Speaker 1: Guys, you're not gonna believe this. Len forgot to hit record,
Speaker 1: which is actually insane because it's like his one.
Speaker 2: Job, I joggle a lot of repossibilities.
Speaker 1: We've gotten through two thirds of the episode and now
Speaker 1: we have to do it all again. So taking it
Speaker 1: from the top, let's see if I can even remember.
Speaker 3: What I said.
Speaker 2: I think you can do it.
Speaker 1: Just because it's the same every time doesn't mean it's effortless.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Haunting.
Speaker 1: I'm your ghost host with the most Theresa, and I'm
Speaker 1: joined in studio by my familiar Merlin and our useless
Speaker 1: producer liability really Len, Today, we've got quite an unsettling
Speaker 1: story for you from our friend Darren. Oh, it's just
Speaker 1: the male the interruptions today, it's like people forget we're
Speaker 1: making art here, Just roll the tape.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I believe. I'm not a religious
Speaker 3: person at all, but I do consider myself very open.
Speaker 3: The only way that I could explain it is that
Speaker 3: it's like the first love thermodynamics, energy is neither created
Speaker 3: nor destroyed. Our consciousness is energy, so maybe when we
Speaker 3: die that energy continues on or changes into something else.
Speaker 3: My name is Darren. I'm a touring musician in a
Speaker 3: band called Phantom Planet, and I'm pretty sure I spoke
Speaker 3: to my grandfather through Luigi Burg multiple times after he
Speaker 3: passed away. I was in eighth grade and I met
Speaker 3: this kid in one of my classes named Corey. He
Speaker 3: and I became good friends pretty quickly. I would go
Speaker 3: to this place all the time. Six months later, he
Speaker 3: invited me to his house for his birthday. His house
Speaker 3: was pretty small. There was like a main living room,
Speaker 3: dining room, kitchen, two bedrooms where were hanging out goofing
Speaker 3: around as we would normally do. Eventually, we went into
Speaker 3: his game room and on the highest shelf he had
Speaker 3: a Wiji board. He mentioned that the Wiji board was
Speaker 3: his grandmothers who had died in that room, and it
Speaker 3: was more of like an antique, so that added to
Speaker 3: the mystique. We took it down and took it into
Speaker 3: the dining room and set it on the table. Corey
Speaker 3: and I both had our fingers on the pointer or
Speaker 3: plant chet. I look at Corey, I'm like, don't fuck
Speaker 3: with me because he's frankster and I knew that going
Speaker 3: into it. He's like, I swear I'm not going to.
Speaker 3: I decided that I would ask the questions because when
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I had tried your word before,
Speaker 3: but nothing really happened. I felt comfortable sort of like
Speaker 3: asking questions. The first thing I asked, is anybody there?
Speaker 3: There was maybe ten fifteen seconds of waiting, and it
Speaker 3: just started answering. It spelled out Sue. Corey looked at
Speaker 3: me and said, that's my grandmother. Her name was Sue.
Speaker 3: And then I said, do you have messages for us?
Speaker 3: It spelled out I love you. Corey looked at me
Speaker 3: and said she was saying I love you as she
Speaker 3: was dying. I thought Corey was messing with me. I
Speaker 3: looked at him, like, come on, man, I don't believe you.
Speaker 3: We ended up talking a little bit, just you know,
Speaker 3: asking basic questions. Eventually I said, are you in heaven?
Speaker 3: She said yes? I said are you happy there? And
Speaker 3: she said no. Corey and I kind of looked at
Speaker 3: each other and I'm like, that's kind of weird. And
Speaker 3: then she ended up spelling out that she missed her family.
Speaker 3: And then I said, what is it like in heaven?
Speaker 3: Can you prove you're there? Is there something physical you
Speaker 3: can do? She spelled out going into Corey's room in
Speaker 3: five minutes, which I thought was weird. I looked at Kory,
Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, man, you have to be messing
Speaker 3: with me, because I can't imagine if we're actually talking
Speaker 3: to a spirit here, that she's going to have a
Speaker 3: concept of like our time. That just doesn't sound right
Speaker 3: to me. I still think Corey's fuck with me, but
Speaker 3: I can see on his face he's starting to become
Speaker 3: a little apprehensive. He's a little confused. The two of
Speaker 3: us get up, We're just like, fuck it, let's do this,
Speaker 3: and he opens the door. When we entered Corey's room,
Speaker 3: we noticed that there was a mist in the room.
Speaker 3: It was hard to see through it. It was almost
Speaker 3: like smoke. It was just this thick fog in the room,
Speaker 3: no shape at all. It wasn't like a ghostly figure.
Speaker 3: Then we also noticed that it was very, very cold
Speaker 3: in the room. Like I made all the hairs on
Speaker 3: my arm stand up. The thermometer said sixty degrees. It
Speaker 3: was July. There wasn't an air conditioner in there, and
Speaker 3: it was hot outside it like the hottest point of summer.
Speaker 3: The rest of the house was definitely over ninety degrees,
Speaker 3: so it was like a thirty degree difference. Corey and
Speaker 3: I just look at each other in disbelief at what
Speaker 3: was going on. So we started screaming. As mom runs
Speaker 3: in the room. She looks and she's like, have you
Speaker 3: guys been lighting off fireworks in here? And Corey used
Speaker 3: to make fireworks, which is super dangerous. When we'd light
Speaker 3: them off, there was a lot of smoke, so we
Speaker 3: lit one off in the house. She was really pissed
Speaker 3: off at us. We had to calm her down. We're like, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: We had been using the Ouija board. We were talking,
Speaker 3: apparently to her mom. He died in the house. I
Speaker 3: asked her what heaven was like now the room is
Speaker 3: cold with this weird mist in it. She didn't really
Speaker 3: believe us, but she calmed down. She was like, all right,
Speaker 3: show me what's going on here. We moved the board
Speaker 3: into the living room and she sat down at the
Speaker 3: wag board with us. Corey's on one side of the
Speaker 3: couch and I'm on the other, and then his mom
Speaker 3: is sitting across the coffee table on the other side.
Speaker 3: We got back in touch with Sue, Corey's mom. She
Speaker 3: was asking questions just to see if we would get
Speaker 3: the answers right, and it was like you were on
Speaker 3: the phone. She was actually spelling up paragraphs to us.
Speaker 3: So eventually I'm just like, all right, well, are you
Speaker 3: here because it's Corey's birthday and the points are moved
Speaker 3: and highlighted. Yes, like are there other relatives? There is
Speaker 3: there someone else we could speak with? Yes, And then
Speaker 3: there was a pause. Ten or fifteen seconds passed, and
Speaker 3: then the planchette started moving more radically this time, like
Speaker 3: a different personality was coming through. I'm looking at Corey like,
Speaker 3: if you were making this up, you should win an award.
Speaker 3: Like it was amazing the way that everything changed. The
Speaker 3: first thing it says is high, and then it spelled
Speaker 3: out high you sons of bitches. I started laughing, got
Speaker 3: kind of nervous, and his mom looks at us. She's like, well,
Speaker 3: what did it spell out? I said it said hi,
Speaker 3: you sons of bitches, And she started laughing. She's like,
Speaker 3: wait a second, ask what his name is. We didn't
Speaker 3: even have to ask it. It responded to her voice
Speaker 3: with our fingers on the board, and it spelled out Jerry.
Speaker 3: She's like, that's uncle. He passed away when Corey was
Speaker 3: still a kid. She's like that was his personality. He
Speaker 3: called people sons of bitches or be like, hey, assholes,
Speaker 3: how you guys do it? I was always obsessed with
Speaker 3: ghosts and all that stuff, but I never saw anything.
Speaker 3: And then this was just like my moment of holy shit,
Speaker 3: there's something to this.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you sick little freaks can't keep your fingers
Speaker 1: off a Wiji board. I'm not complaining, you guys know,
Speaker 1: I love to gab. It's just funny when the thing
Speaker 1: you use to do a thing does the thing you
Speaker 1: use the thing to do, and you're like utterly shocked.
Speaker 1: Never mind, I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for,
Speaker 1: because once you on lisha Wiji board, that toothpaste is
Speaker 1: not going back in the tube. It's like the time
Speaker 1: I lead to Facebook photo of my algebra teacher as
Speaker 1: her for sona and everyone called her pemdas poodle for
Speaker 1: an entire semester. To be clear, no shades of the
Speaker 1: furry community. It's just her backtuffs were completely the uneven.
Speaker 1: Oh though, whatever, Darren will prove this point for me.
Speaker 3: Just wait.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, did anything good come in the
Speaker 1: mail today, Len, I'm expecting a pr kid from Miss
Speaker 1: Rigor Mortis. They do a mortuary, great foundation.
Speaker 3: I've been wanting to try.
Speaker 2: Amazy junk gunk junk. Oh, something from the Dandies.
Speaker 1: Did you just say the Damndies? The damn Dies are
Speaker 1: the Ambies for the damned duh, and the Andes are
Speaker 1: the Oscars of podcasts. To give me that dear Haunting team.
Speaker 1: Each year, the Damndes recognizes excellence in Purgatory's audible space,
Speaker 1: celebrating outstanding storytelling and its profound impact on the living
Speaker 1: and limbo communities. On behalf of the Academy, Haunting has
Speaker 1: been officially nominated for a Damndy Award, Oh my God,
Speaker 1: in the Producing category. We would like to invite the
Speaker 1: nominee Len to attend this event and celebrate his outstanding
Speaker 1: contributions to craft of audible storytelling. Fellow nominees include Love
Speaker 1: in Between six Feet, Blunder, Hans, You Should Know, and
Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Congratulations, you know what? Gosh, I
Speaker 1: think it's time for an ad break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Why does he get all the ad He doesn't do anything? Wow?
Speaker 1: I deserve a lot, we're back. You didn't throw to ads. Seriously, Len,
Speaker 1: you're actually so bad at this. I can't believe any organization,
Speaker 1: living or dead, thinks you are deserving of recognition. When
Speaker 1: I'm out here busting my ass and we're back, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming Len's in the driver's seat. I'm but an unwitting
Speaker 1: passenger on this endless red eye through this supernatural abyss.
Speaker 1: Guess it doesn't really matter what I say. It's not
Speaker 1: like anyone's listening. Lenn. Don't don't try to cheer me
Speaker 1: up right now. You wouldn't understand what this feels like
Speaker 1: to be constantly overlooked, overshadowed, your work, only acknowledged when
Speaker 1: you make a mistake. No appreciation, no respect. That's the
Speaker 1: cross eye Bear. I walk a lonely road, Len, It's
Speaker 1: the only one I've ever known. I don't know where
Speaker 1: it goes, but guess what it's home to me.
Speaker 2: Really, I'm grieving.
Speaker 1: Ah, let's just get back to Darryl Darren. That's what
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 3: Ten years later, I was twenty three, twenty four years old.
Speaker 3: I had a friend named Carlen who was kind of
Speaker 3: like an EmPATH, and she was very open to that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and we both had used Weedu words before,
Speaker 3: so we decided that it would be a cool idea
Speaker 3: for us to both try it because we both had
Speaker 3: these experiences with them. Also, I trusted her implicitly. I
Speaker 3: knew that she was going to mess with me. I
Speaker 3: went to Carlene's mom's place, thirty miles north of Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: She's like, all right, I have a wager word in
Speaker 3: my room. Let's go upstairs and get it out. We
Speaker 3: set the board on the floor in front of the TV,
Speaker 3: the board between us. We kind of set candles all around,
Speaker 3: just trying to create a mood. We get the whole
Speaker 3: thing set up, put our fingers on the plane chat.
Speaker 3: My first instinct was to contact my grandfather, whose name
Speaker 3: was don Or Donald, because he had passed away about
Speaker 3: three years prior. When he was alive, he and I
Speaker 3: used to talk about paranormal things, so I figured he
Speaker 3: would be the one to come through if anybody. He
Speaker 3: used to always tell me whenever I would ask about
Speaker 3: the Wiju board, He's like, Oh, they're real, don't ever
Speaker 3: use that. I think I just said, Dawn, are you here?
Speaker 3: It is very fast. It just moved over to yes,
Speaker 3: I said, I want you to prove that we're talking
Speaker 3: to you. Can you give us a message? The first
Speaker 3: thing he said was a Sam Lax drunk. So my
Speaker 3: first instinct was Sam, the bass player in my band.
Speaker 3: So Sam is at the airport and he's drunk. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: is he okay? It said, don't let him drive? I
Speaker 3: didn't know he was away. I tricked up the phone,
Speaker 3: tried calling him, couldn't reach him. At the time, Sam
Speaker 3: was living with Adam Lavigne now of Moroon five. But
Speaker 3: this is pre ruined. Five days when I couldn't reach Sam,
Speaker 3: I called at him, like they live together, so maybe
Speaker 3: he's with them, he answered, And I was kind of
Speaker 3: manic because I really wanted to make sure he was okay.
Speaker 3: And I said, are you with Sam? He's like no,
Speaker 3: I'm going to the airport and picking him up. I'm like, cool,
Speaker 3: don't let him drive. And Adam's like, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 3: I didn't tell him anything about the wijaboord. I just
Speaker 3: said I had a premonition and I decided to act
Speaker 3: on it rather than not. He's like, all right, man,
Speaker 3: well kind of scaring me. Hung up the phone. Thirty
Speaker 3: five minutes or so later, Sam calls me and he's like,
Speaker 3: what the hell was that all about? He scared the
Speaker 3: shit out of Adam. How did you know? I was
Speaker 3: at lax And how did you know I'm a little drunk.
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything about the WIJA word. I just said, oh,
Speaker 3: I just had this thing come over me, and I
Speaker 3: decided it's better to act on it than to dismiss it.
Speaker 3: And then suddenly you're in an accident or something. He
Speaker 3: didn't really believe me, but he's like, okay, whatever you say.
Speaker 3: We hung up the phone back to Carlene's room, fingers
Speaker 3: back on the board. I'm like, okay, you have my attention.
Speaker 3: So I said, do you have any other messages or
Speaker 3: any other way you can prove that we're talking to
Speaker 3: He said, yes, turn on the TV to channel thirty six,
Speaker 3: which is a weird channel because the number thirty six
Speaker 3: since I was very young has been my favorite number.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of different reasons for it. It was
Speaker 3: one of my favorite baseball players numbers. I made a
Speaker 3: go kart with my dad. He put a number on
Speaker 3: the go kart and it was the number thirty six.
Speaker 3: The number thirty six just kind of popped up in
Speaker 3: my life quite a bit, so I thought that was
Speaker 3: interesting that he shows that channel. We turned on the TV.
Speaker 3: We turn on channel thirty six. Robin Williams is on
Speaker 3: TV in the snow with two kids. We sat there
Speaker 3: for a minute just kind of watching. I'm like, what's
Speaker 3: going on? And when I asked that, Robin Williams said,
Speaker 3: Don Donald Donald, get out of the snow or something
Speaker 3: along those lines. But he said the name Donald three times,
Speaker 3: trying to get the kid to get up. Sure that
Speaker 3: could be coincidence, but the timing is kind of insane.
Speaker 3: I was living with my parents at the time. I
Speaker 3: go back to my parents' place after all this happened
Speaker 3: with Carlene. I told them everything that happened and that
Speaker 3: we had contacted my dad's dad Don. They were pretty
Speaker 3: blown away by it, but they didn't necessarily believe me.
Speaker 3: They needed proof, like I'll have Carlene come over and
Speaker 3: you guys can ask questions and we'll try to like
Speaker 3: prove that we're actually talking to my grandfather. The next day,
Speaker 3: Carlene and I are both sitting on the floor. My
Speaker 3: parents were like huddled on the couch. Carlene and I
Speaker 3: put her finger on the planchet, and the first thing
Speaker 3: I ask is Dawn, are you here? He answered very
Speaker 3: very quickly, yes. We asked a couple just random questions,
Speaker 3: and my parents are just talking amongst themselves. Finally they
Speaker 3: come up with a question that they think is going
Speaker 3: to be like the deal breaking question. My dad asked,
Speaker 3: how did you die? My grandfather was a smoker, and
Speaker 3: I was told that he died from emphysema, so that's
Speaker 3: how I thought. He passed. The planchet starts responding to
Speaker 3: my parents' question. It pretty quickly spelled out v E
Speaker 3: I N a little bit of a pause, and then
Speaker 3: it spelled out I N another little pause, h EA
Speaker 3: d vein in the head. I looked at Harlene and
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not right, That's not how we died.
Speaker 3: My parents like, wait, what did he say? And I
Speaker 3: said it spelled out vein in head. The energy of
Speaker 3: the room totally shifted. My parents went pale white and
Speaker 3: flipped out and they're like, holy shit, you don't even
Speaker 3: know that, Like, how is that possible? And they're like,
Speaker 3: we believe he had emphysema, but the doctor told him
Speaker 3: that he had a vein in his head, and if
Speaker 3: it were to ever rupture, he would pass very peacefully
Speaker 3: but instantaneously. My dad then told me that when he died,
Speaker 3: they found him sitting up with a newspaper still in
Speaker 3: his hand, and it looked very peaceful, so they believe
Speaker 3: it really was a vein in head. I had never
Speaker 3: heard that before until this happened, so that was all
Speaker 3: news to me. About a year or two later, my
Speaker 3: bands played a show at the House of Blues in Chicago.
Speaker 3: After the show, we went outside into this patio area
Speaker 3: and there's a bunch of people crowded around who were
Speaker 3: like sending autographs and taking pictures and talking to people,
Speaker 3: And there's this one girl in the very very back
Speaker 3: and she's just looking at me with like this knowing
Speaker 3: look on her face. I'd never seen this girl before,
Speaker 3: just this knowing look, not flirty, nothing like that at all.
Speaker 3: I couldn't help but like feel her gaze on me
Speaker 3: the entire time. It kind of scared me. Finally I
Speaker 3: get to her. Her name is Chavn. She looks at
Speaker 3: me dead in my eyes and she's like, have you
Speaker 3: ever used a WIGI word before? What the fuck? What
Speaker 3: a weird thing to ask. I'm like, yeah, I've used
Speaker 3: the weedy word before, but I just said that I
Speaker 3: had some crazy experiences.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 3: I didn't tell her any of the stories. She's like, well,
Speaker 3: I use all the time. I've had a lot of
Speaker 3: crazy stories. I would love to get your email, and
Speaker 3: next time I have a crazy story, I will email
Speaker 3: it to you. You don't have to even respond, but
Speaker 3: I just feel like you will appreciate it. And she's like,
Speaker 3: do you believe in the psychics. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm open to it, but I wouldn't say that I
Speaker 3: believe in them, but I'm open to you proving yourself.
Speaker 3: When I got home from tour, I checked my email
Speaker 3: and there was a message from Chavon and the message
Speaker 3: mentioned Don. So my first reaction was just like, holy shit, Don.
Speaker 3: And then she's like, I don't know who this is,
Speaker 3: but I feel compelled to tell you he contacted me
Speaker 3: and his message is say hi to the boy, and
Speaker 3: that was it. Calling me the boy would definitely be
Speaker 3: something that my grandfather would have said, but that's kind
Speaker 3: of a long shot. So I'm like, Okay, maybe this
Speaker 3: isn't connected to me, and I wrote to her and
Speaker 3: just said that's very interesting. If anything else happens, let
Speaker 3: me know. The next day, she emailed me again and said,
Speaker 3: do you have two sisters? Because I contacted Don again
Speaker 3: and he says, say hi to Stacy and Laurie. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't have two sisters. But my sister's name is Stacy.
Speaker 3: My mom's name is Laurie. So that was interesting, and
Speaker 3: it's not like this information would have been on a
Speaker 3: website for you to go and check. The third day
Speaker 3: in a row, she wrote to me, and this is
Speaker 3: what really got to me. She said, I have another
Speaker 3: message for you from Don. Tell Harv I say hello.
Speaker 3: First of all, my dad's name was Harvey, and my
Speaker 3: grandfather only ever called him Harve. He never called him
Speaker 3: Harvey ever. So he said, tell Harve, I say hello.
Speaker 3: And then I told my parents all that. I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's happening again, you guys, this is crazy. Finally I
Speaker 3: responded to her and I'm like, Okay, I've got to
Speaker 3: tell you, Dawn, I think is my grandfather because everything
Speaker 3: you've been saying is relating to my grandfather and my family.
Speaker 3: And I said, I don't know why he would contact
Speaker 3: you of all people. It's really weird, but I'm enjoying this. Like,
Speaker 3: if you have any other messages ever, please you know,
Speaker 3: email me and let me know. And then this all
Speaker 3: like kind of makes me tear up every time. It's
Speaker 3: all this but uh, she wrote again. She said, I
Speaker 3: don't think this has anything to do with you, But
Speaker 3: does Robin Williams have any significance to you? Shot me up?
Speaker 3: Then this information was not out there, like zero percent possibility.
Speaker 3: Probably three weeks or so later, I had a lucid
Speaker 3: dream where I was at my elementary school, which was
Speaker 3: like a happy place for me. I loved like hanging
Speaker 3: with my friends and doing all that. It was just
Speaker 3: a very happy time. And in my lucid dream, my
Speaker 3: grandfather was standing by the locker and there was no
Speaker 3: one else there. It was empty, and I'm like, he's dead.
Speaker 3: What is going on? And so I just walked up
Speaker 3: to him and I'm like, Grandpa, aren't you dead. He's
Speaker 3: like yep. I'm like okay, eh, well what is going on?
Speaker 3: And he just gave me a big bear hug. He
Speaker 3: also kissed me on the cheek the way that he
Speaker 3: used to do it. He would give me a very
Speaker 3: wet kiss, and he would always smell a cigarettes and
Speaker 3: I got all of that when he gave me this
Speaker 3: big hug. And I told that to my parents. They
Speaker 3: were like, all right, he contacted you. That's it. You've
Speaker 3: had your chance to kind of say bye to him,
Speaker 3: and that's it. After that happened. I don't have any
Speaker 3: whigi board experiences. I don't have dreams about him, but
Speaker 3: it was one of those things that just resonated with
Speaker 3: me still to this day.
Speaker 1: All Right, I guess I was wrong, Dylan. It's Derens
Speaker 1: got the toothpaste back in the tube after all. But
Speaker 1: this is the exception, not the rule. Most ghosts are
Speaker 1: like my stepdad Jared, weird vibes and impossible to get
Speaker 1: rid of, despite two separate pis and a lot of
Speaker 1: dirty laundry involving a vending machine scheme in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: Well that's our show. But before we go, Damien's story
Speaker 1: got me thinking, darn, don't wait for a random clairvoyant
Speaker 1: groupie to deliver your messages for you. If you have
Speaker 1: something to say to someone, say it, Len, I know
Speaker 1: I give you a hard time. And while this nomination
Speaker 1: feels mostly like a cosmic slight at me. I think
Speaker 1: you do a really good job. I'm glad you're on
Speaker 1: the team.
Speaker 2: By there, you're kind of a bitch when Dorry.
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