WEBVTT - S1: EP 32 — "The Ouija Board Knew Something I Didn’t." 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.919 Guys, you're not gonna believe this. Len forgot to hit record, 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.560 which is actually insane because it's like his one. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.240 Job, I joggle a lot of repossibilities. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.640 We've gotten through two thirds of the episode and now 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.960 we have to do it all again. So taking it 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.839 from the top, let's see if I can even remember. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:36.080 What I said. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:37.559 I think you can do it. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.279 Just because it's the same every time doesn't mean it's effortless. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.519 Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Haunting. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.600 I'm your ghost host with the most Theresa, and I'm 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:54.440 joined in studio by my familiar Merlin and our useless 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:59.080 producer liability really Len, Today, we've got quite an unsettling 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.560 story for you from our friend Darren. Oh, it's just 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.560 the male the interruptions today, it's like people forget we're 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.960 making art here, Just roll the tape. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.640 I don't know what I believe. I'm not a religious 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.960 person at all, but I do consider myself very open. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.760 The only way that I could explain it is that 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:27.400 it's like the first love thermodynamics, energy is neither created 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.399 nor destroyed. Our consciousness is energy, so maybe when we 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.160 die that energy continues on or changes into something else. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.240 My name is Darren. I'm a touring musician in a 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.760 band called Phantom Planet, and I'm pretty sure I spoke 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.600 to my grandfather through Luigi Burg multiple times after he 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:52.480 passed away. I was in eighth grade and I met 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.640 this kid in one of my classes named Corey. He 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.840 and I became good friends pretty quickly. I would go 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.480 to this place all the time. Six months later, he 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:07.559 invited me to his house for his birthday. His house 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.400 was pretty small. There was like a main living room, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.079 dining room, kitchen, two bedrooms where were hanging out goofing 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.119 around as we would normally do. Eventually, we went into 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.720 his game room and on the highest shelf he had 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.120 a Wiji board. He mentioned that the Wiji board was 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.440 his grandmothers who had died in that room, and it 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.040 was more of like an antique, so that added to 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.440 the mystique. We took it down and took it into 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.799 the dining room and set it on the table. Corey 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.440 and I both had our fingers on the pointer or 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.120 plant chet. I look at Corey, I'm like, don't fuck 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.560 with me because he's frankster and I knew that going 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.360 into it. He's like, I swear I'm not going to. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.560 I decided that I would ask the questions because when 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.760 I was a kid, I had tried your word before, 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.760 but nothing really happened. I felt comfortable sort of like 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.640 asking questions. The first thing I asked, is anybody there? 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:16.240 There was maybe ten fifteen seconds of waiting, and it 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:21.960 just started answering. It spelled out Sue. Corey looked at 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.960 me and said, that's my grandmother. Her name was Sue. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.800 And then I said, do you have messages for us? 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.120 It spelled out I love you. Corey looked at me 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.200 and said she was saying I love you as she 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:42.000 was dying. I thought Corey was messing with me. I 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.600 looked at him, like, come on, man, I don't believe you. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.400 We ended up talking a little bit, just you know, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:56.480 asking basic questions. Eventually I said, are you in heaven? 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:04.400 She said yes? I said are you happy there? And 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.240 she said no. Corey and I kind of looked at 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.360 each other and I'm like, that's kind of weird. And 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.680 then she ended up spelling out that she missed her family. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.440 And then I said, what is it like in heaven? 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.359 Can you prove you're there? Is there something physical you 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.800 can do? She spelled out going into Corey's room in 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.320 five minutes, which I thought was weird. I looked at Kory, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.520 I'm like, come on, man, you have to be messing 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.080 with me, because I can't imagine if we're actually talking 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.520 to a spirit here, that she's going to have a 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.440 concept of like our time. That just doesn't sound right 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.880 to me. I still think Corey's fuck with me, but 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.039 I can see on his face he's starting to become 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:51.279 a little apprehensive. He's a little confused. The two of 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.800 us get up, We're just like, fuck it, let's do this, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.000 and he opens the door. When we entered Corey's room, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.159 we noticed that there was a mist in the room. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.200 It was hard to see through it. It was almost 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:11.839 like smoke. It was just this thick fog in the room, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.240 no shape at all. It wasn't like a ghostly figure. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.960 Then we also noticed that it was very, very cold 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.920 in the room. Like I made all the hairs on 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:27.120 my arm stand up. The thermometer said sixty degrees. It 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.599 was July. There wasn't an air conditioner in there, and 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.320 it was hot outside it like the hottest point of summer. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.080 The rest of the house was definitely over ninety degrees, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.720 so it was like a thirty degree difference. Corey and 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.080 I just look at each other in disbelief at what 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.559 was going on. So we started screaming. As mom runs 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.960 in the room. She looks and she's like, have you 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.120 guys been lighting off fireworks in here? And Corey used 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.480 to make fireworks, which is super dangerous. When we'd light 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.160 them off, there was a lot of smoke, so we 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.960 lit one off in the house. She was really pissed 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.160 off at us. We had to calm her down. We're like, no, no, no. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.960 We had been using the Ouija board. We were talking, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.919 apparently to her mom. He died in the house. I 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.080 asked her what heaven was like now the room is 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:21.600 cold with this weird mist in it. She didn't really 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.320 believe us, but she calmed down. She was like, all right, 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.960 show me what's going on here. We moved the board 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.760 into the living room and she sat down at the 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.039 wag board with us. Corey's on one side of the 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.559 couch and I'm on the other, and then his mom 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.039 is sitting across the coffee table on the other side. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.599 We got back in touch with Sue, Corey's mom. She 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.160 was asking questions just to see if we would get 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.599 the answers right, and it was like you were on 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.520 the phone. She was actually spelling up paragraphs to us. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.320 So eventually I'm just like, all right, well, are you 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:03.240 here because it's Corey's birthday and the points are moved 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:09.800 and highlighted. Yes, like are there other relatives? There is 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.640 there someone else we could speak with? Yes, And then 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.680 there was a pause. Ten or fifteen seconds passed, and 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:21.920 then the planchette started moving more radically this time, like 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.520 a different personality was coming through. I'm looking at Corey like, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.080 if you were making this up, you should win an award. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.760 Like it was amazing the way that everything changed. The 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.320 first thing it says is high, and then it spelled 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.600 out high you sons of bitches. I started laughing, got 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.440 kind of nervous, and his mom looks at us. She's like, well, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.440 what did it spell out? I said it said hi, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.240 you sons of bitches, And she started laughing. She's like, 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.160 wait a second, ask what his name is. We didn't 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.080 even have to ask it. It responded to her voice 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.840 with our fingers on the board, and it spelled out Jerry. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.520 She's like, that's uncle. He passed away when Corey was 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.840 still a kid. She's like that was his personality. He 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.320 called people sons of bitches or be like, hey, assholes, 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.720 how you guys do it? I was always obsessed with 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.880 ghosts and all that stuff, but I never saw anything. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:20.120 And then this was just like my moment of holy shit, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:21.200 there's something to this. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.320 Oh man, you sick little freaks can't keep your fingers 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.880 off a Wiji board. I'm not complaining, you guys know, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.640 I love to gab. It's just funny when the thing 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.880 you use to do a thing does the thing you 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.840 use the thing to do, and you're like utterly shocked. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.559 Never mind, I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.960 because once you on lisha Wiji board, that toothpaste is 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.480 not going back in the tube. It's like the time 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.719 I lead to Facebook photo of my algebra teacher as 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.120 her for sona and everyone called her pemdas poodle for 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.320 an entire semester. To be clear, no shades of the 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.680 furry community. It's just her backtuffs were completely the uneven. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.240 Oh though, whatever, Darren will prove this point for me. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:04.840 Just wait. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:07.840 Oh, by the way, did anything good come in the 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.840 mail today, Len, I'm expecting a pr kid from Miss 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.520 Rigor Mortis. They do a mortuary, great foundation. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:14.760 I've been wanting to try. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:21.400 Amazy junk gunk junk. Oh, something from the Dandies. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.600 Did you just say the Damndies? The damn Dies are 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.880 the Ambies for the damned duh, and the Andes are 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:33.160 the Oscars of podcasts. To give me that dear Haunting team. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.720 Each year, the Damndes recognizes excellence in Purgatory's audible space, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:42.000 celebrating outstanding storytelling and its profound impact on the living 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.240 and limbo communities. On behalf of the Academy, Haunting has 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.079 been officially nominated for a Damndy Award, Oh my God, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:55.360 in the Producing category. We would like to invite the 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.200 nominee Len to attend this event and celebrate his outstanding 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:05.040 contributions to craft of audible storytelling. Fellow nominees include Love 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.440 in Between six Feet, Blunder, Hans, You Should Know, and 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:15.319 The Joe Rogan Experience. Congratulations, you know what? Gosh, I 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.600 think it's time for an ad break. We'll be right back. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:28.480 Why does he get all the ad He doesn't do anything? Wow? 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:39.040 I deserve a lot, we're back. You didn't throw to ads. Seriously, Len, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.000 you're actually so bad at this. I can't believe any organization, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.439 living or dead, thinks you are deserving of recognition. When 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:58.040 I'm out here busting my ass and we're back, I'm 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.520 assuming Len's in the driver's seat. I'm but an unwitting 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.800 passenger on this endless red eye through this supernatural abyss. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.400 Guess it doesn't really matter what I say. It's not 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:12.600 like anyone's listening. Lenn. Don't don't try to cheer me 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.560 up right now. You wouldn't understand what this feels like 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.440 to be constantly overlooked, overshadowed, your work, only acknowledged when 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.800 you make a mistake. No appreciation, no respect. That's the 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:29.040 cross eye Bear. I walk a lonely road, Len, It's 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.600 the only one I've ever known. I don't know where 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.160 it goes, but guess what it's home to me. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.839 Really, I'm grieving. 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.760 Ah, let's just get back to Darryl Darren. That's what 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:43.199 I said. 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.720 Ten years later, I was twenty three, twenty four years old. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.360 I had a friend named Carlen who was kind of 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.320 like an EmPATH, and she was very open to that 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.400 kind of stuff, and we both had used Weedu words before, 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.199 so we decided that it would be a cool idea 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.280 for us to both try it because we both had 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:08.600 these experiences with them. Also, I trusted her implicitly. I 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.400 knew that she was going to mess with me. I 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.559 went to Carlene's mom's place, thirty miles north of Los Angeles. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.719 She's like, all right, I have a wager word in 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:23.800 my room. Let's go upstairs and get it out. We 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.520 set the board on the floor in front of the TV, 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.400 the board between us. We kind of set candles all around, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.400 just trying to create a mood. We get the whole 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.320 thing set up, put our fingers on the plane chat. 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.319 My first instinct was to contact my grandfather, whose name 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.040 was don Or Donald, because he had passed away about 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.360 three years prior. When he was alive, he and I 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.760 used to talk about paranormal things, so I figured he 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.960 would be the one to come through if anybody. He 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.600 used to always tell me whenever I would ask about 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.880 the Wiju board, He's like, Oh, they're real, don't ever 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.440 use that. I think I just said, Dawn, are you here? 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.800 It is very fast. It just moved over to yes, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.480 I said, I want you to prove that we're talking 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.040 to you. Can you give us a message? The first 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:29.680 thing he said was a Sam Lax drunk. So my 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.440 first instinct was Sam, the bass player in my band. 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.000 So Sam is at the airport and he's drunk. I'm like, okay, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:42.760 is he okay? It said, don't let him drive? I 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.679 didn't know he was away. I tricked up the phone, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:49.400 tried calling him, couldn't reach him. At the time, Sam 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.920 was living with Adam Lavigne now of Moroon five. But 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.760 this is pre ruined. Five days when I couldn't reach Sam, 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.679 I called at him, like they live together, so maybe 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.840 he's with them, he answered, And I was kind of 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.120 manic because I really wanted to make sure he was okay. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.560 And I said, are you with Sam? He's like no, 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.880 I'm going to the airport and picking him up. I'm like, cool, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.520 don't let him drive. And Adam's like, what's going on? Man? 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.760 I didn't tell him anything about the wijaboord. I just 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.360 said I had a premonition and I decided to act 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.840 on it rather than not. He's like, all right, man, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:29.440 well kind of scaring me. Hung up the phone. Thirty 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.960 five minutes or so later, Sam calls me and he's like, 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.040 what the hell was that all about? He scared the 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.200 shit out of Adam. How did you know? I was 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.400 at lax And how did you know I'm a little drunk. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.920 I didn't say anything about the WIJA word. I just said, oh, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.920 I just had this thing come over me, and I 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.120 decided it's better to act on it than to dismiss it. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.640 And then suddenly you're in an accident or something. He 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:59.840 didn't really believe me, but he's like, okay, whatever you say. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.360 We hung up the phone back to Carlene's room, fingers 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.200 back on the board. I'm like, okay, you have my attention. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.800 So I said, do you have any other messages or 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.800 any other way you can prove that we're talking to 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:19.760 He said, yes, turn on the TV to channel thirty six, 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.000 which is a weird channel because the number thirty six 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.240 since I was very young has been my favorite number. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.320 There's a bunch of different reasons for it. It was 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.320 one of my favorite baseball players numbers. I made a 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.880 go kart with my dad. He put a number on 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.000 the go kart and it was the number thirty six. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.040 The number thirty six just kind of popped up in 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.600 my life quite a bit, so I thought that was 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:52.040 interesting that he shows that channel. We turned on the TV. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.920 We turn on channel thirty six. Robin Williams is on 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.520 TV in the snow with two kids. We sat there 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.600 for a minute just kind of watching. I'm like, what's 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.720 going on? And when I asked that, Robin Williams said, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:09.960 Don Donald Donald, get out of the snow or something 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.320 along those lines. But he said the name Donald three times, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:18.120 trying to get the kid to get up. Sure that 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.720 could be coincidence, but the timing is kind of insane. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.120 I was living with my parents at the time. I 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.720 go back to my parents' place after all this happened 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.480 with Carlene. I told them everything that happened and that 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.440 we had contacted my dad's dad Don. They were pretty 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.120 blown away by it, but they didn't necessarily believe me. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.360 They needed proof, like I'll have Carlene come over and 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.960 you guys can ask questions and we'll try to like 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:51.600 prove that we're actually talking to my grandfather. The next day, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.600 Carlene and I are both sitting on the floor. My 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.320 parents were like huddled on the couch. Carlene and I 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.520 put her finger on the planchet, and the first thing 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.480 I ask is Dawn, are you here? He answered very 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.760 very quickly, yes. We asked a couple just random questions, 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:15.040 and my parents are just talking amongst themselves. Finally they 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.720 come up with a question that they think is going 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.920 to be like the deal breaking question. My dad asked, 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:25.560 how did you die? My grandfather was a smoker, and 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.800 I was told that he died from emphysema, so that's 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:33.719 how I thought. He passed. The planchet starts responding to 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:38.760 my parents' question. It pretty quickly spelled out v E 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:44.840 I N a little bit of a pause, and then 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:50.200 it spelled out I N another little pause, h EA 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:55.040 d vein in the head. I looked at Harlene and 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.000 I'm like, that's not right, That's not how we died. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.080 My parents like, wait, what did he say? And I 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.560 said it spelled out vein in head. The energy of 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.800 the room totally shifted. My parents went pale white and 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.520 flipped out and they're like, holy shit, you don't even 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.080 know that, Like, how is that possible? And they're like, 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.480 we believe he had emphysema, but the doctor told him 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.840 that he had a vein in his head, and if 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.119 it were to ever rupture, he would pass very peacefully 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:29.240 but instantaneously. My dad then told me that when he died, 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:31.879 they found him sitting up with a newspaper still in 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.520 his hand, and it looked very peaceful, so they believe 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.200 it really was a vein in head. I had never 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.120 heard that before until this happened, so that was all 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:48.080 news to me. About a year or two later, my 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.800 bands played a show at the House of Blues in Chicago. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:59.520 After the show, we went outside into this patio area 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.199 and there's a bunch of people crowded around who were 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.800 like sending autographs and taking pictures and talking to people, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.640 And there's this one girl in the very very back 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.919 and she's just looking at me with like this knowing 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:18.679 look on her face. I'd never seen this girl before, 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:23.280 just this knowing look, not flirty, nothing like that at all. 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.760 I couldn't help but like feel her gaze on me 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:33.000 the entire time. It kind of scared me. Finally I 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.480 get to her. Her name is Chavn. She looks at 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.639 me dead in my eyes and she's like, have you 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:45.000 ever used a WIGI word before? What the fuck? What 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.439 a weird thing to ask. I'm like, yeah, I've used 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.359 the weedy word before, but I just said that I 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:52.760 had some crazy experiences. 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:53.320 That was it. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.800 I didn't tell her any of the stories. She's like, well, 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.080 I use all the time. I've had a lot of 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.399 crazy stories. I would love to get your email, and 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.679 next time I have a crazy story, I will email 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.639 it to you. You don't have to even respond, but 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.159 I just feel like you will appreciate it. And she's like, 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.040 do you believe in the psychics. I'm like, you know, 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:19.760 I'm open to it, but I wouldn't say that I 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.280 believe in them, but I'm open to you proving yourself. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.720 When I got home from tour, I checked my email 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.840 and there was a message from Chavon and the message 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:38.320 mentioned Don. So my first reaction was just like, holy shit, Don. 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.400 And then she's like, I don't know who this is, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.199 but I feel compelled to tell you he contacted me 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.680 and his message is say hi to the boy, and 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:54.760 that was it. Calling me the boy would definitely be 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.800 something that my grandfather would have said, but that's kind 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.159 of a long shot. So I'm like, Okay, maybe this 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.919 isn't connected to me, and I wrote to her and 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.120 just said that's very interesting. If anything else happens, let 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:11.399 me know. The next day, she emailed me again and said, 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.480 do you have two sisters? Because I contacted Don again 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.760 and he says, say hi to Stacy and Laurie. I'm like, no, 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.840 I don't have two sisters. But my sister's name is Stacy. 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.520 My mom's name is Laurie. So that was interesting, and 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.399 it's not like this information would have been on a 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.919 website for you to go and check. The third day 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.239 in a row, she wrote to me, and this is 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.760 what really got to me. She said, I have another 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:42.200 message for you from Don. Tell Harv I say hello. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.359 First of all, my dad's name was Harvey, and my 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.920 grandfather only ever called him Harve. He never called him 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:55.320 Harvey ever. So he said, tell Harve, I say hello. 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.000 And then I told my parents all that. I'm like, 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.320 it's happening again, you guys, this is crazy. Finally I 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:04.760 responded to her and I'm like, Okay, I've got to 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:09.600 tell you, Dawn, I think is my grandfather because everything 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.600 you've been saying is relating to my grandfather and my family. 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.680 And I said, I don't know why he would contact 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.879 you of all people. It's really weird, but I'm enjoying this. Like, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.320 if you have any other messages ever, please you know, 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.960 email me and let me know. And then this all 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:31.600 like kind of makes me tear up every time. It's 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:36.560 all this but uh, she wrote again. She said, I 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:40.080 don't think this has anything to do with you, But 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:44.280 does Robin Williams have any significance to you? Shot me up? 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:53.679 Then this information was not out there, like zero percent possibility. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.240 Probably three weeks or so later, I had a lucid 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:03.080 dream where I was at my elementary school, which was 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.680 like a happy place for me. I loved like hanging 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.320 with my friends and doing all that. It was just 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:12.040 a very happy time. And in my lucid dream, my 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.760 grandfather was standing by the locker and there was no 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.960 one else there. It was empty, and I'm like, he's dead. 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.359 What is going on? And so I just walked up 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.320 to him and I'm like, Grandpa, aren't you dead. He's 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:31.639 like yep. I'm like okay, eh, well what is going on? 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.320 And he just gave me a big bear hug. He 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.359 also kissed me on the cheek the way that he 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.600 used to do it. He would give me a very 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:43.520 wet kiss, and he would always smell a cigarettes and 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.679 I got all of that when he gave me this 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.199 big hug. And I told that to my parents. They 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.920 were like, all right, he contacted you. That's it. You've 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.000 had your chance to kind of say bye to him, 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:58.560 and that's it. After that happened. I don't have any 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.800 whigi board experiences. I don't have dreams about him, but 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.720 it was one of those things that just resonated with 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:10.959 me still to this day. 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.159 All Right, I guess I was wrong, Dylan. It's Derens 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:17.879 got the toothpaste back in the tube after all. But 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.160 this is the exception, not the rule. Most ghosts are 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.439 like my stepdad Jared, weird vibes and impossible to get 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.960 rid of, despite two separate pis and a lot of 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.000 dirty laundry involving a vending machine scheme in New Mexico. 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:40.600 Well that's our show. But before we go, Damien's story 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:46.280 got me thinking, darn, don't wait for a random clairvoyant 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.840 groupie to deliver your messages for you. If you have 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.679 something to say to someone, say it, Len, I know 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.400 I give you a hard time. And while this nomination 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.400 feels mostly like a cosmic slight at me. I think 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.440 you do a really good job. I'm glad you're on 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:03.480 the team. 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:10.960 By there, you're kind of a bitch when Dorry. 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.800 If you have a Haunting story to share, email us 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.520 at Haunting the Podcast at gmail dot com and if 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.879 you like what you hear, please like and subscribe. You 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.159 can also follow us on social media by searching for 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:30.200 Glass Podcasts or by visiting glasspodcast dot com. Haunting is 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.879