
Speaker 1: said to her seventeen year old like, what is some
Speaker 1: advice for people that are young trying to get into this?
Speaker 1: And here is what she had to say, don't yes,
Speaker 1: Just so you know, it took me years to be
Speaker 1: able to laugh about.
Speaker 2: Them, right, right, I had to learn to laugh not
Speaker 2: to cry, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: Now, of course it's Vibica Fox. She's mentioning fifty cent
Speaker 1: don't date rappers, don't date fifty cent all the workings
Speaker 1: and all the things that they are to get the
Speaker 1: people going, And that is exactly what happened. Because, oh baby,
Speaker 1: the people have been online arguing for the past week.
Speaker 1: Here's the argument. It's Vibica Fox, just this person who
Speaker 1: you know, had this relationship with fifty cent both stars
Speaker 1: at the time, that just can't let it go because
Speaker 1: fifty cent is fifty cent and who he is and
Speaker 1: all of the things. Right, But let us not forget
Speaker 1: miss Vivica A. Fox, the girl Vivica A like. Let
Speaker 1: us not forget who Vivica Fox was at the time
Speaker 1: when she was dating fifty cent and who she still
Speaker 1: is today. Right. So there's that conversation that people are having,
Speaker 1: and then there's the conversation of, well, what's wrong with
Speaker 1: her saying that she would have not have wanted to
Speaker 1: have dated a rapper or honestly, when you dig deeper
Speaker 1: into the conversation, just make it her dating life a
Speaker 1: part of her career. I want to get into this
Speaker 1: conversation now. Some time ago, about a few years ago,
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty three, I sat down with Vivica Fox.
Speaker 1: We were having a conversation about her NAACP Image Award
Speaker 1: nomination at the time for the Tunisia Welch Story, which
Speaker 1: is another version of a BMF story. You guys know,
Speaker 1: fifty Cent was doing the BMF series which was recently
Speaker 1: announced that you know, this would be their last season.
Speaker 1: It's canceled, it's not coming back. But yes, so Tanisia
Speaker 1: watch story. Vivica A. Fox you know, was in the
Speaker 1: producer director's chair of that and they were nominated for
Speaker 1: Image Award. So we're talking, and what I realized in
Speaker 1: preparing for the conversation to sit down that I had
Speaker 1: with Vivica A. Fox was that I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of people, especially if you're of a certain age
Speaker 1: and younger, really understand the way Vivca Fox was the girl.
Speaker 1: I mean everywhere you looked, every big name projects of Hollywood,
Speaker 1: big studio films, everywhere you look, she was the girl.
Speaker 1: And not only talent wise and what she was booking,
Speaker 1: but I just mean beauty and you know, essence of
Speaker 1: like black woman in Hollywood and just the sex appeal
Speaker 1: and the power and all of the things. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that oozed into the roles that
Speaker 1: she decided to take. But I also learned in this
Speaker 1: conversation with Vivica Fox that this very thing that people
Speaker 1: love to go back and forth with her about whether
Speaker 1: it's her right to talk about how her dating history
Speaker 1: affected in or did not her career, is rightfully hers
Speaker 1: to talk about and how it has actually affected. It's
Speaker 1: like people want to see the back and forth because
Speaker 1: I guess it's entertaining. People want to criticize the back
Speaker 1: and forth, but I don't think people ever take the
Speaker 1: time to stop and think about, well, what she really
Speaker 1: affected by that relationship? Is that why this has become
Speaker 1: a permanent part in her story. Vivica Fox tells me
Speaker 1: in the sit down interview that we did that if
Speaker 1: she could take back a lot of things or just conversations,
Speaker 1: it would be the fact that people only knew her
Speaker 1: for the girlfriend or the sexy roles. That's take Listen
Speaker 1: to this interview I did some time ago with Vivocal Fox.
Speaker 2: There was a time where everyone was more concerned about
Speaker 2: my love life and things on the blogs than my talent.
Speaker 2: I learned that that was my mistake. You know, I
Speaker 2: learned to keep things a little bit more privately. That
Speaker 2: was because I opened myself up. So what I had
Speaker 2: to do was accept responsibility for that. I'm a huge,
Speaker 2: a huge accountability person. I take accountability for all my
Speaker 2: actions when something happens in my career, in my life,
Speaker 2: I'm the first one to look in the mirror and go, wow,
Speaker 2: how long, why did that happen? And what part did
Speaker 2: I play? So I had to go and reinvent myself.
Speaker 2: I had to go to the theater and start playing
Speaker 2: roles where my character got broken down in there. I
Speaker 2: wasn't miss fabulous one ill dressed up. My husband cheated
Speaker 2: on me. I did a play Cheaper to Keeper with
Speaker 2: Brian McKnight, and I went and I did theater for
Speaker 2: two years. And when I say theater, we were on
Speaker 2: the road doing plays. I was reintroducing my brand and
Speaker 2: myself as an actress to my audience.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, in looking at this, and
Speaker 1: I did try and reach out and have a new,
Speaker 1: refreshed conversation around this with Vivica Fox to no avail.
Speaker 1: But I think and you know, having the conversation I
Speaker 1: had with her and seeing the way that people reacted,
Speaker 1: you know, to her, even in her mentioning this conversation,
Speaker 1: I do remember there was a time where Vivica Fox,
Speaker 1: you know, and fifty were going back and for you know,
Speaker 1: that thing they were doing amongst their shows, and fifty
Speaker 1: sens girlfriend at the time, Cuban Link had got involved,
Speaker 1: and you know, she said some things that weren't too
Speaker 1: flattering of Vivica Fox, and the world quickly reminded Cuban
Speaker 1: Link and everybody else that thought that, you know, those
Speaker 1: comments were cute. You cannot play with Hollywood royalty, black television,
Speaker 1: black movie, black it girl ryalty, which is what Vivica
Speaker 1: Fox is. So when I see people have conversations about
Speaker 1: the fact that she's expressing herself and what this relationship
Speaker 1: meant to her, didn't mean did to her, I'm like, y'all,
Speaker 1: that is her business to be able to do. So
Speaker 1: you got people out here, and this is the thing
Speaker 1: too that bothers me, Like I feel like when it
Speaker 1: comes to women, when we have conversations about relationships in
Speaker 1: our you know, what we demand in relationships, not even
Speaker 1: what we demand, but like just what we want in relationships,
Speaker 1: what we don't want in relationships, how relationships have affected us,
Speaker 1: depending on the person and depending on how we talk
Speaker 1: about it, we're drags, Like we are not allowed to
Speaker 1: be these like women needs these people, these beings that
Speaker 1: are just out here figuring things out dating, learning what
Speaker 1: we like, what we don't like. Like think about the
Speaker 1: fact that, like right now, as take any woman in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: any single woman in Hollywood right now. Let's take Tracy
Speaker 1: Ellis Ross for example. Tracy Alice Ross has talked a
Speaker 1: lot about you know, being single, you know, not having kids,
Speaker 1: in enjoying her life at this point without all of
Speaker 1: the things in dating. Right She's also talked about deciding
Speaker 1: to keep her business to herself when it comes to dating.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of women that do this,
Speaker 1: especially industry wise, or if they you know, their influencers
Speaker 1: they have a little buzz or whatever the case, they
Speaker 1: may be right because as a woman, you don't get
Speaker 1: the ability to data man experience that, learn from it,
Speaker 1: dislike it, talk about it, use it in any type
Speaker 1: of creative Taylor Swift is dragged every time she writes
Speaker 1: about an ex summer Walker gets dragged every time she
Speaker 1: talks or writes about an X And you know, and granted,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that every woman in every decision that
Speaker 1: they're making with the men that they're dating or great decisions.
Speaker 1: That is not the argument here. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: is who are we to tell these women that they
Speaker 1: can't make them decisions and can't do that. If Tracy
Speaker 1: allis dress today were to go out on a date
Speaker 1: in public and be seen with somebody, even if the
Speaker 1: date is just her actually getting to know somebody, she
Speaker 1: is now marked by that person that she was seen with,
Speaker 1: and literally it could have just been like a coffee date.
Speaker 1: But if you're a man and you're seen out and
Speaker 1: you're you know, dating a person or whatever, multiple different people,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't stick the same. And I think people
Speaker 1: don't understand that period. I think if you're a woman
Speaker 1: who is not in a certain space, which is crazy
Speaker 1: to me because I feel like you don't got to
Speaker 1: be famous to understand that. As a woman, you know,
Speaker 1: your account is your count, what is what is thrown
Speaker 1: on your name and your reputation when it comes to dating.
Speaker 1: When it comes to men, when it comes to you know,
Speaker 1: all of that sticks way harder than it does any
Speaker 1: man in any similar situation. But especially with women in
Speaker 1: the spotlight, I think we give them such a hard
Speaker 1: time about these decisions that they're making and their reactions
Speaker 1: to the decisions and how they handle them when it's
Speaker 1: like it could have really been in a situation that
Speaker 1: like really stop, you know, things in her trap as
Speaker 1: she said, she had to go back and rebuild her
Speaker 1: career after taking on certain roles and being the sexy
Speaker 1: girl and the girlfriend and you know, being spotted with
Speaker 1: all of the guys. And that's just the thing. Why
Speaker 1: are y'all mad at Vivika Fox for expressing something she
Speaker 1: might have learned maybe she had to learn. Yo, you
Speaker 1: don't want the big name celebrity rapper. You don't because
Speaker 1: it overshadows your work. It overshadows you know, your own career,
Speaker 1: It overshadows all of the hard work you put into things.
Speaker 1: Like why is that an issue we only do it
Speaker 1: with women? If a man were to come out and say,
Speaker 1: for instance, Nick Cannon is a perfect example, and Nick
Speaker 1: Cannon not everybody loves his commentary when he talks about
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey, I think every now and then he does
Speaker 1: get that, Oh, here you go again. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, Nick Cannon is allowed to have conversations about
Speaker 1: his experiences in dating Mariah Carey, who was a you know,
Speaker 1: super I mean, and the canon was Nick Cannon, but
Speaker 1: it's Mariah Carey at the time, right. He gets to
Speaker 1: talk about that. He gets to talk about how it
Speaker 1: really messed with his ego. He gets to talk about
Speaker 1: the fact that he had to take a step back
Speaker 1: and really take a look in and say, hey, why
Speaker 1: did that bother me? Why was I so challenged in
Speaker 1: that relationship as a man? Like why did her status
Speaker 1: and the things that she's accomplished, you know make me
Speaker 1: feel lesser than or make me feel like I had
Speaker 1: to poke my chest out in certain situations and in
Speaker 1: our relationship didn't work. We call these conversations healing, and
Speaker 1: you know, he's tapping in with himself and he's maturing it.
Speaker 1: But when a woman does it, Oh, laurd, here's she
Speaker 1: go again talking about that relationship. She can't get over
Speaker 1: that man, huh. And I'm here for the back and forth.
Speaker 1: You know, it's entertaining because you know, the minute fifty
Speaker 1: centers mentioned you know he is coming and we had similar,
Speaker 1: you know, sentiments than like what I saw online. So
Speaker 1: fifty Cent posted a photo of himself with the red
Speaker 1: pill blue pill, and in the photo, the caption says,
Speaker 1: either way, I'm gonna have that ass in a matrix.
Speaker 1: You know, I love me some you girl, But damn,
Speaker 1: it's been twenty two years. Viveca. Question for the audience,
Speaker 1: question for the people in the room. Why can't women
Speaker 1: talk about what they've learned in relationships and it not
Speaker 1: be well? Damn Still? Honestly, I feel like anytime a
Speaker 1: woman is talking about anything relationship wise, especially something that
Speaker 1: has turned her off, she doesn't like she has had
Speaker 1: to learn from her she's had to move on. We
Speaker 1: are either difficult, We're bitter, we're stuck on past situations,
Speaker 1: we want too much, our expectations are too high or
Speaker 1: just unrealistic, or we don't know how to like create
Speaker 1: a safe space for a man to be like vulnerable
Speaker 1: in all these things because we don't want to settle
Speaker 1: for certain things. And maybe this is the woman in
Speaker 1: me speaking. Am I being biased? I want to hear
Speaker 1: from the men as well. How do y'all feel? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like as a man, because I know sometimes
Speaker 1: men get called sassy, but most of the time it's
Speaker 1: the men with the podcast mikes, and let's be honest,
Speaker 1: a lot of them do be a little sasy, little seasoned,
Speaker 1: little sass owned, but men do y'all feel like you,
Speaker 1: guys are able to have open conversations about what you've learned,
Speaker 1: the relationships, how you've learned it, what you've liked, what
Speaker 1: you did not like, and how is it proceed because
Speaker 1: I feel like when I'm watching men do it, both
Speaker 1: in a you know, very open big entertainment industry or
Speaker 1: just even on podcasts or online, women love hearing it
Speaker 1: involved the king. Yes, men love seeing men in spaces
Speaker 1: being able to express themselves because, according to you, guys,
Speaker 1: women don't allow you to space to But the minute
Speaker 1: we do it, I'm gonna getchewed up for this video.
Speaker 1: The minute we do with we are bitter. We can't
Speaker 1: move on. Oh they love us, say we don't know
Speaker 1: our worth because we're you know, we don't want to
Speaker 1: be here. We're figuring it out there, like don't have
Speaker 1: dated around and I don't mean like you out here,
Speaker 1: just throwing it, throwing that in the circle for everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you are honestly a single woman who
Speaker 1: has decided to be single until you figure out what
Speaker 1: it is that you want. So you're dating and experiencing
Speaker 1: different people. Then you fatherless, you a whole. You don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't understand, Like what are we supposed
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Can we date? Can we learn? Can we grow? Can
Speaker 1: we use it to teach the next generation of young
Speaker 1: girls coming up about, Hey, this is what you should
Speaker 1: not do or not y'all let me know