1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Front Office Unfiltered with FT resident GM Jim Bowden, also 2 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: host of the new GM Territory Go checkout episode number two. 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: But JB, let's start with all of the activity today 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: and marcel A Zuna to the Pirates, feel free to 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: join in on the debate that we've got going on here. 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: What do you think about this move and do you 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: think there could be one more move left in the 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Pirates here? 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that the Pirates are trying. You know, 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: we've talked about that before. I mean the fact they're 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: going to try to add some offense. Look, you've got 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: four years left of Paul Skins. If you keep them 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: for the six years, try to win while you have him. Right, 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: You've got Connor Griffin who's another generational talent like Paul Skins, 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: and he could be in the big leagues this year. 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: So you've got some really bright spots coming here, So 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: take advantage of it and do what you have to 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: do within your financial parameters to try to win. And 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: for the first time since Ben Cherrington has been the 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: GM of the Pirates, they're having an offseason where they're trying. 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: You know, Brandon Loue comes in the trade with Tampa. 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: That's a thirty home run bat if he can stay healthy. 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: They're bringing Ryan O'Hearn, who had the best year of 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: his career last year. Now, I'm guessing with the Ozuna 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: signing today, o'hearne, w'll play right and I'll move Brian 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 2: Reynolds back to left. That would be my guess, since 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: O'Hearn's not going to dach now that a Zun is there. 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: But look, as long as Ozuna is hips, okay, he 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: should still be able to hit at twenty twenty five 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: and drive in some some big runs for them. So look, 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: I like the fact they're trying. I like the fact 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: they're making progress. I would have liked them have been 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: able to sign Uenniosuarez or trade Freesock Paradus in upgrade 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: third base. I don't think they should be done, but 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: I like where they are and I think they're relevant again, 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: and I think that's good for baseball. 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: They are relevant, but wouldn't one more move? Just look nice, Jim, 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: just so, I mean, just one more you can find 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: you are a GM you can go to if you're 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: Ben Sherrington, you can go to Bob Nutting and say, look, 41 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: Bob we're here. We need ten million dollars to get 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: us over the finish line, to really give us a 43 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: chance to get to the postseason, really really excite our fans. 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: Drive those people come in to the games, drive the 45 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: people watch, and drive the everything that they need to 46 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: make up that ten million dollars. I'm not saying it's 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: ESAC parades, but find somebody out there that that last 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: move that people say, Okay, we can actually really compete 49 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: now for the playoffs. 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think Ben Charrington's trying to 51 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 2: do that. I mean he has been engaged quite a 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: bit with Data Brown, the general manager of Houston for parade. 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: It's just like Boston has been. They haven't matched up, 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: but they keep having discussions. So he's out there trying 55 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: and look up, be surprised if he doesn't end up 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: at some point upgrading at third base. And you don't 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: necessarily have to spend money. You know, you can go 58 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: get a bat that you know maybe becomes excess in 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: other spot. But I agree, you don't stop. Now. They've 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: done a really good job this offseason, and you keep 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: the pedal of the metal. You don't stop. But I 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: like the fact they've added a little bit of depth here. 63 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: I mean, because I like Garcia, the outfielder they got 64 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: from the Red Sox in an earlier trade. This winner, 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: and so now with O'Hearn and Cruz and Reynolds. Now 66 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: with O'Hearn in the outfield, with Ozuna dhing it gives 67 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: you a little bit of depth to to help prepare 68 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: for injuries, which is extremely important. And I think Connor 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: Griffin's the guy that's going to move the needle, you guys. 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: I mean, let's be realistic. I know everyone's gonna go, oh, 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: he's nineteen years old, so is Bryce Harper. 72 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 4: Just stop it. 73 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: Connor Griffin's that guy. He's the teenager that can actually 74 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: get to this level and hold his own. I'm not 75 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: saying he's gonna win Rookie of the Year and be 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: the superstar, but I think he probably can hold his own. 77 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: This guy's got great back to ball skills. He's got speed, 78 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 2: he's got power, he's a hitter, you know, foul pole, 79 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: the foul pole, and you know he could be a 80 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 2: huge ference maker for them. But to your point, yeah, 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: keep going, aj keep going. 82 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: Has a huge difference maker. 83 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: Is it six weeks that the Pirates have right now 84 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: not to make a decision on Connor Griffin, but to 85 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: extend him. Do you think there's talks in Pittsburgh because 86 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: the purse strings. 87 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 5: Have been opened? 88 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: And if you do, what's that money look like for 89 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: Connor Griffin before he ever sets a foot in the 90 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 3: big leagues? 91 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he'll break records. I mean that's what 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: it'll look like. It'll be like nothing you've seen before. 93 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: You know that the days of signing the Akunya Albi's 94 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: deals are behind us. If I had to give a 95 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: comp of what it would look like, to be more specific, Eric, 96 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Jackson Urio contract on steroids. 97 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a big one on ster Like what does 98 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: that mean on steroids? 99 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 5: Like? 100 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: What are we talking more then Jackson than Churio got? Yeah, 101 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: and the Pirates with the pirates lay that out though, 102 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: because they've just got to a hundred with Brian Reynolds. 103 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: Would they lay that out there for a guy that 104 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: hasn't really proven it? 105 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think the ownership would do that, 106 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: but that's what they should do. I mean, you want 107 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: to get schemes in conquer Griffin before they do it once, 108 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: they do it, good luck. That's when it gets the hardest. 109 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: You need to sign these guys when you're taking on 110 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: just as much risk or more as they are. That's 111 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: when you have to get these deals done or you can't. 112 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: I mean, look at what the what the Reds offered 113 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: La Da La Cruz, which was north of what Joey 114 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: Vado got. They were gonna make them the highest paid 115 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: Red ever. La Dayla Cruz turned it down. I mean, 116 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: but that's what it's gonna take if you if you 117 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: want to sign Connor Griffin, that's what it's gonna take. Now, 118 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: do I think the ownership in Pittsburgh is gonna have 119 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: an appetite to take that kind of risk and gamble 120 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: and commit that kind of money. Yep, I probably don't, 121 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: but that is the right play in this marketplace. 122 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Hey, JB, your thoughts on you know what? Oh sorry here, 123 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: I am Andrew McCutcheon. Could you know do at this point, like, 124 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: do you think, yes, he's going to want to field 125 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: an offer from another team? 126 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 4: What do you have on cut here? 127 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? I just think the way the whole thing was handled. 128 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: I mean, he's been the face of the franchise. He 129 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: wasn't dealt with with respect, and I think that's just 130 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: really sad. You know, if you're not going to bring 131 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: the player back, then I think in September you have 132 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: the conversation, offer him and Andrew McCutcheon day, give him 133 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: an opportunity to retire, and if he doesn't, still give 134 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: give him a day, but to have these kind of 135 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: feelings afterwards, and look, and mccutche it's a Pittsburgh guy. 136 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: His family lives there, right, He's in that community. He 137 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: is beloved in that community. You know, I still think 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: i'd bring him back. If I were Ben Sherrington, I'd 139 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: offer him a one year deal to be a depth play. 140 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: You know, if a Zuni gets hurt or you get 141 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: injury out there, you know, to have him as your 142 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: twenty sixth guy and let him know this this will 143 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: be it. You know, I probably would have done that. 144 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's going to find another home. 145 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: His best play might be to have a press conference, 146 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: retire and let the Pirates honor him and have an 147 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: Andrew mccutchon day and do that. 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We're probably not gonna bring 173 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: him back based on or is that not something that's 174 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: on your radar And you're just like, hey, we're just 175 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: trying to We're trying to do what we can each day. 176 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: Because it feels like they did cuts dirty. But I 177 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: also understand from the pirates sense like they're like, he's 178 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: not good enough to be on this team, or we 179 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: didn't need to offer him as much as we did. 180 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: Marcelo Zuna, I think you owe it too. I think 181 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: a player like Andrew McCutcheon is different than most players. 182 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: I think when you when he gave the kind of 183 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: service time he did to Pittsburgh and when he meant 184 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: to the organization for the amount of years that it was, 185 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: you owe him that. And if you get to a 186 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: point where you're not sure he can help you anymore, 187 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: you just be straight up with the player and let 188 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: him know, or you know, sit down and let him know. Say, look, 189 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: we'll offer you one year, four million. That's how we 190 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: value you. We're not going to get more. If you 191 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: want to retire, we get it. If you want to 192 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: come back, we'd love you to finish your career in Pittsburgh. 193 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: If you do come back, this is gonna be your 194 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,239 Speaker 2: last year here. I mean, just communicate, be honest, be transparent, 195 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: be up front. But you know ahead of time. This 196 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: is not something that as a GM you're living day 197 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: by day and seeing what happens. You know what the 198 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: player is, you know what he can still do, you 199 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: know what he can't do. You know his age, you 200 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: know the decline, you know all of those issues. Just 201 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: be honest with the player, because the relationship with the 202 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: player isn't just as a player. It should be a 203 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: relationship you have with him years and years after playing. 204 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: He should be a guy that's always involved in the 205 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: Pirate organization, whether it be in the front office or 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: in the community or charities are coming back for you know, 207 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: different reunions. The relationship with a player like McCutcheon is very, 208 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: very important to the Pirates long and short term. 209 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 5: Agree. 210 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: I just feel like I should have done the Wakefield 211 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: thing where they hey, you get one year, five million 212 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 3: for as long as you want to take in. We'll 213 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: figure out the roster and we'll figure out a spot. 214 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: Because the Red Sox did it and they were still 215 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: competitive and they were able to to let Tim come 216 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: and pitch, you know, for those years. So I just 217 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: feel like that was one of those ones that they 218 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: it's a pr mess. But he should not play for 219 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: another team, I mean, unless he just absolutely wants to 220 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: play no matter what. It's just I mean, I know 221 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: he's already played for some other teams, but to me, 222 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: he should end his career as a Pirate and go 223 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: into the Pirates Hall of Fame and be around. Like 224 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: you said, Jim, so, I totally agree with you on 225 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: this one. Now, let's go to another team in that division, 226 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: the Brewers. Caleb Durban had a nice year for him. 227 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: Was this just straight up Caleb Durban and Monasterio because 228 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: they wanted the pitching they got back from the Red 229 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: Sox because this one, I mean, Durbin's controllable for a 230 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: long time. Do they just need a pitcher? 231 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 5: Do they need they? 232 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: Did they like to return that much that they had 233 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: to give up a piece that was really good for 234 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: him last year? 235 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 236 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: I reached out to Matt Arnold this morning. I'd not 237 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: heard back from him. Caleb Durban was the best player 238 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: that was in this trade. He's gonna be the starting 239 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: third baseman for the Red Sox. I know Craig Breslo 240 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: came out and said second or third base, but like 241 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: Brendan Donovan in Seattle, the plan at least initially is 242 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: to play third base, which makes sense kind of where 243 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: they are. Then Meyer can play second or Gonzales can 244 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: play second if Meyer's wrist is okay, but that's where 245 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: that's gonna play. I was kind of taken aback a 246 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: little bit when I heard the news, only because I've 247 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: never seen Kyle Harrison with control and command. I've seen 248 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: the arm, I see, I see everything. I just don't 249 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: know if it's going to get there. But you know, 250 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: the one thing that really hit me again today is 251 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: he's twenty four years old. That's it been around a 252 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: long time, but he's still only twenty four and left 253 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: handed and with that kind of arm. So, you know, 254 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: do you have people in your pitching room that you 255 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: can improve the secondary pitches? Can you improve the delivery, 256 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: the release point? Can you improve the command and control? 257 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: I mean if my pitching people think they can, you know, 258 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: I had to trade Peralta firs bro you never get 259 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: enough starting pitching, and look the Brewers stock pilot. My 260 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: guess is going to be that they think Harrison eventually, 261 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: whether it be in a year or two, can become 262 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: a guy. And look, I remember way back when I 263 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: had a pitcher by the name of Pete Shirrick. I 264 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: claimed him on waivers from the New York Mets, and 265 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: he didn't have command and control. The velo was a 266 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: little bit down. And then my pitching coach at the time, 267 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: Don Gullet, made some adjustments and I was needing a 268 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: starting pitcher, and I flew into Pittsburgh to scout Zane 269 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: Smith at the time, and I always tell the story 270 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: that I went to Pittsburgh to scout Zane Smith and 271 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: I came back with my own Pete Shirrick, because all 272 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: of a sudden the pitching people made adjustments with him. 273 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: He finished second in Cy Young Award the next year 274 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: and he was a waiverclaim. And so Kyle Harrison at 275 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: this age, is it possible that they maybe have the 276 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: secret formula. That's the only thing I can think of now. 277 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: That being said, the other thing to keep in mind 278 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: is is that they do have, you know, guys coming 279 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: in the system. Pratt and Fisher made is going to 280 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: be a superstar, but he's a couple of years away, 281 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: but he's going to be a star. And the other 282 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: thing is you could put or Tease the third. You 283 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: could move Tang from second to short and play Jet 284 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: Williams at second base. 285 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 5: Or you could leave. 286 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: Terrag at second, put Jet at short with or Tea's 287 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: at third. So you know, the Jet Williams trade may 288 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: have made them believe that Durbin was kind of expendable. Perhaps, 289 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: but you know, I look at Durbin kind of like 290 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: I looked at Brendan Donovan. I think he's a very 291 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: useful player who plays above his tools. You know, he's 292 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: five to seven, but he doesn't chase out of his zone. 293 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: He keeps the bat in the zone. You know, he's 294 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: dirty by the by the national anthem, and can play second, 295 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: third and a few positions. So I liked I like 296 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: to pick up for Boston Alo. I will say this, 297 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: Rafael Devers, what did you get back for Devers? Ose Bayo? 298 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: Now? 299 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god, they got rid of money. They got 300 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: rid of money. Speaking of money, the Brewers haven't spent 301 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: any I get it. They got you know, they got 302 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: big Wu back on a higher price. Maybe they didn't 303 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: think he was gonna come back on that on the 304 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: qualifying offer, but. 305 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 4: Third base is open. 306 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 3: Leave Tang at second where he won a Platinum glove, 307 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: and they said, hey, we're not moving him the short 308 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: because he's so good at second. Does this open up 309 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: in an East Sat Parades type of move for them 310 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: because they haven't spent any money, not at all. 311 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: No, because that's not a Matt Arnold kind of player. 312 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: He's not athletic enough, uh, not good enough defensively to 313 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: play over there. You know, Matt Arnold like these likes 314 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: these athletes that have range. You know, he's really big 315 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: on athletes and gloves, and Paradis just doesn't doesn't fit 316 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: that for them. So yeah, I haven't heard Paradis there 317 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: at all. And the other thing to keep in mind, 318 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: you know Dana Brown the GM, and I know he's 319 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: on the last year of his contract, as is his manager, 320 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: Joe Espada, and he has been out there. But keep 321 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: in mind, the Astros also understand they have a lot 322 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: of play on this team that are high injury risk. 323 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: Christian Walker, Jose l Tuovey, Jordan Alvarez, Carlos Correa, all 324 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: of them are high injury risk. And you gotta think 325 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: that probably one of them is going to be on 326 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: the injury list most of the year, at least one 327 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: of them at a time. So as much as Paradis 328 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: looks like depth, really look like depth on opening day. 329 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: That's a question that I would ask, and alvaresk, you know, look, 330 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: he really does need a DH here. So what Houston 331 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: was trying to do is they were trying to trade 332 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: Paradis to fill left field, and if they could have 333 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: done a package to get Jared Duran from Boston, that 334 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: would have made sense. So if it was Paradis and 335 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: some prospects for Duran, then they put Duran and left 336 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: Alvarez at DH, with Kore at third, Walker at first, 337 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: al two veh and second. That's kind of what they 338 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: were trying to do. But they don't have to move 339 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: Paradis because of money that they're where they want to be, 340 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: where the owner wants to be budget wise, So it's 341 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: not like they're trying to move him. They're just trying 342 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: to move them that they can find a better fit 343 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: and help them win more games. 344 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So for Boston JB, they essentially choose Durban over 345 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: Parades and I just want to go through Durbin stat 346 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: cast page to try and get a glimpse of how 347 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: front offices view a player like this. 348 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: I think some. 349 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: Brewers fans are like, whoa, we traded him in five seconds. 350 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: That's a pretty unique baseball savant page. Right, there's tons 351 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: of blue that are in the bottom percentiles, and then 352 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: there's some red that is way up there. And just 353 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: for our podcast crowd, I'll just lay out a few 354 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: parts here, JB. But his expected stats like batting average, 355 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: slung on base pretty low right, exit v low barrel percentage, 356 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: hard hit percentage, batspeed like towards the bottom of the sport, 357 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: but then squared up percentage chase percentage with percentage strike 358 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: our percentage. 359 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 4: So he makes contact. 360 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: But this was something that was talked about when he 361 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: was a player in the Yankee system. 362 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 4: The Yankees love the reverse of this, right, JB. 363 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: They're looking for these big power masters, spatspeed, exit, velo 364 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: makes sense he moves to the Brewers. If the Brewers 365 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: say no to a player like this, do you think 366 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: there's any reasoning for teams? You know, and their front 367 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: offic is not believing in the metrics. 368 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: So the metrics tell the truth, right, they do science, 369 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: it's being measured, so you know what you're reading is accurate. 370 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 2: You know. I think Jim Leland, the Hall of Fame manager, 371 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, would always call a player like Durbin or 372 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: he's just a baseball player. I can win with him. 373 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: He's a baseball player, and you know, you can't have 374 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: a team filled with the Durbans. But that's that extra 375 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: piece that sits there and makes the plays defensively, takes 376 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: the extra base, throws a nice throw on a cutoff play, 377 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: gets a good secondary lead. It's just a guy that 378 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: knows how to play the game and is tough and 379 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: helps players around them the way the energy that he 380 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: brings to the ballpark every day. So he's got a 381 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: lot of intangibles. And you know, I think front officers 382 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: like the fact he doesn't chase, like the fact that 383 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: he squares it up. You know, we've seen a lot 384 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: of guys that you know, don't do well and stat 385 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: cast numbers right in general, guys that don't have good 386 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 2: bat speed but still win batting titles like Lewis Arise. 387 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: I mean, those guys are out there, so you just 388 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: have to interpret it. You know. To me, when I 389 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: look at Durban, I look at him as a really 390 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: good extra player on a championship team. I look him 391 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 2: as that fifth infielder type, right, That's kind of how 392 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: I view him. I kind of view him as like 393 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: a poor man's Brendan Donovan, you know, not Brendan Donovan, 394 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: because he's more of a you know, traffic guy at 395 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: the top of the lineup. But he's a winning player, 396 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: and you know, I can see why Boston wanted him, 397 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: and I don't think that they wanted him over Paradis. 398 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: They wanted him over the trade cost. What they would 399 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: have had to give up for Paradus was significantly more 400 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: than what they gave up here. I mean, they realized 401 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: they blew the Devs trade. Right. They don't think Harrison's 402 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: gonna get command and control, and they don't think the 403 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 2: other guy's got a good arm. Same thing, right, They 404 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: neither one of those guys out of control. And so 405 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: I think they feel like, you know, here's a quality 406 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: guy as they wait for you know, Marcelo Meyer to develop, 407 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: or you know, they wait for their other young prospects 408 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: to get ready. I don't think he's an answer that's gonna, 409 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: you know, really move the needle. Outside of he as 410 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: an Alex Cora type player Alex core Will know how 411 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: to get the most out of Durban. 412 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: Red Sox fans thought this was the time the Red 413 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: Sox were going to push all in and this is 414 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: most likely their last move of the offseason. And even 415 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: Craig Reslo said, when we go get pitching, we're looking 416 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: for a one or two to go behind Garrett Crochet. 417 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: They just they just kind of tickled around the the 418 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: decisions that it feels like they didn't quite push all 419 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 3: the way in. Like you said, the price for the 420 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: trade was too much, the price for a Frambert Valdez 421 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: was too much. It always just seemed like they came 422 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 3: up with a reason not to make the big move. 423 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: Did they fail this off seat or did they just 424 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: kind of meddle in the middle. 425 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think they did a good job with the pitching, right, 426 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I do like the blend of Sunny Gray 427 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: and Ranger Suarez after Crochet and the rotation, and they're 428 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: now seven eight deep in starters, bullpen strong, So I 429 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: think from a pitching perspective, they're in a good place. 430 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: I think their outfield defense is in a really good place, 431 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: and offense, you know, I'm a little bit concerned about 432 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: the infield, you know, with an aging Trevor story. The 433 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: other thing to me, though, is they're just missing that 434 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: big bat. I mean, I don't know if there's a 435 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 2: way they could trade for a Rafael Oh sorry I couldn't. 436 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: Maybe they could sign an Alex Sorry didn't mean to 437 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: do that, but I think that's what they're missing. They're 438 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: missing a big bat. So you know you're looking at 439 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: this lineup now, is Contraras's a cleanup hit or now 440 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: with a bray you hitting fifth? Is that kind of 441 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: where they're going? I just I feel like the bottom 442 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: third of the lineup is going to be a challenge 443 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: and you're in a really tough division when you got Toronto, 444 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: the Yankees, and the Orioles, all of whom have way 445 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: better offenses than you do. So as much as I 446 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: love their outfield, I do love their pitching, I just 447 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: don't know if their offense is lethal enough to win. 448 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: I don't think they've done enough on the offensive side 449 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: of their team. 450 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are on 451 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: the same page with that one, waiting for Boston do 452 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: something else, but it appears they won't. 453 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 4: At this point. They had NOOKI votes, Oh you really 454 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: want to go back? 455 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Okay, we're playing that game today on a Monday. 456 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 4: Hey, JB, happy baseball season too. 457 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 5: You. 458 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: I know you put the tweet out and I always 459 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: look for it. Right Football's done, We're moving on. We're 460 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: getting the photos and the videos of the stars over 461 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: at spring training, kind of getting going pitchers and catchers official, 462 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: I think later this week, and your show just launched. 463 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: It's only about a week old GM territory, so I 464 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: just want to tell everyone one more time. Second episode 465 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: is live right now in l West. Grades and notes 466 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: from the weekend, including JB breaking down more of these 467 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: deals with Jim. 468 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 4: And with Trey Bowden. 469 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: Check it out right now, go give that YouTube channel 470 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: subscribe please, approaching one thousand subs already and on the 471 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: podcast platforms as well. 472 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 4: Thank you, JB. Always a pleasure. We'll talk to you soon. 473 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: Appreciate you too, Leo. All right, the run continues for AJ. 474 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: We're looking for over under regular season win totals that 475 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: are not in the eighties. 476 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 4: We found one. 477 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: The Angels are barely in the seventies. Seventy and a 478 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: half wins over nice. That was very definitive. 479 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 5: There are seventy five win team this year? 480 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: You think they're a little better this year? 481 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: I think another year in net On, another year, Shannwell, 482 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: another year, Odell. I'll hope you'll have a better year 483 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: this year. I feel like he kind of got banged 484 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: up a little bit. I think they're pitching will be 485 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: a little bit better. No, rendon't to worry about trout. 486 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 5: See. 487 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: I think what is Christian Moore the second baseman be 488 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: there for the full year? 489 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: And also they won seventy two last year, so technically 490 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: they could be worse and still beat that. 491 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 5: At the hook's side, I think they'll be better. I 492 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 5: think they'll be. 493 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 4: Okay, wow, even to eighty I mean. 494 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: If it was, everything has to go right. 495 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 4: But I think, yeah, Grayson Rodriguez. 496 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 5: Grayson Rodriguez are guys going to hopefully pitch for him there? 497 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: Yep. 498 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 5: I mean they made some they made some smaller moves. 499 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: They have like all of these remember I use this 500 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: term earlier in the offseason. It kept happening krats the 501 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: replacements where it's like all these guys that had some 502 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: shine somewhere. 503 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 4: You remember we talked about that. 504 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like they got them a year 505 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: too late. 506 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Well, no, like they had a flash or they had 507 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: some success story in the past, and then they've gone 508 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: through a whole story of. 509 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: It was twenty eighteen, they would have just they would 510 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: have had the best team ever. 511 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 5: But it's twenty twenty six. 512 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: Right, It's like yeah, more like hey in twenty twenty 513 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: two or three or whatever. Right, all these guys have 514 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: had these flashes where I mean, Grayson Rodriguez, you know, 515 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: had his moment. Alec Manoa has had his moment the 516 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: core we're talking about. Course, Trout's had his moment for 517 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: a long time. Josh Lowe had his one year, right, 518 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: So some of those types that are in there. 519 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 4: But curious, where are you going wonder? 520 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: I mean, as much as I don't think Taylor Ward is, 521 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: you know, irreplaceable, that's a lot of Dingers. 522 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 5: They wanted more slug. They got rid of slug. 523 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 4: This year. 524 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 3: They have to figure out the whole Jorge Solaire, keeping 525 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: Mike Trout healthy. Joe adell Is probably gonna have a 526 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 3: little more value a few less homers this year because 527 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: he's not gonna have to play center field. I think 528 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: they're gonna have low playing center field and he and 529 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 3: Joe Adele was one of the worst defensive center fielders. 530 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: So I think there's things that are good, but I 531 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: also think there's things that are bad. 532 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: It's just what you were saying. 533 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: I love Grayson Rodriguez, but there's too many We got 534 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: this one shot. We got to be able to throw 535 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: this dart and hit a bullseye. With the Minoa signing, 536 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: we gotta be able to, you know, hit just this 537 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: perfect line. And I just feel like it's too much 538 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 3: in a division, that it's too much uncertainty in a 539 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 3: division where there's got to be some unders. And I 540 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: don't like the A's under. I don't like the Astros under. 541 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: I don't like the Rangers are just kind of there. 542 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: I'm okay with where they're at, and the Mariners are better, 543 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 3: so under. 544 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 4: I'm under too. 545 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 5: I think their bullpen's better, though too. 546 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 3: Palm Erant, Kirby Yates, your boys suitor Stevenson Hope was healthy, 547 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: Jordan Romano's there. I mean, I think their bullpen's better 548 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: than what it's been in the past. I think Kakuchi 549 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: can have a nice year of Grayson pitches. Soriano's sneaky good, 550 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: he's good, he's sneaky good. 551 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 552 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: I mean if Manoa can get you know, where he 553 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: needs to be, maybe he can help. 554 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 5: Him a little bit. But I mean their lineup. 555 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: Listen, you go a Hobby Shannewell, Christian Moore, Mancatta, yeah, 556 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: netto Adele whoever plays center field, and then right if 557 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 3: it's Trout or Celeira. 558 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 5: I mean, that's not a bad lineup. It's not It's 559 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 5: not great, but it ain't bad. 560 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: Would you call it maybe a little below average? 561 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think I think they're gonna be if 562 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 5: they were last year. They're still hit the over. Are 563 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 5: they worse than the. 564 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 4: Me Yes? 565 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I think anger problem. They're the worst team in 566 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 3: the division. But that doesn't mean they're gonna lose a 567 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 3: hundred games. No, we don't need them to lose a hundred. 568 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: Do what they did last year and they hit over. 569 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 3: They just do what they did last year. Just do it, Angels, 570 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 3: just do what you did last year. 571 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 5: I don't think the A's are going to be as bad. 572 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 3: They're not gonna have that. They're going to figure out 573 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 3: how to not have an awful May and the Astros 574 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: might be the same. And I think the Rangers are 575 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 3: going to be better. I just think there's just too many, 576 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 3: too many games to play within the division for a 577 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: team that didn't. 578 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 5: Do enough to solidify themselves. 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