1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: by my partner and everything Packers, Wes Hodkoitz. Coming to 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field to discuss 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: unfortunately a sixteen to thirteen Green Bay loss at the 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: hands of the Carolina Panthers. I will start by saying 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: I apologize for the late posting of our normal Tuesday show, 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: just some issues with the scheduling in the studio. With 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: the Monday night game coming up, things are all kind 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: of out of whack this week already. But here we are. 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: We are getting the show done. A tough one West, 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: but even tougher than the loss the loss of tight 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: end Tucker Craft for the rest of the season unfortunately, 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: a knee injury in the third quarter. Craft is out 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: for the season and that is going to be a 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: big adjust meant for the Green Bay Packers offense to 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: make the rest of the way. 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one that sucks because obviously the 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: Packers have Super Bowl aspirations, they have goals to play 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: well into January and February. Certainly number eighty five has 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: a big thing to do about that. But I remember 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: a very cold, blistery day in April where you and 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 2: I were standing outside on the east side of west 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: side of Lambellfield. I know my directions, and the Packers 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: tailgate tour was getting ready to take off, and Tucker 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: Craft was one of the along with Lucas van S 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: where the modern era current players that were participating on that, 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: and Tucker talked about a bevy of things, including him 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: and his lovely wife were expecting the birth of a 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: daughter child that was born later in July. He was 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: talking about the work that he put in at lambeau Field. 32 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: He stayed here year round and was preparing himself for 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: his third NFL season, and just the expectations that he 34 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: was putting on himself to step up as a leader, 35 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: to step up as a player, and all those things 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: came true. This guy was a surefire pro bowler in 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: my opinion. It was cool seeing him start to get 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: the national notoriety after that win over the Steelers, and 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: everybody was starting to kind of jump on the Tucker 40 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: tucker Craft train. And now it comes to a screeching halt. 41 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: Like Matt Lafleur said at his press conference on Monday. 42 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: Tucker's handling this as we would all expect him to, 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: as well as someone possibly could given the circumstances. But 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: it just stinks that a guy that was really taking 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,559 Speaker 2: this thing over and becoming one of the more noteworthy 46 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: tight ends in the league that gets put on ice 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: here for a minute. So, yeah, you take away the 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: football team, you take away the wins and the loss 49 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: is the business side of this thing. Your heart just 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: hurts for a guy that put his soul into making 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: sure that this was the best season it could possibly 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: be and and now it's something out of his control 53 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: that takes him out of it. 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the cruelest part of this business. There's no 55 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. I Mean, these are the 56 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: kinds of things that you know, they're worse than you know, 57 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: a tough last second loss. They are they are they're 58 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: they're worse than anything else that that goes on, you know, 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: win or loss wise on a football field. Is when 60 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: when a guy, you know, as you said, he's put 61 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: everything into it, he was becoming everything that he had 62 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: set out to be for himself and and quite frankly, 63 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: probably exceeding the expectations that anybody else could have had 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: for him, quite frankly, because he set a standard so 65 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: high for himself just in his third year in the 66 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: NFL to to become to become that kind of player. 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: And it just so happens the very next game after 68 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: his career best game to this point. And uh, and 69 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: this happens, the Packers are going to have to adjust, obviously, 70 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: you know when we will talk more about it in 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: our upcoming shows, you know, Luke Musgrave, Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs, 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: the weapons. Hopefully Jayden Reid is back at some point. 73 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: You know, the Packers offense will adjust, will adjust and 74 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: move forward. But but this is a big, a big loss. 75 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: And uh, you just wonder, You just I'm always gonna wonder, 76 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: regardless of what Tucker Craft does in twenty twenty six 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty seven and beyond, I'm always gonna wonder 78 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: just where this twenty twenty five season was gonna go 79 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: for Tucker Craft. Because I had written it over the 80 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: weekend leading up to the game, he was he was 81 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: on pace to basically rewrite Packers' record books for a 82 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: single season as far as what a tight end could accomplish, 83 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: had accomplished on the field for the Packers, and yeah, 84 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: now it's it's all gone for him for the time being. 85 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: Worst part of it almost reminds me a little bit 86 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: what happened to Bobby Tunyan back in twenty twenty, when 87 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: it's like this guy is at the beginning of this 88 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: thing and looks like he's about to take off. Yeah, 89 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: and he gets robbed of it, you know, with a 90 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: knee injury like this, an acl that takes you out 91 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: for a year. What I love about Tucker's story is 92 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: he unfortunately just literally the day after the game turned 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: twenty five. Yeah, he's a young buck, and I think 94 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of special seasons ahead for him. 95 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: But to play as well as he did and have 96 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: such a hand in this five to two and one 97 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: start for Green Bay and the victories that they've had 98 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: two one hundred yard games, his first two hundred yard 99 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: games of his career this season, and to get that 100 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 2: rob from him, it just again, your heart hurts. But 101 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: from the Packers' perspective, if you want to look at 102 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: it from the x's and o's standpoint, people need to 103 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: step up. And you got Christian Watson back now. It 104 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: sounds like Jaden Reed is getting healthier. Hopefully get him 105 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: back here at some point this season, although it doesn't 106 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: sound like he'll be practicing quite yet. Luke Musgrave ended 107 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: up having three big catches for thirty four yards on 108 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: the Packers last scoring drive. They're going to need him 109 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: to take on a bigger role now, John Fitzpatrick, as 110 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: far as the inline tight end stuff, a lot of 111 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: guys are going to be counted on here and somewhere 112 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: down the road. You hope that what Tucker Craft started 113 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: this year is just the beginning of something much more 114 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: special to come. Yeah. 115 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: Absolutely well when it comes to this loss, sixteen to 116 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: thirteen was the final. Carolina wins it on a forty 117 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: nine yard walk off field goal. And there are a 118 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: lot of reasons the Packers lost this game, but the 119 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: one you have to put at the top of the 120 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: list is the fact that the first four times the 121 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: Packers were in the red zone in this game, they 122 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: failed to score a touchdown, and not only didn't get 123 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: a touchdown in those first four trips into the red zone, 124 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: ending up one of five overall. When they finally did 125 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: get a touchdown on their last red zone trip. But 126 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: in going zero for four up until the last couple 127 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: minutes of the game, they only scored six points. It 128 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: wasn't even a matter of oh, they kicked four field 129 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: goals and had twelve points on the board, because that 130 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: probably would have been enough to win this game. But 131 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: whether you're talking, you know, a fumble penalties that pushed 132 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: them back and forced them to kick field goals. There 133 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: was a fourth and eight decision by Matt Lafleur. They 134 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: didn't get any points on that drive outside the red zone. 135 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: There was a missed field goal. I mean, the list, 136 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: the list of missed opportunities in this game is as 137 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: long as it gets and we don't need to necessarily 138 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: rehash all of them. But where the Packers go from here, 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, they don't have any They get one extra 140 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: day to deal with this one because the next game 141 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: is Monday Night Football. But that next game is against 142 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: the defending champs in the Philadelphia Eagles. The Packers have 143 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: got to right the ship, and they've got to do 144 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: it in a hurry here because they've got a big 145 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: time game coming up. 146 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's weird. I've said this is a number 147 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: of people now this week, in the aftermath of this loss, 148 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: I actually have no qualms, no issues whatsoever about the Packers' 149 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: ability to bounce back. They've done a good job of it. 150 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: They've been a resilient team, and they can play to 151 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: every level. The problem is is that this was a 152 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: game again where the Green Bay Packers were a decided 153 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: favorite over the Carolina Panthers, and I think if you 154 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: look on scale, everybody would agree the Packers are a 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: much more talented football team on both sides of the ball. 156 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: I think probably the most frustrating part of this is 157 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: that a lot of the markers. You don't have to 158 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: be a head coach in this league. You don't have 159 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: to be Matt Lafleur, Brian Goodekunst. Everybody knew going into 160 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: this thing, including this Dullard. What had to happen in 161 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: this game. Green Bay had to run the ball better 162 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: than the Carolina Panthers. They need to stop Rico Dawdle, 163 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: which a lot of teams have struggled to do, but 164 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: they needed to do that. They need to put this 165 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: game Bryce Young's hands, and offensively, they needed to establish 166 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs. We saw glimpses of that this was actually 167 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: Josh's second best rushing performance this season as as far 168 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: as statistics are concerned. But when you give up one 169 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty rushing yards to Dawdle, both of their 170 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: touchdowns came through Dowdell. They rushed for almost one hundred 171 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: and seventy yards in this game. That's not going to 172 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 2: cut it, not when you're the number three ranked rush 173 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: defense going in. In addition to the fact, as you 174 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: laid out, with these red zone woes, the Packers had 175 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: seven possessions, never punted. They had almost two hundred yards 176 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: through those first three possessions in just three points to 177 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: show for it. Situationally, Green Bay fell short and unfortunately 178 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: for them, it led to their first loss at Lambeufield 179 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: this season. 180 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what this game really came down to with 181 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: situational football, because the Packers had as you mentioned, they 182 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: only had seven possessions in the game. One of those, 183 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: the only short possession that they had was unfortunately, when 184 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: ill advised deep shot down the field on first down 185 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: was intercepted triple coverage. It was it was a bad call, 186 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: bad decision all that, But the other six drives the 187 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: Packers the the other six drives were all between nine 188 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: and thirteen plays in length. The Packers were moving the ball, 189 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: and but what it came down to is essentially the 190 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: Packers were kind of the Panthers. Excuse me, this is 191 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: going to come out the wrong way, but the Panthers 192 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: in some respects were letting them move the football because 193 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: they were sitting back. They were, you know, playing too 194 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: high safety, and not just too high safety, but zone 195 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: coverage behind that, which means the cornerbacks are are off 196 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: the line of screens, they're keeping everything in front of them, 197 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: they're giving they're giving the short stuff. And then what 198 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: they're planning on doing is then when the opposing offense 199 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: gets in the red zone and the field shrinks and 200 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: it cranks up the level of precision you need to 201 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: operate on offense. Because the field is smaller, they're counting 202 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: on the Packers to make a mistake. And essentially that's 203 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: exactly how the game played out because the Packers did 204 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: not have the consistency and the discipline, whether you're talking 205 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: about a fumble or a penalty or a sack or 206 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. The Packers didn't have the 207 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: consistency and the discipline to avoid that mistake that was 208 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: going to keep them out of the end zone. And 209 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: when that happens time and time again, you're giving the 210 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: other team no reason to change their plan, no reason 211 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: to play any differently. And so then when you don't 212 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: break through and get that touchdown until there's just two 213 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: and a half minutes on the clock, which which is 214 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: the touchdown that tied the game, the Panthers defensively were 215 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: able to play exactly the way they wanted to play 216 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: for the entire game. They never had to change what 217 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: they wanted to do, and then they got the ball. 218 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: They got the ball last their running back who rushed 219 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: for one hundred and thirty yards. He broke off the 220 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: big run from midfield to the thirty one and nineteen 221 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: yard run that took them into field goal range. In 222 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: the final minute of the game, they drained the clock 223 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: and kicked the field goal, and they got on the 224 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: airplane back to Charlotte with a victory that in a 225 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: game the Packers, honestly Wes had no business losing. Yes, 226 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: it's just it's not a game that the Packers should 227 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: have lost, but because they were forced to play a 228 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: way that they didn't want to play, and they couldn't 229 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: execute in that way to beat a lesser team. You 230 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: come out on the short end of it. 231 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you summed it up. And it was a 232 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: lot of the same sentiments that were shared in the 233 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: locker room afterwards. Michael Parsons almost said exactly what you 234 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: said word for word. I mean Bryce Young threw for 235 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: one hundred and two passing yards. Yeah, in this with 236 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: an interception on a very bad ball that Xavier McKinney 237 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: picked off in the end the back of the end zone. 238 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: Bryce Young had only two road wins as a starting 239 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: quarterback in his career before Sunday, and the Packers did 240 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: not put the game in his hands. And I say that, yes, 241 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: the run defense was a problem, but not putting the 242 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: game in Bryce Young's hands was the fault of the 243 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: run defense as well as the Packers offense not scoring 244 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: the points they needed to score to make Bryce Young 245 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: have to throw the ball to beat them. And a 246 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: guy with only two road wins as a starting quarterback 247 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: came in and got his third and he didn't really 248 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: do a whole lot. 249 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so there are some people I saw online 250 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: that were trying to make a lot of Micah Parson's 251 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: comments afterwards, saying that that was an indictment on Young. 252 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: It really wasn't. It was more an indictment on the 253 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: Packers and that they're going up against a young quarterback 254 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: that has thrown the ball to the opposing team of 255 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: fair share of times during his career when it's been 256 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: in his plate. And Rico Doubtel has turned out to 257 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: be the perfect complimentary piece to them because Young is 258 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: gaining experience and there's a relationship there that you can 259 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: tell that they have a very clear identity of what 260 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: they want to be now. And I said this to 261 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: Darren Gant, a buddy mine who covered the Panthers for 262 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: their website. Do exactly what we do, and I said, 263 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: they are a fun and frisky football team, and they 264 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: play to what they are and that is run the ball, 265 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: stop the run. And that's what they accomplished in this game. 266 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: In addition to being able to play that way for 267 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: four quarters, I think is probably the most surprising thing, 268 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: just based on way that the game tilted. That being 269 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: said for Green Bay standpoint, because Young wasn't dropping back 270 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: that much, only had two quarterback hits. One of them 271 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: was the strip sack that they ended up recovering, and 272 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: then a few plays later McKinney gets the interception and 273 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: the other was just a I think a blitz on 274 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: from kay Walker. So it was tough to get home 275 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: against this guy, and it was tough to correl this 276 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: running back. That the hardest part to swallow. And I 277 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: know a lot will be made about the fourth and 278 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: eight decision. Matt Lafleur took ownership for it. It's been 279 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: bantied about already quite a bit this week, but for me, 280 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: it really does go back to that nineteen yard run 281 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: at midfield. It was a great look. I thought that 282 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: disguise was excellent on it. But the problem is is 283 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: that it's second and ten. You've already had a hard 284 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: time staying in front of Dowbdle all game. I don't 285 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: know what the big fear was there of Young pulling 286 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: it and throwing it, and it seemed like Green Bay 287 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: was really kind of prepared for that, and then when 288 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: the draw came, they just got completely caught off guard. 289 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean credit the Panthers. They called, they called, 290 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: They called the right play at the right time. I 291 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: think I think the Packers defense was in that moment 292 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: was a little bit on its heels because Young had 293 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: hit a couple of throws to mc millington to move 294 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: the chains, you know, the the underneath stuff, and uh, 295 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: it was it was clear that that Carolina was Carolina 296 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: was going to drain the clock on that possession. It 297 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: was a question of would they get would they get 298 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: close enough? And even when they got to the thirty 299 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: one yard line, they didn't even they weren't even able 300 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: to get any closer. Quite frankly, weren't even trying. They 301 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, it's forty nine yards. We're not going 302 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: to take any risk here whatsoever, and they're going to 303 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: send out the kicker and uh, and he was able 304 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: to make the kick to uh to win the game. 305 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: It's it's tough because uh, you know Dowdell, Dowdell had 306 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: I believe it was for I guess what you would 307 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: classify as explosive runs yep in the game and uh, 308 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: which gave him gave him a hefty average. It's just 309 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: and it just seemed like every time Dowdell, every time 310 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: Doddell did get an explosive run. That's what led to 311 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: That's what led to points, you know, for the for 312 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: the Panthers. So here's a here's here's my question to 313 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: you though, as the Packers, as the Packers now try 314 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: to figure this out, coming off coming off of this performance, 315 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: in the wake of the Tucker Craft injury and every 316 00:16:54,280 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: and everything like that, do do the Packers? Are the 317 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Packers going to be able to win a game like 318 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: this in the field, like like down the road, And 319 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: what I mean in a game like this is are 320 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: they are they going to be able to win a game? 321 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: Figure out how to win a game when they're not 322 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: able to play the way they want to play? Because 323 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: I think that that right now is kind of what's 324 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: you know, what's what's lingering out there is that the 325 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: Cardinal the Cardinals sat back defensively. I would say the Steelers, 326 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: though not as much because the Steelers definitely blitz Jordan 327 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: Love plenty in that game. But we saw the Cardinals 328 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: sit back defensively. We've seen the Panthers sit back defensively, 329 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: and you know, Cardinals were able to do the job 330 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: for the first half and then the Packers kind of 331 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: going in the second half. The Panthers, as I said, 332 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: were never never had to come out of what they 333 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: were doing and when this pack when this Packers offense 334 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: gets into an uncomfortable spot in terms of not being 335 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: able to play that the way they want to play. 336 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: Are they going to be able? Are they going to 337 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: be able to find ways to win in doing that? 338 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: I think, because I think they're going to be in 339 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: this position again, and the growth of this team is 340 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: going to depend on whether they can figure that out well. 341 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: And it's just understanding the situation too. In the hardest 342 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: part about this, and you've talked about this an inbox 343 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: quite a bit already, probably more even more than I have, 344 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: is that it's not like every single drive it was 345 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: the same issue, right, It was different things that plagued 346 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: them at different times. They move the ball very well 347 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: early on and saveon Williams has a fumble that they 348 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: lose and the drive ends. There's other instances like the 349 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: fourth and eight the play before that, where they're trying 350 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: that screen and then's going for a loss of five. 351 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: There's times where the situation where Jordan Love has to 352 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: kind of scan the field and understand where things are, 353 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: like the interception that he went downfield with. I feel 354 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: like all the firepower Green Bay needs is within this offense. 355 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: I feel like there are those outlets even without Craft. 356 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: We've seen it with Dobbs, We've seen it at times 357 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: with Matthew Golden, who it sounds like is alright with 358 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: the shoulder, and I'm now having Christian Watson back is 359 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: going to be huge for them, I feel like, especially 360 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: in that regard. But it's being able to consistently do 361 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: that week after week after week. And Xavier McKinney, as always, 362 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: was extremely eloquent after the game when talking about, you know, 363 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: this performance and what happened against Carolina wasn't necessarily a 364 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: huge surprise because they'd been kind of playing with fire 365 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: already in some of those close wins, including the matchup 366 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: against Arizona, but they found a way to win in 367 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: the end either way. Mike, I actually don't think we're 368 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: probably gonna get that answer on Monday Night Football. Yet 369 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: they could win that big, they can look that big. 370 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. We're not going to see 371 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: it necessarily right away, but there's still you know, there's 372 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: nine regular season games left here. 373 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: But that game against New York is the one I'm 374 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: looking at because that's the one where regardless of what 375 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: happens with the Giants next weekend, the Packers will again 376 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: be decided favorites. Regardless of the the outcome against the Eagles, 377 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: they are going to go into MetLife as a significant favorite. 378 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: And I'm not even saying you got to win thirty 379 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: five to seven or anything crazy like that, but how 380 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: do you play that opponent is going to be very critical. 381 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: I think these next two games we're going to learn 382 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: a lot about this football team because now the gimmes 383 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: are over, not even gimmeis, but the mulligans are over. 384 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: You had that performance against the Browns, it reflects in 385 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 2: your record. You had that performance against the Panthers, it 386 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: reflects on your record. Now the Packers are getting into 387 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: the real crux of their season. The NFC North games 388 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: are waiting, and they are all going to be doozies. 389 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: Have you learned from what has happened? Have you been 390 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 2: able to make the corrections to ultimately not have those 391 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: self inflicted wounds when there is no mulligan to be had. Yeah? 392 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: And I like the way I like the way you 393 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: put that because I believe this Packers team is going 394 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: to bounce back, and I believe we are going to 395 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: see a much much better performance on Monday Night at 396 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: Lambeufield against the Philadelphia Eagles. It will be light years 397 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: better than what we saw against the Carolina Panthers. But 398 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: as we all know, the Packers can play light years 399 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: better than they did against the Panthers, and the Eagles 400 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: still could be just good enough to come in here. 401 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: And beat Grip Bay. 402 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: Right, That's that's the difference. So we'll see what happens. 403 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: I think the Packers are going are going to bounce 404 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: back and play a good game, win or lose against 405 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: the Eagles on Monday Night. The question is, as you 406 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: just said, when that happens, does that bounce back performance 407 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: become something that they build on moving forward or does 408 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: it just become another part of this whole up and down, 409 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, roller coaster type thing that we've seen that's 410 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: ultimately over the long haul, what's going to define this 411 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: season and where it's headed. We're going to we're going 412 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: to get a taste of it. We're gonna get a 413 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: taste of it Monday night, but then it's going to 414 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: be in the coming weeks after that. Because the easiest, 415 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: the easiest time to bounce back instead, a new standard 416 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: is when you played your worst game yep, which is 417 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: what the Packers just did. They played their worst game 418 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: of the season on Sunday against Carolina. But then assuming 419 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: that that happens, which I believe it will, then what 420 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: happens after that, So. 421 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: It's not always about the wins or the loss is 422 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: not to jump over you there, but it is. I mean, 423 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: you go back to twenty sixteen, Packers got it handed 424 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: to them by Washington, but yet it still felt after 425 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 2: that game with Jared Cook coming back, it just kind 426 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: of felt like things were changing. And then the next 427 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 2: week they came and had a really virtuoso performance against 428 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: coincidentally the Philadelphia Eagles, and that started the whole run 429 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: the table thing. 430 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. 431 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: And it's not even just saying you gotta win eight 432 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: games in a row or anything crazy like that. My 433 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: point is is that you need to have it where 434 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: you have that rock, that foundation, that solidarity, that we 435 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: now have the confidence that we're gonna go out there 436 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: and it's not just rolling the dice, that we're gonna 437 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: go out there and impose our will and we're gonna 438 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: play our brand of football. That's where the Packers are 439 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: still this particular team is trying. 440 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: To get Yeah, yeah, I agree. We'll pay some bills 441 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: here quickly with a word from our sponsors. 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In the Minnesota Vikings by virtue 460 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: of a big, big road victory over the Lions, Minnesota 461 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: is at four and four. So once again we are 462 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: back at the stage in the NFC North where no 463 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: one is below five hundred and it becomes anyone's division again. 464 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: And then when you look around at the rest of 465 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: the conference, Philadelphia, the Rams, the Seahawks, the Buccaneers are 466 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: all six and two. San Francisco is six and three, 467 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: Carolina is five and four. Those are two teams that 468 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: have not had their bye week yet, so they have 469 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: nine games under their belt. But when you add it 470 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: all up, there are nine teams in the NFC right 471 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: now with either five or six victories. I mean, there's 472 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: still a long way to go, you know, roughly half 473 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: the season, however you want to look at it. But 474 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: but man, oh man, it's there's still so much out 475 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: in front of everybody, right and and yes, at the 476 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: end of the day, as I said in Monday's Insider Inbox, 477 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: this loss to Carolina was a massive missed opportunity for 478 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: the Packers on a weekend when the Detroit Lions got beat. Yeah, 479 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 1: so it was a massive missed opportunity. But you have 480 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: to forget, you have to forget all of it, put 481 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: it all aside because there are nine games to go 482 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: here and this both the race and the NFC North 483 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: and the NFC in general is as tight as it gets. 484 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. And my biggest point is, Mike, you and I 485 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: both had to answer our own fair share of incenter 486 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: inbox questions already this week. And my message to Packer 487 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: fans right now is to chill out. Some Packer fans 488 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 2: need to chill out this. You talk about being on 489 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: a roller coaster, and that's fine. Up and down, it happens. 490 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: Packers are five to two and one still at the 491 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: end of the day, if you want to see what 492 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: a bad football team is like, there's plenty of examples 493 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: out there for you to five. Packer fans gotta get 494 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: some balance here, bro, because we are one week away, 495 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: one week removed from Jordan Love is the greatest quarterback ever, 496 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 2: and the Packers are the best team ever, and they're 497 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: gonna win the Super Bowl and they're gonna win every game 498 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: the rest of the season. And we didn't need or 499 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers to all the garbage that sifted into my 500 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: inbox and I've had to read for the last thirty 501 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: six hours. You want to see what's going around the league, 502 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: look at what happened with the Detroit Lions on Sunday. 503 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: It's not that they lost to Minnesota. It's that they've 504 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: had a completely Jeckyll and Hyde running game that at 505 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: times looks dominant and at times gets no traction. JJ 506 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: McCarthy threw for one hundred and forty three passing yards 507 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 2: in that game. Justin Jefferson didn't even hurt them. Aaron 508 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: Jones and Jordan Mason did. Yeah, mistakes did. It is 509 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: tough week in and week out to just run through everybody, 510 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who the opponent is. Do the Packers 511 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 2: got to do better? Yes, because exactly what you just said, 512 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: it is an extremely tight NFC race from the top 513 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: to who potentially could be that number seven seed. But 514 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: my goodness, man, every single time the Packers lose or 515 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: there's a setback, or there's an interception, or you're not 516 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: happy with the throw or the play call, people just 517 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: completely losing their minds on social media. You may not 518 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: realize this, but I remember everything I see all those 519 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: things that I don't just start on to the next 520 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: game and forget about it. We have to move forward. 521 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: And it's not just one game. The Packers have already 522 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: played eight games. If you take that approach, every single week, win, lose, 523 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: er in one case tie, there's nothing to be able 524 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 2: to grab onto anymore. Disappointment is fine. There's nothing wrong 525 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: with disappointment. I get it. I was a Brewers fan 526 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: growing up. I understand disappointment, my friends. But the Packers 527 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: could easily win this game against the Eagles, and the 528 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 2: only thing that matters then is how they play against 529 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: the Giants. 530 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Right, And that's the thing now where it's where, Yes, 531 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity was lost against the Panthers. It's extremely frustrating, 532 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: especially in a home game, to see the team perform 533 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: like that. And I'm not discounting that, but in this 534 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: marathon of an NFL season, it's all about it's all 535 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: about how you respond. How do you? I mean you 536 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: have to respond in games, and you have to respond 537 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: after games on a week to week basis in this league. 538 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the Detroit Lions right now are talking about 539 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: are talking about how in the world did we turn 540 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: the ball? Over three or four times, whatever it was, 541 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: playing at home against the division rival. You can't do 542 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: that and win, right. The Indianapolis Colts, who were riding 543 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: on you on top of the world there, you know, 544 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: they went into Pittsburgh where the Packers went in in 545 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: primetime and got a victory in high stakes and you know, 546 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: ultra hyped game and whatnot. The Indianapolis Colts took their 547 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: seven and one record into Pittsburgh and started turning the 548 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: football over. They started making mistakes. I mean, whether you're 549 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: talking turnovers or penalties or missed blocks or you know, whatever, 550 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. It's just it's what makes 551 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: winning consistently in this league so difficult to do so now. 552 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: And it's just it puts you in different spots over 553 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: the course of a season, right. I mean the spot 554 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: the Packers are in now is is okay, it's it's 555 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: recovery mode. It's bounce back mode and get back to 556 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: get back to being who you are. But then also know, 557 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: the lesson that has to be learned from the Carolina 558 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: game is that if you get into a game where 559 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: you're not able to play the way you want to play, 560 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: you still got to find a way to win it, 561 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: and that's what they that's what they didn't do. So 562 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: if they can, if they can learn that lesson, and 563 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's against you know, the Giants or 564 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: the Ravens toward the end of the year, or when 565 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: they go out to Denver to play the Broncos, if 566 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: they get if they get into a game where they're 567 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: not they're not able to play the way they want 568 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: to play. But you're sitting there in a one score 569 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: game in the fourth quarter, it's like, figure it out 570 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: and find a way to win it and then you 571 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: can work on all the other stuff later. That's the 572 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: opportunity that got away from him against the Panthers, and 573 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: hopefully that's the lesson learned that the next opportunity they 574 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: can figure it out and then they're not sitting here 575 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: taking another you know, taking another tally mark in the 576 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: lost CAUP. 577 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: Just to bring it through this really quickly, you had 578 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals dispatch the Dallas Cowboys twenty seven to seventeen. 579 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: Questions now and whether or not Jacoby Brissett should be 580 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 2: the starting quarterback they're moving forward. 581 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: I said that after the Packers played. After that, I mean, 582 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: I thought what Jacoby Brissett did in those back to 583 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: back games, the one before playing the Packers, and then 584 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: how he looked playing against the Packers. I thought, I thought, yeah, 585 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: it looks like it looks like Arizona's got a better 586 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: quarterback in their backup than they do in their starter. 587 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: But that's me. 588 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills defeated the Kansas City Chiefs twenty eight, 589 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: twenty one. The Chiefs now at four losses five and 590 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: four on the season. You look over and the Bears 591 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: game against the Bengals when you talk about fine lines 592 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: the fact that the Bears gave up a ton of 593 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: production to Joe Flacco that entire offense, but found a 594 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: way to win because of the issues that Cincinnati's defense 595 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: is having. First time, I think, what was it since 596 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six an offense has scored over thirty five 597 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: or forty points in back to back weeks and lost 598 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: both of those games. This is the plight of the NFL. 599 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons played the seven and two now seven 600 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: and two New England Patriots really tough. Michael Pennix played well, 601 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: Drake London played well. It didn't matter. They still lost. 602 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: You were saying earlier today in one of our conversations 603 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: you and I were having, especially in the modern day 604 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: with the expanded playoff formats, it's about playing well at 605 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: the end of the season. Right now is about gathering 606 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 2: as many victories as you can. And for the Packers, 607 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: they needed that one that would have got into six wins. 608 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: You had to edit inbox on Saturday. I rode in there. 609 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: That's the only goal is to get that six win 610 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: and the conduit for that was going to be the 611 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers. That is out of the question. Now now 612 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: can you get it against the Philadelphia Eagles? 613 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 614 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: When after? When after? When brings you to the dance 615 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: and then you hope that you have your best team 616 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: at that time and we have a long long way 617 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: to go. 618 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that we get. Where I see the Packers 619 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: at right now is they have a lot of stuff 620 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: to figure out. There's a lot of time still to 621 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: do that. But now the added challenge has been thrown 622 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: in of doing that without one of your best offensive 623 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: players in Tucker Craft. 624 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: So just the biggest thing to come out of last 625 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: weekend win or lose. 626 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: The task got harder. The task is obvious, but the 627 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: task now also got harder, so how are they going 628 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: to respond to it? And we will talk more about 629 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: that and about the Eagles, the six and two Philadelphia Eagles, 630 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: the defending Super Bowl champs coming to lambeau Field on 631 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: our next show in a couple of days, But for now, 632 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers 633 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: Unscript and be sure to continue following all of our 634 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: coverage of the team on Packers dot com. For West, 635 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will 636 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: see you next time.