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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert lamp and I'm Julie Douglas. In

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Speaker 1: today's episode, we would like you to take you to

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Speaker 1: a slumber party. All right, So go back to your roots,

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Speaker 1: go back to your your childhood memories if you have them,

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Speaker 1: of a slumber party, you know, dressing your long pajamas,

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Speaker 1: huddle around the floor and and start thinking long and

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Speaker 1: hard about the occult in the supernatural world and who

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Speaker 1: you are going to pick to put their hand in

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Speaker 1: a bowl of water when they fall asleep. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that old trick. I have heard that one. Or there's

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Speaker 1: the putting the food cream in the hand or the

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Speaker 1: shaving cream in the hand, and then tickle the nose

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Speaker 1: and then and then want wont even cream on the head?

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Speaker 1: The the amusing thing. When we were talking about this

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Speaker 1: episode and getting things together for you have some legitimate

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Speaker 1: slumber party memories and some anecdotes about horsing grounds with

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. But I don't think I

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Speaker 1: ever did any of this stuff. I can only think

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Speaker 1: of a like a few like a handful of slumber

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Speaker 1: party type things that I went to. And I don't

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Speaker 1: even think we call it. You call them slumber parties

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Speaker 1: necessarily if it's little boys, I feel like they were

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Speaker 1: just like sleepovers or something. And and I think we

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Speaker 1: just basically played a lot of video games. And I

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Speaker 1: remember once, uh, the kid whose house it was, he

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Speaker 1: was grounded because he ran through the house naked, and

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Speaker 1: like that was the extent of the excitement. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get off on a tangent already

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Speaker 1: before we've started the podcast, because obviously we're gonna cover

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Speaker 1: some of these slumber party hijinks of our youth and

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Speaker 1: talk about the science behind them of what seemed like

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Speaker 1: it could be possible or not possible. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to point that out, the gender difference. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: the obsession with the occult has something to do with UM. Well,

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Speaker 1: not I'm not saying all kids girls are witches the

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Speaker 1: inherent evil of of the male set exactly, That's what

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Speaker 1: I meant to say. But I wonder if that has

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Speaker 1: some sort of root in um interest in this, because

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Speaker 1: there was a sort of, if you look at it,

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Speaker 1: at least historically, a power in invocating things and looking

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Speaker 1: towards the dark arts well for power as opposed to

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Speaker 1: actually having a lot of power in your life, and

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking's sixteen hundred years. Yeah. Well, one thing that

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Speaker 1: definitely comes to mind is that a lot of these

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Speaker 1: games kind of remind us of ice breakers, and they

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Speaker 1: are they're they're forcing people to interact with each other.

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Speaker 1: It's more of a communal, open experience, and by and large,

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Speaker 1: it seems like females are often more inclined to that

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Speaker 1: than the males when they're in their individual groups. For instance,

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Speaker 1: when I think of j Ju Saana, which is here

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Speaker 1: people go to, and it's really cool, but they divide

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Speaker 1: men sauna and the women sauna, and so I only

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Speaker 1: know what goes on in the men sana obviously, so

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Speaker 1: I'll my wife it's like, well, what's it like in

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Speaker 1: the in the women's son and it's like, well, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of talking. There's a lot of women within

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Speaker 1: their own group talking without each other, and then you

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Speaker 1: of the sauna, whereas on the men's side, it's completely different.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a bunch of naked dudes staring at

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Speaker 1: talking going on. And granted that's a little different than

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Speaker 1: a childhood slumber party. But but but I can see where.

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Speaker 1: I mean, guys are just gonna they're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: Stiff as a board. Well, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: that next time you go that you should bring Auji

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Speaker 1: you can strike up some conversations. Yeah, yeah, maybe so,

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Speaker 1: maybe so. Yeah. Alright, so you have mentioned, uh, let

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Speaker 1: his feather stiff as board, which is something known as

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Speaker 1: party levitation. Yes, this was apparently made famous by the

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Speaker 1: with that film. Well, here's a setup. Okay, you've got

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Speaker 1: and then someone says, hey, let's let's hearken back to

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Speaker 1: our Wiccan ancestors and and uh repeat a chant that

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Speaker 1: may give us the power, supernatural power, supernatural strength to

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Speaker 1: lift her. And so they chant four times, as though

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Speaker 1: And they chant light as a feather stiff as a board.

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Speaker 1: miraculously they levitate their friend. Well, they don't quite levitate her,

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Speaker 1: can certainly seem like an amazing levitation experience. And that's

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Speaker 1: of all, visualized experience. Never we've touched on this before,

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Speaker 1: what is happening, in your expectations about what will happen. Likewise,

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Speaker 1: maybe Louis here, the French Canadian guy. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a little much Louie. Thanks Loe, But yeah, go

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Speaker 1: which we've talked about it. We've talked about this. There's

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Speaker 1: which is something we saw with with walking on hot coals.

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Speaker 1: that informed the King of plots, treasons and invasions. There

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Speaker 1: which I think it's kind of a limited design there,

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Speaker 1: and then Vulcan's mirror showed the past, president future, and

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Speaker 1: of course Harry Potter there was a magic mirror, and

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Speaker 1: there it shows you Harry Potter's parents, I believe well,

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Speaker 1: and then wicked rituals too. Apparently, UM, young women who

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Speaker 1: are trying to figure out who their husband would be.

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Speaker 1: Again we're talking back in the old day, would take

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Speaker 1: a mirror and a candle, walk backwards, ask the mirror,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes it was thought that the mirror would reveal

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Speaker 1: who the husband, who their husband would be, or sometimes

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Speaker 1: it was bloody Mary, who would appear. Now have you

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Speaker 1: done this? Have you? I've not done blady for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: I just never never have done it. But I do

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting. Today's Um, you know, right after this,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go into your office bathroom and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do bloodyrror. I don't care who's in this stall.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting because again you've got

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Speaker 1: the incantation part of it, the ritual part of it.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about what's actually going on, because I

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Speaker 1: think that is really cool, right, because there's another example

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Speaker 1: of the fantasy. The fiction. The supernatural aspect of it

449
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Speaker 1: is interesting, but when you you strip that away and

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Speaker 1: you get down to the science, it's equally creepy and

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Speaker 1: weird and amazing because here's the thing. People do see

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Speaker 1: things in the mirror. But again, it points to this

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Speaker 1: idea that we can't always trust what we see and

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Speaker 1: what our eyes can put together. For us UM at

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Speaker 1: the University of Urbino, researcher Giovanni Baputo had fifty participants

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Speaker 1: look in the mirror for ten minutes in a dimly

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Speaker 1: lit room and describe what they saw. Now, none of

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Speaker 1: these people were knew what they were there for, so

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Speaker 1: they had no preconceived notions of bloody marry Um. Alright,

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Speaker 1: what they saw is fascinating. It is fascinating, And this

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Speaker 1: was published in the Journal of Perception. Two thirds of

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Speaker 1: participants saw said that they saw huge deformations of their

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Speaker 1: own face. Okay, nearly half of the participants even reported

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Speaker 1: seeing fantastical or monstrous beings. A few participants reported seeing

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Speaker 1: faces of parents, ancestors, and strangers, including women and children.

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Speaker 1: And all the participants saw someone or something in the

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Speaker 1: mirror other than themselves. Saw an archetype in the mirror.

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Speaker 1: They saw an old woman, or they saw a child,

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Speaker 1: or a portrait of an ancestor kind of a thing,

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Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, everyone's staring into this mirror, and

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Speaker 1: if you stare long enough, you see something else. You

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Speaker 1: see the face becomes something else. To you. And that's because,

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Speaker 1: according to computer you've got basic visual distortions affecting the

474
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Speaker 1: space specific interpretation system part of your brain. So when

475
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Speaker 1: your brain is faced with a lot of stimulation, only

476
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Speaker 1: some of it is considered relevant. So as it continues

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Speaker 1: to look and look and look at the reflection of

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Speaker 1: your face, then is trying to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: what's really important here? There are a lot of different details,

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Speaker 1: Like I find myself doing this when I look people,

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Speaker 1: when I actually look people in the eyes while they're talking,

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Speaker 1: like I'll start, you know, because there's sort of a

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Speaker 1: quick visual reference, like I'm looking around the room and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, there's Julie. There's not that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. But then if you really look at somebody,

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Speaker 1: then you start getting all this additional information, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's the shape of their nose, there's the shape of

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Speaker 1: their eyebrows. And then indeed, if you stare them long enough, um,

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Speaker 1: with a nice uncomfortable stare, then they start to look

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Speaker 1: a little weird, you know. Well, and this is called

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Speaker 1: the truck slur effect because your brain watch like zoom

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Speaker 1: in on an area and then the race the rest

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Speaker 1: of the space will actually fade away. And you've probably

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Speaker 1: seen examples of this before online. Usually it's like a

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Speaker 1: a ring of purple dots, and then you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: stare at the one dot that goes around around in

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Speaker 1: a circle. And then what happens is the purple fades

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Speaker 1: and then there's the yellow dot becomes more pronounced again.

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Speaker 1: It's your brain trying to figure out what's important, fading

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Speaker 1: in and fading out. Yeah, And also, I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of your brain just sort of chewing

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Speaker 1: on itself there too. If you stare at anything long enough,

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna eventually kind of unsee it and see

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Speaker 1: different things. I think if anytime you stared up into

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Speaker 1: the clouds, or if you've been in say a boring

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Speaker 1: meeting or something, and you just stare at a particular

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Speaker 1: detail in the room, you start noticing more and more

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Speaker 1: new things about it. You start in making new interpretations

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Speaker 1: about it, seeing a face where there's not a face,

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Speaker 1: seeing if you're looking at the sky, you know, singing

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Speaker 1: a dinosaur writing a tricycle where there's not a dinosaur

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Speaker 1: writing a tricycle. You know, I was thinking too, about

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you're actually doing this in

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Speaker 1: the mirror and the trucul effect is occurring that how

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Speaker 1: weird is it that a slice of your forehead and

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Speaker 1: cheek are then subed int for your eye, because that's

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Speaker 1: really what your brain is doing with that um So

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Speaker 1: of course you would come away with this idea that

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Speaker 1: there was something monstrous that you saw something in the

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Speaker 1: mirror and it had to do with something that was

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Speaker 1: paranormal or the dark arts. Yeah, and throw into that

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're using the candle in this particular environment,

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Speaker 1: then you also have a light source that is flickering.

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Speaker 1: That's so that's altering a little bit, and it's distorting

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Speaker 1: the edges the lines in the face that you're perceiving.

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Speaker 1: So changes in lighting are also going to contribute to

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Speaker 1: this strange image of yourself that quickly becomes something other

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Speaker 1: than yourself. Now, you're right, it is complicating the matter,

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Speaker 1: and especially when we talked about reduction in the last

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Speaker 1: podcast about the science of han at houses and how

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Speaker 1: your bring really has to sort of recalibrate according to

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Speaker 1: the lighting available. So of course that's going to distort

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Speaker 1: things further. And again mirrors are just kind of weird

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Speaker 1: and creepy. I can't help but think of this without

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Speaker 1: the reminded of some of the writings of your hey

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Speaker 1: los Borges, who of course, is a poet who was

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Speaker 1: fascinated by mazes and mirrors, and there's a great little

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Speaker 1: line from his poem Mirrors that says, I see them

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Speaker 1: as infinite elemental executors of an ancient pact to multiply

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Speaker 1: the world, like the act of the getting sleepless, bringing

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Speaker 1: doom the crystal spies on us. If within the four

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Speaker 1: walls of a bedroom a mirror stairs, I am no

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Speaker 1: longer alone. There is someone there in the dawn reflections

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Speaker 1: mutely stages show I like that. I like this idea

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Speaker 1: to you that you know, ultimately we we feel this

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Speaker 1: sense that we're unknowable to ourselves. And so if you're

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Speaker 1: staring in the mirror, that's representing this unknown quantity. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it ties in nicely with the Uiji board, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, reaching out and touching bass with the subconscious

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Speaker 1: and coming to terms with the hidden self. All right, psychologists,

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Speaker 1: we have another one for you, Bloody Mary. Try it

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Speaker 1: out in your practice, Yes, tell her, we think so

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Speaker 1: there you have its slumber party goers, some science behind

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Speaker 1: the slumber party anticks you used to try out, also

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Speaker 1: some new emma for your next slumber party. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's really gonna be great to hear from listeners on

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Speaker 1: this because I know you guys and gals have tried

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Speaker 1: these before, so be sure to let us know about

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Speaker 1: your own experiences levitating your friends, uh, your own experiences

561
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Speaker 1: trying to summon dark, bloody specters from the mirror, and

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Speaker 1: of course your communications with the with the spirit world

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Speaker 1: a k a. You're subconscious. We'd love to hear about that.

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Speaker 1: So let's call over the robot and we'll see if

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Speaker 1: we have any listener mail. Alright, our listener, Monique Rite

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Speaker 1: sentences Hi, Julie and Robert. In two separate podcasts, you

567
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Speaker 1: talked about that in neighborhoods that are bad, people were

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Speaker 1: more likely to walk past a person in need than

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Speaker 1: in a cleaner naighborhood. There is a criminal justice theory

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Speaker 1: similar to this phenomena. It's called the broken windows theory,

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Speaker 1: thought up by Wilson and Kelling. In essence, the theory

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Speaker 1: states that in neighborhoods that are unkempt, there is a

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Speaker 1: silent signal to wrongdoers that since people do not care

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Speaker 1: about the neighborhoods, they also won't care about committing petty crimes,

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Speaker 1: which is a silent signal for wrongdoers to commit more

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Speaker 1: serious crimes. There's an interesting experiment that was done surrounding

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Speaker 1: this by Dr Zimbardo of the Stanford Prison Experiment fame.

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Speaker 1: He left a car in a bad neighborhood with the

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Speaker 1: hood up, signaling that no one cared about it. It

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Speaker 1: took a few short days for the car to be dismantled.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again for your great podcast, Manique, very interesting, and

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Speaker 1: we also heard from Scott Scott right since says Julian,

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Speaker 1: Robert just wanted you to to know how much your

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Speaker 1: podcast helped me out during a really rough point in

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Speaker 1: my life. I have a panic disorder. Diagnosing it beyond

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Speaker 1: that is pretty difficult that I have been working on

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Speaker 1: for the past six years. Unfortunately, driving, especially on the highway,

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Speaker 1: was a pretty major trigger, and having a panic attack

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Speaker 1: while driving is pretty no buno. But there's the Spanish

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Speaker 1: no buono that's no business, no good, huh. At one point,

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Speaker 1: engaging my intention enough to keep my mind off of panicking.

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Speaker 1: That's where your podcast came in. I wasn't even sure

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Speaker 1: what a podcast actually was, being a bit of an

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Speaker 1: anti Apple guy myself, until there was a free podcast

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Speaker 1: app on Amazon's Android market. One day last year, I

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Speaker 1: found your podcast while browsing listenings in that app and

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Speaker 1: opened it up. Uh and opened up the new world

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Speaker 1: of being able to drive more or less without panicking.

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Speaker 1: I have since learned, after six years of having problems

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Speaker 1: functioning like a normal human, that my vitamin D level

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Speaker 1: was extremely low. I started taking supplements in January and

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Speaker 1: haven't had an attack since, which is pretty remarkable. I

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Speaker 1: think since then I have envisioned a podcast about anxiety,

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Speaker 1: panic attacks, and what happens in the body and mind.

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Speaker 1: From what I can tell, there is very little research

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Speaker 1: on the link between vitamin D levels and panic and

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Speaker 1: some individuals, but I'm cynical enough to believe that it

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Speaker 1: is because vitamin D can't be patented. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear what you guys find out about it. Once again,

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you both enough. You really made my

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Speaker 1: life a lot more bearable your fan, avid listener and

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Speaker 1: research intern hopeful Scott, So there you go. That's awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking those are two very good podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Panic Attacks would be very interesting to look into. And

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Speaker 1: also vitamins. Um, we talked about vitamin A and the

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Speaker 1: lack of vitamin A being attributed to night blindness, so um,

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Speaker 1: certainly when those levels are off it can affect things.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, Scott, glad that we were able to

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Speaker 1: help him some small way, and glad that you've been

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Speaker 1: able to really tackle that that problem. Indeed. Yeah, So, hey,

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